/a/ character chart III

>>157334369
Subaru 90/60 and Rem 60/40

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>>157334369
Proposal: Put casshern a bit higher, considering that he's basically an estranged loner who bears the weight of having destroyed the world and everything he holds dear.

Rem deserves to be higher too, her existence was fucking erased.
Rurushu should be lower in my opinion, his only saving grace is how much he suffered before becoming immortal. Same to Suzaku, I am really trying not to put anyone above 50 if they haven't died at the very least.

I'll probably notice that something is off and come back later like a faggot anyway.

>>157334484
>>157334518
Okay, I'll include these changes.

>>157334484
>Subaru on the same level as Angra Mainyu
I swear Reddit:Zero fans are obnoxious, they demand you learn the source material but never bother returning the favor.

I'll say it again, Takeru deserves to be on S as high as 80 at the very least. The dude saw civilization be destroyed several times, got literal PTSD from suffering, tried to go back to his world to see how he was fucking everything up there and went on a suicidal mission to be able to go back, having to see all of his friends sacrifice for him. He may have gotten a happy ending, but it doesn't erase his suffering.

Okabe should be lower assuming we are considering True End Okabe.

Kurosawa should be on 30 of S, he barely suffered in his story, and didn't even die. Brook should take his spot, he suffered way too much for that low spot: he saw his whole crew die, he died and wandered for a long time, enough to see his body rot. Then he wandered alone on a ship for 50 years and when he saw other people, they stole his shadow.

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>>157334565
You guys sort the Subaru situation out, I'll move him once you're done.

>>157334656
Literally nothing to sort, Subaru has still things going for him, Angra Mainyu is spending his time writhing in hatred in the grail or swallowed by the nothingness because there's no room for him in the throne of heroes. How the situations are even remotely comparable is beyond me. I already thought that Kumagawa and Kayneth should also move lower in the suffering scale, I'll see what the situation looks like tomorrow.

>>157334656
S:50
D:100

Why is Homura so high? I'd put her a spot or two below that, she definitely didn't suffer as much as Rika.

where's dekumom?

>>157334621
I moved Brook to Kurosawa's place and lowered him to 30S. Do you have any suggestion regarding Okabe?
Also, who's Takeru?

>>157334565
Instead of running around going "M-Muh source material!" at least provide arguments and fucking evidence instead of adhominems you shit. That's what I was doing in the previous thread at least debate with me as to why he isn't on the same level. But putting Subaru on the same level as Yuno is just not right.

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>>157334738
Fuck, I forgot the pic.

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>>157334369
Please remove my waifu Akane from that spot

>>157334779
Do you have a clearer pic?
>>157334802
Why, and where do you suggest I put her?

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>>157334779
Does he even feel pain?
also pic related for 100,100? she literally asked for the suffering

>>157334837
No, 100,100 needs to be a character everyone knows.

>>157334773
maybe learn to read, redditor >>157334727
We've also explained several times that the fate suffered by Angra Mainyu is fucking awful, he was randomly selected to be the scapegoat for all the world's evil, tortured and flayed alive, and finally turned into a selfless world-hating curse.


>>157334826
Don't listen to Akane memers, her placement is perfect.

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>>157334826
not him but here

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Where does this piano fucker go?

>>157334763
Takeru is the guy two to the right of Mewtwo.

I'd say Okabe should be put where Takeru is right now.

>>157334656
Why is Bakugou on the pic, but not Deku? Or Todo? Or Eri?

>>157334826
Remove her.

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Itoshiki "Zetsubou sensei" Nozomu

S: 45
D: 25

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Mukuro Ikusaba
Suffering: 20
Deserved: 100

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>>157334885
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>>157334899
Oh, this Takeru. Here, I'm done.
>>157334972
Because no one posted them.

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>>157334369
>Rosette
>suffering 55
What? Is this anime only?
>orphan due to tragic consequences
>tirelessly fought fucking demons for half of her life
>physical and psychological scars
>lost her brother in the process
>lost her friends in the process
>never got to experience a normal childhood/adolescence
>heart and mind manipulated to bring Armageddon
>spent her last years unaware if the dude she loved was still alive
>died alone

>>157334763
Move Okabe to the free spot above where he is now. He suffered at least as much as Homura, and arguably a lot more

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S 20 D 95 (right over Gendo)

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>>157334656
Where's my suffering dino, OP. I think he qualifies as S: 70;D: 30.

>raised by a peaceful vegetarian dino family even though he's a carnivore
>bullied by his peers
>bullied by his own species
>grew up as fair and kind as a carnivore dino could
>helped a little dino with the same fate as him
>spoiler:almost died in the end

>cocky and cynical as fuck
>anger issues
>carnivore

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Sunohara

S: 55
D: 80

>>157334369
I am curious, who is gonna be the 100 100?

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>>157334990
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>>157334991
I think D:100 is overkill.
>>157335048
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>>157335084
hell no, sunohara is a bro at least twice
make them equal

>>157335084
Switch those numbers around. He's a dick but he gets too much shit especially when he's usually always there when you need him

>>157335104
I felt it right because even though Junko was the one giving orders, she still killed countless people and was willing to kill on command

>>157335100
Originally memed as Frieza but got moved down. Come of think of it, the older Toguro would probably fit.

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>>157334369
Please remove my waifu Akane from this chart

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>>157335084
>D:80
>S:55
Nice meme.
>>157335142
That's still not quite D:100. How about 80?

>>157334867
Instead of adhomineming you need to consider that it takes time to write arguements and that post wasn't earlier in the thread from your other post which I replied to, learn to common sense. Other than that >>157334727 this is something Subaru has already experienced when he nearly got swallowed by Satella. I also remind you Subaru in a sense was selected so he can corrupt himself and become the next Satella or stand on a pile of corpses, or have him unwittingly end the world because he just wants to protect the people he cares about all while being tortured, flayed, gutted, stipped off his skin, burned alive, limbs torn/chopped/eaten, having the girl he loves erased from existence, having the woman he is supporting possibly becoming Satella-lite if the third trial is correct and being corrupted by RbD and the authorities that he can't use shaving away at his soul. Subaru's fate is pretty fucking bad.

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>>157334369
Doflamingo

Suffering: 80
Deserved: 65

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Mai Tokiha
Suffering: 45
Deserved: 35

>>157335100

Whoever is the most fitting to be described with the word JUST.

For /co/, it was Chris-chan.

>>157335100
Either /a/-tan or moot. Fate is already settled.

>>157335182
Mukuro poster, sounds good

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Suffered 60
Deserved 0

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You guys KNOW we need him somewhere.

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Suffering 90
Deserved 35

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Itachi should get added in anon.

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Guess it's arguable how much of it she deserved.

S: 100
D: 50

>>157335222
I thought ya remover her, nevermind.

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Put Tarou-kun somewhere at the bottom left, probably next to Yunyun.

>>157335222
Wait why suffer 60 isn't she an Idol? Pls explain

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Why did Dejiko get removed from the chart? She was fine at 65,0 yesterday.

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>>157335251
We already have so much characters with high suffer low deserve, anime is so full of snowflakes. Recommended more arseholes like this piece of shit
85 deserved 25 suffering

What the fuck is with the image quality on half the images?

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>>157335315
Watch the series

As shitty as sasuke is, he should probably be moved 2 slots or so to be less deserved.

He did have his entire family and clan murdered before his eyes by his brother and got saddled with an ancient blood fued due to unwillingly being a reincarnate of indra

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>>157335186
I think 80 is too much. Just look at the other characters in that row.
>>157335194
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>>157335251
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>>157335241
What do you suggest?
>>157335338
Doesn't matter, we're going to make a polished version later.

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>>157335334
Gotta find more people who should really be held more responsible but get a really good ending

Dr. Tokita
Suffering:15
Deserved: 45

Caused all of the film to happen by not encoding security on the device and selfishly indulging in his inventing most of the movie. While he wasn't an antagonist he was always more of a hinderance than a helping hand.

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>>157334369
Swap Ushio with Illusionary-World-Ushio.
That's the one who suffered. The other was well cared by Sanae and Akio and later got both parents back.

Why is Asuka's suffering so low?
>Lower than Frieza
>Lower than Toguro
Asuka's mom replaced her with a literal doll and then tried to hang her, she literally got mind raped and then died painfully and slowly. Her suffering should be at least 90.

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C.C.
Suffering: 90
Deserved: 50

>>157335370
75 then, he's definitely above ace.

Can someone explain why the fuck Yui Hirasawa deserves so much suffering? She's lazy but at the very least displays a lot of empathy. I'd move her all the way to the left so that she's just to the right of wide.

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Suffering 5, Deserved 90

Wish I could put him further right, but eh.

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>>157335482
That's /a/ backstabbing her.
Autistic kids shouldn't be allowed to have friends

>>157335183
Actually while I don't support the other anon's argument Subaru doesn't experience something what Agara experience when being swallowed by Satella, instead Subaru gets twisted and churned around into some sort of primordial goop and "becomes one" with the other people WoE swallowed. hich isn't pleasant but not on the same tier. But on the topic of being twisted and swallowed by nothingness Subaru experiences this a number of times and sometimes has conversations of archbishops he's killed and Satella in-between his RbD deaths on occassions. Having unknown things such as Wrath, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony, Greed thrusted upon his person.

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D 45
S 25

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>>157335429
Added.
>>157335430
Added.
>>157335424
Where should I put her?
>>157335420
Done.

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Taro Takanashi
Suffering: 15
Deserved: 30

How the fuck is this guy still employed

why do re:zerofags think we give a shit about the characters from their shitty show? i say we remove every re:zero character from the chart so they shut the fuck up

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Add Noe right next to kuroneko.
S: 15
D: 15

Because love is suffering too.
Still mad.

>>157335632
Honestly Asuka doesn't even deserve it that much, yeah she's a cunt but she's not ruining lives or murdering people 30/35 deserved and 90 suffering would work.

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Katejina Loos
Suffering: 75
Deserved: 90

>>157335685
Why are you so upset? Sure the guy she ended up with was kinda shit, but she was still the star of a cute 7 episode romance anime.

>>157335632

Move Yui to 0, 15

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Suffering: 20
Deserved:100

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Suffering 90
Deserved 20

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Suffered 10

Deserved 15

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>>157334369
Suffering: 100
Deserved: 100

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>>157335719
>the guy she ended up

>>157335632
>Miki Sayaka on the same level of "deserved" as Alphonse
What the fuck? LITERALLY EVERYTHING bad that happened to Sayaka was her own fault, she should be near 100% on the X-axis

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>>157335702
She got off well for what she did, honestly. 75 is a lot.
>>157335726
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>>157335743
Did she really suffer that much?
>>157335753
Not anime.

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>Deserve 45
>Suffer 0
Only 45 cause it's his clients that fuck it up most of the time

>>157334999
>reigen
>deserving suffering at all

>>157335743
fuck off monet didn't suffer nearly that much

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>>157335719
>Sure the guy she ended up with was kinda shit
eh, a-anon, I...

>>157335632
Homura became a demon because of love and actually didn't kill anyone doing this and now Othinus deserve better than her? Oh, cmon. I love Othinus, but she was a complete bitch at the beginning, destroying the life of a kid in Hawaii, being the one who made people die in Baggage City and a lot more. She even dodged international court becoming a fairy and living with her beloved understander.
Keep her suffering, but move her a little to the right. At least to surpass Homura in deserving it.

>>157335982
What do you suggest?

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>>157335894
15 suffering 10 deserved.

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>>157335857

Wait, sunred is not anime?

>>157335195
Comic Chris or Real Chris? I'd only put Comic Chris and Sonichu at 100:100

>>157336034
My bad, I'll add it.

>>157336080
>Comic Chris or Real Chris?
There's no difference in CWC's mind.

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>>157335931
>>157335776
>Hiromifags still acting like there were more than 7 episodes
>still desperately clinging to their fan-made delusions

It never gets old

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>>157335195
>>157336080

>>157336104
>I AM THE MAYOR OF CWCVILLE IN REAL LIFE!
Right, forgot about that part

>>157335857
Why are Karin and Togo so high on the S axis? There's no way they are even close to people like Brook, Kaneki and Vash. Both should be moved at least 20 points down.

>>157336002
S: 90
D: 70

Just move her so she can be at the right side of Homura.

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Suffering: 75
Deserved: 55

>>157336138
>Chester Cheetah
Let me guess, Tails Gets Trolled?

>>157334656
>Kyoko deserved 10
Her hedonistic streak nearly veered into sociopathy; she held little regard for others, she started fights out of her own ego, and suggested to Sayaka to cripple Kyosuke to force him to depend on her.
>Sayaka deserved 35
She turned a blind eye to reason as she pursued her own moralistic agenda, broke down when as she failed, and completely refused any form of help.
>Lelouch deserved 40
His failures were often the result of his own overconfidence. He frequently underestimated his opponents, alienated his allies, and while unintentional, his accidents got very many people killed.
>Slaine deserved 45
He shot the guy who saved his waifu repeatedly, helped the guy who he knew wanted to kill his waifu, betrayed his heritage and his waifu's wish for peace with Earth, and effectively got himself NTR'd.
>Togo deserved 45.
Very nearly caused the outright extinction of humanity . Granted, it was mostly Shinju's/Taisha's fault, but her actions were entirely deliberate.
>Light deserved 65
He was feeding his own god complex, completely short sighted (his actions are undone once he dies and there's no Kira), seals his doom through his own overconfidence, and only kills people already prosecuted or who oppose him, with no regard for corrupt politicians/businessmen, or unknown criminals who are unreported by media.
>Homura deserved 70
Betrayed god and stole her power, but in the process subverts the biggest threat to humanity, gives Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa a chance at a happy normal life, and goes to deal with the wraiths herself.

Completely incongruous.

>>157335857
Put Katejina's suffering at 65, then? I mean, living as a blind and crippled beggar is arguably worse than simple physical death, like for Makoto. Tomino himself said death was too lenient a punishment for her.

>>157336164
>Sacchin
>deserving suffering

You're a fucking monster.

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>>157336138
>posting the unfinished version

>>157336182
Correct.

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>>157335195
Closest I can think of, though nowhere near the level of Chris-chan to warrant 100:100.

Reposting
I'm the anon who proposed Kaneki (30,60 On top of Kenshin) like a year ago but that was before it was revealed in the manga that his mother beat him as a child and that he spent a whole year in captivity, mindfucked and regularly popping his own eyes out
So I think we should update his place on the chart to D30, S70/80

>>157335857
>Yui Hirasawa
>70% for suffering
???
She's not selfish or a shitty person. Why is she on the list?

>>157336195
Sure, I can agree with that.
>>157336151
Done.
>>157336189
Please suggest new placements.

>>157336234
He's just a 50:75
He mooches off his parents barely knows the language disregards culture and is creepy towards women, but other than that he hasn't actually done anything bad

ITT: people who don't know even a quarter of the other characters just whimsically give their favorite character a personal rating instead of a relative one.

>>157335857
how about snake from monogatari at 25/85?

>>157336275
Agree. Kaneki is really fucked in suffering matters. We can actually add Takizawa on this too.

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>>157334369
>suffering: 20
>literally the same tier as Nishikata
kek

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>>157336300

>>157336343
It's just a dick in the vagina, my dude.

>>157335857
Kokuto from Kara no Kyoukai : 20/30

Who removed Jiisan and moot?

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>>157335023
pls respond

>>157336308
That's why people discuss here. OP is trying to get a good weight between personal scores and discussion based scores. It's like economics, just wait till everyone give their own opinions and then it'll pop an equilibrium point.

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Where is Shinji?
And why is this guy even in there?

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put her below freezer

>>157335857
Kamina at 5/55

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To the right of Umaru.

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>>157334369
Why does Momoka have 100 Deserve? She didn't choose to be a sociopath, My wife is innocent of all charges.

>>157336431
>Where is Shinji?
(55,45)

>>157336454
Saitama is already on the chart.

>>157336466
Stop memeing the thread.

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>>157336364
You took the time to argue your points, so I included all those changes.
>>157336410
The previous OP.
>>157336447
She didn't deserve it, did she?
>>157336448
Done.
>>157336454
Let's not go full meme.

>>157336308
That's the point, this chart is as valid as my 15 inch cock, you want proofs? Because I said so, BOOM, make me a chart.

>>157336527
you missed
>>157335758

>>157336559
Why does he deserve the most important placement in the chart?

>>157336599
because hes from AgK which is like, super edgy

>>157336527
Move Okabe to the free space at 95 25. He suffered just as much as Homura did, if not more.

>>157336559
>>157336599
Yeah, at least give a fucking reason before posting.

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>>157334369

>One bajilion characters in 100% suffering when it started as just Guts

I somehow feel the point got lost in the making. It should be a standard distribution, with the extreme cases being rare and the middle being more common

>>157336527
I might be blind, but I don't see the kamina.

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I don't know where to put Rudy so I'm just going to explain his story and see what other anons think.
In another timeline his second wife got an illness almost incurable so in order to save her he stole a spell from the church and due to that one of his best friend died.
His wife died anyway and he started drinking and ended up sleeping with a whore. Because of this his other wife left him and ended up being murdered in a coup with also some other friends of him.
He started killing people for revenge and became a wanted criminal. Eventually almost all his friends and family ended up being murdered from the church.
After some time he killed all the people from the church and started killing a lot of people in order to learn some spell to help him or information for his revenge.
The last person he was somehow close in a hate/love relationship was a childhood friend that was in love with him but never confessed it and sacrificed herself to save him.
In the end he sacrificed with a spell to timetravel and warn his past self about this things.

>>157336527
You forgot both of mine dude
>>157335876
>>157335334

>>157336670
He suffered the worst torture ever and he deserved every second of it?

>>157336641
The argument for Okabe is that we're considering true end Okabe.
>>157336684
Above Madao. Is that not where you wanted him?

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>>157336599

>>157336702
Suffering: not enough
Deserved: 200

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>>157336527
Shuji Ikutsuki
Suffering: 20
Deserved: 55

Deceived SEES into defeating the 12 Arcana Shadows to awaken Death and aimed to bring about the end of the world so he could rules the new world as its king. Also killed Mitsuru's dad and made a bunch of bad puns

>>157334369
This chart will remain shit forever till you move Kodaka next to Onizuka.

>>157336559
>>157336599
Put him on S95/D100 then
We need that corner

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How much does she deserve?

>>157336724
Yep, sorry, I'm an asshole.

>>157336727
>Got to die
There's characters on the chart that suffer for thousands of years or eternity. He's nowhere near 100 suffering.

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>>157336727
The 100,100 spot is reserved for a very significant character. It can't be a literally who from AgK.
>>157336703
Added.

>>157336798
But AkG was the most important manga on /a/ from 2012 to 2014.

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>>157334484
Suffernig 25
Deserved 95

>>157336527
Asuka is way too high, she didn't suffer that much. I'd say she should be at 50 at best. Shiki is also retardedly high, even by Nasuverse standards he should be way below Avenger.

>>157336724
Then put in Zero Okabe as his own thing, the man suffered more than 99% of the people on the chart, saved the world from destruction and then got erased from existence.

>>157336727
That's nowhere near worthy of 100 like Diavolo, who is destined to constantly die for all of eternity

>>157336810
2k. Chart is not long enough.

>>157336817
There's characters on the chart which problems are that they cut too much their nails, fuck off.

>>157336820
put him S95 like the other anon said

>>157336820
>asuka that high
the fuck?

>>157336840
100% this.

>>157336641
Homura should be below him. She definitely didn't suffer as much as Rika. And she deserved it ex-post because of the movie.

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>>157336527
We have too many with high suffering and no deserving

Here's one with low suffering and med deserving
How about S5/D40

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>>157336527
Is that Shoe at S:50 / D65?

Should add Hare as well then,
S: 40
D: 25
to fill a gap.
Even though I feel some characters are awfully high on this corner.
We should make it only those who actually DIED out of suffering could be 50+ or something

>>157336138
Star Wars isn't /co/

>>157334369
>>157334518
I agree with this guy I love Lelouch but his suffering is pretty vanilla in comparison to some of these other guys.

>>157336527
>>157336321
>>157336396

>>157336798
>>157336857
Didn't you mean S100/D95? because S95/D100 is taken

>>157336820
Why is Kamina even on the list? He just died, he never even suffered. If anything Simon should be there.

Also, >>157336832

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Suffering 90
Deserved 15

>>157336820
Did you miss me here >>157335274 or is there a reason not to add her?

>>157336906
but he's definitely D100

>>157336735
Its not his fault his niece is so fappable

>>157336923
Yeah. A bunch of retards think "lol my favorite character died so he suffered a lot xdd"
This chart needs a week to filter all the shitty suggestions out.

Ok guys, post some assholes with 0-10 suffering and some deserving. We need to fill the lower part

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>>157336975

>>157336975
I proposed
>>157336742
>>157335656

>>157336888
Lelouch to S45 D50?

>>157336735
Also he raped people and it's implied that he kidnapped his childhood friend and raped her. Maybe this guy can fill some top right spot.

>>157336962
Put him under Frieza then.

>>157336970
The scale makes no sense. We should define references of suffering and deserving, and base the positioning on that.

>>157336820
>Kaiji deserving everything that he got

The tissue box raffle was a dumbass move but he didn't deserve to be a slave in the dirt mine.

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>>157336832
>>157336866
The argument for Asuka: >>157335424
>>157336742
Added.
>>157336834
Two versions of the same character? What's the point?
>>157336876
Added.
>>157336877
Added.
>>157336901
Added.
>>157336952
Sorry, didn't see your post. S:100 is an extreme, so explain her circumstances and I'll add her.

>>157336820
>Taiga
>daddy and mommy don't love me
>I will do drugs and become the pariah of the city, that will teach them
Yes, she totally suffered more than the other 40 characters and sure everything that happened wasn't her own fault, this thread is so biased it hurts.

>>157336820
>Still no Mikoto
Do I need to post my argument again if you're not convinced or should we discuss it more?

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TADA FUCKING BANRI
S: 20
D: 70

>>157337044
Where's your argument?
>>157337043
What do you suggest?
>>157337051
>D:70

>>157337037
push frieza down by one and add >>157335758 there

>>157337027
This is the worse part, not that people come up with random numbers for their favourite or most hated characters, but how they made up random standards to rate how much "they suffered" and how much "they deserved it" to make fit their own wrong opinions.

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S: 0
D: 25

>>157336832
>>157336923
>>157336866
Asuka had no father, her mother went batshit insane and replaced her with a literal doll and then tried to kill her, she literally got mindraped by an angel until her will to live was destroyed and then she had her arm cut in half her eyes stabbed out impaled multiple times and then eaten alive, how the FUCK is her suffering at 50 when there's people above that who's suffering was just "they died" or "they just beat up badly"

>>157337037
That argument for Asuka is shit. She suffered a lot, just not 90 level. She's above Avenger who existed as the personification of all the evils of the world, being tortured for just existing and receiving no love or even a speck of human dignity for his whole life. She's on the same level as Rika who lived her life again and again, dying everytime trying to find out the truth and seeing all her friends die while not even advancing from cycle to cycle.

The 90s are overcrowded with people who didn't even suffer that much compared to some below.

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>>157336975
I'd give him a D:15-20;S:0;

>borderline autist
>lazy neet
>retarded and incompetent

>granted a perfect anime life out of the blue

>>157336702
gimme some fucking numbers oniichan

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Place him

>>157337143
Then complain about those misplaced, don't just fuck up the scale like that. That's far from the highest form of suffering a character can experience.

She suffered the same or less than Kaneki who's a lot below her.

>>157337037
>>157336944

>>157336840
No character on this list suffers the same as Diavolo. An arrogant, overpowered shitlord who degrades into a ball of pure terror and despair, destined to fucking die repeatedly with no relief.
This chart is skewered though, because it values meme popularity on /a/ more than accuracy. Give 100/100 to Grumpy Jiisan or something.

>>157337103
In a second look, change Taiga with Kirino and we are fine. And in a third look, how does Kuroneko deserved anything that happened to her less than Kirino? Move Kirino to the middle and put Kuroneko next to her.

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>>157337119
Done.
>>157337116
Done.
>>157337201
Did he really suffer that much?
>>157337148
I'll lower her then.

>>157337196
You can't scale everything to max being 100 is suffering eternally and forever or everything else would be at like 10.

>>157337037
>Two versions of the same character? What's the point?
Because Zero Okabe and SG Okabe had two completely different experiences. Zero Okabe suffered through the Beta attractor field for some ungodly amount of years watching all his friends die in WWIII over and over again, having to live with the guilt of killing Kurisu and causing the end of the world, while SG Okabe didn't (at least not for very long). Where Okabe is now is representative of any of the shit that Zero Okabe went through. Either move him up or add a separate entry.

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pls be gentle

>>157337244
Where's Taiga?

>>157337272
What's your point? There's a lot of characters who've suffered as much and more than Asuka, it makes no sense to put her that high as it would make the higher parts of the scale be too wide. If anything the lower parts should matter less, as they are mostly for memes.

>>157337343
No, that's too redundant. I won't add another Okabe.

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>>157337262
Kars
Suffering: 90
Deserved: 80

Wanted to ultimately rule over the entire universe as the ultimate life form, slain his entire race save for 4 people in it, wound up in space unable to get back to Earth and unable to die, to the point where he just stopped thinking

>>157337357
Suffering: 15-20
Deserved: 0

>>157337364
On this list there's not a massive amount more, 90 is probably too high but 50 is way too low for the other characters that are on there.

>>157337343
Dude no. A lot of characters in that chart were completely different at certain points. Also SG0 isn't even an anime yet

>>157337357
S:50
D:100

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Black Jack
Suffering: 45
Deserved: 45

>>157337103
Misaka Mikoto
S: 80
D: 100

As to why she needs to be counted in the chart, it's because of Sister experiment which was bloody as hell and her constant failure trying to save her sisters and watching them die brutally , eventually wanting to commit suicide to save them. Also level 6shift experiment that was conducted on her personally in Railgun Manga used her sisters and brought more of her pain toward the city(it was also the second time she wanted to suicide to save everyone)

More suffering started to surface in NT13 with her failing to catch up to Touma and HP telling her she's useless, then her going batshit insane and using AAA(a magic dark machine) to try and kill a villain (then going into a cosmetic enlightenment about stars and new levels like an insane person.) Here she started getting nosebleeds and one of the characters (Salome) warned Touma that she will go down the sloop of insanity and break soon.

Then she loses it and tries to kill normal people when her sanctuary(Tokiwadai) got destroyed.

And recently she got cursed and is pushing herself to use something that will slowly kill her and she's already getting nosebleeds and things are building up for more suffering and bad end.

Maybe 85, but I still need to see more suffering before she reaches a higher level, things are just starting from what I can see in the novel.

>>157337393
Then just move him up, he suffered way more than most of the people at 95
>>157337429
The first episode is out, and he was in the original

>>157337357
check 65,100

>>157337431
>gets stabbed a few times, losing enough blood to start going numb
>gets decapitated after he's lost most of the feeling anyway
>dies quickly

That's nowhere near suffering 50.

>>157337037
90 and above should really be reserved for "living hell" type scenarios. Asuka had a shit childhood and suffered once she got in the robot, which lasted a few weeks, but between then she wasn't too badly off. 90+ should, at the very least, spend years in mental and/or physical anguish, with no escape, constantly under high stress, with no emotional support, and all of their loved ones are gone. Asuka acted openly hostile to anyone who tried to offer support (except her lust for Kaji). I'd move her to S65, D60.

>>157335668
Why do you people fling shit if you care so little? Just put Subaru in the 90/60 and be done with it then if you don't give a shit.

Punpun deserved his suffering much more desu

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>>157337037
>S:100 is an extreme, so explain her circumstances and I'll add her
She lived the life of a nun. No friends, no fun. Had to protect a stupid piece of glass from a shitload of demons and thieves who would try to steal it 24/7
When she finally found love, she is mortally injured by him and dies broken-hearted thinking the only person she opened her heart to, betrayed her.
She's then resurrected and killed again, but a part of her soul remains in this world out of her raw feeling of vengeance and rage.
"Living" out of dead people souls, she then learns she was played with and both her and inuyasha manipulated to turn on and kill each other.
While living as a walking corpse she realizes inuyasha found kagome and that they'll never be together again.
She fights the asshole who manipulated her sometimes, and then she dies for the 3rd time.
A Rumiko Takahashi™ story.

It may be too high, but I'd agree with these anons >>157336877 , >>157337027 that we need some sort of reference of what's "enough suffering" and what's not.
No way she suffered "less" than i.e. Nagato, which is a overpowered AI with feelings.

>>157337272
Logaritmic scale works, something like
0-20 very little misfortune
20-40 periods of abuse and suffering followed by happy/normal life
40-60 life of abuse/permanent psychological damage/very unjustified deaths,
60-80 extremely brutal deaths for character/loved ones or magical level of torture like time loops but with happy ending,
80-100 the former with bad end or eternal suffering.

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100/100

>>157337629
She isn't even real in her setting. It's more like 0/0 or N/A.

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>>157337262
Bertoldt
S35 D60

>>157337629
I can agree

>>157337656
>Sayo didn't exist
Did you even read the VN?

I'd say more like 70/80

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S 45
D 80

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Deserved: 15
Suffered: 5

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>>157337397
Added.
>>157337431
>>157337409
Which one is it?
>>157337487
Done.
>>157337486
You didn't justify the D:100.
>>157337518
Done.
>>157337587
I thought her experiences were quite similar to Rika's from your description, so I put her in 90.

>>157336702
>>157337262
S: 85
D: 90

>>157337713
For Mankoto? 20 at the most (fairly quick death without too much pain), deserved is debatable but the girls he fucked already knew he was taken didn't they? So maybe a deserved of 10-15?

>>157337359
Well one of us is blind cause I see Taiga right below Yamcha and next to Misaki.

>30-35
B-but Squealer did nothing wrong

>>157337713
Why won't you lower Homura? She experienced something very similar to Rika, except for much less time and she didn't even die in the cycles. She could have suffered a lot more, and is more on Okabe's level of suffering.

>>157337713
Minor suggestion: Change the Lancers' (To the side of Onizuka and Tanya.) pic to these

https://sensdeladigression.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/fate-stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-lancer.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/20/5f/53/205f53c81383f8a910b107b256c18ed2.jpg

Everyone has a closeup of their face and they have that awkward full body pic.

>>157337610
Deserved is also weird. You have the guy from Paranoia Agent who keeps a folder of lewd pictures of his daughter on his computer more deserving than Adachi, who killed two people.

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Supporting these:
>>157335023
How the fuck can Rosette be lower than the nice boat faggot? Did you cunts forget about her already?
>>157336299
Yui doesn't suffer at all. Remove her.

Also someone suggest numbers for muvluvs

>>157337823
Read the thread.
>We are doing this sketch with paint and when everyone is happy with the slots we will put it on a polished version.
from the OP

>>157337397
>>157337713
Kars didn't suffer 90. Maybe 70-80, but he just "died" out of boredom unable to do anything. If that was a lot of suffering being sealed would also count for that, and characters like Anubis should also be there. It's also not an infinite amount of time, he spent at most 80 or so years until the universe reset.

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Suffering 70
Deserved 15

>>157337874
Might as well just do it now.

>>157337789
As far as I can tell most the characters above 90 are shitty jokes

>>157337923
>Suffering: 70

Not even close. 30 at best.

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>>157337711
Added.
>>157337703
Added.
>>157337664
Added.
>>157337763
I wasn't sure you meant the one from Toradora. I think that 80D is overkill.

Is this fucker on the chart already? Put him in that hole @ 45d 60s.

He gets constantly stabbed/beaten by Dokuro-chan, but he kinda deserves it for his future self trying to turn everyone into eternal 12 y.o. cat-girls.

>>157337700
70/80 seems right.

>>157337789
Homura was nearly killed several times, and ends up creating a world where her friends can live happily, but she can never experience it as she's the only thing holding that world together. Rebellion ends with her mind raped, separated from her lover, utterly self-loathing, and jumping off a cliff.

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>>157337975
Forgot pic

Satoko from Higurashi

She suffered way too much, she was hated by the village, her parents were killed and she was taken in by her abusive parents, her brother disappeared and left her to live on her own, her uncle came back to abuse her, she had to live through her friends going insane and even killing her sometimes. She never went crazy, one of the few main characters in Higurashi who didn't.

I'd say she's should replace Alibaba (60/0) as that's more of a meme slot. Either that, or replace with the Idolmaster girl who's definitely way too high.

I still don't think Okabe is rated high enough on the suffering scale

Zero Okabe doesn't even get to exist when he saves the world after his ungodly amount of suffering, a good deal of the assholes above him don't conciously erase themselves from time-space but alright.

>>157337999
If that's your argument then her 'deserved' score should be way higher than 35.
It's her lust for meduka that brings the apocalypse.

>>157338064

>never went crazy

>>157337189
already in

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>>157337999
Being nearly killed isn't suffering, otherwise every character in every anime would be up there. Not being able to experience it is bad, but it's not deserving to be THAT high.

>>157338064

>>157337886
We aren't shown just how long Kars was floating around in space before he stopped thinking. It could have been many years for all we know. We just got "Eventually".

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Mid suffering, low deserving.
Maybe 60/50

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No love for the Chocolate man? Sure his show was shit but I still think he deserves a spot.
That blank space next to Sakura (50,70) or Alois (40,60) would be pretty much perfect for him.

>>157337967
>>157337967
How in the flying FUCK did Punpun suffered more than Okabe?

>>157338121
That's my point. He spent at most 80 years before he stopped thinking, but that doesn't sound that bad compared to what others on the list suffered. He didn't even feel pain, he just lost his thoughts from boredom.

>>157338084
OP is being hesitant about it for some reason. I already told him he should be equal with or above Homura but he won't put him above 80.

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While we wait for updates from the current editing anon, it might be interesting to see how neighboring characters interact, to make it more focused than comparing them with everyone from their row and column.

>Pick a character
>Do they suffer more than the character below but less than the character above?
>Do they deserve it more than the character to the left but less than the character to the right?
>If yes to both, character is placed correctly in relation with its neighbors
>If not, change accordingly

Then keep going until the chart starts making sense. Ideally, considering characters belong to different genres, suffering would be relative to the character and should be valued on how much of a big deal it is for him/her, but that's never going to be a perfect system.

>>157337967
Who's far top left?

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>>157337823
Done.
>>157337967
I moved Kirino anyway, but I still think that 80D is too much for Taiga.
>>157338164
I'd say 50/50 is more fitting.

So what was the reason for Bernkastel being 90/100?

>>157338192
OP please put Okabe on S85/D25, he suffered a lot

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>>157337967
Please swap spaces of Uzuki and this girl. Uzuki being that many suffering squares higher is deeply disturbing.

>>157338207
Mion should be lower. She is above Kaneki, Sayaka and Alphonse, that doesn't make any sense. She never did anything wrong to deserve it either.

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>>157338238
carol for S5 D10

>>157338240
I would assume that they're operating on the assumption that eternal life is the worst suffering that could be inflicted on someone. But Bernkastel doesn't actually exist in Umineko, so she shouldn't be on there in the first place.

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20 Deserve
35 Suffering

>>157338192
OP is a fag, then. It's either we have 2 characters or we go with the higher suffering

>>157337826
Yes, deserving is even more abstract.
Maybe:
0-20 was a good person and any suffering is unjustified
20-40 had good intentions but took some bad decisions or an asshole victim of circumstances
40-60 unjustifiably selfish/asshole characters that are not exactly evil criminals
60-80 psycopaths and characters who decided their faith from perfectly free will
80-100 people who enjoy making other people suffer for no justifiable reason

>>157338240
>>157338284
She should at least be at the level of Rika, since she's experience all of her suffering without a happy end, plus the thousands of years of boredom that came after.

>>157338312
Already argued for that too, he said there was no point in having two copies of the same character

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>>157338245
Done.
>>157338253
Who's Uzuki?
>>157338277
Added.
>>157338290
Added.

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Doflamingo for 100-100

And while we're at it, Law for 25/90.

>>157338085
>It's her lust for meduka that brings the apocalypse
There are so many things wrong with this statement that I'm led to believe that you've only read threads about the show rather than actually watching it.

>>157338119
>Being nearly killed isn't suffering
What is PTSD?

>>157338345

I just wonder why she deserved it.

>>157338361
Okabe is in his right place now thanks
>>157338367
Dofla is already in

>>157338397
Shit, my bad.

>>157337037
There's over 40 years of anime/manga. I'm pretty sure there are more characters that belong in the upper right.

>>157338335
Then why is Okabe at 25 for deserving it? His whole mad scientist act was literally to make it so his best friend wouldn't kill themselves

>>157338367
mingo is already there and fuck off with the inflated rating

>>157338388
She doesn't, since she's not real. It would be like including Mamiko from Nozaki's manga in Gekkan Shoujo on the chart.

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>>157337967
There are some really dumb placements in this chart.
I'd remove:
Kamina - he just died, and a quick death while also helping his friends. Lived a happy life and was beloved by everybody.
Yui - why does she deserves to suffer? Is there a solid reason for it? Did she do anything to deserve it?
Tomoya - either remove or bring to 0 deserved. Same reason as Yui.
Misuzu - Same as above, why is it 20 deserved. She's the cliche'd perfect KEY protagonist. Her suffering is due to a curse placed 1000 years ago.

I feel like people are just using "deserved" as "I don't like this character".

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>>157338361
Uzuki is this girl, the one in (0, 55?)

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>>157338445

>she's not real

>>157338449
>Yui - why does she deserves to suffer? Is there a solid reason for it? Did she do anything to deserve it?
I agree with this anon, someone suggested Yui as a meme and we should remove it. She wasn't a bad person at all

>>157338407
All the shit that happened to him on Alpha was because he wanted to screw around with time travel and it bit him in the ass. He didn't deserve what happened to him in Zero though.

>>157338361
Switch the creepy dad from Paranoia Agent (Currently 20:90) with Adachi (20:85)

Creepy Guy is just a pedophile lusting over his own daughter while Adachi has one charge of involuntary manslaughter and one charge of murder

>>157338449
100% this.
Yui and Kamina should be removed.

>>157338361
Remove the S20/D0, it's the stupid penguin that fell in love with the Kemono friends character, he doesn't belong there.
And we REALLY need some space on D0

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>>157338361
Slut-san in (20,75) please

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>>157338475
>the meta narrative is totally real everything happened you just need more love please let me drink more of your cum R07-sama

>>157338384
>I'm led to believe that you've only read threads about the show rather than actually watching it
Back at you. Watch more than 50 anime series and maybe you'll find out more fitting characters to this position.

>>157338475
Not real in the context of the series' main universe, obviously

>>157338407
I didn't even post any character. It's just a guess how it would scale. And there are probably many very specific cases. But 25 is not much on the deserving scale, and lots of character sacrifice themselves for others. 0 would be characters with perfect intentions and that basically never did anything at all that could cause his suffering (that axis seems to be a mix of intentions and strategically wrong moves anyway)

Who's 0/100?

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>>157338451
Done.
>>157338449
Okay, I'll remove them.
>>157338541
>>157338556
>>157338563
Will do in a few minutes.

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Okuyasu never deserved to watch his brother die

>>157338607
Nobody knows, we should remove him

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>>157338361
Deserve: 20
Suffering: 5
Maybe?

>>157338621
He did. He was willing to kill Josuke and that stupid midget.

>>157338529
Even if he didn't fuck with time in Alpha convergence fields would still kill Mayuri. The First D-Mail was accidental and was the thing that kicked it all off. Also what the fuck kind of scientist wouldn't try and figure out a time machine.

>>157338449
>Tomoya
>0 Deserved
He ran away from his daughter for 5 years to live the life of the man he swore he'd never be. That's worth 5 Deserved.

>>157338616
>Ryouga

Whoever put that in there is funny.

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>>157338616
>dilandau is there, and at a suitable spot too

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>>157338657
because he is retarded and his brother told him to that nigger can't think for himself.

>>157338607
>>157338622

Frankly, Angry Manjew seems fitting for that post. He was tortured into becoming th embodiment of evil for absolutely no reason whatsoever while he was farming and raising goats.

>>157338658

He went snooping into SERN's business, so he does deserve it to some point.

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>>157335183
Is this argument settled then? Is nobody going to contest this point?

>>157335608
True but taken in with the wight of every thing else Subaru's life is far from good. Putting Him on the same tier as the ones in row 60-70 is a big understatement. I'll even settle for 85 if need be.

>>157337730
>>157338616
pls respond

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>>157338658
>Also what the fuck kind of scientist wouldn't try and figure out a time machine.
Understandable, but how about his great idea to spy the government and hack their site, making them aware of his intents?

>>157334369
Guts deserved it though.

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>>157338616
Put her above Ciel

>>157338723
>filename
>filesize
You're not OP.

>>157338707
This desu. A literal entire village did lots of fucked up shit just cuz evil exists n' shiet.

>>157338723
Fuck off. OP should probably set a temporary trip.

>>157338735
Hello Griffith how ya doing?