How do we fix Bleach after the soul society arc?

>>157205402
Focus on the main characters.
Mainly Ishida, Rukia and Renji. Have Orihime and Chad on the side and remove the overwhelming presence the other shinigami had after SS.

>>157205402
Remove the Aizen heelturn and end at SS arc

>>157205402
Make it end after Aizen's defeat.

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>>157205483
>Mainly Ishida, Rukia and Renji. Have Orihime and Chad on the side

Unohana assassin arc. Where a secret society in SS tasks Unohana to hunt down Ichigo.

His chakra gets depleted and he's on the run. Eventually after a harrowing chase, he's trying to hide and she kills him. Show ends.

>>157205644
What do you mean?

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End Bleach.
Start a SCIENCE spinoff

>>157205676
Shit idea. If anything Ishida, Orihime, and Chad should be getting more focus than Renji and Rukia since those two are basically done developing after the first two arcs; Rukia was done with after her fight with Aaroniero, all that was left was her Bankai reveal. Same with Renji.

>>157205847
Chad was uninteresting even when he was getting some focus early on in the series. He should just be removed.

Kubo should've done these two main things differently.

>Lessen the size of the cast. It already got too big during the first arc with all the new Captains and Vice-captains.

>Get a writer to help him out. Kubo had some great ideas, but it's like he doesn't really see them all the way through which leads them to be underwhelming.

>>157206101
>Chad was uninteresting
Speak for yourself. I enjoyed him, and I enjoyed his friendship with Ichigo especially since Ichigo usually bickers with so many of his nakama.

AIZEN DID NOTHIG WRONG

>>157205402
Ulquiorra and Gin never dies
End it after Aizen.

>Delete fullbringer arc
>Re-write Hueco mundo so fights are shorter and the plot moves in a more fluid way
>Focus more on Ichigo and co. rather than on other side characters
>Make it so that the last arc doesnt looks like a rushed piece of shit

>>157205847
Nah nigga Chad was interesting we just never got a payoff. He had cool dynamics with most of the cast and unique powers even among the Fullbringers. But in the end the Soul Reapers sell copies so the humans always got shafted. At least Orihime had a solid presence in the fight against Yhwach even if she didn't do much.

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>>157205402
Introduce more characters.

>>157205402
the ss arc killed it

give tatsuki powers so that she can take up more of the plot,hell give keigo powers too while you're at it

>>157206257
>But in the end the Soul Reapers sell copies so the humans always got shafted.
Basically this. The Shinigami got way too popular that the only human characters that could go up against them were Ichigo, Uryu, and at times Orihime; even the Arrancar had nothing on them since Grimmjow and Ulquiorra were the only popular ones, while no one cared much for the Fullbringers or Quincies.

>>157205402
Have Ichigo agree with Aizen's plans and goals.

But not until after Aizen is already defeated

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>>157206406
The Sternritters that got some cool development but as per Kubo the problem was there were too many to develop. We didn't even learn anything about Glasses and Guns and he was the one who shot the eye out of the future captain-commander. The ones who got decent screentime like Mask, Gremmy, and Askin felt like good villains.

And did anybody dislike the Bambi and her bitches? Giselle was one of the most fun parts of the war arc.

The problem is that the series had already blown its load after Ichigo had defeated or had a draw with renji, kenpachi and vbyukaga. Where could it go? Ichigo should have never gotten so powerful so quickly and so early on in the first place. It should have spent much more time with ichigo and mini rukia having cute adventures with their friends whilst slowly adding new members to the cast and allowing the grand story to steadily unfold.

>>157205402
Don't add 1000 characters that go nowhere. Stick with unraveling the plot about Soul Society having layers of secrets and Aizen being right. In other words, get Kubo a writer to turn his ideas into a coherent storyline.

>>157205402
We don't, arrancar arc is more popular than SS.
Fullbring arc is underrated, the retards who like pre SS bleach somehow hate this arc that's the exact same.
Bloodwar arc is good except the last 10 chapters.

The EXACT issue Bleach went to shit is when Chad got bodied in Mexico. That right there proved Kubo had no idea what the fuck he was doing. You mean to tell me that Cahd, who was eating up screen time training with Renji, who discovered his powers came from his grandfather's? hollow inside of him, which fed on other hollows, gets sent to the hollow world and NOTHING comes of it. Instead, he gets taken out almost immediately and is absent for the rest of the 3+ year arc.

So that's what we do, we keep everything up until the Hueco Mundo arc, and to fix that shitshow we need to just throw it all away and start it over from scratch
>Ichigo and co run riot right through Mexico, flexing on any and everyone until the Espada show up
>Pick up Nell along the way, she's teachign Ichigo how to keep his mask out longer
>Rukia and Chad barely overcome 10, Chad consumes him and gets a powah uppu
>Ichigo gets slapped by Ulquiorra, Orihime saves him
>Ichigo now fucks off with Orihime and Nell, who's now an adult, to complete his training while Rukia, Ishida, Renji, and Chad are getting fucked by Espada
>Captains show up to support them, they begin shit slapping en masse. 5, 7, 8, and 9 get ran through like whores in a trap house
>Ichigo, now with his mastered mask sets off to enter the fray
>Grimmjow has been stalking and waiting for him
>They scrap, Ichigo does his main character thing
>Enters the fray, only espada left in Mexico is Ulquiorra
>Aizen does his bullshit Aizen thing and suddenly all the shinigami are warped back to soul society, so its only Ichigo, Chad, Ishidia, and Orihime vs Ulquiorra
>They actually team up and overcome him, till Ulq turns it up and transforms
>blabla kurosaki-kun blablah WRYYYYY blah zangetsu
With all the espada defeated, Ichigo now plot devices himself to the real world to help the captains, and the rest of the events play out the same

>>157206641
>And did anybody dislike the Bambi and her bitches? Giselle was one of the most fun parts of the war arc.
It's not about dislike or anything like that, it's that none of the Sternritters became popular enough like past enemies such as Ulquiorra and Gin.

Did we get details about the last LN?

Don't just inexplicably skip 2 years of high school.

Too many Shinigami got screen time. Shit was already limited with Ichigo/Chad/Orihime/Ishida/Rukia. Keep it to a smaller core.

Soul King is a tangible being, instead of a force.

No one gives 2 shits about the Quincy.

Ichigo isn't half everything.

Shopkeeper final boss.

>>157207000
The prologue is translated anon. The second part was released Friday, but no proper translation yet.

Get rid of the fullbring arc

Have the stern ritters kill more named characters

Do a better fight with aizen.

>>157207066

>Shopkeeper final boss.

This not happening was Kubo's ultimate twist. It felt like everything was building up to it, since Urahara was just as much behind the scenes as Aizen was (if anything he was even higher up). He was manipulating events. How was Urahara not the FV?

>>157205402
Bring the focus back onto shit happening in the real world. Make all the rockin' future seven relevant and keep them relevant. Hold back on introducing a bazillion useless characters that do nothing but clutter the manga. Never do fullbring shit.

Ideally you'd want to have an arc in Karakura about shit Aizen is doing affecting the living world, then go full supernatural war drama between Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. Make Aizen sympathetic a little earlier on so it whether Ichigo and the Karakura residence should side with SS isn't a given. Give the characters we already have, and the important arrancar, a little more attention at this stage, even if this means shifting out of the usual Ichigo/our heroes POV at times, so that we're invested in all of them when they get to fighting their equivalents and their battles don't feel like formulaic filler. Make the battles actually interesting rather than just stupid asspull shit.

Either find away to do the Orihime romance in a way that doesn't make her boring, or drop it completely. If you do go with it, try to make Ichigo seem more involved with it. In fact, try to keep Ichigo in a place where he has more personality than generic protectbot, because after SS he took a sharp turn for the incredibly boring.

>>157206884
>We don't, arrancar arc is more popular than SS.

It's complete dogshit, though. Jap taste is irrelevant to this discussion. OP didn't ask how to make it popular, he asked how to make it good.

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I just want the bios of Kazui and Ichika.

>>157205402
more Rukia

>>157205402
Make it end there.

>>157209048
>more Rukia
no

>>157209080
Why not? She was a good character especially early on.

>>157209193
>early on.
then she became boring

>>157209403
So did everyone else.

>>157209521
Not science man

I stopped watching it there and that worked pretty well.

>>157205402
Just delete the Sternritter arc entirely, Make Jewzen the final villain and recon the manga to remove any foreshadowing of Kikeha Bach.

>>157209536
Yeah he did. He became the same boring lolScience asspull shit after the Ishida fight.

>>157209521
so you agree that she became boring?

>>157209650
Yeah, even a good character can't make it with Kubo's downward spiral of ass writing.

>>157209403
Literally everyone and everything in Bleach became boring about halfway though Hueco Mundo.

If you were to rewrite the series, you wouldn't just throw out all the central characters. You'd take them in an interesting direction. Bleach started with great characters, then its cast became so bloated that it could never give any of them any focus, and all the best ones were forgotten by Kubo and left in the dust, or relegated to minor cheerleading roles.

>>157206560
And then they have sex.

>>157209894
>>157209850
so you both agree that she became boring. glad to know we're on the same page.

>>157205402
Make Hueco Mondo and Fake Karakura Town shorter, then end it with the Aizen fight.
Here how I would have done it
>less Vizards
>Ichigo, his friends and some Captains discover that Aizen is in Hueco Mondo and go there to scout what he is doing
>only 5 Espada( Stark, Barragan, Halibel, Ulquiorra and Grimmjow), but they are buffed
>no minor fights in Hueco Mondo, the group discover that the desert is full of corpses of inferior arrancar that have been defeated by the current Espada
>since we are not wasting time with useless fights, let's develop our main cast a bit
>while Grimmjow and Ulquiorra keep the main group busy, Aizen and the rest seal Hueco Mondo and go to Karakura
>the fights with the Espada happen there but since they are more powerful than in the original some Captains die
>Aizen solos everyone
>Ichigo comes back from HM having mastered the Hollow form and fight Aizen with it( so no Final Getsuga Tensho or Butterfly Aizen)

>>157205402
Do the Quincy arc earlier.

Just make it about SS and gut the human cast.

>>157205402
by letting the arrancar arc pan out the way it was actually set up

>Bleach now
Ichigo, Ishida, and Orihime
300 side characters

>How Bleach should be
Ichigo, Ishida, Orihime, Rukia, Chad
30 side characters

dont focus so many fucking chapters on fights that are meaningless in the end. byakuya/toshiro/kenpachi vs that hercules quincy is the number one example of this since he just got absorbed by yhwach in the end which made the entire fight meaningless. in the few final chapters before the final fight, we had THREE different fights going on and paneltime was split between them.

>uryu vs hashbrowns
>ichigo/orihime vs yhwach
>the overrated trio vs that quincy

it would have been cool if the espadas weren't the only ones ruling hueco mundo and there were stronger hollows. Instead of fullbring shit we could've had that after Aizen

>>157206101
This is wrong, he was one of the most interesting characters in the beginning. The idea of him having some strange and unique hollow power was awesome before everyone and their mother was a fucking hollow hybrid of some kind.

>>157210846
Did we ever get an actual vastro lord hollow?
Or are we just stuck with the whole "yeah the top 4 espadas are all vastro lords.. maybe"?

>>157211043
Ulquiorra used to be one, it's shown in his flashback chapter. The one where he's bullied for being white or something like that.

>>157210279
>how can i make my point?
>i know, i'll pretend to be retarded!
>that'll show em!

>>157211043
Ulquiorra's stupid databook flashback chapter shows him as a hollow. Also back when he first showed up it was implicit that Wonderweiss was supposed to be a Vastolorde, but that fact got tossed along with Wonderweiss' relevance

>>157211249
im glad we both agree that rukia became boring.
-she became way too prideful and confident like her brother(difference is that he has a reason to be whereas she doesnt) after the first arc despite having grimmjow literally impale her
-had a habit of becoming a completely different character around byakuya
-she didnt really does anything in the fb arc beside give ichigo back his powers and had the lamest fight
-same face as toshiro
-last arc she got a nice bankai but thats it. kubo was done with her after that and gave her more spotlight when she became captain

ill never understand her huge popularity

>>157205402
Don't make the next major story arc also about rescuing someone from a mysterious and foreign society.

Make the Hollow hierarchy interesting and give them powers that put them at odds with the Shinigami rather than making them Shinigami: Spanish Edition.

Either end it after Aizen is dealt with or change the pacing of the story so that Aizen is a small part of a larger story rather than the big bad.

Get rid of the Fullbringer arc or change basically everything about it in order to make it relevant.

Make the Quincy War arc interesting and not full of totally pointless battles with side characters that have no consequence. GIVE ICHIGO SOMETHING TO DO.

There is nothing to fix, Bleach is beautiful the way it turned out

>>157211593
>ill never understand her huge popularity

Is it not obvious?

She was a good character before Bleach turned into a dumpster fire. Like most characters in Bleach.

>>157211835
>She was
exactly

>>157205402
How about giving Ichigo a goal?

Naruto has becoming Hokage and Luffy has One Piece and becoming Pirate King. Ichigo has... what? It's hard to even tell whether he likes being a Shinigami or wants a normal life sometimes. The entire series is him reacting to things that happen around him. He never does anything proactively to further his personal goals because he doesn't seem to have any. This is a flaw in Bleach that's basically present from the very beginning, from day one he has the Shinigami thing thrust onto him and from that point all the way to the end he basically doesn't do anything of his own volition. It's boring.

>>157211884
Your point is stupid, because every character became shit during the HM arc.

This is why everything you say sounds retarded.

>>157211593
All flaws with the writing, not the character.

Characters are not good or bad. The writing around them defines how likable and interesting they are. Rukia, Orihime, Chad, Ichigo, etc, were all victims of Kubo losing the plot.

>>157211923
ok but we weren't talking about the other characters. the conversation was about rukia and solely rukia. so many people on here claim shes a great character but the moment someone claims she isnt, you hit back with "b-but all the characters became boring" statement. its like you know deep down she isn't but can't or dont like to handle criticism of her character so you quickly change the subject

>>157211923
dont be retarded half the characters got their only redeeming moments in the HM arc, independent of the stupid plot crawling along in the overall

>>157211923
>during the HM arc.
That's when Rukia got her shining moment though. Her fight with Aaroniero where she finally avenged Kaien in her own way.

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SS invades Mexico to find Aizen. Turns out it's bad idea and the balance between worlds goes out of whack. Ichigo shows up and tells everyone to shut the fuck up and sort themselves out. Aizen bails and seeks refuge with Nazi Quincies, who then invade the weakened Soul Society. Everyone teams the fuck up and kicks all the ass. Cue climactic final battle.

Ichigo then makes lots of babbies with best girl.

Lots and lots of babbies.

Titcow is allowed to watch, sometimes.

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>>157212331
>Titcow is allowed to watch, sometimes.
Stay salty.

>>157206237
W O R D

>>157205402
Not insist on having every single character fight. There are way too many characters. That shit drags things down way too much.

>>157205402
Dont waste many chapters on fights, more time to handle better the plot and dont kill the best characters.

>>157212134
>le strawman, actually you're saying what I say you're saying!

Please nigga, don't debase yourself like this.

The fact is, Bleach's writing went down the shitter during Hueco Mundo. Most of its characters were pretty well executed prior to this. Pointing out that Rukia became boring is redundant, because the entire manga became redundant.

>>157212233
The quality of writing or of characters isn't dictated by how many successes the character has. Aaroniero was one of the better fights in HM, as something relatable to the readers was at stake, but it was still a bit of clumsily implemented plot point in an overall poor story.

>>157213337
im glad you agree that rukia became boring.

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>>157205402
There is no need to fix it when Bleach2.0 is running right now in Jump gaia.
It even has the version of Ichigo that had a personality form the early chapters

>>157213337
>but it was still a bit of clumsily implemented plot point
I don't agree since much of Rukia's character revolved around her guilt for Kaien's death.

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>>157213682
He's too happy and energetic, ruins the bleach feel.
Discount uryu is shit too.

>>157205402
no vizard bullshit, why even make the fit shopkeeper guy relevant in any way.

focus on the arrancars rather than the shinigamis... like, exactly what they did on the soul society arc, make me care about the villians.

give chad four arms and make him the friendship fag of the team, the one there to remind everyone why are they even fighting for.

no one fucking needs renji, drop him completelly, and make rukia a coprotagonist,

>>157211908
i always liked to think he was just trying to understand who he was.

he just keep fighting because he wants to understand, and because his friends needs it.

he is the one that can make shit happen, and so he does it, gladly, but he also does it to know "who is him".

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>>157213762
Ragu is 500% old Ichigo, back when he was fun and didn't give a fuck before Bijakuya blasted his as into serious MC mode.
Look even Yoruichi is here.

>>157213705
I'm not saying it was a bad plot point.

It was just handled pretty clumsily. The entire excuse for Kaien's face even being on Aaroniero was pretty tenuous. Technically Rukia had already avenged him when she killed Metastacia, the reveal that actually Metastacia had been absorbed upon death by Aaroniero was kinda weak.

More focus on developing Ichigo's core friends and less on the Shinigami, yet important characters from the Shinigami and Vizards get development.

Edit the Fake Karakura arc so that the fights are quicker and less dragged out.

Leave the Fullbring arc as is. It's fine.

Edit the fights in the Thousand Year Blood War arc.

Provide more info on the Soul King's background. We barely know anything about it.

Find a better way to defeat Yhwach aside from a special Quincy Deus ex machina.

After Yhwach's defeat, have one final fist fight between Ichigo and Aizen over control of the Soul King's power.

>>157211043
Nnoitra to Starrk were confirmed to be Vasto Lorde. Grimmjow probably too. Szayel, Zommari and Yammy are unknown, but according to novels, Szayel was an Adjuchas when he died.

>>157205402
This entire thread is missing the point, SS arc is what killed bleach and was where it underwent the "it's time to become a generic battle manga" transformation that ruins so many initially strong shonen series.

Everything beforehand was a lot more interesting than vaugely japanese afterlife with 10 quadtrillion throwaway characters fighting eachother and ichigo constantly powering up for no reason. Arcs after were "worse" but all the actual flaws happened with SS

>>157214083
That'd be fine if it actually happened but if anything he seems to understand himself less as time moves on.

In the beginning he seems pretty sure of himself as a person. Skip forward to the aftermath of the Ulquiorra fight and he's whining about not winning the way he wanted.

He doesn't really discover anything on his own, the events happening around him just happen to fall into place in such a way that he's at the center.

>>157214209
no it wasn't the middle of the HM arc was, when the established plot got derailed by unending fights that Kubo couldn't decide how to end, useless side characters, and completely ditching the reasonable not endless battle chain plot that he'd set up.

>>157214103
>Leave the Fullbring arc as is. It's fine.
Chad should've gotten a fight.

>>157206259
Worked for One Piece

>>157207066
>Don't just inexplicably skip 2 years of high school.
Honestly the fucking potential lost in the Fullbringer arc still makes me five out of the seven cycles of depression.

>>157211908
Ichigo is more like western superheroes. Batman and Superman don't really have any long-term goals beyond fighting crime and protecting the innocent.

The Fullbringer plot should've just been the Visored instead. A rag tag bunch of rejects with hollow powers try train Ichigo when the shinigami can't, only to steal the source of Ichigo's powers to further their own goals totally independent of both SS and Aizen.

>>157205402
Give Kubo more freedom to write and less control from his editor.

>>157211908
protecting his namaka

Fucking kill Hitsugaya

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rukia looks very lewd here

Final Anime when?

>>157211908
he had a solid motive and his goal was one that developed. From the very beginning he said he didn't want the responsibility of saving "everyone" just the people he saw in need of protecting in front of him. As the story went on him going places and meeting people just naturally extended his protection circle. Implicitly his potential ascension to soul king status would've been the ultimate logical fulfillment of that at the point when his M.O. remains the same but his scope of sympathy becomes all encompassing.

>>157216460
>his potential ascension to soul king status would've been the ultimate logical fulfillment
kubo would've give him such a sad ending.

>>157216584
wouldnt*

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>>157206239

This. Also

>flesh out the Soul King and make him a real character
>decrease the number of Stern Ritters and develop them more
>have Ichigo call out SS on their bullshit. He got too soft with them after the SS arc
>develop Yhwach better
>either use Ginjou more or outright delete the Fullbringer arc

How would I have done it? Well, I'm sure I would go to fanfiction territory, but I didn't like it just devolved into SS vs Yhwach. Yhwach was someone introduced so late in the story that picking him of all people as the final villain was a terrible idea for me. Early Bleach was very grey so I wanted the final conflict to be a bit more complex than what we got.
That's why I seriously wanted SS to be major villains again. I imagined a scenario where there was a major rift between the old corrupt shinigami and the ones who are close to Ichigo. Somewhere down the line, the real final villain would have revealed himself. Either Soul King, Aizen again or Kisuke as >>157207135 suggested.

And kill Mayuri. Sweet Jesus Kubo, I don't care if he's your favourite character. The fucker simply had to die, period.

Is Kubo going to make another series or is he done with manga?

It's ok, I only needed an excuse to keep enjoying Kubo's art and I was glad there were 750 chapters of this. Those Getsuga Tensho pages, godman, it's as if he literally spread ink over the fucking page. Glorious, also the semen demons were god-tier as well. I do not regret reading this manga.

>>157216705
>have Ichigo call out SS on their bullshit. He got too soft with them after the SS arc
He didn't get soft. He simply didn't give a shit about how they ran their own world unless it messed with his human one and/or the people that lived in it; Ichigo already knew that their system was an unfair one back in the SS arc, but didn't care to change it or fix it. All he wanted to do was save Rukia and repay his debt to her. The only another time he got angry at the way they worked things was when he was forbidden to save Orihime. He never bothered to stick his nose into their internal affairs.

>>157205402
End it.

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>>157214092
Every time someone compares Black Torch to Bleach, I always think about Ichika. Both of the Ichikas, in fact.

>>157205402
I wanted that after the SS arc the focus would be on the shinigami and the Soul Society instead of Karakura, explaining more if it, more flashbacks like Turn back the pendulum arc.
Besides I found the Arrancars too typical shonen enemies, I never had much interest in them.

Hueco Mundo was good you faggot.

>>157218547
t. The Man With No Taste

Ok, lets start with rewritting the Hueco Mundo + Fake Karakura arc, rewrite some shit from Fullbringer arc and deleting everything else. First off, Hueco Mundo should WAY bigger than it was portrayed as, Aizen would be the master of only a small part of it AND his forces should have had only 4 Vasto Lorde (Arrancar) out of slightly more than hundreds that were in Hueco Mundo. In this version Vasto Lordes are not the end point of the evolution for Hollows and whatever is higher is connected to how Chad's powers came to be.

Obviously Chad would be MUCH more important in this arc than he was in SS, he would grow powerful enough to contend with top 4 Arrancar in Aizen's forces. Also none of the Arrancar #0, the meme was hilarious, but that shit #10 should not in any way have been relevant to the story and should have been defeated by Chad even. Everything else can play out similarly (but way faster paced) like it did with the canon story, but Starrk (+ Lilynette), Ulquiorra and Gin should have survived (with Gin barely hanging on to life). This ends the Hueco Mundo and Fake Karakura town arcs, this way it makes Hueco Mundo a still interesting place to visit in future arcs.

>>157220540
Ok, with that out of the way, lets go to Fullbringer arc. This arc should much more than just Fullbringers, but also many more other societies and realms besides SS and HM. The Fullbringers should have been rewritten with not just been some power users that are just Hollow based. Fullbringer should have been a general term for Humans with Spiritual Powers and people like Chad that have Hollow powers and Quincy being only subsets of Fullbringers. Fullbringers should have numbered in the million(s) with a whole secret society in the human world.

This arc would be played out entirely differently to what actually happened in canon, Ginjo would be good guy and the boss of a much larger organization in the human world. Ichigo would have learned that there are other realms like Soul Society and that SS only has jurisdiction in Japan, this is where mythology comes into Bleach where places like Valhalla actually exist and have jurisdiction at places on Earth. He would eventually find out that the Soul King is an actual being that rules all of these realms. This is when Hell is reintroduced again (and fucking rewritten to not be shit like the movie), the introduction of the new big bad that comes from hell, and the start of Ichigo learning that Aizen was trying to fix shit.

There, I made it better.

>>157210363
>leave out best boy and /ourguy/ nnoitra

I stopped reading there

>>157220634
>places like Valhalla actually exist
You mean Division 11's vacation spot?

>>157221079
Honestly I thought about it, but Nnoitra's potential kind of felt all used out with his battle with Kenpachi. It was the perfect way to end his story.

>>157221145
The stories just write themselves.

>>157220540
>Ulquiorra and Gin should have survived
Literally shit. Both of them dying was one of the better things Kubo did with the HM arc especially Gin. He would've just been a prisoner like Aizen if he survived. Ulquiorra on the other hand would've brought nothing new to the table; look at what happened with Nel and Grimmjow, they survived and did the bare minimum in the last arc despite being hyped up especially Grimmjow.

>>157214092
>>157213682
I know it's been 4 chapters. But it just doesn't feel as genuine as Bleach. I know Bleach also 'ripped-off' that isn't my issue. My issue is just that it lacks an interesting premise. Bleach was great because the highschool isekai setting.

>>157221455
First off, we are talking about how to fix Bleach, anything after SS is shit that needs to be rewritten so I don't see why it matters what Kubo did after he killed of Gin and Ulquiorra. Those two characters still had a lot of potential and could have been used in the story. Ulquiorra still had a lot of grow left as a character and we have only seen a tiny bit of it at his very end, Gin followed Aizen for who knows how long and could have revealed a shit ton of information BESIDES being a good character that finally revealed himself for who he is. Killing them is a waste.

>>157221974
Ulquiorra's ending was perfect IMO.

>>157222440
Maybe it was, but killing a character that finally learns what emotions are at their very end never felt alright with me. Then again I never liked tragedy.

Kill Orihime off.

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>>157222586
No.

>>157222747
Yes.

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>>157222805
For what purpose? Look at how Ichigo reacted to the whole HM kidnapping thing, if she died he would just go super-emo again.

I'm glad that they built a happy family together.

Literally just end it

>>157205402
Hand over writing duty to Narita.

>>157216308
>Dat sex hair

Jesus, just imagine the sex they have. I bet Ichigo and Orihime fuck like animals as well.

>>157216308
Why can't I find the source of this?

>>157223686
https://twitter.com/OKI_niha_hana/status/863744827120209922

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>>157223475
Ichigo seems like the kind of guy who'd only go as fast as his girlfriend wanted. Which means yes, he and Orihime do fuck like animals, but that's not usually his thing.

The sole exception being their first time. Years of unsatisfied lust and desire will do things to a man.

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>>157224643
GIANT BOOBS!!!

Rukia is super cute, but Orihime has those tits so that wins.

>>157224643
Don't lewd the Ichihime.

>>157224765
Both girls are huge cuties, and I think their bodies fit them well.

>>157224965
Rukia is flat as cardboard though, but she's still cute.

>>157205670
>unohana
>not soi fon
>chakra
>not reiatsu
t.narutofagg

>>157225351
It fits though since she's so tiny.

>>157224643
bleach was funny

LET
KUBO
KILL
CHARACTERS OFF WHEN HE WANTS TO

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>>157225948
who did he even want to kill off?

>>157225948
Who are you even talking about? I doubt Kubo was going to kill off any more popular characters off especially since he got thousand of letters when it came to Ulquiorra. The whole Byakuya thing was bait.

>>157206259
Whats he up to these days

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>>157224816
Ichihime is inherently lewd. So lewd, in fact, that I'm surprised they only have one kid. Between Ichigo's inhuman stamina and Orihime's rejection powers, they could probably go at it for so long that she'd be guaranteed pregnant by the end.

>>157226386
Relaxing and resting in his pile of money.

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>>157206237
I just saw that part where Ulquiorra died last night. I cried like a little bitch. I loved him and he deserved redemption.

>>157226523
>I'm surprised they only have one kid.
It's because Ichigo enjoys paizuri too much. He's a tits man after all.

Keep the arc immediately after Soul Society pretty much as-is. It did a good job of establishing a new status quo, with Grimmjow and Ulq as the centerpiece villains, the Vizards as new allies, the "cold war," with Aizen with Karakura as the battlefield as the new plot, and new character arcs for the important characters: Chad needs to get stronger so he can have Ichigo's back again, Ishida needs to regain his powers, Orihime needs to overcome her self-doubt and Ichigo needs to tame his inner hollow. It also introduced good B-plots for Soul Society characters, like the Reapers wanting to discover their Bankai's, Ikkaku trying to hide his strength so he won't be forced away from Kenpachi, and Toshiro dealing with Momo's PTSD.

However, rather than jumping head-first into another rescue story that just did Soul Society over again, keep escalating that premise over a longer period. There are a lot of ideas in Hueco Mundo that would play really well with a Cold War with Aizen, and more confrontations with different Espadas trying to accomplish specific missions for Aizen in a monster-of-the-week fashion would have given the cast more opportunities to develop their stories and relationshiops. The idea that Espada 9 was secretly Kaien Shiba trying to undermine Aizen from the inside (except not really, WE TRICKED YOU) could have gotten a lot of play and given Rukia a really cool long-term story arc, for example. Forcing Ishida to work with Renji when he despises Soul Reapers could have played out over way more than just one fight. Ulq's interest in Orihime beyond the mission Aizen gave him regarding her could have been developed over the long term, and if Chad didn't have to job out just like he did in SS he could have mattered longer.

You can eventually do the Orihime kidnapping and HM Invasion, but when you do don't drop the plot thread that she's feigning being broken so she can screw Aizen and kill the Wish Ball.

That's a good start.

>>157205402
Shorten the intro arrancar arc. It was frivolous and added too many unnecessary one shot villains to give side characters fights. Keep a couple maybe for establishing the arrancar hierarchy but limit the appearances to once or twice. Don't have them popping up every day like they did in the story. Luppi was a pointless character.

Keep Hueco Mundo more or less the same but more linear.

Gut FKT arc to half or less. Get rid of every single side arrancar fights and make it a battle royale against the top 3 Espada. Have Aizen shitstomp sooner and speed up Deicide to a point where you don't want tear your hair out.

Get rid of the Fullbring arc.

Half the amount of Sternritter in the final arc. Make there only be one invasion rather than the back and forth bullshit. Give an actual plotline to the Soul King. Make the Elite Quincy fights a massive team effort. Speed up the Ichigo vs Yhwach fight but also toss in Ishida and Toofsy and make it an actual battle rather than black goo and timeline sheningans. Make Ichigo's bankai actually do something. Have Isshin and Ryuuken be the trump cards of the fight and actually utilize Orihime's power. Make Chad useful for something.

Then a more in depth epilogue that actually fucking shows where the characters ended up and a short, cute side story about the kids to send the series off.

>>157226386
Getting rid of his 10 year Japanese cold and being bored.

>>157228134
>actually utilize Orihime's power
I'm glad she helped fix his sword in the end, but Kubo could've had her do more with powers; that can be said for almost all the characters though. Part of me wishes the six nakama fought Yhwach together.

Can somebody explain to me how the final boss didn't foresee getting shot with a magic arrow that was apparently the ONLY thing that could've stopped him?

>>157216705
For a while I was hoping that the Soul King would take over Yhwach from the inside and reveal himself to be pure evil (like literally everyone guessed). All that build up was wasted. That would handily have put Ichigo in a spot too if some of SS still stayed loyal to the King.

>>157229315
If we want to give Kubo the benefit of the doubt, you could say that since the arrow stops his powers, he couldn't see anything concerning it.

>>157229315
Easy explanation: the nature of the arrow prevented him from seeing it with his power.

>>157229758
>>157229775
So he couldn't even see Ishida walking up to the place where they were all fighting?

>>157229828
Since Ishida was coming there to shoot him, no? I mean this raises the issue of if you can see all futures, and you see a suspicious hole in one, you should know damn well what that means, but hey. That's the best I can do with what Kubo gives us.

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>>157212378
>Strongest being in the universe is the son of ichigo and orihime

I will Be forever smug and happy

Here have some bread

>>157229315
Pretty sure he saw it but simply didn't believe it.

>>157229828
The bigger question is why the magic silver arrow not only disables the Almighty but also dissipated Mimihagi. Also Kubo had the opportunity to do something halfway clever with the ending by having Ishida stab himself with the arrow and then use the Antithesis to transfer the wound to Yhwach for a believable counter to the Almighty where he can only see future possibilities involving himself. But took the retarded way out instead.

God having an Ichigo, Aizen, and Ishida tag team against a Yhwach fully using his Quincy powers and Yamamoto Bankai would have been an incredible climax.

>>157230120
Oh shit I forgot that I totally thought that was what Ishida was going to do.

It's sad that random chumps on /a/ ended up being better at writing than the professional writer.

>>157212378
I am sure Rangiku is open to the idea of a three-way, I am just not sure if Orihime is into exhibitionism/sharing.

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>>157230388
>rangiku
>wanting anyone other than gin

>>157230433
I mean he's dead anon, and we know she's easy. We're talking past time skip here.

Everyone keeps saying we needed more explanation from Bleach (about things like the Soul King and so forth). And while I agree this would be nice, let's be honest here, Kubo sucks at this. What more realistically needed to happen was a whole lot LESS explanation. Nothing was more cool than entering soul society for the first time and not knowing what the fuck to expect. And the same with Hueco Mundo.

*SUPER UNPOPULAR OPINION WARNING*
To fix Bleach you must remove Uruhara. Uruhara was the worst part of Bleach, he served nothing to the story other than to explain away things in the most uncool fashion that could have been left up to mystery. His merry band including the kids and Kon shat up the series, and his few redeeming qualities all conflicted with other characters and could have been passed onto them instead.

>>157230469
>not liking ururu and jinta

how can one anon have such shit taste? it's unfathomable.

>>157230469
>including the kids
anyone else think they looked like renruki kids?

>>157230464
>we know she's easy.
Nah, Rangiku fits into the "carefree beauty who loves to drink and have fun and looks easy but actually closed her heart a long time ago" trope.

She's the same as Tsunade from Naruto who closed her heart after Dan died.

Ulquiorra doesn't die and Bleach ends after Aizens is defeated.

>>157230578

>jinta and ururu are actually renji and rukias kids from the future.

imagine the TWISTS

>>157230644
Buddy, who cares about her heart? get her drunk enough and she'll spread'em, she'll loathe herself in the morning, but it won't matter one bit.

>>157230539
They were not bad, simply unnecessary. All of Uruhara was unnecessary and easily. His early role as access to Soul Society could have easily been passed on to Ichigo's father, and his later role heavily conflicts with Mayuri.
Bleach is just a big old bucket of half characters that could have easily been condensed.

>>157230644
She might have closed her heart but not her legs. Nothing helps the tension of a long day of work like seducing your captain for a quick /ss/ break.

>>157230723
>he doesn't like KEIKAKU

It's like you hate FUN

Sasuga, anon-kun.

>>157230795
>>157230795
But thats just the thing. Bleach has TWO keikakus. We don't need two! Aizen was already enough. And thats not even counting Ywach.

>>157230893
One good keikaku to counter one bad keikaku, its basic math, anon.

dont introduce vizards and keep the gotei 13 and ichigo and friends at arms length save for like renji or something.

instead of the dumb tiny skirmish we got have it be a full scale war arc with hordes of shinigami and those skele guys fighting everywhere with Ichigo and friends caught in the middle.

make aizen the final baddie

fullbring arc can still happen later but instead of a deus ex machina sword that gives him his powers back he has to learn to live and thrive without them.

>>157229315

The thing that I truly hate about the arrow is how much of a asspull it feels, Ywach is unique, I dont think even the soul king had a power like the Almighty, no one in all the story of the bleach universe had a power so overwhelming as the Almighty.

And then along come some faggots and create a arrow that can stop the Almighty, from a silver that should not exist since Bazz be tanked the Auswählen face on and lived with no problems, he should have died with the silver in his heart no?

Even Uharaha had the excuse of being one of the experts in hollow physiology before he created the hollowfication drug to get the stolen bankais back, Ishida dad has no excuse for having the asspull arrow.

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One thing I would change is making all the build up to Ichigo having half quincy/shinigami/hollow powers have a pay off, maybe merge the full hollow form with horns and the Final getsuga tensho form into one, I dont know, anything would have been better than Ichigo getting beaten with a inch of his life by Juha.

And I hated Yhwach leaving Ichigo alive so fucking much, yeah sure Yhwach cut old man genocide in two, he blasted crazy monk apart, he punched a hole in the chest of lilloto/giselle instantly killing both of them because they were interrupting his beauty sleep, and then he destroys ichigo, but leaves him alive for no reason at all, god forbid Yhwach actually behaving in a consistent fashion and actually killing Ichigo like he killed everyone who stood in his way, instead he leaves ichigo alive simply because the plots needs Juha to act like a total retard.

>>157231478
I was really hoping Kubo would give Ichigo an actual power. To reveal that his super speed was actually the earlier stages of his real power, time stop, would have been great. And it would have given him a logical reason for being able to beat Ywhach (can't see Ichigo's future moves if they happen when time is stopped).

Kinda wish Kanae and Masaki were brought up during the final fight since Yhwach basically killed them and it could've lead to a great Uryu/Ichigo tagteam.

>>157231478
It wasn't handled deftly but there was a slight implication of it ahead of time. Ryuuken mutilating his wife's corpse could have been given more emphasis throughout the series to say "Hey maybe he did it for a reason"

And Bazz-B didn't die because of his strength. That or because he was full blooded Quincy where the gun guy wasn't. Who the fuck knows with the Sternritter all we ever got confirmation on was that the Auswahlen kills all halfblood Quincies but only weakens the purebloods.

>>157231478
>I dont think even the soul king had a power like the Almighty
Not true. Yhwach has said that the Soul King's power to see into the future surpasses his Almighty.

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>>157205402
>How do we fix Bleach after the soul society arc?
Have this happen like it was supposed to in the final arc.

>>157232271
Why? Rukia would have needed someone to stay back and support her while she defrosts and Ichigo sure as hell wasn't going to do it. A Rukia/Ichigo tagteam would have been shit despite what certain fans think.

>>157232361
It would have been better than that Ichigo and Orihime """""""tagteam""""""".

>>157232404
What does Orihime even have to do with this? Anyways I liked their tagteam; they truly were the sword and shield during that battle. It's a shame they got BTFO, but they had to since it obviously wasn't the final battle.

>>157226607
>Literal death personifaction of despair
>Redeption
That's not how it works.

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>>157205402
>How do we fix Bleach after the soul society arc?
We travel back in time and cure Kubo of his illness so he can complete his work.
Such a tragedy.

>>157232271
The one thing that wasn't shit about the final fight is the fact that it's Uryu and Ichigo who finally take down nose hair. Rukia being in that fight with a Bankai that wouldn't do shit again nose hair makes no sense, it would have made the fight even crapper. This was Uryu's and Ichigo's fight.

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>>157230007
Is he, though? Kazui might have the most raw power out of anyone in the series, but I don't think he'll have an interest in cultivating said power.

Why do I have this feeling that the villain from the new novel will have reiatsu + combat abilities greater than the Royal Guards, a ridiculously overpowered Zanpakuto, will be able to cast level 99 spells in quick succession, will have an overly dramatic plot and backstory and will attempt to reshape the world to his liking, will have links to several forgotten characters and will be defeated by Hisagi whose Bankai will just so happen to have a convenient counter for an otherwise invincible god?

>>157234483
Uryu wasn't even in the fight. He just shot an arrow at the end.

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>>157211908
He has one. His mother's death ruined him and he doesn't want other people to experience loss and have their lives changed dramatically. He explained this to Uryuu who also went through something similar with his grandfather and later expanded to his mother that made him so resentful and bitter as well.

Ichigo is like one of those cancer survivors that dedicate their lives to helping people with cancer and spreading awareness. It's a good motivation considering his background and the setting, which used to be the real world and when he had a mostly normal life when there weren't monsters threatening lives.

Funny how everyone hated Orihime and Renji throughout the entire series until the end because people want to be contraian because they "won" with the shipping endgames. Talk about star-fuckers.

>>157235949
Nigga even Kubo probably hasn't actually thought about Ichigo's motivations

>>157235982
>literally a chapter among others dedicated to explaining his motivation to fight
>"kubo hasnt even thought about it"
?

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>>157235970
Everyone that disliked them obviously fucked off after the final chapter. Why are still so bitter after 9 months? Just let it go.

>>157236035
>Everyone that disliked them obviously fucked off after the final chapter.
Yeah, literally 90% of the fanbase.

>>157235949
Ichigo has such a good heart underneath his rough outer layer. I'm glad that he built a family with Orihime especially since they have a similar background with losing the person most dear to them at a young age; I'm sure they're great parents.

>>157236083
>literally 90% of the fanbase.
You're talking strictly /a/ right? Most of the fanbase doesn't give a shit about pairings. You're overestimating how much shipping matters especially among the nip fanbase.

Remove the Xcution arc altogether
More traps
Less "HEY THIS IS HOW MY POWER WORKS AND ALL THE DETAILS SO YOU CAN FORMULATE ITS EXACT WEAKNESS"

>>157236144
>"Blah blah blah blah!"

You can clearly see how much life got zapped out of the Bleach threads webwide after that disappointment of an ending. And whether you like it or not, IchiHime and RenRuki was part of that because they weren't exactly popular within the community. It might have not been THE thing, but it was in the club.

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>>157236267
I don't really check other forums so I couldn't tell you, but it's not really surprising that the forums have fizzled out since Bleach is literally over and only the hardcore fans are going to bother reading the two latest novels. IH and RR becoming canon didn't really cause much outrage since the final volume managed to sell well. Once again, you're overestimating how much majority of the fanbase cared about shipping but I don't really expect a bitter IR to listen. You guys have never listened to anything that never worked in favor of IR.

>>157235949
Kubo really should have made him more proactive. There's no reason that motivation couldn't have made him decide to go off and change things to make sure his tragedy never happened again. Instead he just sits around until something comes up. Could have been great if he'd decided to make SS less fucked up.

>>157236026
They are never applied properly.

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>>157235970
>Funny how everyone hated Orihime and Renji throughout the entire series
That is not true.
Renji won the Soul Society Livejournal poll in 2005 (Soul Society Livejournal was where the Bleach fandom was at that time, where you would get the news about Bleach, etc), just after the Soul Society arc ended, and when the 3rd poll had been made in the Shonen Jump.
Neither Renji nor Orihime were hated at all at that time.

When Orihime was given more relevance as Ichigo's love interest was when especially her became hated by IchiRuki fans

>>157236622
>When Orihime was given more relevance as Ichigo's love interest was when especially her became hated by IchiRuki fans
Basically. IRs were overconfident and thought her crush would go nowhere but the second arc proved them wrong with her confession and that's when the hate for her character really took off. The more screen-time she got especially when it was with Ichigo or relating to him the more they attacked her character. I'm sure that Orihime was hated for being a healer in a shounen, but majority of her hate came from rabid shippers.

>>157236721
Her hate come from her character taking a nosedive in the Arrancar/Hueco Mundo arc.

>>157205402
No idea. I dropped the series a few episodes after soul society. It was so bad

>>157236816
I already stated that people definitely disliked her for being a healer that refused to fight in a series where most characters fought. Anyways it's a known fact that most of the hate Orihime got was from shippers.

http://missstormcaller.tumblr.com/post/160685232502/cant-fear-your-own-world-part-2-full-translation

One of the biggest problems with the Hueco Mundo arc was the ranking system. Aside from Grimmjow #6 fighting Ichigo early on, the Arrancar fights came in this order: 9, 8, 6, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. If the higher ranked Espada had fought first it would make the lower ranks feel not as important.

If it was up to me I'd make them actual lords of vast lands like their names suggest, and they wouldn't be necessarily ranked or stronger than each other. Sure, some difference in strength would remain between one another, but this way the fights could be presented in any order without making others less important.

Las Noches would go too. Its design was ugly enough but there wasn't any real point of having a fortress when they inside was just more desert, the only difference being the artificial sky. The conflicts would come from Ichigo and co. passing through the lands of a few Vasto Lordes, during the actual war involving the Gotei 13 some would come maybe one or two wouldn't actually bother to come, somebody like Barragan who hated Aizen might actually aid the Gotei or Ichigo and his friends.

>>157229315
Because Uryuu's power changes the outcome of events while Yhwach can only see all futures as they are. Toofsy even theorized that power could overcome the Almighty.

>>157231478
The arrow itself was fine as poetic justice since it was harvested from a victim of the Auswahlen, although it would have been better if Ryuken had dedicated a decade collecting silver from like 2000 Quincies as it would have more impact, "You were killed by the thousands of lives you took for your own" or some shit.

>>157237997
>if Ryuken had dedicated a decade collecting silver from like 2000 Quincies as it would have more impact, "You were killed by the thousands of lives you took for your own" or some shit.

Yeah, I would have liked it if it had been some heirloom thing that pissed off quincies had been working on for years and years.

>>157235970
>Funny how everyone hated Orihime and Renji throughout the entire series
>everyone
No, it was just impossible to post anything that would even include Orihime's name without rukiafags sperging out and shitting the thread with their shipping dumps and calling you porky, so people just stopped bothering to say they liked her. Renji mainly just had people calling him a jobber but never had an actual hatebase.

>>157235625
He destroyed ywach by touching him, an almighty being, yes he is the strongest thing in the universe

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>>157233980
I hope that Kubo explains more clearly in his interview in Jump Giga how his bad health affected the development of the series.

>>157237183
The guy's is Tokinada? Wasn't it Jinada?

>>157240694
Tokinada is the correct name.

>>157229315
The arrow wasn't the reason Yhwach didn't see it coming. The reason was Uryuu. The Antithesis has the power to overcome the Almighty. Haschwalth explained it just a few chapters earlier.

>>157236267
What? Were even here for the last chapter Bleach threads? They were the most active ones in years and we were hitting post limit pretty quick on each thread for a few weeks after. Things fizzled out after as the lack of any future Bleach content became clear.

>>157214191
>Nnoitra to Starrk were confirmed to be Vasto Lorde.
Citation fucking needed. Where do you even pull this bullshit out of your ass.
>Grimmjow probably too.
Grimmjow was explicitly mentioned to NOT be a Vasto Lorde in his HM fight.

>>157235970
People didn't really hate Orihime until Kubo went full retard and made her literally the worst, blandest character.

After than, yeah, you're right.

Ultimately there was never going to be a 'good end' for Bleach, whether in shipping or what actually matters, storytelling, because all the characters and stories became pure shit. People who say the ending is good are most likely doing so purely to shit on Rukiafags, but you kind of deserve it for 1. being a shipper and 2. not dropping Bleach after SS.

Wait.

I thought Ywhach couldn't see the future anymore because he saw Aizen release Kyouka Suigetsu, which is why he stabbed Aizen instead of Ichigo, and didn't see Ishida or Ichigo coming and thus, the bullshit asspull was that fucking Aizen had control over future vision.

Or am I remembering poorly and was he shot by the arrow before the Kyouka Suigetsu release?

>>157242535
Read the data book. The majority of the Espada were stated to be Vasto Lorde. And it was never stated what Grimmjow was. He was an Adjuchas when he met his Fraccion but it was never stated whether or not he became a Vasto Lorde before his transformation.

>>157242844
Aizen had cancelled Kyoka Suigetsu because he believed that Yhwach was defeated. Yhwach had then swallowed him, so it can't be Kyoka Suigetsu. Yhwach simply can't see Uryuu because of the Antithesis. That was already explained. Why do people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around that? That Uryuu can overcome Yhwach's abilities was the reason he was involved in the whole war.

>>157243093

Because halswatch or whatever was the name of the blonde boy, he could still see uryuu in the future using the almighty, and in any case the antithesis is a damage sharing power, there is no reason why it would be able to stop the Almighty from seeing the future.

>>157243484
Uryuu never used the Antithesis while fighting Haschwalth with the Almighty. And it was also never said that Haschwalth used the power to see the future against Uryuu.

And the Antithesis is not damage swapping. Uryuu can reverse and swap anything he chooses.

>>157226607
He achieved the best death any Bleach character could receive from lord Kubo himself.
His character was completed by finding some meaning to his life. He understood the meaning of a bond, and managed to understand Orihime in those last moments. It was beautiful and is the sole prove that when he truly wants to then Kubo is a true poetic.

>>157205402
You simply don't.

>Yhwach: "I don't like violence!"
>Proceeds to kill people more than any antagonists in the other arcs.

It still gets me.

For one the HM arc needed to stick to it's original premise:
>Aizen only just got the hyogoku
>Aizen only just made most of his arrancar
>there's only about 20 of them
>most are gillians
>there's a countdown til he can use it properly: a war is coming
>he hacked it so he doesn't need to wait as long
>he's trying to find vastolordes but hasn't found too many yet
>he's 100% ready and willing to ditch his current espada if he finds/makes better ones
>Orihime feels useless and wants to help
>Orihime wants to exploit Aizen's need of her powers to reject the hougyoku
>Ichigo is in way over his head

Ichigo needed to barely scrape his way into HM to get Orihime, have her refuse to be rescued because staying with Aizen is her only chance at being useful; and also refuse to give an explanation to her friends because she knows Aizen's watching and she has to keep him fooled. Ichigo would then be stuck deep in enemy territory, all his friends apparently dead or dying because of his recklessness, and his protect everyone M.O. in serious question because of his recklessness. He and his friends would be yanked from HM by a chastising rescue force, and he'd go back to finish the training he never actually completed with the Visored, as his hollow powers are/were the only edge he has in this fight. Chad would probably be left behind in HM due to some snafu in the rescue of the rescue team to give him time to explore and develop the hollow aspect of his powers.

The Visored would play out the plot that instead became the Fullbringer plot in lieu of Kubo fucking them up entirely: i.e. Shinji and the others train Ichigo to utilize his hollow powers because SS can't help him. Aizen preps for war and appears earlier than SS expected, forcing them to scramble. When news reaches the Visored they invade HM on their own, in part to Ichigo's confusion. They want the Hougyoku for themselves to complete their transformations; they never intended to save Orihime or help SS fight Aizen...

>>157247533
...Ichigo would have a crisis of faith. It would turn out the Visored were made by Urahara, as was foreshadowed in the first place. They resent him and want revenge for ruining their lives. Urahara just wants to continue his experiments that led to them and in turn Ichigo in the first place. Orihime would have her moment to shine, but Urahara would stop her to take the hougyoku back for himself, just as planned. Aizen would've trounced SS by then but sustained losses on his side from the battle on two fronts to let Urahara make his move. There'd be a big dramatic thing about perfect hybrid beings and yadda yadda yadda. Urahara final boss.

>>157247533
Aizen would've seen through Orihime.

>>157205402
Change the second to last page to Aizen saying "When were you under the impression you weren't under the effects of my Bankai?"

The last page would be pure white with the words "Bleach"

>>157247646
of course he would have, but it would've been nice to see her actually follow through on her plan far enough to have it fail, not just poof'd out of existence

>>157230724
>implying she bothers seducing him
I bet she just jumps him when the mood catches her, smothers his screams with her tits.

>>157242535
A large majority of the Espada were Vasto Lorde. The only one confirmed not to be was Aaroniero. A safe assumption would be at least 1-7 being Vasto Lordes.

>>157247688
Didn't Kubo drop that plot-line?

>>157248517
yeah, but not by wrapping it up or introducing a change to it, it just stopped being a thing with zero explanation

>>157244059
Which begs the question as to why it would counter the Almighty at all unless Ishida could undo Yhwach's future altering abilities. Also Haschwalth claimed the Balance was a better fighting ability than the Almighty yet the latter was literally the perfect ability that it needed some last minute deus ex machina to end the fight.

I know Kubo isn't the most consistent writer and between the pressure of ending the series and his physical issues I can understand inconsistencies but it's pretty infuriating that all these major plot points were dropped because of how bloated the last arc was.

>>157249052
That's not what happened. Haschwalth stated that he can fight better with the Balance than with the Almighty, because he can control the Balance better and has more experience with it. And unlike the Almighty, the Balance is effective against the Antithesis.

Uryuu can switch thing and reverse things. That would include Yhwach trying to take his power or seeing him in the future. He could simply switch the things he sees with the present and fool him that way.

>>157243006
>Read the data book.
Not written by Kubo and all the statements there are poorly interpreted from the manga almost word by word. It took the statement from Arroniero being the only Gillian as "the rest were VL".

>>157226386
Hopefully suicide.

>>157247658
That alone would have redeemed Bleach in my eyes, Kubo finally embracing his hackery.

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>>157249741
Easy with the edge.

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>>157249701
You're reading a lot into what's not there. Haschwalth literally says the his power is better suited for combat. Not that he can use it better or that he isn't suited to using the Almighty entirely.

Also Ishida's barebones description tells us he can swap things between two designated targets. Not that he could swap intangible concepts like present and future or even have the ability to see what Yhwach altered in the future.

>>157229315
He let himself be shot and he let Ichigo and the others live.
It's all a part of his plan to kill them when they're at their happiest, you'll see when Bleach;RE starts.

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>>157250927
>to kill them when they're at their happiest
Kazui will save the day.

>>157205402
I used to really like bleach when it was first airing but the longer it went the worse it got. You just have to pretend it ends with the soul society arc.

Kazui fuck Orihime doujins when?

>>157250397
Haschwalth literally stated he can't control the Almighty. He can't change the future like Yhwach, Without the ability to change the future, the Almighty is just a passive and defensive ability.

This is what Uryuu said: “Antithesis”. / It allows me to choose two points, take the events that have occurred between them... // ...and reverse them entirely. // In this instance, I chose to simply... // ...“reverse” the wounds the two of us have suffered.

It allows him to reverse the future with the present/past.

>>157231717
He absorbed Ichigo's power. Hell, even if he killed him, Ichibie would have just used his name powers to restore Ichigo back to life.

In other words, Juha Bach killing Ichigo would have been pointless in the beginning because Ichiebe would have brought him back no matter what.

The only thing that made me feel bad was that the final arc was so strange. And by that I mean that some fights were too short as were expository parts.

I actually wish the last arc was longer and better separated into sub arcs. Storm the palace bit was pretty good outside of how empty the end felt due to not really learning Yhwatch's deal and Ichigo & Uryu never really getting to show off his upgrades outside of that one Jujisho thing and the antithesis at the end respectively.

>>157254029
Ichigo and Uryu deserved a better final fight with a real tagteam, not with Uryu just landing the arrow on Yhwach from afar.

>>157254141
I feel like full-on coop from Uryu, Ichigo, Chad, and Orihime would have been the appropriate way to beat his ass.

Though I guess the married thing is weird to me mostly b/c it felt too heavily implied Ichigo would've tried to stay in SS. Or become a more solidified link or sth.

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>>157254029
The last arc took 5 fucking years. You wanted it to go even longer?

>>157254347
yes
i enjoyed most of it so yes

>>157254292
I never felt that Ichigo would have had to stay in SS to be honest; when the whole tickets thing happened, I just saw it as red herring. If Kubo really intended for Ichigo to stay in SS, whether as a Captain or the next SK, I feel that he would've wanted to leave it as a surprise like he did when Rukia was announced captain.

I feel that Ichigo is exactly where he should be in the final chapter. Happily married, raising a family, and getting to relax after all he did for SS through the years. The final volume cover lets us know he still has his powers so I imagine that he's still a shinigami deputy for his town.

>>157205402
Remove everyone who's not Ichigo and Rukia, nobody gives a fuck about the other characters.

>>157254571
yeah thats why i'm totally fine with it in the end and his ghost buddies come around still so its pretty gud

i do wonder what the fuck is up with urahara and yoruichi seeing as he can force her last form and she STILL never used her sword

>>157254633
>Remove everyone who's not Ichigo and Rukia, nobody gives a fuck about the other characters.
toshiro probably surpassed rukia in popularity with his adult-form you dumbass. ichigo and rukia weren't the only popular characters.

>>157254908
Rukia is always #1 in polls, queer.

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>>157255131

>>157255131
The last popularity poll we had was Soul Society only and right after Rukia's bankai. Before that she was consistently below Ice Shota.

>>157255214
Always #1!

>>157255247
I don't know why people give a fuck about Toshiro. He's a nothing. What is even interesting about him?

take a haitus and plan out the manga better

>>157255313
>child prodigy
>ice dragon powers
>white hair/blue eyes
>2cool4u attitude
>also makes for easily accessible straightman for comedy scenarios
>generally attractive design
>one of the strongest fighters in a shonen series

He hits on like every desirable trait for nips and fujos. Guarantee you that his adult bankai shit skyrocketed him to the top. Too bad we never got one last poll.

Give aizen a weakness instead of seeming invincible. He got beat by being over powered by someone else that did it through bs. Make the vasto lordes work as a team instead of individuals so that they work in groups and combine their powers creatively to make it difficult for the people fighting them.

If not that then cut down their numbers so the arc isn't ridiculously long.

>>157255494
He's still a faggot in my opinion. I'd rather have Byakuya be the most popular one. He has more depth.

>>157255327
i dont think jump allows that
hell it already seems like the only reason oda is getting breaks is b/c they realized they fuck over their own sales via overwork but its too late for everyone they canned

>>157255131
She was above Toshiro in the first two polls, but he surpassed her in both the third and fourth one. He also got first place in the favorite Zanpakuto poll.

The latest Bleach poll we got was the one in the 13th blades databook that featured only the Shinigami and Rukia came in first for both the popularity and Zanpakuto, but this was also released after she got her long-awaited Bankai. I wouldn't be surprised if his Bankai made him even more popular with the fanbase though. Either way, it's safe to say that Rukia and Toshiro are two of the most popular characters from the entire series.

I remember years ago Kubo was intending for this arc to go like 10 years, too bad he never got the chance too.

What was the actual problem with shounen jump and everything? Why can't he just fucking draw more?

>>157255578
Explain Togashi.

>>157255635
Togashi is the most privileged mangaka over at JUMP. One volume of HXH sells over a million copies; the only series to constantly surpass this number with a volume is One Piece.

>>157255627
>I remember years ago Kubo was intending for this arc to go like 10 years
I remember being completely baffled by this statement with the mess that was Fullbring. It was like a prison sentence.

>>157255780
only other*

>>157205402
Either A. End it after Aizens defeat and call it a day
or B. Shorten the Hueco Mexico arc and disconnect it from the fake karakura town arc.
Have Ichigo storm into the castle, save Orihime, bail out trying to avoid Aizen and the higher up Espada. Could be a good chance to introduce all the Espada and give them the tiniest bit of development before they all die to the Shinigami.
Add a small Arc between this now open rift of Hueco mundo and Fake Kurakara town that develops ichigo after he went Full Hollow maybe foreshadow his quincy heritage an the FGT, kick-start fake karakura town before this is fully resolved so he's still a little hesitant about his mask, maybe toss in the Hellverse movie as a canon TV special or something. Que FKT Arc but this time Ichigo's squad is also there to help out and whatever. rest can continue as normal really.
Can't say how you could fix the Thousand year blood war arc, Maybe slow down the pace at the end, or keep the pace consistent through-out.

>>157255635
they cant stop that nigga, that's a whole different story

everyone else is like a shitty symbiosis, togashi doesnt need them

>>157205402
I wouldn't make another Soul Society arc but with an orange girl.

>>157255635
>Explain Togashi.
SJ needs Togashi more than he needs them.

Just fucking have the anime do its own thing after the Soul Society arc.

>Let Orihime get some goddamn fights and develop both her character and her powers instead of being a damsel in distress crying "Kurosaki-Kun!"
>Have Ichigo get new attacks instead of spamming a fused version Getsuga Tensho with whatever he is at the moment.
>Give Tasuki some powers, she is a martial artist and kubo just makes her sit on her ass while Ichigo and gang are beating up bad guys.
>Try new arcs instead of a invasion type arc (Invade SS, Invade HM, Invade a Quincy takeover SS)

>>157256267
>Give Tasuki some powers
she was way too similar to rukia

>>157256267
The problem with Orihime is that whenever Kubo tried to develop or expand on her character everyone quickly forgets it happened and believe what you think about her character. She saw development in every arc. It's just her personality wasn't as brash or forward as Rukia so no one cared.

>>157256430
>She saw development in every arc. It's just her personality wasn't as brash or forward as Rukia so no one cared.
Exactly.

>>157254633
The delusion is strong

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>>157255494
Speaking of white hair and blue eyes, I wonder if Gin and Hitsugaya were supposed to be related in some way other than being close to Rangiku.

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The other day I found out that Kubo's illustration for a novel cover (not of Bleach) in 2002 had been written by Makoto Matsubara, the same who has written many of the Bleach novels. The first Bleach novel by Makoto Matsubara was published in 2004, so it seems the writer and Kubo had liked their collaboration

>>157260576
That's cute. Now we know why Matsubara wrote four novels.

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>>157205536

>remove the thing that made the series popular to begin with

Sure thing faggot, might as well change the title from Bleach to Downy too while we are at it.

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>>157261333
>Bleach to Downy

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>>157255627
He said he ended bleach suddenly on purpose to make a bigger impact.
Also health issues, his Japanese cold kept coming back for 10 years but he's good now, don't know if he'll continue bleach thou.

>>157206237
>Gin died before his redemption
That's probably the point I officially dropped it and just lurked Bleach threads twice a year to keep informed

>>157262631
literally this

>>157255635
Pretty sure Shounen Jump would lose it's footing at #1 if Togashi switched to another magazine. The second one (I think it's Shounen Magazine) nearly beat it a few times, especially when Akamatsu was doing A grade work.

Just fix the Three Kings arc and it would be fine. As I recall, it was editor conflictions that cause it to be rushed.

Wait, we're talking about Bleach?

>>157262539
>He said he ended bleach suddenly on purpose to make a bigger impact.
No he didn't, stop spreading misinformation.

>>157209536
Kubo pls go and stay go

>>157205402
have it end with Aizen's victory, get rid for good of useless characters

Byakuya VS Ichigo was the best fight in the whole series, especially seeing Ichigo go bankai for the first time.

The Save Rukia arc was God tier

>>157263502
1. AIZEN WAS NEVER THE FINAL VILLIAN. Kubo stated that Aizen was conceived as the villian half way through Soul Society Arc

2. The Quincy were always the end game since they were established WELL before Aizen was even a thing. They were always the major antagonists to the Soul Reapers.

3. 1000 Year Blood War as it stands is the third best arc of the entire series. If anything, make the post soul king death stuff more interesting and have the ending being proper instead of the bullsthi that was pulled by the higher ups

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>>157206641
>Literally ignoring everything from the reaction image of Bleach's final arc:

Dude, there was MUCH more Quincies that were far more memorable than what you listed.

>>157205402
Go up until the Battle for Karakura Town. Then kill, just, everyone. Or close to everyone. Have Ichigo kill Aizen in a spectacular finale, then end the series.

>>157265323
Again, what part of "Aizen is NOT THE FINAL VILLIAN" do you not understand? Aizen was conceived as the villian half way through Soul Society arc.

Him being the final villian makes less sense when you know not only that but recall all the past history that was written up for the Quincy in Pre-Reaper and even Soul Society.

Make every other cast member but strawberry a loli, and have it be a monster of the week kind of deal.