>no giant ape >skips SSJ3 Really?

>>157187187
>>skips SSJ3
What would be the point of going into a form way weaker than your son when he wants you to go all out?
SSJ3 is just a shit form all around and goku probably mastered SSJ2 like trunks.

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>>157187690
He did SSJ2 in same ep

>>157187187
>skips SSJ3
SSJ3 is a burnout mode. When you're fighting for the purpose of testing your opponent, not yourself, it doesn't make much sense to go into burnout mode.

>>157187187

All he needs it to add SSJ aura and he will be called Primary Goku.

>>157187690
>>157187187
BECAUSE HE DID FUCKING SS2 AND THE ONLY TIME WE'RE ALLOWED TO SEE ANY GOD DAMN HINT OF SS3 IS WHEN GOTENKS JOBS TO FUCKING BASE FORM VEGETA. FOR GODS SAKE OTHER THAN GOTENKS ITS A FORM ONLY GOKU HAS.

WHAT THE FUCK TOEI? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS

>>157188113
Heroes has ssj3 eveeyone, lol

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>>157187690
>SSJ3 is just a shit form all around
The funny thing is energy consumption wise it's about the same as SSB. And SSB is supposed to be the calm one with perfect ki control.

>>157187690
>>157187187
>>157188113
Why does everyone forget the huge limitations of SSJ3? The form is not practical, the only reason Goku used it so well was because he was dead and Gotenks has twice the bodily stamina because he's a fusion.

SSJ3 is more of a haymaker, than a hook. Does that make sense? There's really no reason to go SSJ3 unless shit has the hit the fan.

>>157188894
>The funny thing is energy consumption wise it's about the same as SSB
[citation needed]

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>>157187187
>giant ape
Goku was never able to control that form, plus he has no tail nor can he create artificial moon light. Also, great ape is only 100 times stronger than your base form, a SSJ2 alone is topping that.

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best fuckin dad

>>157192854
10 times*

>>157187187

I wonder why he even went SSJB, ssj3 would've been overkill on Jobbohan already.
Ssj3 is also the best looking ssj transformation, they should do more with it.

Also:
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Frieza
4. 17
5. Piccolo
6. the eternal jobbohan
7. 18
8. Krillin
9. Tien
10. Roshi

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>>157192986
>SSJ3 is the best looking one

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>>157192854
>>157192981

really?

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>using kaioken in a training fight when it's stated to cripple you

>>157193083
This abomination doesn't exist

>>157192986
>Ssj3 is also the best looking
That's not SSJ4

>>157193083
That never happened in the DBS continuity.

>>157193116
They have senzu beans, don't they?

>>157193132
But in the namek saga, a SSJ Ozaruu was shown in a flashback.

>>157193116
filler

>>157193214
That was more of a symbolic thing, but even then, Son Goku did not master that form, nor did he ever even use it.

So how do you guys feel when you find out future zeno is zamasu in disguise?

>>157193116
The crippling effects don't really kick in until much later.

The tournament is in a few hours in Dragon Ball time, and only lasts 40-something minutes.

>YouTube thumbnails showing Gohan in SSJBlue form
>it's fake
I hate myself for believing it, really.

>>157193380
I fell for it aswell, but I am sorta glad I was not actually spoilered.

>>157193444
Trips for truth.

I was at least hoping for a new form of some kind. I mean, Future Trunks got one.

>>157193474
FTrunks got his way into a serious fight. I still think the recent episode was one of the absolute best of DBS. Gohan didn't get a new form, but he got new fighting spirit that he was finally able to actually demonstrate. The choreography and even the cinematography was great.

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>>157193542
>The choreography and even the cinematography was great.

>>157193474

Yeah, but Trunks is an actual character, while Jobbohan is mostly just a gag character to laugh at when he gets his ass beat again.

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>>157193159
even better, they still have dende rite?
Unlimited Healer

>>157193901
There must be a limit to the healing abilities in DB.

Goku was actually told to rest when he was briefly crippled. No senzu beans or Dende, just good ol' fashioned resting.

>>157193901
Speaking of which, they should bring him along for the tournament, though he will probably refuse because "what if something happens during the 2 hours I will be gone even though nothing ever happens unless Goku is involved".

>>157193116

Kaioken only had the crippling effect after a long period of time. Goku hasn't used it any longer then a few seconds since his fight with Hit

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>>157193159
I wish senzu beans never existed. Such a stupid plot device.

>>157193159
It probably can't heal the lasting damage of kaioken or that talk with kaio about how goku will lose his ability to battle would've been pointless

>>157187865
What's the point of using SSJ2 when his normal SSJ form has the God powerup?

>>157193116
Also, I thought going Blue repeatedly in a short timespan was something that fucked you over, with each subsequent Blue transformation being orders of magnitude weaker? Isn’t that why Vegeta got fucked in the U6 tournament?

U7 Power ranking:
Goku > 17 > Gohan > Piccolo > Vegeta

>>157194388
The Blue power drain from subsequent transformations was only actually stated in the manga. The anime just implied it. Sort of.

>>157194303
It doesn't, thats what ssb is

>>157194409
Why is 17 rated so highly? He held up with Blue Goku for a bit, but surely Goku didn't go all out. How would 17 even achieve this power?

>>157194480
>How would 17 even achieve this power?
Training and love for animals. A downside he forgot how to deal with self destruct buttons.

>>157194439
Oh, right.
I bet it’s something the anime will ignore from now on, just like the Delayed Onset Ki Disorder. Though, I guess it’s not been that long since Goku went SSBKK in the exhibition match, and they could use it as a plot device to create tension...

>>157194480
Either knocking around poachers wielding military grade equipment is fantastic training, Goku was using the absolute minimum of his power or the power scaling is shit.

>>157194535
the third one. toriyama just doesn't care about the franchise anymore. he just wants ez money and if he's gotta get rid of 20+ years of carefully tailored power scales just so that a bunch of neckbeards can have a boner over "muh androids are back" and "muh mystic gohan" then so be it.

>>157194480

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNONXha3ukw

>>157193116
crippling effects was on x20, he is doing x2 or x3 only right now.

>>157194697
Kaioken itself is a destructive process, regardless of the modifier. Also, I thought he only went to x10?

>>157194650
When did Toriyama stop caring? After Freeza?

>>157194650
>20+ years of carefully tailored power scales
You mean like when Chiaotzu trained for a year to become stronger than Raditz? Or when Goku's power level jumped from 8000 to 120000 in a few weeks?

>>157194758
>in a few weeks?
It was a few days.

>>157193901
>>157193936
Buu can heal as well or better than Dende

>>157194062
Imagine dragon ball without senzu beans or revivals.

>>157194720
>kaioken
>a technique designed by and for gods
>Goku now has god ki

probably is no longer destructive for him if he doesn't go overboard with it.

>>157194720
> thought he only went to x10?
He went to 10x against Hit and used 20x against Namek Freeza.
The crippling effect for 2x seems to be removed.

>>157194935
2x10 or 2x20 ?

>>157194650
>get rid of 20+ years of carefully tailored power scales
Nigga, power scales were completely out of whack ever since the Saiyan saga.