One Piece

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First for Reiju

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>>157248850
Thanks anon, now i'm going to dump my Reiju folder

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>>157248874

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>>157248901

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End game right here, bros

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>>157248926

>>157248954
Hi OP

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>>157248961

>>157248792
>He's so weak, he hasn't beaten anyone strong yet
>He's OP, he's an ex-warlord and former captain
Why can't anyone make up their minds?

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>>157249006

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>>157249033

>>157249021
His power is inconsistent. Oda is debuffing him so he doesn't mess up the crew balance.

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Happy Straw Hat Day

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>>157249033
>>157249066
Cute

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>>157249066

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reiju is for rape

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>all this pink hair Reiju

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>>157249104

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>>157249145

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>>157249137
>all this black hair Luffy

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>>157249179

>>157248792
Mihawk is weak, he didn't killed Luffy

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>>157249210

>>157249188
I still just think the Vinsmokes look way better with blonde hair
Is a man not entitled to cute blonde women in his chinese cartoons?

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>>157249239

>>157249236
>Couldn't kill Zoro
>Couldn't kill Luffy
What a joke

>>157249188
why do they make croc a shichi? I bet arlong can body this guy

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>>157249276

>>157249314
Because as a Logia, he's still strong enough most of the pirate crews coming into the Grand Line. Luffy just got lucky against him.

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>>157249129
Pudding looks so hot there..
Too bad she looks ugly as fuck in the manga.

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>>157249319

>>157249292
>couldn't defeat Jozu
>couldn't defeat Vista
>couldn't defeat Crocodile

Honestly, Zoro should find another final opponent

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>>157249361

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>>157249401

>>157249355
smoker is a logia and he's only a captain when hes first introduced

>>157249314
Cause it was early as fuck when Crocoboi got introduced. Oda back then probably never planed to make this series so long

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>>157249447

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>>157249481

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>>157249517

didn't know reiju had pink hair until this thread. pleasantly surprised

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>>157249557

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>>157249593

>>157249261
But muh Super Sentai reference

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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGRESS PUDDING?

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>>157249639

>>157249651
That really did not need to extend to their hair color, their clothes would have been enough

Is the Wano arc leak about Kuina being Queen real?

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>>157249675

>>157249463
This, the longer a shonen is, the most powerlevels escalate, making the previous villains look like shitters.
Reminder that the shichibukais were introduced as one of the 3 world powers with the Marine and the Yonkos.

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>>157249709

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>>157249742

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>>157249775

When will Sanji fuck his own sister?

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>>157249811

>people are actually butthurt about the Vinsmoke's color scheme

Wow, its almost like the "multi-colored rangers" trope was exactly what Oda was going for.

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>>157249852

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at least carrot still has blonde hair

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>>157249894

>>157249911
But what if I hate Carrot?

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>>157249924

>>157249930
Then you need to die

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>>157249872
Remember the butthurt over this nigga?

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>>157249957

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>>157249998

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>>157249930
that's like saying "but what if i hate zoro"

good luck with the rest of the series i guess?

>>157249872
I don't have an issue with her hair but I've seen this point made and it doesn't make any sense.

How many sentai series have the characters with hair colours that match their uniforms? It's the uniforms that are coloured, not the hair.

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>>157250026

>>157250031
>good luck with the rest of the series i guess?
What will antijinbefags do?

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>tfw

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>>157250069

>>157250077
Bitch about Carrot and Caesar Clown.

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>>157250102

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>>157250135
Last one

https://portgas-d-angel.tumblr.com/

>>157250135
why aren't you saving the full sized images?

>>157250171
Most of the fanart you posted was awful

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gonna take over from the reiju cancer

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>>157250243

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>>157250171
>3D

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>>157250243
Ey, Vizbro

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>>157250277

>>157249738
>Reminder that the shichibukais were introduced as one of the 3 world powers with the Marine and the Yonkos

Not really, they were introduced as a bid of Marines to balance themselves against the Yonkos by having some pirates on their side.

>>157250243
>pudding doesn't even appear in the chapter
>is on the character list over jinbe, nami, chopper, brook, judge, reiju etc.
nice

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>>157250077
both carrot AND jinbei are joining

"antijinbefags" way to extrapolate like a fucking retard, do you Spee D. Read not only the manga but the threads as well?

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>>157250321

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>>157250277
Gastino is such a cool character. He will totally fit as a strawhat

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>>157250359

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>>157250395
>>157250348
they don't change that every week, it's more of an overall important arc characters list

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>>157250336
Yes it did.

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>>157250427

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>the sweet commanders

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>>157250473

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>>157250503

>>157250535
>elbaph

>>157250535
>ELBAPH

>>157250535
>>157250568
Viz are hopeless with names

>>157250535
Thanks viz anon!

>>157250535
Based Vizbro

>>157250568
>>157250588

It's backwards of Hpable

>>157250535
>elbaph
hold the fuck up is this the canon name or Viz is fucking up on barosumi bear levels over here

>>157249086
This. How is Katakuri dodging 5 thousand tile fist? Its a fucking shockwave of any fluid matter and Katakuri's right next to it in a fluid state.

>>157250535
hey viz anon, do you happen to have chapter 858?
it's the only one from the whole cake arc that I'm missing. images in the archive are broken.

>>157250648
>implying its not a short for el-baphomet

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>>157250688

>>157250715
based

>>157250668
Its because Jinbe is a shit and Katakuri >>>> Jinbe.

It looks like the critical moment of Luphy, Beje and Seaser's plan to take down Big Mawm is close, thanks Viz anon!

>>157250657
bosoromi bear

>>157250750
actually i'll upload it like this
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/9TeHqZS4/file.html

>>157249738
You know what annoys me about this? In terms of power Crocodile still isn't that far away from new world level with his devil fruit abilities.
Oda just started this haki nonsense and characters tanking big ass hits, like Doffy. If haki was a super rare thing like it should have been, then Crocodie is still new world material.

>>157250668
>How is a guy with god-tier Color of Observation Haki dodging _____ ?
There's your answer anon
And Mochi is more solid than fluid anyhow

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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?

>>157250837
If Crocodile could haki his sand he'd be fucking insane

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>>157250828
nice, thanks

>>157249021
Like over half the warlords have been weak as shit

>>157250895
But Crocodile is a girl who will never master haki.

>>157250668
>Gear 4 luffy, aka the strongest shit in the strawhats crew, can barely defeat Cracker
>Katakuri is implied to be stronger than Cracker, and a fucking expert of dodging (strongest CoO ever + logia)
>"wow, why can't Jinbe hit him on his first try? fucking weak jobber"

>>157250909
only croc and moria.
and buggy.

>>157250839
But that's the thing, he isn't dodging at all. He dodged the "fist" but Oda seems to forget what the rest of the attack does.
And Kata being more solid than water doesn't count for anything when Jinbe can hit through Luffy's rubber.

>>157250923
Read what i put carefully. Im not fussed that Kata could potentially dodge Jinbe, he just fucking isn't in this panel at all when you consider how Jinbe fights.

>>157250941
Moriah never fought by himself
And Buggy is gag

>>157250954
I'm pretty sure he moves his entire body out of the way so that he can dodge the shockwave too.

Is the Monster Trio meme dead already?

>>157250916
Silly anon, that's why he's male now, so that he isn't just boring support tier

>>157250756
Kata is bigger jobber than jack

>>157251002
I'm sure that Katakuri is not a fluid anon.

>>157250941
>Buggy
>weak
>he fell for the ruse

>>157251018
How the fuck does that even work? Reread the impel down chapter when jinbei first uses it, its a huge AOE

Zoro will marry Reiju and he and Sanji will be brothers

>>157251061
Neither was Luffy rubber skin, but the shockwave still travelled to Luffy's internals. Think this was when they had a fight during fishman island

What are the in-universe reason to delay BM fall in another arc ?

>>157251053
Jack was a funny jobber. I actually feel bad for Kata

>>157250895
If i could haki my dick, i'd be fucking insane

>>157251101
He dodges into Jinbei, meaning the attack completely misses as he reforms around Jinbei's extended fist.

>>157250954
Luffy's body, though made of rubber, is still composed mostly of water as any other human, about 60% of his body is made up of water

Mochi however is only about 24% water going off of a recipe I found, so naturally Jinbe's shockwave would be less effective on Katakuri's body. This is assuming Katakuri didn't use his future sense to account for the shockwave and dodged it entirely as well.

>>157251172
if they can't beat her now, they have to delay it.

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>>157251157
I know it's a shitty edit, but maybe Kata dodged all the shockwave. He was really close to Jinbe.

>>157251053
>Katakuri fighting Pedro, Bege, Jinbe and Luffy all at the same time.
>All of his other siblings doing jack shit.
And yet you call Katakuri the jobber. Hmmm

>>157251384
Ceaser one shotted most of the SH crew no prob in PH

>>157251384
Jobber is pretty much used for anyone who fails, like Marco.
And Kata is failing.

>>157251227
While that could work, it's very hard to see in this panel. It looks like his top part rushes past while the rest of his body just hangs around the fist in its attack range still.
And if this was the case Oda should have shown it a bit better.

>>157250535
Sanji x Nami confirmed

>>157251461
By this point everyone in One Piece has Jobbed. Even Garp jobbed to Luffy. Akainu jobbed to Whitebeard. Whitebeard jobbed to Blackbeard. Blackbeard jobbed to Whitebeard.

>>157251587
>By this point everyone in One Piece has Jobbed.
Yes, we both know that jobber is a terrible meme. It's pointless to argue over it.

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GERMA 66 RULES

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>>157251660
Giant mecha when?

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remember when the term "job" was used normally, but now it's a sure sign that the person using it is a genuine dick sucker?

Is there more Reiju art?

>>157251237
Hm i like this answer. From the panel it does look more like Katakuri still got hit, but moved on anyway.

>>157251559
Autism confirmed

>>157251531
I see where you're coming from, given that the panel preceding the first Jinbei attack shows Katakuri stopping his movement and attempting to attack Luffy, but being blocked by Pedro. I would argue that despite that, the actual implication of his dodge of Jinbei's attack is sufficient, given that we're shown throughout the chapter that Katakuri is moving, with intent, towards Luffy and he now knows that he can't attack from range without being blocked off.

We see his top half angled in such a way as to suggest it's leaning over Jinbei somewhat and we've seen Katakuri move using his fruit's powers, so it's not a stretch to see him using his logia powers to maneuver over Jinbei who is also attempting to block his path and attack him at the same time. I think the panel does an effective job at showing what's going on in the scene and highlighting how strong a combatant Katakuri is, he's clearly much more welcoming to the idea of getting up close with enemies in combat as a contrast to Cracker who is our only real point of comparison in terms of power, but definitely not fighting style.

>>157251711
Blame Sanji and Smoker

>>157251929
The real MVP was Jack. He elevated it to meme status

>people now refer to the "Monster Duo"
>Sanjifags on suicide watch

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>>157252009
Not surprising. Jack was one of the funniest shit ever.

>>157251645
Jobbing in OP means super strong guy with big haki with big bounty with big rank performing lower than expected.

Lets say Carrot being defeated by Opera for example, she's not jobbing because nobody expects her to be strong.
Or Pudding getting king kong gunnd by Luffy, nobody cares, her DF sucks and her combat skills are probably not that good. She didnt job.
Smoker getting stringed by Doffy? Not jobbing, Doffy is a shichi with conq haki so ofc Smoker gon get wrekt. Smoker didn't job.

But if Shanks for example was pitted against Zoro and he falls with one Onigiri? That's jobbing
Sentomaru beaten by chopper? that's jobbing
Kizaru got smashed in the guts by Coby? That's jobbing
Real life example, Katakuri, the largest bounty introduced so far, with a logia fruit and having the ability to see the future having a hard time handling a bunch of people that even Ceasar can manhandle with his gas, that's jobbing.

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Is Luffy going to give Hancock the Monkey D?

>>157252204
Your definition is shit

Smoker and Sanji are the prime examples of turbo jobbers.

>>157252204
Kill yourself please

>>157252238
In her dreams.

>>157252009
jack definitely elevated the use of the word "job" to a point of pure cancer, but there were a few threads literally BRIMMING with the overuse of that word, and it was all fucking because of katakuri. katakuri was the straw that broke the camels back and turned one piece generals into fucking vegetable soup

>>157251866
> I think the panel does an effective job at showing what's going on in the scene and highlighting how strong a combatant Katakuri is,

I think this is more my issue in regards to Jinbe, and where the "job" meme even comes from. Lately it seems Oda will just use some characters as stepping stones for others to show how much of a big deal they are.
Like when Jack was introduced only to highlight how strong CatDog were. Or just Smoker in general...

I don't mind that since it is Katakuri, but its coming at the expense of Jinbe now who was previously a seventh of the world power. I get its just a single punch within the span of seconds, but it doesn't help Jinbe's image all the same. I have the same issue with Bege's shite attempt.

>>157252243
...how? they've never underperformed, so i'm not sure how either of them is a jobber

is it safe to define jobbing as underperforming?

>>157252278
Nothing to do but wait til the memers blow their load and it isn't funny anymore. Unless it somehow sticks like baneposting

>>157251053
Except neither of them jobbed

>>157252204
>>157252317
Jobbing means the same thing anywhere

Smoker jobbed on Punk Hazard. He was beaten multiple times to showcase the strength of other character's or their specific abilities. Specifically, the strength of Vergo and Doflamingo and the specific abilities of Law and Caeser.

You can argue about Vergo since Smoker was technically working with Law to let him beat him but a main point of the fight was highlighting Vergo's haki and strength which ultimately not only beat Smoker but broke his weapon.

Luffy = Zoro >> the rest >>> Nami > Usopp

Is this true?

>>157252436
Gear 4 Luffy>>>Zoro

>>157252331
But Jack is THE jobber.

Yes yes i know, it took a ship of vice admirals/admiral tiers to bring him down. It took a continental Elephant to bring him down. And he eventuallly won on Zou.

But Jack is supposed to be the Drought, like number fucking 5 strongest in the OP world or pure admiral level. His introduction from a story point of view should of been like Aokiji or Kizaru's. Instead we get le angry face man who runs away or goes for a swim. It jsut undermines THE DROUGHT's character completely.

See >>157252203

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>>157251660
I can't get over those fucking shoes

>>157252483
I'm sure Jack was supposed to be a gag.

>>157252436
I know Sanji has had a rough go of it post-timeskip but give the guy a break. Simply knowing armament haki puts him above everyone but Luffy and Zoro.

and I know Zoro has shown great strength but I doubt he can match Gear Fourth. The only thing I can imagine is some sort of Asura abilities that might be on par with some of Gear Fourth but I don't see how he can match the speed and raw strength.

>>157252287
I can see where you're coming from, insufficient setup and length of fights has been an issue in the New World in my books, though I obviously still enjoy the story and fights as a whole. I think it would be harsh to say that in evading Jinbei's attacks, Katakuri has made him look weak. I think it's more appropriate to say that the intent is to show that Katakuri is a real threat to the allied cast and, given the situation, their initial attempts to deal with him aren't fully paying off as they don't know the full scope of his abilities in a fight and they only had a few moments with which to try and stop him. That being said, they evidently do enough to stall Katakuri to ensure that the plan goes on, even if it was delayed slightly.

Bege's attempt is fine if you accept that he's less focused on defeating Katakuri and more intent on stalling for time so his actual plan goes off. Do recall he has the ear plugs ready so he's banking on Big Mom's yell to incapacitate the other guests long enough to get the assassination done, he's not actually looking to fight.

Really, I think that if there is going to be some fights, they have to happen after Big Mom is dealt with, whatever form that may take. There's a chance there won't even really be any fights, it could just be more skirmishes where half the combatants are focused on doing something other that fighting, such as escaping through a mirror. Ideally we'll get some genuine fights, I want to see Sanji have a genuine 1 on 1 with Daifuku, but there's so many characters in play that I'd be lying if I said I expect it to happen.

>>157252483
>like number fucking 5 strongest in the OP world or pure admiral level.

What? Where did you get the idea he was supposed to be that strong?

>>157252597
Yeah, but Sanji should fuck off already and give Franky, Brook, Jinbe and Carrot a chance.

The Monster Trio meme needs to fucking die

Viz?

>>157252551
The anime makes them even more ridiculous with the sounds they make.

Like with Yonji floating in mid air at one point seemingly supposed to be tough looking while his shoes make these ridiculous noises.

>>157252661
>>157250243

>>157252625
He is one of Jack's right hand men. Kaido is the strongest pirate at the moment.

Obviously i'm not being specific but he's up there

>>157252736
>>157252625

Fuck *Kaido's right hand men

>>157251438
only cos they didn't understand his powers, any one of the monster trio would push his shit in in 10 seconds with prep

>>157252483
You're fucking retarded. Jack fought against the two strongest Minks, ex-members of Roger's crew, for like 5 days, or 120 hours straight, before he got bored and gassed them. He didn't suffer any injuries, didn't seem to be tired at all, and he hadn't even gone into his Mammoth/Human hybrid, which is a Zoan's strongest form.
And then he goes and tries to fight with an Admiral and ex-Fleet Admiral + Tsuru, like a complete fucking madman all on his own, and when it doesn't go well he still manages to escape.
It took a fucking 4.5 kilometre elephant, the largest organism in One Piece so far, to stop him.
But there will always be tards like you who will say HURR DURR JACK LE JOBBER XD even though this guy is probably the strongest guy we've seen other than Whitebeard and his devil fruit at Marineford.

>>157252483
But every fight we know that he's taken part in has highlighted just how formidable he is, whilst also displaying his glaring flaw in that he's way too aggressive. That aggressiveness has shown to both help and harm him, what has remained consistent is just how much it took to put him down. Add in that he's still alive and that he'll almost assuredly have a part to play later and he's clearly displayed as a formidable foe in his own right. I really don't get how you think he's not displayed how dangerous his is, yet even Yonko commanders have a limit.

>>157252784
Nah, Sanji would job :^)

>>157252625
>Where did you get the idea he was supposed to be that strong?
He was supposed to be that strong. But him having the mentality of a retarded kid and doing stupid ass moves is another history.

>>157249960
I actually like the color scheme they gave him in the anime better.

>>157252654
Sanji doesn't decide who gets fights, Oda does. Sanji himself is long overdue for a proper 1 on 1 fight to showcase his skills, given that the sotyr has progressed into somewhat-direct opposition of the Yonko, even if it heavily involves planning and allies.

>>157252483
>>157252821
Jobbing has absolutely nothing to do with strength, this is not a difficult concept

Jack jobbed to Zunisha. He didn't job to the Minks and we don't know what exactly happened with his attempted capture of Doflamingo so vague.

>>157252823
It makes sense story wise, Oda's kept it right there.

But it's not helped his character, we dont remember him for an iconic or badass moment. Just him failing miserably. I did like the mutilation bit, but sadly thats not what's stuck for his image.

Oda used him as a plot device for other characters, just like Smoker.

I'm afraid hes gonna be stuck as Jack the Jobber for a while.

>>157252938
*it's too vague

>>157252654
Sanji is by far the least offensive member of the "monster trio". Zorro and Luffy hog way more real fights than Sanji does.

>>157252880
This. The only people he's fought since the timeskip was an outdated Pacifista, Wadatsumi, and Doflamingo briefly, who took both Luffy and Law to the absolute limits of their strength to defeat.

Sanji's fight against Yonji and Judge weren't even serious, as the former was offscreen and during the latter he was conflicted and gave up towards the end. The dude needs a proper 1v1 again.

>>157252938
I'd say he jobbed to Momosuke, as it was to highlight how he has the voice of all things and control over Zunisha.

The fact it was Jack the Drought that took the hit is the issue. It could have been a lesser commander of Kaido, but still a big deal. But no had to be THE CALAMITY.

>>157252938
>Jobbing has absolutely nothing to do with strength
By the actual intended use of the word, strength plays a big part in the act of jobbing as it denotes a previously established strong character under performing to a newer character to display how strong they are. Jack's strength was being established at that point in the comic and showed that he was an incredibly capable and dangerous threat that was far too aggressive for his own good or the good of others. All the fights we know he's been involved in would support that.

>Jack jobbed to Zunisha.
Come the fuck on.

>>157252938
If you're like Jack, and you take a fight you know you can't win because your a madman, like against Zunisha or Sengoku+Fujitora, and you lose, its not jobbing, because noone expected you to win anyway.

Who are the members of the Monster Trio???

>>157252959
You're taking your opinion of events and applying it to everyone in a blanket statement. I personally think of Jack as a massive threat, given his actions on Zou and his character traits we've been shown so far, including his incredibly aggressive nature, lack of reason and obvious his devil fruit powers.

By this point we know how dangerous the guy is, but he's currently been shown to be incapacitated. So, when he inevitably comes back into play later, we have a prior understanding of who this guy is and why we should be worried that he's back.

>>157253155
luffy zoro sanji

>>157253075
This anon gets it.
Jack didn't jobbed to Zunisha, he just acted like the retard he is.
>"dudeeeee let's bomb that giant mammoth, what could possibly go wrong?"

>>157253172
>luffy zoro jinbe
Fixed

>>157253075
Nigga you dont understand.
It's about perspective from a story point of view. Like people saying Sanji jobbed to Doffy, when it was clear Doffy was miles above Sanji woulda been outright wrong.
But then Sanji literally manages to do fucking nothing against Doffy except for a "fufufu, thats pretty tough, kid".

A good example is Franky vs Lucci, Franky had his moment in the sun with Fukurou and shown he can hold his own, then tries to punch Lucci and does fuck all and sets the fight up for Luffy. Take the Sanji vs Doffy bit and you've just cut out the good part for Sanji, so he looks like a jobber, plain and simple.

>>157253227
is there a problem?

>>157253228
>Sanji jobbed to Doffy
Sanji jobbed to Doffy because the whole point of that encounter was making Doffy more threatening

>>157253155
Luffy, Zoro and Brook

>>157253155
No one. It no longer exists and has no need to.

Everyone in this thread is stupid accept me.

>>157253075
>>157253191
No it has nothing to do with a "previously established strong character". A jobber doesn't necessarily have to be known as strong though it can help with emphasis. Actual "jobbers" in wrestling are commonly no names with no real indication of any strength. At it's absolute most basic a jobber simply loses to make someone else look stronger.


Yes, Jack jobbed to Zunisha. The entire event with Zunisha's attack was a showcase of her strength. Jack was the target of this and therefore jobbed to her.

It's that simple.

>>157252998
honestly really hoping that after this arc (if he doesn't get a good fight/power up) sanji realises he's not strong enough to keep up with zoro and luffy and humbles himself before zoro (since he was the one most pissed about sanji getting the crew into another dangerous situation) and asks to train with him. then instead of when it's the crew just chilling on the sunny instead of sanji smoking in the kitchen he's lifting weights with zoro some of the time, and actually focuses on becoming stronger for the sake of the crew rather than the
>muh womyns
>muh honour
>muh special cooking techniques
shit that's been all he's fucking done since the timeskip. pre ts sanji was one of my favourite straw hats and i wish oda would stop doing him dirty like this, i really hope that the next big villain he fights is a really powerful woman and he has a moment of realisation like
>what's more important, not kicking a woman or not allowing the weaker members of my crew to get fucking massacred by this bitch

>>157253322
>accept me.
ayy

>>157253163
There's realising how dangerous someone is, and feeling it. I get it may be a matter of opinion.

But compare how threatening Jack's introduction was compared to Aokiji or Kizaru's. I get it's the new world and people can hold their own compared to pre timeskip. But irregardless thats what's missing, that level of threat. You don't get that when two on screen characters hold him back effortlessly.
The admiral ship part was good. The rest ruined it.

>>157253228
None of that disagrees with what I posted, except that we knew more about both sanji and franky in those fights and their underperformance is more prominent as a result. The same is not true for Jack.

Robin has some nice jugs

>>157250376
Caesar is cooler

Nami has some great melons

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>>157253399
anon has some nice dubs

>>157253288
I agree, it did a good job of Doffy at least.
And it shit all over Sanji's character. Hence jobber.

Law vs Doffy showed this a lot better, Law was op as fuck and had to play defensively over like 10 chapters. That was enough to show Doffy's strength. Sanji turning up and getting curbstomped did less for Doffy than how it hurt Sanji's image

>>157253333
>Sanjifags who want Sanji to be Zoro
kek

Sanji > Jinbei >>> Zoro

Objectively correct power ranking according my uncle Oda

>>157253411
Caesar did horrible things to kids and luffy will never forgive him. Gastino on the other hand is clean.

>>157251153
Delete this

>>157253378
I know it doesn't disagree, but that's why i'm sayign your thinking about it wrong.

It's not muh tier list of how strong characters are. It's about their impression on the story. And atm Mr. Prince, the White Chaser, THE DROUGHT, are fucking jobbers. Cause they have accomplished nothing apart from being stepping stones

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i know that for now jack is a meme but i still like him, he was a funny one

>>157253454
fuck no i don't want sanji to be zoro, i just want sanji to take his responsibilities seriously, in the way that zoro has been

>>157253361
So every introducion has to be the same or similar in tone? I don't think it's fair to say that Jack isn't shown as a threat since his introduction when there's so many instances of his influence on others, enemies and allies alike.

Again, I think you're taking your personal take on the situation and willfully ignoring all the ways that Jack has been presented as an incredible threat.

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>>157253482

>>157253333
>sanji getting the crew into another dangerous situation
>another dangerous situation
When did he ever do that beforehand, usually it's Luffy getting the crew into dangerous situations. Hell, Sanji has saved the crew a few times.

>>157253526
Well I fundamentally disagree with your personal interpretation of it as I believe your misinterpreting what it means to actually job.

I want Monet to whisper in my ear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnktZ8QX_ts&feature=youtu.be&t=1m57s
;_;

>>157253564
>i know that for now jack is a meme but i still like him, he was a funny one
No one denies it.
The problem is that some anons here don't understand that the joke was over 50 chapters ago.

>>157253743
FUCKING ZORO

>>157253574
For the big deal characters i'd say they need to leave some lasting impression, yes. And no the introdcutions don't have to be the same, take Whitebeard or Dragon's introductions for example. Both were threatening in their own right but for different reasons compared to the outright hopelessness Aokiji and Kizaru created.

Jack is just there, stares angrily, attacks admirals like the main character does every 100 chapters then tries attacking continents. His only on screen feats of credits is SURVIVING against his own stupid attack and being a merciless butcherer. This is then offset by how harmless he seems in the rest of his scenes. Even Luffy would have some level of tactical ability not to attack the walking island.

And if we're arguing opinions only, i would say your opinion of Jack is overstated. he's riding on his name's infamy only at this point. Nothing he's done has left a lasting impression.

>>157254030
Right, and I would say that Jack's contributions so far have both left an impression on the character, whilst also clearly displayed how impressive the guy is in how capable he is as a fighter, how durable he is as an individual and just how damn reckless he is. He fits perfectly as a commander of Kaido's Beast pirates in multiple ways, but most clearly as a combatant as I previously described.

Jack not having an introduction like Aokiji and Kizaru makes sense, given that they were introduced much earlier on in the series to show the reader just what the Straw Hats would eventually be contending with in the New World. Well, now they're there and Yonko commanders are the current threat that the crew, mainly Luffy, can most openly deal with. Yonko's and admirals are still too dangerous at this point, but they're fast becoming relevant given the raiding of the stakes of the story, hence the current arc dealing with Big Mom through the use of an exploit rather than a direct-confrontation.

Either way, if you're personal take on Jack's exploits so far is as reductionist as it seems to be, then so be it. You're inclined to your opinion, even if I disagree with it. It's pointless to discuss it further when there's a fundamental disconnect in perception of events.

>>157253604
i didnt mean sanji's done it multiple times, i just mean this was the latest one, it was pretty fucking dramatically bad (having to go rescue him from under the nose of one of the most powerful pirates on the planet) and zoro was pissed specifically with that, because he knew it would result in luffy going and doing some reckless ass shit right when they should be focused on dealing with the situation in wano

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Pudding is getting merchandise!

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>>157254030
>butcherer
is he also a killerer and a murdererer anon?

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>>157254822
yes it's been known for a while now

>>157254758
It's a difficult one as Sanji's actions would appear selfless on the face of it, willingly looking to sort the situation out himself or cut ties to ensure that things don't come back to harm the crew and they can progress without him. The fault lies in that he should know what Luffy's response would be, especially given the lengths they went to in order to rescue Robin.

I think the situation could have worked out a bit better if Sanji had looked to deceive the rest of the crew not present on Zou, but ultimately being found out as Luffy wouldn't be able to accept Sanji turning away from the crew and his dreams.

Either way, we can't alter how it happened and as it stands, whilst Sanji had self-sacrificing intentions at heart, he should've known how Luffy would react. It'll be interesting to see the comeuppance he receives after they're gone, Best Skelly will have softened the blow, given the Poneglyph imprint was something they eventually had to gain access to.

>>157254824
butcher = occupation
butcherer = killer
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butcherer

>>157254610
Thats the thing your just arguing opinion now. You need to look at it objectively.

In terms of the actual story Jack has not been introduced for his own sake. His lasting contribtuions to the story have been to:

Show a connection of Kaidou with Wano,
Show how powerful Inu and Neko are and their connection to the Pirate King,
Show how Momo has control over Zunisha.
And possibly to show how big of a role weaponry plays in the new world.
Replace Jack with big Kaido commander #34 and things do not change much for the plot.

And if your right and the story pace has moved so much that Yonkou's and their top brass are just plot devices now, then Jack deserves all this jobbing nonense. We spent all this time with the story building up hype and expectations for when Luffy would finally be up againt Yonkos and before we know it we've skipped past the major players.

I'll give you his attack on Doffy's ship was to hype Jack. And imo it should have been left there. The rest of his antics just helped downplay his character.

>>157254824
You literally just said Murderer you stupid fuck. But added another "er" on the end.

>>157253454
>Sanjifags who want

The one you are replying to isnt even one I'd them.

when are we getting a doujin with a female logia user where pirates keep trying to rape her but they can't because she turns into her fluid, but then she encounters one who knows haki and he encoats his penis in armament haki and penetrates her with it

>>157255129
Yes, I'm arguing for my interpretation about the impact that a character had, just as you're arguing for your interpretation of that same impact the character has had. There's nothing objective about any of this, even looking at the objective events in this instance comes down to how you interpret it, and your interpretation seems more negatively minded than mine.

But that's fine, people are inclined to their own opinions, but don't then try and suggest that your stance on his actions in the manga is somehow objective, it's still just your take on things. For instance, in showing how powerful the denizens of Zou are, Jack also demonstrates both how incredibly strong he is, how capable the Beasts pirates are and how utterly ruthless both he and the Beasts pirates are.

The story is now entering that stage where Luffy is having to combat the Yonko, but as has been repeatedly shown in the manga is that he's currently not strong enough to directly confront them with just the Straw Hats. He currently has to make use of his web of allies and, in Big Mom's case, new allies and a previously established weakness in Big Mom and a plan centered around said weakness. The actual direct forces he and the Strawhats can feasibly deal with at present are the Yonko commanders, we've seen him deal with one with the assistance of Nami who was a direct counter to his abilities, so it makes sense that Jack will also be a difficult obstacle for Luffy to deal with when the time is right. This makes sense, given it's following his defeat of Doflamingo, who has been a long running antagonist that has been built up previously, just as both Jack and Kaido are being built up now.

I honestly think discussing these other events with you any further is pointless as your opinion seems pretty clear with your last line.

>>157255187
that was my fucking point, the term butcher is a noun, as is murderer, neither of them are correct with an extra er

>>157255606
There's nothing objective about any of this, even looking at the objective events in this instance comes down to how you interpret it.

That makes no sense.

Since you missed the point i'll spell it out for you, Jack was used as a stepping stone, he jobbed for the plot progression, this is objective as it is a plot device.
And if you're gonna dimiss all my arguments as "ur opinion man" then why the fuck you even arguing.

>>157255626
try googling butcherer

>>157255626
butcher is also a verb, like murder?
And butcherer is a real word as one Anon told you.

Why are you even still replying?

>>157253155
Chopper, Nami, and Usopp

>>157253325
>Yes, Jack jobbed to Zunisha. The entire event with Zunisha's attack was a showcase of her strength. Jack was the target of this and therefore jobbed to her.
>
>It's that simple.


I'm convinced you don't understand what jobbing is.

Briefly write out a scenario where Jack gets killed/defeated by Zunisha that you wouldn't consider jobbing.

>>157255782
Actually the is something objective, that being the events in the manga. What all our posts come down to is our subjective take on those events. Jack jobbing is not objective, it is your personal opinion on events and one that I disagree with.

What is clear to me is that your subjective interpretation of events, those ones that can change with discussion won't change and are firmly locked in based on your personal biased interpretation, so why would I bother discussing it any further then that crossroad that we'be arrived at?

Cool your jets anon, your inclined to have your take on things, I just disagree with the supposed objective nature of things you seem to be suggesting.

>>157255782
>Jack was used as a stepping stone, he jobbed for the plot progression, this is objective as it is a plot device.

being a stepping stone would suggest Zunisha had someone to step to in the story. Zunisha is not a character in the manga that we will read about getting stronger by beating other characters

it was not a plot device, you don't understand what a plot device is

>>157256143
>Zunisha is not a character in the manga that we will read about getting stronger by beating other characters
I'd read a manga about Zunisha

>>157256124
Your going too meta Anon, you are literally dismissing all arguements because we all have an opinion. That invalidates your own side of things as well you know. This is why i listed events in the story and how they relate to Jack which you cant deny are there. But that clearly isn't enough for you.

>>157256143
Well no because it's about Momo controlling Zunisha, so it's Momo using Jack as a stepping stone. Who clearly has a future in the story.

>>157250535
>Elbaph
>not Elbaf (Fable backwards)

Viz just lost all their credit.

>>157256385
they used elbaph in the beginning, and they're gonna stick to it. Same with Zolo.

>>157256385
Alabasta/Shandoria/Sabaody all have inconsistent translations and it's annoying.

>>157256269
i wanna see him casually drinking a lake.

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>>157255011
I fucking need that Pudding box.

>>157254822
I'd eat Nami's stick.

So I've reread Enies Lobby and Thriller Bark today and I can safely says that Robin had the shittiest backstory.

>>157256754
Shittiest as in bad quality or sad?

>>157256754
I'll shank you nigga. I want to protect that laugh

>>157256819
derishishishi

>>157256367
As I've said multiple times now, you're inclined to an opinion. But suggesting your take on events is objective just makes discussing things with you off putting and pointless, which is where my reluctance to continue doing so is coming from.

I could go through those objective events, listing how I interpreted them, but you seem so staunch in your more reductionist interpretations that I simply don't see the point, it's not a discussion at that point, it's a pointless 'yes but no but' loop.

>>157256819
>>157256791
I wrote that completely wrong.

"shit" as in "sad".

>>157256853

>But suggesting your take on events is objective
>I could go through those objective events

You're just replying for the sake of it now.

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>>157256877
>tfw Robin calls out to Olvia and asks if Olvia is her real mom

>>157257020
Events that happened in the manga, the actual undeniable events shown, in contrast to the subjective take on what they mean in the context of things such as character impact, character power levels and other such, non-objective elements.

This isn't hard to grasp anon.

>>157257082
The anime made this so much better as well.

Why can't we have a good anime again?

>>157257116
>This isn't hard to grasp anon.

Clearly.

>>157255782
>And if you're gonna dimiss all my arguments as "ur opinion man" then why the fuck you even arguing.
You're literally doing the same thing to him, except for your opinions are worse. Jack was not used as a stepping stone for Zunisha, because Zunisha does not need character development. Jack was not used as a stepping stone for Nekomamushi and Inuarashi because he beat them. They were the ones used as stepping stones because it showed that Jack could fight against the two strongest Minks on Zou, and Roger's ex-crewmates, without rest for 120 hours without injury or fatigue.
The Jack le Jobber xD meme was funny for the first few times, but underage tards like you took it too seriously, and actually believe that the meme.

>>157256877
nah its shit
Its Mary sue as fuck and Robin really didnt really suffer that much. Also if she stayed quiet and shut her mouth the evacuation boat would've survived.

>>157257282
Robin suffered the most, name me one OP character with a sadder backstory.

Also Akainu destroyed the ship and he wasn't aware of Robin, he just thought scholars could hide as civilians.

>>157257282
fuck you

>>157257116
Actually i'll reply again,
"Events that happened in the manga, the actual undeniable events shown"
Its well and good you make a cute list of subjective things, but then you miss out "plot progression". Which is what I have been saying all this time. I assume you count a showcase of Momo's abilities and Kaidous connection to Wano as such things?

>>157257200
Christ sake of course its not the fucking elephant thats getting plot progression, but Momo, are you retarded? and he beat Neko and Inu with a bio weapon after conceding defeat. Roger's ex crew mate status was after the fight with Jack. The fight was supposed to illustrate their strength, not Jack's.

>>157257355
The debate usually ends up between Brook and Robin for saddest backstory and it's neigh on impossible to choose one over the other, they're both full of suffering.

>>157257427
Brook was another one the anime did amazingly

>>157257355
>>157257427
chopper is sad too

>>157255782
>>157256367
>>157257020
>>157257164
Fucking hell you're autistic. You've just got your fingers in your ears and you're screaming NO MY OPINIONS ARE RIGHT AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE WRONG
The events in the manga are open to interpretation, just because people have different takes on what happened don't make them wrong. Just because people have different opinions from you doesn't make them wrong.

>>157248792
I don't even understand what I am looking at on this page. Can this guy draw at all? How the fuck are people making sense of this cryptic shit?

>>157257390
>I assume you count a showcase of Momo's abilities and Kaidous connection to Wano as such things?
I would consider the scenes which show those things as the objective events, as in the actual drawings and dialogue in the manga. The interpretation of those events on things such as a character's abilities or a character's connection to the world are more subjective, those the former much more so than the latter.

>>157257495
Lol and your not? Wondered when you'd throw "autist" up. Guess i win :^)

And once again skirting around me trying
to talk about objective things. But, MUH OPINIONS

>>157257523
Yeah it's pretty hard to decipher what's happening. I guess he "missed" his punch or something? I don't know, desu. It's almost as bad as tokyo ghoul..

>>157257583
I'm not even the guy arguing against you lol

>>157257583
Not everyone is the same poster anon, can you calm the fuck down already?

>>157257427
I'd take 50 years of loneliness and skull jokes with the hope of meeting my friend again over 20 years, half of it as a child, of living in a world where most people are ready to kill or capture you and you're almost constantly on the run.

>>157257355
>Robin suffered the most, name me one OP character with a sadder backstory.
Nami

youre just motorboating robins cunt because of her hime cut

>>157257523
>Jellybean man turns his leg into mochi to ensnare a guy
>Bipedal jaguar cuts the leg in two to protect other guy
>Walking fish guy attacks the jellybean man's main body, who avoids it by turning into mochi and morphing away
>Jellybean man reforms away to attack other guy again

It's not hard.

>>157257523
I feel like alot of manga fights would seem more coherent if they were colored.

>>157257653
Now I see it too.

>>157257628
One of the difficulties with Brook's case is that he's both isolated and unable to do much of anything for 50 whole years. It's hard to even fathom what that would be like, what that would do to you as an individual.

It's no wonder he's ended up as odd as he is, the guy had to be his own entertainment for such a long period of time.

Robin at least had the goal to work towards in her situation, though it is still an utterly terrible situation to be in as a child.

>>157257571
But i never mentioned character's abilities or connection to the world. I've been saying all this time that those events were not about Jack but about something else. It is purely looking at this from a story telling view of a manga, rather than in-world. So we can objectively say that Jack was not the focus in those objective events.

>>157251660
Fucking stupid color scheme... Why do this to us, Oda?

>>157257583
>>157257623

Do you read what i put? How does he not being the original poster change what i say?

Least im not screeching about hows he autistic aye?

>>157257427
I swear to god whenever these Robin and Brooke backstory r sad posts show up its either trolling or kids born after 1995 that never bothered reading any chapters before enies lobby.

>>157257822
I still cant get over Big Moms hair colour

>>157257770
But Jack was in those events doing things, how is he not the focus of those actual events when he's drawn in them doing things? You still don't seem to understand what I mean by the objective events. When I say that I'm saying the actual drawings displayed on the page of the manga, the things which can't be denied as happening as they're physically on the paper and we can look at them. Perhaps you're talking about something else, but that was never what I was talking about. Also, something like 'story telling view' is pretty damn subjective, depending on an individual's interpretation of what a story consists of.

How do you still not get this? Holy fuck.

>>157257890
well what's the saddest backstory in your opinion?

>>157257973
No your just moving the goal posts into lala opinion land. According to you, the only thing thats objective is the colour of the ink Oda used. But we can't make assumputions on that! It could be a darker shade of black!!!!

I don't know why i'm replying to you, half of your argument has been dismissing mine cause of opinions. Are you willing to argue 2+2 is subjective next?

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>>157257653
What nonsense!

Honestly had i not watched one piece from the start which eased me into the show i woud think the the artist was on crack. Candyman? Rubberman? Fishpeople? Ay-ay-ay

>>157257987
Not Zoro's

>>157258198
Yeah because "dude with superpowers" is such a far-fetched concept

>>157257696
>>157257608
>>157257523
Are you guys retarded?

>>157257987
Robin>Brook>Nami>Sanji>Franky>Chopper>Usopp>Luffy>Zorro>Jinbe

>>157258198
> mutant turtle who lives in the sewers and is also a ninja AND a fan of pizza.
His sensei is giant rat by the way.

>>157258376
Chopper and Franky should be above Sanji, his wasn't even sad

>>157258087
I honestly don't know where to begin with this ridiculous post, so I'll just leave you to your own devices from here on out.

You seem to want to discuss some story-based view of events that you seem to think is objective? Yet you then talk about your interpretation of events and how they align to your view on story telling. Given the goal posts for such a discussion rest solely in your mind, I still don't see the point of discussing those things with you.

>>157258413
Yes ninja turtles creator was also insane.

>>157257987
I was born long fucking time ago and participated in OP discussions here in 2006 and nobody will doubt that Nami's backstory is the most tragic one even after Brooke's was shown.
I guess people my age must've left the series because I do remember these threads dying in the '09 because too much faggots complaining about Oda's increasingly shit writing with the breakup and Ace being shoved in and plenty of headcannons being turned to dust.

>>157258428
Franky>Sanji>Chopper

Sanji had it rougher than Chopper. Chopper found Hiluluk quickly, plus he could just walk away from his herd

Would Katakuri beat Jack

>>157258449
At no point do i make an "interpretation", thats your own input Anon. Momo using Zuni against Jack and the connection of Wano to Zou are objective points in the story, where the fuck is the interpretation?.

Again your just replying to have the last say. Go ahead if you want, this is my last.

>>157258511
Nami's backstory is basically Robin's except shorter and with less dead relatives.

>>157258511
Oh yeah, after Marineford was shown in the anime plenty of should I start reading OP threads were made I guess that where the majority of the people bumping these threads are from.
We need a retro anime board so fucking bad.

>>157251461
But Marco has never succeeded, and he's never even fought against huge odds. Katakuri is definitely a jobber, but at least he can blame his own side for not picking up the slack. Marco has a bunch of his brothers in arms dying and his oyaji getting pumped full of holes and he just fails to get results.

In fact were it not for the fact that he was a Phoenix to begin with he'd probably be even more useless and a total liability. Actually if you look at how him and Jozu are basically more defense based in their fruits, you can see how big a crutch they have to make up for being so shit.

>>157250321
>thinking his raid suit would matter when he wasn't even capable of beating Sanji without interference

Maybe his kids are different but Judge himself is a joke less he was actually holding back on Sanji.

>>157258511
I'd say Oda's writing is consistent until the end of Marineford. Luffy's flashback with sabo is the turning point. The fact sabo was never introduced until a few chapters ago in marineford just screams that he was never planned.

>>157250594
Are you fucking doubting PROFESSIONAL translators anon?

>>157258838
Yep. Is there a problem with that?

>>157251334
His previous punches had a massive radius, remember Fishman Island?

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>>157258890
Well you gotta pay for the premium edition if you want it back as Elbaf, low low cost of $18.99 per chapter.

>>157258804
Let's say Sanji is slighty under Doflamingo. Who's himself slighty under Cracker. Judge being slighty under Sanji would potentially make him as strong or slighty under everyone who's not Smoothie, Katakuri or Big Mom. Might be enough to fight back and find a way to escape.
>>157258511
>because too much faggots complaining about Oda's increasingly shit writing with the breakup and Ace being shoved in and plenty of headcannons being turned to dust
Hum? Sabaondy is the moment the story became great.

>>157258824
The fact ace was never introduced until a few chapters ago in drum just screams that he was never planned.

>>157251334
>>157258909
My understanding is that he dodged the fist and the shockwave just blown away his mochi body which wasn't an issue because he's a logia. Armament haki shockwave is still not a thing

>>157259033
>Let's say Sanji is slighty under Doflamingo.

No one would agree to that, he got his ass handed to him when Doffy wasn't even trying.

>>157258627
Nami's mother was killed by the person that then proceeds to enslave her for life.
Nami cant do shit to help her situation until Luffy came along. Her life was complete and utter hell for years working with the person she personally hates the most.
Robin's life is shit for a short duration in Ohara but she lived a life where she's free to do whatever she wants and able to help herself in any bad situation that came along because she's attached to nothing. She even enjoyed lots of good years underneath BW as Croc's second in charge basking in the wealth of his casino and his reputation as a Shichi.
To make Robin's life a living hell like Nami is like the WG killing Olivia and destroying Ohara in front of her, capturing her, enslaving her and forcing her to collect and decipher ancient texts all her life until the SH save her.

>>157259195
That's your own mistake then.

>Oimo and Kashi said they were gonna return to Elbaf after they arrived back on Water 7, and offered to take Usopp with them since he had nowhere else to go
>Usopp refused and rejoined the crew
>Oimo and Kashi then said they'd wait for Usopp on Elbaf to show him around
I wonder if Usopp would've been able to still keep up with the rest of the crew if he did take their offer and went straight to the New World.

>>157259245
No that's you pushing your headcanon. No one cares.

>>157248850
Holy shit the anime is at Reiju now?

>>157251587
>>157251645
>>157251461
>>157258724
Kizaru and Kuma have never jobbed.

Fuck off.

>>157259102
Man, its less believable about Sabo turning up because we knew about Ace already and then they never mention him either.

By the time garp showed up and spoke to Luffy we had a good idea on his early life. Until the Sabo flashbacks

>>157249454
Because he was a problem child and didn't give a fuck about promotions until he was basically forced to accept one.

>>157259315
He never talked about Ace. About Dragon. About Garp. About anything.

>>157259293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0zK_EUc-4

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>>157248901
>tfw just watched the clip
>tfw luffy's legs perked up

Reiju gave that GOOD succ god DAMN. Real niggas who get it know what the fuh im talking about.

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>>157259240
Robin ran for years from the wg and has no one as a friend
She can't trust no one

>>157259313
Kuma jobbed to the WG, Kizaru got cut by Rayleigh and allowed the SH to escape not just once, but many times since he constantly shot at Luffy to no avail. Guy might be near invincible but his offensive prowess is a total joke. Who has he even killed? Oars Jr?

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>>157259163

Oh yeah?

I actually agree with you, just oda's a hack with haki

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CROQUEMBOUCHE!!

Is Luffy autistic?