>You must defeat the Demon King What is this obsession with

>expecting creativity from redditsuba

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A massive group of anything will just fuck itself up of its own accord given enough time; no hero necessary.

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>>156880188
What if MC is demon lord?

>>156880188
It's the most simple kind of story you can imagine. Good vs evil, presented in a very black and white fashion.

There's a long prologue in Maoyuu novel about how this "Hero vs Lord of Evil" thing has been in every human legends for as long as writing exists. It's a convenient and simple plot that writers can follow, develop, or satirize in a lot of ways.

>>156880188
Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest is a huge deal in Japan. In DQ1, the goal was to defeat the Dragonlord. "Demon Lord" probably began as a reference or a way to to avoid copyright lawsuits from Chunsoft/Enix/Nintendo.

>>156880188
Fantasy worlds have black and white fantasy villains. Whodathunk.

>>156880188
Konosuba mocks and subverts traditional fantasy tropes. That's why the main villain has a cliche name. However, he hasn't been properly introduced yet, so he hasn't been mocked and subverted yet either.

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>>156880188
modern japan is shit at fantasy, they can't make a straightforward adventure and would rather copy-paste JRPG garbage plot rather than play an honest game of GURPS/Strike/D&D/Savage Worlds without adding any bullshit rules.

>>156880188
Japanese mythos. The sphere of influence that the demon king has generates mooks, as opposed to having his own mooks and converting others to his sphere.

But Demon King sounds cool.

>>156880439
>>156880677
You can be an evil enemy without needing to be a literal king of demons. Even the main villain of Narnia, the classic portal fantasy, she wasn't a demon king, she was just a really powerful witch.

>>156880188
Konosuba is a parody of /tg/-oriented vidya like Wizardry or Baldur's Gate. A more creative conceit would defeat the purpose.

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>>156880344
>MC is a demon lord
>still doesn't forcibly purified by shota dick
Why the fuck did I even play it then??

>>156880188
The average Japanese LN writer's experience with fantasy begins and ends with Dragon Quest.

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>>156880255
>everything that is good is reddit
You've got it backwards Anonfama.

>>156880282
Fine let me send an army of Jews after you and then we'll see who gets fucked up.

>>156880984
Or, you could just make it a demon king. The whole point of the story is to have a story with a demon king in it, usually with a spin, it's not like as if anybody unironically makes a demon king story.

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I wish there wasn't more fantasy parody than actual fantasy.

>>156880596
DQ3 sold more than DQ1 in Japan, and it featured the "defeat the Demon King!" premise. It also had a class system and making parties in taverns

>>156881127
Then there's going to be that faggot bitching about OP and plot armor.
I'd say parody is the safest route for novels.

>>156881127
>plate glove + bucket helm
You don't get to complain.

>>156881127
Anon there is decades of actual fantasy out there. It's because the actual fantasy has been done so much that they now have to resort to parody.

Next season there is one where they use giant magical robots to fight kaiju though.

>>156881127
Well, there's not much point in creating a stereotypical fantasy world unless it's there to be parodied. I assume that's what you mean by fantasy, since there's plenty of fantasy out there, they just happen not to real settings.

>>156881170
This. DQ3 was so huge in Japan, it became our standard for fantasy setting.

>>156881104
>redditsuba
>good

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>>156881255
>Next season there is one where they use giant magical robots to fight kaiju though.

What?

>>156881389
Remember the Destroyer? It's not like robots are a new concept in Konosuba.

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>>156881346
I guess you're right, its not good. Its great

>>156880800
>they're garbage at fantasy
>brings up roleplaying games

>>156881255
>Next season there is one where they use giant magical robots to fight kaiju though.
Well, go ahead and say what it is.

Please don't say Knights and Magic, that's just generic LN reincarnation garbage. Although if it IS KaM, I didn't know that had kaiju in it.

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>>156881255
>>156881299
>>156881454
it feels infuriating because parody is both "easy writing" and lazy writing.

whatever happened to simple adventures for adventure's sake? Even hentai can do a better straightforward fantasy adventure.

>>156881389
Knights and Magic, I think. The hero is a trap and will be voiced by Megumeme's VA.

>>156881480
>Please don't say Knights and Magic, that's just generic LN reincarnation garbage
It is, and I'm sorry.

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>>156881521
Why you gotta do this to me, anon.

>>156881108
You think when the paychecks start getting handed out there won't be problems?

I just want more fantasy with world-building. Besides a sense of adventure and fun characters, that's the best part.

Record of Lodoss War is as traditional fantasy as it gets and it's boring as hell because it has none of those.

>>156881500
>Rierii will never voice Megumin again after the OVA
This feels like NTR.

>>156881590
Why? Because of Season 3 never, or something actually happened?

>>156880188
Fucking baka... If you knew ANYTHING about good writing... you would know that konosuba is clearly a parody of typical RPG storylines like Diablo... It's intentionally cliche... you idiot... Please educate yourself before posting on the anime board... jease...

>>156881726
>Fucking baka
>all those ellipses
I can only assume this post was made in jest.

>>156881658
Season 3 never.

>>156881866
Thank God. After that travesty of S2 ending I don't want them to adapt anything more.

>>156882001
Wasn't the ending the same as the novel, just with an extra dead Kazuma?

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>>156881580
>mfw I just caught up with Hunter X hunter
>mfw it's literally everything I ever wanted from fantasy
>mfw Togashi is going to die before they get off the boat

>>156882167
Hans was also supposed to die to a combo of Megumin's explosion and Wiz's ice magic, but the ending isn't the problem.

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>>156880188
>demonsouls/darksouls/bloodborne esq. anime.
>Only borrows aesthetically from the game it's based on: stats and other game mechanics are left out.
>each episode consists of the character travelling to a powerful enemy, fighting it, and killing it.
>character doesn't speak + is fully armour clad.
>Story is told through the people the character meets and the world itself.

It will never be so. We are stuck with a never-ending fountain of copy-past isekai.

What do you think?
http://i.imgur.com/dNjYHPS.jpg

>>156881497
thank you for this, my dong is really happy now

>>156880188

>Summons a hero from another world
>He is really happy to fight the demon king
>They say that everything is fine, there are no wars and they just summoned him for lulz

>>156881768
baka desu senpai

>>156882622
Megumin is hot, but the others are slightly butterfaced.

Has a hero ever been summoned from another world for offensive purposes (i.e. to lead a military expedition against the demons) rather than defensive purposes (to save the kingdom from invasion as usual)?

>>156882867
yes

>>156880188
That's because most trashy isekai are done by low talent amateur authors who lift their setting and premise from dragon quest with a gimmick tacked onto it for attention.

>>156880188
cus nips have a hard on for western mythology.

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>>156882992
>the gimmick is forgotten by volume 3
>unless it was "the hero is a hentai lol no other LN has done this"

>>156883048
>His "Party" consists entirely of women he's rescused, one of which is his slave.

>>156881063
>Konosuba is a parody of /tg/-oriented vidya like Wizardry or Baldur's Gate. A more creative conceit would defeat the purpose.

The story of Baldur's Gate didn't have a demon king or anything close to that though.

>>156883014
>"demon king"
>western

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>>156883109
>Slaves are all cute girls and happy to be owned by the hero so it's totally okay and not creepy at all!

>>156883135
Someones never played D&D...

>>156883135
"Demon king" is just a Satan expy.

>>156880188
>the Roman Empire
Roman conquest of Gaul was for the best.

>>156883227
Closest thing to the typical Maou is probably dragons, but isekai dragons all have to be bros or cute girls so that's out.

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>>156883109
>"His" party consists entirely of women
All-female parties should be the only groups sent to defeat the big-bad ancient evil that woke up for an afternoon snack. Bland foreigners from other dimensions should go back to where they came from.

>>156880188
Yes, but not in a show that is a blatent parody of isekai tropes?

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>>156881497
>whatever happened to simple adventures for adventure's sake?
Dungeon Meshi has that, right?

>>156883308
>what are reaction faces
Kazuma's probably just as sick of it.

Also every isekai claims to be a parody or a subversion or something new but they seem to think it's the maou genre, not the fantasy genre. Somebody ought to reintroduce Robert E Howard. Conan stories could probably fill LNs just fine.

>>156883340
Dungeon Meshi is a rare gem. Kui's an actual author, not a bandwagoning opportunist.

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>>156883363
>anime Sword and Sorcery
I want this to happen so badly, especially if it means more cute girls in scantily clad armor killing shit. Lolibarians are the future.

>>156882167
Not only that, but they omitted a lot of stuff that happens in Alcanretia just to include a couple of irrelevant scenes that happen during the travel there (chicken race, undead attacking, etc.).

The anime has adapted many times repetitive and overdone jokes over relevant and character-developing content.

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It doesn't matter what the threat is.

>>156883363
Great writers invent new genres.
Good writers identify aspects of their genre worth satirizing, parody it, and turn it into something better.
Mediocre writers do the same thing but fail at making it better.
Hacks don't even try to do anything different.

>>156880188
Did anyone here play the RPGM game? How do you unlock the last quest? I literally wasted 80k on beer and the quest didn't appear.

>You must rescue the Demon Lord

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>You must marry the Demon Lord

>>156884052
What kind of writer executes an established genre well?

>>156883227
Not a Sauron expy?

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Say what you want but anime about a demon lord and his harem are infinitely better than shows about defeating a demon lord.

>>156882226
Instead, Aqua killed him by absorbing the power of her followers' prayers. How is it worse?

>>156887094
I was expecting Color Wars.

>>156887656
That one's of the same sort, but Trinity Seven is better.

>>156881335
Naturally. DQ3 is the best JRPG of all time

>>156880344
>hips
what hips

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>>156880188
Cmon anon, its like you've never played any RPG at all.
>defeat invasions by space aliens
That's something that will be revealed after you defeat the Demon King, its the real final boss.
>horse archer barbarians
That's a initial quest dude, begginer tier.
>mole people
underground level quest, will happen mid-way through the journey
> the Roman Empire
won't be exactly the roman empire, but fightning against a whole empire is pretty common when you're getting close to the endgame. Usually with your own.
>anything other than demon lords?
But you said demon king anon, that's completely different from demon lords.

>the Demon king has been revived after 10'000 years.
>hes from a time when legendary heroes where much weaker and less common.
>the demon king is barley miniboss tier by today's standards.

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>>156890491
>awakening from a slumber thinking you'll dominate the world
>be met with shounen powercreep

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>>156890683
>sleep for a decade before going on to dominate the world
>the hero awakens while you're sleeping
>finally rise from your slumber
>boy, I cant wait to go conquer the world
>find out that people are already fightning universe-tier enemies and a god that people didnt know even existed just died last week
Might aswell just go back to sleep at this point.

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>>156890683
>>156890844
True suffering