Is this the best fight in the series?

>>157402886
>Gohan fights on par with cell
>Cell fights with full power
>Gohan can't keep up
>Gohan fights with full power
>Cell can't keep up
>Cell explodes and comes back twice as strong
>Gohan can't keep up
>Z fighters finally do something right and swarm Cell all at once
>Cell dies

I think I prefer the earlier Dragonball fights where Goku was fighting tooth and nail to beat his opponents. Jackie Chun, Tien, and Piccolo for instance. Overwhelming differences in power don't make for good fights but they can still be compelling.

>>157402886
Wouldn't that be Majin Vegeta vs Goku?

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>>157402886
TFW Cell shits himself after Gohan is done powering up.

Dunno about the best fight, but the final destruction of cell is def one of the best sequences of anime period

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>>157402886
Nope

>>157403124
He didn't though. Unlike Goku and Cell there was basically no charge up time to his transformation.
Gohan released his power and relaxed in any instant. As a result Cell was convinced that he was still stronger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVJq_6_aP4

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Goku vs Cell was better

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It was dramatic and everything, but it was hardly a fight.

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>>157403259

>>157402886
That's actually one of the worst.

Goku Vs Tenshinhan
Goku Vs Piccolo Jr
Goku Vs Vegeta
Goku Vs Freeza

are the best fights.

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>>157403292

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This is the best fight

>>157403235
0.53 to 0.56

>>157403294
Goku vs Freeza was pretty stupid. Goku should have lost and there's no way around that.

He just pulled an incredible reserve of power out of fucking nowhere. He went from being nowhere even close to Frieza to completely eclipsing him in power by a massive margin.

>>157403268
Sometimes I forget how pretty Toriyama's art is.

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You know what fight no one ever mentions? Vegeta vs Zarbon round 2.

>>157403268
>Gohan vs giant anus

I love goku vs kid buu

>>157403412
It was still a good fight

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>>157402886
No, but it does have the best page in the whole manga.

>>157403259
Yeah it's a pretty cool fight until you realize that Cell was never taking it seriously and could have won at any time by just going full power and tearing his head off.

After that it just kind of loses all meaning. Goku vs Vegeta was much better.

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Vegeta vs Recoome is a ridiculously good fight

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In his(?) last waking moments he sees this 11 year old kid walking towards him as his body gets completely obliterated down to every last cell.

What kind of thoughts do you think are going through Cell's head at this time?

>>157403553
>loses all meaning
what are you talking about? The point of that fight was for Goku to give Gohan a preview of his fight. Goku himself says he cant beat Cell

>>157403655
>11 year old
stop with this meme funicuck

>>157403659
Allow me to offer an alternative perspective on this.

Gohan before SS2 could have easily beaten Cell if he had fought from the start. Instead Goku chose to beat the ever living shit out of Cell then hand him a senzu bean to fully recover. This drastically increased Cell's power and put him well above SSj1 Gohan.

So all Goku really did by fighting Cell first was flex his muscles and make Gohan's job significantly more difficult.

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Continuous Super Donuts is the most underrated attack in Dragon Ball

>>157403821
once Gohan got serious he whooped Cell's ass

he made his own fight difficult by trying to torture him

>>157403783
I'm sorry anon, but that's the truth. Gohan was younger in his fight with Cell than Goku was at the start of the series.

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Let's be honest, 16 vs Cell is better than Piccolo vs 17.

>>157403565
Yes, it was. As a whole, Namek was exciting as fuck to read.

>>157403931
no you dingus, in the manga and properly translated version of the show he's 9 at his oldest until the buu saga timeskip when he's 16
the funi dub made him 11 for some reason and it gives people an excuse for him sounding like a chain smoking teenager in the original dub when the voice they gave him in kai really was more appropriate and reminded you how much of a child he actually was the whole time
it also leads to dumb shit like calling cell saga gohan teen and buu saga gohan adult which just isn't right by any metric

>>157402886
Why this arc is so shit? Everything was going fine with future trunks and the androids and this overpowered plot device comes and ruins everything. Still better than buu arc though.

>>157403655
>I should have trained for four months and become golden

In my head DBZ ended here. It's just too fucking stupid after this, and even this arc had some really dumb parts. Goku dies, Gohan picks up the mantle, the end.

>>157403292
how much budget did dbz and db had?

Piccolo vs n17 is definitively worth a mention

>>157402886
no but it gave the best theme out of the series

>dat anger

>>157403423
>is
You mean was.

>>157404432
I liked it just fine. Definitely more than most of what happened at Namek.

>>157403828
Many of Gotenks' attacks are really cool and potentially useful. It's a shame that he's like the only character that actually thought about creative techniques.

>>157404357
Hold up let me check this out:

>4 years old when Raditz arrives in Part 2 of the manga (post-23rd Budokai fight/Goku vs Piccolo Jr finale)
>5 years old after the 1 year timeskip when Nappa and Vegeta arrives
>6 years old when Goku returns from Namek to stop Cyborg/Mecha Freeza and King Cold and learn about the Artificial Humans from Future Trunks
>9 years old after the three year timeskip training with Goku and Piccolo for the Artificial Humans arrival
>10 years old after 1 day in the RoSaT because 1 day = 1 year
So he was 10, not 9.

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>>157402886
This is it. I know the buu arc is probably the worst but this fight alone is up there.

>>157403442
>pocket sand

>>157405155
>kai censored out all the middle fingers
why can't there be one release of DBZ not fucked up in some way

Cell saga is shit and everyone who likes it is an underage dub fag who was in middle school when it aired on cartoon network.

Fuck off, dubfaggots.

>>157404432
I agree. Dragon ball kinda went downhill after Freeza. But there are many great fights during the androids/Cell and Buu saga as other anons are pointing so it's not that bad. Super on the other hand...

>>157405285
>everyone who likes the Cell saga is an amerilard
>getting so triggered by Chinese cartoons
lmao

>>157405372
>not geting triggered by chinese cartoons
>in /a/
What are you doing here?

>>157405285
t. Buu

>>157405372
if your only contribution to the argument is that then why post

>>157403268
I always liked this page, but is this really how a blast should look? Looks like a water ballon.

>>157402886
It was good, but it realy wasn't a fight anymore. Goku vs Cell was the best in terms of fighting.

>>157404004
I think is page missed a panel actually hitting him imo.

>>157403066
>>Cell explodes and comes back twice as strong
>Gohan can't keep up

Gohan was still stronger than Cell, it was Vegeta getting triggered that got Gohan injured and thus made him not being able to keep up.
He still won though, which proves that despite getting injured and his power level massively decreased, he was still stronger than Cell.

>Z fighters finally do something right and swarm Cell all at once

Anime only fag confirmed, the only one who helped was Vegeta in the manga.

>>157403553
>until you realize that Cell was never taking it seriously and could have won at any time by just going full power and tearing his head off.

except Cell assumed Goku was just warming up as well and Goku didn't fight at full strength either but could tell Cell was much stronger than him.

>It's a "animemers try to argue against manga masterrace" episode

What battle?

>>157406210

Are you retarded? Goku himself told Gohan he was fighting at his full power just after he surrendered.

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>>157406210
>Goku didn't fight at full strength either

You should really rewatch the whole show in any dub that's not the murritard one.

>>157403066
>Gohan can't keep up
Wrong. Even when his arm was damaged from shielding a knocked out Vegeta from being killed by Super Perfect Cell, Goku confirmed Gohan still had MORE power then Cell.

>>157406210
Cell fucking confirmed when he was fighting Gohan that he was still holding some power back even when going "all out" with Goku. Which Goku also knew to be true.

>>157403412
But wasn't the power of the Super Saiyan transformation foreshadowed many times throughout the Namek saga and Frieza saga, and associated with Goku in many of those instances?

>>157403553
Cell was fighting Goku for fun. There's a reason he did a whole silly tournament thing instead of just blowing up the Earth.

>>157406210
What? Goku tells everyone he was going all out against Cell. Even at maximum power, Goku couldn't beat Cell who wasn't showing his own full strength.

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Why is this allowed?

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>>157406810

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>>157406977

Jackie Chun v Goku was the best.

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>>157407088

>>157406810
Reminder Cell Jrs were not EVIL. They were only a FEW MINUTES old at best. They didn't deserve this kind of treatment.

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>>157403828
>>157405053
ghosts, bitch

>>157407504
Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack >>>>>> Super Kamikaze Ghost Strike

>>157402886
>gohan fights
>good
pick one

>>157406857
The look of a hearthbroken father

>>157407683
Fuck off Pedro.

>>157407823
but pedros are gohanfags

>>157402886
Goku vs Kururin and Goku vs Tenshinhan was better. Also Vegeta and Nappa vs everyone

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Namek was best saga. Goku vs Freeza was best fight. I'm still of the opinion that Dragon Ball should've ended then and there though, with all saiyans except Gohan dead, legendary Super Saiyan Goku and Freeza dying during Namek's explosion, Freeza's death ushering a new beginning for the entire universe without his tyranny.

>>157407884
No they aren't. Go back to circle jerking in those retard DBS generals. All of them are Vegetafags.

>>157407884
>pedros are gohanfags
I'm not sure about that. I think most of them are anti-Gohanfags. Did they lose their shit over the latest DBS episode?

>>157406588
Goku didn't confirm shit. He would have said anything to convince Gohan to fight Cell. After all his entire planet was about to be destroyed.

Fact of the matter is that Gohan was severely injured and exhausted and Cell would have killed him had it not been for the Z-warriors creating an opening for Gohan to break through his defenses.

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>>157408220
>ignoring the manga and spinning your own head canon

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>>157408012
I can see that, though I personally would also be fine with it going on and eventually ending after Majin Vegeta's sacrifice, maybe throw in the "Respect for Goku" speech during the moments leading up to it and end the series afterwards, so in the end, we would get the resolution to Gohan's hidden power, Gohan achieving his dream of a truly normal life, the conclusion to the progression of Vegeta's character after his temporary devolution and subsequent redemption, and both Vegeta and Goku returning to the afterlife in peace

>>157408333
So I take it all those times the villains proclaimed how much stronger they are than Goku was fact, right? They were all stronger than him and Goku just kept beating them via flukes.

Also none of their powers are real anyways. Mr. Satan is stating facts every time he speaks. It's all just lightshows and smoke and mirrors. Anything that any character says should be taken as fact. We should all just ignore what is actually happening in favor of the character's biased words.

>>157408442
Goku fucking confirmed himself going all out he couldn't beat Cell after fighting him at his best. This is a statement backed up by Goku, why would he lie about it?

You are literally still projecting your own nonsensical head-canon.

>>157407262
They are the spawn of a evil creature will no humanity, they were born evil and would cause chaos even without Cell's orders.

>>157408442
But in Cell's case its true? Goku wanted to see after his training and improvement if he could beat Cell, Cell shows during the fight with Goku even after getting hit by Goku's Warp Kamahama Ha that he still was holding back his power while Goku was going full power.

Goku confirms Cell's statements that even he can't beat Cell. Its not a baseless assumpation, Goku puts Cell to the test and realizes he simply *can not* beat him on his own even after hitting him with his strongest attack and making him waste energy and power to regenerate himself to recover from the damage. And when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, Cell still powers up even more showing he wasn't lying about having more power then even what he used against Goku in the first match of the Cell Games.

>>157408012
They would have just brought Goku back with Porunga. Besides, you can't end Dragon Ball without having Piccolo and God merging back together.

>>157408556
> Cell still powers up even more showing he wasn't lying about having more power

Man that scene was so fucking awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2FaygZIxIs

>>157408012
Everything after future trunks killed robot freeza was shit. Toriyama couldn't keep the power level balance and had to rely on plot devices like the androids and cell, majin buu is even worse.

>>157408606
You mean kami-sama you ameripleb?

>>157408688
>Cell spends 3 minutes yelling into the microphone
>camera shaking
>earthquakes all around
>energy flames stretch out 5 times further than usual
>Gohan punches twice
>fight over

i just watched the universe 6v7 tournament and hit is pretty cool

what is the overall opinion about him

>>157408879
He's a cheater just like Chill or whatever U6's Frieza is named.

>>157408879
I like Hit's design and powers but his almost lack of personality is kind of off-putting. I think Toriyama designed him specifically to be generic.

>tall
>dark
>wear's a trench-coat
>stoic

>>157408012
>Namek was best saga. Goku vs Freeza was best fight. I'm still of the opinion that Dragon Ball should've ended then and there though, with all saiyans except Gohan dead, legendary Super Saiyan Goku and Freeza dying during Namek's explosion
Fucking this so much! It would be the perfect climatic ending. The rest of DBZ after that is just a mess of nonsensical power levels.

>>157409123
How is using time skipping cheating, you retarded spic? Also it's Frost. Why do you subhumans insist on coming to these threads?

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>>157408879
I really liked the act that he was holding back during that fight because it shows that there are still people stronger than Goku.

>>157409337
Dragonball Super is a black mark on the series and it's a tragedy that Toriyama wanted money so badly that he let it happen.

It's proof that no popular series can be allowed to stay good. Eventually it all turns to shit because people won't let it end when it needs to.

>>157407262
>ruthlessly kicking and torturing people who haven't got a snowball's chance in hell against them in a fight
>not evil

>>157409254
>Freeze time in a fight with rules and also the fact that time manipulation is illegal just to get cheap shots at your opponent that can't do anything about it
>not a cheater

Whatever you say faggot.

>>157409939
How was Hit using his time powers illegal? They were part of his powers, so it was allowed.

>>157409805
This.

>>157410188
Did you not pay attention? That galactic cop that takes credit for everything Goku does was saying have all forms of time manipulation is highly illegal. The only reason they didn't do anything about it is because they're all weak and wouldn't be able to arrest Hit.

>>157410283
>galactic cop
>whose authority doesn't extend to other universes

>>157402886
Not even close. Cell vs Goku was better by miles.

>only one person has mentioned 17 vs piccolo

y'all are plebs

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>>157403655
>Fuck, I could've engaged him on melee fight, which would allow me to win easily against heavily injured Gohan and even if he is STILL stronger, after all he kicked my ass minutes before, I would have still a chance to escape with Instant Transmission to the place of the explosion that killed Goku at any moment, putting me at the 100% security
>I could've also spit on Earth and go destroy everything elsewhere, after all, there's a lot more of planets to terrorise
>I could've Instant Transmission anywhere on Earth and blow it up in seconds with Kamehameha point-blanc, killing Gohan and everyone else
>I could've spawn more Cell Jr's to assist me in the fight
>I could've train myself during those ten days
>I could've finish it with Kienzan or Death Beam right after hitting Gohan, killing both him and Vegeta
>I could've go all out from the beginning
>I could've been PEEEEERRRFEEEEEEEECT

Cell is an idiot who didn't realised his potential. Taking Jobgeta's genes was a mistake.

>>157403201
This

>>157410447
18 and 17 beating everybody's ass was the best fight. Vegeta's arm is hurting ever since.

>>157409805
>>157409939
>>157410267
(You)

>>157410629
If Cell had trained in the 10 day period before the start of the Cell Games, his OP advantage with already knowing practically everyone's techniques, regeneration powers, and Saiyan genes would make him an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. It would've been an even bigger almost nonsensical huge gulf in power to overcome since the Freeza vs Goku fight in the previous arc.

>>157405061
Yeah, 10 years old, but very close to 11.
The Cell games take place in may, and his birthday's some time after them in the same month.

>>157408012
Would have worked well but jews wouldn't let it happen.

>>157411678
>Akira wanted Goku to die at Namek meme

That was just a rumor, the only time Akira actually felt like ending it was the Cell Saga.

>>157411771
It would have actually made sense to end it during the Cell Saga.

You couldn't end it after piccolo because there are more green alien monsters out there who can travel to earth.

You couldn't end it after Vegeta since he's just a low ranking minion of a much stronger foe.

You couldn't end it after Frieza because Goku was still alive and no one knew what happened to him.

After Cell there was nothing left. Everything had been resolved and they literally defeated the perfect fighting machine. Earth should have been safe forever with its new protector. Hell the build up to that final battle had stretched all the way back to Raditz.

Buu was interesting but it definitely felt tacked on with numerous instances of plot convenience bullshit and brand new threats/powers pulled out of Toriyama's ass.

>>157408536
Piccolo(jr) is the spawn of a pure evil entity as well, but as he grew up, despite the will he inherited from his father, there was little evil left in him before fusing with Kami.
Cell Jrs were possibly not evil like Cell but they were an immediate high level threat so who cares that they died.

>>157412051
Toriyama wanted Gohan to stay as the hero and be the one to kill Buu but the editors told him to have Goku be the hero again.

>>157412257
EDITORS NEED TO DIE IN A FIRE AND HAVE THEIR SOULS CONSUMED BY DEMONS SO THAT NO TRACE OF THEIR INFLUENCE REMAINS

They are the bane of all good stories.

Okay everyone now lets imagine
PERFECT Cell with YAMCHA's genes

How Stronk would he be?

Stronger then the farmer with the rifle or possibly even stronger?

>>157412051
The worst part about the Buu Saga was having Piccolo and Krillin regulated to being minor side-characters and how Goten and Kid/Present Trunks are supposed to represent the rest of the "new generation" along with Gohan but the three got shafted for more Goku and Vegeta.

And even in DBS, aside from one little story arc set between the RoF and Universe 6 vs Universe 7 fight arc, Goten and Kid Trunks have done next to jackshit in the show. Especially Goten. The worst part though with the Buu Saga, is the fact that the Android/Cell Saga literally is poetically and thematically perfect.

Part 1 of DB ends with Goku FINALLY winning the World Tournament after losing to Roshi in the 21st, and Tienshinhan in the 22nd, to beating Piccolo in the 23rd. Gohan taking over for Goku by beating Perfect Cell in a martial arts tournament was perfect (no pun intended) and an example of the circle of life in DB coming full stop back from Master to Student to Father to Son.

>>157412336
Yamcha was more powerful than Raditz and Raditz beat the shit out of Goku.

Therefor: Yamcha > Raditz > Goku

>>157403423
Oh, yes, the classic Gohan firing a prolapsed anus, the best example of Tori's art capabilities

>>157412411
I wanted joke answers.

If we are trying to be serious the answer is simple:
As strong as perfect cell with a little extra power boost (some ten thousands maybe?).
In the end, still below Gohan obviously

it is kind of cheating.when you have someone that can regenerate from a single remaining cell. that can just blow them selves up at will, and has the saiyan trait of getting stronger after recovering from being beaten up.

Cell could just blow him self up an infinite number of times and come out stronger than beerus.

>>157407504
Just by looking at the page I hear the fucking sound of the ghosts coming out

Why do spics hate Gohan so much?

>>157412528
He can only fully recover from an explosion if the core in his head is intact afterwards. He stated himself that he was incredibly lucky that it wasn't vaporized that time.

>>157412609
So does that mean he can't actually uset hat explosion tech whenever he wants?

And if he is unlucky he may die for real afterwards?

>>157412571
They actually got Dragon Ball first, meaning Gohan shows up to take screentime away from the hero they grew up with as opposed to merifats self-inserting as Gohan because muh ebin Cell battle.

>>157412692

So he's taking screen-time away from your preferred self-insert, spic?

>>157403292
>>157403334

Watching these with this in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

>>157412313
The authors need to grow a pair and tell the editors to fuck off and let them do the story how they want.

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>>157412528
Not in the manga, he'd have a limit of zenkais just like Black.

In the anime he'd be overpowered if he did it though.

>>157412661
Couldn't cell just control his explosion to leave the lump intact so he wouldn't have to worry about that? Its one thing when he was suicide bombing but if he tried to a controlled one maybe it'd work.

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>>157412808
But that was the Buu saga mostly, and it's considered the worst one by most, though I liked it because Tori did whatever the fuck he wanted, and it's filled with his humor.

>>157412871
What if he made kamikaze Cell jrs that explode?

ALLU AKCELL

>>157412929
The General Blue or the Fortuneteller Baba sagas are undeniably the worst.

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>>157412929
>That fat buu

>>157412692
>They actually got Dragon Ball first
I'm pretty sure the only thing they got first was Saint Seiya.

is there any reason to watch the original version of Z over Kai besides nostalgia?
it's better in every way (in English)

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>>157413158

>>157413158
Is there any reason to watch Kai over reading the manga?

>>157410447
I don't even remember that fight. How short was it?

>>157406600
Yes, Super Saiyan was foreshadowed hard as fuck. That's why we got that "Fake Super Saiyan" shit from the Lord Slug movie. That anon's just an idiot.

>>157413208
why does this example always come up
do you really believe it's worth watching through a much more horribly paced, acted, and scripted show just because of one funny filler episode you can look up on the internet anyway?

>>157412051
Cell was such a trash tier arc after he started absorbing cyborgs that I'm glad it didn't end there. But then Buu is kinda shit too.

>>157413256
>reading an action shonen
boi what are you doing

>>157412692
>muh ebin Cell battle
This shit is the kind of garbage you'd expect to find it mindless pandering trash like SAO. I'm not even surprised it got so popular with idiots.

>>157413057
Pretty sure he means that Dragon Ball aired first for them instead of DBZ.

In the US Dragon Ball actually aired after DBZ.

>>157404432
>>157405155
>>157405352
>>157405530
>>157408746
>>157412051
>>157412392
>>157412929
>>157413409
>hating buu
majin vegeta and vegito were the best things that ever happened in dbz, end yourselves
not to mention the best super saiyan form

>>157413445
>being too stupid to appreciate Toriyama's god tier dynamic and smooth panel composition

>>157413533
>I wrote an M on my head, so I'm stronger than you know Kakarot

>>157413533
Buu arc isn't complete shit, there are some good ideas, the tone and execution is simply all over the place.

>>157413533
I hated the Buu saga at first, but you have to realize that the past 3 villians (vegeta, frieza, cell) were all smug coniving assholes, and Toriyama created Buu to mix it up by adding someone who was just a pink dumb blob who took nothing seriously and wasn't someone who just wanted to rule the world. It definitely wasn't perfect, but I can at least appreciate what Toriyama was trying to do.

I'm still mad majin vegeta didnt have more development and screen time

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>>157410699
>>157403201
Not even, by this point Goku was already so far ahead of Krillin, Tien, etc. that their narrative importance is diminished because of how relatively incompetent they are.

I'd argue Goku v. Tien is the better candidate because it's one of the rare fights in the series that involves two characters fighting with their ideals as well as a physical encounter.

Goku v. Daimao Piccolo is an honorable mention but it also devalues Tien forever.

>>157402886
Not even top five. Even Goku vs Cell is miles ahead.

Yamcha > Olibu = Pikkon > Cell
=
Yamcha > Cell
Discuss

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>>157403442
Based Vegeta. Things like this are why Namek saga was so good. Three different parties on a small planet trying to achieve their own benefit and fights that carried weight to them. Not to mention the constant feeling of impending doom that the arc had.

>>157414078
>Pikkon > Cell
This never made sense. Goku couldn't even beat regular Perfect Cell who was still holding back, and he gets sent to Hell after attaining his Super Perfect Form and a guy who lost to Goku somehow takes him out with one kick. Filler in DBZ was almost always uniformly retarded.

>>157414150
>Filler in DBZ was almost always uniformly retarded.
Filler is always retarded, otherwise it wouldn't be filler

>>157404004
Its not long enough.

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As if any other fight could compete

>>157412996
Would have made sense. He was probably stunned by Gohan just 1 shotting them to give the orders though.

>>157414441
Dub Funi or Ocean version whatever taking liberties and having Vegeta make up bullshit about Bardock being a "scientist" is hilarious in hindsight.

>>157402886
Not by a long shot, Gohan babbies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7imXBhC4A

>>157414441
These parts of the manga were so damn good.

>>157414150
When did this happen? I could see Pikkon beating Perfect Cell, not sure about Super though.

>>157413533
t. Babidi

>>157414441
That first panel would be great if it weren't for the stupid tail wrap. Just a completely contradictory decision on every level.

>>157413357
like 2-3 episodes, but it was fucking great

>>157410629
>Cell
>potential
Thanks to all the asspulled powerups in BoG, RoF and Super, Toriyama retroactively made Cell into the most broken character in his series besides Zeno.

>>157414857
Literal filler right after the Cell Saga with the Dead World tourney.

>>157414744
>Broly
Garbage.

>>157402886
is that Goku vs. Vegeta?

no?

then fuck no

>>157414150
He lost to Goku with Kaioken SSJ, and it's also stated that Goku got significantly stronger during the tournament.

>>157412871
Cell didn't know he'd survive when he exploded, so probably Dr. Gero designed him so that whenever he blew himself up, that cellular thingy would always survive.

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>>157415056
>episodes

>>157413533
I hate the buu saga because all of that gotenks fusion thing for nothing.

>>157415164
>magically going from being weaker from FP-PC to suddenly strong enough to beat a guy whose inferior to him and SPC.
No.

>>157414150
Not that different from Super.

>>157415328
Because Super and GT are filled with the same dumb shit. Only major difference between the two is that Super can still be fun unlike GT.

>>157402886
Which fight in the DB franchise had the best choreography?

>>157415505
You mean by actual fight or simply best quality/animation? I really did like Super Saiyan Goku vs Full Power Final Form 10)% Freeza as well as Goku vs Vegeta.

>>157415505
>>157403259
>>157403292
>>157403334
These look fucking nice to me

>>157406810
How much ink did they waste on "Read this way"

>>157415554
I mean when the animators really think through the character's movements rather than reuse blurred punches/kicks cuts for the entire fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9P5IL2Q4wQ

>>157415882
>
Goku vs Krillin
Tien vs Yamcha
Goku vs Tien
Those 3 are top tier.

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>>157415141
Finally someone has taste.

>>157403066
This. The fights in Dragon Ball are far better than Z, and the Budokai arcs are top tier.

>>157416077
>Animefags

alright faggots do I get the DVDs or Blu-rays for the kai buu saga
only reason I'm asking is I have the rest of Kai on DVD already and to replace it all would cost me $200+ which really doesn't seem worth it
I don't want to get something that won't match the rest and would force me to replace it all eventually but it's clearly better so I can't decide

How come Cell never used the Kaioken? I mean, he claims he knew how to use the spirit bomb, and clearly showed he knew every technique everyone else had, so why didn't he use it? If he wasn't just boasting then he would have had to be really stupid not to.

>>157416077
>the Budokai arcs are top tier.
The only good Budokai was the first one. The rest were boring.

>>157416601
Toriyama forgot about it.

>>157416601
Kaio-what?

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>>157416601
By the Android Saga all of the characters can multiply their power without using the Kaioken

The first Goku v Vegeta fight has always been my favourite.

>don't use kaioken higher than x2
>SHIT NIGGA I HAVE TO GO x3

What are /a/'s favorite DBZ fights, in terms of
>choreography
>use of strategy/tactics
>satisfaction/"badassery"
>conflict of ideals (whether internal or between characters)/character development
?

Mine would probably go something like
>choreography
Goku vs. Cell
Majin Vegeta vs. Goku
Piccolo vs. 17
>use of strategy/tactics
Z-Fighters vs. Vegeta
Gotenks vs. Super Buu
Piccolo vs. 17
>satisfaction/"badassery"
SSJ Goku vs. Frieza
Cell saga Future Trunks vs. Future 17, 18, and Imperfect Cell
Tien vs. Semi-Perfect Cell
>conflict of ideals (whether internal or between characters)/character development
Majin Vegeta vs. Majin Buu
Majin Vegeta vs. Goku
SSJ Gohan vs. Perfect Cell

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>>157403334
What a great fight

>>157416941
>no DB fights on the choreography section
come on nigger

>>157417026
I said DBZ

>>157416799
That red aura thing that multiplies the power.

Goku used a 20x kaioken to fight frieza.

>>157408012
This. Then the cybord series would have made sense because a fucking robot being stronger than the SS or freezer is ridiculous.

>>157408012
That would have gone against the very spirit of Dragon Ball.

>>157417661
>spirit of Dragon Ball
Unlimited power level asspull?

>>157417714
>Unlimited power level asspull?
You've never read Journey to the West which it's based on have you?

>>157417876
What's DBZ has to do with that?

>>157418987
...

>>157417876
>reading weeb shit

>>157417177
Z is literally Part II of the manga.

>>157416941
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs Dabura (Buu Saga)
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Cell Jrs
Super Saiyan Goku vs Perfect Cell
Goku vs Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
Piccolo vs 17

Goku vs Tien
Goku vs Piccolo Jr
The whole fight against Vegeta
Goku vs Frieza

those were the best fights
SS3 Goku vs Kid Buu was also good even if it was very short in the manga

>>157417661
Seriously, I hear people say it should've ended on Namek and I don't fucking get it, I mean, I understand Cell Saga to an extend, but ending on Namek would be the fucking worst. Character developments weren't done yet, Freeza was important but not that him dying would be the big finale of DB, and it dying in an edgy ending with Gourock being blasted to death after killing Freeza and trying to escape would be awful.
Buu saga ending was perfect on every front, an enemy who so far has beaten every single threat he had faced, e venue ones who have been much stronger and better than him. Goku and Vegeta fighting Buu because they were the ones behind his release, fighting on Shin's planet, when this started with him, earth is destroyed along with all its inhabitants, God tier choreography for the fight between Kid Buu and SSj3 Goku, vegeta holding back Buu despite his existence itself being at stake, Buu vs Buu, showing that satan, earth's hero, actually saved earth. Goku using the spirit Bomb, something he had learned at the very start of DBZ, and had never actually killed someone. The spirit Bomb using the energies of all the z warriors, Satan asking the humans to give their energy to him, making him a true hero there. Kid Buu actually managing to hold himself against the spirit bomb, and them using the dragon balls torestore goku and end buu, and despite all that, goku still had no hatred for Buu, because Buu never really understood what he was doing, all he did was have fun. I don't think it's possible to have an ending better than this.

>>157415882
the irony is that mostly of that fight is filler

>>157402886
It's the best fight in anime period

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>>157424426
Every arc in Dragon ball & z was perfect.

I don't get the hate for the other parts of Dragonball.

>>157408879
OK design (the penis head is hilarious tho), ultra bland personality.

>>157426668
Oh and, cool power.

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>>157403655

>>157403259
>auras are touching
Gay

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>>157416076
Personally I've always liked their second fight the best. Theres a bit in there where Vegeta rams his knee straight into Gokus throat.

The attack was literally so vicious they couldn't show it on the screen for more than half a second. Out of all the attacks I remember from Dragon Ball that one looked like it hurt the most.

>>157427332
Speaking of, What are your favourite attacks /a/? Do you strongly remember a certain character getting wailed on?

>>157402886
I've always liked that part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQRth7I1JJ8

I once found it with the English voices but with the original BGM, but I can no longer find it anymore.

>>157403235

>dub has him just say "WAHHH I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMOOOOOOORE"

Why is the dub so shit

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Goku vs Freezer feels like the stakes are higher than ever and the whole lead up to it its amazing.

Gohan vs Cell its great because of the set up, tournament and the entire world is watching. It was also amazing to see Gohan take Goku role as protector of the Earth for the first time and imo his transformation moment is one of the best parts of all DBZ.

And Goku vs Kid Bu is not as great as those but it has some things that i love, being:
1) It felt primal to me, Bu fights like a literal psychotic child monkey and they just resort to punch each other.
2) How everyone watches.
3) I love that the place they fight in, its very last level.
And finally how thats the moment that signals Vegeta finally admitting that Goku is better than him.

>>157413993
>Even Goku vs Cell is miles ahead.
This. Gohan is a boring fighter, always has been and always will be. Keeping Goku as the protagonist was a good idea.

>>157416849
They already do that in the Saiyan saga

>>157403292
>>157403334

Easily the best fight in Z. Yeah it didn't end as grand as some other fights but the whole fight in itself was masterful unlike the others.

>>157412257
That's bullshit tho. Toriyama stated in an interview that he himself thought Gohan was a boring protagonist.

>>157415281
>new SSJ form
>ends up achieving jack all
>Gohan powers up immensely over the course of several episodes
>achieves nothing and gets absorbed by Buu
>Gotenks built up as the hero that will defeat Buu
>bounces Buu around for a bit and ultimately achieves nothing other than absorption by Buu
Arc is full of this shit.

>>157433967
Buu was terrible but without it we would never have gotten Goku screaming at the top of his lungs into the microphone for literally 5 minutes straight causing his voice actor to pass out in the booth.

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>>157403094
>Wouldn't that be Majin Vegeta vs Goku?
LOL

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>>157433967
>>157433967
don't forget
>buu arc plot is a carbon copy of android/cell arc plot
>evil old bastard is going to wake up his creation and destroy the world
>heroes warned in advance
>they fuck up and the monster is let loose
>evil guy killed by his own creation
>buu is literally pink cell, he absorbs things to transform and regenerates
>buu arc introduced goten, a generic goku clone that only existed to be a substitute for dead goku
>not one retarded asspull fusion ability, but two different kinds
>two toddlers can go super saiyan for no reason
>they go super saiyan 3 for some reason, something goku could only achieve because he was dead and couldn't run out of energy

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Saiyan and Namek sagas had the best fights.
The Garlic jr movie wasnt bad either.

>>157403201
Isn't that Dragon Ball?

>>157403201
For Dragonball, Majunior vs Goku definitely by far.

For DBZ, I wanna say Goku vs Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga. The hits were absolutely BRUTAL

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>>157403259
Has it ever been explained why Cell has a gold aura or was that just Toei anime fuckery?

>>157435030
Sayains cells

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>>157435098
It's never said that Cell is a super saiyan though. I just assumed that toei slapped that color on his aura just cause, considering all of his forms had different colors in the manga

>>157404004
Imperfect Cell a best.

Dragon Ball fights during the WMAT where fucking great, dbz fights are also good just half the time it falls into using the same scene loads and just blurs hitting eachother.

>>157403066
Personally my favorite fight is Yamcha vs Tien

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>>157404004
Piccolo vs 17 would be better if they weren't made out of elastic

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>>157408012
>>157417543
>Gohan becomes the main character and Faces the androids with Trunks coming back in time to help
Would be an interesting 'what if' story, I'd really like to see this happen.

>>157410397
Jaco says the same thing

>>157435700
Summon forth some bitches from accounting for a pansexual adventure, THROUGH TIME

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>>157413533
>not to mention the best super saiyan form
???
SSJ2 was in the cell saga not buu

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>>157436228
It wasnt even called Super Saiyan 2 until the buu saga. It was just Gohan's rage on top of Super Saiyan. Then Buu saga comes around, and Goku and Vegeta both have it with a number, then goku turns into a useless mullet caveman number 3 as well.

goku vs piccolo daimao/jr
goku vs vegeta

the rest were just MUH POWERLER ASSPULL XD

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>>157436311
>goku vs vegeta
Goku used Kaioken though.
By your logic that would be MUH POWERLER ASSPULL as well.

>>157416601
He was using the Super Saiyajin transformation and you can't stack Kaioken and SSJ

>>157416601
Because kaioken always caused a huge strain on the user and weakened them greatly once it wore off. Goku was nearly dead after using it on Namek.

>>157436363
he earned the kaio ken and practiced it forever, they were pre-established powers. transformations are just ass pulls even if they're foreshadowed, it's a lazy way to turn the tide

>>157403066
maybe the frieza fight, goku and frieza slowly grind eachother down. freiza breaks first.

>>157402886

The fight with Vegeta is the best in Z.

>The kaioken is a double edged sword, for every blow he landed on Vegeta his body paid the toll and it alone wasn't enough to beat him
>Everyone even fucking Yajirobe contributed to the victory
>Vegeta showed off his tenacity and even when brutally injured he was a fierce opponent
>It took literally everything to beat him
>Vegeta's transforming energy ball was even used against him with Gohan
>In the end everyone was a broken mess and could barely move

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Don't mind me just posting the true end to Dragon Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJfmqxwp3MQ

>>157437158
>Faulconer Music
>>>/v/

>b-but my toonami version

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>>157437416
>subfag elitist this triggered that I posted the version that has no repetitive boing boing music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNi6qFdrVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmH_72yfKQA

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If cell can survive his self-destruction with no negative side-effect and actually get stronger from it why didn't he just spam the shit out of it?
That move seems really overpowered

>>157437492
He said he was lucky that one cell didn't get damaged.

>>157437512
That one cell was the core of his being though, and Gero had obviously designed him to survive the self destruction without Cell even knowing that. The obvious answer is that once Cell came back Super Perfect he was so cocky that he believed he was going to beat Gohan. He would have if he hadn't took Vegeta's Big Bang to the back.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRgPN-ECB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7muZaoTUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Gq2NxTvak

>>157410629
you can blame vegeta all you want too annon

but we all know the real reason behind cells failure... yamcha cells

>>157410629
If cell can IT why doesn't he IT from hell?

>>157437593
>Gero had obviously designed him to survive the self destruction
Head canon. Nowhere was it ever state that this was an intentional design and all communication to the reader implies that it was a magnanimous fluke that gave Cell a second chance.

>>157437492

He didn't realize he could survive it, it was pretty clear he was planning on taking everyone down with him.

>>157437738
>all communication to the reader implies that it was a magnanimous fluke that gave Cell a second chance

Head canon.

>>157437715
The same reason Goku couldn't just IT back to Earth and required borrowed power to participate in the 25th Tenkaichi. There's nothing explaining why he can't just IT to Snake Way or anywhere else in the other world, but you'd have to guess Cell would have tried first thing and failed somehow.

>>157437715
Nobody could instant transmission to and from the afterlife until the retarded buu saga.

>>157437715
>>157437865
For the same reason that King Yemma can stop super powered villains from escaping. It's apart of the laws of reality there, nobody can leave unless Yemma allows it, and Yemma is unbeatable in the other world, no matter how powerful the villains are.

>>157412336
Since Cell used every stolen attack he had from the Z Fighters, seeing Wolf Fang Fist would also be cool.

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>>157412336
>>157438072
Imagine if Cell used Kikoho

>>157438072
If Cell used it would it really do damage against Gohan or would it just hold him back a bit like Tien did with Semi-Perfect Cell?

>>157437712
he didn't have cells from any of the humans

>>157437712

He didn't have Yamcha or any of the Human cells, now I'm reminded of that one dragon ball game where Cell absorbs Krillin and ends up incredibly weaker.

>>157439421
Wasn't that in Budokai 3?

>>157439626

I think it's the original budokai.