>Villain used to have the same ideals as the MC

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>>157121265
>Villain makes more sense than MC.

>Protag does not give any counterpoints for the villain.
>Just says "you're wrong" and "muh friendship!"

Hate this.

>>157121402
Gundam SEED was hilarious in that aspect. Kira literally just replied things like "not all people are like that!" and "shut up!" to Rau's entire rhetoric.

>>157121466
That's because Rau was a psycho, and you don't have to address a madman's ramblings. You just do him death and stop him.

>villain's conspiracy thwarted because he wanted pancakes

>>157121265
Until he took an plot device to the character development.

>>157121265
>every naruto villain

Wow it's almost like you have shit taste

>>157123633
It's almost like you've never watched a good anime where this was done. Do you actually think most people even watched Naruto past the first series?

>Villain used to have the same ideals as the MC
>leaves the path of a hero
>MC stops him
>later the MC ends up just like the Villain did
>gets saved by the former villain

>>157121265
I agree, The Sons of Fate was a great album.

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>>157121356
>narrative still treats them as wrong without refuting any of their points

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>Villian with debatably better ideals and goals than the protagonist

>>157124476
>protagonist having goals or ideals

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>>157121265
>villain IS the mc

>villain turns the MC into a girl

>believe in the me that believes in you

>Villain has better ideals than the MC
>rather than denying it the MC actually agrees and joins the villain

>Villain creates or shows up for no reasons
>or show up to distract the audience
>in a stale gag comedy
it seems like Hayate no Gotoku has the worst villain in the manga history

>mc is fucked by villain

>>157124809
>>157124999

>>157121265
>Stop cumming inside me...
>I'm just a child...

>after mc and friends defeat the villain who wished to remake the world, they revert to generic low ranking doormat commoners in society

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>>157121356
>villain is just an average guy trying to bring peace to the world

>>157124611
>>157124809
>>157124946

All applicable to Eva

>>157124809
examples?

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>>157121402
Villains are usually the real good guys

>>157124665
That setting is great so fuck you

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>>157123695
yes

>>157121402
There's no point to reason with evil when you know you are good. Everything you do is good and righteous anyway, whatever the other side is doing is obviously evil if going against you.

>>157125713
There should be more anime where the bad guy is the protag

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>>157125713
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

>>157124665
give me more of this. it's always so fun.

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>>157121265
Ruined when
>Villain literally IS the MC

>>157125330
dammit medaka box

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Gotta love how, despite being a scumbag, Teach is still from the same heritage as Luffy and shares some of his ideals

>>157125864
You mean more weird Redman faces?

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>>157125647
I agree in some cases you really just feel that what the villian is doing is justified and sensible and main hero is just living in this fantasy world where people are nice.

>>157121265
>main villain isn't actually the main villain, which is revealed in the last few episodes

>former "main villain" helps MC defeat the final boss

>>157126973
>former villain becomes a new love interest
>is actually best girl

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>>157125713
Are you blind by any chance?

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>>157124440
Mecha anime is the genre that does this the most, I hope sunrise fucking explodes.