Ruined anime in the west or Saved anime in the west?
Opinions?
Who cares? The East is what matters.
Helped me to get these repeating digits
>west
kek.
>>156830848
streaming is shit
neither
>>156830848
>can't download
>forced to stream
>giving money to jews
>low bitrate
hmmmmm
Amazon will kill these niggers.
>>156830848
>west
nobody cares
>>156830848
>Streaming service with low ass bitrate
You tell me
>>156830848
>west
ahahahaah fucking retards
>>156830848
>west
wow it's fucking nothing
I grew up in the 70s. I remember the 80s and 90s trying to find anime. Even the 2000s were tough and we had the internet. The problem is you guys grew up in an age dominated by Crunchyroll so you have no idea its effect on subs.
Incomplete series. Series that never get subbed. People ragequitting for petty reasons and hoping new groups would pick up where they left off. Fansubs have NEVER been a viable substitute. You just don't realize it.
>>156830848
>80mb per episode
You can't make that shit up.
>west
What did OP mean by this?
>>156831733
What the hell do you mean?
The best of fansubbing was objectively better than the best of CR - think things like proper sign typesetting, lyrics translated, better sources and sometimes similar turnaround times for OVAs and movies (though by the end of fansubbing's relevance, CR streams WERE better than Japanese TV - 3 or 5mbit progressive MPEG-4 is a lot nicer than 13mbit 1080i MPEG-2.)
The worst of fansubbing was objectively far, far worse than the worst of CR. Muh reddit memes suck to read but they beat mistranslations from mistranslated Chinese as done by someone who doesn't actually speak English either, and for every show I personally rushed to get out same-night there were easily three or five that could wait a couple days for my raiding schedule because lol no competition. (Not to mention the stuff that just got ignored by everyone.)
I miss the competition and the creativity, and the old ways did more for my personal tastes, but there's no question that the average episode watched now is a lot better than the average episode watched then.
Anyone wanna trade a CR sub for my AB account?
>>156831534
Here it is folks, 5/6/2017, the ignored post that tells the truth.
I am no fan of streaming, but you have to admit that it was fucking retarded that in this day and age there was no legal way to watch current anime outside Japan (partially even outside the Japanese metropolitan areas).
The problem with CR, that I see, is that the Japanese studios don't fucking care about "piracy". They have to pay for their late night TV slots and earn nothing from it. All the income is generated by merchandise that is sold as a result of the broadcast, including discs. If you consider that in Japan there are usually no recording blocking measures in the broadcast, there is practically no difference between a regular viewer in Japan and a "pirate". They have the show on HDD and may opt to buy merch or not. That is why there hasn't been a major outfall over fansubs. The only people crying were Western licensors that feared their returns could shrink. (Did they?)
CR is a Western shithole that may throw a tantrum over their releases being ripped simply because they can. If they ever do, I will cancel my subscription immediately.
Bottom line: Neither, but things could rapidly go downwards, so the situation isn't exactly comfortable. The 00s were better times.
>>156830848
Their player constantly skips, desyncs with subs and stops altogether. You can't even expand the video into theatre mode without subscribing. Kill yourself.
>>156831534
Except this is 100% bullshit. If anything the fansub scene went to shit when CR and other streams came around and everyone in the scene left shit up to them. Until about 3 years ago you could watch almost every single currently airing show with fansubs that were better than CR, better encodes/bitrate, and sometimes faster release.
And if you're going to pretend to be an oldfag you should at least know back in the 70s and 80s mail order fansubbed VHS was one of the ONLY ways to watch anime. Even when professional releases were more common in the 90s you still got things faster through fansubs both on the internet and through the mail.
>>156831977
Don't pat yourself on the back, it's poor form.
>>156831814
>The worst of fansubbing was objectively far, far worse than the worst of CR. Muh reddit memes suck to read but they beat mistranslations from mistranslated Chinese as done by someone who doesn't actually speak English either
That's your fault for being the one retard that unironically watched shit from Hadena.
>>156832339
Crunchyroll's main problem is that it is a fucking garbage service. In Australia we have a similar site called Animelab, and despite the con that they have relatively less series available, they have one of the best players I've ever watched something on. You should know as a paying customer that their service, despite their size, can not even compete with a comparably tiny Australian one probably built in a cave over a long weekend. And they will never work up the effort to change it.
>>156832339
Studios don't matter, the production committees do. And internet piracy matters a lot to Japan as well. So much in fact that they have very harsh laws and arrest those who upload stuff on the internet like manga scans and anime recordings. Funnily enough, the ones that tend to get arrested seem to be Chinese, according to reports.
Part of license agreements between the production committees and licensees like Crunchyroll/Funimation or the Alibaba Group is that they combat internet piracy in their respective region, even if it's a somewhat lost cause.
tl;dr: all the businessmen involved in anime hate and want to eradicate internet pirates, and would prefer that everyone legally streams, nips and gaijins alike.
The suits, no matter if nip, chink, gook, sea-nigger, ameriburger or yuropoor are all old conservative people with old conservative views. That won't ever change.
>>156832649
I didn't, but a lot of people did. If we need to judge CR against like gg Kara no Kyokai or whatever, we also need to judge it against Hadena C3.
Not to mention the poor bastards who wanted to watch Precure when it was Doremi or nothing.
>shitty selection outside of US/Canada/UK
>low bitrates, even for paying customers
>don't care about licensing older shows
>translations focus on how it might sound in english,rather than keeping the japanese meaning behind it
>DRM
>>156832812
Well, yeah, that CR has no JS-based player is embarrassing for them.
>Flash
>2017
Really too bad. All the nicovideo exposure I get nowadays is through rips on youtube.
Flash needs to die. This isn't funny anymore.
>>156833356
English has its own idioms and context, moron. Makes sense to change shit into something that makes sense to a westerner rather than using the Japanese sense that'll confuse them
Crunchyroll is the best simulcasting company in the west since everything else manages to be absolutely shit. And it doesn't even matter because if you live outside the US, they geoblock you from content and even if they don't, the idea of having streaming exclusives means that you would have to subscribe to the shittier services as well.
t's shit, just like the west
>>156833356
>>156833447
More like they don't even know how to make it sound in english. CR's translation tend to be awkward/ stiff as hell.
>>156833447
I'd watch Cartoon Network if I wanted that shit. If you're confused by Japanese concepts then you probably shouldn't be watching anime.
>>156830848
Nethier, it more or less killed fansubbing but the sub almost everything so their not a huge amount of difference except you get release straight away now.
>>156830848
I don't care about anime in the "west".
You should all kill yourself in my opinion.
EOP GENOCIDE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
>>156830848
They ruined it by making it more accessible for the Normies
>>156833444
It may be because of some specific DRM requirement by the licensor. At least that's the excuse one TV channel has used.
It made anime mainstream and more accessible for the public, and that's a good thing. You are a delusional hipster weeb if you think that that's a bad thing.
>>156833504
>>156833906
>being this much of a Weeaboo
>>156833916
Why are you using the word normie instead of normalfag, you arsehole?
>>156833916
>Normies
Shouldn't you be in /r9k/?
>>156833992
Because it triggers you
>>156830848
>west
lmao
>>156834007
Nah, you're just a hypocrite, normalfag in denial.
Never gave two shits about streaming services, rather curious, why people making fun subs bailed? Same goes for many translation groups. Many people retire and there's not enough new blood would have been my guess.
Who cares? Crunchyroll is still gay and run by jews
>>156830848
I dont mind them, since for all their faults we no longer have to deal with fansubber bullshit outside of the occasional series and random OVAs
>>156834046
Why waste time and effort fansubbing if most just want to watch subbed anime as soon as possible at good enough quality?
>>156830848
CR going legit is also what is killing them. Most of the anime this season got acquired by Amazon.
When CR became the undisputed "Netflix" of anime for a few years, Japanese Consortium "Daisuki" and Amazon want some of that big slice.
>>156834046
Nobody cares about EOPs anymore.
Saved it for me. I fucking hate having to either illegally download, visit pop up crazy stream sites or pay top dollar for what little physical is actually available just to watch anime.
Made it mainstream, worst than death
Why is this western hater spamming? Everyone here hates west, you don't need to post it 20 times
>>156830848
jewing anime in the west
>>156834038
What does normalfag even mean anymore
>>156834120
Daisuki can be considered a failure that couldn't compete against Billibilli and Crunchyroll/Funimation.
It was such a failure, the Anime Consortium broke up, and now it's nothing more but Bandai/Namco.
Also
>west
>>156834151
>west
wwwwwww
>>156834151
Not everyone is pathetic weeaboo like you
Neutrally impacted anime in the west.
>>156834120
>Most of the anime this season got acquired by Amazon.
Amazon just has more cash to throw around if they want to take a market. But not apparently they don't want to spend enough on improving the product, which is shit.
>>156833946
>>156834148
How is it good or bad?
Are you really such a special snowflake you hate more people sharing your interests?
>>156833605
This pretty much desu.
>>156834173
Normally, it means an anime-and-manga-loving dork who tries to hide the fact that he's an anime-and-manga-loving dork because it's embarrassing to be an anime-and-manga-loving dork by pretending to be normal and tells other anime-and-manga-loving dorks to behave like normal people so that normal people won't find the anime-and-manga-loving dorks embarrassing shitty losers anymore.
It's like a fag who's still in the closet and won't come out as being a fag.
That's what a normalfag is.
A fag who tries to pretend that he's normal so that the normal people won't discriminate against him for being an embarrassing anime-and-manga-loving dork.
>>156834089
>Translating stuff because of other people
Well, it might be somewhat reasonable as a motivation for some, I guess, but doesn't people mostly do it for fun? I mean, what else is there to do after learning fairly useless language as Japanese other that doing fan translations?
>>156834296
>what else is there to do after learning fairly useless language as Japanese other that doing fan translations?
Watching anime for yourself instead of translating it for others.
>>156830848
Fuck off.
>>156834258
No, I hate having other retards like you around.
>>156834272
Still much better than being an obnoxious Weeaboo retard who wears headband and spouts Japanese phrases
>>156834296
People do it for attention, retard.
>>156834272
>crunchyroll shill perverting words
>revealing your powerlevel is a good thing
kys
>>156834272
Everyone on /a/ hides their power level you newfag
>>156834296
There is plenty of stuff out there that is untranslated.
>>156834313
this, also the power of waving your e-peen around and having random anons beg you for shit
I thought shilling was against the rules.
>>156834258
It's good because studios will know they have a large established fanbase to distribute media to. these are companies in a capitalist system after all. Wanting a fanbase to stay small and niche is bad for your fanbase.
>>156834296
>but doesn't people mostly do it for fun?
>Watching some shitty anime episode multiple times to try and make a translation that makes sense
>fun
The fansub scene has always run off lust for attention. You can say it shoudn't, but most people dont do something for nothing
>>156831928
MAL?
the only time I've EVER used cr was to stream my first ever anime, TTGLI still download streams, just not from cr
>>156834347
How? There's attention whores, yes, but how does it affect others who do it for genuine interest?
>>156833916
>>156834377
It's funny because this is what most people on /a/ actually believe
This board is basically /r9k/ lite
>Crunchyroll is B A D
>people will still steal their subs because everyone and their mother is still too lazy to actually translate in 2017
Sad
>>156834432
what else would you expect from an outsider-hating anime board?
CR isn't perfect, but all the torrent sites are either going to absolute shit infested with spyware or straight up shutting down, so I don't mind putting up with CR's shit instead.
>>156834459
It's pretty pathetic really, most sensible people would want the thing they like to be more popular rather than stay small
>>156834431
I said they do it for attention, there's nobody who does that you fucking retard. It's the equivalent of whoring yourself without sucking dicks.
>>156834272
You are the newest of fags trying way too hard to fit in right now. Right up there with the elitist greater than thou nip speakers getting mad at the West instead of fucking off back to 2chan.
>>156834432
>TL comes to /a/
>ask what needs subs
>gets banned because no recommendations
>dumps his work
>gets banned because no generals
They had the whole market to themselves when Funi started doing dubbing and they were still garbage with the whole quality and episodes thing a few weeks ago.
>>156834483
But everything recent enough to be done by Crunchy is easy as shit to get
>>156834377
>normies
>rebbit meme
>>156834609
>filename
>>156834365
And a normalfag tries to tell other anime-and-manga-loving dorks to behave like normal people so that normal people will accept anime-and-manga-loving dorks instead of treating them as shitty subhuman and embarrassing loser scum.
Most anime-and-manga-loving dorks don't care that they are considered subhuman and embarrassing loser scum by normal society. But the normalfag is the anime-and-manga-loving dork who does care, trying to please the normal people.
It's like that cool girl or jock who picks on nerds for playing D&D, but secretly does play D&D with the nerds, and tells the nerds to stop being visibly uncool nerds, because else they can't hang out with their cool popular friends anymore.
>>156834151
Must be haters of the white race. Or just a regular white guy, there's no difference really.
>>156830848
Keep fighting the good fight and Ignore shitposters.
>>156834512
No they don't. Almost anyone deeply into a hobby does not want it to be too popular because that inevitably attracts undesirable people.
>>156834408
Okay... I see your point, but everyone has their own brand of fun.
For example, there are actually 15k people playing factorio right.
>>156834679
>the white race
Nobody cares about your stupid color drama, burgerlander.
ATTENTION
>>156834670
Just stop, you've embarrassed yourself enough already.
>>156834670
Holy fuck how new can you be
Just because you are a NEET loser does not mean everyone here is
>>156834432
>This board is basically /r9k/ lite
Always was mate, /r9k/ exist for the same reason /jp/ exist.
>>156834512
> most sensible people would want the thing they like to be more popular rather than stay small
Like video games right? Just look how happy /v/ is about video games becoming popular, fucking idiot.
>>156834704
Like for example you.
>>156834704
Only if they are autistic
>>156833356
I don't get it. I haven't download Eng sub anime for a few years because I switched to Chinese resource.
How does CR or other licensed streaming affect the old shows. Take bilibili as example which is a licensed streaming site since 2014 but there are still tons of unlicensed anime there and can stay there as long as they don't get licensed by other Chinese streaming site.
>>156834405
I hate streaming with a passion but
>i want to discuss about thing
>fuck off thing shill
>>156834258
Yes. Anime fanbase is already bad enough
>>156834756
/v/ is full of screeching manchildren as well, who cares about them
>>156834819
It always has been
>>156834721
There's nothing you can do to stop anime-and-manga-loving dorks from behaving like anime-and-manga-loving dorks, you anime-and-manga-loving dork loser who tries desperately to fit in with the normal people.
>>156834819
>Anime fanbase is already bad enough
Look at what most threads are about:
>series with announced or theoretically possible ships
>series with fan-service
>series with little girls
>harehshit
>>156834771
>>156834781
I'm just saying that this attitude is not unique to the anime fandom. It's present in most hobbies. For example, music fans generally have the same attitude. Most don't want bands to get too popular and be influenced by the mainstream.
>>156834925
>I am a fucking loser and proud!
Go choke on a pocky
>>156832496
Really? i mostly remember subbers just focusing on half a dozen shows a season... but on the plus side those were the shows /a/ talked about, and essentially watched together... now we're getting almost everything and a wider gamut of conversation, though less focused.
>>156834952
Only if they are /mu/ tier hipsters
Most others buy their music and try to support them
>>156834756
/v/ is often off-topic because the hobby often brought in younger posters who doesn't understand the importance of rules, not because of its massive popularity.
I pay for a Crunchy subscription just so I feel less guilty about using HS.
They aren't perfect but in general I like CR. You can tell they actually love and care about anime. I also enjoy the news articles and stuff on their website.
I agree their service is pretty awful. What they need is a desktop app or something instead of forcing you to use their horrible web player. But for now I just see my HS downloads as being a work-around for their bad service.
>>156834258
nyaa is dead because anime is mainstream
>>156835021
No, I can guarantee you that people who actually buy music dread the thought of the bands they like going mainstream. Sure, they want the bands to do well, but they aren't looking for popularity among the plebs.
>>156830848
Neither, anime had already gone to shit when it rose
>>156834958
That was an absolutely awful post and you should be ashamed for making it.
>>156832496
>with fansubs that were better than CR
I sure do miss 4 different groups translating gundam 00 and all of them disagreeing on what a plot important line said.
>>156835068
>I pay for a Crunchy subscription
>I agree their service is pretty awful
Jesus Christ
>west
>>156835185
So let's say you go to a store and the people there are rude to you, but you still want what they are selling. Does that mean you don't have to pay for it anymore and you still get to take whatever you want?
I'll just leave this here
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
>>156834958
You want me to be a fucking normal and proud like >>156834720 wrote?
>>156835224
No I just don't want you to lok like this
>>156835218
I go somewhere else, idiot.
>>156835218
Just it it for free dipshit.
>Be from Eastern Europe
>half the anime on CR not available
Nah fuck this shit
>>156835076
No, because the admin bailed out
>>156834514
[citation needed]
>>156835282
>>156835288
Are you simple? Except in the case of original fan translations, Crunchy are the ones subbing the shows that you are downloading. Doesn't make a difference if Daiz corrects a few of their errors and throws in a whole bunch of unnecessary localization and then slaps his name on it. It's still Crunchy who is making it easier for you to watch anime.
>>156835276
I hope he goes around in public like that, so that everyone on /a/ has to hide their powerlevel like the disgusting normalfags that they all are because of such people.
>>156835282
>>156835288
>being this entitled
>>156835393
Nu-weeb spotted
You are the cancer that gives anime fans a bad name
>>156830886
t. HorribleSubs user
>>156835376
This whole board is already one. Hell, there's even 'scanlation' threads.
>>156835086
Well , that's exactly what most anime fans would want, so the creators get enough exposure, but do not become too maisntream.
>>156835390
This has to be bait.
I'm fucking done here.
>>156835390
Get it from horriblesubs you massive retard.
>>156835407
If you want to support the studio, by BDs and Merch.
>>156830848
It kills cartels circlejerk who sometime drop your favorite show for their shitty inner circle drama that you don't give a fuck at all and no other group want to pick it up, by CR existing this problem is almost nonexistant anymore.
Who's your favourite character in the Crunchyroll cast?
Mine is Miles, he's a qt
Who do we blame for this?
>>156834512
>>156835520
>>156835507
Great response. Justify it all you want, you're still freeloading off the hard work of people that you refuse to pay.
So what's worse, Amazon, CR, or Funimation
>>156835581
/v/
>>156835520
Why the fuck would you want to support the studios? They're a bunch of shit. Support the production committees that hire the studios. The studios are nothing more but the place where the lowly animators slave away and ruining their health. They deserve no pity for being omega-turbobetas who let themselves be exploited. After all, they're just happy to work on anime.
>>156835491
Anime has way more than enough exposure. There's no need for any more popularity.
>>156835603
Funimation is dead so Amazon.
>>156835590
golly I hope the Chads don't ruin our precious animu
>>156835223
>tfw I am mop incarnate
I always knew this was the case but now I have a face to give the name, so to speak
thanks, anon
>>156835507
Not an argument
>>156835520
>buying overpriced DVDs that cost more than a Western series boxset
Nah
>>156835619
Too bad that the Japanese anime industry wants to expand into China and the rest of the world because of money.
Reminder that the best way to support the anime industry is to help subsidize housing for their slaves
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/2016-animator-dorm-project-by-animator-supporters-japan-animation#/
>>156835597
CR puts their streams out for free on the internet. It's not my fault people rip them.
>>156835609
That's fine. Don't pay for fucking CR though.
>>156835603
>So what's worse, Shit, Shit, or Shit?
>>156835597
I'm not justifying shit, in case you can't read.
If you want to support the industry, then just buy import japanese plastic. Don't throw your money at a western company, fucktard.
>>156834272
>>156834670
>>156835393
>Self loathing weeaboos
God, your kind is truly the worst.
>>156835711
That last part was also meant for >>156835646
>>156830848
>west
Are Americans aware of the fact they're not the only country in the world ? Is it not enough to hog the name America to yourself, you must associate the whole West with your shitty country ?
>>156835721
Nice false binary. I do buy merch and other things. Supporting the industry is separate from paying for the Crunchyroll service that indirectly benefits me.
>>156835690
No. More animators should die from overwork and living like shit. The rest who survived till then should then be laid off after new software makes them superfluous.
>>156835590
>>156834756
Most /a/utists are detached from reality so they have no idea how popular anime actually is
>>156835662
It could be worse desu.
Correct me if i'm wrong but as someone who doesn't want to buy merch or bluerays it seems like the only viable way to support the industry that i enjoy so much.
>>156835218
I pay the actual creators and import the actual product instead, I don't support the middle man jew ez pz
Look at these dubs, my nigga.
>>156835818
You are supporting Western Jews, not studios
>>156830848
Terrible platform.
For years just ripped subs from places like dattebayo and hardcoded them onto the raws.
Beaten by pure ad revenue sites like Kissanime in terms of quality (before it went to shit).
Doesn't have old series.
Literally caused the mass collapse of ALOT of fansubs by chasing them with unwarranted C&Ds for years.
They are fucking scum. I'd rather support the illegal sites than them.
>>156835818
How much of your subscription do you think goes to content creators and how much do you think goes to crunchy?
Serious question
>>156835765
You aren't any different from murricans.
>>156835765
West does not mean just USA
>>156835830
Must be nice not to have to remember a time when fansubs were literally all we had, so we had to wait days or even weeks after airing and constantly worried that a group would drop a show that we were enjoying.
>>156835765
You do realize over 80% of the people on 4chan are American, right?
>>156835765
The amerigringos are the largest non-chink market for anime after all, surpassing the yuropoors by a wide margin. At least the yuropoors at least still surpass the SEA-niggers.
But I predict that the SEA-shits will surpass the yuropoors within a decade.
>>156835818
>as someone who doesn't want to buy merch or bluerays
So you don't want to support anime industry, also amazon have digital versions of manga buy these.
>>156835830
>I pay the actual creators and import the actual product instead
In most cases, profits from merch goes to the production studios who bankroll it. You're always paying the middleman jews, its how the economy works
>>156835164
Still better than only one group (CR) translating and still managing to get the lines wrong.
Throw a homer.
>>156835920
just learned Japanese instead dude.
>>156835877
The content creators get paid upfront, all high sales from any medium does is make them more likely to get funding for new series
>>156835920
>tfw the group dropped the show you enjoyed because their TL hated the show and decide to translate something else
>>156835962
>80% of the people on 4chan are American
Hahaha
Source?
>>156835590
>>156835920
>look at my oldfaggotry
>still an EOP though
If you hypocrites want to support the anime studios, you actually have to buy shitty merchandise like keychains and rubber straps from their studio websites, not the high-quality merchandise from the sponsors who financed the anime.
So, don't buy nendos (you'll give money to Good Smile Company), buy shitty erasers from Studio Gokumi.
>>156835846
>>156835877
well i don't know the specifics of it, but I'd assume they'd get a decent cut. Oh well, I like watching anime but not enough to pay like 40 bucks for a fucking dvd or buy figurines or some shit, however i will pay a small fee for a subscription service. Until something better comes along or unless there is a better option....?
>>156835962
Literally go to any board with flags and get completely proven wrong.
>>156835920
>being this EOP
>>156835966
Nope, France and Germany are far ahead of America in terms of manga and anime.
>>156836044
power trips are great desu
>>156835962
>80% American
Not even close.
US Americans are the largest group, but not even the majority.
>>156835981
>In most cases, profits from merch goes to the production studios who bankroll it. You're always paying the middleman jews
No you're paying THE jews who decide what should be made not a middleman jew.
>>156836089
>not collecting erasers and bookmarks
>>156835590
>>156836064
>weeaboo betas getting cucked out of their own hobby
Poetic
>>156836137
Page 6 of the Anime Report 2016 says Burgers are better than Krauts and Frogs.
>>156836089
It's pretty variable depending on who actually owns the rights. I'm pretty sure KyoAni owns all of their shit, so any official merch you buy will go to their pockets.
But yes, be careful who you buy from.
>>156835852
>Terrible platform.
Name a better platform that's not illegal.
>For years just ripped subs from places like dattebayo and hardcoded them onto the raws.
It doesn't matter, because they don't rely onmadeup fansubs anymore. Get with the times.
>Beaten by pure ad revenue sites like Kissanime in terms of quality (before it went to shit).
And those sites are illegal. Try again.
>Doesn't have old series.
And? You can watch those if you buy the DVDs for it. Not everyone is stuck in the past, and a lot of people want to watch their name on the same decade it's released.
>Literally caused the mass collapse of ALOT of fansubs by chasing them with unwarranted C&Ds for years.
Not my fault all of those fansubs were translating stuff that was already licensed.
>They are fucking scum. I'd rather support the illegal sites than them.
This speaks tons, not just about you, but about the people who still refuse to give CR a try.
>>156835800
I see maybe one person a week wearing something anime related at my uni
everyone else I know that watches anime has personally told me after I knew them for a bit
>>156832496
BS. Fansub groups were constantly imploding due to drama and and leaving you wondering if it would ever get subbed.
>>156836228
*pottery>>>/v/
>>156834408
You say that but sites like Hokuto No Gun did it on series that don't get picked up. I wish Spinyback had their release morals and upload rate. So many niche series that are currently in translation hell that need new fansubs and translations.
>>156836342That's a /tv/ meme
>>156831260
I've had Amazon Prime for 3 fucking years and the only anime available is Rozen Maiden and fucking Korra
>>156835903
That's my point. Americans in /a/ like this retard >>156835962 still legit believe they're a huge majority here and a huge majority of the customers. It might be true for anime but Europe definitely is bigger for manga, with France alone being a bigger market. Yet >>156835966 >>156835883 somehow still believe Euros are just a dependency of the US and that our market is completely dependent from theirs, with the same shows, companies translating and tastes.
It baffles me that burgers still believe they're the most important after Japan and that the rest is irrelevant, you would think that after after /spa/ they would've realized their a minority, with just as many spics and euros here.
>wondering why your show didn't get new episode subbed for almost 3 weeks
>visit group side
>our translator is missing guise
Never again.
>Name a better platform that's not illegal.
(YOU)
>people still prefer fansubs over OFFICIAL subs
I'll stick to the subs that the original creators intended, thanks
>>156836398
>Euros
Nah, you're still a fucking burger. Just like how you're still an EOP even if you know 10 other irrelevant languages.
Kill yourself.
>>156836285
>Name a better platform that's not illegal.
Japanese TV channels.
>>156836517
>Amerifat is this mad
Never change
Would you pay $20 for a direct download of a single-cour series?
>paying for shit quality streams when you can find shit quality streams of new shit on youtube or anywhere else for free
literal KEKs
>>156836553
Only if it's 10-bit
>>156836517
>Euro
>you're still a fucking burger
???
Are Americans this retarded ?
>>156836548
Holy shit, look at this retard.
Not even a week after Nyaa died and people are already shilling for CR subs here, huh?
>>156830848
>west
>WEST
HAH
>>156836553
You need more info. Am I getting BD quality, proper subs?
Cause if so I probably would yes, but only after pirating the series first.
>>156836405
>Busy with class ;)
>Last post 2 years ago
>>156831534
You werent Mexican.
Literally our only gripe was single sub ransom by fucking spaniards, in that case we prefered to go gringo than read spaniard subs.
>>156836607
Top retort
>>156836265
No, it doesn't.
>>156836530
>wanting to watch regional nip tv channel shit
The future is AbemaTV, Gyao! and Google Play.
>>156836553
Sounds fair
>>156836633
>3 weeks missing
>he finally come back
>just to tell everyone that he want to quit the group
>>156836626
Stop spamming
>>156836672
>that huge spike in 2015
Wait, what was the cause of that?
>>156830848
>west
hahahahahahaha
>>156836633
>life is weird right now
>also, fuck aggregation sites
>DM me if you want a link to <content removed>
>>156836773
Stop spamming
>>156836742
Communist China Companies buy nip cartoons for Communist Chinese Children.
>>156835590
>>156836064
>muh sekrit klub
Like clockwork.
>>156836601
>>156836642
>still doesn't get it
This is why you will always be the same as americans.
>>156836285
>Name a better platform that's not illegal.
Some of my BD come with subs and these are usually pretty good, but Sunrise pay actual translators not some butthurt tranny weeb.
>>156836811
>communist jews in Hollywood try to steal nip cartoons
>communist chinese also try to steal nip cartoons
Why can't all of these damn commies just fuck off?
>>156836846
What are you even trying to say idiot
>west
What did he mean by this?
>>156830848
It's just a streaming site. Either use it or don't, who gives a fuck.
The only time I felt annoyed at them, was when they had that meme loving little shit translate Gabriel Dropout. Otherwise, I don't spend my time thinking about them.
>>156836672
>antartica
>>156836867
The Communist Chinese Country is just pretending to be communist. They've been capitalist all along.
>>156836915
I know that, but I like to insult people by calling them commies.
>>156836895
Thank you for proving my point.
>>156836909
There's probably a military base in the South Pole that has bought an anime license so that the soldiers and scientists making experiments on ice cubes and frozen shapeshifting ayy lmaos don't get bored to heck.
>>156836906
>It's just a streaming site.
Exactly. And streaming is shit.
>That translation
>""""""High quality subs""""""
>>156836946
>insult people by calling them commies
I have never felt bad for being called a commie until those fucking fascists started rioting about race and "equality"
>>156837043
If you are unironically a communist, you should commit suicide.
>>156837009
I wonder if those soldier/scientist argue about the best girl instead of doing their job and they decide to never bring anymore anime over there.
>>156837093
I'm unironically leftist when it comes to education systems
not sure if that's truly communist
I couldn't give a shit about the rest though
>>156837021
Then don't use it? Why spend time being angry at them?
>>156837124
They probably argued about which girl is better, forgot to check upon the Thing From Another World who shapeshifted into a polar bear and started eating all of them, which is why they stopped importing more animu.
>>156833605
>If you're confused by Japanese concepts
>"Glorious Nippon strong and pure hearted rest of world jealous!"
There's nothing to get confused by.
>>156836636
Same here happens to me with pretty much everything anime, manga or sadpanda. I rather read everything in english forever than stumble upon a single one (mex/argie/etc) localism that I'm not native of.
>>156836957
You didn't have any
>>156836902
Stop
i used to only XDCC my anime but in recent years it's become a lot more viable to stream. connection speed and upload quality are all improving, streaming sites are picking up episodes as soon as they're subbed, and adblocking/noscript keeps everything under control. crunchyroll may be shit on all those categories, but it's definitely a driving force that has benefited me at the very least
>>156835581
Netflix/CR and Steam
>>156830848
It renewed interest in anime as far as the US, Canada and, the UK is concerned.
>>156830848
>free to watch on tv in japan
>pay to watch it in west
>no, they won't dub it first, that's too much effort
>>156838334
Depends on which channel it can be viewed in Japan.
The nips also are starting to pay for watching anime one their nip streaming services instead of watching it on nip TV.
Crunchyroll can't translate a conversation into something that sounds human.
>>156838495
Crunchyroll just wants lgbt-bux.
>>156838334
>Free to stay up until 2am to watch in Japan
Japan wishes it could use Crunchy
>>156834670
What the fuck man, that's not what a normalfag is.
>>156838674
>using gaijin streaming services
wwwww
>>156833447
>americans are so dumb they can't wrap their heads around another language's idioms and contexts.
>better change everything away from their original meaning so they can understand
wew lad
>Unathorised copying
>Illegal
I'm always sad that people that actually think this are among us.
>>156838865
It is illegal though
>>156838674
>being THIS much tech illiterate
Nobody does that because you can just record it.
>>156839149
I rest my case.
>>156839149
Depends on your country.
>>156839302
That's only if they know about the show in the first place and set up their dvd recorders. Nowadays, even the nips just use streams.
>most anime is in 720p but muh torrents
>>156839415
You set it up for everything(literally 5min of work) and watch whatever people talk about.
>dvd recorders
HAHAHA really? What else mate, VHS tapes?
>>156830848
They need to fire few translators (that one from Gabriel Dropout, Himouto, Sakura Quest etc), use honorifics in all series, use full names and nicknames (Souma, not Soma) and everything will be fine.
There is no alternative to CR anyway. Every other official subami are much worse.
>>156839324
For the majority of /a/ it's illegal
>>156838334
>dubbing anime
Hit yourself in your empty Murican head.
If you use Crunchyroll, you need to DIE
>>156839640
Depends on copyright. For example, downloading CR rips is probably not illegal in the US.
>>156839556
>honorifics
There is literally no reason to arbitrarily decide to randomly use Jap in certain points. Learn Nip and watch it unsubbed if thats what you want
>Not just learning Japanese, moving to Japan, and watch anime on television there like it was originally intended.
And yet you fags call yourselves anime fans. It's disgusting.
>>156836371
It's not a part of prime for some utterly retarded reason
>>156839826
>Concept of honorifics is completely lost to the dishonorable respectless cunts that are americans
>"There is literally no reason to use honorifics"
No, you triple nigger, honorifics exist for a purpose and putting them in the subs is fine.
they are directly responsible for the death of fansubbing, so i'm inclined to say that they ruined it.
>>156830848
How come they never do OVAs? It's the one thing I really hate about them.
>>156839859
Why would anybody waste their time learning nippongo-mongo? Globalization has helped me spend my time productively funposting on 4chan while watching anime that is being translated within one or two days, allowing me to still talk about it with other nerds on /a/.
>>156839826
Consider it as a part of name. Honorifics are not something which you can throw away. Why you watch JAPANESE animation if you can't afford the different culture? Go watch western series if you want western things.
And you are using tons of abbreviations in your daily life. Localization is a work for brainless people (translation and localization are 2 different things btw).
>>156840074
>being an EOP
>>156839904
>>156840075
Do you think honorifics are the only Jap concept that dont have an exact translation in English? Of course they aren't, you just dont notice when translators substitutes them except in the case of honourifics, because you're arrogant enough to think you know shit about Japanese by knowing what kun means.
>>156840027
>Being this dumb and uninformed.
Hello, newfag.
>>156840027
Licensing is completely different for OVAs, they usually come bundled with manga or light novels or whatever
>>156840211
Eat your burger, Apollo.
>>156840074
>Why would anybody waste their time learning nippongo-mongo?
Have you ever considered that some people might find the process of language learning enjoyable? Or some people wanting to indulge in (forever)untranslated media?
>>156830848
Ruined everything
Fansubs were comfy
>>156840147
>EOP
What the fuck does this even mean?
>>156840211
>Do you think honorifics are the only Jap concept that dont have an exact translation in English?
No, I don't.
>you just dont notice when translators substitutes them except in the case of honourifics
Thing is, I do. But that's not what we were talking about.
The point is that they serve a purpose, and that they can't properly be translated or substituted without making the subs read fucking stupidly (Hello my sister shizune / hello teacher kazuma).
Maybe we should just kill english and add a honorifics system to it.
>>156840302
>Fansubs were comfy
You know this is a lie.
>>156840147
Life is too short to waste on the language of inferior cultures that were subjugated and had to adopt their conqueror's culture. Being part of the world hegemon feels good.
Who knows, perhaps the Tech-firms like Apple and Google will create man-machine interface that allows me to read Swahili and understand it in English in my lifetime. And if not, no biggie.
>>156836371
Korra is not an anime you retard
>>156830848
Which anime titles are they funding this season?
>>156840316
>What the fuck does this even mean?
You can't even guess? Come on.
>>156840325
>calling their culture inferior while shitposting on a board dedicated to eleven cartoons
You need to get your priorities straightened out.
>>156840211
You can't just replace Japanese politeness system with any western equivalent without losing a huge amount of meaning, potential jokes and closeness.
And why should you do it anyway. It's Japanese medium.
I can agree with you if action is set in western country. Using honorifics in this case is dumb. The problem is that 90% of stories are set in Japan. Fictional or not but still In Japan. Why would you use western politeness system for this? It's dumb.
>>156840335
you should engage the content of the message rather than stupid semantics
>>156840397
english only posters? i have no fucking clue, seems opposite of ESL
>>156840408
>Why would you use western politeness system for this? It's dumb.
Why would you use western writing system for this? It's dumb.
>>156840408
>You can't just replace Japanese politeness system with any western equivalent without losing a huge amount of meaning, potential jokes and closeness.
The job of a translator is to convey it through context. Just like they do in every other part of speaking and wordplay that doesn't translate (which is a ton)
>Why would you use western politeness system for this?
Because they're meant to be writing subs in English, not garbled weeb english
>>156840462
This is literally the most idiotic argument which you can pick. Try harder Herkz/Diaz/whoever from memecartel you are.
>>156830848
Saved it by ruining it and vice versa
>>156840548
I'm sorry I don't agree with your retarded opinion.
>>156840510
Contextual translations = shit translations for people with very low IQ.
>>156835556
I dont get why miles thinks that having 40+ shows every season is good thing
>>156840611
I dont know the argument, but why wouldn't it be? The majority of anything is always trash, more anime means more chances to hit on a rare good show
>>156833444
Flash is fine if used properly
Look at youtube's flash player(you have to add &nohtml5=1 to a URL) it's just fine and better than their garbage html5 player
>>156830848
Saved anime but anyone who uses it is a sheep. There is literally no reason to use it when you can watch 720p on other, trashier-looking sites for free.
>>156840397
So? The French talked about Japanese culture because it was interesting and exotic in the 19th century, and they're still hon-hon-hon-baguette-de-fromage.
I like to consume Euro-comics and cartoons and Nipponimation and Nippondrawings, I play Korean MMORPGs where you can make some supermodel waifus in their character generator with billions of options, and I fap to Russian lesbian porn. Doesn't mean that I need to learn the languages of those countries, thanks to everything being translated into English.
>>156834046
Honestly, anime doesn't deserve fansubs anymore
Modern anime is such soulless shit so why should people care about subbing them
>>156840791
>Le born in the wrong generation
>>156840791
Normalfags should stay quiet.
>>156840791
Funny, cause that's exactly how I think of the old anime.
>>156840791
Fuck off CR shill
>>156836906
The majority of translations on CR are pretty good, but some are bound to slip through the cracks.
The real problem with CR is the low quality bitrate used to keep server costs down. It's not like the server costs were that high, they just wanted to reduce any overheads they had at all, at the cost of the people who use the service.
>>156830848
Honestly i don't give a shit about this CR if they want they can stream if they don't want they don't have to just do not fuck up with fan translator and it will be ok.
>>156840791
You obviously don't remember the shitload of terrible series in years >2000?
Nah. Evangelion, LoGH, Lain!!!!!!!! !1!!1 The only series which were produced in past. Dude, watch more anime and stop being a complete idiot.
>>156840712
>everything being translated into English
Wrong.
>>156840316
>What the fuck does this even mean?
English Only Plebeian. Also known as "American."
>anime in the west during the 90s
>was something personal, it was like buying drugs since you had to go through some tough complicated bullshit just to pirate your anime
>often times make a few connections with other people with similar interests simply due to the sheer fact that you had to go out of your way just to get your hands on this shit
>anime in the west during 2000 - 2005
>advances in computer tech and the internet becoming more widely accessible allowed for broader connections with more people and made acquiring anime that much easier
>forums littered with discussion
>everything still felt like a seekrit klub considering the fact that the internet at that time was archaic and the fascination with anime in the west is still very niche
>anime cons were more like get-togethers and still felt very "personal"
>anime in the west during 2006 - 2009
>the pinnacle of anime's influence on the west.
>a growing 4chan attracted many to discuss and have fun with their favorite shows. 4chan at this time was still very "seekrit klub" esque and those who frequented the site felt a personal connection to their anonymous peers
>reaching 2009 anime continues to grow in popularity while 4chan continues to garner mass attention to outsiders thus attracting more people
>anime in the west during 2010 - present day
>anime and the internet continues to grow in popularity
>the advent of Crunchyroll and Netflix means that the west has acquired a means of capitalizing on anime over for the western audience
>anime gets so popular it's noticeably becoming more 'normie'
>anime conventions now more like "buy shit for more bucks than if one were to buy the same item online while you take pictures of people in costumes" as the social gathering aspect has become lost among most people. No longer feels "personal"
>sure since anime is popular you have more people to discuss anime with, but nowadays people see it more as just another piece of entertainment instead of a personal adventure
>>156838495
>Translators who don't have to clear their translations with the dumb studios who only understand engrish produce better subs
In other news, water is wet.
>>156836299
>everyone else I know that watches anime has personally told me after I knew them for a bit
Those are the ones with common sense.
There are even some who will likely never tell you no matter how long you've known them.
>>156841094
Everything I ever need and more.
>>156841243
Enjoy being an EOP then.
>>156841115
>corporate manages to get their grubby jew hands onto something to make profit
>it no longer feels personal
who'd've thunk it
>>156841276
I do, hombre.
>>156841276
is being able to fluently read french good enough to get 95% of nipshit
because fuck learning a memelanguage like nip for cartoons and comic books
>>156841344
I doubt it unless obscure manga and VNs get translated to French.
>>156841473
It gets translated into Chinese or Korean, and those then get translated into some westerner language, which in turn gets translated into English.
And it's all for free.
>>156840586
I'm learning Japanese for 5 years, I'm rarely watching anime nowadays, rather reading the manga. But I will always defend using honorifics in translations. It's something which you can't just replace.
Burgers (I'm not talking about all American people of course, being a 'burger' is a state of mind and it's just an indicator of being dumb, xenophobic and unable to learn new things) can't understand it.
>>156837857
Honest anon.
>>156836852
Always find it weird that some Jap DVD/Blu-ray's have english subtitles in them
If only all of them did
>>156841344
If it isn't translated to English it isn't translated at all
>>156836510
>I'll stick to the subs that the original creators intended
Crunchyroll is literally the McDonalds of anime distribution
fansubbing is like your local burger joint
you have to pay a subscription fee just to watch anime that isn't encoded properly and sometimes not even translated right. Sure you're still getting your anime but dig a little deeper and you'll find that the people providing doesn't really give two shits and just wants your money. The corporate sterilization is so noticeable you'd have to be fucking stupid not to see it
fansubbing and people who go out of their way just to rip anime and upload it online does a better fucking job
Mods clearly have their priorities straight.
>>156841584
I really, really doubt that. Most manga definitely never gets translated.
>>156841589
Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. I'm xenophobic as fuck, but I prefer honorifics being in.
>>156836530
>In 20 years we'll be able to upload Jap Language directly into our brains Matrix-style
Goodbye subtitles
>>156835479
>mfw us pirates get a higher bitrate on our anime than you pay fags
How does it feel knowing CR is screwing you over?
>>156841743
>not just uploading burger language into the brains of Jap animators
You win by making them your bitches, instead of being a bitch and uploading their language into your brain.
>>156841743
>20 years
lol
>>156841860
>upload burger into Jap brains
>anime because generic western trash instead of generic otaku trash
No thanks
>>156841765
Where did I mention that I'm a CR user? Also HR is the same as CR, they just rip it so you have the same bitrate (and subs) as CR users, retard
>>156840441
It's a Fakenime
>>156841939
Everyone will be forced to think like burgers. Anyone who doesn't will be branded a criminal and a heretic. Those who will be caught will be forcibly burgerized.
The new world burger order will ensure a new era of peace.
>>156838612
Its amazing how they try push whole diversive like japs actually think that when they make these shows
>>156842167
But anon, I don't want to eat 5 big macs a day.
>>156841657
This is not true
The french market has way more translated manga
>>156842287
Don't worry. There will be a healthy veggie-burger with quorn instead of meat among the five big macs.
We gotta think of the animals after all.
>>156841860
Nobody cares about your inferiority complex
>>156840669
We dont need that much shows in season. 15 or 20 was fine
>>156842084
>they just rip it so you have the same bitrate (and subs) as CR users
Did you learn nothing from that 90mb per HD video shit few months ago?
>>156842495
Huehues, please go and stay go on /jp/.
>>156842531
Are you literally brain dead? CR reduced quality and HR had the same shit quality, because HR is literally just a rip from CR, it's not hard to understand
>>156840832
>>156840836
>>156840906
>le k-on and dragon maid is pinnacle of anime
Fuck off
>>156830848
Fuck off with your crunchy shit shilling.
>>156842501
For the producers, quantity is a quality on its own.
More anime being made means that they can sell more license packages that licensees must buy if they want that one anime. That means more profit for the nip producers.
>>156842725
Dragon Maid is the pinnacle of anime though.
>>156842674
>and HR had the same shit quality
No they didn't, initially their ripper get wrong video but after fixing it they had better quality than CR stream.
>>156842753
Well i guess you are right.
>>156842501
>We dont need that much shows in season. 15 or 20 was fine
You're talking like we have to watch every single show. Double the shows means double the chances for a show to be good. There is 0 downside to the consumer unless they're an autist who can't ignore bad anime
>>156841673
It's funny how people are starting to have nostalgia for fansubbers now
>>156842773
t. Digi
>>156842851
There's limited time and resources. I'd rather studios concentrate on a few quality shows than be spread thin over mediocre stuff.
>>156842919
>Less shows means studios would suddenly spend more on them
0 evidence of this, if there was, average anime budgets (adjusted for inflation) would have been higher back when there was fewer shows
>>156842725
fuck off >>>/v/
>>156842851
>There is 0 downside to the consumer unless they're an autist who can't ignore bad anime
Unless you know one studio is working on 3 anime in one season and your favorite suffer because of this.
>>156843129
>butthurt moeshitter
Like clockwork
>>156843168
If they made less anime, the studio would be smaller and less profitable. You can't subtract two of those shows and then pretend the 3rd show would make enough money to cover the cost of all the extra budget
>>156830848
Who cares desu? Let normies have their thing
>>156842919
There's more studios around than before, but the budget is still the same. In fact, the bigger studios can produce 10 times as many anime shows by hiring lesser anime studios to work on the tedious but less important parts of an anime.
And since almost all the anime studios are in a socialist pact looking out for each another, they want it to be like that, so that they can keep their lesser peers alive.
Of course, this is all a tactic that is being exploited by the producers as well. They can keep costs low, because the animation studios have to take any offer they can, making few profits because they must employ the starving studios to help them out. But since all the animators are paid like shit, they need more work, and thus the studios must take any offer from the producers.
It's good to be a fat capitalistic nip producer-pig dog, shitting and pissing on the commie nip workers.
>>156842801
>.
So you're just pretending to be retarded? Can't believe I got baited
>>156843060
Korean outsourcing.
>>156843383
>hiring lesser anime studios to work on the tedious but less important parts of an anime
Yeah that's what I mean.
>>156843260
It's not about budget but scheduling and production, if small studio like Silver Link is doing 3 shows in one season you need to be deluded to believe it won't affect anime quality regardless how much money you'll throw at them, even fucking Sunrise have problems with 3 shows in one season, and most of studios are small so even 2 shows are often too much for them.
>>156830848
I don't feel strongly about either of those options as I don't stream anime, if anything I guess they've made it even easier and faster to obtain anime thanks to them and HorribleSubs rips, there's still some other subgroups going and tons of different fansubs for stuff that aired over 10 years ago to pick and choose from, at least subbing is more reliable now, I just wish they'd take translations more seriously as they'll become 4kids tier eventually, maybe that's their master plan I dunno.
>>156843320
Why can you stop your piracy?
Are you so poor?
Nips are laughing at you.
>streaming
>available to normies
it killed.
>>156843789
Otaku animators exist to be exploited. They're only making otaku garbage that otaku will pay for.
>>156843789
>if small studio like Silver Link is doing 3 shows in one season you need to be deluded to believe it won't affect anime quality
And you're ignorant to not comprehend how much not doing 3 would affect revenue. TV anime is almost always produced on a razors edge, if they did less shows, you can be damn well sure they'd just can all the extra animators
>>156843864
そうだ ね
>>156844126
Nobody is disputing profit margins nigger. The point is that producing a lot of shows can impact the overall quality.
Even though most of chink and japs use streaming.
>>156843864
do you really think there's difference between piracy and a place where you pay $7 for EVERYTHING. How much do you think Crunchyroll pays to any party included? It can't be much really.
>>156843864
Most of nyaa traffic comes from japan.
https://www.similarweb.com/website/nyaa.se
>>156844214
Proof?
>>156844182
Once again, they would make it as cheaply and quickly as they can, regardless of quality if they made less shows. They would not have the extra resources available if they made less showws
>>156844310
Elevens BTFO
>>156844182
It's literally the studios own fault. They all refuse to downsize and to let the smaller studios die.
Probably something to do with their whole mentality that the boss is responsible for his underlings.
Just like a sarariman can expect to get a pension, a wife and a house provided by his company for his loyality, the smaller studios can expect to get some inbetween money from their parent companies and connections to the producers who give them all a job.
It's a trickle-down effect.
>>156844423
Why are you so dense? Nobody is disputing that they would seek to maximizing profits. Duh. The point is that I would prefer if a studio would focus on a few shows instead of risking being spread to thin doing a lot of shows. Yes, that practice would most likely hurt their bottomline. Yes, if a studio did less shows, they'd likely lay off/fire people to do it cheaper. That's not the point.
>>156844285
Crunchyroll pays license money. That's more money than the nips ever get from all the gaijin buyfaggers who import directly from Japan.
In fact, Crunchyroll is profitable enough that they muscled their way into becoming co-sponsors of some anime shows.
Apparently, Crunchyroll is for example part of the production committee of Kemono Friends.
>>156844665
>That's more money than the nips ever get from all the gaijin buyfaggers who import directly from Japan.
That one I doubt. I've spent quite a hefty penny on some stuff. Even if there's not a lot of gaijin buyfaggers, I'm sure their overall contribution is more than whatever pittance studios get from CR.
>>156844310
>Most of nyaa traffic comes from Chink and gook in Japan.
KEK
>>156844310
Are Nip torrent sites even a thing?
It's sad that they have to rely on gaijin websites
>>156844646
You aren't getting it. Studios use money, time and people to make shows. Studios become stretched when these assets are being spread too thin. They are stretched thin because profit margins on each anime series is so low. Studios are only as big as needed to make as many shows as they do each series.If they made less shows, they would downsize all of those assets and be stretched just as thin
>>156844875
Being stretched too thing in terms of losing profit is not at all equivalent to being stretched too in terms of sacrificing quality. I'm talking about the latter.
>>156844776
Crunchyroll pays licenses for probably at least 30 to 40 shows each season, and each show is probably 5k dollars per episode at least. During the bidding war with Funimation for My Hero Academia, they were going to pay more than a 100k dollar per episode.
This is super-reliable money for the producers who own the rights to sell the licenses overseas.
And those producers are practically always the same companies.
>>156844826
They scared shitless of their own government will send police and arrest them on their apartment complex room, then again if most gaijin do all the dirty jobs why would they do that in the first place anyway.
>>156844939
>>156844939
>If they made less shows, they would downsize all of those assets and be stretched just as thin
Yes, I fucking know that. I said that in my previous post. The point is that I would prefer NOT doing that.
>>156844976
>During the bidding war with Funimation for My Hero Academia, they were going to pay more than a 100k dollar per episode.
Source?
>>156844310
>>156844461
Do you guess Japanese people would do such charitable works for baka gaijins?
Where is the fastest scanlantion lang country in 4chan?
Stop pretending not knowing.
>>156844939
Quality is totally tied to profit, it's proportional to how much resources are put in to anime. Making less anime wouldnt suddenly make the series you do make make more money and ergo be worth more investment
>>156844987
>The point is that I would prefer NOT doing that.
So instead of studios making less shows, you actually want the shows to make more money
Ruined everything. A scam. Any braindead retard that uses Crunchyroll should be thrown out a ten story window.
>>156833946
But it is a bad thing. Look at all the other mainstream culture, it always goes to shit.
>>156845040
Some ANN answerman article regarding the partnership between Funimation and Crunchyroll.
>>156845073
No, this is total nonsense. The quality of the show has absolutely nothing to do with the potential profit. Plenty of good shows are flops that make no money and plenty of huge, profitable shows are garbage.
I would prefer studios focus their limited resources to make a few quality shows that don't outsource to talentless gooks instead of maximizing profit because those two actions are certainly not equivalent.
>muh download
>720p
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>156844285
The subscription payment is shared for only the shows you watch so how much they get from a single viewer varies.
>>156844826
Don't worry.
Most form chink and gook.
>>156845073
Nah, in that regard, it's quite clear that some studios are really utterly shit at managing their workforce efficiently if they have to work on several projects at the same time.
The Bones sub-studio responsible for Bungou Stray Dogs and Show By Rock!! season 2 for example put all its efforts into Bungou Stray Dogs (looked good), and had manpower problems with SB69# (looked like garbage).
>>156835520
>BDs and Merch.
>Keijo and flip flappers were massively popular on /a/
>Both sold like shit.
>>156845547
I wonder if more people here who actually buy things buy more BDs or merch. I definitely go for the latter more, judging by the buyfag threads it's probably the same.
>>156845547
>Both shows on CR
>Huge chunk of /a/ uses CR
>Still failed
Have you considered that maybe this is just a general lack of interest and returns, and not the fault of Westerners?
We're getting more subbed anime than before thanks to Crunchy. There was only so many shows that fansubbers could work on, so it's great that Crunchy is able to introduce such a wide variety of shows. Fansubbers are obsolete.
>>156846497
>There was only so many shows that fansubbers could work on
They could have worked on more if a half dozen groups each season hadn't fought over the flavour of month most hyped show
>>156846497
I know, right? And I can't believe it's all being offered for the incredible low price of $6.99* a month!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtvg_iErL0
>>156831308
>>156830886
Why the hate for streaming?
Why does no one talk about FUNimation(tm)? They're literally doing 17 dubs with actual HD streams (no TV streams like CR). Do you know how much work that is?
wtf is Crunchyroll doing? sitting on their asses with their decade old stream engine while beaurocrats buy liscences?
>>156847230
Funimation has a partnership with CR, that's why Bebop is on there
>>156834512
>something becomes popular
>executives change it to appeal to a broader audience now it makes them more money
>dumbs down or makes it shittier
Giving in to normalfags will always ruin something
Can someone explain where are the mods?
>>156832496
stop bullshiting. fansub groups were constanting fighting each other because of ePenis strokes. there was fights because of a single line that meant the same shit but were worded different.
>>156847611
This, it's baffling to me that there are people on here who can't put 2 and 2 together and realize that this always happens
>>156847755
They don't understand it because they're normalfags.
>>156833946
>mainstream
Yes, and popularized cancerous weaboos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHXPpKi4Ak
>>156830848
Fast with decent subs and very easy to put them on BD raws.
>>156847853
Why the fuck are there so many anime reaction channels now? How are they not getting DMCA'd for this shit?
>>156848087
A better question is why do people even give them views?
>>156848134
As for everything wrong with this world /v/ is to blame.
>>156839826
>no reason
It provides context to their relationship to each other based on the honorifics they use
>>156849123
Yeah, languages have certain unique quirks that dont translate over exactly to others. But people only ever call for honourifics to be left untranslated
Any IRCfags care to help me out?
http://intel.haruhichan.com/ I take it this is outdated? Just tried to download Mahoromatic and it gave me Ikkitousen. Where does everyone get their packs?
>>156848629
This is what happens when every kid has access to a smartphone or tablet from birth.
>>156849285
https://nibl.co.uk/bots.php
>>156836371
Where are you anon ? They have anime attack in US. I live in UK and we have some, my favorite would be the dictionary making and re:creators. Most popular one is Kabaneri. Normie watch it
>>156840441
>you should engage the content of the message rather than stupid semantics
No you fucking retard, an American made cartoon written in English with slight anime influences is not an anime, plain and simple.
>>156837733
He does! Look:
.
Helped what didn't need saving, anime was at the time was only through television programming,06-08 paved the way for streaming other sites that's used crunchy rolls sub's while finding anime on pub shit like YouTube was a bitch. Then you had blockbuster and looking for cool stuff like ninja scroll,devilman and a lot of old hentai porn.
>>156840335
The fuck? How the hell do you not know Korra No Densetsu is from Japan?
>>156849921
But can she take the knot?
>>156847659
This is the shilling thread, feel free to advertise your products
>>156831534
if your show was any remotely popular and watchable, there were always people willing to translate it and some were really dedicated to their craft
the fansubbing died out due to crunchyroll being available. and they don't love the series as much as the dedicated subbers, they will take shortcuts, only deliver censored material, replace japanese trivia with reddit memes, and in general miss the point trying to be too funny and creative (looking at you, Gabriel Dropout)
fortunately there's not much of gatekeeping from more political uncorrect material due to pirates and subbers always be there to pickup where they fail, but if ripper and torrent websites keep disappearing, who knows?
Anime being popular in the West is not a good thing.
>>156850426
>replace japanese trivia with reddit memes, and in general miss the point trying to be too funny and creative (looking at you, Gabriel Dropout)
>Fansubs werent rife with memes and people trying to be funny
Spot the cruchybaby
This person doesn't know anything about translation: >>156840408
This person does: >>156840510
>>156850777
>he watched commie
>>156850902
>Commie is the oldest subgroup he knows
Crunchybaby go home
>>156835021
actually no. there's a reason why the story of bands are divided between member X was in it/member X leaves the band or before mainstream/after mainstream. the whole beat of the music can change making people really upset and hate the new direction. that happens all the time. the more mainstream a band tends to get (in most cases) the more reused popular beats are used by them. for people that can notice those types of melodiesit makes them mad as fuck
>>156850642
I hope all you pedos end in jail
>>156851171
Just claim to be a minority and they'll get away with it
Perfect example of why bringing anime to the West was a mistake: >>156851171
Always remember that CR saved anime by making it more popular in the west, thus spawning more and more anime fans and giving it recognition.
That in turn, spawning all the cringy shit we have today.
So it's a love hate relationship.
But don't be autistic about it nor watch it's shitty streams.
>>156837225
Because thanks to them fansubbing is basically dead and will be within 2 years fucking tops. Hell within a year it'll just be Herkz by himself doing whatever gay sports anime he likes and that's it.
>>156851313
>Always remember that CR saved anime by making it more popular in the west, thus spawning more and more anime fans and giving it recognition.
That's not a good thing. Fucking normies need to fuck off.
>>156848134
Underages weaboos
>>156850842
>>156840408 is how translating should be.
>>156840510 is called localization.
Just because you've been localizing since forever because you're all fucking retards, doesn't mean that it does not need change.
>>156851313
I have no love for CR.
>>156851307
Cry more pedo
I have watched anime for 10 years and always hated you
>>156851418
>>156851397
Why do you hate lolis so much? It is not real and nobody gets hurt
>>156830848
they have and will continue to influence the japanese anime market until it's fully western backed which will happen in the next 10-20 years
>>156851540
What are the odds that China saves us
>>156851522
Lolis are not for lewd
>>156851540
Pfft CR will be gone by then just like tokyopop
>>156851522
Won't somebody think of the children?!
>>156851582
Well i have to agree. I have always seen lolis more as daughterus
>>156851540
Not really. Even if it's been going back and forth since anime started, overseas sales don't really count in Japan in the end.
>>156847082
elitism
>>156834720
I wish
This is called idealism: >>156851369
There is a whole academic field of translation that you don't even know exists. Books have been translated for as long as different civilizations have come into contact with each other. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
>>156851397
You're a bad person.
>>156851369
Agreed, screencap of interest.
>>156850842
And this person is eating burger eight now.
Just shut yourself in your country, and don't watch anything which doesn't belong to your culture if you are just too dumb to understand it.
>>156850642
Based Daiz
>>156852481
Wanting something to be true to the point of investing your ego into your position is called being controlled by your emotions.
>>156852379
This should be shown everytime to every memecartel and general burger people.
>>156852261
Whole academic field of retardation.
"Translators" need to stop treating people like retards.
>>156852625
Great argument. It's like I'm really talking to a creationist or a flat-earther. Do you have any self-awareness or ability to hear yourself speak?
>an academic field established and perfected over thousands of years is nonsense because I say so
>take me seriously, I am the translation now
>>156852379
>paid to translate properly
Something CR don't bother with
>>156852379
>resolution
>jpg
Disgusting.
>>156852735
>Flat Earth is nonsense, now take this unrelated idea as fact because people have believed it for a long time
>>156852625
Exactly. Translator should translate, not improve / change. I don't like to be treated like an imbecile who can't read few notes at the bottom of book's page. If I'm reading something, I'm aware that it's a work of an author which is living in other country with other culture and I want to know more about it. When something is changed to fit into my country / culture I feel offended. And it's not only about anime and Japan. That's why I'm reading books in English, not my primary language if a book was written originally in English (except the cases with high amount tl notes). That's why I'm buying English translated Manga (mainly for unfinished series, I'm Importing only finished from Japan because of shipping cost) - YenPress and Seven Seas have a decent quality of translations, with honorifics, original sounds and very close to original script unlike to manga published in my country.
>>156852735
And it now makes sense because a bunch of retards say so?
Should I believe the Bible because it was made thousands and thousands of years ago?
Please, just stop.
Localizations > Straight Translations that read like shit and don't have the effect the author intended for his jap audience on the reader
>>156852735
Association of Doctors is stating that the best 'cure' for a cancer is chemotherapy.
Open minded people knows that it's a huge bullshit. Exactly the same situation we have with translation subject.
>>156851418
I wonder what'll happen when Daiz looks for a job.
>>156852999
You're retarded if you think that anime and manga are written with such nuance as to prevent straight translations from communicating the concepts effectively.
Do people watch anime from things other than crunchyroll?
Sounds extremely inconvenient.
>>156847082
Poor footage quality, but also >>156851720 this.
>>156834720
Get a load of this faggot.
>>156853050
You're retarded if you think the opposite.
>>156852999
Localization is what an interpretation of translator which is in most cases completely nonsense. This is a localization.
Is it good?
Burgers will probably say - yes. What I'm thinking?
It's bullshit, complete bullshit for brainless zombies.
>>156851577
Nah, they'll just take it in a different shittier direction faster. Chinks are even worse than the nips when it comes to being creative or aiming for original.
>>156853078
Streaming doesn't limit bitrate and resolution.
The players are just pure shit.
>>156852907
>dismiss an academic field for no reason
>get called out for dismissing the academic field for no reason
>not understand the criticism, construct a strawman based around the possibility that the Earth might be flat
You're not even trying to make yourself appear smart. Try again in 100 years.
>>156852945
>And it now makes sense because a bunch of retards say so?
How would you know, if you've never studied it?
>Should I believe the Bible because it was made thousands and thousands of years ago?
Translation is a field of academia, not of theology. It actually is based on research, evidence and theory.
I mean, most intelligent people trying to prove something online would actually Google the topic as the bare minimum amount of effort. Why haven't you done this?
A lot of your confusion could be cleared up if you just read an overview of the subject. You don't need to get a master's degree in translation, but man, arguing with someone who thinks translation is the same as theology is not fun in any way. You might as well be drunk and trying to get your car keys from a sober friend of family member for all the sense you're making.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_studies
>>156853177
>taking the worst localization you could find to argue your point
>implying ever single localization is like that
Nice strawman
>>156853071
Streaming as a whole is just inconvenient to me, imagine paying for it.
>>156853242
>construct a strawman based around the possibility that the Earth might be flat
I wasn't even the one that posted the reference to flat earth you utter, utter cock. YOU posted that, and I was pointing out the irony in you bringing up flat earth when it was accepted scientific fact for most of human history, right before you went on to say that the generally accepted conventions of translation are correct because they've been around for a long time. God, one person can't possibly be this retarded.
>>156853242
If you are sooooo intelligent, why you didn't say anything to other arguments.
Herkz, pls. Localization is a bullshit for kids or poor minded people. If you really like totally changed script which is fitting to your culture, than I have a bad news for you. You are not an intelligent person.
>>156853242
>A lot of your confusion
Thing is, I don't care about your bullshit.
>>156853311
>Sit down
>Select crunchy roll app on PS4
>Browse through animes with pretty pictures
>Pick one with cutest girl
>Episodes auto play one after another
Super ez
>>156853242
Your entire argument is based on analogies and telling people that translation is academia they aren't smart enough to understand.
>>156853393
>Sit down
>Select crunchy roll app on PS4
>Disconnected from the Internet
>Brow- Shutdown PS4
>Episodes auto play one after another
Super ez
>>156853393
Why not just stream for free then? costs nothing and I'm guessing there's a bigger selection to choose from. Personally I download bunch of stuff and just plug my HDD into the TV to watch it nowadays. To each his own I guess.
>>156853242
A translation will never be perfectly accurate but it should be as close as possible. Localization is just rewriting dialog.
Look at english translation of Lolita, it sounds nice but the characters end up feeling different than in the russian version because of localization.
>>156853293
>>implying ever single localization is like that
It is though
>>156853242
And who cares about translation studies? Dude. I have my own opinion, my own preferences and my own ways to translate and present it to the people. I don't accept work for a masses, I want to present my work to the fans which are actually interested in culture, manners and nuances of source country (Japan in this case). And professors should go fuck themselves if they are treating majority of people as imbeciles.
I'm a programmer in everyday life. Many rules exist in programming, many people prefer to put {} in the same line like a name of function, but other like to put it below. Who is right? No one. There is no such thing like proper translation and proper way to code. It all depends on source and target audience. Localization fags should just die.
>>156853681
>I'm a programmer
No wonder you're autistic.
>>156853751
Well, fuck you too.
>>156853595
This is legal
>>156853511
I have not had this happen to me even one time.
>>156853346
>the reference to flat earth
Not a reference. An analogy. And not to "flat earth" - to "flat-earthers." Because it's appropriate. If you, or whoever wrote that post, really think that the accumulated knowledge, theory and truth from an entire academic field can logically be dismissed because of your emotions, then that puts you in the same category of people who do this. That includes creationists (people who deny evolution) and flat-earthers (people who deny astronomy, physics, geology and probably some other fields).
>you utter, utter cock
Great. More name-calling. Time to stop reading your post.
>>156853359
>If you really like totally changed script which is fitting to your culture, than I have a bad news for you. You are not an intelligent person.
See, this is why these conversations don't work. You are looking at the truth right in front of you, but you see it as something completely different. I've got news for you, bro. Language IS culture. Any translation, by definition, is going to totally change the script, and yes, that means manipulating the culture of the story. Unless you want to watch your anime in Japanese, then you are in the same category as those "not so intelligent persons" you love to name-call who need translation in order to understand the dialogue of anime.
>>156853385
You care, otherwise you wouldn't be replying about the subject. You're just blinded by your emotional attachment to what you think you know.
>>156853411
My argument, to state it clearly, is that professional translators know what they're doing.
>>156853613
Translation and localization aren't discrete concepts. The fact that you are translating from one language into an entirely new language is an act of localization. It's localizing Japanese media for an American audience.
>>156853841
>You care, otherwise you wouldn't be replying about the subject.
I'm talking about actual translation, yours is apparently something else called retard science. Anyway, it's time for this thread to just die.
>>156853841
No. You CAN translate without changing the meaning, culture references and character personalities. It's possible and perfectly doable, which many fansub groups confirmed in the past. It's just your delusion that translation = localization.
>>156853681
>And who cares about translation studies? Dude.
I guess that really sums it up, huh. Why don't I ask you this, then, and I don't know the answer, so please humor me in reference to what you wrote:
>Many rules exist in programming, many people prefer to put {} in the same line like a name of function, but other like to put it below. Who is right? No one.
What if there were a programmer who had his own preferences too. If you tried to argue with this programmer and tell him he's wrong, he just told you that programming language is nonsense because he said so. This programmer doesn't put {} in the same line or on the next line down. He puts it at the top of the page, and instead, where {} should go, he instead uses: "MY:-O-{N-I-I-}S-A-M-A-" because, after all, programming language is just some nonsense thought up by stuffy computer science professors in their ivory towers, right?
>>156853841
Anon, I will give you one more reply because I am genuinely concerned about you: You cannot compare people who question generally accepted theory to flat earthers and then proceed to say that those generally accepted theories are only right because it's the "time-proven academic establishment." Your mindset is the same mindset that flat earthers were in a thousand years ago, and they have been proven completely wrong.
Go ahead and just refuse to read my posts because I called you a cock though.
Localization > translation.
>>156853996
>You CAN translate without changing the meaning
I guess this is just a case of laypeople not and never being able to understand. Translation is not like using a cypher where you can just substitute a Japanese word for an equal and equivalent English word - or an English word with an equal and equivalent Spanish word. Even words that are a perfect match in meaning will not always be a perfect match in usage. Then you have idioms and other non-literal constructions. If you think you can approach translation literally, then chances are that the only "translation" you've ever done was with highly selective, carefully prepared material in a language class. Actual human language acts just can't be translated word-for-word.
>>156853963
High quality contribution to the conversation. I'm so glad to have you in the thread.
>>156854059
>because I am genuinely concerned about you
When a young person runs out of arguments, they fall back on mirroring what the adults in their lives have said to them in the recent past. Did you know how transparent you were being?
>because it's the "time-proven academic establishment."
ONCE AGAIN, if you're not willing to do even the basic amount of background research into a topic, you can't expect to be taken seriously, on the internet or anywhere, regardless of how emotional you become or don't become.
>>156834720
>don't listen to foreign music
Why would you ever limit yourself so harshly? If you live outside of Europe, you've effectively cut yourself off from classical music, and a lot of rock and metal.
>>156854427
Because of... MURICA.
>>156834720
>coloured
Being proud of not being coloured is not something normal, well-adjusted people do
>>156830848
ruined, normalfags are getting progressively worse
>>156854681
>ree normalfags ruin everything
>>156854941
see: crunchyroll anime awards
crunchyroll inherently makes e-celeb and reddit "culture" more acceptable which means a higher amount of weebs/newfags will be created within the next few years which will be further enhanced by the 2020 olympic games. The olympic games will be the harbinger of the end in more ways than one. We're too late, we're all doomed.
>>156854941
Non-hobbyists becoming the primary population of a hobby=dead hobby. This isn't a simple concept.
>>156855105
>>156855204
Good, maybe you hopeless weebs will finally abandon this hobby and get a glife
>>156855204
I meant to say that it is a simple concept, sorry.
>>156855256
You fucked that up.
MOU OWARI DA
WE'RE DONE FOR
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>156855105
Anime is in a horrible self destructive cycle where it overly panders to specific groups( autistic weebs ), so the only people that end up creating new anime are the previous autistic weebs who were fans. They then pander even harder.
It needs fresh blood.
>>156855366
>bla bla bla i suck cocks
gtfo noob
>>156855366
That's not a bad idea, but the people crunchyroll is trying to pander to are not the people you want creating things
>>156855477
>noob
What year is it?
>>156855483
Otaku and normalfags are equally cancerous so it barely matters
Is anime tosho down for anyone else?
>>156855105
Well, Russia and Brazil didn't change much after their runs in the spotlight.
>>156853071
Yeah by torrenting
>>156855642
I can't access it atm.
>>156831534
Shh.
>>156855596
you're obviously just mad since he pwned you
>>156856062
>pwned
Yeah you are clearly 13
>>156841030
Funny because EVA is literal harem bait. Lain is pretentious and LoGH is a pretty bad adaptation for a novel.
>>156856092
it was an ironic jab since you were the one sperging out at the word noob
>>156856092