Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>157235188
The show needs a remake with better art.

He didnt want to suck on his nipples

>>157235188
basically >>157235319

>>157235188
because Kircheis wasn't there

Because he'd become a hate-sponge like Oberstein and Trunicht.

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Can Production I.G pull it off?

>>157237456
no it doesn't

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because Yang has pretty poor decision-making skills, and follows his naive ideals and principles over and over instead of being realistic

he could have taken charge of the FPA, he could have killed Reinhard that one time, he could have been more cautious when going to meet Reinhard for peace talks. But the guy just refuses to act with common sense. This is why I think he isn't a mary sue even if he is the author's mouthpiece

>>157242881
>naive ideals and principles
They're not naive.

He, if anybody in the entire series, understands the flaws and weaknesses of democracy.

>>157241198

No, and not because of any kind of budget or skill problems, more just that something like LotGH wouldn't be hugely popular nowadays, even if it is a recognizable name.

Japs just want to see cute girls, not sprawling space opera's.

>>157242881
He is a mary-sue exactly because of that, anyone else would be long dead, he can keep making the wrong choices, without having to face any of the consequences.

>>157241198
Fujo's will ruin it. You know it.

>>157237456
It really doesn't, but they're making one anyway.

so answer me this /a/, why didn't they fight with lazer guns instead of axes
>inb4 "muh Zephyr particles"
why do they even keep an explosive inside the ships?, if they didn't keep that thing inside every ship, they would be able to fight lazers, which are more effective than axes

>>157244206
>why do they even keep an explosive inside the ships?

So their enemies are unable to use laser guns?
It's doubtful explosions of that size in some random fucking hallway would do anything to damage a gigantic ship, but it sure as hell will kill everyone in the vicinity.

>>157245373
then what is the purpose of doing that, they are also stoopping themselves from using lasers

>>157241198
God I hope to god they don't fuck the faces up cause I'm already not digging that artstyle

>>157245713
Because the republicans had Schenkopp and the empire didn't.

>>157245804
I'm just happy it isn't the horribly ugly manga artstyle.

>>157245809
The guy who in full gear with a battle axe got fended off by a traitor with a fucking knife?

>>157235319
>bittenfeld
fucking kek

>>157247362
No, the guy that single handedly allowed for the capture of Iserlohn Fortress.

>>157243001
>Japs just want to see cute girls, not sprawling space opera's.
I want a sprawling space opera with cute girls.

>>157243052
Please, like it wasn't gay as fuck already.

>>157247563
I'm pretty sure they are one and the same no? I mean look at Bittenfeld he gets played like a chump all day every day but at the end of the day he still racks up the most achievements based on kills, which logically shouldn't happen since he only knows how to cruise control.

This show was kinda ridiculous in the number of men dying. You see hundreds of ships explode every battle, and how many crew per ship? It's insane.

>>157247900
if you compare the population when rudolf was in power, with the population at the end of the war it makes sense, it went from 300 billion to 40

>>157248066

Those numbers are also insane, and any real society would probably collapse long before it got that bad. That's over 80% of the population dead. Imagine if every 8 out of 10 people in the USA died. Everything would grind to a halt.

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>"I shall make peace with the rebels."
>Yang dies
>"Never mind, I refuse to make peace with those dumb rebels."

>"I shall make peace with the rebels."
>Reinhard catches the flu
>"Never mind, I refuse to make peace with those stupid rebels."

>"I shall make peace with the rebels."
>one of Reinhard's ships panics and attacks Julian
>"Never mind, I refuse to make peace with those fucking rebels."

How many millions of lives were lost because Reinhard was so wishy-washy?

>>157247900
That's not ridiculous. Those are the kind of numbers you'd expect in a war between to massive interstellar polities. If anything it's still on the low side. Most sci fi just has ridiculously small militaries

>>157248238
The writer is a hack, everyone knows this deep down even if they are unwilling to admit it. It's just a guilty pleasure since it's about slick ass uniform wearing gentlemen drinking cocktails and shit in the middle of a bridge with fancy body language and witty banter in the middle of a bunch of space shoeboxes lining up and shooting each other despite the battle being 3D and not 2D. It's great because the author knows he's a hack, and basically makes everyone retarded so he can use the bantz he came up with and that's fine.

>>157248238
You're forgetting that they had multiple other planets, basically forced conscription so 80% isn't far fetched.

It's just that 95% residents of planet Odin were unaffected.

>>157248238
Hell, losing just 10% of total population would likely be enough to leave a civilization in ruins.

>>157248332
>Catches a flu
Anon..

>>157248238
Europe endured the bubonic plague, so it's no so far fetched. Especially with the amount of separation between each human settlement being light-years apart, it gets more plausible that information would be a state run monopoly in most of the universe.

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>>157248470
Mein Kaiser, you're still so weak. Don't get up. Stay in bed. Drink some more of this poisoned tea.

>Humans can travel light years away and settle on planets.
>Dying from old age is a still thing.

>>157248525
Did I miss this or is it just headcannon?

>>157248238
the reduction in population happened in a relatively long amount of time, first there was the inferior genes act, that one killed all the sick people and space jews, lets say a 3% of the population, then halfway through the holocaust rudolf dies right, and his kids stop this law, the conflict enters a stalemate, with occational batles chipping away at the population, and then the three battles of astarte start the whole thing again, anyway, if you look at it carefully the reduction in population was kinda slow, not so fast to damage society

>>157248476
>Europe endured the bubonic plague
In the sense that humans didn't go extinct in Europe, sure.

>>157243011
You mean aside from that time he fucking dies alone in horrible pain while asking forgiveness from all the people he let down.

>>157248752
And he got to watch the society and ideals he fought for collapse around him, dying too soon to see them rise from the ashes.

>>157248586
Headcanon
Emil did nothing wrong

>>157248742
>Roman Empire endured
>Francia endured
It seems like all the non-tribal civilizations survived.

>>157244206
There are just so many things that don't make any sense. They're very eager to rush into suicidal melee, but very hesitant for mutually assured destruction, especially when Rosenritters infiltrated Iserlohn. Literally too scared to push the button and because of that the empire lost the station

>>157248752
Yes, he dies at the end and that's it. He didn't had to face the consequences of his shitty decisions, he is remembered as some kind of hero when all he did was fuck things up.

>>157249079
It's easy to criticize them after the fact, but in the moment I understand people not thinking clearly.

>>157249196
>dying slowly and painfully isn't facing consequences
???

>>157249002
>Roman Empire
There was still a place known by the name Constantinople, but to claim that the Eastern Roman Empire survived the plague is misleading at best.

>>157249245
Why would that be? If anything that's for being retarded and not taking a sidearm.

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>>157249288
>the city of Rome under it's dominion
>can directly trace it's government back to the days of Julius Caesar
>it's not really the Roman Empire
Rly makes me think

>>157249388
People guarding him had sidearms and they died too.

>>157249439
They died trying to protect him, if I remember they managed to get him to safety, then he starts wandering around unarmed and gets shot.

>>157247684
there's nothing stopping them from turning half the cast into girls.

That and adding mechas, then you'd have a 10/10 show

>>157249535
So sidearms only delay the inevitable. Even if he had a sidearm, he would have gotten shot too.

>>157249619
I am sure, because he would be too stupid to use it anyway.

>>157249543
Giving Reinhard an eye power would make it into a 12/10

>>157249657
yeah and make kircheis a girl, and scrap that shit about getting him killed, then make her a kuudere, you'd have a 15/10

>>157249657
Oberstein can already shoot lasers from his eyes in the original anime, he just doesn't use that power because convincing people with his words is more pragmatic.

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>>157247684
>I want a spawling space opera with cute girls.

Then you can promptly go fucking kill yourself. You're part of the problem.

>>157235188
>but I must refuse
It's a JoJo reference, you idiot.

>>157247900
Modern aircraft carriers have a crew of 5k men.

>>157235188
Yang is author avatar and the author is jap, japs can't betray their country/nation/whatever because it's not honorabru thing to do.
This is meta-explanation though.

>>157247684
>I want a sprawling space opera with cute girls.
Anon, they already tried that and it sucked ballsacks

>>157250536
Yang is ethnically Chinese

>>157250536
That's a dumb explanation. Yang said himself that had he born in the empire he would have served it gladly. It's just the circumstances, also the show has many defectors.

>>157250601
>Yang said himself that had he born in the empire he would have served it gladly.

> japs can't betray their country/nation/whatever because it's not honorabru thing to do.

I don't see a contradiction.

>>157248456
>what is the black plague?

>>157250591
That's a trick to devert your attention from the fact that Yang is a self-insert, because there's no way Japanese would want to relate themselves to Chinese.

>>157250926
just because he represents east morality doesn't mean he is a self insert, he has enough flaws in himself

>>157251033
The only actual flaw he had was what got him killed.

I feel like Yang's character is based off of Oliver Chromwell. Am I the only one that gets that vibe?

>>157241198
>>157245804
Posters artstyle makes it look like Code Geass body proportions

Please don't fuck this up IG

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I see this stuff shilled so much on this site.

Is it really worth watching? Does it have good world building and politics?

>>157249421
I never realized how much the Roman Empire looked like a nice juicy ribeye steak...
I need to eat breakfast already it's noon for gods sake

>>157252741
I like it.

>>157252741
>Good world building?
One of the criticisms most often levied against it is it does too much world world building. If you like world building, it doesn't get much more in-depth than LoGH. Literally two episodes are just faux documentaries about the current political situation.
>Politics?
heh

>>157235188
>converting to autocracy because they happen to have a good ruler at the time

The real reason is, reinhard is an autist. Had he explained his future plans he probably could have gotten yang on board. Kircheis was basically his autism translater and he wasn't there.

>>157248918
>>157248525
Did Emil serve Mein Kaiser well?

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>>157235188
Because he understood as great as Reinhard is his reign would be short lived and didn't want another Goldenbaum dynasty. Yang is the only person who stands a chance against him so him giving up would essentially be the death of democracy.

Yang is entirely passive faggot. For all the problems he explained to Julian, he didn't offer a single fucking solution. Yeah, sure, all forms of government break down in corruption eventually, doesn't mean there's no point in trying to fix it. Reinhard understands the dangers of monarchy full well, but instead of whining about how it'll inevitably be ruined, he searched for a solution, even on his deathbed he still established constitutional monarchy, trying to create insurance in case his lineage turns into second Goldenbaum. Yang's only solution is to stay with democracy because it mitigates corruption the most, disregarding the fact that it also mitigates any progress as well.

>>157254385
What was Oberstein's last wish?

>>157255864
For someone to feed his dog.

>>157255900
What does his dog eat?

>>157255922
Chicken.

>>157255864
was oberstein an asshole /a/?

>>157255034
How is that a bad thing? Democracy is for utopias where people's concerns are about regulating lawn greenness and flowers per house. It is not any more viable than communism.

>>157256908
Communism is democracy's final form, anon.

>>157255585
>democracy because it mitigates corruption the most
Lol, in what universe? Democracy encourages corruption the most, because you can't be sure how long you will stay in power, so you try to grab everything while you can, exactly what happened in logh. The larger the government the easier it is to corrupt, and for democracy to actually function it needs a big government.

>>157257063
Kinda like how death is life's final form, yeah.

>>157257961
No, he means (probably) that because politically they share a lot they are the same. But let me guess, you are an amerifat, and don't know shit about politics.

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>>157256908
>comparing democracy to communism

>>157256688
He's the definition of based so yeah

>>157256688
Extols that "dogs eat dogfood", feeds his dog chicken.

He was a nuanced man.

>>157248525
holy fuck

i never realised

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>>157258359
this isn't communism?

>>157243052

As long as they buy the merch, even if it's to support their Reinhart x Kircheis ship, the show and its ideas get to live a bit longer, not a bad thing in itself - and the old show's still around.

>>157252741

It's not like it'll teach all there is to know about politics, but the long-term perspectives it brings up are interesting, as are the short-term decisions taken and discussed over more short-term issues.

It's does get kinda annoying when they depict space battles as if happening on a 2d plane, but it's a compromise for the sake of clarity.

>>157258246
>Hi, I'm an assmad Eurocuck, care to bicker with me?
Suck my dick, fag.

Anyway, just as the logical conclusion of life is death, IE, the cessation of life, the natural conclusion of democracy is communism.

Also, for the record, the topic isn't "politics", it's governmental and economic systems.

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>>157243052
CLAMP made a couple of LOGH doujins back in the 90s. There's a reason Tanaka put a ban on homo until the new Arslan anime.
Pic related is CLAMP's doujin about Reinhard living in Valhalla with Kircheis

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>>157260858

>>157258359
>not knowing neither what democracy nor communism means
Confirmed uneducated amerifat

>>157261145
clearly you don't if you think government exists in communism.

>>157256688
Nah

>>157248238
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
>Paraguay, which suffered catastrophic losses in population – almost 70% of its adult male population died, according to some counts – and was forced to cede territory to Argentina and Brazil. According to some estimates, Paraguay's pre-war population of 525,000 was reduced to 221,000, of which only 28,000 were men

>>157260858
>Pic related is CLAMP's doujin about Reinhard living in Valhalla with Kircheis
this sounds fucking awesome if done properly

>>157248332
>How many millions of lives were lost because Reinhard was so wishy-washy?

Yes, Reinhard was unstable. And we all know why that was, and how things would have been much better if only.

>>157254857
>Reinhard spends the night with Hildegard
>Emil is sitting outside the room, broken-hearted

Not as well as he wanted to serve.

so tell me this, what is supposed to be the religion of the empire?, and the alliance, one is the norse gods right?, you'll tell me, but then, how did this religion came back from the dead?, who stablished it?, and is the fpa atheist?

>>157262725
The religion of the Empire is a revival of old Norse Mythology. I can't remember religion in the Alliance. If I had to guess when it came back was after the nukes went off on Earth and then heightened when Rudolf founded the Empire to give more legitimacy to his reign.

>>157262827
>I can't remember religion in the Alliance
i think there is several, one of them of earthism

>>157242881
Yet, he was the greatest amongst men.
Really makes you think.

>>157256688
He was actually the good guy.

>>157264357
>good guy.
>accidentally causes a rebelion on heinessen
he was very stupid good guy then

>>157251087
Being killed is a big deal for most people

>>157243011
>>157249196
That happens pretty often in history desu.

>>157235188
Should I read the LoGH novels in Japanese?

I don't want the remake. Just imagine all the fujos drawing them tumblr style and cosplaying them. It would be the next Free or YoI

>>157258688
Don't you dare taint the star trek enlightenment with your petty earth squabbles.

1.) This Picard quote is taken out of context - it is understood that the betterment of oneself and humanity is just another form of wealth acquisition self invested.

2.) Two things save humanity from death: The warp drive and the replicator.

3.) Therefor the most effective form of human organization will be the one that most assists in the inventing of these technologies.

4.) Surprise! Earth is already using them! The complex international network we exist within innately spurs competition. There are improvements to be made, sure.

5.) Study, become super genius, invent these things and save humanity.

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>>157265253

>>157255585
>even on his deathbed he still established constitutional monarchy
But he didn't. He told Hildegard to consider it, and she agreed to consider it. Nobody decided to switch to it.

There is nothing stopping the Goldenlowe Dynasty from returning to the same level of corruption as the Goldenbaum Dynasty.

>>157266746
they didn'y say it, but it's heavily implied that the only way to mantain the dynasty is with a constitution

Because last I checked, it wasn't until later that Reinhard actually agrees to add some sort of constitution to the empire.

Yang really didn't care much about "democracy", he cared about the rights of the people. His concern with the empire wasn't necessarily it being an empire, but the fact it had no checks in place to prevent a corrupt empire from happening yet again, which is what the constitution would solve or at least alleviate. However, Yang didn't realize this ever, and if he did, it was already too late for him.

Julius was his successor in every way who realized what needed to be done to keep to Yang's vision.

>>157264952
Only if you die.

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>corruption in the Alliance:
The upper class can use their money/power/influence to avoid the draft.
>corruption in the Empire:
The upper class can use their money/power/influence to gain control of entire fleets.

>corruption in the Alliance:
If you're rich, you can pay someone to be your servant.
>corruption in the Empire:
If you're rich, you can purchase a person and use them as you please, even as a (sex)slave.

>corruption in the Alliance:
A group of Terraist infiltrators will attack citizens who dissent in public.
>corruption in the Empire:
The official government police will kidnap and execute citizens who dissent in public, or are suspected of dissenting in private.

>corruption in the Alliance:
The government can arrest you for any reason.
>corruption in the Empire:
The government can arrest you for any reason. Also, nobles can arrest you for any reason. Also, your neighbor can accuse you of badmouthing the Kaiser, and you'll be arrested and executed without a trial.

Why do people like to pretend that the Empire wasn't way more corrupt than the Alliance?

This thread is humanity's friend. Could you abandon a thread?

>>157267466
i who says that?, it's pretty clear that the goverment of the empire is worse, with the space holocaust and all

>>157269909
It's about whether you want variance or stability. The democracy in LOGH is pretty consistently mediocre, but the empire swings between greatness at its best and genocide at its worst.

>>157270406
>the empire swings between greatness at its best and genocide at its worst.
but it doesn't tho, the goldenbaum dynasty is and was pretty horrible, all throught, it only changed with reinhard, just one kaizer out of the list of hundreds the show has, so it doesn't really swing, it just happened to improve a little

>>157246587
Manga artstyle has a certain charm to it. If they could change the eyes a bit, I think it would be a good style.

>>157269909
>who says that?
People on /a/ who say that the FPA deserved to fall because it was (in some vague way that never gets explained) more corrupt than the Empire.

>>157270582
That was part of the point, a great leader like Reinhard can only exist in an autocracy, but the chances of that happening make democracy the safer choice in the long run. It can never be as great, but it'll never be as shitty.

>>157271423
I entirely disagree. It's disgusting.

>>157256688
He's the ideal human being, a rational yet selfless man.

>>157264547
>accidentally

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>>157241198
>Can Production I.G pull it off?
Didn't they make End of Evangelion and GitS? Why are you even worried?

>>157241198
Is that official promo art? My fucking God, that looks completely awful.

>>157273410
Well, they also made Guilty Crown. I just hope they get a good director for it.

>>157273410
It's going to be rushed in terms of episodes. Most people won't even feel for Yang's death because the series was a blitzkrieg from Astate to the final surrender of Iserlohn.

>>157276236
>inb4 they make LOGH in 20 episodes

>>157241198
So when is this new anime supposed to happen?

>>157276954
Around the year 3600, same as the old anime.

No need to thank me, I'm happy to help.

>>157237456
No.

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>>157249726

>>157276954
It was supposed to air this year. Probably in fall. There'll be some event on September 20th where the PV and more info about the staff will be revealed.

>>157241198
Without the political critique, jokes about black people and women and classical music? Hell no.

>>157237456
The art is actually top notch, it's the animation that's horrible. I can never get used to the unsynced lips.

>>157256908
Read Locke, Hayek and Popper - then you might be able to have an opinion that isn't utterly worthless.

>>157273410
>This studio made good movies several decades ago, why would you be worried about their animation team from today?

>>157274650
That's an upscale of a smaller image, hence the details on it are shit (read: there are no details).

>>157267466
The Empire you describe is pre-Reinhard. The way it is in fourth season you can't kill someone just because you don't like them, Reuenthal agrees.

>>157267466
>>corruption in the Alliance:
>If you're rich, you can pay someone to be your servant.
>>corruption in the Empire:
>If you're rich, you can purchase a person and use them as you please, even as a (sex)slave.
>
>>corruption in the Alliance:
>A group of Terraist infiltrators will attack citizens who dissent in public.
>>corruption in the Empire:
>The official government police will kidnap and execute citizens who dissent in public, or are suspected of dissenting in private.
>
>>corruption in the Alliance:
>The government can arrest you for any reason.
>>corruption in the Empire:
>The government can arrest you for any reason. Also, nobles can arrest you for any reason. Also, your neighbor can accuse you of badmouthing the Kaiser, and you'll be arrested and executed without a trial.

Non of these are corruption.

>>corruption in the Alliance:
>The upper class can use their money/power/influence to avoid the draft.
>>corruption in the Empire:
>The upper class can use their money/power/influence to gain control of entire fleets.

I am pretty sure the alliance kept the practice of putting relatives/friends into power after you got position that allowed that.

Besides you are talking about the empire before Reinhard.

>>157271632
>but it'll never be as shitty
USA, USSR, France etc.
Democracy could be pretty shitty, and it can set up the stage for worse things. At the end of the day, most people are stupid and shouldn't have a say in politics.

>>157235188
But he didn't turn Reinhard down for Iserlohn, he turned it down to fucking retire and read, with his wife. The only reason he stayed in military so long was to protect his friends in the fleet. And Iserlohn wasn't a military dictatorship, it was the military base of the free El Facil government, which he served. Julian, and Yang for that matter, were never going to beat Reinhard.

Fact is, Reinhard was literally the only person standing in the way of galactic peace. He just wanted to fight. The second half of the show is Reinhard being fed up with peace. Why did he have to subjucate El Facil and Iserlohn? He starts a campaign to then have peace talks.

>>157254857
not as good as kircheis.

>>157256688
he was the asshole we didint deserve.