>make a manga about a functional and legal harem >no spineless

>>156822441
*flashy

>>156822441
Lol wife 2 still splashing around the block.

I dropped this when I saw his bimbo wife

>>156823589
All 3 apparently.

>>156822441
>wife 4 is a highschool girl, who was forced to join by the mc and wife 2 to make wife 3 jealous

>>156823652
The highschool girl hooks her gym teacher or something in the raws.

>>156823639
I imagine it would only be bimbos who would be okay with polygamy in a realistic setting

>>156823692
Or Japanese women

>>156822441
The guy is shit too (him not being a push-over doesn't make him good). Every character in this manga is just unlikeable.

name?

Name?

>>156823785
That nigger is just unlikable at first. It took me two full years to not vibrantly disdain him. But something clicked and now I like him.

>>156823886
I may have dropped this before he got better then. Too bad the girls seem to get far worse.

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>>156823589
>>156822441
Wife 2 is cheating on him with her ex in the raws. The manga is stuck in a flashback now which is like retroactive NTR.

But the manga is written by a woman so what do you expect?

>>156822441
>those backgrounds
What the fuck?

>>156822441
>Female author
Gee I wonder why.

>>156822441
what manga is that?

>>156823939
>woman writes a romance manga
>realistic plot
>each character has their own character flaws that they must confront
>guy writes romance manga
>it's about 5 lolis lusting after some 30 year old's dick
the contrast is amazing.

>>156824047
No more like every girl fucks many men.

>>156824047
Sure it's trying to be realistic but no one wants realism in their anime and manga.

>>156824047
>harem setting
>realistic

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>>156823939
Also they found out she's pregnant and he probably impregnated her.
So for those keeping track at home
>prostitute
>cheater
>doormat
Fucking retconning NTR

I don't have any evidence of this but I really strongly feel that this series is made for women. It actually feels like the reader is supposed to self insert as the 3rd bitch. Anyway, there's no benefit to reading this as a male as far as I'm concerned.

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>>156824153

>>156824153
Madoka is the prostitute? I figured that'd be Yuzu. I have a feeling the guy's going to leave both of them and stick with #3 instead.

I thought its kinda obnoxious how the male lead just doesn't act more dominant, at least to the point where I read. I like the idea of a proper harem (with a single dominant guy) but idk. He's a little too "patient".

>But the manga is written by a woman so what do you expect?
Why are women so much better at romance than men?

>>156824159
It's in a Seinen magazine
>>156824122
If a harem law was ever enacted in real life then I'm sure it would be the opposite of sunshine and rainbows

>>156824215
The magazine doesn't necessarily reflect the audience of the specific series. I know there are several Jump series (a Shounen magazine) that are more popular with women, for example. This just -feels- like something made for women, if you know what I mean. If you've been reading manga for long enough you can just sort of feel the demographic something is aiming for. Even small things like the way anatomy is draw leads me to believe this is a female oriented series.

>>156822441
Is this harekon? because that manga was so boring.

>>156824159
do people really self-insert in manga? i just root for the mc every time.

>>156824268
>Is this harekon?
Yes

>>156824308
>do people really self-insert in manga?
No, no one does.

>>156824215
In rural Utah there are still old fashioned Mormons who never went along with the church's abolition of polygamy (which was only done under threat by the US gov't). There have been documentaries done about those communities and they found that the women are all pretty much brainwashed doormats, and young men are forced out of the community because all the young women are monopolized by creepy old patriarchs so there are no prospects or future for young men.

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Fuck you.

>>156824184
I think that was the point all along. For girls to self-insert as the harem-breaker.

>>156822441
I remember dropping this like one volume in. Everyone, guy included, were unlikable pieces of shit.

>>156824379
When you think about it, it's the ultimate female fantasy, monopolizing a popular man. The harem is just window dressing.

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>>156824308

I do all the time. It immerses you more deeply in sorrow, romance, longing etc.

Manga isn't sports. You need to be able to bond with the characters to get the full enjoyment. Self-insert is just the ultimate level of immersion. This is why authors reveal even the innermost thought and feelings to their leads. Your heart should beat with theirs.

>>156824267
The writer isn't always writing for their audience though. Non probably put her foot in the door with Hare-kon and gradually made these young male nips go from
>"having a harem would be awesome"
to
>"having a harem just means I get cucked 3 times as much, I guess I'll just go with this discarded bar skank"

Government propaganda I bet.

>>156824113
>no one wants realism in their anime and manga
This guy fucking gets it. Except this applies to most fiction for me.

>>156824433
>Self-insert is just the ultimate level of immersion.
You just spoiled the whole bait, don't be too hasty.

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>>156824461

I didn't, its true. People who don't self-insert are interacting with their media all wrong.

>>156824047
You clearly don't reach much if you think those generalizations are valid.

>>156824433
Lmao I hope you didn't self-insert as Nobu. Nana 1 is such an immaculate example of an utter star-fucking whore too. Yazawa Ai killed the only good relationship, then made the only good character go insane (and I mean Rena haha).

>>156824441
Nigger video games. for real. I'm talkin video games and people bein all "real women don't look like that" and i be "well real niggas don't fly around eating stars all day" like seriously

>>156824512

Uh no? I self-inserted with Nanas (especially Hachi)...you know, the leads? They are some of the most famously relateable and realistic figures in all manga, afaic. Don't tell me you wouldn't have sex with a celebrity you idolized as an early 20something.
Reina is a rapist and Nobu refused to care for his own kids.

>>156824506

I read a TON and its valid to say men cannot write romance. Not saying all males write pedo/harem crap, and its not true that all women write realism, but women can write better and more likeable characters in more sexy situations, whereas males tend to write a sexy girl and have the Male Lead be like "Bwuhhh? all the time. Its obnoxious.

>>156824703
Men aren't interested in romance. We could probably write it, but why would we want to?

>>156824625
>Nobu refused to care for his own kids
You fucking absolute retard.
>Like a girl.
>She's fucking this big celebrity.
>He keeps taunting you about your unrequited love.
>Eventually you win her heart.
>Tell her that you will wait a few weeks for her to break up with the celebrity
>She comes back and says she broke up with him
>The two of you start dating
>Find out she's pregnant
>You always wore a condom
>Suddenly the celebrity guy arrives at her fucking house
>You're standing right there
>Celebrity guy confirms that she never wore a condom with him
>Celebrity guy doesn't even know they broke up
>Making her look like a liar and a cheat (even if it was a misunderstanding)
>You're dumbstruck
>Get thrown out into the hallway
>Celebrity guy closes the door and starts fucking her

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah if that girl is relateable to you then I hope you never spread your genes. She became a kept woman. And a disgusting cunt too. She ditched good Nana at a party just to get fucked, acting all clueless-like. Her husband is cheating on her all the time but she doesn't care to even try to notice because she's never actually loved the jackass, just his famous penis. They barely exchanged 2 words outside of the bedroom before they got engaged because of a bastard in her womb.

>>156824703
This is actually a problem with editors shoehorning the author because of the publications genre and target audience. Though this is more prevalent in novels than in manga.

>>156824703
>women can write better and more likeable characters in more sexy situations

Enjoy your NTR, niggers, chads and low life handsome guys.

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>>156824179
>That art
Oh this fucking mangaka

>>156824840
Just a different set of demons from nosebleeds, "kyaaa"s, asexual indecisive faggots, "I like him because he's kind", and the insufferable bitching and whining of the protagonist.

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>>156824814
>>Get thrown out into the hallway
>>Celebrity guy closes the door and starts fucking her

This never happens. Takumi leaves and when he comes back they are both gone. Also while Nobu did wear a condom, Ren II looks a lot more like him than he does Takumi.

And Hachi does know he cheats on her. Come on. She knows he's that kind of man from day 1.

>>156824840
Yeah I will.

>>156824837
Nah, even female seinen/shounen romance authors manage to do a really good job. Meanwhile there are pretty much zero male shoujo romance writers (unless you dig really really obscure/old stuff)

>>156824914
Flip it around and girls romance is the exact same way. Only the FeMC is the insufferable indecisive one.

>>156824814
Not to mention that she soundly keeps Nobu as a backup. And any shadow of doubt to the author's intentions regarding the portrayal Hachi's actions as absolutely gross should be removed when you remember Nobu's very next girlfriend: an AV actress.
>sleeps with men for money despite her romantic affections laying elsewhere
>does it on camera and wants a lot of people to see
That's the description of Hachi we are given by Yazawa Ai.

>>156824179
What is this manga? Some of us want to feel heart broken too.

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>>156825163

Nah I don't think so. Girls in shoujo can be a bit more submissive, they can have conflicting feelings, but they aren't asexual idiots going "BWUHHH?" when the male leads pursue them.

You can be indecisive and unsure in a believable way (pic related) or in retard, male harem way.

>>156825233
Read the thread, the name is in two posts.

>>156822441
Shoujo was a mistake.

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>>156825233

Hare Kon. Its okay, the male lead should be sexier and less of the backup girls.

>>156825168
What does Nobu's second gf have to do with Hachi? If Nobu's second gf is Hachi, then Takumi, Andou and Shouji are all Nobu.

>>156825319
This isn't Shoujo, it's Seinen almost bordering on Josei

>>156824433
self inserting is for gay retards

>>156825113
You make the case that Hachi isn't a shit by asserting that she's shit? Staying with him while knowing he cheats is even more transparent to the fact she's a starfucker that tossed Nobu out like garbage because he wasn't hot, suave, and famous. Kid didn't even get 3 minutes to think about her pregnancy before she leaped into the arms of the guy she told him she broke up with, now inexplicably at her apartment claiming paternity (after knowing that he obviously is the father because poor Nobu wore a condom every time because he actually treated her like a person T_T how sad!).

It really doesn't matter whose kid it actually is now because I'm pretty sure nobody had x-Ray/time travel vision in that room. Hachi still leads Nobu on though and gets him to take care of the kid regardless.

>>make a manga about a functional and legal harem
>>no spineless faggot mc
>Sounds good right?
No

>>156825319

Its female-written Seinen. Not quite shoujo tier.

>>156825353
Is seinen just dark shonen and josei just jaded shoujo?

>>156825406
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinen_manga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josei_manga

>>156825327
>What does Nobu's second gf have to do with Hachi?
Because that's how Yazawa Ai wrote it.

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>>156825397
>tossed Nobu out like garbage because he wasn't hot, suave, and famous
No, Nobu didn't step up to the plate because he's a massive manchild. Takumi did, because he has an incredible sense of paternal responsibility. Takumi finds out Hachi is pregnant right before he tells Nobu. And he steps right up to the plate, he doesn't stand around acting all shocked. Takumi might be a bad husband but he's a great father afaic. And that counts for a lot when you are pregnant and scared like Hachi was.
>now inexplicably at her apartment claiming paternity
Takumi said it didn't matter, he was going to take care of her child either way.
>Hachi still leads Nobu on though and gets him to take care of the kid regardless.
No, Takumi takes care of Ren. Satsuki is probably Takumi's though.

Does nobody care that the second wife was impregnated by guy she's been fucking behind-the-scenes for 118 chapters? Why was that retcon necessary?

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>>156825406

There's really no difference between josei and shoujo. Josei tends a little bit more towards working women as the leads, which is very rare in shoujo. Even then thats not much of a rule.

>>156825501
he should divorce them both and just marry haru. they're both trash.

>>156825468
>No, Nobu didn't step up to the plate
He was told a).she's pregnant b).she never broke up with her boyfriend and c).he fucked her bareback (while Nobu wore condoms). All in the span of around 5 minutes

>he's a massive manchild
He's 19 years old

>Takumi did, because he has an incredible sense of paternal responsibility
Because he knew he fucked her bareback and knew Nobu didn't.

>And that counts for a lot when you are pregnant and scared like Hachi was.
Scared that it was Nobu's because he doesn't have money or a famous penis.

>Takumi said it didn't matter, he was going to take care of her child either way
Because he knew it was his. Again, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom

>No, Takumi takes care of Ren.
Nobu is still being kept around to play babysitter. Being led on by Hachi up until Yazawa Ai went on hiatus. Try reading.

>>156822441
>i don't know how to write for shit
>lets throw stupid soap opera drama everywhere and hope that distracts people
Great manga.

>>156825674
Haru is fucking her gym teacher.

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>>156825525
The ages just adapt to the target audience's average age.

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Shoujo is awesome especially when I run out of xration djs.

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>>156825807

Yeah but not even always then. So NANA stars grown ass women and is shoujo, but Sakamichi no Apollon largely stars highschool kids and is josei.

There's no stark contrast the way you see between shoujo and most seinen/shounen. Its just a difference in magazines.

>>156825731
>knew Nobu didn't.
No he didn't. And he let Nobu have dibs, he completely acknowledged Nobu as Hachi's boyfriend and himself as the "other man". Hachi never tells Takumi that Nobu used a condom.

>Nobu is still being kept around to play babysitter.
No he's not. Ren II and Takumi are in the UK. YOU try reading. This is one of the most famous aspects of Takumi and Hachi's later marriage.

>>156825745
The author is just making stuff up along the way.
Some events are just too sudden and abrupt, there's little or even zero foreshadows.
Kinda remind me of Kuzu no Honkai.

>>156825957
>No he didn't
Yes he did. Any human male would. It's so obvious that he does because it's so basic. Like "just the tip" not meaning shit.

>Hachi never tells Takumi that Nobu used a condom.
The condom statement is made by Nobu himself.

>No he's not. Ren II and Takumi are in the UK.
? So what?
That's not mutually exclusive with what I said. And you're talking about the flash forward world anyways. Chapter 83 literally has Hachi, a woman with a husband and child, and a shit load of money, about to accept a kiss from Nobu, her ex-boyfriend and small-time musician.

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>>156826175
>The condom statement is made by Nobu himself.

Yeah and to Nana, not to Takumi. Try READING. As far as Takumu knows, nobody used a condom. Plus condoms fail, Ren looks way more like Nobu then like Takumi and still Takumi is an ace father.

>That's not mutually exclusive with what I said.
You claimed Nobu was babysitting Ren and this is bs.

>Chapter 83 literally has Hachi, a woman with a husband and child, and a shit load of money, about to accept a kiss from Nobu
Her child is still unborn at that time, and Nobu is practically trying to force the kiss on her. She doesn't want it. Nobu is a weird slimeball manchild and worst boy in Nana worse than Asano or Shouji.

>self-inserting into Hachi

Literal trash character. Layla is 100% more sympathetic than her but bitches and whores feel validated by Hachi because she's an MC so if they defend her shitty behaviour it's like they are defending their own.

>>156822441
doormat best girl

>>156826275
>trying to force the kiss on her

My fucking sides. Hachi has been a literal slut from day one when she was fucking a married man and she herself admits she's an easy woman. Even Nana felt bad for Nobu because of the shitty way Hachi treated him. Try not self-inserting so hard womanchild.

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>>156826280

Reira is a literal child rapist/pedophile, and imho, incredibly selfish/clingy, like get a grip. Easily my least favorite character in the whole thing.

Hachi is just a sweet girl who wants to love and be loved, something pretty much everyone can easily relate to. Also she doesn't pay for child prostitutes. So thats a plus too.

>Seigi no Mikata hasn't updated in years.
Feels bad.

>>156826275
>Nobu is practically trying to force the kiss on her
Lol okay sure. It's rape when you dislike the character because his appearance isn't tailored to your pussy. And again, a 19 year-old isn't a man, hence cannot be a manchild. You self-inserted way too hard.

Hachi (you) loves Nobu more than Takumi but she's a materialistic bitch seeking a daddy and has been since chapter one. Your self-insert has gotten in the way of you absorbing the author's narrative, hence we return to the original topic: self-inserting is bad.

>>156826430
>Hachi is just a sweet girl who wants to love and be loved
She wants money and an older man. It's been that way for every single relationship besides Nobu. That's a huge point that Yazawa Ai constantly pushes. Self-inserting this hard is an illness.

>>156826430
>wants to love and be loved
So she chooses the one who doesn't love her? Hachi wants financial security more than love.

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>>156826504
> It's rape when you dislike the character because his appearance isn't tailored to your pussy.
I didn't say rape, I said its a forced kiss because it is. And yes, Nobu is also ugly.

>a 19 year-old isn't a man
Its a man in most nations of the world. But fine, so be it, he's a regular boychild. Is that supposed to make him more likeable, or more of a father? Meanwhile Takumi has been helping to support his family since he was an adolescent.

>she's a materialistic bitch seeking a daddy and has been since chapter one

You mean where she fell in love with all matter of working class guys? Yeah Asano is professional class, but he was also very loving and has that older man mystique (also looks sharp in a suit). Then Shouji who is an ART student (not at all rich, nor older than Hachi). She only broke up with Nobu when Nobu proves what a boychild he is by not being there for her in her pregnancy.

Nobu could have had Hachi, he is the one who turns her down. Don't say "he's shocked" when Takumi walked right into that shock and did the right thing when Hachi needed him.

>>156826643
>Married man, her employer, celebrity,
>All matter of working class guys

Haha. It's power. Jesus fucking Christ. Do I need to explain the entire manga to you? Subtext much?

>>156826643
>Don't say "he's shocked" when Takumi walked right into that shock and did the right thing
He acted like a sociopath with disposable income. And not a human being like Nobu who can't keep Hachi as a pet (another huuuuge red flag concerning Yazawa Ai's intentions with that character that you clearly missed).

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>>156826558

>So she chooses the one who doesn't love her? Hachi wants financial security more than love.
Takumi does love her. He's a manwhore but he does care in his own way, and he especially cares for his children. He has a massive paternalistic streak.
Nobu sees her as some kind of mommy figure, and he couldn't man up to be there for his own (potential) child, let alone Hachi herself. That'ts not love, thats a fling. He wants Hachi to caress him and mommy him. And Nobu IS pretty much rich too. Unlike Takumi, who works incredibly hard to make money in spite of being born disadvantaged, Nobu is born rich and has his parents waiting as a safety net but chooses to slum it as a guitarist because he wants to be a rock star.

The end.

>>156826537

>She wants money and an older man
Shouji is not older, nor is he wealthy. He's an art student working part time as a waiter. When Hachi comes to live with him he literally tells her to get a job because he can't provide for her. That leaves Asano. If you count Hachi's crushes, you get older guys but none who are particularly wealthy (art teacher, video rental clerk, pizza boy and chef).

She wants love. She wants strong bonds with others. She also wants some stability in her life, and who doesn't? You can't hold that against her.

>>156826788
Idk how people see the fact that Hachi = a pet dog and don't think that's intentional or prevalent to her character.

>>156826789
>When Hachi comes to live with him he literally tells her to get a job because he can't provide for her. That leaves Asano.

Yes? That's proof that she wants a "provider" dipshit.

>And Nobu IS pretty much rich too. Unlike Takumi, who works incredibly hard to make money in spite of being born disadvantaged

Oh. So you LITERALLY never read the manga. Sorry. My bad.

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>>156826721
Oh shoot I forgot Mizukoshi-san, the one whose shop went bankrupt entirely.

Shouji is not powerful. Neither is the stupid video store clerk or whoever. Yes, power makes a guy sexier.

>>156826788
>He acted like a sociopath with disposable income.

No, he acted like a caring and loving man. His disposable income was all hard-earned too which allows him to give his kids a good life and Hachi a good life too.

Nobu could always go back to his family's inn. He chooses not to, he chooses his stupid guitar, and in doing so he abandons Hachi and her baby. What do you want Hachi to do? Follow Nobu even though he's proven himself to be a boychild?

>>156826789
>She wants love.
Picks the one who doesn't.
>She wants strong bonds with others.
Her relationships crumble because of it
>She also wants some stability in her life
And she succeeded
>and who doesn't?
Rebels and other cool people
>You can't hold that against her.
Why not? Favoring stability over love and bonds is what a lobotomized sheep does.

>>156826908
>No, he acted like a caring and loving man.
By barging in and saying you'll raise a kid in front of the mother's boyfriend? And then going on to ignore and cheat? That's all it takes?
>His disposable income was all hard-earned too
So you missed the entire commentary on the music industry regarding the manga too? You missed the entire plot about Takumi taking advantage of Reira's musical talents? Wow. They say love makes you blind, but I didn't know that counted for fictional characters.

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>>156826888
>Yes? That's proof that she wants a "provider" dipshit.

And is that even bad? Point being she still loved Shouji even to the point where he cheated on her, and she still loved Nobu even to the point where he left her sobbing on a bed alone and pregnant.

>Oh. So you LITERALLY never read the manga. Sorry. My bad.

Did YOU read the manga? Takumi's father is an alcoholic whose income alone didn't make ends meet, his mother is sick, and he delivered papers to help make money until his sister quits school. The only reason they have a home is his grandfather willed it to them.

Takumi has a very very deep sense of responsibility for his family and for his work.
Nobu is a fucking boychild who wants to be a rocker, his parents are rich and he's not disowned either. He's garbage and can't even care for a baby or Hachi.

>>156827075
>Did YOU read the manga? Takumi's father is an alcoholic whose income alone didn't make ends meet, his mother is sick, and he delivered papers to help make money until his sister quits school. The only reason they have a home is his grandfather willed it to them.

Go on. And then he rides Reira's love for him to the top. Jeez. There's entire chapters about it.

>>156827075
>And is that even bad?
Yes. Did you walk out of a time machine before suffrage or something. Last time I checked woman can be functional humans too and can even have jobs!

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>>156827042
>By barging in and saying you'll raise a kid in front of the mother's boyfriend?

He called up Nobu. And no, he held Nobu accountable. Takumi wants to know where he stands, if he is going to be raising these kids or not. He was giving Nobu the choice--to step up to the plate or not, because otherwise Takumi would.

Nobu of course acts like the pathetic boychild he is, so Takumi takes on the responsibility of being a husband and father. AND he takes care of Hachi before she even makes her choice, letting it be her choice. He's amazing in that scene, at his absolute best.

Takumi is flawed and a manwhore, but he proves that he is by far the bigger man than Nobu when Hachi's pregnancy is revealed.

>? You missed the entire plot about Takumi taking advantage of Reira's musical talents? Wow.
Trapnest is Takumi's band you weirdo. That's like saying Ren/Reira/Naoki are taking advantage of Takumi for him doing all the work while they slack off.

Still waiting to hear what a wealthy man Shouji is btw.

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>>156827171
>Yes. Did you walk out of a time machine before suffrage or something. Last time I checked woman can be functional humans too and can even have jobs!

Last time I checked, women can also be mothers or be housewives too! Men can be househusbands! Or work part time! People can choose! And they aren't bad people for it! Idiot. Lots of people want providers and you are fucking retarded or living under a rock if you think that stopped in the 1920s. Or that housewives are not "functional humans". Just fuck off.

>>156827123

>Go on. And then he rides Reira's love for him to the top. Jeez. There's entire chapters about it.

More like the other members ride his friendship to the top, because Reira would be absolutely nowhere without Takumi, Trapnest runs on Takumi. He runs the band, she's just the cover, and she's fairly compensated too (at least we see nothing to hint otherwise).

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Going to bed, this is a summation of what Nobufags really believe:

-Only sociopaths take responsibility for kids
-Being a housewife makes you "not a functioning human".
-Reira did all the work in the creation and promotion of Trapnest and Takumi just sat along for the ride.
-Nice guys abandon their (potential) kids and girlfriends. This is the loving thing to do. If you are pregnant and your bf leaves you, that means he is loving.
-If you are attracted to powerful or wealthy or even just plain "stable" guys, even if you aren't attracted to them exclusively, then you are a whore and a bad person.
-If you ever have sex with a hot guy knowing it probably won't go anywhere but wishing it might, you are a bad person especially if that guy is also rich and famous.

>this thread
wew lad

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Thread about manga I dont recognize turns into a thread about Nana which I do recognize

Im okay with this.

>>156822441
What were you expecting?
The author's other manga is Delivery Cinderella which is about a girl working as a prostitute for its pleasure

>>156822441
You can't have a functional harem with pure girls unless you feed them with lots of money

>>156822441
If this is what I think it is it's more like the third wife is the mc and had to straighten shit up with the drama going on with the husband and his wives.

Personally I don't mind it, the issue is how the issue will be settled. it's going to be lame if they get away scott free for cheating on him.

>>156824267
It was obvious to me from the first chapter the 3rd wife is the one you are supposed to self-insert into and that hasn't changed 32 chapters later.

It reads like your typical shoujo manga just more ecchi and the guy actually fucks all 3 instead of just the one. Also not as much forced drama.

>>156826430
>child rapist
>pedophile


My fucking sides. Layla makes Hachifag self-inserters jealous because Takumi loves her more than their shitty literal who self-insert.

>incredibly selfish/clingy

Hachi is way more selfish than Layla ever was but I guess since Layla is too beautiful and famous for a loser like you to self-insert into she doesn't get a pass.

>>156826789
>Takumi does love her
>cheats on her any chance he gets
>forces himself on her more than once
>control freak
>would rather be with his insane sister whom he also fucked than with Hachi even in the future years later

Oh boy, this is what Hachifags really tell themselves.

>>156826854
This. Self-inserters need a reality check. I don't think you're supposed to root for anyone in this manga as they are all fucked up. Nana and Hachi being MC's doesn't mean their actions are in any way justified or should be defended half the time.

>>156827230
>all this battered wife syndrome

and Takumi himself pretty much says he created Trapnest for Layla and that he just wants her singing(her) to always stay by his side. There would be no Trapnest if not for Layla and he centers the whole band around her so she is quite literally the key to it's success. He didn't use her for fame, but saying he rode her love for him to the top isn't that far off from the truth.

>>156827725
>calling Takumi a "stable guy" ever

He's a good father and provider, that's it. Since you self-isert into Hachi so much you'd think you'd be more concerned about what kind of husband he is since he is an absolutely shit one to her.

>>156822441
It's not a pandering manga
Dude will end up with only the MC at the end

>>156824703
That's funny because most josei/shoujo/romance shit I've read(and I've read a lot) are trash and rely on forced drama most of the time. Funnily enough, the best romance I've read come from male seinen authors.

>reads harem
>reads shounen
>complains about shitty romance

Who would have thought?

WHY do people read contrived rage/feel-bait shit like this? There are hundreds or thousands of good manga you could be reading instead.

>>156831249
>contrived

That's like every manga that centers around some sort of fantasy "what if" element.

>rage/feel-bait shit

I'm only 30 chapters in but it's pretty boring so far, you must have autism if this is actually making you mad. I'm not just talking about the stuff that happens either, the atmosphere and the way its written is pretty meh

>>156824047
read >>156831248

>>156824416
this

>>156824179
>>156824153
fucks sake this is not why I picked this up

>>156822441
I stopped reading this.

Time to pick it back up.

>>156822441
Chapter 52 at the moment.

What should i be expecting?

>>156824122
mormans?

>>156825753
>Haru is fucking her gym teacher
Which chapter does this happen?

Wife 1 was the one that has been cheating on him and is pregnant by her ex probably. Wife 2 was the 13 year old prostitute that got pregnant as a teen and now can't get pregnant anymore. Wife 3 is the annoying one. Though I kind of felt that the harem would end after wife 2 left, so I quit following it.

>>156842366
It is in the arc right before the current one with his big tit wife cheating on him in the raws.

>>156844851
>tit wife cheating on him in the raws.
So that means, that this MC is getting cucked from all his wives? What a shitty harem famalam.

>>156840671
You will eventually get a sex scene between Wife 3 and the husband.

But this sex scene will causes ridiculously stupid drama between the husband and Wife 1.

>>156844944
Well I think the author's plan all along was to break up the harem and have the main girl be his only wife. So it seems like the series is ending soon-ish.

>>156845019
>sex scene will causes ridiculously stupid drama
ch 83 now, i think its because she discovered that she cant have babies is what made her leave them

>>156845120
Why is no one talking about Haru being a cheating slut too though? I mean, I have only seen people calling out big titty blonde wife. I would assume that seeing Haru cheating on the MC would trigger a lot of people in here.

>>156845163
She's pretty tragic
>>156845341
She's not his wife? They have only spoken like once or so

>>156845341
Haru didn't cheat. She sort of flirted with that one guy but nothing happened. The big tit wife seemed like the best character in the series, fun and not a bitch, but the author threw her under the bus pretty hard here.

>>156845432
I just noticed that I am retarded, I thought you guys meant Haru as Koharu. My bad.

>>156845527
So that what some anon said as retcon NTR. It's a shame really, she was the hottest wife. I guess she gotta pay the bills somehow, and drama sure as hell pays well. (Looking at you Seo).

>>156845527
mind spoiling me? i cant read moonrunes

>this art wasted on this stupid shit

>>156845527
>fuck why don't people like the main girl?
>oh okay they like this other girl who is obviously better
>ha ha, joke's on you faggots, now she's an irredeemable cheating slut
>looks like you have no choice but to support the character I wanted you to now!

>>156845669
Pretty sure the author intended to break up the harem and have the guy end up with Koharu from the start

He loves her the most anyway

>>156845341
>>156845527
Oh wait, I was thinking Haru as Koharu were the same too. Haru is the high school girl right? She is trying to hook up with her teacher who is married.

>>156845616
Big tits is pregnant but we learn she has been fucking her, ex, since he is her first love, behind her husband's back and she thinks he is the father. Husband seems like he is aware of what is going on though.

>>156846245
Considering how he have a special hair antenna that detects other men approaching his wives, I'm not surprised.

Stupid but it's a thing in the manga.

>>156824703
This is just bullshit and says more about the type of stuff you read than anything. Women can write Bonnouji or they can write HYD. Men can write Cross Game or they can write Nisekoi. There's no shortage of good or bad from either, you're just making retarded generalizations because you lack broad exposure.

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>>156824625
>Don't tell me you wouldn't have sex with a celebrity you idolized as an early 20something.
Where the fuck do you think you are, anon?

>>156845795
That doesn't make it any less annoying and contrived. Not that anon, but Koharu is easily the least likeable until character assasination happens. Authors do this all the time when they want to force a girl that is inferior. They just completely shit on all the other girls out of nowhere.

>>156847738
Wait, nevermind, I just saw that you praised the steaming pile of melodrama and masochist-bait that is HYD - >>156825257 . So I'm talking to someone absolutely devoid of taste, I suppose.

>>156824703
>>156824625
Holy shit, I've seen your "BWUHHHH" nonsense a lot over the last few days, but I only just realized you're the same goddamn person as that one shitposter from years ago who would talk up Hana Yori Dango and shit on H&C and post that 3x3 with Naruto on it, etc. I thought you were gone forever, please go back to wherever you were hibernating.

How the author draws hair is the only good thing about this manga.