Why does Monogatari tell its story out of order?

>>157310120
Because it's 2deep4u

>>157310120
No idea, I felt completely lost until I watched Kizu 1-2-3.

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It doesn't matter why, but it's still your fault.

>>157310120
Ya cause no other franchise has ever done that before

>>157310300
Not to this degree

Pretentiousness

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>>157310120

>>157310574
This.

Art for the sake of art is not art.

>>157310120
It's Araragi and/or other characters telling the stories as they feel like. Eg. Araragi telling Kizu after the start of the series because he wasn't comfortable talking about it before.

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When is part 3 of Kizu coming out?

>>157312668
BD's are coming out early July I think, so it should come online around then too

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I find it weird how Monogatari, despite being rather mainstream, still manages to turn off such a large crowd of people. A lot of normalfag "weeb" acquaintances of mine couldn't watch it and got mad during the first couple of episodes. I had an all bravado tough guy mention that he can handle virtually anything only to drop it 20 seconds into the 1st episode.
Isn't that weird? It's like a filter.

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>>157310120
Literally because Haruhi did it

>>157310360
Nigga, all of haruhis first season was out of order.

>>157312846
Maybe it's because of the fact that it's a very slow-paced and dialogue-heavy series. Also maybe the odd art style is also a turn off though I really like it.

>>157312846
Same happened here, one guy who streams like 6 anime at the time, literally watches 32 animes per season, even all the absolute trash you can imagine, dropped it after the first episode too.

Also note that I consider him a shounen fag and his taste so fucking shit too

>>157313078
Also fanservice and inconsistent storytelling.

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>>157313121
>Streams

>>157312846
Perhaps because it is shit.

>>157310120
They need some plot mystery on this shallow franchise

>>157312846
I feel like Bake is the most normalfag friendly show out of all of them except maybe second season. They'd probably have a heart attack from some of the Nise or Tsuki scenes

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Why is there so much Monogatari?

Like Jesus Christ, I enjoyed watching through the first few seasons and working through the content at first, but after feeling like I've gone through a good bit I decide to check back on my progress and realize I haven't even made it through half of the aired content yet.

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>>157310120
It makes sense if you watch it all

>>157313523
Because nisio is a graphomaniac.

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>>157313078
I feel the unique dialogue and art are what make the series.
But thats jus me

>>157313517
Have you forgotten that scene where Nadeko gets throatfucked by Jagirinawa?

>>157312668
They screened in some US theatres last month. BD should be soon I thinking

>>157310120
Guess the author took a page out of Pulp Fiction

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I'm a fucking dentistry student and i whenever i have to teach preschool kids how to brush their tooth i remember this scene. Fucking anime ruined my life. But i still love monogatari, great show with great story and even if it's only a few, great boners too.

Because it's what all the Boogiepop wannabes did.

>Haruhi
>Baccano!
etc

Because piecing events together is fun.

>>157312866
That was just Kyoanus shitty adaptation

Monogatari at least makes some sense, even out of order.

Characters are introduced in such a way that they'll never show you an interaction between people you don't know. Even if it's not "the first time they've met," as is the case for Shinobu or Oshino, that doesn't mean they aren't introduced as relevant parts of the story, and it doesn't matter how Araragi knows about them.

Never felt lost at all, except for when Shinobu first talks and is revealed to be in his shadow.

>>157313696
how does it feel to have someone brush your teeth for you

>>157313696
Well, we have done that too, if it's gentle and looking at your eyes it- STOP RUINING MY LIFE ANIME

>>157310574
>>157311793
>"I'm too stupid to follow a disjointed timeline"
Never try reading books

The order isnt really that bad. Most of the out of order-ness are just prequels that go at the very start of the timeline, and the only ones that might be remotely confusing timewise are the SS arcs/Hana. Looking at the main works, Bake -> Nise -> SS -> Owari all have matching chronological and release order.

>>157310120
Why is OP's life out of order?

>>157314016
That scene when shinobu talks for the 1st time was great. You spend almost 20 episodes with her basically mute, and out of fucking nowhere, she ends up being one of the most fun character in the show.
But to go back to the original point, I think that Bakemonogatari (and all of its declination) did the whole out of order thing pretty well.
If you read the book, you get that feeling even more, because there's a lot of throw back to events you've never seen in it too. It doesn't hinder the understanding of the story, but it creates an interesting world, where a lot of things ends up being tied.
The S2 shows that pretty well.
And for the normie-repellent aspect, I guess it's because it's a pretty heavy dialogue and story oriented show, the normies need their action scene to be satisfied.

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Monogatari is the Kingdom Hearts of anime. Retcons everywhere, time travel shenanigans, a cast of characters that never seems to stop growing and it's liked by edgy teenagers due to its pretentiousness.

I still like it just like the rest of you do

>>157310120
Because Shart is a retard slave studio.

>>157316724
>Shaft made the Monogatari series
you dumbass

I wish hitagi didn't cut her hair

>>157315076
>>157315076
>"I'm too stupid to know what pretentious means"
It's ok anon, you can admit you have a shitty grasp on the English language

It always surprises me when someone complains about Monogatari not being chronological. Is their exposure to mediums of storytelling really that shallow? How does one manage such a feat in a world where entertainment is dominated by those mediums? Achronological storytelling is bread and butter, and it's nothing more than the removal of an unnecessary restriction on the writing, allowing the author either to tell a story in a way that's closer to how they want to, or to tell a story that simply cannot be told chronologically.

You can just imagine that there's a "main" story line going on with the books that are "out of order" being flashback/backstory volumes.

/a/ elitists always claim the Monogatari series is a normalfag series. How is this even remotely the case? I'd consider DBZ, One Piece, SAO, AOT, Re:Zero and the likes normalfag series and they are all worlds apart from Monogatari. Is this just another one of those things the edgy 17 year olds that browse this site say trying to justify their elitism like with the 3x3 threads?

>Muh obscure taste get out norman reee

>>157318292
It's literally the bestselling anime of all time. Most people who are into anime are Japanese. Ergo: normalfag series.

>>157315591
This.

>>157315076
>>157318106
There's a difference between not liking something and not understanding it. You can't write off every criticism in life with "You just don't get it" you fucking teenagers.

>>157313121
>streams
>his taste so fucking shit too
Who would of thought.

>>157310120
only ss was out of order

>>157318342
unless it's for their kids I don't think normalfags buy anime

>>157318342

I don't think that's a very good way to measure how much of a normalfag series it is. By that logic DBZ/OP/SAO etc etc wouldn't be considered normalfag series or not as much? There are too many things to factor in such as availability, price, advertising, etc. Comparing the West to the Japs also isn't a very good way to measure it. They are far more likely to purchase Blu-rays/DVDs and less likely to stream like the western normalfags do.

>>157318292
Reddit and my anime list love it despite not understanding it in the slightest.
They actually think Araragi and Crab is a good relationship and are in true love. I just don't understand how anyone could be so deluded.

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I went into this series thinking nadeko would be best girl
I was very wrong

I wanted to pick it up though, is it actually good? Will I like it if my favorite manga/anime are Genshiken, Angel's Egg, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō and Lain?

>>157318684
Reddit and MAL are deluded about 95% of the time. This is not an isolated case.

It's to draw your attention away from the story itself, because it's all about the characters.

>>157318731
It's a fun time but it's no where near edgy enough for the like of you.

>>157318731
I just started it a few weeks ago
I'm watching nekomonogatari kuro right now
I enjoy it quite a bit
I see how people say it's pretentious but the artstyle is nice, the girls are cute, and the fanservice is good.

>>157312846
Couldn't self insert into a character who got a gf within the first couple of episodes and still had a harem, Most likely the reason why

>>157313593
>the things that make it unique are what make it unique

no shit anon

>>157310120
Why does the fanservise stop in the recent series? Owari's only fan service was monkey for 30 seconds.

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best

>>157318959
>what make the series
He didn't say that's what make it unique he said that's what makes it good

>>157318684
t.catshitter

>normie friendly
>bath scenes

Reminder that Kagari is a slut that likes older men dicks

>>157313523
Bakemonogatari - (2009-2010) - 15 episodes
Nisemonogatari - (2012) - 11 episodes
Nekomonogatari - (2012) - 4 episodes
Monogatari 2nd Season - (2013) - 26 episodes
Hanamonogatari - (2014) - 5 episodes
Tsukimonogatari - (2014) - 4 episodes
Owarimonogatari - (2015) - 13 episodes
Koyomimonogatari - (2016) - 12 shorts
Kizumonogatari - (2016 - 2017) - 3 movies

Total - 78 episodes / 12 shorts / 3 movies
It isn't that long.

>>157313930
Wasn't the Baccano LN actually chronological order? Wasn't it just the anime that mixed the stories of the first three books?

>>157313696
Same, when I rewatched Nisemonogatari all I could think about were the brushing techniques

"Pretentious" is the ultimate meme criticism. Calling something pretentious is admission that you lack the capacity or the ability to express why you didn't like something.
I am actually fucking angry that idiots in this thread are insinuating that non-linear narratives and new-wave direction is intrinsically pretentious. Neck yourselves.

>>157322425
don't be silly anon, they have the ability to express why they don't like it, they are just lazy and saying it's "pretentious" is easy and gets the job done

>>157319096
Shinobufag here, but I also don't realy like crab

>>157322699
Literally no one does

>>157322994
Hey, I like crab. The one I don't like is snake.

>hating any of the girls

The only girl I could hate was Snake when she went full batshit insane but after ((Kaiki)) helped her you can sorta see why it happened. Other than that all the girls are great.

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>>157318705
aww yea

>>157319332
It's pretty long for what it is. There aren't many series in the past 8 years that are pushing 100 episodes that aren't for kids or family shows.

Not that I'm complaining, I'd always hoped this would be the case but even 50 episode anime are rare. I'm not sure what standard you're using but, yeah, monogatari is pretty long by any reasonable standard I can think of. And also very dense, it doesn't get it's length through filler and padding.

>>157315076
Ironically I've actually spent more time reading novels than watching anime. Nisio's work is not deep m8, it's pandering of the highest order

>>157324168
>Nisio's work is not deep m8
No one has claimed this fagtron

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>Anime? Pssch. I READ and I GAME.

>>157310120
The author makes shit up as he goes.

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>>157315591
>pretentious = edgy

>>157312846
Monogatari confirmed pleb filter.

Nise's Vertical cover us much better than the Bake covers.

>>157313523
Shaft signed a contract.

/\0_w_0/\

>>157318342
So? There are lot of Gundams and K-On (which is shown on the Japanese Disney Channel) on that list too.

Is katanagatari the best monogatari?

>>157312668
July

>>157324168
How is nonlinear storytelling an attempt at being "deep"? Do you even know what pretentious means?

>>157326243
yes

>>157312846
Monogatari has some things most anime don't
>Heavy in dialog
>Unreliable narrator
>STRONG visual motifs (constantly riffs off of the French New Wave movement)
>A main character that solves problems not by being a badass, but by getting help the majority of the time
>A very limited cast
>No one-shot episodes (except Koyomigatari)
>Every character has massive glaring character flaws that aren't just there to make them endearing
The thing about Monogatari is it sucks at being an "anime" a lot of the time. Sure, Kizumonogatari is pretty run of the mill, but it lacks the "Believe in yourself, YOU CAN DO IT!" or "Friendship is Magic!" or "Everything is shit! Let's make it more shit!" kinds of narrative most anime has. If you go into on the premise of "Araragi, a part human part vampie chained to a loli-vampie, defeats monsters." you would have no fucking understanding of the show.
Yeah, sure, it has tons of Ecchi, but it's... I don't know, not really the same as if you were watching an actual Ecchi.

It also doesn't help that a large part of the dialog in Monogatari is literally discussing how to be mature. The show blatantly thumbs it's nose at tropes of "true love" and "a relationship can get through anything!" or "you're fine the way you are!"
>Senjougahara blatantly tells Araragi that if someone who came along that was 100% compatible with her than him she'd leave in a heartbeat
>Subaru and Hanekawa both get told, in no uncertain terms, they can't fucking have what they want
>Araragi's relationship with Senjougahara explores how lovers are supposed to better one another
>Araragi's relationship with Shinobu explores the loyalty of two people intimately tied to one another

I dunno, maybe I'm looking into it too much, I really like Monogatari. Or maybe it's just a show that people who don't value maturity or something like that fucking hate. I mean >>157313121
how his weeb friend hates it, christ, if 32 animus a season doesn't scream manchild what does?

>>157327117
>Sure, Kizumonogatari
Correction, meant Nisemonogatari.
The season that was never meant to exist

>>157310120
Retcons. You think he had this all planned out?

>You'll never be this mad.

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>"It's trying to hard to be pretentious and deep"

How the fuck do people think this? It's the complete opposite.
This anime is literally "Exposition - the show". Everything is spelled out directly to the audience. Entire episodes and monologues dedicated to explaining what's going on.

It's just a vehicle for fanservice and funny dialog. I don't see were the hysterical hate comes from.

Remember gore spam when Bake aired? I can't even begin to understand how do people get so irate by something so inoffensive.

>>157310120
watch Baccano! kid
the fucking ending is in the opening

>>157328868
Anime fans have been conditioned to think that weird visuals are always "symbolism."

>>157329380
Well, Monogatari actually has a fair amount of symbolism, but it actually ties in to the story rather than just looking cool.

>>157312853
The Haruhi novels were released more-or-less in order. They just seem screwy when collected because some of the volumes are monthly chapters and some were released as full volumes (for example, most of the chapters in volume 3 were printed in a monthly magazine before volume 2 was released).

>>157329380
Monogatari has the most blatant, in-your-face symbolism possible. The entire fucking series literally revolves abstract ideas manifesting as animal-themed ghosts.

>>157327326
>The season that was never meant to exist
Bake was never meant to exist either.

>>157310120
Because hack writers.

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>>157329574
look at this symbolism

What kind of stuff did Nisiosin retcon over the course of Monogatari? From what I remember he just slots events into time periods that were never shown/referenced.

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>>157333042
A lot of the later stories are purposefully vague and inconsequential just to not mess with continuity. Can't think of any blaring retcons.

>>157310120
forced complexity

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>>157333042
There was no retcon, just events he left vague and changed from his original ideas later.

Sodachi Oikura is the best example, Kizu refers to an event he can't remember that changed him from a warrior of justice to a loner, It also mentions how he could only get into the elite school because of how good he was with math. But the character herself was just a background character he liked while writing Ougi Formula that he then developed as a "could have been the heroine if the situation was different" character and the origin of his trauma, instead of, according to a rumor, a male childhood friend who killed herself. Though he might have been already wanting to change that idea as he had already used it for Rouka. I think Seishirou was also supposed to be introduced earlier in second season but he couldn't and had the idea on hold.

>>157333469
There are a few minor ones that are Shaft's fault. Like the flashback to sawari neko's first appearance in Bake, changing the encounter location in Kizu, and Araragi wearing the wrong jacket in Neko Shiro. Hell, the jacket one could even be attributed to an unreliable narrator since Hanekawa probably didn't realize Araragi came to her rescue in women's clothing.

>>157318106
you are deluding yourself if you believe that shitgatari could not be told chronologically.

>>157333700
I heard something about him rewriting Shinobu Mail 3 times in order to get things right. That's probably what delayed Seishirou's appearance.

>>157333730
That post says nothing of the sort. Your strawman isn't even standing in the correct field.

>>157333790
did you read it til the very end? illiterate ape

>>157333843
I did. You need to brush up on your grammar, ESL monkey.

>>157322425
Pretentious: pretending to have more value or worth than in actuality

Monogatari is just fanservice pretending to be deep, aka pretentious

>>157333894
ctrl+f "cannot be told chronologically" and tell me what you see, retard. Are you incapable of following a train of thought? logically impaired?

>>157334013
Oh, the irony

>>157315591
>retcons everywhere
Where then?
>time travel shenanigans
Monogatari is a semi-episodic series where the characters encouter a new supernatural phenomenon each episode. Literally every series of that nature has a time travel epsiode. Not to mention that the time travel in it is used completely differently from the time travel in KH.
>a cast of characters that never seems to stop growing
Monogatari adds nowhere near as many characters per installment as KH, plenty of installments add no new characters at all, and when it does add new characters it has good reason to. It has a reasonably large cast by now, but so would any series that's been going for 22 volumes and takes place over multiple character's lifetimes.
>it's liked by edgy teenagers due to its pretentiousness
You just used the worst two buzzwords and neither of them actually fit. Edgy teenagers like KH because a lot of the elements in KH are incredibly edgy. Edgy teenagers don't like Monogatari at all. Barely anyone likes Monogatari, it has nowhere near the same mainstream appeal that KH has. You can say that Monogatari is realtively "popular" within the otaku crowd, but the otaku crowd are a very small niche to begin with and there are tons of shows more popular with them than Monogatari anyway.

>>157312846

This series has a gratuitous amount of violence at times so it's honestly impressive to see how fucking boring it manages to be as a whole. I dropped it towards the end of the ((((first))))) season because every other scene was them talking off on some bullshit tangent trying to be revelatory and I eventually couldn't give enough of a shit about their next high school philosophy lecture.

The courage to see a shit show for what it is.

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>>157318684
>They actually think Araragi and Crab is a good relationship

delet ths

>>157334286
I liked how the time travel was used to put up a neon sign that said "Shinobu is confronting her past self" but it was so big you have to step back a bit to see it.

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>>157335071
The official timeline is better.