Previous threads: >>157377210
Reminder of the rules: we are ranking characters in accordance with how much they suffered and how much they deserved it. If you want to add a character to the chart, just name them, post their image and point to where they should be in the chart like this:
What needs to happen is we need to find characters who fit all the empty spots. That's a bit of a harder job, but it can be done. Wrack your brains everyone for who might be a good candidate for those empty slots.
I'll wait for a while and if no one disagrees, I'll include these changes. Keep in mind however that we should be looking to fill the blanks right now.
Where do you suggest I put him?
Also, forgot to mention. If you want a character moved, please point to where it is. It saves me the trouble of searching.
No, and I don't think he deserves to be that high on the list either. He just saw his village burned down and his sister getting raped, although the 85 line is a clusterfuck (why the fuck is Kumagawa that high?)
Is she on the chart? If not, how much does she deserve?
Alright, I'll move those characters down since no one objected. Please suggest a spot.
Goblin Slayer has been removed until the situation is sorted out.
S:85 seems to be too much.
I temporarily removed Seto Kaiba. I'll add him back once you decide where to move him.
Good point. Shinji has been moved up.
Do you have a suggestion?
I think Megumeme needs to be moved down.
Also, move Polnareff up. He lost pretty much all of his friends and turned into a fucking turtle by the end of Part 5. Maybe swap the two?
I think the space left open by Lelouch if it is moved per my suggestion is perfect for GS. Lelouch was kind of a dick and was manipulative.
Subaru didn't suffer as much as Angra Mainyu, not yet. Moved one notch down.
Here's the argument for Megumin: >>157316180
I think it does give her the right to that spot, but I also agree that Polnareff should be above her. I'll do something.
Put this guy to the left of Kumagawa. His attempt at killing an omnipotent goddess backfired on his face so hard that he ended up getting a fuckton of people killed and is partially responsible for half of the world's problems. If fucking up wasn't enough, said goddess became an yandere that gets off to his suffering and boy, it sure is a lot of suffering.
S: 30 D: 40?
Trying to fill in empty spaces.I mean he's died multiple times, and often low on wulong.
Shouldn't Aqua's S be about equal to her D?
Whenever she does something stupid she almost immediately gets punished for it
Someone in a previous thread said that the guy from Ranma didn't suffer that much, so I switched him with Polnareff.
I'll add him if you give me a better pic.
I'll include some of these changes in the next update.
Yeah, I think Shinji's too high on the D scale as well. He's 14 and traumatized, he didn't do anything in life that deserves being dragged into NERV's fuckery.
Once he was employed he made questionable decisions, but by that time his suffering had already begun.
Unless we're talking about Rebuild Shinji, which is an entirely different can of worms.
I think it's the combination of how she dies with how she lived her life, where the one moment she escaped her obsession with revenge is the moment she's killed. It's tragic which is a different kind of suffering I guess. but yeah I wouldn't object for her suffering being lower. point is her deserve is ludicrously high.
I didn't move Akane yet because some anons disagreed with moving her in the previous threads. If you explain why, I'll do it.
Discuss it with >>157390521 and >>157390960
Other changes: Togame has been moved next to Tanya, Kaiba has been moved next to NHKman.
no he shouldn't, subaru has suffered but he sits nicely in the 80's for his constant suffering, and apart from experiencing death like every week, he has only experienced 1 major loss, which is the blue potato. he also kinda deserves it for being a sperg and an asshole at times.
Is Hei in there already?
If not, S:70 D:60 seems about right.
Alright, I am going to have to make this argument from scratch then.
Panty deserves to be moved according to my original suggestion, as she's a cunt. Stocking is on the same level as her but she's also a murderous demon, so she should be further on the right.
Once again, Akane is a sadistic person that hurt people for funsies. Anons complained because she was 100 on the scale and that's excessive, but I do think my placement is fair.
Subaru shouldn't be on par with Angra Mainyu, he should be lower. Angra suffered through all Subaru suffered through, AND THEN SOME. Except he doesn't come back to life and has kawaii uguu waifus that suck his cock.
I agree with you, but it's tricky. I mean 2 rows lower you have Slaine who is also the kind of tragic character, he suffers a lot and loses everything to save a girl and then he's blamed for trying assassinate her.
>getting separated from her sister when she was 7-8ish
>her former boss treated her and her former team like dogs
>even more drugs
>physical and mental scars galore during the manga, damaged brain
>all of her comrades and friends are dead (minus husbando)
>paid a moderately big toll at the end of the manga
60-65 is more than accurate.
>Except he doesn't come back to life and has kawaii uguu waifus that suck his cock.
but he doesn't anon, his waifu became a potato and his other waifu is retarded by like 100 years
yeah I'm fine with her position beside Tanya I guess. the other thing is that all of the bad things Togame did can be directly traced to her watching her father get murdered in her childhood, which muddles her later responsibility a bit.
All requested changes have been included.
We're not removing characters anymore, sorry.
I was sure he was, but can't find him. Can anyone confirm?
Can you two explain your choices?
>he doesn't come back to life and has a chance to undo his past mistakes while Angra has been swallowed by nothingness and that's fucking it.
wow anon you're right, they're totally in the same boat.
Kiara Sessyoin is a sick girl who grows in a secluded community of sex crazed fanatics. She's very sick and her only respite from the animalistic orgies she witnesses comes from a H.C. Andersen book. She summons him as his servant in the Moon Cell Grail War but the author is disgusted by her. She gets rejected by the person she idealizes the most.
She also tried to hijack the Moon Cell Automaton in order to destroy humanity, which she sees as simply being lust-driven insects because of her upbringing.
>>he doesn't come back to life and has a chance to undo his past mistakes
he comes back to life to find that his checkpoint is at the point where he finds out his waifu is a fucking potato and nobody remembers her.
im gonna keep arguing for subaru to remain on the 80s since okabe rintaro also had to sit through his waifu dying, but he still had a happy ending, saved both his waifus and he is STILL ABOVE SUBARU
85 suffering because she is turned into a thing that can only feel pain by her father, dies because of it, she was practically dead when she was found and described as "someone who had never known happiness"
85 deserving because she asked her father to do make her into something that can only feel pain
I have read the reference material, so you don't need to bring it up. My only proposed adjustment is for subaru to move in the 85 which is just ONE STEP below Angra, and I think it's acceptable.
Isn't Punpun way too fucking high? No way he suffered the same as Subaru and the other people in that row.
Does Yuno really deserve 100? She was completely willing to die for Yuki and ended up doing just that. Certainly she's not worse than Nui, who was an unrepentant sadist. I would also not put Lelouch on the same "deserved" level as Light, as Lelouch's goals were far more noble and he actually gave a damn about those under him.
but isn't he on the 80's? what the fuck, this argument has come down. i thought you wanted subaru to be lower than the 80's because angra is there.
whatever, i haven't read through angra's source material but hope you get your boy up where he needs to be.
Accepted. I can't find a decent pic, though, and she seems to have several sprites so please post one.
You can suggest for a character to be moved, and if you have a good enough reason, I'll do it.
I think we should lower the suffering a bit. How about 75?
Where should I move Togame?
Chirico is in the 85S row to the right of Okabe.
I think we should lower the suffering a bit. How about 75?
Where do you suggest I move her?
Where do you suggest I move Light?
Consider switching Guts and Angra around, I think it'd be more fair like that. Also given what >>157391399 said Punpun really needs to move lower.
the 75 suff 85 deserve spot is already filled with kiritsugu, but I think that she suffered more than FMA nina, as she turned into a dog for about a day and then was given a swift death
another pic if u want to choose a different one
You should also note that she got fucked up several times before that.
Lower deserving to around 40 because she was manipulated and brainwashed practically, she just loved her papa.
Added. Also switched Guts and Angra.
Alright, let's settle with 80 then.
I've finished the UC. I think he does deserve that spot, but other anons might disagree.
She's already been moved on the D scale.
yeah but hanekawa was mostly stress, and she did try to kill people and actually killed people, you could argue that it was the influence of the cat but she is still a bit at fault, i'd say if she gets in there she should be lower than snek and on 50D
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind the chick from the girl who leapt through time? Sure she should have cheated on tests and used a power she happened upon without realizing the consequences, but she's not a murderer.
he suffers a lot more in S2 and especially the ovas in between. only question imo is how much he deserved it: his treatment of suou in S2 is probably the worst thing he does, followed by his treatment of yin at the start of s1.
Where is Ikutsuki?
I also think 100 should be reserved for those who experienced some kind of eternal suffering. Guts would probably be better right below Angra.
Squealer is too low on deserving.
He manipulated others, removed parts of the brain of his queen/mother and turned her into a breeding machine, started a war which killed thousands of his own kind, forced a human girl and boy to breed and then killed them while raising their child as a pet and murderweapon.I don't think he should be below Char.
>Where do you suggest I move her?
She certainly didn't suffer more than Ed or Kurosawa.
There's no good place to put Hanekawa without removing some of the literall whos, but I don't want to step on any toes.
Who is that yaoi lookin fag in b/w next to Luluco and would anyone miss him?
Did the kid from Bokurano really deserve that much? I mean, he was a bit of a jerk, but he was just a depressed 13 years old kid that definitely didn't deserve that much. Then again, the whole left side of the pic is already crowded, so you can only move him one square at this point.
>Light suffering less than Tomoko and as much as Kuroneko
That's just not right, but okay for Yuno.
S0 D60 is already taken, please choose somewhere else.
We're not removing characters anymore, but you can ask for them to be moved.
I don't know, the morality of what Squealer did is really tricky to me. If you're living under the threat of violent oppression and are treated like an animal, is it wrong to violently rebel against that system?
The biggest indictment of him is that his war killed a lot of innocents, but even that is morally ambiguous to me given the way the power dynamic between queerrats and humans is set up. seems pretty complicated.
regardless though the central problem I have with raising his deserve rating is that the things he did were no worse than what humanity has done to queer rats, but his punishment is far more severe than anything a human ever receives. It's disproportionate.
As the person who proposed Kiara, in hindsight this place fits her better. (other suggestions are not mine.)
Let's focus on adding characters now.
I think he deserves more than people like Genthru or Hisoka tho
That's too low considering the other characters in those rows. I don't remember how snake suffered, maybe she should move up, but Hanekawa should be higher than that. I mean, the fucking fag from Hyouka is higher than that.
You should consider removing some of the nobodies once spots are filled if there are high profile characters that aren't on it. First come first serve isn't really fair, and a lot of these characters are too unknown for most of us to make proper judgements on their placement.
But for now let's try putting Hanekawa under Neferpitou. Here's another image if you don't like the first one.
Lower Slaine's deserving.
>didn't kill civilians
>tried talking to the emperor to end the war
>didn't know that the princess was in that room in episode 12
>shot Inaho just because the guy pointed a gun at him
>couldn't magically end the war because he was a Terran in the Vers army and had to balance between his wishes and theirs
>never got a trial and got the punishment for the sins of another man
My bad, I forgot.
I know I said that we should focus on adding characters, but there's already a lot of Naruto and JoJo characters. We wouldn't want the chart to be filled with them.
Griffith suffered an awful lot.
Except he directly resulted in the princess getting shot because he was helping a man who he knew wanted to kill her. Inaho didn't point a gun at him either, he was trying to help the princess. He then goes on outright betray everything the princess stood for, even after she wakes up and tells him to back off. It's his own damn fault he got NTR'd.
I would move him from 90,40 to 100,60 or atleast 95 in suffering. In the 7th volume of novel he just couldn't suffer more. He was locked in repetetive world where he was forced to commit countless suicides in countless ways to escape from it, next, when he was left with no choice, he decided to kill all inhabitants of this repetetive world, including all his friends and family, and after that, which did not saved him, he spent many years in solitude which made him lose his mind and and he suffers through these for 400000 days untill he finally escapes just to live in his mindless state in the real world. I put him on high deserve coz IT was his decision to sloughter everyone and he could just live in repetetive world without any recognition of those repetetions, and also becouse of the actions he took in the previous volumes
Is izaya up there yet? If not, D100, S65
He's literally the most despicable anime character I've ever seen, solely because the only reason he acts like a dickstick is because he likes being a dickstick. He caused the main conflict of the first season by
stealing celty's head [/anime] and his antics in season 2 ended up causing shit for virtually every other character.
The amount of ass beating Shizuo finally gave him was simply not enough
>I could only lower him by one spot.
I'll take what I can.
>Except he directly resulted in the princess getting shot because he was helping a man who he knew wanted to kill her.
Except he didn't know that they would crash into the room where the princess is. Except Saazbaum was wounded and wasn't supposed to get out of his mech in a few seconds, but that's an asspull. Except the first thing he does when he gets out of his mech is say "The count..." and doesn't just ignore that Saaz is still a danger.
>Inaho didn't point a gun at him either, he was trying to help the princess.
He did. Slaine tells him to move away from the princess and Inaho points a gun at him, Slaine shoots him after Inaho threatens him. Plus Inaho is the reason why Slaine got tortured. Rewatch the episode.
>He then goes on outright betray everything the princess stood for, even after she wakes up and tells him to back off.
Except again, he was a Terran and the Vers hated him. He was already suspicious to them (which is why they sent Klancain to investigate) if he suddenly said they should make peace with Earth he'd get killed.
Added because he's already been suggested before.
Can I ask what happened to him?
I mean that Ciel was just a kid picked up from a french town: Griffith's torture was the progressive stripping away of his ambition and this grand plan he had, along with his body. Ciel's torture is undeniably worse though, I'm just saying there's a different emotional element to Griffith's than there is to Ciel's.
Hell no he hasn't suffered basically anything apart from "almost" dying once (and Jin would have intervened if he say him actually dying). If anything he's more around S20 D15
The only Nina that's close to Light.
Yui was removed because a lot of anons bitched about her. She won't be put back in, because all the low suffering low deserve spots are taken.
He could have and should have taken the opportunity to kill Saazbaum when he made it clear that he had every intention of assassinating Asseylum.
He didn't need to say anything; he could have let the princess speak for herself. He wanted to win the war for his own selfish reasons.
Because if he gave the extremes away to the first person to request a placement there they'd all be gone first and most of them would be unmerited, and then you'd be here complaining about how shitty the graph is
You're taking this seriously? I mean it's a good and fun idea by OP but you shouldn't really care too much. People have different tastes, interpretations and most have only seen/read a fraction of the series in the graph.
Hard to take some of these seriously, when:
1) Sasuke is placed only halfway up the Suffering axis; and
2) the extent to which he deserved it is at max
I get it-- /a/ hates Naruto as a whole, and probably hates Sasuke the most out of every other character. But that shouldn't be influencing a chart like this.
Question: At what point in the story did Sasuke endure the most suffering, in the shortest amount of time? Don't bother thinking too hard-- it was when he was still innocent, and far to young to have pissed off everyone who hates him today.You mean to tell me he deserved that shit?
You're abusing your 20/20 hindsight Sharingan.
>He could have and should have taken the opportunity to kill Saazbaum when he made it clear that he had every intention of assassinating Asseylum.
Yeah, but what then? If he kills Saaz then he has nobody on Vers side to help him, they'd shoot him on the spot. He doesn't know that the UFE are his allies, because after he helped them he got shot down and wasn't even taken hostage, that eventually led to his torture. He had a split second to decide between killing Inaho, Saaz or both and killing Inaho would cost him the least.
>He didn't need to say anything; he could have let the princess speak for herself.
Except she was in a coma for 2 years, and after that it was already too late to suddenly do a 180. And by all means, the war shouldn't just have stopped because Asseylum said pretty please. The politicians on both sides were corrupt and she only succeeded because the emperor died and everyone thought Asseylum is the only one who can use Aldnoah. Slaine could have revealed Lemrina's existence to the world, but that would have only caused more war and suffering, he chose to kill himself instead.
Did anyone put lordgenome up?
I don't see him, and he'd be a great fit for D40;S90, or anywhere in that line of blanks, depending on how much you hate him for the genocide thing
The 85 row is full of characters that went through some kind of time loops and others that never had good lives such as Chirico or Guts, so I'm not sure 85 fits Meliodas well. He should probably be lower.
Someone asked for her to be in, so she's in. Besides, she has an anime.
From SNK? Where is he on the chart?
Forgive my visual impairment, but I still can't find her. Just tell me where she is and I'll do all the changes you requested.
Everything wrong with Spike's life is due to his past as a career killer for the mob, and his own unwillingness to let go. He manufactures his own unhappiness, that was the whole point of >you're gonna carry that weight
Thank you. That picture for ants is the reason I couldn't find her. I replaced it with a more fitting one.
No, meme requests will not be accepted.
>because after he helped them he got shot down
He attempted to shoot Inaho first.
>the war shouldn't just have stopped because Asseylum said pretty please
That's basically what actually happened, supplemented by marrying this literal who that has had nothing to do with the plot.
Reimu was added, and I request explanations for extremes unless I know the character very well or many anons agree.
Her D value used to be lower, but then I was asked to move her down and all the left spots were taken.
You know this just shows the bias of the anon who suggested it.
50 was more than enough for Akane.
This should be right for Akane. This was a show in every character was a scum, it was just that she was the top scum and even then she didn't force anyone to do something they didn't want to do . She used others for sex but was used herself too and she was fully aware of this fact. She also had some psychological issues and it can be said that she was suffering the whole time too (that was what her character arc was for) .She is a character which pretty much divides the fan-base( some hate her and some love her), so in my opinion a more balanced rating like i suggested would be appropriate for her character.
>He attempted to shoot Inaho first.
Alright, but the forced misunderstanding was still retarded and Inaho didn't take him hostage to question him. Why should he expect help from UFE as a Vers soldier and after everything he went through? Saving Inaho and hoping for the best and not another misunderstanding would have been retarded.
>That's basically what actually happened, supplemented by marrying this literal who that has had nothing to do with the plot.
That + the things I said, the emperor was dead and she was the only one with Aldnoah. Until that point from Vers perspective she was leading the war.
65 deserving is ok, even though it's silly that he deserved more than he suffered when he's already stuck in prison for the rest of his life, lost everything and everyone hates him.
>>Can I ask what happened to him?
He is the 15 year old MC of a shonen manga named World Trigger. Despite that he is among the top 5 legit weakest characters unlike other Shonen MCs who are weak but have a secret power up. Gets bullied constantly. Loses constantly. He has a friend (Yuma) from another world who is an orphan and is on the verge of death. This friend has had only one other friend (Replica) for like 4 years before meeting MC. This MC sacrifices Replica to save another friend (chika) of his. In this process he almost dies and is in a coma for more than two weeks. chika's brother puts the responsibility of taking care of chika (who is a hot target for enemies) on this MC before leaving to another world. so his constant suffering is because of him taking responsibility for replica's death and promising yuma that he'd take him to the other world and promising chika that he'd find her brother in the other world. All this seems quite high for a regular setting.
Looks like I had a brain fart.
Added in the 65S row as requested.
You can suggest a character to switch her with.
This analysis is bullshit and Satan trips confirm you're playing the devil's advocate. She did what she did out of pure sadism, you're not taking into account all the people who suffered because of her actions and just focusing on her sex partner. Psychological issues HARDLY warrant a 30 rating, just compare it to the sakurasou girl in the same row.
You're full of shit, mate.
No, it starts at 0 and ends at 100. OP chose not to make it 100x100 because that would be impossible to complete, so each square is a range of 5 consecutive numbers. You have graphed before, yes?
Can you elaborate?
You two sort this out, then I'll consider moving Akane.
Yes, OP said last thread better pictures will be added too.
The issue is that they are squares between the values and not points directly corresponding to the number. So the character is not at 5, but between 5 and 10. I think that's what they meant.
Please, Osamu only gets bullied because he's trying to compete well above his actual level. He is really weak but has really high goals. He also gets help by a lot of people who have no obligation whatsoever to do so, it doesn't really qualify as bullying. He is not even suffering that much, most of the time he is just working hard to improve, sometimes having fun with his friends and sometimes suffering becuase he is helpless/weak. Nobody has even died around him (one friend abducted but if the manga goes on long enough chances are he will find him), he should never be above S50. More like 35 at most compared to other characters on the chart.
But why? Lain's suffering was at most a 40 due to the realization about her family. Can't see her anywhere besides 5 or 10 deserved, she did literally nothing wrong(remember, other-lain is not lain)
This is kinda true but what he did was not actually what he wanted to do. He's actually being manipulated by a guy who can see the future. So he's being forced to make choices that weren't even a result of his actions. It's like saving one friend vs another and he chooses his friend over the newer one's companion (the orphan who's going to die any second) without a second thought. And he's perpetually roasted for his weak skills and what a weakling he is. unfortunately there isn't an empty slot at the right suffering level imo. and if suffering is relative to the series they are in then 85 seems about right for osamu.
Yuma is going to die any second now and Osamu sacrificed Replica who was Yuma's closest friend. The guilt is way too high for a guy who even helps his bullies. His new teammate doesn't respect him. Chika's brother lied to him and left Chika (who doesn't care about her life) in his care. To protect a girl who's willing to throw away her life and to ensure his team actually goes to the neighbourhood to help his dying friend and Chika is a big burden for a 15 year old.
I seem to remember she was involved in some kind of timeline fuckery although I can't remember the specifics, so probably.
Only 50 spots left.
> pure sadism
Anon there was sadism but if you think it was pure sadism and not in part because of her psychological issues then there is no use trying to discuss things with you.
>taking into account all the people who suffered because of her actions.
That's why the deserved is at 50. People exaggerate a lot, it was just relationships and even then she didn't force anyone to do something he or she didn't want to do.
>This analysis is bullshit and Satan trips confirm you're playing the devil's advocate.
You do hate her character a lot don't you.
Where's Okabe, I know he's gotta be there somewhere.
If not, S95;D40
I know you're not into removing characters, but that background ugly from Aku no Hana in S35, D15 should really go. He's not really even a character. He's like the MC's no-name friend that has no impact on the story.
>She then shatters the boundary between the third and second worlds with a mallet, reuniting with Yukiteru, and they fulfill their promise to go stargazing together.
She got a happy ending though and didn't lose any limbs or organs.
If it's just a meme pick, then I'll make an exception. I'm sure the other OP would be okay with it.
I think we decided that the character's current state doesn't nullify their past.
I haven't finished Nagi no Asukara, so could you explain?
There was a long debate about Okabe already. He's fine where he is.
Maybe we can move him to :
Along with his sibling they were lab rats where they did experiences on them , later on he was saved and lived with a foster mother until someone came , burn thier house killed his mom , he's Brother went nuts stabbed and cut his arm and his sister were kidnapped and toutred , he had to replace his arm with some demonic arm that cause him terrible pain like everyday , became terrorist and rebel against the whole world thus the whole world was after his ass and got beat up a LOT during the series to save his sister and claim revange until he descover his sis is beyond saving later people blame him for his very existence because the god fucked him up and in the end he was forced to Erase his very existence from the world
>If it's just a meme pick, then I'll make an exception. I'm sure the other OP would be okay with it.
Maybe Nakamura could be added though. How about S15, D55. She was kind of a cunt.
I apologize if I'm blind, but is Ilya on there?
Like i said her character divides the fan-base (some love her and some hate her) , so a more balanced view on her character would be more appropriate.
She was a horrible person, no one is denying that fact( although the show was full of cunts who were cunts to each other) but it would be a lie to say that she herself was not suffering at the same time. Of course that doesn't justify her actions but her character does develop greatly and she becomes a better person or less malevolent at the end.
Can you elaborate on him?
Someone already asked me to do the opposite. Who's Ali?
Don't think she's there.
Don't know, sorry.
Looking at the other characters in that row, I think that's too low.
Then explain why makoto deserves 100 when he's much more innocent than Akane is (fucked over by circumstances).
Akane was at 95 and now she's been moved down a whole lot. She's perfectly where she needs to be.
A lot of people suffered because of her, mainly other women. Stop considering only her boytoys.
Suffering 30 is flat-out bullshit, take a good hard look at the other people on level 30 and revise your preposterous opinions.
I think D75,S75 would work better
Instead of calling people reddit at least counter my god damn arguments because the last two threads after quoting my shit you haven't repled why he isn't on the same tier as Angra Mainyu after stating mine.
He's gotten shot, bludgeoned, ambushed, hunted by the yakuza, construction equipment dropped on his waifu, etc. All because izaya hates him for being strong. Of course, his responses make the continued feud at least partially deserved
I've been getting this nagging feeling that Ichimatsu deserves it more than that, but most of the sextuplets do. Todomatsu is a particularly terrible human, so him being on the chart is understandable, but seeing Ichi on there and not the obvious Osomatsu, and seeing him so low on the deserves scale makes me think there was some husbandofagging involved.
None of the Matsu should be low on the deserved scale, since they are all NEET with appaling personalities who ruin the lives of those around them. That's the joke of the show. Ichi is like mid-terrible among his brothers. I'd move him (S15, D10) at least over to D30 on the same row.
where would you place a former child soldier that at one point (while still not 18 yet) had to kill a child in order to flee an assassination? cuz that was quite literally the only bad thing he ever did. the almost molesting casca thing is a whole different story. (may not have gotten all the ages right in this but close enough) not gonna tell you where to put other characters but gattsu had a hard life
Does Yuuko deserve the top left spot? I always considered Angra Mainyu the definition of suffering without cause. He literally became a personification of human hate and pain for no reason other than others decided it.
Etheldreda spends an unfathomable amount of eternities trapped in the infinite universes Nyarlathotep created in the Klein Bottles. With each iteration of Nyarlathotep's universes ending with her being reminded that her love for Master Therion will never be returned, since the only thing he cares about is his duels with Kurou, hoping that the current eternity will be the one where Kurou becomes the ultimate good that can wield the other Shining Trapezohedron and allow them to release the Court of Azathoth, which would effectively allow the evil gods to reclaim all of creation.
She also probably gets raped by Nyarlathotep in most of those universes, since it happened in the iteration that the first Demonbane VN takes place in.
Added him anyway since two anons agreed.
I'd like to add him, but putting him in the same row as Mewtwo doesn't feel right. Then again, Ace is there, so he's added until someone objects with a good reason, I guess.
I moved him to 100S.
Let me read your posts.
Going from what you've said, it does sounds like that character suffered, but 85 is too high. I would place him at around 60S, but only one spot remains and it's the 100D one.
>Someone already asked me to do the opposite. Who's Ali?
He is the guy below Kirisugu. He was a terrorist, and personally recruited and trained children to fight a war for/with. He also did his absolutely best to extend or worsen the war as much as possible, including using bombers in random countries. And the worst of all is that he did all that not because he has some deep belief or was wronged in any way, he just really loves killing people. Thinking more about it, I believe that he deserves a D100 spot.
Who is she and what did she do?
Fair enough, how much suffering? Also, I moved Marida back to where she was since Guts isn't filling that spot anymore.
>Can you elaborate on him?
He is from Hokuto no Ken. Long story short, he forced thousands of children to make a huge pyramid to serve as tomb for his dead master. A lot of the children died in the process, and he killed anyone that dared to try and stop the madness.
Kitahara from Onani Master Kurosawa. She's basically the MC from Watamote but cruel instead of pathetic. She's mistreated by the girls in her class and recruits the MC to masturbate on their gym clothes, school bags, etc. When he gets cold feet she threatens to expose him and ends up transferring to a new school with no serious consequences, hinting she won't be so maladjusted.
I disagree. He suffered more, but deserved as much as he got. I'd put him at S:35, D:55
He has been on the verge of death thrice and his sole intentions are to help everyone but he is truly powerless in every sense. He even wants to help people who bully him but he can't. He wants to save everybody but he is forced to sacrifice people for that cause. To mention other things that add to his suffering, the entire blame for a massive attack on his city was put on him and him alone. The reason stated for blaming him is that he unknowingly gave the enemy information about their tech when in reality he was protecting a school from said attack. This causes everyone to see him in a villanous light and he is forced to defend himself against a horde of reporters. This event happens merely hours after he wakes up from his coma and he's just 15 years old. Please reconsider OP. The suffering is really high.
Moved to D90.
Both Kurosawa and Kitahara are added.
Submitting better picture for Osamu Mikumo (S75,D35) Thank you based OP.
Dutiful soldier gets his both his testicles destroyed by ungrateful MC and has to hide it from his fiance. Also fails his mission because he could never defeat the protagonist because Kon never plays clean.
Where the fuck were you when we were discussing? Every time there is a conclusion you appear and say he deserves 30. I would've liked to see you take the blame for 9/11 when you were 15 to see if your suffering would've been 30 or 75.
Do you have a better pic?
That sounds painful, but 90 is too high.
Is this fine gentleman on the board yet
She spends over ten billion subjective years time-traveling to save her friend without asking for her opinion, and commits mass murder and child abuse along the way.
I was just about to request her as well, though at Deserved: 65 and Suffered: 90
After her best friend dies, she uses a power she recently obtained which allows her to communicate and share a mental connection with versions of herself from other timelines. She relives timeline after timeline trying to change fate only for the same outcome to occur. Where this premise is as far as Re:Zero and Steins;Gate go, the MC here forms a collective hivemind of herself and vows to save her at any cost. She throws away her personal identity and lives her life thousands of times over, becoming everything from an altruistic paragon of humanity to a ruthless tyrant looking for any timeline where she can keep her friend alive.
Alternate image if you care.
Sorry i am not the one who suggested makoto should be at 100.
>She's perfectly where she needs to be
Can argue if her suffering was 30 or not but this is bias.
>A lot of people suffered because of her, mainly other women. Stop considering only her boytoys.
I was talking about both men and women. Again no one is denying what a cunt she was but at the end of the day she didn't force anyone, she didn't blackmail other people, she used other people but was used herself also and she was aware of this fact. And again people exaggerate a lot, it was just relationships and men who slept with her wanted her so we can't even put all of the blame on her. Not to mention she had psychological issues and they were in part responsible for her despicable activities. Of course these things still doesn't justify her actions and that's why i put the deserved at 50 (where it should be in my opinion).
Again you do hate her character a lot don't you.
You can say she was suffering from existential crisis or something. It was like being in constant depression.
>Natural born psychopath who abused and tormented innocent people throughout her entire life and died without a single trace of guilt.
>Sentenced to a hell like dimension for an eternity. Her only consolation is that her childhood friend chooses to stay with her and possibly redeem her.
Added. I think I'll stop here for today.