>Classmates were enablers of Shoko's bullying and never

>>157394175
Glorious Kyoani writing.

>>157394258
>Kyoani writing
there's a manga

>>157394267
>something good about the movie
>THANK YOU BASED KYOANI
>something bad about the movie
>hurr it's all source material author's fault!!
It's not how it works.

>>157394354
Who are you quoting?

>>157394354
>>something good about the movie
>>THANK YOU BASED KYOANI
Where did anyone say this in this thread? Are you schizophrenic?

>>157394175
Kids are assholes, how new.

>>157394354
bad straw man

>>157394175
It's your fault for watching awful melodrama garbage. The manga has been out for years now you should have known better.

>>157394175
kids are assholes what else is new

>>157394175
It's called scapegoating

>>157394175
Its because kids and teens are fucking garbage human beings.
>>157394258
There's nothing wrong with the writing, people really are this shitty.

>>157394175
forced drama

>>157395183
kill yourself

>>157395896
I'm not in a forced drama
So i will not kill myself just because you told me to kill myself

>>157394175
People are massive cunts. Notice how even when they are older some of them still justify it as Shoko was different without then saying they were wrong.

>>157394175
Empathy is taught.

>>157397072
That's a lot of Japanese people, or in general, screwed.

>>157394175
What's the best release to watch it in?
Or should I wait for a better one?

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Have you forgiven this angel yet?

>>157394175
The Japanese are subhuman. They are inferior herd animals with no will of their own.

>>157397072
No, it is inborn. Only European peoples are biologically capable of feeling empathy. There are actual scientific experiments showing this.

>>157398282
Oh look, /pol/ woke up.

Why would someone want to watch this meme normie show? It's a romance and the characters never even get together

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unlimited forced drama works

>>157398407
>muh /pol/ bogeyman
Westerners are individualists, Easterners are collectivists. Nothing new or controversial here.

>>157398433
This post is a disaster.

>>157398323
Europeans have too much empathy though. That is why they are getting destroyed by the SJW's scurge.

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OMG did you know that Ishida-kun is a BAD PERSON because he bullied Shoko-chan back in Elementary? Never mind the fact that he's clearly making amends by trying to get the old group together? We should stop hanging out with him!

>>157394175
They have a severe case of selective retardation so that the story lasts for longer than half an hour

>>157399003
Someone needs to drive a truck over this cunt.

>>157394175
Just Ueno (worst girl) logic.

>>157399003
>vlc

>>157399003
>vlc
>720p
>black borders
WEW LAD

Because none of them wanted to take responsibility. That's the point of the film. When Shoko was the perceived problem they were fine with her being abused. Then when it was convenient to save themselves they used Shoya as the scapegoat for what they enabled. Shoya and Shoko making up is the worst case scenario for all of them, because if the Bully and the Bullied aren't antagonistic towards each other and present a united front that means they're all liable again to suffer negative consequences for their actions since they were all enablers and participants so the natural reaction is to try and crush them both to defend the majority.

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>>157399003
Why the fuck would she YELL. I almost punched my screen cause of this cunt.

Who the fuck names their kid Kawai anyway?

>>157401171
>>157401546

I just started watching anime like a year ago. If VLC isn't any good, then could you recommend me to something better?

>>157403539
Kawai is her family name

>>157394354
Get a brain.

>>157394676
I've read the manga.

they cut so much of the manga and all this time skipping confused was awful literally killed whatever momentum it was building up because only Shoko and Shoya were the only people developed.

Did anyone else find it funny tho when Yuzuru was walking home her mom comes out of no where to slap him? It was so out of blue I was like what the fuck she slapped him for nothing when compared to the manga a whole lot of shit goes down and also Shoya and Shoko's first fight was supposed to be outside not inside the school and was wayyyy more brutal then that pussy shit they showed

>>157404266
I thought she slapped cause what he did to her daughter when they were young?

Though It doesn't make sense that she would remember him or how he looks like after all those years...

>>157394175

Japanese society normalize bullying vs disabled people because are obsessed with reputation and popularity and deaf girls dont fit.

>>157394394
Kids are assholes because of a inner reason. In the manga they're assholes just for teh sake of drama.

>>157394175

>On November 25, 1988, four boys abducted Furuta, a third-year high school student from Misato, Saitama Prefecture, and held her captive for over 40 days in a house in the Ayase district of Adachi, Tokyo,[1] owned by the parents of one of the boys, a 17-year-old whose name was Jō and who was later given the surname Kamisaku.[2]

>In order to avoid any concern over her abduction, the perpetrators forced Furuta to call her parents and tell them that she would be staying at a friend’s house for a while. The parents of Kamisaku were present at least part of the time Furuta was held captive, yet did not intervene, later claiming that they feared their son too much to do so.

>The killers hid her corpse in a 208-litre drum filled with concrete; the perpetrators disposed of the drum in a tract of reclaimed land in Kōtō, Tokyo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

/a/ think Koe no Katachi bullying is hardcore or realist.
I have no words.

>>157404361
Pretty much everyone recognized each other after the time skip except when Ueno put on her disguise so atleast it was consistent

>>157395164
>Its because kids and teens are fucking garbage human beings.
But Shoko isn't. HOW CONVENIENT.

>>157404453
>implying that was bullying

That was sociopathy

>>157404266
Why did she slap him then?

Bad writing. Did they move away from the Ishida because they did not want to be responsible for that? Okay. The problem is that the manga movie does not develop that, so instead of looking like it was to avoid guilt, it seems they did purely because they are assholes. And why? Because this is convenient for the melodrama. And don't come to me with this shit that children are bad and blablabla. There is always a reason for bad behaviour, family, environment, whatever, unless you are a psycho. But again, the story does not bother to figure it out, because the only important thing is the melodrama.

Want another proof? They put a deaf girl to sing in a choir.

>>157404479
Shoko wasn't around people much, and even when she was she was an outcast, so she hung onto her purity.

>>157399003
This cunt right here. I fucking hate this bitch.

>>157405159
So all the other kids are bad. She's an angel. Seriously, even Naruto manages to be less forced than that.

>>157405243
Most kids without contact with their own kind grow up softer and more naive.

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>>157399003
That fucking drama queen reminded me of someone I know when I was at high school. I really despise her until now.

>>157403589
MPCHC

>>157404453
Anon, kidnapping and murdering someone isn't bullying.

>>157403589
>I just started watching anime like a year ago
Lurk before posting, retard.

>>157398500
tbf Easterners while collectivists are not moral fags and don't have to deal with busybody moral fags who are actively trying to undermine the idea of the individual.

>>157399003
i want to hate fuck her so much

>>157399003
didn't she get cucked in the manga?

>>157399003
>>157401171
>>157401546
Nothing wrong with VLC anon. Keep doing you, stay safe, have fun.

>>157402274
Sounds like to me they're pissed because they lost their only bully who was willing to go that extra mile only to push the blame on again when their antics go too far.

>>157394175
Why couldn't this have been a tv format instead? Is the bullying topic a no-no in anime or what?

When are Your Name BDs coming out?

>>157394354
No one said it was bad writing.
>>157394175
Peer Pressure. and group dynamic.

People who didn't have a scape-goat (and even then if they weren't one themselves, they will be denying it) will have an hard time believing it often happens like that in reality.

People have an hard time admitting their fault. it's even stronger when the one seen "at fault" become the victim of harassment. Then consciously or subconsciously, the way of thinking become "Anyone but me".

>>157404479
>But Shoko isn't. HOW CONVENIENT.
Not everyone is a coward. But Shocko is at fault too. The difference, he tried to assume his responsibility.

>>157409495
So Shoya doing a 180 upset them because they realized they were assholes and wanted Shoya to come back to being an asshole to Shoko so they can rat him on him again when shit goes too far?

>>157404911
>There is always a reason for bad behaviour, family, environment, whatever, unless you are a psycho.
I have been a scape Goat. I can tell you that the main reason is "I don't want to be the scapeGoat, so better him than me"

I don't know for the anime, but the manga is very well written and do a good job at presenting how this sort of behaviour can easily pop out.

>Want another proof? They put a deaf girl to sing in a choir.
Have you not interacted enough with SJW to realize that it's eaxtly th kind of BS that "well intentioned" teacehrs who don't actually know shit will try to pull? Yes those kind of people get in charge sometimes and it's awful.

Fuck, you know what, done right it might actually work. Just give her the percussion, as deaf people tend to still hear basses well.

>>157409590
>So Shoya doing a 180 upset them because they realized they were assholes
They realized they had some kind of relief of him doing that and they didn't want to admit theyr own responsibility.

It's not so much they wanted Shoya to be an asshole again, but that he made an ideal "villain" and him not being the vilain of t story anymore would made them face their own actions.

everyone ratted on him so they would feel it wasn't their fault.

>>157399003
>vlc
>bd 720p
>black borders wtf?
just stop

>>157403589
mpv or mpc-hc+madvr

Are any of the subs good?

What was the Shoko's mom's problem again regarding her family?

>>157394175
Humans, especially children are kinda shitty like that y'know.

>>157394175
>watch anime
>The Who plays
I cringed

>>157413620
>The Who plays
I cringed

>>157413680
glad i wasn't the only one

>>157413620
I thought it actually worked pretty well with the opening sequence

>>157404266
I haven't read the manga and to me everything was perfectly clear.
>and was wayyyy more brutal then that pussy shit they showed
That fight came off as extremely well done and realistic to me. If the fight in the manga was more extreme than that, it was probably an unconvincing exaggeration that would only appeal to people who are into fights.

>>157404453
>comparing a murder case with school bullying
What an juvenile imbecile entirely disconnected from reality.

>>157394175
They're Japanese

>>157404453
Your post is so out of place that I laughed

>>157413620
>>157413680
I cringed

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>>157394175
>>157399003
I havn't read or watch this, but reading this stuff is getting me moody. TL;DR this bitch for me?

>>157414494
She's cute and innocent and anon is just jealous

the Mashiro subs are solid, right? anyone tested them out yet?

>>157413620
>>157413680
>>157413723
shit taste plens

They had a comfy group. Why did they had to invite the normalfag and the bullying whores again? Everything went well until fucking Ueno and Kawai got into the group.

>>157415170
My main problem with the entire series. I was hoping Kawai, the justice classmate, Ueno and maybe Saha would be cut.

If only they could focus on the main two, the sister and his new best friend, it would all have been great. Instead they come across half developed and you wonder by the end of it, why bullies like Ueno and Kawai are just walking out of it all without a scratch (bohoo that she got slapped, she even slapped bacl).

5/10, great animation and VA, story fell flat except the ending and the first half.

>>157414909
theyre shit

>>157415454
really? god dammit

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So do we all agree that she's the best girl?

>>157415414
>why bullies like Ueno and Kawai are just walking out of it all without a scratch
because karmic justice isn't real

>>157404449
Have you ever been to fucking school?

>>157415548
Nigga, even at my shitty school, the suicide attempt that happened (he died later though) resulted in suspension for the bullies. No slap in the wrist, no bad things happening at all, hell Ueno might even end up with the MC if we go by the movie. What kind of message is it sending?

>>157416083
if you think this movie in any way endorses bullying or socially exclusionary behavior then you have a leaky brain

I couldn't watch it. This is one of those cases where i got into it too much. It makes me feel too much.

>>157415481
I loved her in the manga.

>>157416542
So pure and cute. I wish I had a GF like her. Maybe then my life would be different.

>>157416145
as a prev bully I think my life worked out fine, and this movie reinforce that. bullied fat kid though, not kid deaf girl. shame.

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Anyway why is no one talking about how hot Sahara is?

>>157416636
so it fits right in line with your own life experience, what's the big fucking deal?

>>157416729
what? I agreed with you dipshit. there is no real backfire on bullying, unless you do it hardcore.

>>157416700
She's way too freakishly huge. Cute girls are supposed to be 150 cm or less.

>>157416700
did the movie show her fashion show?

>>157403589
It's not as bad as it was a few years ago, especially these past two years. It's an old meme that's still stuck with the tryhards trying to fit in. Although there are better alternatives.

>>157417303
No. They just stretched out her transferring out of school and made her a life long coward.

>>157417718
Ok... i don't really want to watch anymore.

>>157394676
>>157395183
I think the characters' actions became bland in the movie, because unlike the manga, it focused too much on Shoko and Ishida's relationship, instead of focusing on their inner demons. In the manga it was showed how hard Ishida had it after he had a fight with Shoko and how unfair it was because even the teacher laughed when everyone was bullying Shoko. Ishida only bullied her because he thought it was the right thing to do, Shoko frustrated everyone because she was weird, he was just having fun with her (according to him). But the movie left that out. Also in the movie Kawai was kind of bland, while in the manga she was a total bitch. Also Kyoani needed to focus more on Shoko to characterize her a little more.

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>>157394258
>KyoAni writing

>>157404911
>Want another proof? They put a deaf girl to sing in a choir.
They could be forced to put her in, otherwise they could had been blamed for making her an outcast.

The true villains were the teachers that did jack shit and just watched time and time again.

Literally the best kyoani movie so far.

>>157419266
Definitely, but the competition isn't too fierce.

>>157415414
At least Ueno got slapped. Shimada and Hirose got clean away.

>>157394175
Humans, no, possibly humanity is a bunch of enablers of bullying, you know, muh competitivism, muh growth through trials despite being forced, etc., capitalist-thinking and abusive-apologist memes.

>>157419266
>>157419370
Kill yourselves

>>157404911
>Want another proof? They put a deaf girl to sing in a choir.

Does this actually happen? Jesus christ what cringeworthy writing

>>157418641
How convenient.

>>157399003
Worst thing is, despite all the bad people, someone like this is probably the most common in the real world.

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Threadly reminder that had it not been for Keit-ai, KnK would've been the highest grossing anime film of 2016.

How the fuck can I download this with a good quality while Your Name still has that shitty torrent?

>>157421272
There's one other Koe no Katachi thread up, don't forget to post it in that one too.

>>157421276
Because one has a bluray release and the other doesn't. Not that hard to figure out.

>>157409822
>I don't know for the anime, but the manga is very well written and do a good job at presenting how this sort of behaviour can easily pop out.
No, it does not. The manga just shows the kids being mean just because.
>Have you not interacted enough with SJW to realize that it's eaxtly th kind of BS that "well intentioned" teacehrs who don't actually know shit will try to pull? Yes those kind of people get in charge sometimes and it's awful.
We do not know why the teacher let that happen, because the story does not go deep. We do not know what the other students thought of it, because the story does not go deep. We do not know what Nishimiya thought of it, because the story does not go deep. See? The author does not want to delve into anything, she just wants to use such scenes to make the reader cry.

So I'm not saying that situations like that are impossible in real life, I'm saying that using a situation like that the way it was used is too cheap.

>>157415481
Without a doubt.
I need a look a like in a doujin.

>>157420864
>mah haroohi
Fuck off hambeast.

The more I read, the more convinced I am that 99% of people complaining about nonsensical or forced drama are either those who read the manga and are projecting their memories and expectations from that onto the movie or those who are too autistic to understand human interaction and behavior.

I've never read the manga (though always wanted to) and I thought the movie was excellent. With the exception of the completely forgettable 'why did they even put him in the movie' Mashiba, every character felt well-done with very realistic actions, emotions and motivations. I felt like I understood every character just fine, and nothing that happened felt especially bizarre or unrealistic.
I get the feeling some characters have been changed a fair bit from the manga - for example, many people have been talking about Kawai in the manga as a terrible and manipulative person, whereas in the movie she came across as genuinely kind and good-natured but extremely naiive, completely oblivious to how her passivity helped enable bullying on everyone's part and thus shocked to tears when called out on it. Is that change for the better? I dunno, but her character certainly worked for the movie.

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>>157422305
>she came across as genuinely kind and good-natured but extremely naiive, completely oblivious to how her passivity helped enable bullying on everyone's part and thus shocked to tears when called out on it. Is that change for the better? I dunno, but her character certainly worked for the movie.
if thats what you got from the movie then i gotta tell you buddy, thats quite the opposite of kawai, she targeted shoko because of her jelousy. she thought ishida was a cool kid when he was bullying shoko and had a crush on him since elementary school, she wanted to hook up with ishida so she did everything in her power to make shoko stay away from ishida.
That is what i got from the manga.

>>157423803
Well great, none of that seems to be in the movie at all. Looks like her character was changed quite a bit from the manga, and if that's so I can see why some things in the latter half/the ending seem so nonsensical if you're coming in with that memory of her character. But judging solely from what's present in the movie everything works fine.

>>157416700
It's the freckels also her body is too stylish and graceful.

>>157416830
Dwarf with bar taste.

>>157422258
I thought Haruhi was all about the dance?

>>157394258
>>157394354
Are you retarded? Nobody fucking says that.

>>157414494
She's a literally who, don't mind her.

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>this thread
So what was yamada's goal for this adaptation?
I'm still going to watch it but this is making me weary.

>>157404453
hurr durr i know of one gruesome murder in japan.
have you tried killing yourself ?
GTFO you tryhard.

>>157420943
there is actually much more wrong with the story.
disclaimer: i have only seen the movie.
the deaf girl gets into a normal school without the homeroom teacher knowing she is deaf.
the sign language lessons are not made mandatory because a couple of kids thought it would be too troublesome

>>157394175
yeah, it was really unrealistic, even for teens or kids. but if they didn't do that then there wouldn't be a story. say, is someone stuck up for the mail mc, then he wouldn't be "traumatized". it's poor/lazy writing.

>>157419235
>let's have the deaf girl sing with the rest because the alternative is worse hurr durr
They weren't villains, they were just stupid.

>They get the video of Nishimiya getting slapped in the ferris wheel
>they do LITERALLY nothing
>nishi gets shit talked infront of her face on multiple occasions
>shoya does LITERALLY nothing
holy fuck i can't take this ocmplete autism

>>157431587
>without the homeroom teacher knowing she is deaf
There's no indication of that at all, seems like he knew in advance just fine
>the sign language lessons are not made mandatory because a couple of kids thought it would be too troublesome
But why in the world would they be mandatory? Just because one student speaks a different language doesn't mean you force all the other students to learn that language. Make it available if they want to learn sure, that's great, but mandatory makes no sense.

>>157432019
nigger watch the movie.
maybe you were just reading the subtitles.
homeroom teacher was also surprised she was deaf when she took out the notebook from her bag.

>>157432421
I just watched it this evening.
He tapped her on the shoulder to give her indication she should go, with a look/sound of 'oh yeah, I'm supposed to let her know, almost forgot'. Maybe he didn't know she'd use a notebook, but he definitely knew she was deaf.

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Why are there no good subs yet? I don't want to watch this until I know I'm getting the optimum experience.

>>157404911
Shouya gets called out for bullying by the teacher so he starts blaming other people aswell. This is completely natural behavior.

In response the other kids get angry at him for snitching and deny, deny, deny. This is also completely natural behavior.

As to the deaf girl in a choir, when I was 9 there was a deaf girl in my class who participated in all activities, that included group singing during music class. The teachers did not want her to feel left out just because she couldn't speak very well.

Bullying has always been heavily dependent on the majority vote. As long as the bully doesn't involve the majority, nobody will touch you. However, not even the bully can control the majority. Thus, it's only a matter of time until the majority turns against you.

>>157422305
I agree the movie handled it well for what it had. I'm a mangafag and my biggest problem in the film was putting screen time for some characters to be barely developed instead of developing the character better. The manga is not perfect though, it had really shitty sub arcs, so I don't think it's great and I don't even expect a 1 to 1 adaptation. But there are parts of the manga that were cut in the film that better display Shouko and Shoya's suicidal tendencies. Which to me is the best part of the manga. They pulled off a lot of things well but they didn't delve deeper into the central characters which they used the time instead to put time towards characters that were even barely characters at the end of the film.

Wtf kind of "bullying" is scribbling on a desk.

You mean kids don't already scribble all over their desks even when they aren't trying to bully people?

>>157434226
Lurk more

>>157434226
having people writing "KYS" or writing all sorts of shit like racist slurs would suck.

>>157434226
i mean, coming every day to school and having "kill yourself" "you're an idiot" "faggot" etc. written on your desk, EVERY DAY would kinda bum you out pretty bad. becoming socially excluded from your entire class also bums you out pretty bad. if you already had this things happen to you normally when you where in school and they didn't bother you then i'm pretty sure you're autistic.

>>157434384
>>157434479
There's also the tendency to view desks and chairs, as well as school shoes, as a student's responsibility, and the school sometimes leaves it to the student to take care of such things.

This should of been a tv series to begin with. They tried to fit in way too much in two hours and they really missed a lot of characterization for the supporting cast.

I was really hoping they would add in the "What if scenario" scene where she was imaging everyone being nice to her since the beginning while laying in bed with fucking tears and thousand yard stare.

>>157432748
Its decently subbed, except they can't be assed enough to sub the sign language part because they don't want to hire someone from the outside.

Good thing I can read sign language regardless though.

>>157434715
Think by any chance they could adapt it into 12 episodes and just recycle the movie footage?

>>157434890
Chances are slim, but not impossible. Might be a few years down the road maybe. 12 episodes would be perfect and plenty of time to get into each characters past before reaching the climax.

>>157394175
This story is fucking awful. It dramatises having a disability in such a fucking retarded way. One could even say it romanticises having a disability. It's melodramatic in the most awful fucking ways. The characters are NOT characters, they're merely catalysts for the most retarded dramatic events to happen. Nothing they do makes sense. And i'm not saying that in a "children/teens should be able to make rational decisions" way, i mean they literally don't act like people, regardless of age.

Made even more fucking awful by Kyoani cutting out the little character development there was, making Characters like Mashiba(?) and Natsuyama (?) -- i honestly don't really remember their names -- so fucking shallow. Fat kid just seemed like a fucking lonely creep who doesn't actually understand what it means to connect to people and only clings to Shoya because he's the only one who was ever kind to his fat ass, yet talks as if he knows everything about friendship, and red haired dude just comes out of nowhere, wants to be friends, then 20 minutes later on the bridge goes "I thought we were friends..."

This is an awfully paced, awfully realized adaption of already exploitative source material with beautiful animation

I'd give it a 8/10 based on anime standards, and a 4/10 based on film standards

>>157394175
it's shit

>>157394258
its a manga adaptation 62 chapters crammed into a 2hour movie. You really think kyoani knows how to write a good story?

>>157435830
Stop pretending the source material was good

>>157431757
>>They get the video of Nishimiya getting slapped in the ferris wheel
>>they do LITERALLY nothing

This really made me mad. Ueno just showed out of nowhere and started to ruin it for Shouko and Ishida, then the video happens and they do nothing? I would have punched that bitch so hard in the face holy shit.

>>157404911
This post is giving me a feeling of deja vu

Alright gents I'm late to the party. Where is [wounraw] Koe no Katachi Movie (1920x1080 x264 AAC) up?

The one on pantsu is 720.

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Blocks your path.

Is it just me or is Shouya's mom the best character in the show even with her limited air time.

>>157438188
After Yuzuru.

>>157438270
Reminder the tomboy loli gets the fat turd hair dick

>>157438291
The kid is actually pretty cool, so I don't really mind anon, he deserves her

>>157394354
all the good and bad parts of the writing are mostly on the source material
all the good and bad parts of the voice acting, animation, directing, music, art, etc. are on kyoani

So what was the point of the story or is it just to show some people are just scum of humanity no matter what

I never bought Ueno's character for a second.
It just never seemed natural to me that she'd treat Nishimiya like utter shit because she found her slightly annoying.

Did she have some mental issue that I didn't catch on to or something?

>>157438468
And that kids are fucking savage, and the only hope for females is if they are either sahara, deaf, or yuzuru
>>157438571
Nah, she was just 2edgy4u nihilistic cunt who took the act too far. When they were kids, she acted like such because kids are assholes, and when she got older , she became a delusional pot smoking hippie tier retard

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>>157438605

Just finished watching it raw, not sure which is worse ending where everyone keeps the same and shits on each other or the happy end out of nowhere

>>157394175

Haven't seen the movie yet as i'm waiting for non shitsubs to come out. I'm a third year psych student and can attest that people, teenagers especially, will conform to group behaviour. the description you gave sounds as if the classmates' behaviour changes on a whim, I assume there was likely a ringleader or more influential classmate that instigated the treatment of shoko/shoya and the others went along. Teenagers are easily influenced by their peers, even if they dont engage in the behaviour, they'll often facilitate it. I would assume this is also the case as to why the classmates enabled the bullying of Shoko

>>157439106
Do you think that Kawai has the tendency to be the ringleader during her elementary days?

>play movie
>"My Generation" starts playing
What the fuck?

>>157439362
apologies i've only watched the first 20 minutes until i decided to hold off from watching for now, during the part that i saw when the deaf girl first came to the school, it was definitely MC and one of the girls that came across as ringleaders, one for the male students and one for the females.

>>157439431
Kawai has the most connections as the most friendly in the class, but it was Ueno who continued to do shit against Shoko, although Ueno probably did those things for her own sake.

>>157422305
> for example, many people have been talking about Kawai in the manga as a terrible and manipulative person, whereas in the movie she came across as genuinely kind and good-natured but extremely naiive, completely oblivious to how her passivity helped enable bullying on everyone's part and thus shocked to tears when called out on it. Is that change for the better? I dunno, but her character certainly worked for the movie.

I got to say, I didn't read the manga, but even just from having watched the movie, Kawai doesn't strike me as a kind person in the slightest.
In fact, in a way I would say she is even worse than Ueno. Ueno at least is honest about and self aware of how much of a cunt she was and is; Kawai on the other hand has at best deluded herself into thinking that she did nothing wrong and at worst (And most likely in my opinion) built up a facade of innocence around herself to protect her from being held responsible.
Whenever somebody calls her out for what she is, she will start crying and and put up her inncocent act so that people around her support her when in reality she was just as bad as anybody else.
In other words, no matter if consciously or unconsciously, she still is manipulative in the movie, it's perhaps just not spelled out as explicitly as in the manga.

>>157415481
She's so fucking cute it's impossible not wanting to hug her

Am I the only one who like Ueno?

Could Shouya be considered to have been the ringleader of Shoko's torment? Or someone following the leader who took things too far to try to look cool?

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Does anybody have the translated version?

>>157439549
Yeah, shes the type I hate the most I knew a fuck ton of girls who were like this. These type of people I always wanted to just take a nice fucking crack at there face because otherwise you would never get justice since people don't assume they actually did anything wrong.

>>157399003

The evilest.
At least Ueno was aware she was being a bitch.

>>157399003
Nothing wrong with guiding people away from bad folks the same way everyone avoids ex-prisoners.

>>157441224
based on the translation i dont think you want it

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Girl is commiting suicide in front of him and he is taking his shoes off before saving her. What a fucking retard he might not have fallen if he just ran to her.

>>157434846
You don't even need SL subs to understand what Shouko's saying due to conversational cues. I don;t think it was even subbed for japanese audiences since no japanese subs appear for any sign language

>>157441594
Way to take a scene of context faggot. He doesn't even see her at this point and is just calling her name as he enters her apartment

>>157416636
>I think my life worked out fine
He says while shitposting on a mongolian cave painting forum on a weekend

>>157441751
No? Watch it again retard he saw her climbing on the railing and started taking his shoes off to save her ass. I bet you didnt even see the movie.

>>157441548
Post it faggot.

CHEX

If you enjoyed the movie/manga, I'd suggest reading Inoue's REAL. Feel like it explores the troubles of disabilities far better than Koe no Katachi did.

>>157441860
ok you're right it takes a few seconds to process that she's actually trying to kill herself. After rewatching it, him speedily taking off his shoes actually perfectly conveys his initial confusion which is a very Yamada touch

Dumb bitch why can't they fucking kill themselves right like in the good old days

>>157398500
>Easterners are collectivists
That's just plain false and there are millions of examples for that

>skipping the part where Kawai lies and says Ishida threatened her
Fuck you Yamada.

>>157394175
>What the fuck is their problem?
kids are assholes, did you not have a childhood? its when everyone tries to figure their own shit out.

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>>157394354

>>157394175
Shouya is a dickhead.

He is trash human being who wants empirical experience to every curiosity he has. And even once he satisfied his curiosity, he got comfortable and got on bullying until it hit him, he got fucking bullying into a comfort zone.

He wouldn't listen to anyone until he experienced it because he was immature hothead who completely lacked empathy.

It's not necessarily bad thing to indulge in curiosities, but even as a kid I noticed how when people say "you live only once" they mean alcohol, tobacco and drugs.

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Now that KyoAni has finally perfected the art of the Mio will they stop putting her clones into everything they do?

>>157443188
As long as they don't take away her thighs.

>>157443188
Will other manga, shows, and studio also stop putting the Mio design archetype in theirs?

>>157441870
Ok then. Left to right top to bottom
"Ah~~~ that felt good, Thanks Shoko"
"! Nishimura?"
"huh? who are you?"
"Eh ah, I am Ishida"
"Are you an acquaintance of Shoko?
"Ah you must be her ex-boyfriend"

>>157415454
No, you're shit.

>>157416636
>as a prev bully
My nigga'! Ueno best girl. Everyone else is a hypocrite, especially glasses girl. I would bully the fuck out of her and enjoy every minute of it.

>you will never leave Ueno a single mother

>>157416700
>hot
She looks like a boy ffs. Are you gay?

>>157418334
All those things are implied in the film. I never read the manga and noticed all those details. Maybe you just have autism and need to be spoonfed everything. Understating things worked very well for the story.

>>157406517
Too bad most fags love to spoonfeed.

>>157420775
Go back to /leftypol/ or tumblr you pussy.

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>>157394175
Just finished seeing this, they removed too much from the manga and it kinda shits up on the movie.
Like they removed the movie-subplot which was one of the main reasons as to why Shouko goes around talking to everyone when Shouya is in a coma, in the movie it's all about "I don't want us to hate each other." They also don't go back to Shouya's old elementary school for the movie and so Eyebrow-kun can learn about Shouko's bullying
They removed a bunch of other things but kept the result of what they removed (Shouko getting a haircut at Shouya's mother hair salon, and at the end of the movie Shouko's mother getting a haircut there for example.)
I understand they couldn't fit everything in there, but they should have kept some of things they removed. It would have been better.
Movie is still great though, just wished they kept a bit more of the manga.
I'm glad Pedro is in this though

>>157420943
It's not cringeworthy. That shit happens IRL with retarded teachers who believe in dumb things like "everyone must participate" or "playing is more important than winning". Were you homeschooled?

>>157423803
You're not even talking about the same character...

>>157423803
You're talking about Ueno. That anon was talking about Kawai.
Fucking retard.

>>157436110
You understood nothing of his character. This is not your story, dumbass. You're not Ishida. Ueno was right, and Ishida knew it. Shouko also knew it. That's their actual hurdle. That's what they have to overcome.

Who the fuck is Shouko that everyone must accommodate her? Her deafness does not make her special. Save your phoney sanctimonious rage for some other occasion.

>>157394175
Some people take longer to grow up than others. Ueno really clung hard on what could have been rather than what can be.

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>>157444359
>You're talking about a bitch
>That anon was talking about a bitch

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What exactly was the point of even putting "romance" in this? She said she liked him he didn't understand her and they never touched that subject again.

Don't put shit like this in it if you are just gonna leave the audience blueballed in the end.

>>157438571
Ueno is best girl and she was right about literally everything. Suck it.

>>157438859
>happy end out of nowhere
It's not out of nowhere and it's not a happy end. It's bitter sweet.

>>157444554
Maybe even Ooima realized how fucking retardedly glorified redemption she'd make if she will end things on a kiss.

>>157444554
The romance isn't Shouya falling in love with Shouko, it's Shouya falling in love with the world.

>>157441149
No. Her, Ishida and Shouko were the only sympathetic characters in the story.

>>157444882
I can't sympathize with a guy who does things right only once life slaps him in the wrist.

>>157444554
>What exactly was the point of even putting "romance" in this?
They're teens. Teens get crushes on other teens. They're often one-sided or end up unfulfilled. It makes all the sense in the world.

>>157444554
I fucking hate romancefags. Kill yourself.

>>157444554
Gives a lot of insight into Shouko's character

>>157444974
You're probably as bad as Kawai IRL.
KYS.

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>>157445066
What makes you think your opinion matters? Cry somewhere else.

>>157445101
Fuck no I am ugly.

>>157445131
What makes you think your opinion matter faggot? Go find the nearest tree and hang yourself. L L S @ ur life.

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>>157445229
Now you are just embarrassing yourself.

>>157404361
How doesn't it make sense? Ishida bullied her daughter and caused 1.7 mil yen in damages. Of course it makes sense that she would remember him.

>>157445304
>pointing out your retort is self-defeating is somehow embarrassing for me
I see you're still breathing. Why waste oxygen?

>>157421457
The teachers let it happen because they are trying to teach shoko as if she were a normal student. That's why they let her in.

Not only that, but her mother pushed for that as well. That's why shoko was even going to a regular school instead of a special school.

The kids were bullies. Kids tend to do that in real life. We don't have to delve into ever single student to ask why they do what they do. Ueno, kawai, shimada, and ishida himself all bullied her in some way because they were trying to fit in with each other.

All this shit is in the manga.

Bullying is good. It separates the wheat from the chaff: gold is purified by fire, and iron sharpens iron. Weaklings should be encouraged to suicide. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

>>157446023
t. kid who was viciously bullied and became a typical /v/ cynic

Homo Dachi?

>>157444554
>What exactly was the point of even putting "romance" in this?
To make you bitch and whine and get frustrated at leaving Disney behind.

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>>157444554
I really hated that in both the manga and the movie.

The movie should have removed that whole scene completely and made their relationship completely platonic. By bringing up a romance subplot and just dropping it, it really reduces Nishimiya's character. If they really wanted to keep the whole thing in they should have let Nishimiya get out over her crush by having her see that Shouya's approach was not in an effort to romance her and sees him as a complete human and not as an idealized crush.

The manga is worse since they really push the romance by having the characters edge Shouya on to kiss her and they even go on a date. At the very end Shouya's mother even suggests him move to Tokyo with Shouko and he considers it only to backpedal at the last second and stay back home for no reason.

It wouldn't even be that bad if they didn't have to forcibly include them seeing each other again at the coming of age ceremony and awkwardly reference them flirting and giving no closure on what the fuck their plans were after that.

All that, couples with the fact that Nishimiya and Shoya don't have a scene alone at the end to give some closure on their relationship (both platonic and romantic) to give some closure at the end makes me wonder what even was the point of including a romance subplot to begin with.

>>157437807
>teleports behind u
>yell WAH into your ear
>pssh.. nothin personnel kid
>moon

>>157441719
Yeah, it wasn't subbed. Any relevant stuff they have the character's speak. Wanting anything else is autism.

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I hated Ueno in the manga but she was pretty based in the movie. They toned her general cuntishness and made her POV more understandable.

>>157446212
>t. tumblrina who doesn't even know what t. means
I was bullied and I bullied other kids in turn myself. It helped me grow as a person. Bullying is good.

>>157446430
Dude, she's a cute little deaf girl. She probably had a crush on Ishida and latched onto that. Not many young boys would have taken interest in her, but he sure did, even if in a negative way.

Then, assuming she was the blame, Ishida gets bullied for not taking all the blame for her bullying. She cleans his desk and shit, etc.

And then, out of nowhere. He appears out of nowhere and tries to return her precious notebook, which include both sad and happy memories for her. And to top it off, he's studied sign language to a conversational level just so he could properly communicate with her.

She clearly fell for him a fair bit during that scene. Maybe even she could fall in love and be somewhat normal. The main problem is Ishida think he's less than dogshit, and literally doesn't see romance between them. He sees atonement for his past sins and shit.

It's supposed to be tragic. He feels like he wronged her in the worst possible way and needs to make it up to her, and all she sees is a boy who picked on her in school and wants to make up and try to be proper friends this time.

>>157446430
No, that scene was great. Awkward stuff like that which goes nowhere happens often with teenagers. It was a nice touch that helped chisel-out Shouko's character.

>>157399003
She didn't even admit she was wrong in the end, just apologized for being rude
SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>157446430
The more details I read about the manga the more convinced I am that the film is better in almost every way. I was planning to read it at some point, guess I'll just skip it now.

>>157447206
This is a good post.

>>157447329
At least read the first few chapters. There's so much young Ishida suffering.

>>157447329

the manga is more scattershot but it still has good moments. The only thing I'm disappointed they cut was Nishimiya's dream about being normal and her staring at the ceiling afterwards

>>157447390
>There's so much young Ishida suffering.
I don't get off to seeing people suffer. I liked the approach in the film. It felt very true to real life and made every situation very relatable.

>>157447329
Manga's characters are more fleshed out, so it's really worth reading just for that. The beginning with young Shouya is really really good.

The main problem with the manga is the ending, which is exactly what gets in the movie version (for better).

>>157447602
Dude, the spectacle is worth it. I have never seen a little kid get so shit on just for existing.

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So, I can't be alone in thinking that had this been a TV series (or a longer film), it would've been better? The supporting cast really needed more of the spotlight and some of the scenes that were cut would've made the ending far more potent. Stuff like the inclusion of the funeral and grandmother was just sloppy. Granted, I loved the movie, but it would've been carried more power/meaning had I cared about half the cast in the final montage sequence within the film itself.

>>157447408
>Nishimiya's dream about being normal and her staring at the ceiling afterwards
I'm pissed this wasn't in the movie too. It's the best part of the whole manga.

>>157447408
I always wondered if that was her imaging being normal, or her imagining having different reaction to the teasing. I like to think it was latter and it helped grow to be a more assertive person and try be less passive.

>>157447602
It's not him being bullied by his peers. It's more about seeing how his personality and family situation would put him in situation where he would tease Nishimiya.

>>157447206
I like this interpretation, and would have liked a scene where Nishimiya sort of confirms and comes to terms to her flawed perspective of Shouya's intentions. It's just completely dropped midway through and feels completely unsatisfying.

>>157447408
I was really hoping to see this scene. I felt false hope when it started to go to the hazy dreamlike state during the hospital part only for her to just wake up and run outside.

>>157447329
The film is far better, it's not even close. It's not just about the plotlines. It's the way the editing, the sound design and cinematography bring tangible meaning to "The Shape of Voice" and the struggles of youth and how the impressionistic lighting/colors and character acting convey the emotions of the characters way better than the drawings in the manga. An example of this is when manga tries to be visceral through brute force and in-malleable lineart while the anime does so through muted sounds or quiet ambient music and ends up reflecting the core of the story much better.

>>157447670
I didn't quite understand the ending.
So did they ever hook up? Did his ex friend become a trans?

>>157415454
No, you are a shit, Herkz. Nii-sama did good work with editing it, collecting all used fonts and uploading it with 1080p video. If anyone is wondering, it'd probably the best and most faithful option. 35mm is a localized commie-like crap.

>>157448052
>removing honorifics
>commie-crap

>>157447916
We never find out.

>>157394175
KIDS ARE CRUEL, JACK

Help I can't watch seasonal anime anymore after experiencing this film. The aesthetics are too uninspired.

>>157444554
Ishida asks her to help him to continue to live on the bridge. How much more do you want?

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I have a lot of issues with this show, but in the first place, why wasn't Shouko in a special ed class? Didn't the school have a special ed class, judging by pic related, or am I missing something? How irresponsible of the adults to allow such a thing to happen.

>>157448496
I've had nothing but this film on my mind for since it dropped. Watched the Aim for the Ace and finished Ashita no Joe 2, couldn't even care cause all I was thinking of was Koe no Katachi. Seen it twice since the bluray came out, want to watch it again when subs are out.

>>157448840
Mother pressured the school to include her girl because she wanted her to be as "normal" as possible. Since Shouko wasn't completely deaf (she can still hear a little) they gave it a shot.

So many stupid replies from people that didnt understand the movie and have no clue about direction or animation. A bunch of edgy teenagers talking about muh cartoons without any knowledge. Its laughable.

>>157449345
The movie butchered a lot of things. A lot of characters are different or completely pointless.

What I took from the movie is that some people never change (ueno, kawai) and some do (ishida).

>>157449750
No, im glad the movie focused on the two main duo only and cut the movie arc and romance shit. I could care less about the side characterrs. The mange felt quite boring for me, but I enjoyed the movie much more. its a story from Shouya's POV.

"Clements: As a 7 volumes manga, you can’t choose to adapt every event. What particular elements did you want to focus on in your adaptation?

Yamada: It was the story of the protagonist Ishida Shouya, that’s what I wanted to tell. Obviously he did something deplorable, but there’s also hope and redemption."

>>157443570
>Mio design archetype

>>157399003
Literally a bitch who didnt even redeem herself in the end.

Worst girl of the series by far

>>157450177
Literally innocent

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>>157450520
Literally the first to bully her in the movie.
Watch her set her up.

>>157450878
How dare you accuse her? If anyone's guilty of bullying it's you.

>>157451022
Is that you Kawai?

>>157451229
h-hidoi

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>>157399003
Reminder
>while Ishida in hospital

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>>157451342
I have no idea how someone can hate Ueno who really become better person in the end and actually was right all the time

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Alright boys, let's decide:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13006189

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BAKA

>>157451474
Koe no Katachi has left a big impression on me but I feel too strongly about K-On to vote one way or the other

>>157451417
Because Ueno "becoming a better person" happened after a timeskip, and she just showed herself as being a decent person, not particularly a good one attempting to right her wrongs.

Kawai was a double-faced, manipulative, lying piece of shit, but Ueno was on a level that she even justified her own actions, and blamed Nishimiya for getting bullied. Kawai at least tried to pretend she was decent, which shows she acknowledges the bullying was wrong.

Many people want to be soft on Ueno because she's hot (and she indeed is), but as a person she's garbage.

>>157451474
I can't really vote.
For one, I cannot divide K-On by seasons or movie. I see it as a whole.

As far as visuals go, KnK is better as it's a newer work.

On the other hand, K-On is by far the easiest work to become attached to (at least to me), since it's a longer work (39 episodes, 2 OVAs and 1 movie), and thus it allows viewers to establish a solid connection with the characters.

I find Tamako Market as just forgettable.

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>>157451931
>Kawai at least tried to pretend she was decent
Hello Kawai.

>>157452177
>As far as visuals go, KnK is better as it's a newer work.
That's not how it works. Anime is not so mechanical and artless. Koe no Katachi "looks better" because Yamada has stylistically and ideologically progressed / improved as a filmmaker.

>>157452269
Uhhh... You do know what "pretend" means, right?
My point wasn't that she was actually decent (because she was a piece of shit), but that she just tried to project that image, in order for the people around her to think she was a cute and likeable girl.

Also, the pic you posted of Ueno is one from the second to last chapter, and as I said, she simply presented herself as decent, hardly any remorse for what she did to Nishimiya, but sad for having to let go of the guy she likes.

>>157452355
That's what I meant... Yamada has improved over time, and it's been 8 years since the first season of K-On aired.
So, not only has Yamada got better, the tools they use for animation are probably better as well.

Anyone else find it insulting they way the subbers translated Shouko's dialogue into broken English?
It felt like they were making fun of her and almost ruined some serious moments.

>>157453595
Depends how easy it is to understand her for native speakers I think

>>157453595
I wanted to edit it firstly, but then I had no idea how to do it.
I don't think that translators wanted to insult her or something. It sounds just like this.

>>157453595
I haven't watched it with subs, but I think it's okay to translate broken Japanese into broken English. Have you heard a deaf person speak English before? It's weird, not something to make fun of but it's still weird.

>>157448132
Removing honorifics was one of many bad movements of 35mm. 35mm is a translation for complete normalfags, nice for a shitty dub or something. You don't even know how many things were lost in their translation.
Yes. It's definitely commie-like subbing, crap for normalfags.

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Today I will remind them

>>157398267
I hope she dies and eats shit like she deserves.

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>>157398433

>>157454131
Kawai pls

>>157454075
post moar.

The art is really good.

>>157451931
>Kawai at least tried to pretend she was decent, which shows she acknowledges the bullying was wrong.
No she doesn't. She acknowledges that others view bullying as wrong and it would reflect badly on her to show otherwise. Kawai is a fucking psychopathic bitch.

>>157453302
>all that backpedaling
Now I see why you'd write apologetics for Kawai.

>>157398433
>normie show
what?

Just watched it again on BD, definitely the most kino movie produced by Kyoani hands down.

>>157456859
Now its not anymore KyoAni otaku pandering show. Now its a normie show!! Haha laughable arguments from pathethic people. They always find something to complain about. Pathethic. It hurts that even normal people can appreciate KyoAni works, right?
KyoAni is the best studio.

>>157449345
Your reply changed my life.

>>157453595
>It felt like they were making fun of her and almost ruined some serious moments.
No. It was like that in the manga and it was fine.

>>157459209
The manga needed to express her speech impediment in some way.

In the movie the impediment is heard from her voice, it is not necessary for the subtitles to indicate that also.