Reiner! Yarundana... Iba... KOKODE
>>157038899
Why is the animation and pacing so horrible if it's only 12 episodes?
SENSHI TO SHITE
>>157038899
>Iba
>>157038899
>>157038996
This is phonetically exactly what he says.
I wish Bert didn't died
>>157040128
Bert was too pure for this world.
No one deserved to die that way
>>157039064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7jSp2xmmEE
>>157038942
The animation and pacing is phenomenal, better consistent animation then literally every other tv anime, it's movie quality type shit.
Scene is perfect btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAZB-DOKio
Also love how each upload has 100s of 1000s of views.
>>157040388
This scene was directed pretty well.
Post yfw Attack Titan vs. Armored Titan ends up being 30% stills and 70% CGI
>>157040388
I was disappointed that they didn't show pic related and censured the cutting off reiners arm.
>>157039244
He says ima.
>>157040388
So true. I waited for this exact scene years and they didn't disappoint.
Have watched it like 4 times now.
>>157038899
After this I was disappointed to see his seiyuu doesn't have many roles
>>157040305
I wonder what that colossal faggot armin's titan form looks like...
>>157040305
>No one
He killed 270.000 persons.
Up untill now I have only seen the anime and am really enjoying the story and the mysteries are intriguing. Should I read the manga or does the story turn into some dumb shit because I heard armin is the colossal titan now??
>>157038899
>iba
goddamn retarded weeb
>>157040541
It's censored
>>157041101
Just read the manga and make your own opinion.
>>157040305
Bert did nothing wrong.
>>157038899
>iba
>>157041101
Read the manga and you will understand everything
>iba
>>157038899
>iba
I'm glad I get to use all these old images again.
>>157040305
He didnt suffer enough. BRAZ and all the Marley cucked eldians deserve death for betraying Eldia.
>>157040388
I didn't like it.
The way they reveal they are titans so casually made no sense at all.
>>157038996
>>157041187
>>157043178
>>157043642
>>157043709
>All these butthurt weebs
EREN, NIGETEEEE!
>>157040541
Knowing how animation studios work nowadays, I think they did it that way not because of censorshop but because they didn´t want to animate Reiner´s hand moving.
>>157044846
you forgot the bit about the part where super-jews once holocausted the world and ruled over it, until nazi germany was able to gas the jews into slavery
>>157044123
Quality Kek
>>157044835
>*literate weebs
>>157040305
He did.
shingeKINOkyojin
>>157040305
>annie
>>157045354
Save it. It's yours!
*screams internally*
>>157044835
>posts in nipponese
>calls others weebs
>>157040790
>>157047577
Ayyy nigga is skinny as fuck. Almost as skinny as Connie's mom, how does he move?
soon
>>157047016
>>157047669
The longer one stays in the colossal form, the skinnier it gets. This must be after a battle
>>157047669
yeah armind didn't lift like based bert
>>157047577
>>157046904
No, fuck you.
>>157047552
I just thought it was funny to hear all these sounds so many times while having no idea what they mean beyond a rough translation of the whole sentence at the bottom.
>>157038899
someone vocaroo this
>>157047577
>Armin, of all the people
>Armin
>ARMIN
>>157040388
How do I get rid of this bullshit once and for all?
I'm so fucking sick of it ruining the end of videos.
>>157044846
>>157045255
And that the Ackerman clan are literally Nazi super-solider experiments gone right (except for the manlet gene)
>>157044327
That's not the anime's fault. That's how it was done in the manga. I like it, part of it is to show you how unhinged Reiner's become, which is a result of him trying to live a lie.
>>157041101
They find out the truth. It's not the worst reveal. I'm pretty excited for next month's chapter. Do what you want.
>>157040388
>better consistent animation then literally every other tv anime, it's movie quality type shit.
this is completely wrong but i agree the pacing is definitely good, they're working the balance of fast action, mid-paced tension, and slower character building very well.
>>157048181
That's the point
Even Armin didn't want it
But as long as it upsets someone, thins like these it will happen
>>157047577
Why this looks so erotic?
This may have been answered already, but can some mangafag explain why the colossal's ribcage is in the wall? Did only the top half of his body materialize? If so, why?
>>157041700
...so it'll be in the blu ray?
>>157052578
It's a partial transformation. We've seen those before.
what chapter of the manga is the anime on?
>>157052741
this last ep was chapter 44
>>157052854
I meant 42
>>157052578
Unlike the other titans transforming for the colossal takes a lot of energy. So he prefers not to. And when he DOES do a full one, he at least doesn't move around very much in it.
Reinmong is a garbage shingeki
>>157052578
Remember when Eren made half his titan to block the canonball? It's the same thing.
>>157041101
Read the manga after the season ends. You'll enjoy the show more that way
And here I thought they were going to fuck, wtf
>>157047577
You know it looks like Armin could actually run with that titan. Imagine a 60 Meter giant of doom doing that, I'd be scared shitless
For those saying he's too skinny, the weakness of the Colossal titan is that overtime it loses mass until becoming a full skeleton
>>157040541
I think that if it had to be censored, they did it in the best way possible. Reiner´s hand was out of shot so you didn´t see it happening, but later on you do see that he´s missing a hand. It´s much better than the alternative that many other anime use: rays of light or black holes. It doesn't break the immersion, it just happens out of view.
This also leaves open the possibility of a Blu-Ray release where the full action is shown (much like how monster musume cut out a lot of boobs by simply "zooming in", but in the uncensored Blu-Ray showed everything).
>>157040388
>"movie quality"
>that cg
I like the show and even I think this is bait.
Eldian genocide when
>>157054608
Soon
>>157041101
>some dumb shit because I heard armin is the colossal titan now??
Even better, it turns out that Armin was facefucking Mikasa all the time Eren wasn't around
Didn't this show used to have thick lines? When did they give up on that?
Was this on purpose?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHCLjuOzXY
>>157055132
from what I've seen, Isayama likes to make caricatures of IRL people into his characters, especially for titans
Greetings /snk/ , my name is Erwin Smith commander of the survey corps.
I've come to this thread to recruit some of you to join our cause , to beat the titans and save humanity!
If want to join please say so and if you don't you better give me a god damn good reason!
>Well /snk/?
>>157055019
I really miss this look. It was stylistic and had a rugged straight from the manga-like visuals.
>>157038899
I forgot how terrible these threads are. Thanks for reminding me how crigey you casualfags are even online.
>>157041101
THEY WERE JEWS ALL ALONG
>>157055132
Why do Nips love Mads so much?
>>157055179
Titans aren't real. You're not real. None of us are real.
>iba
Dostedt
>>157040635
4 times
Not 150 times
Ok
>>157052726
Nice, it'd be a weakness if they were forced to transform fully everytime indeed.
>>157038899
>iba
>>157040388
>Already knew what was going to happen due to the manga
Now I regret reading it. That scene would probably have way more impact if it took me by surprise.
>>157038899
Fuck off to facebook kissanimefag.
>>157038899
>iba
>>157040388
>shingeki no kyogin
Jesus Christ if you're trying to be a weeb at least do it right.
>>157040388
probably end up being one of the most viewed anime scenes of all time, seeing as so many people watch the show and will replay 10-15 times
>>157040305
If anyone deserved to die that way, it was Bertl. He forced tens of thousands to die like that, after all.
>>157040388
Whats with the aggressive youtube shilling at the end of the video? It blocks Eren transforming.
>>157040541
>>157054267
There is an animation mistake with Reiner having his hand cut off by Mikasa.
>>157058930
His hand should have been missing already on pic. related
>>157040316
new challenger appears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hss9UwCzoLI
>>157040541
Gee that must fucking feel painful
>>157040388
I still don't get why everyone suddenly became super tense when that flag dropped.
>>157044950
Why is her voice so cute?
>>157057770
My fiance only watches the anime and thought it was really anti climactic and dumb
>>157059185
>anti climactic
yes, that's how it was meant to be.
>dumb
well, opinions.
>>157038899
>Iba
Dostedt?
Has anyone seen that new movie a silent voice
>>157040388
sooo good except the cg, I mean they couldnt have just put a little more money just to make it perfect?
>>157059554
Yes.
Why watch a show subbed when you can watch it dubbed and actually perceive the nuances of tones and languages that subs can't possibly capture properly
>>157040527
I just want a cool fight between Eren and Reiner now since the manga has turned to shit.
From the previews though, it's gonna be more STILLS and shit-tier CGI. Fuck Studio Wit. Lazy studio only had to make 12 episodes, they made a lot of profit from season 1, had 4 years to make this perfect, but too incompetent.
>>157055566
this x100
>>157038899
This is the worst twist ever in all of history. Fite me.
>>157061270
It's not a twist. And even the characters in the show knew beforehand. All it is, is a dramatic moment. Not a twist.
>>157061312
It was finally confirmed when they casually told Eren on top of the wall. Up until then there wasn't any direct confirmation, just subtle clues to some shady shit that could have been anything.
I should have clarified, I meant the part where they jsut blurt it out to Eren, not the transformation part.
I've never seen game changing exposition blurted out in the background without any focus on it, because the characters are in a hurry.
>>157055179
Greetings /snk/ , my name is Erwin Smith commander and I miss my dad! I've come to this thread to recruit some of you to join a major cause but my inner motivations are about my daddy.
Pls, hug me.
>>157041101
the story develops pretty well although people who follow the manga religiously probably disagree because it doesn't turn out like they expect or their favourite character dies
watching the anime doesn't feel exciting when you already know what happens though
>>157061464
The characters literally had a meeting and made a plan to deal with them. They all had to pretend to not know, and were keeping close eyes on the two. Mikasa had her blades ready.
I really wouldn't consider something like this a twist when even the characters themselves saw it coming and had already made plans to take them underground.
>I meant the part where they just blurt it out to Eren
Yeah, that was already after the meeting. They were all on guard and were on alert. If you're talking about why Reiner just decided to tell Eren, it's because his state of mind is all messed up. He was physically hurting Historia in the previous episode, someone he wants to "marry" because of how messed up his state of mind was.
>because the characters are in a hurry
It took them 3 years to blurt it out, and only because they're going through their own emotional bullshit.
It's not a twist, just a big dramatic moment. The thing I dislike is how Reiner and Bert weren't fleshed out before the moment. It would have so much more impact if they had more character interactions. Instead of Eren saying he's like their big brother, Reiner should have been showed acting like one throughout many episodes before.
>>157047577
why do I have to keep seeing Eren's asscheeks in this manga
>>157051739
Show me a tv anime with better consistent animation then.
>>157054293
12 seconds of cgi, admits heaps of highly detailed character models and animations, also anime movies are filled with cgi.
I've read the manga but haven't picked up the second season yet, are these threads still worth avoiding.
>>157055179
Sure
>>157058955
Searching for a distant star
Headed off to iscandar
Leaving all we know behind
WHO KNOWS WHAT DANGERS WE'LL FIND
What's special about Eren's Attack Titan? Compared to the Colossal Titan or the Armored Titan, his titan seems not too different than just a regular titan, at least when it comes to physical abilities.
>>157065214
Quality build.
>>157055274
Why don't you?
>>157062094
Did I understand what Reiner's thought process was when he spilled his spagetti?
reiner's point of view
>oh shit we get to go home now
>ah yeah we gotta get eren with us, that was our mission
>well no worries, he's a soldier so let's just ask him to come with, he'll do it because we're comrades and we trust each other, why didn't i think of this before?
>"wait what, the fuck did you just say reiner?"
>oh wait oops, he's a soldier like me but we aren't on the same side on THAT specific conflict
>goddamnit, well the only thing i remember is my mission to bring eren to hometown
>>157061084
>made a profit
Wit didn't profit off Shingeki shekels as they are not part of the production committee. What they did profit of is the publicity.
>>157061084
>had 4 years to make this
No? Did you think that the time needed to make things like gay vampires and attack on zombie trains just materialized out of thin air? If anything, they had to rush to get this out the door.
>>157061084
in what way has it "gone to shit" for you?
>>157066261
The other way. He forgot who's side he was on in the first place. For a few moments he was under the delusion that he was actually helping Eren and the Eldians.
>>157065214
High initiative and willpower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgGL6ZQJKU
MY SIDES
>>157070360
Already saw it
>Eren is a shitty protagonist, and the secondaries are so much better
Yeah
>Like mikasa armin or levi
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>157061084
>it's gonna be more STILLS and shit-tier CGI
Only Colossal is 3DCG and not in every scene.
>>157070360
>Eren being a titan doesnt make a lot of sense, mikasa makes a lot more of sense
Cant he fucking read the manga before shitposting about a show?
>Muh mikasa is a titan cos she is good at martiar arts
This guy must have killed himself when he saw bertholdt is the colossal titan
>>157044327
It was casually in manga and they even made the visuals better in the anime; it was cloudy and turned into sunny. The music was perfect and the VAs did a good work too.
I don't know what exactly made you dislike this scene when it's literally something not cliche and surprising.
>>157066261
Poor Bert had to watch all of it unfold right before his eyes.
>>157048443
Install an extension which lets you add custom css.
Add a rule for youtube.com
.ytp-ce-top-left-quad,
.ytp-ce-top-right-quad,
.ytp-ce-bottom-left-quad,
.ytp-ce-bottom-right-quad,
.ytp-pause-overlay {
display: none !important;
}
hides the 4 end panels and the annoying popup during pause
>>157040388
I love the look Mikasa has on her face before this scene.
>the two most powerful enemies we’ve ever seen are standing 5 feet from my brother and I’m not allowed to kill them yet
>>157061466
He's a piece o shit but I feel to much sympathy to not wish for him to fulfill his dreams;_;
>>157064430
No. Join us, anon.
>>157073197
I need eyebleach for this picture.
>>157057916
Putting aside Saturday, I've watched it at least twice daily.
>>157047861
why i am aroused by this
>>157038899
>>157038899
>Reiner! Yarundana... Iba... KOKODE
Please stop.
>>157038899
>いば
>>157038899
Cringe.
100% sure these are the kind of faggots that will lose their shit at the slightest sight of "engrish" in their animu.
>>157072091
Fucking awesome mate.
Do you have something for the annoying upper bar?
And maybe to make progress bar smaller.
>>157038942
because japanese are autistic
>>157047577
It's not fair that several of the 9 titans are so much better than the others.
Like the Colossal Titan is a literal nuke that can swat away anything like a fly. How is Ymir's shitty "dancing" titan and that cart titan supposed to compete with that?
>>157055132
Yes
>>157077532
I was going to defend Jaws by saying imagine if it was combined with the CT as it originally was, but I've no idea how Pieck's would improve the situation.
>>157040305
Bert was scum despite his rationalization. Isayama was a good boy making sure he died painfully/embarrassingly.
At least Reiner was so guilt-ridden over what he did he went legit insane, Bert kept it together cuz he was a sociopath.
I like how everybody is pointing the
>iba
but nobody has said anything about the
>yarundana
Also OP, you're retarded.
>>157044327
That's the whole point of the scene. You're meant to double take and go "wait what did I just read/watch".
It was a unique way to reveal it and I liked it for that desu
>>157041101
The mysteries are super-complicated and convoluted but I appreciate the world building.
>>157062610
klk ttgl psg
mononoke
ping pong, basically anything by Yuasabakemonogatari
>>157072639
>brother
>>157055179
This scene made me realize what an awful person Erwin was.
>>157078487
Nah, Erwin was ready to throw eneryone to death even himself to reach his goal.
He was good Comander
>>157078983
>Erwin dies
>All titans killed within a year
Not looking good for our one armed commander
>>157078983
>Erwin tactics based on kamikaze attacks with 80% casualties, can't even finish off the Monkey with super soldier Levi and 90% of the SL under his command
>Under coconuts command, 1 weak soldier and Eren slay the Colossal titan and take his power. Only 1 person suffered lethal damage during this operation
I don't think Erwin should've lead attack missions
>>157072639
>brother
Sure thing Mikasa, I believe you.
>>157040388
>ultimate titan transformation
>ultimate
You just know uploaders throw in words like these to draw in the kids/plebs
>>157038899
>Iba
>>157055019
they still have that, not in every frame and not as clear, but it's there. changed between seasons
Some of you are alright, don't go to Liberio in chapter 94
>>157077786
fuck off
>>157068506
don't expect an answer
>>157038899
just wanted to let you assholes know:
thanks to this thread I rewatched all 31 episodes and reread all following 43 chapters of the manga
thanks dickheads
>>157048065
>tfw you are simultaneously a manlet and a lanklet
so its confirmed that Eren can only channel the coordinate when he is touching royals like historia or fritz?
>>157090217
Yes. So Eren needs to violently touch History if he is supposed to cordinate titans.
Mikasa eternally btfo.
>>157059061
pretty sure it meant shit was about to go down. Because it caught everyone by surprise.
can someone explain why eren/reiner/berthold/annie never used zeke's OBVIOUS AS FUCK strategy of THROWING SHIT?
>>157090529
They are not monkeys.
>>157085902
>I-Im not an eldian normalfag, Eren-san I swear pls spare me from the happening. G-go for a high score!
I wonder how many animeonlyfags got spoiled beforehand because of 4cc's BERT IS A TITAN.
>>157040527
I'm willing to trust that only the Colossal will be CG.
>>157053859
And then what happens? Does it just drop down dead?
>>157038899
>Iba
>>157038996
>>157041187
>>157043178
>>157043642
>>157043709
>>157057579
>>157057859
>>157076661
>>157077786
>>157083221
>>157093199
Epic
Include me in the screencap.
>>157040541
how didn't the blade slice his head off when it went right through his arm
>>157062610
Nichijou. I'm not kidding. It's one of the 2-cour anime with consistently high quality animation.
>>157093638
Also sold like absolute shit.
Sasuga Japan, keep buying that low quality haremshit.
>>157090529
They don't have Zeke's mean fastball
>>157093695
It sucks, but meh, it was a 2-cour anime adaptation of a manga to begin with, so it's all good just as long as the anime helped the manga garner a bigger readership. If it was 1-cour it would've mattered more.
It just sucks that anime adaptations of manga (aside from those that are super popular) just aren't expected to sell anymore.
>>157055270
>>157064430
No, the tumblr posting has surprisingly died down a lot, dunno if it's before or because of s2, I wasn't in the thread until now.
>>157093901
That titan ass...
>>157090529
>>157093901
I hope Armin learns from this, with his brain he could be like fucking artillery.
>>157090529
Why didn't they just get Bert of fart on people?
>>157090529
Well, Eren wasn't fighting humans in titan form, so there's that.
>>157070360
>video deleted
too much bully
>>157090529
eren only fought other titans so throwing stuff is useless. The others though...
>>157038899
>not Raina
>>157040305
>let Marco get eaten
>gets eaten the same away
Pure pottery.
>>157090529
Zeke is the best at throwing shit because of his long monkey arms. Also he has to fight the most humans/ships all the time so he has the most time to use it.
>>157059184
To better please Eren
>>157048074
>Implying no one here knows what those words mean perfectly
This is it, it has all come to this, all of those 70 years of anime
it all culminated in the MASTERPIECE we're witnessing now, it was worth boys :')
Chapter 50 soon.
>>157099419
I just noticed how good that whole scene's going to be with the OST, and actual animated scouts fighting the titans in vain.
>>157038899
It's still bugging me that 4 years has gone since 1st season... SnK isn't even the hot shit anymore, hardly anyone cares about it even in Japan
>>157099419
>after this mikasa became a decorated pot
>>157099419
Also soon!
Do you think they'll show Dina during the punch? Just to fuck with people?
>>157079442
Hange/Armin wouldn't have done any better. There isn't much you can do against a hail of boulders outside of sending bodies as a distraction.
99% of Hange's squad got annihilated too. The only ones that survived are the main named cast thanks to plot.
Will this season cover the chase after Reiner ?
>>157040388
just before they transform their faces look like their titans
>>157090379
He used coordinate second to me by touching Mikasa. She is basically a titan and probably has some royal blood due to titan science that almost surely used royal blood.
>>157078487
>one of the first scenes in the story shows how shitty a commander Erwin is
>it takes you literal years to figure this out
nice one retard.
Today I will remind them.
>>157100529
Fuck off with Reinmong and post some Pieck.
Anyone else really respect Bertholdt?
He's pretty passive I know, but he's such a fucking champ about backing up his buddy. There's something dignified at just resigning yourself to supporting your friend in whatever he does. Not impressive, but it makes him a real staunch guy in general. I wish I had my own Bert.
>>157077532
They're not supposed to be equals in one on one combat. They're just all supposed to have their own roles.
Kinda like how you can't really compare a support and dps in video games. Their roles are not functional in the same situations.
>>157040305
I hope when he dies there's a brief flashback to the massacre in Shiganshina and the tens of thousands of people that were sent out of Wall Rose on a death march. Fitting that he should be eaten in the place he laid waste to.
>>157098775
And shit, Marco too.
>>157101775
He cannot function without orders from others. he isn't there to provide support but to support himself on others
he's a fucking leech
>>157093384
loss of momentum from cutting his arm ???
moron
>>157101775
There's nothing dignified about being a permavirgin orbiting cuck and a Marley dog
>>157038899
>/a/ turned into /tv/ and making fun from dumb one liners
We used to make great meme on this board, what the hell happend?
>>157102216
>We used to make great meme on this board, what the hell happend?
The 2016 election flooded this board with parroting morons and more phoneposters.
>>157055210
Killing jean and erwin at the same time was too much for me
>>157089973
There's literally no winning
>Iba
>>157090962I did.
>>157101775
No.
>>157102286
Phone posters need to go.
>>157101775
He is no joke the most pathetic and annoying character in entire manga besides Armin. What kind of respect can you have for that slime?
>>157103164
Not him but I really like his design. The way he's drawn conveys a lot about his character, makes him look like he's constantly worried and nervous. It's just a textbook good character design, without being flashy or unsubtle. It helps that (to me at least) B&R feel like they could easily be the protagonists of another story. They're antagonists that feel human, which always deserves praise.
>>157102286
>>157103123
You do realize most of those phoneposters are the same people that use a pc right?
Having a phone simply means that I can be on 4chan as soon as I wake up and I don't need to turn on my pc to do it
>>157040305
Yes he did. Bert needed to suffer.
>>157040388
Why the lightning? I didn't watch the first season and only read the manga, was it present there as well?
>>157103457
Because it's cool. Manga didn't have music either.
>>157095726
It's a girl's ass, too.
>>157099547
And yet people say EM is not canon..
>>157100529
Liberio's gonna go up in flames next chapter. I wonder who Eren's going to target first. My bet's on him going straight for Reiner since he seems to be stalking the guy already. Unless he wants to take a detour to greet Gabi and co.
>>157044327
>spoiler-free
Mostly what other people have said but the underlying point is that Reiner also became friends and family with these people.
So when Eren said don't give up and keep working toward your goal to get back home, he really did think if he asked Eren calmly he would come with them, and when Eren declined it shook him.
That's when he realized; they can't be family, his goal is to kill them all, and the longer he stays with these guys hes grown up with the more he will grow to love them. That and with 2 episodes ago when he jumped in front of that Titan to save fucking Connie Springer, Bert had to be the alpha in the relationship and basically say don't forget why we are here.
So he said fuck it, it even surprised Bertholdt and not in an asking way but in a affirmation way to Reiner to make sure his thinking with his brain on this and not his heart
>Reiner! Yarundana... Ima... KOKODE
>Tl;Dr I really like it.like a lot
>>157077532
>bit guy that can barely move
>smaller guy who can dash around and jump all over the fucking place
???
>>157099419
>Connie has fought more titans than Eren in human form kek
>>157106501
>STR vs DEX
https://exhentai.org/s/1e73c4858e/766191-8
>>157044123
Why the fuck did he go so nuts? It was just a close call, calm your tits
>>157106565
Eren: Connie is a genius!
>pats his head
>>157040388
That's about as good as they can make that scene, I thought it was much better than in the manga.
>>157090529
Actually Reiner threw titans at the Scouting legion to stop them from taking Eren away.
>>157102216
>>/a/ turned into /tv/ and making fun from dumb one liners
you're really grasping at straws with this one
>>157038899
>Yarundana... Iba
>>157101775
I agree
>>157038942
cause you are a faggot and you have to kill yourself
>>157079442
>Only 1 person suffered lethal damage during this operation
Nigga...
EVERYBODY died. Everyone that isn't
>Eren
>Mikasa
>Armong (unfortunately)
>Manlet
>Hange
>Jean
>Conny
>Sasha
>Fluffy Hair Man
is dead, excluding Historia who wasn't there, and Hange literally almost died and lived purely because Moblit killed himself saving her.
>>157102163
but the blade is sharper than the head???
>>157038942
Maybe it's because I watched this episode right after watching an episode of recreators but 20 minutes this episode and 20 minutes infodump-chan felt like night and day.