Are these the best battle shonen ever? Do you agree?
>>157297673
>no Dragon Ball
>no Jojo
>no Yuyu Hakusho
>>157297689
I'm not referring to the importance of manga, but to their objective quality. Dragon Ball, JoJo and Yuyu are manga full of mistakes and inconsistencies from the point of view of the script.
Fuck off.
>>157297673
Ohtaka's colors are amazing compared to others. I would like a colorful manga from her.
>>157297673
>magi
Shit taste.
>>157299025
Magi is the best with FMA. All the others are a step below.
>>157299980
lol
>>157297689
>no Yuyu Hakusho
Good.
>>157300022
>pow pow pow
>>157297817
Yuck, we are talking about comic books. You can fuck off with this underaged shit
>>157299980
>Magi
>FMA
Thanks for the chuckle.
Get magi the fuck off the list
>>157300022
Togashi was way past bored by then
>>157297673
2 of those are incomplete so I probably wouldn't even consider them, especially with how a big of a shitshow Magi is at this point
Ushio and Tora was pretty based with how it built up Hakumen throughout the entire series and actually managed to deliver on a great final fight.
>>157300115
I'd also take off Shaman King. Both of them have too many flaws, Hunter x Hunter deserves to be disqualified solely on the artwork.
>>157299025
>>157299980
Magi definitely started out good, I'd even go so far as to say it was great for the first few hundred chapters. It went downhill fast though, right around the time of that extended flashback full of characters no one gave a shit about. It just never recovered is all.
>>157297817
Jojo's inconsistencies are part of its charm though and I'm not just making excuses. If they were detrimental to the story then David Pro would have retconned them but they didn't. The coffin thing and everything else adds extra wtf to a story thats already full of wtf. Especially when you take into account most of the inconsistencies were small details that didn't directly affect the storyline which Araki is great at presenting.
YYH, okay, I'll admit the mazoku thing came out of left field and there were lots of silly things going on in the final two arcs but I don't want to hear about objective quality when you have Shaman King on your list and its ending suffered from pretty much exactly what YYH's did.
>>157300127
>bored
The nigga was dying, you knave. His health had declined so badly by the time we got to this fight that I'm surprised we got even that much. Still better than some of HxH's panels though.
>>157300209
> Hunter x Hunter deserves to be disqualified solely on the artwork.
I didn't know this was still 2005-2006
>>157300295
It was health and boredom
He said so himself that did all he could with the characters by the time the CB arc concluded.
dragon quest dai no daiboken is one of the best classic battle shonen
>>157297817
>objective quality
oh my god fuck off
>>157300232
Do you realize you're totally subjective? What problem has the flashback? What are the problems behind the flashback? There are no objective defects, zero. I do not understand who does not accept the quality of the Magi, has a divinely written script and well-characterized and deeply psychologically characters, as well as very mature tematics compared to other shonen and very beautiful, almost experimental drawings in some pages.
>>157300617
I agree. Is there any other battle shonen better than Magi currently being published? I see no one at the level of Magi. Surely it is one of the best shonen of recent years.
>>157297673
>HxH
NO.
>>157300849
Are memes all you have, anon?
>>157300961
>>157301182
So yes, then
>>157301182
To be honest, if it means that we get more chapters of HxH, I couldn't care less about the artwork.
>>157300961
Where is ろくでなしBLUES?
Where is YYH?
Get some taste or kill yourself you fucking nigger.
We all know that the best shounen series is bleach
>>157297673
>>FMA
It's not a battle shonen. It's a steampunk action manga.
>>Magi
It's not a battle shonen. It's a fantasy manga of adventure and politics.
>>157301497
>Where is ろくでなしBLUES?
This.
>>157301381
Magi is garbage.
>>157301598
It's not such an amazing manga as you think. There are many similar ones, it has nothing unique.
>>157301649
>SK is garbage.
>>157300232
>Magi definitely started out good
It didn't. It started out generic, with boring characters I couldn't get invested in. The art isn't even good--the amount of sameface in the series could kill a man.
>>157301649
Now I'm sure of one thing. Those who do not have a certain cultural and historical level can in no way understand why Magi is incredible.
>>157301568
Thanks for pointing this out. FMA is definitely not a battle shounen. I don't know about Magi; I quit pretty early because it's fucking garbage.
>>157301825
>>generic
No.
>>The art isn't even good
No.
>>157301874
Oh god, one of these fags
>>157300849
I'm not going to defend the scribble pages (even though they've been fixed) but do people seriously believe that all of HxH is drawn that badly? At first I thought it was just memeing but 9 times out of 10 if you ask someone why they won't read the manga they always post the same 5-6 pages as a response.
>magitards
>>>/fujo/
Buddy, you can say whatever you want, but no matter how many times I read the fight between Goku and Vegeta, the excitement and the hype continue. I don't care if it's not as strategic as a HxH, or well written as a FMA, I just know that when I re-read I feel like a 10 year old again. It is a sensory experience that none of these titles you quoted can beat.
>>157297817
All quality is subjective
>>157297673
Gash Bell is, definitely. Or, at least, it's one of them.
>>157301874
>Those who do not have a certain cultural and historical level
Using pseudo-intellectual jargon is really not helping your case.
I've read plenty of comics in my time, battle shounen or otherwise, and Magi is nowhere near what I consider good. It started out with a tiny bit of promise, which was soon squandered on characters that bored the shit out of me and art that failed to impress. I tried so hard to like it, but I just couldn't.
>>157302102
>>FMA
>>well written
Seriously? The screenplay is full of absurd coincidences, too many forcing. I do not think so well written.
>no criticism at all for zatch bellthe way it should be
>>157302218
this is because no one ever read it
>>157302218
It's probably that these fags haven't even read it.
;_;
But it's the best.
>>157301976
That art isn't as good as you think it is. It's nothing I haven't seen before. I guess it reminds me a little of Hellboy, but reminding me that I could be reading Hellboy instead of a boring shounen manga isn't a sign of quality.
>>157302102
Strategy fights are overrated nowadays. People who always put reason over emotion are boring.
>>157302268
some dude last year dumped a volume a day until it was over and it was a pretty fun time
>>157301984
IThose pages are 5 to over a decade old and have long since been fixed.
It's either memsters or people with low attention spans acting as if this were 2005
>>157297673
eh
I don't think the weirder mid-2000s shounen like FMA, Soul Eater or Air Gear would really count as battle shounenand if they do, then all three deserve their spots on the list of bestonly if you pretend AIr Gear ended halfway through though
>>157302311
It is fun, but of all the works of the author, I prefer Doubutsu
>>157302164
I appreciate art because it is not anonymous. I appreciate the characters because they are very well characterized psychologically. I appreciate writing because it does not contain any errors. I appreciate historical and literary references. What can be said to be a fault in Magi? Nothing. You may not like it, but it does not have serious defects.
>>157302102
The fight against the saiyans actually had a lot of great character moments, no bullshit power-ups and great choreography.
Ushio & Tora is shit. I feel sorry for it, but I was really disappointed.
>>157302380
It's not bad, but I prefer Gash.
Just slightly different tastes.
>>157302297
You are unfair. I do not speak western comics. Let me see you another shonen manga with the same graphic experimentation of Magi.
>>157302531
So...Magi?
>>157302386
>it does not contain any errors
Pffff.
No but really, you're putting it on a pedestal with no foundation. What the fuck is art that's "not anonymous"? It's good just because it has literary references? Is Family Guy a masterpiece, then? Plenty of references there.
Also that page you posted really isn't helping your argument about the art being good. See that face in the top left? Everyone in the manga makes that same damn face. The. Same. Damn. Face. I legitimately can't tell who that character is meant to be.
>>157302288
Gashbell is one of the most overrated manga ever. It's a shit. A manga that can not be taken seriously.
>>157297673
I want to be ravaged by Alibaba
>>157302386
A couple things I dislike about Magi:
1- The fights are pretty weak. They don't matter much because Magi's strengths lie elsewhere, but I still have to say that they are not impressive or particularly entertaining most of the time.
2- The series really lost its original feeling. The moment Alma Torran was introduced, magic and Rukh stopped being these mystical, fantastical things and became a science instead. This was purely intentional, it's hard to say it's an actual flaw, but a lot of people were turned off starting from this point because this simply made Magi lose points in pure entertainment value.
Having said that, I love Magi. I love how debating is more important than fighting. I love how the characters and setting do more than just war and fight. I love how everyone legitimately has good arguments, heroes or villains.
>>157302648
Literally nobody knows about Gash Bell, except the hundred Anons who read the dump.
It's not overrated.
>>157302149
Love how it embraces the generic battle shonen cliches and executes them with such heart instead of trying to go the "I ain't like other battle shonens" route.
I usually fucking hate the "power of friendship asspull power up" trope but god damn I can not complain about the final Clear fight at all.
>>157302648
>being this autistic
>>157302631
I did not mean drawing style, idiot. I was referring to the direction and pagination of the pages, which are not trivial.
Can we all agree that Shaman King is the worst one out of the six ?
>>157302648
>A manga that can not be taken seriously.
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say here.
>>157302720
And it also had tons of strategy. And great characters. And good powers. And a good story(Except Clear). And great humor.
Overall, 9.5/10, my favorite of all time(Though some other really good, non-shounen, series give it a run for its money).
Great stuff.
>>157297673
Togashi is the only good shonen author.
>>157302310
there's a world of fun through decision making, most people sadly haven't experienced it yet.
>>157302741
Magi is the worst one.
>>157302740
I get what you mean, the paneling. I won't argue that >>157302531 has above average paneling. But I just don't think the whole package can compare to truly great examples of shounen manga. I'm considering not just the composition of the page, but the art as a whole, and I'm just not that impressed with Magi.
>>157302666
1) Fights are not the center of Magi. It is true that they are not all beautiful, but that of Alibaba VS Hakuryuu is surely amazing. Designed very well, pages in film sequence. However, the fighting is secondary, in Magi no enemy has been defeated by violence, not even one. All rivalries ended with communication. (Even FMA is terrible from the point of view of the fighting you, and yet for me it is an insignificant defect because it does not point to that, the same applies to Magi)
2) Alma Torran I consider it a masterpiece flashback. It has introduced incredible narrative possibilities. How did you lose the originality of Rukh? It's not true. It's not a science.
>>157303061
You know what? I might disagree with you, but I appreciate how much you obviously care about Magi. It's rare to find someone posting from their heart here.
>>157302741
Probably.
>>157302741
Yes.
>>157302310
to add to what I said here, >>157302903
caring about good decision making enough to understand the possibilities the characters can do, can enrich one's appreciation for a manga/anime through some mindblowing/insane/intense moments, that would likely be overlooked by the average reader/watcher. Reason can increase the tension in given moments.
>>157303061
When will David come back?
>>157302311
>The Gash Bell Storytime
God that was so fun going through that with everybody. From the reactions to Bao to Parco Folgore shit was probably the comfiest storytime I went through here. Kinda wish someone would do it again.
>>157302938
FMA=MAGI>>>HxH=Gashbell>>>U$T>>>>>SK
>>157303587
Holy shit no. No this is wrong as fuck.
>>157297673
could someone make a tierlist with those, regarding strategy? (intelligence gathering, adaptability, etc.)
>>157303566
I definitely want to do it, myself, in a few years.
Wasn't there a download for, like, 800 reaction images?
>>157302631
>>Everyone in the manga makes that same damn face.
>>157303587
FMA was good until the second half.
Magi is irredeemable garbage since somewhere circa chapter 100.
Gash Bell is almost perfect for shonen standards and HxH is a wild ride.
>>157303663
I know I made a few although I only have one left after my old computer crashed. I also had the 5 kanchome choreography moment saved as well. It was amazing how characters who were so dumb could make you feel so fucking hype.
>>157303698
>>Magi is irredeemable garbage since somewhere circa chapter 100
Maybe you meant that you did not like it. Because I have not seen writing defects in the last 100 chapters.
>>Gash Bell is almost perfect for shonen standards
Yes, but the standard shonen are shit. So it is not that different.
Gash > all
>>157303761
I was hoping you had the link.
I guess I'll look through the archives.
Boy, he sure drew good reactions, huh?
>>157303826
Agreed.
>>157303826
What is this stupid and childish shit? I'm not 10 years old anymore, it's not for me.
>>157303922
Unironically fuck off.
>>157303983
Don't get triggered by their bait, Anon. It reflects poorly on Gashfags.
>>157297689
Magi's battles aren't good enough to be considered top tier, ontop of having a pretty boring ability system. I can't think of a single memorable fight in Magi.
Dragon Ball absolutely should be on the list
>>157297673
FMA, HxH and SK... 3/6, decent list. Now add Rurouken and i might be more inclined to accept your list.
Question: without Chimera arc, HxH still would be top-tier?
Exam is fun. Tower is boring. Yorkshin is awesome. Greed is boring.
>>157304051
>>ontop of having a pretty boring ability system. I can't think of a single memorable fight in Magi
ALIBABA VS HAKURYUU
Anyway, Magi is not a battle shonen. It seems obvious to me that the battles are not amazing. Even FMA is not a battle shonen, in fact the battles are shit.
>>157304116
SK is shit. The final is shit. I don't even know what's on that list.
>>157300617
What about the fact that the ridiculous increase in powerlevels made Morgiana's training with the Red Lions, Alibaba's building a household, and Alibaba being able to see time in slow motion all useless?
What about the fact "that Judar magically survived Aladdin sending him to space?"
The Alibaba economics was dumb as shit too. Did we really need so many chapters of Alibaba going around to each, now boring, country asking them to install his products just so he could get back a letter telling him to fuck off?
Why didn't Kougyouku or Hakuryuu find out about " the Magic laboratory in the Kou Empire until Koumei came in. Who the fuck was funding that shit if they didn't even know about it and why weren't they told by Kouha's old assisstants?"
I like Magi, but it doesn't deserve to be in the upper echelon of Battle Shounens.
The art's good though.
>>157297817
You do realize that Dragon ball is unironically one of the best battle mangas ever made, and truth be told it suffers from very few flaws most of which are minor and technical in nature. There's a reason that Dragon ball set the standard for shounen for so many years after. To say anything else is newage contrarian nonsense.
>>157304152
Tower is pretty fun.
>nen wankery
>great fights
>tournament arc where no one gives a fuck about reaching the highest floor
>>157304152
>>Question: without Chimera arc, HxH still would be top-tier?
No. Chimera Arc is the only decent part of manga. The rest is shit. HxH writing is perhaps the worst of all the manga on the list (probably because Togashi doesn't want to work).
>>157304152
Greed Island is also fun.
Dodgeball and Genthru's final fight was fucking great.
>>157304255
Shaman king is fucking great. Granted the anime ending is... subpar compared to the far superior manga ending where Hao's strength is final and can't be surpassed with training and power ups but it has some great characters and an overall great villain.
>>157297673
FMA > (early) HxH > DB > YYH > (early) Magi > Gash
HxH and Magi not even in my top 5 taken in their entirety though.
>>157304351
Nice try, pallie
>>157304312
>mfw Dragon Ball's main flaw is that today's readers will find it full of stereotypes because it was so new and influent at the time, loads of its narrative strings became the norm and stereotypes of the largest genre in the media itself
>>157304369
>>157304152
The only thing that sucks about Greed Island is that it really only existed to get Gon/Killua to Kite and the nen eraser. All the rules and systems only apply to that one arc.
I actually don't hate the Chimera arc, it has alot of interesting abilities and new characters.
>>157302648
Thanks for being the obligatory contrarian.
You can go now.
>>157304369
>Dodgeball and Genthru's final fight was fucking great.
I agree, but the beginning was very boring. too much exposition.
replace HXH with One Piece and Shaman King with Soul Eater and its perfect.
>>157302741
Shaman king and FMA are the only two on the list I couldn't stomach more than ten chapters of. Definitely the worst.
Magi is pure shit and for fags.
>>157304471
Ehh, I didn't mind it.
I can appreciate Togashi's attempt at making a full fledged game with all its rules and restrictions.
>>157300209
Hunter x Hunter while overall good falls into a lot of flaws that run of the mill shounen do, but gets a pass because of fanwankery. In all reality hunter x hunter is chock full of heavy handed symbolism and an incoherent unfoucused narrative. Not to mention the fact that hunter x hunter has yet to have a truly exceptional battle aside from Chrollo v Lucifer.Now here come the Hunter apologists with their chinera ant and anticlimax nonsense becauae the fanbase refuses to see the manga for what it really is. A unique but average battle manga
Black Cat should be on the list (Manga, haven't watched the anime).
If you count Ranma as a battle anime (it's about 50/50) it should be on there too.
>>157297817
The original DB manga has no major inconsistencies. Toriyama was a good improviser and was consistent with everything that came before.
DB Super came 2 decades after and he just does not give a fuck anymore. Besides it's not part of the original manga.
>>157304481
Soul Eater would be the best thing if it wasn't full of holes.
And it might not really count as a battle-shounen.
>Maka v Chrona 2 tho
> yet to have a truly exceptional battle aside from Chrollo v Lucifer
At what point did Chrollo Lucilfer fight himself?
>>157302700
gashbell is pretty popular in spicland.
>>157304481
I dunno about One Piece, it suffers from pacing issues at times and Oda's paneling has gone to absolute shit throughout the years which is a big problem. Just replace it with DB instead.
>>157304711
meant for >>157304590
>>157304511
Shit taste confirmed
>>157297673
Disagreed.
>>157304590
>heavy handed symbolism and an incoherent unfoucused narrative
That's how fast a post gets chucked to the virtual trash bin. If it wasn't clear to you that HxH didn't have a linear story structure with Ging telling you the entire ethos of the damn series then it clearly isn't for you.
>>157297673
stop baiting faggot
>>157297673
This list is SERIOUSLY missing Rurouni Kenshin. It's FMA tier.
>>157302310
That's the thing fights in manga like DBZ are strategic. It's just strategy presented in a more subdued natural way. Go back and follow the motions of the characters in fights like Goku v Vegeta and you'll see a very strong sense of strategy. Unfortuanately for most anons strategy in fights is a character explaining his rue goldbegs esque schemes to the viewer
>>157304717
Yeah, I remember that they used to air the adaptation on a shitty local channel.
It was pretty comfy to watch Gash Bell after school.
>>157304845
How insulting
>>157304261
>>157304261
>>What about the fact that the ridiculous increase in powerlevels made Morgiana's training with the Red Lions, Alibaba's building a household, and Alibaba being able to see time in slow motion all useless?
What about the fact "that Judar magically survived Aladdin sending him to space?"
You can't read. Everything is clearly explained in the manga. No write error.
>>The Alibaba economics was dumb as shit too. Did we really need so many chapters of Alibaba going around to each, now boring, country asking them to install his products just so he could get back a letter telling him to fuck off?
Sorry, but are you aware that Magi is also a political and economic manga, so you have to concentrate a lot on world-building? Critics useless and meaningless. If you do not like these parts, do not read it first, because it is normal for us to see the themes that Magi seek to deepen.
>>Why didn't Kougyouku or Hakuryuu find out about " the Magic laboratory in the Kou Empire until Koumei came in. Who the fuck was funding that shit if they didn't even know about it and why weren't they told by Kouha's old assisstants?"
Are you stupid? It was a secret. Only a few people knew about those in power. Kougyoku and Hakuryuu had nothing to do with the political and economic management of the country.
>>157304559
I bet you're following it then.
>>157304511
>>157302938
>>157302741
80% of the list is shit
>>157304768
That was the best thing to come out of brazil
>>157304873
from what little I remember of the anime (Vegeta vs. 18, for example), it has a lot of whiffing, and occasionally the comment that Vegeta is retreating, meaning that at that rate, he'll lose.
>>157302377
FMA is more adventure than fights but it does really become a battle shounen at the end though. And a really amazing one.
>>157304845
I'm not sure I'd call Kenshin a battle anime though.
>>157304733
honestly i dont think Dragonballs pacing is all that better. Dragonball has the benefit of being complete though so you can just read it all at once. Toriyamas paneling is better than Odas ill give you that but i think One Piece's story surpasses DB in quality in my opinion so i think it makes up for it.
>>157304896
It's one of the few battle shounen that went beyond the stereotypes of the genre and delivers a more mature story. Keep saying whatever the fuck you want.
>>157302386
You're definitely putting it on a pedestal. It started off good but easily went to shit when it got to EXTREME MAGIC. If we are talking about consistency, Magi doesn't deserve to be on that list. It's premise was good but the author dropped the ball a while ago. There's a reason why so many people are disagreeing with you.
You need to be 18 to post here.
Missing toriko
>>157302531
Who is Tezuka
>>157305184
Oh boy, can I? Thanks!
>>157305016
I'm going to abandon 4chan. It's a shit. Listening to people who say that FMA and Magi are shit is absurd. Here you do not understand anything about comics. I do not read many manga, I just read western comics, yet I found very beautiful FMA and Magi. They are manga that anyone can read and say that they are of quality. Even those who have never read a Japanese comic book.
Is Chrono Crusade a battle manga?
>>157305264
Nigga you need to be 18 to post here
>>157305184
>delivers a more mature story
We are talking about a genre for childs.
"Mature" shonen is equivalent to seinen for retards and faggots.
>>157305264
>I do not read many manga, I just read western comics
It explains why you can't understand that FMA and Magi are subpar garbage.
>>157305204
I did not understand what you are talking about. You have not mentioned any defects. It's just your personal taste. If Magi speak of God and destiny, it is obvious that power levels are foolishly stupid. I do not see anything strange.
>>157297673
>Shaman King
Ah, childhood memories. What the FUCK happened with the author? The plot just got fucking...honestly strange might be the best word, at the end.
>>157297673
For straight-up art-porn battles, there is only one contender.
Is Hunter even a battle shounen? It seems fights happen in it rather than it's actually about fighting.
>>157305328
>Shonen/Seinen are genres
They are demographics, why can't people get this.
>>157304916
>Sorry, but are you aware that Magi is also a political and economic manga, so you have to concentrate a lot on world-building? Critics useless and meaningless. If you do not like these parts, do not read it first, because it is normal for us to see the themes that Magi seek to deepen.
I don't have an issue with that at all. At tis best, this focus on politics gives us nuanced world views and debates such as in the rivalry between Kouen Ren and SInbad (which stupidly got cut short by Hakuryuu's angst)
At its worst, the politics is cut short by a theological debate and focus on action the series is clearly more interested in. The series had to turn the Magnostadt arc into a battle against Djinn and the final arc into a battle against Sinbad rather than a political/economics debate. That shit is thrown out the window when shit like Al-Thamen get involved.
And the economics at tis best gives us a group of brilliant characters coming together to analyze the history, state, and culture of a nation to create the 'Kou Trading Company'.
At its worst however, the focus on economics becomes a slog through slow parts of the story where little is happening but Alibaba walking from Point A to Point B and dull repetition that becomes irrelevant when the series decides to turn into a battle against Gods.
Like I said, I appreciate the series' bold ambition, even as seen in its panelling/experimental art. I just don't think it works out as well as it should.
>>157297817
>Dragon Ball
>Literally one of the greatest manga series in terms of battles and choreography
>Not a good battle shonen
2/10
>>157305434
This is very good but is a manhua.
>>157304782
Don't be a faggot, I got the journey is more important then the destination theme. Afterall how could I miss it with how it's shoved in our face. It's not a bad theme at all it's just something prosaic presented like something groundbreaking. When I said incoherent I meant that the actual form in which the story is presented is incohernt because Togashi chooses to alter themes and motivations in order to make his next random plot point work. Chimera ant especially is plagued with this
>>157305264
FMA and magi fags everyone, kek
>>157304916
Also,
> Are you stupid? It was a secret. Only a few people knew about those in power. Kougyoku and Hakuryuu had nothing to do with the political and economic management of the country
Are Kougyouku and Hakuryuu, as emperors, not involved in the country's political/economic affairs as we saw with through their work with Alibaba in the final arc?
>>157305180
I disagree. DBZ storytelling at it's finest was able to make a death matter in a world that had already trivialized death. The stuff DBZ did with it's characters and lore is so powerful that to this day i've yet to see anyone match it.
most readers/watchers get filtered by the fanservice and/or the parodies/comedy, but I like when the characters do smart things in this one
dont worry OP i fixed it
>>157305434
fuck off Verlux
So I saw a few of those Magi episodes on Netflix while my brother was watching it and I was wondering how closely does that follow the actual anime. Because I fucking hated the main character and if the manga is the same I gotta agree that it doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this list. Of course if the anime is different then ignore this post.
>>157305495
Of course I understand. But in my opinion this is too subjective and has little to do with manga content, so some may please and others may not like it. In my case, I think Ohtaka has achieved its goals very well. Obviously to be able to say it with certainty you have to wait to see the final. (Hoping it's not shit like that of SK)
I'm looking forward to seeing the next Ohtaka manga, I hope it will be a seinen.
>>157305692
this page reminds me of her (and Akagi himself, of course, and Ten, regarding his endurance at the very last hand of the East vs. West showdown), regarding her not thinking normally. I like her weird perspective on things. Shame that we'll never get Mio's.
>>157305863
Magi has many main characters, not just one. Anyway, anime is shit. Read the manga.
>>157305559
>When I said incoherent I meant that the actual form in which the story is presented is incohernt because Togashi chooses to alter themes and motivations in order to make his next random plot point work. Chimera ant especially is plagued with this
Which is also false. There is no over arching theme or "plot" in this series aside from the simple "Find Ging" stuff. Gon was still very much interested in finding Ging. But the fact is, it was not his Sun and Stars. He said himself he also wanted to see what made the life of a Hunter so fascinating that his father would forgo parenting. This is what you would come to expect from a long journey with many "side trips". Each with their own unique feel and purpose to them. That's what lead to Yorknew, which lead to Greed Island and what led to Chimera Ant.
At the moment ongoing there is a better battle shonen than Magi?
>>157306273
One Piece
>>157306273
I'm enjoying Kimetsu no Yaiba, BnHA, and One Pice quite a bit.
>>157306322
This is pretty good, not many people seem to care for it for some reason. I'm assuming the art.
>>157306376
I said something funny, friend?
>>157306393
What is this?
>>157306240
You're not understanding. The way the story presents this comes off as unclear and disjointed, and transitions between arcs amount to the cmcharacters saying "let's do this now". This is extremely jarring since each arc is practically a 180 from the one before it in aspect. Disjointed is disjointed no matter how you look at it, and flaws in form like this are extremely glaring. Let's not even get into the overall quality of each arc.
>>157300209
That turkey though
>>157306393
Was the anime faithful to the manga?
>>157306435
Houshin Engi, worth to watch
>>157302218
>tfw Sherry is probably one of the better female characters in a Shonen series because she has a goal that isn't tied to the MC at all
>>157306530
Thank you, I will look at it.
Make way for the objective king of battle shonen
Brainlets will disagree
>>157306357
They are cute manga, but they don't come close to Magi's quality.
>>157306626
HnG is a spokon, man
>>157305223
THE FUCKING GUN PLANET
>>157306530
I haven't watched the anime but I know that it doesn't follow the manga all that much and deviates heavily. Worth reading, after all, it is based on an ancient chinese story or some shit, so even with all it's 90's goofiness it remains pretty refreshing compared to most other battle shonen.
>>157306461
Yeah, I've heard this line before.
Getting to Yorknew was already established in the earlier in the story, this wasn't a spur of the moment "Let's get their just because", there were actual reasons to go to that city. From Yorknew to Greed Island shouldn't even be a question if you followed paid attention at all. And Greed Island to Chimera Ant was admittedly a bit trollish but again if you paid attention, you'd know why Gon stayed with Kite after seeing him and why he remained in East Goruto after Kite's death.
>>157306607
As far as I remember the cast was pretty cool and fun, like a combination of Dragon Ball x YuYu Hakusho, pretty ebin.
>>157306955
Gotta read the manga, thanks m8
>>157307698
RUBBER
lets just agree that all battle shounen are garbage and deal with it
>>157308033
NEN
>>157297673
>HnK nowhere to be found
How about you kill yourself?
>>157305688
i mean i have read both and was personally far more impacted by One Piece. at this point its just a matter of personal preference.
>>157297673
Soul Eater was one i really enjoyed. Not so much because of the battles, but for the strange artwork and characters.
Maka was a great mc.
>>157303826
Still mad over how shit the anime was compared to the manga.
>>157306322
One piece has had some real problems after the time skip
>Fishman island was just a snorefest.
>Punk Hazard had the "And everyone is ok in the end" ending.
>Dressorssa went on for ages with stuff that feelt like fillers.
It started to pick up again with BM arc tho.
underrated
>>157301497
This guy gets it.
>>157297673
Hunter x Hunter and Gash are the only worthwhile ones on that image.
>inb4 crybaby fma fags
Face it, FMA is poorly written nonsense that only appeal to lowpowerlevel faggots.
>>157297673
what is that last series??
A guy I know unironically likes FMAB. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I haven't watched the series yet. Tell me things that I can say to him to trigger him.
>>157297673
Wait, FMA had fights?
>>157310294
>One Piece
Naruto for hipsters
>>157311383
Gash is to much monster of the week for me.
>>157297673
>mankin
mah nigga
but you're missing Dragon Ball
>>157300209
>I'd tale off Shaman King
Literally kill yourself you cunt
>>157302102
It's because Toriyama is a master at drawing action
>>157302377
Soul Eater and Air Gear are both trash
>>157297673
>no dragon ball
hah okay.
>>157304152
Greed Island was fun as fuck
>muh Chimera Ant
150 chapters of pseudo-intellectual bullshit, ass pulls and narration does not a good manga make.
>>157302741
No
Mankin is clearly the best in that list you utter shit-taste faggot
>>157304378
>where Hao's strength is final and can't be surpassed with training and power ups
It's time to remind them
Pic related, Yoh could have surpassed Hao but he decided against it because he wanted to save him(this is consistent with his character throughout the manga btw...Yoh is a saviour)
>>157304481
>replace Shaman King with Soul Eater
Holy shit literally fucking kill yourself you millennial scumbag redditor
>>157305180
>honestly i dont think Dragonballs pacing is all that better.
It clearly is lightyears better
Reading a Dragon Ball chapter is much easier and far less boring than reading an OP one
>>157305367
>What the FUCK happened with the author?
He's still making manga
Currently he's doing a manga about a cat samurai named "Nekogahara"You can find it in Madokami or Mangaseeonline.us
Pretty comfy manga desu
>>157305698
>Soul Shitter
>Wan Piss
>Took off mankin
kys
>>157311950
That's HxH
>>157297673
Go troll somewhere else, idiot.
>>157297817
>objective quality
We got a degree holder in battle shonen here!
>>157302648
I pity you.
>>157297673
>No Jojo
>No Dragon Ball
>No Hokuto no Ken
And instead you have Magi in the list. No, I don't agree.
List's pretty cool, although FMA and Magi are not battle shounen in the slightest. Where's Rurouni Kenshin or any of the 80s classics?
>>157297673
does biscuit hammer count as a battle shounen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sgZvEhXReM
anime never ever
>>157316095
I would not count it as a battle shounen. This and Onani Master Kurosawa will never get adaptations.
>>157297689
also no Otokojuku
>>157316095
Is a seinen.
>>157313183
I loved the Monster of the week parts. But it was only really the beginning that had lots of that.
>no Toriko
Are you even trying?
>>157316095
I said HEY
>>157297673
Magi and FMA aren't battle shonen. You should remove them from the list.
>>157313298
Air Gear has the merit of not being either Naruto or Bleach or...
Eternal GOAT battle shounen wis Fist of the North Star and nothing will ever be as good as it.
You can rhen pick whatever the fuck you want after that but I'd have Kinnikuman, Rokudenashi Blues,, Dragonball and if it counts as battle shounen Crows (if it doesn't then Ushio and Tora).
Maybe Ring ni Kakero should get a mention for being the prototype battle shounen manga before Kinnikuman but I've not read it so whatever.
>>157297673
Magi is not a battle shonen. No enemy is defeated by violence, but through dialogue. Indeed, there are no villains in Magi. For the rest, Magi are only philosophical, political and economical speeches. When a story can be considered battle shonen? In my opinion, when battles are at the center of attention in history, then Magi is definitely not a battle shonen.
>>157300849
>>157301182
>>157301381
Jesus, glad I saw the anime instead
Is HxH really shounen? It's so edgy and graphic that I'd be surprised if it's really targeted to a shounen demographic.
>>157317352
>Fist of the North Star
Some guy who does nothing but punch everyone really hard and really fast is not exciting. It's repetitive and boring.
>>157306626
got to shit later though
>>157317739
Even FMA and Magi are much deeper and mature than classic shonen, yet they are manga shonen.
>>157317786
Who would buy something like this for their children?
HxH is my favourite, but Dragon Ball is a timeless classic and so influential that it can't be ignored when talking about battle shonen.
>>157317802
I wouldn't want my 8-year-old(If I had one) reading it, but wouldn't stop a 15-year-old from reading it.
I'd say Jojo, Gash, and FMA are the top 3. I hear a lot of good things about HxH but I haven't read it yet.
>>157303566
I might do it again if I ever get around to making my own release with the higher res scans and translation fixes like I said I wanted to. But right now i'm not in a postion to spend time on it nor do I have money to buy them to rip from EBJ.
I did, however, buy the two guidebooks and the artbook, and would be willing to scan those provided somebody would be willing to translate the former or I could find a way to scan the latter without fucking the book itself up in the process.
>>157303663
>Wasn't there a download for, like, 800 reaction images?
yup, when I made the final thread for the gaiden chapter, I made a rar with a reaction image folder, all the anime ost sync videos, some fanart, and saved versions of every thread, though the formatting on the thread html files got fucked, might go back and make a new rar with that fixed.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxi90CWdsCj3NU5Qa2FXSzZMZXM
It's especially important because the sync videos all got taken off of youtube, or all of the ones from the main guy, anyways, so the rar is the only place to get them now.
>>157313183
This is fixed around volume 12, when it switches to being arc based. This is also around when the fights become more strategy based and everything in general improves.
I almost didn't dump the series at all because I was worried people wouldn't be into those first 12 volumes, because that's a pretty good amount of content till it really starts to take off.
>>157304590
>Not to mention the fact that hunter x hunter has yet to have a truly exceptional battle aside from Chrollo v Lucifer.
Every other arc after the first had at least one great fight
>Hisoka vs Gon (Heaven's arena)
>Genthru vs Gon (Greed Island)
>Razor vs players (Greed Island) [Not a fight but still a great confrontation]
>Assorted CA fights including Morel vs Leol, Phantom Troupe vs Chimera Ants, Netero vs Mereum, etc.
>>157306461
>and transitions between arcs amount to the cmcharacters saying "let's do this now"
Gon starts on trash island and becomes a hunter to find his father and follow in his footsteps. Befriends Killua who he then goes after following the exam arc.
After that they both go back to his house and Mito gives him the box containing the recording and memory card. Killua suggests getting money from the heavens arena since the York Shin auction won't happen for some time.
Heaven's arena happens, after they get their money and learn the foundations of nen they head off to York Shin. Events of York Shin happen. They gain access to greed Island Greed Island happens.
Upon completing Greed Island Gon uses his Accompany card to teleport to "Ging" which instead leads him to Kite because Ging is an asshole. He sticks with Kite for a bit helping him with his research which leads them to be pulled into the CA arc after the remains of the Queen wash up on the shore of the area they are currently in.
CA arc happens and Gon is hospitalized so Killua does his thing with Alluka. That ends and we arrive here. Gon is doing homework, Killua is traveling with Alluka, and we have shifted protagonists to Leorio and Kurapika; both of which have valid reasons for being in this arc right now.
How was this that hard to get?
>>157305264
> I'm going to abandon 4chan. It's a shit
>I do not read many manga, I just read western comics
Fuck off, retard.
>>157297673
FMA = good
Magi = good
HxH = Only the Chimera Arc is good.
Shaman King = Shit. And the finale is really shit.
Gashbell = Cute, but it's a very childish and structurally old manga, for 10 year olds.
U&T = Shit.
No Yu Yu Hakusho?
>>157320433
>for 10 year olds.
Because a kid trying to commit sucide due to abuse, somebody questioning what it means to die and having an exisential crisis, or clear having a huge bloody hole torn in his chest is for kids amirite?
Gash has a whimiscal tone to it at times and can be lighthearted but when it wants to get dark it gets pretty fucking dark.
No World Trigger, OP?
>>157321529
WT has some nice fighting, but because of the characters and the story is inferior to the others on the list.