On the last episode >>157315129
We're going to fill up this chart one way or another. Changes, additional characters and more.
We are doing this sketch with paint and when everyone is happy with the slots we will put it on a polished version.\
If you want to change a character's position give a good reason why you want to change it.
To add a character just post the image and point to where it should be in the chart like this:
Proposal: Put casshern a bit higher, considering that he's basically an estranged loner who bears the weight of having destroyed the world and everything he holds dear.
Rem deserves to be higher too, her existence was fucking erased.
Rurushu should be lower in my opinion, his only saving grace is how much he suffered before becoming immortal. Same to Suzaku, I am really trying not to put anyone above 50 if they haven't died at the very least.
I'll probably notice that something is off and come back later like a faggot anyway.
I'll say it again, Takeru deserves to be on S as high as 80 at the very least. The dude saw civilization be destroyed several times, got literal PTSD from suffering, tried to go back to his world to see how he was fucking everything up there and went on a suicidal mission to be able to go back, having to see all of his friends sacrifice for him. He may have gotten a happy ending, but it doesn't erase his suffering.
Okabe should be lower assuming we are considering True End Okabe.
Kurosawa should be on 30 of S, he barely suffered in his story, and didn't even die. Brook should take his spot, he suffered way too much for that low spot: he saw his whole crew die, he died and wandered for a long time, enough to see his body rot. Then he wandered alone on a ship for 50 years and when he saw other people, they stole his shadow.
You guys sort the Subaru situation out, I'll move him once you're done.
Literally nothing to sort, Subaru has still things going for him, Angra Mainyu is spending his time writhing in hatred in the grail or swallowed by the nothingness because there's no room for him in the throne of heroes. How the situations are even remotely comparable is beyond me. I already thought that Kumagawa and Kayneth should also move lower in the suffering scale, I'll see what the situation looks like tomorrow.
Instead of running around going "M-Muh source material!" at least provide arguments and fucking evidence instead of adhominems you shit. That's what I was doing in the previous thread at least debate with me as to why he isn't on the same level. But putting Subaru on the same level as Yuno is just not right.
Please remove my waifu Akane from that spot
Does he even feel pain?
also pic related for 100,100? she literally asked for the suffering
maybe learn to read, redditor >>157334727
We've also explained several times that the fate suffered by Angra Mainyu is fucking awful, he was randomly selected to be the scapegoat for all the world's evil, tortured and flayed alive, and finally turned into a selfless world-hating curse.
Don't listen to Akane memers, her placement is perfect.
Oh, this Takeru. Here, I'm done.
Because no one posted them.
What? Is this anime only?
>orphan due to tragic consequences
>tirelessly fought fucking demons for half of her life
>physical and psychological scars
>lost her brother in the process
>lost her friends in the process
>never got to experience a normal childhood/adolescence
>heart and mind manipulated to bring Armageddon
>spent her last years unaware if the dude she loved was still alive
Where's my suffering dino, OP. I think he qualifies as S: 70;D: 30.
>raised by a peaceful vegetarian dino family even though he's a carnivore
>bullied by his peers
>bullied by his own species
>grew up as fair and kind as a carnivore dino could
>helped a little dino with the same fate as him
almost died in the end
>cocky and cynical as fuck
I think D:100 is overkill.
Switch those numbers around. He's a dick but he gets too much shit especially when he's usually always there when you need him
I felt it right because even though Junko was the one giving orders, she still killed countless people and was willing to kill on command
Please remove my waifu Akane from this chart
That's still not quite D:100. How about 80?
Instead of adhomineming you need to consider that it takes time to write arguements and that post wasn't earlier in the thread from your other post which I replied to, learn to common sense. Other than that >>157334727 this is something Subaru has already experienced when he nearly got swallowed by Satella. I also remind you Subaru in a sense was selected so he can corrupt himself and become the next Satella or stand on a pile of corpses, or have him unwittingly end the world because he just wants to protect the people he cares about all while being tortured, flayed, gutted, stipped off his skin, burned alive, limbs torn/chopped/eaten, having the girl he loves erased from existence, having the woman he is supporting possibly becoming Satella-lite if the third trial is correct and being corrupted by RbD and the authorities that he can't use shaving away at his soul. Subaru's fate is pretty fucking bad.
Guess it's arguable how much of it she deserved.
Put Tarou-kun somewhere at the bottom left, probably next to Yunyun.
Why did Dejiko get removed from the chart? She was fine at 65,0 yesterday.
We already have so much characters with high suffer low deserve, anime is so full of snowflakes. Recommended more arseholes like this piece of shit
85 deserved 25 suffering
As shitty as sasuke is, he should probably be moved 2 slots or so to be less deserved.
He did have his entire family and clan murdered before his eyes by his brother and got saddled with an ancient blood fued due to unwillingly being a reincarnate of indra
I think 80 is too much. Just look at the other characters in that row.
What do you suggest?
Doesn't matter, we're going to make a polished version later.
Gotta find more people who should really be held more responsible but get a really good ending
Caused all of the film to happen by not encoding security on the device and selfishly indulging in his inventing most of the movie. While he wasn't an antagonist he was always more of a hinderance than a helping hand.
Swap Ushio with Illusionary-World-Ushio.
That's the one who suffered. The other was well cared by Sanae and Akio and later got both parents back.
Why is Asuka's suffering so low?
>Lower than Frieza
>Lower than Toguro
Asuka's mom replaced her with a literal doll and then tried to hang her, she literally got mind raped and then died painfully and slowly. Her suffering should be at least 90.
Can someone explain why the fuck Yui Hirasawa deserves so much suffering? She's lazy but at the very least displays a lot of empathy. I'd move her all the way to the left so that she's just to the right of wide.
Suffering 5, Deserved 90
Wish I could put him further right, but eh.
That's /a/ backstabbing her.
Autistic kids shouldn't be allowed to have friends
Actually while I don't support the other anon's argument Subaru doesn't experience something what Agara experience when being swallowed by Satella, instead Subaru gets twisted and churned around into some sort of primordial goop and "becomes one" with the other people WoE swallowed. hich isn't pleasant but not on the same tier. But on the topic of being twisted and swallowed by nothingness Subaru experiences this a number of times and sometimes has conversations of archbishops he's killed and Satella in-between his RbD deaths on occassions. Having unknown things such as Wrath, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony, Greed thrusted upon his person.
Where should I put her?
How the fuck is this guy still employed
Add Noe right next to kuroneko.
Because love is suffering too.
>Miki Sayaka on the same level of "deserved" as Alphonse
What the fuck? LITERALLY EVERYTHING bad that happened to Sayaka was her own fault, she should be near 100% on the X-axis
She got off well for what she did, honestly. 75 is a lot.
Did she really suffer that much?
Only 45 cause it's his clients that fuck it up most of the time
>Sure the guy she ended up with was kinda shit
eh, a-anon, I...
Homura became a demon because of love and actually didn't kill anyone doing this and now Othinus deserve better than her? Oh, cmon. I love Othinus, but she was a complete bitch at the beginning, destroying the life of a kid in Hawaii, being the one who made people die in Baggage City and a lot more. She even dodged international court becoming a fairy and living with her beloved understander.
Keep her suffering, but move her a little to the right. At least to surpass Homura in deserving it.
>Hiromifags still acting like there were more than 7 episodes
>still desperately clinging to their fan-made delusions
It never gets old
>Kyoko deserved 10
Her hedonistic streak nearly veered into sociopathy; she held little regard for others, she started fights out of her own ego, and suggested to Sayaka to cripple Kyosuke to force him to depend on her.
>Sayaka deserved 35
She turned a blind eye to reason as she pursued her own moralistic agenda, broke down when as she failed, and completely refused any form of help.
>Lelouch deserved 40
His failures were often the result of his own overconfidence. He frequently underestimated his opponents, alienated his allies, and while unintentional, his accidents got very many people killed.
>Slaine deserved 45
He shot the guy who saved his waifu repeatedly, helped the guy who he knew wanted to kill his waifu, betrayed his heritage and his waifu's wish for peace with Earth, and effectively got himself NTR'd.
>Togo deserved 45.
Very nearly caused the outright extinction of humanity . Granted, it was mostly Shinju's/Taisha's fault, but her actions were entirely deliberate.
>Light deserved 65
He was feeding his own god complex, completely short sighted (his actions are undone once he dies and there's no Kira), seals his doom through his own overconfidence, and only kills people already prosecuted or who oppose him, with no regard for corrupt politicians/businessmen, or unknown criminals who are unreported by media.
>Homura deserved 70
Betrayed god and stole her power, but in the process subverts the biggest threat to humanity, gives Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa a chance at a happy normal life, and goes to deal with the wraiths herself.
Put Katejina's suffering at 65, then? I mean, living as a blind and crippled beggar is arguably worse than simple physical death, like for Makoto. Tomino himself said death was too lenient a punishment for her.
>posting the unfinished version
Closest I can think of, though nowhere near the level of Chris-chan to warrant 100:100.
I'm the anon who proposed Kaneki (30,60 On top of Kenshin) like a year ago but that was before it was revealed in the manga
that his mother beat him as a child and that he spent a whole year in captivity, mindfucked and regularly popping his own eyes out
So I think we should update his place on the chart to D30, S70/80
>literally the same tier as Nishikata
That's why people discuss here. OP is trying to get a good weight between personal scores and discussion based scores. It's like economics, just wait till everyone give their own opinions and then it'll pop an equilibrium point.
Where is Shinji?
And why is this guy even in there?
Why does Momoka have 100 Deserve? She didn't choose to be a sociopath, My wife is innocent of all charges.
You took the time to argue your points, so I included all those changes.
The previous OP.
She didn't deserve it, did she?
Let's not go full meme.
>One bajilion characters in 100% suffering when it started as just Guts
I somehow feel the point got lost in the making. It should be a standard distribution, with the extreme cases being rare and the middle being more common
I don't know where to put Rudy so I'm just going to explain his story and see what other anons think.
another timeline his second wife got an illness almost incurable so in order to save her he stole a spell from the church and due to that one of his best friend died.
His wife died anyway and he started drinking and ended up sleeping with a whore. Because of this his other wife left him and ended up being murdered in a coup with also some other friends of him.
He started killing people for revenge and became a wanted criminal. Eventually almost all his friends and family ended up being murdered from the church.
After some time he killed all the people from the church and started killing a lot of people in order to learn some spell to help him or information for his revenge.
The last person he was somehow close in a hate/love relationship was a childhood friend that was in love with him but never confessed it and sacrificed herself to save him.
In the end he sacrificed with a spell to timetravel and warn his past self about this things.
Deceived SEES into defeating the 12 Arcana Shadows to awaken Death and aimed to bring about the end of the world so he could rules the new world as its king. Also killed Mitsuru's dad and made a bunch of bad puns
The 100,100 spot is reserved for a very significant character. It can't be a literally who from AgK.
Asuka is way too high, she didn't suffer that much. I'd say she should be at 50 at best. Shiki is also retardedly high, even by Nasuverse standards he should be way below Avenger.
We have too many with high suffering and no deserving
Here's one with low suffering and med deserving
How about S5/D40
Is that Shoe at S:50 / D65?
Should add Hare as well then,
to fill a gap.
Even though I feel some characters are awfully high on this corner.
We should make it only those who actually DIED out of suffering could be 50+ or something
The argument for Asuka: >>157335424
Two versions of the same character? What's the point?
Sorry, didn't see your post. S:100 is an extreme, so explain her circumstances and I'll add her.
>daddy and mommy don't love me
>I will do drugs and become the pariah of the city, that will teach them
Yes, she totally suffered more than the other 40 characters and sure everything that happened wasn't her own fault, this thread is so biased it hurts.
This is the worse part, not that people come up with random numbers for their favourite or most hated characters, but how they made up random standards to rate how much "they suffered" and how much "they deserved it" to make fit their own wrong opinions.
Asuka had no father, her mother went batshit insane and replaced her with a literal doll and then tried to kill her, she literally got mindraped by an angel until her will to live was destroyed and then she had her arm cut in half her eyes stabbed out impaled multiple times and then eaten alive, how the FUCK is her suffering at 50 when there's people above that who's suffering was just "they died" or "they just beat up badly"
That argument for Asuka is shit. She suffered a lot, just not 90 level. She's above Avenger who existed as the personification of all the evils of the world, being tortured for just existing and receiving no love or even a speck of human dignity for his whole life. She's on the same level as Rika who lived her life again and again, dying everytime trying to find out the truth and seeing all her friends die while not even advancing from cycle to cycle.
The 90s are overcrowded with people who didn't even suffer that much compared to some below.
I'd give him a D:15-20;S:0;
>retarded and incompetent
>granted a perfect anime life out of the blue
Then complain about those misplaced, don't just fuck up the scale like that. That's far from the highest form of suffering a character can experience.
She suffered the same or less than Kaneki who's a lot below her.
No character on this list suffers the same as Diavolo. An arrogant, overpowered shitlord who degrades into a ball of pure terror and despair, destined to fucking die repeatedly with no relief.
This chart is skewered though, because it values meme popularity on /a/ more than accuracy. Give 100/100 to Grumpy Jiisan or something.
In a second look, change Taiga with Kirino and we are fine. And in a third look, how does Kuroneko deserved anything that happened to her less than Kirino? Move Kirino to the middle and put Kuroneko next to her.
Did he really suffer that much?
I'll lower her then.
>Two versions of the same character? What's the point?
Because Zero Okabe and SG Okabe had two completely different experiences. Zero Okabe suffered through the Beta attractor field for some ungodly amount of years watching all his friends die in WWIII over and over again, having to live with the guilt of killing Kurisu and causing the end of the world, while SG Okabe didn't (at least not for very long). Where Okabe is now is representative of any of the shit that Zero Okabe went through. Either move him up or add a separate entry.
What's your point? There's a lot of characters who've suffered as much and more than Asuka, it makes no sense to put her that high as it would make the higher parts of the scale be too wide. If anything the lower parts should matter less, as they are mostly for memes.
Wanted to ultimately rule over the entire universe as the ultimate life form, slain his entire race save for 4 people in it, wound up in space unable to get back to Earth and unable to die, to the point where he just stopped thinking
As to why she needs to be counted in the chart, it's because of Sister experiment which was bloody as hell and her constant failure trying to save her sisters and watching them die brutally , eventually wanting to commit suicide to save them. Also level 6shift experiment that was conducted on her personally in Railgun Manga used her sisters and brought more of her pain toward the city(it was also the second time she wanted to suicide to save everyone)
More suffering started to surface in NT13 with her failing to catch up to Touma and HP telling her she's useless, then her going batshit insane and using AAA(a magic dark machine) to try and kill a villain (then going into a cosmetic enlightenment about stars and new levels like an insane person.) Here she started getting nosebleeds and one of the characters (Salome) warned Touma that she will go down the sloop of insanity and break soon.
Then she loses it and tries to kill normal people when her sanctuary(Tokiwadai) got destroyed.
And recently she got cursed and is pushing herself to use something that will slowly kill her and she's already getting nosebleeds and things are building up for more suffering and bad end.
Maybe 85, but I still need to see more suffering before she reaches a higher level, things are just starting from what I can see in the novel.
90 and above should really be reserved for "living hell" type scenarios. Asuka had a shit childhood and suffered once she got in the robot, which lasted a few weeks, but between then she wasn't too badly off. 90+ should, at the very least, spend years in mental and/or physical anguish, with no escape, constantly under high stress, with no emotional support, and all of their loved ones are gone. Asuka acted openly hostile to anyone who tried to offer support (except her lust for Kaji). I'd move her to S65, D60.
>S:100 is an extreme, so explain her circumstances and I'll add her
She lived the life of a nun. No friends, no fun. Had to protect a stupid piece of glass from a shitload of demons and thieves who would try to steal it 24/7
When she finally found love, she is mortally injured by him and dies broken-hearted thinking the only person she opened her heart to, betrayed her.
She's then resurrected and killed again, but a part of her soul remains in this world out of her raw feeling of vengeance and rage.
"Living" out of dead people souls, she then learns she was played with and both her and inuyasha manipulated to turn on and kill each other.
While living as a walking corpse she realizes inuyasha found kagome and that they'll never be together again.
She fights the asshole who manipulated her sometimes, and then she dies for the 3rd time.
A Rumiko Takahashi™ story.
It may be too high, but I'd agree with these anons >>157336877 , >>157337027 that we need some sort of reference of what's "enough suffering" and what's not.
No way she suffered "less" than i.e. Nagato, which is a overpowered AI with feelings.
Logaritmic scale works, something like
0-20 very little misfortune
20-40 periods of abuse and suffering followed by happy/normal life
40-60 life of abuse/permanent psychological damage/very unjustified deaths,
60-80 extremely brutal deaths for character/loved ones or magical level of torture like time loops but with happy ending,
80-100 the former with bad end or eternal suffering.
Which one is it?
You didn't justify the D:100.
I thought her experiences were quite similar to Rika's from your description, so I put her in 90.
For Mankoto? 20 at the most (fairly quick death without too much pain), deserved is debatable but the girls he fucked already knew he was taken didn't they? So maybe a deserved of 10-15?
Why won't you lower Homura? She experienced something very similar to Rika, except for much less time and she didn't even die in the cycles. She could have suffered a lot more, and is more on Okabe's level of suffering.
Minor suggestion: Change the Lancers' (To the side of Onizuka and Tanya.) pic to these
Everyone has a closeup of their face and they have that awkward full body pic.
Deserved is also weird. You have the guy from Paranoia Agent who keeps a folder of lewd pictures of his daughter on his computer more deserving than Adachi, who killed two people.
How the fuck can Rosette be lower than the nice boat faggot? Did you cunts forget about her already?
Yui doesn't suffer at all. Remove her.
Also someone suggest numbers for muvluvs
Kars didn't suffer 90. Maybe 70-80, but he just "died" out of boredom unable to do anything. If that was a lot of suffering being sealed would also count for that, and characters like Anubis should also be there. It's also not an infinite amount of time, he spent at most 80 or so years until the universe reset.
I wasn't sure you meant the one from Toradora. I think that 80D is overkill.
Is this fucker on the chart already? Put him in that hole @ 45d 60s.
He gets constantly stabbed/beaten by Dokuro-chan, but he kinda deserves it for his future self trying to turn everyone into eternal 12 y.o. cat-girls.
Homura was nearly killed several times, and ends up creating a world where her friends can live happily, but she can never experience it as she's the only thing holding that world together. Rebellion ends with her mind raped, separated from her lover, utterly self-loathing, and jumping off a cliff.
Satoko from Higurashi
She suffered way too much, she was hated by the village, her parents were killed and she was taken in by her abusive parents, her brother disappeared and left her to live on her own, her uncle came back to abuse her, she had to live through her friends going insane and even killing her sometimes. She never went crazy, one of the few main characters in Higurashi who didn't.
I'd say she's should replace Alibaba (60/0) as that's more of a meme slot. Either that, or replace with the Idolmaster girl who's definitely way too high.
I still don't think Okabe is rated high enough on the suffering scale
Zero Okabe doesn't even get to exist when he saves the world after his ungodly amount of suffering, a good deal of the assholes above him don't conciously erase themselves from time-space but alright.
Being nearly killed isn't suffering, otherwise every character in every anime would be up there. Not being able to experience it is bad, but it's not deserving to be THAT high.
Mid suffering, low deserving.
No love for the Chocolate man? Sure his show was shit but I still think he deserves a spot.
That blank space next to Sakura (50,70) or Alois (40,60) would be pretty much perfect for him.
That's my point. He spent at most 80 years before he stopped thinking, but that doesn't sound that bad compared to what others on the list suffered. He didn't even feel pain, he just lost his thoughts from boredom.
While we wait for updates from the current editing anon, it might be interesting to see how neighboring characters interact, to make it more focused than comparing them with everyone from their row and column.
>Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly
Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her, but that's never going to be a perfect system.
I moved Kirino anyway, but I still think that 80D is too much for Taiga.
I'd say 50/50 is more fitting.
Please swap spaces of Uzuki and this girl. Uzuki being that many suffering squares higher is deeply disturbing.
I would assume that they're operating on the assumption that eternal life is the worst suffering that could be inflicted on someone. But Bernkastel doesn't actually exist in Umineko, so she shouldn't be on there in the first place.
Yes, deserving is even more abstract.
0-20 was a good person and any suffering is unjustified
20-40 had good intentions but took some bad decisions or an asshole victim of circumstances
40-60 unjustifiably selfish/asshole characters that are not exactly evil criminals
60-80 psycopaths and characters who decided their faith from perfectly free will
80-100 people who enjoy making other people suffer for no justifiable reason
She should at least be at the level of Rika, since she's experience all of her suffering without a happy end, plus the thousands of years of boredom that came after.
Doflamingo for 100-100
And while we're at it, Law for 25/90.
>It's her lust for meduka that brings the apocalypse
There are so many things wrong with this statement that I'm led to believe that you've only read threads about the show rather than actually watching it.
>Being nearly killed isn't suffering
What is PTSD?
There are some really dumb placements in this chart.
Kamina - he just died, and a quick death while also helping his friends. Lived a happy life and was beloved by everybody.
Yui - why does she deserves to suffer? Is there a solid reason for it? Did she do anything to deserve it?
Tomoya - either remove or bring to 0 deserved. Same reason as Yui.
Misuzu - Same as above, why is it 20 deserved. She's the cliche'd perfect KEY protagonist. Her suffering is due to a curse placed 1000 years ago.
I feel like people are just using "deserved" as "I don't like this character".
Uzuki is this girl, the one in (0, 55?)
>Yui - why does she deserves to suffer? Is there a solid reason for it? Did she do anything to deserve it?
I agree with this anon, someone suggested Yui as a meme and we should remove it. She wasn't a bad person at all
All the shit that happened to him on Alpha was because he wanted to screw around with time travel and it bit him in the ass. He didn't deserve what happened to him in Zero though.
Switch the creepy dad from Paranoia Agent (Currently 20:90) with Adachi (20:85)
Creepy Guy is just a pedophile lusting over his own daughter while Adachi has one charge of involuntary manslaughter and one charge of murder
>the meta narrative is totally real everything happened you just need more love please let me drink more of your cum R07-sama
>I'm led to believe that you've only read threads about the show rather than actually watching it
Back at you. Watch more than 50 anime series and maybe you'll find out more fitting characters to this position.
I didn't even post any character. It's just a guess how it would scale. And there are probably many very specific cases. But 25 is not much on the deserving scale, and lots of character sacrifice themselves for others. 0 would be characters with perfect intentions and that basically never did anything at all that could cause his suffering (that axis seems to be a mix of intentions and strategically wrong moves anyway)
Okay, I'll remove them.
Will do in a few minutes.
Okuyasu never deserved to watch his brother die
Even if he didn't fuck with time in Alpha convergence fields would still kill Mayuri. The First D-Mail was accidental and was the thing that kicked it all off. Also what the fuck kind of scientist wouldn't try and figure out a time machine.
>dilandau is there, and at a suitable spot too
because he is retarded and his brother told him to that nigger can't think for himself.
Frankly, Angry Manjew seems fitting for that post. He was tortured into becoming th embodiment of evil for absolutely no reason whatsoever while he was farming and raising goats.
Is this argument settled then? Is nobody going to contest this point?
True but taken in with the wight of every thing else Subaru's life is far from good. Putting Him on the same tier as the ones in row 60-70 is a big understatement. I'll even settle for 85 if need be.
>Also what the fuck kind of scientist wouldn't try and figure out a time machine.
Understandable, but how about his great idea to spy the government and hack their site, making them aware of his intents?
True, but having literally_whos in important sections like that kind of ruin the whole thing. Id say he should be moved a little to the right since he's evil then.
Only someone who experienced ultimate suffering for no reason while still remaining even a little bit pure should be in that spot.
SERN are already aware of the PhoneWave due to ECHELON, which detected and stored the existence of the first D-Mail (The one that causes the timeline switch), alerting SERN to the existence of time travel. The point is even if Okabe does literally nothing after going to Alpha SERN would still have fucked his shit
They need the IBN to delete that D-Mail recording so that SERN never gains a monopoly on time machines by acquiring the Phonewave/TimeLeap
She would have still died but his actions afterwords are what ultimately brought about the Rounder attacks. He could have saved himself a lot of effort and prevented many of Mayuir's more gruesome deaths if he didn't announce to the whole world he was building a time machine
>but I still think that 80D is too much for Taiga.
But every single "problem" she got was due to herself trying to fuck with herself, I say that's a 90 for the least. And if you are moving Kirino remember to put Kuroneko next to her.
Homura absolutely deserved her place. She betrayed her friends and brainwashed them to suit her agenda of keeping Madoka in her gilded cage. "Happy ending" or not, that's what happened.
Accelerator is a solid S:50/D:50
Same can be said to many of these
>bad guy turns good after interacting with MC
They got what they deserved.
Which makes them good suggestions to fill the 40~60 symmetric gap.
Can I ask why he deserves 75S?
She came to an unknown world, was considered an immediate treat by the government and even saw her loved one die 2 times. 30 D seems good to me
But that's fucking wrong. The Rounders would always attack him. Him undoing D-Mails merely pulls the date back a bit.
IIRC it is a convergence point (fixed point in time of that worldline) that
a) Kurisu is captured by SERN and forced to work on a time machine
b) Mayuri is killed somehow which leads to the formation of VALKYRIE
If we go by this logic we're swapping cause with consequence.
His suffering caused the careless actions he took after Nagisa died, and that would lead up to him being deserving of suffering.
But Triela is a good suggestion for low deserving/medium suffering.
How much did she suffer? She deserved nothing.
>Grew up with his mum in Italy
>wanted to be a gangstar
>so he joins a gang
>within the space of a week they die and he lives the rest of his life as the kingpin in luxury while reforming the mafia to stop pumping out drugs
He didn't suffer much and he didn't do much to deserve what happened. He's more like 20/30
That's still overkill.
I think 30 is still too much.
He probably suffered the least out of the entire main cast, and he certainly didn't deserve to suffer anyway.
Done. I'll do the Paranoia Agent one in a bit.
Isn't she already in?
He really should be around the 90s because of the shit he's been through and more shit that's being piled on him but sure why not. Subaru is a bad ending piled ontop of more bad endings so.
Aimed to fulfill DIO's Heaven by any means possible, killing all the main characters and a bunch of others on the side, as well as using others to advance himself. He wound up discovering who his brother was too late as the KKK almost killed him, and DIO wound up being the only thing Pucci really had in life.
I suggests Kars prior and I'm trying to give them fair placements.
She brings the dead back to life and allows them to live free from the worry of life-and-death combat with wraiths, handling them herself. What a heinous betrayal. Madoka's "gilded cage" involves her doing whatever the she wants as long as she isn't self-sacrificial to a nearly suicidal extent. After returning the ribbons, Homura doesn't even bother trying to involve herself with Madoka. Homura took over the Law of Cycles to do Madoka's job so Madoka can live happily with her family and friends.
It is convergent that they are captured by SERN at some point in the future, but not that the are taken by the Rounders. In the original, the lab invasion is called off on some worldlines when Moeka commits suicide
and in Zero, the worldline shifts back to Alpha months after when they should have been abducted, and Kurisu and Okabe are both still at the lab.
There's actually no character at 20:90.
Can you explain?
Slightly higher on the deserving side since most of her suffering comes from her dumb actions. Be it when she asks to have her own memories erased or when she simply goes AWOL after fighting with Saito.
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I'd bring her up to Nagato's side at S:75/D:20 or S:85/D:15 depending how you see her guilt on making a lifelong contract with a (good) demon.
I would personally justify the 100 because she needs suffering to grow up as a character and it's very interesting to see how it's affecting her since the author is handling her character very slowly.
Post more characters that deserved it
Where would we put Aizen?
>Gintoki at 50S 40D
Can you explain?
>That's still overkill.
But what is your standard to say that? I say that you reap what you sow, and everything simply got back to bite her in the ass. I'm not saying that she killed someone or destroyed the sun to get what she got.
That's not what deserve means. Give me an deserve accurate value and I'll add Mikoto.
>it takes 5 anons to finally remove Yui
>suddenly she's back
What the fuck
Is like any other minor jojo villain but he got turned into a book and lives in a fucking library unable to do anything like Kars but in a library
Deserve: Absolutely 0
I feel like we should just keep it to protags and main antags for Jojo before this thing gets even more oversaturated with Jojo
What's wrong with Yui being there when both Yuno and Yotsuba are there?