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Reminder that Jinbe is officially a crewmember now and SaPu is canon.
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This is BIG NEWS
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>>156718883
I'm so happy.
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>>156718883
I wonder if in anime, they'll actually show this scene. Seeing Sanji talk to a girl without going bonkers would be refreshing
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>>156718926
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>sanji wasn't irritated by pudding, but realised that she was lying to herself back then already
My nigga
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>>156719109
GODA
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>>156719109
How could Pudding fool him?
Wasn't it stated Sanji can not be deceived by women because he can tell their true identity by their tears?
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>>156719264
Sanji wasn't fooled at any point. He's the most intelligent strawhat by far
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>>156719264
Sanji doesn't doubt women's tears.
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>>156718883
Zoro unarmed <<<< Sanji
Zoro with weapons > Sanji
proof me wrong
protip: u can't
SPEEDOREADER KUNNNNNNN
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>>156718905
this week niggastream's translation was better.
escpecially the conversation between Brook and Mama
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>>156719326
go back to /pol/ with your racism you scumbag
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>>156719264
reminder
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>>156719360
>He doesn't know
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>>156719409
Chopper ... remeber one thing ..
a cuck ... forgives ... a woman's lies.

fix'd
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WCI Facts:
>Big News Morgan is the best character of the arc
>Dogtooth ended up being a highly effective gag character because his Haki actually paralyzes him
>Smoothie will end up doing almost nothing
>Big Mom has to go down this arc
>SaPu is likely canon but Pudding will erase Sanjis memories of her so he can continue on his voyage
>Jinbe won't die and is almost as strong as Luffy
>Magellan can't lose a 1v1 fight
>Kuzan is a triple agent for the Revolutionaries
>Sanji won't be able to beat Daifuki without help
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Any idea on what Sanjis power up is going to be?
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>>156719467
>Dogtooth

stop it
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>>156719483
Okama kenpo
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>>156719515
sorry, Jobtooth*
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>>156719483
okama kenpo

after Pudding reveals her another surprise between her legs, Sanji goes full okama, so he can use all the technics what he learnt during timeskip
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>>156719483
He will eat the fire fru- Oh wait.
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I just realized that Big Mom always makes that intimidating face when she tries to steal somebodies life span in order to invoke fear in them and thus allow her powers to work.

I was wondering why all the panels that had her using that power had her making some very menacing looking face. I'm kinda impressed.
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>>156718926
Can you imagine being in his shoes and thinking you were just going to attend yet another one of Big Mom's boring weddings?
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>>156719467
>Jinbe won't die and is almost as strong as Luffy
Yes he will die.
>Sanji won't be able to beat Daifuki without help
Sanji gets stronger every time he has a bad experience and remembers it. Hes going to power up soon.
>Magellan can't lose a 1v1 fight
Yes he can. Luffy is immune to his poison and can beat him easily with G4
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>>156719566
Oh, you!
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>>156719467
Reiju new straw hat crew member to beat Magellan?
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>>156719621
Luffy us not immune, Spee D Reader

Magellans poison is constantly evolving and it is stated that Luffy isn't immune

If he was immune, he could have just beat up Magellan when escaping Impel Down, but he ran from Magellan

Sasuga Spee D Reader
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>>156719467
>No, that's Reiju for new characters, and Brook overall
>True
>True
>It's staring to look that way, but I still think otherwise
>No
>Yes and No
>Wrong
>No
>No
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>>156719483
He's not getting a power-up.

He never was even close to Zoro's level, so now it's not going to be like that neither.
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>>156719691
>but he ran from Magellan

because nobody told him, he's immune to the poison now
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>>156718883
Post more prometheus and zeus! The only good thing about whole cake island.
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>>156719709
Not him, but you've forgotten that characters can simply hit harder when they need to in One Piece (see Along Park). There were plenty of moments like that before Water 7. The characters got stronger with every arc with or without a flashy power up.
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>>156719709
This, Sanji was much, much closer to the fourth strongest SH and the weakling trio than to Zoro or Luffy, Sanjifags never learn.
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CoO is usefu-
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>>156719779
Poor rainbow got left out.
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>>156719691
Luffy is immune to most powerful poisons because of Magellan. Luffy had no idea that he was immune after he got poisoned and ran.

Even if he he isn't immune completely Luffy has some time before poison can kick in which is enough for him to use his g4.
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Imagine being a sanafag in this moment.
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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?
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>>156719483
Sanji is pretty good right now as is. He's 1 of 3 Strawhats that can fly, and the only one that can do it at any given moment and for an indeterminate amount of time. Doesn't need to spin anymore to ignite his leg, 2nd fastest strawhat, probably the best swimmer, probably the 2-3rd best CoO in the crew.

I'd like his power up to be a combination of his Vinsmoke genetic modifications activating (pseudo-CoA body), and some Okama Kenpo. Hell/Galaxy Winks too.

And finally maybe give his CoO an upgrad to something new and unique to him (or maybe an upgraded version of Katakuri's CoO future sight).
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>>156719813
Mark my words, He'll redeem himself once he joins the Straw Hat Fleet
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>>156719709
>was even close to Zoro's leve
Zorofags everyone. He s canonically as strong as him actually. People (me included) put Zoro ahead of him because he's always fighting the stronger opponnent. But from what has been said and every time they actually competed against each other they were equals.
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>>156719483
Okama kenpo.
Sanji jobbed until now because he's afraid of coming out of the closet.
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>>156719709
Doesn't Sanji get stronger through his bad experiences? His attacks are based on how much his memories enrage him so he should be somewhat stronger this arc.
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>>156719695
>>It's staring to look that way, but I still think otherwise

There's not going to be another Big Mom arc. It's now or never
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>>156719842
LOL G4 would oneshot Magellan easy. Can't even take a G2 punch that dude is DONE.
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>>156719862
has a friendly chat with Kidd in Kaido's prison
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>>156719864
Best CoO in the crew at the moment.
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Why is Bege so fucking cool.
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>>156719898
wait until Nami screams she actually loves bisexual men
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Hmm
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>>156719905
Luffy would kick in G4 if he had short amount of time before hes beat. Best to defeat an enemy quickly and effectively than drawing it out.
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>>156719466
Laziest "edit" I've seen in some time. Get your shit together, anon.
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>>156719905
He can block any G2/G3 attack without any problem.
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>>156719876
To be fair, it's mostly Oda problem that people and fags have this perception now, as Zoro has had quite a few battles post-ts without problems (beyond that Yeti Cool Bros incident), while Sanji hasn't had shit (a shared battle with Jinbe and two skirmishes against Vergo -with his body already fucked up- and Doffy).

It's Oda's fault IF he intends them to be in similar tiers, because as of right now we have no idea of what Sanji is capable of. Being a more embarrasing (in-universe) character that has mostly relied on comedics isn't helping either.
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Why are Zorofags so cancerous?
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>>156719914
>CoO
>useful
>investing your haki skill points on CoO
>ever
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>>156719779
I love how Linlin uses Zeus as a couch whenever she wants to. Best homie.
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>>156719938
Because he said he wanted to kill a Yonkou and meant it unlike this faggot

Also because he's the Anti-Kidd when you realize his bounty is much lower than it should be because his skills are defensively oriented and he minimizes collateral damage with his actions.
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>>156719851
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>>156720034
That's not our boi Napoleon.
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>>156719955
>2016-05-27
Holy shit, barely one year and the first Yonko arc finishes.

Why the fuck was Dressrosa so long?
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>>156720034
I just realized shes pretty much sitting on hersefl.
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>>156720079
Who /Prometheus/ here?
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Why sanjifags are so sensitive like a girl?
Is it because of the influence of their usual lair, tumblr?
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>>156720086
Because it needed to introduce a fuckton of new characters and foreshadowing for later
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>>156720086
fleet, admiral, revolutionnary army
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>>156719914
I would say Luffy probably has the best understanding and use of CoO. Sanji is very close behind and Usopp has potential of surpassing Sanji soon IF he doesn't step his CoO game up. A Sniper able to see from a mile away and through walls, with his already amazing marksmanship, is insanely good. He just needs to train it more.
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>>156719864
Second-fastest?

I asked once if Sanji was faster than Gear Second and we determined that he was, since he can skywalk with just his legs, whereas Gear Second can't skywalk at all. Gear Fourth can skywalk but doesn't seem to have any kind of footspeed to it since it can bounce, so Sanji could very well be faster than that as well. I'd call him the fastest Strawhat.
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>>156720086
Didn't Oda say that he didn't intend for it be that long? Oda has always been pretty bad with estimates, anyways.

He seems like he wanted to fix that (Dressrosa was alright in concept and events, but it was unnecessarily long). Also, MAYBE Mama isn't going down (in a classical way I mean), so we won't have every SH (half of it, actually) fighting against equal enemies.
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>>156720086
Oda had to shove every relevant plot factor in that arc because he forgot to spread it out during FI and Punk Hazard.
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>>156720113
Wouldn't Sanji be despised by tumblrinas considering how backwards he is in regards to women?

>>156720175
Oda said that Brook was the fastest of the crew in the latest SBS.
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>>156720236
>Oda said that Brook was the fastest of the crew in the latest SBS.

In a footrace.
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>>156719985
just for you
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>>156720175
Skywalk isn't about speed it's all skill, geppou.
And the fastest strawhat is brook.
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>>156720172
CoO is Sanji's speciality. I doubt Luffy CoO is better.
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>>156720063
I want to cum on Reiju's forehead
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>>156720269
Chopper's expression is perfect.

Saved
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>>156720236
Ah, I missed that. That makes sense. Previously I thought Brook was so fast because he just puts his foes in a daze and makes them slow down.
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>>156720034
>>156720079
>>156720110
The only good thing about the anime.
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>>156720291
Not him, but I'm guessing Ussop is bound to be an expert of it, considering his skill focus.

Still, Sanji needs to have a relatively strong CoA, considering he's a pure melee fighter.
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>>156720332
His CoO has to be stronger than Katakuri's because he dodged the bean
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>>156718883
Jinbe will officially join the crew as a ghost when he's dead
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>>156720381
No, that's not how it works
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>>156720329
the song was surprisingly good too
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>>156719955
I guess it's not just sexy women who suffer from the same body type.
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>>156720381
I don't think that's how it works. Katakuri's CoO didn't have an effect in shooting the bean, only in seeing that version of an immediate future had he not acted.

Still, Sanji's CoO is pretty fucking strong, we've already seen that in the post-ts. A shame we haven't seen a proper battle to have a measure of his CoA.
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>>156719779
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>>156720332
Usopp probably has the best CoO, but he's probably not strong or fast enough to take advantage of it beyond sniping, not to mention he only just developed it in Dressrosa.
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>>156720381
>sanji's CoO has to be stronger than katakuri.
Nigger, katakuri literally honed his CoO so much until he can see a bit of the future. Sanji is no way near that. That's not how it works.
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>>156720381
Katakuri focused too much on the Father, so he couldn't predict Sanji's move well.
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>>156718926
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>>156720469
Hey, Zeus. Your hat is gay !
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>>156720511
fukken saved
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>>156720329
>blue prometheus
glad they fixed it for the actual episode
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>>156720469
You came to the wrong neighborhood wemb.
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>>156720438
Stop posting this, we know he won't get his life stolen by Big Mom
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>>156720498
>big mom considers germa a higher threat than the strawhats

I wonder if she's under the impression that Luffy is actually worried about fighting her.
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>>156720462
Why didn't he see Sanji dodge the bean then?
Also CoO means you can sense intent right? Doesn't that mean he knew Pudding, the Father, and Katakuri were all about to assassinate him? Did he time the dodge so the bean would kill the father while also charming Pudding on purpose? The man.
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So when and why did it change from Totto Land Arc to Whole Cake Island Arc?
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>>156720644
It's likely that Katakuri can't predict a future in which he interferes. Or maybe he had to act quick, I don't know.

Anyways, yes, Sanji would have avoided Pudding's shot (the one he was expecting), as well as the Father's. Katakuri shooting the bean shows that he's not only that good at CoO, but also at moving fast to avoid getting hit.

I'm not so sure about him knowing it would hit the Father, though, everything happened way too fast. Although it's not like, as kind as he's shown to be, he would have a huge grugde against killing enemies.
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>>156720644
He did lean forward towards Pudding so his head would be directly in front of the fathers, where the Father was in between the two of them before.
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>>156720644
Because Katakuri interfered with the future thus changing it you dunce. The future where Sanji dodged his bean didn't exist until Katakuri made the decision to interfere and shoot the bean at him in the first place.
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How do you think Morgans reacted when he heard about the Impel Down Breakout Team?
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Dressrossa was short considering Oda had planned a Doflamingo arc AND a dwarves arc.
He messed up the pacing because of serveral reasons:
1. Having to connect both plots in a coherent story
2. Introducing a massive ammount of characters (Doffy family, future SH Fleet, Riku royalty, Fujitora, dwarves...)
3. Flashback abuse: Doffy's, Law's, Rebbeca's, Riku and Kyros, Chinjao's... even fucking Señor Pink)
4. Abuse of clusterfuck fights
5. Too many 'peak moments' in fights: so many that by the end most of us weekly readers just wanted the arc to end,
>Oh Sanji v. Doffy!!!
>Oh Fuji Law Doffy!!
>Oh Luffy v. Chinjao!
>Oh Doffy shot Law
>Oh Luffy v. Doffy again
>Oh mmm Luffy v. Bellamy...
>Oh Doffy v. Luffy yet again...
>Oh Gear 4th...!
>Oh 5 minutes rest...
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>Big Mom has 3 homies
>3 rocket launchers
Really makes me think...
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>>156720812
This is Big News!
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>>156720840
He messed up the pacing because of one reason:
1. Birdcage
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>>156718926
>Pudding will rewrite Sanji as the hero of the event in Morgan's memories
>Sanji will go above Usopp
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>>156718926
He is the happiest birg in the world
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>Big Mom is voiced by Arale/Launch
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>>156720019
This. Training CoO is like leveling resistance in Dark Souls 1.

>Luffy trains the 3 colors
>CoC allows him to one shot massive armies and to tame seakings
>CoA gives him a hard as fuck armor, stronger attacks, red hawk and motherfucking G4
>CoO... uuuugh… Dodging some attacks from weak enemies and understanding animals

>Zoro trains mosty his CoA
>Fucking unbreakable haki black sword that cuts everything
>he can even cut other haki armors

>Sanji trains mostly his CoO
>jobs
>get his leg broken by hitting other haki armors
>jobs
>jobs again
>dodge a bean
>but then keeps jobbing
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>>156719851
Where do those even come from?
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>>156720655
Because Totto Land doesn't roll off the tongue very well and most of the arc has been set on Whole Cake Island
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>>156720615
>implying he won't sacrifice himself to help everyone escape WCI
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>>156720997
Zoro couldn't land a single attack on Sanji post skip prove me wrong. Zoro has always been somewhat slow, and Sanji's CoO is off the charts now. He would dodge Zoro's attacks like Enel dodged Luffy's. But Zoro doesn't have the ability to attack randomly so he'd never land a hit.
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>>156720962
and balalaika
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>>156720925
>1. Birdcage

Seriously, that shit was not fucking needed. It was a bigger momentum killer than the the Gold ball in the middle if the Enel fight
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>>156719318
What about Sanji with knives?
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>>156721087
>Anon talks about 3 colors and how useful they can be
>Suddenly Sanji vs Zoro
Fucking stop this shit
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Bartolomeo can beat Megallan 1 v 1 easy.
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>>156721225
Yeah. Especially since we don't even know how strong Sanji is right now (after more than 6 fucking years of manga releases).
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>>156721225
This is about the colors. He said CoO is useless. I'm saying it's not useless because even though Zoro has much better CoA he couldn't hit someone with amazing CoO like Sanji has. Ergo CoO is better.
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>>156721131
That just made me sad that we are never going to get a conclusion to Black Lagoon.
Feels bad man.
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>>156721314
I thought it was finally coming back from hiatus soon?
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>>156721341
It is?
My day just got a whole lot better!
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>>156721087
>Zoro couldn't land a single attack on Sanji post skip prove me wrong
CoO is useless if you lose your concentration. Most CoO enemies until now ended committing an error.
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>>156720269
Much, much better.
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>>156720997
>Dark Souls
>Dex vs Str
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>>156721372
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-04-07/rei-hiroe-black-lagoon-manga-resumes-on-may-19/.114546
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>>156720469
Looks like we are up for 70 episodes of filler. Nice.
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>>156720997
You now remember that the Strawhats were able to defeat CoO users even without haki pre-timeskip
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>>156720840
>Dressrossa was short considering Oda had planned a Doflamingo arc AND a dwarves arc.

I don't see why the dwarves would have been important enough to warrant their own arc when their major contribution was in Dressrosa anyways.
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>>156719758
It's never been stated that he's immune to Magellans normal poison.

Also, he had no exposure to Kinjite (red poison), a different variety.

Magellan could poison Luffy and would probably still defeat him unless Luffy had a protective layer against poison.
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>>156721468
WUT
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>>156721475
You now remember Bellamy can use CoA
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>>156719360
>newfaggotry
>>>/out/
We call it niggastream for a reason famalam.
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>>156721527
>magellan is more powerful than doflamingo or really any other post-impel down big bad
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Has a single panel inspired more shitposting?
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>>156721302
>This is about the colors. He said CoO is useless. I'm saying it's not useless because even though Zoro has much better CoA he couldn't hit someone with amazing CoO like Sanji has. Ergo CoO is better.
If this was true, the shawhats would have been assassinated by the Skypiea priest. CoO does not assure you not getting hit.
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>sanji jobbed again
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>>156721651
I forgot that Vergo was a jobber too
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>>156721651
Vergo really was a waste.
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>>156721651
Nah, Smoker did. He invented jobposting
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>>156721746
i still think that he was the 2nd strongest fighter in doffy's crew.
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>>156721736
h-hey he dodged a bean!
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>>156721672
The Skypiea priests were a bunch of retards. And the Strawhats did job repeatedly to them. Actually Luffy and Usopp would have been killed by Sattori if Sanji didn't kill him by smashing his skull.
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>>156721651
>SAD
is Oda a prophet of the memes
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>>156721623
Not necessarily more powerful, but his DF ability is one of the strongest in the series and lets him beat people who don't have a work around.

If he's not that strong, then let's see Doffy escape Impel Down.
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>>156721651
>Fluids spill out of machinery
>Blood and guts doesn't spill out of Haki man

one piece is bullshit
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Is the World Economic Times fake news?
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>>156721872
Law is using his power though, right?
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>>156721863
Doffy is chained in sea stone.

He wouldn't escape impel down if gaimon was the warden.
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>>156721863
>comparing completely different circumstances
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>>156718883
>Jinbe is officially a crewmember now
Just like Vivi
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>>156721837
>Luffy and Usopp would have been killed by Sattori if Sanji didn't kill him by smashing his skull
Sanji was only able to hit him because Luffy was holding him still him still
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>>156721837
>The Skypiea priests were a bunch of retards
The only retarded one was Gedatsu
The other ones got catched by surprise, proving that CoO isn't as effective as you claim
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>>156721986
Vivi would've been if she wanted it. Jinbe already said that he does
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>>156721922
>>156721953
Listen Doffyfags, my boy Magellan-dono would wipe the floor with Doffy. Doffy is barely a Yonko Commander level and Magellan effortlessly BTFO the entire Blackbeard Pirates.
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>>156721918
What about it?
Does his power "protect" people and not machines?
Or did he choose to 'protect' haki man?
Why would he choose that? Why not just kill him?
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>>156722033
>CoA is all powerful
Just because people with CoO (Shit CoO comparatively) have been defeated doesn't mean it's ineffective. Plenty of people with CoA have been beaten too. CoO saved the Dressrossa when Usopp used it to snipe scare Sugar? Was that useless?
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>>156722183
Sugar getting revived was an asspull.
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is pudding going to awaken her eye powers in combo with her fruit erase that this event even happened?
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>>156722111
my point is that 'lets see if doffy escapes impel down' is a retarded point. I couldn't care less about your shitty powerlevel discussion.
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>>156722216
>getting revived
Are you trying to imply she died or something? She was just unconcious you retard
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>>156721872
This is still a manga for 12 year olds anon, to expect blood and gore from it is retarded.
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>>156719483
yeah it's called death
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>>156722316
When people get knocked out during an arc they generally stay down. People rarely die, they just get knocked out and then don't appear again.

Sugar was already defeated. Having her come back and then having Usopp defeat her the same way was stupid and unnecessary.

Moments like that are why Dressrosa went on twice as long as it should have.
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>>156722111
I could probably beat Doffy too if he had seastone cuffs on. The big question that should be asked is how Magellan's poison interacts with Haki.
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>>156721908
No, it's big news
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>>156722183
>Just because people with CoO (Shit CoO comparatively) have been defeated doesn't mean it's ineffective
And our CoOboi is jobbing, just like our CoOstrawhat. See >>156719813

>Plenty of people with CoA have been beaten too
By people with a better CoA

>CoO saved the Dressrossa when Usopp used it to snipe scare Sugar? Was that useless?
>dude, I can snipe a little girl, CoO stronk
We are talking about raw fighting skills here. If this is your better example, I feel sorry for you.
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Reminder that CoA is obviously the only form of Haki useful in 1vs1 fights
Also that Tashigi would've died if not for Sanji's CoO
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>The Vinsmokes kids were genetically engineered to be superhuman soldiers and leaders
>somehow have no sense of self-preservation or survival
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>>156722600
Wait until Ichiji reveal his logia fruit.
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>>156722330
Remember when Luffy bleed when he punched Krieg's spike armor?
He used his own blood against Crocodile.

good old days
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>>156722033
Not him, but that's like saying CoA isn't useful because it can be powered through, and has been by pre-TS Luffy. Satori was caught by surprise and lost concentration. He wasn't even using it essentially in that moment of weakness.

The best defense is still to avoid getting hit in the first place, especially against an opponent with greater or equal CoA. CoO is very good here.

CoO (and Luffy's soru spam) was also the only thing preventing him from getting caught in Doflamingo's parasite. And you'd need CoO for a lot of bullshit like this. It's no coincidence that he finally got a hold on Luffy as his haki was recovering.

CoO is also ironically the only way Sanji was able to reasonably dodge both the jelly bean and the priest. Anything less and that person would have had an embarrassing candy themed death. People are just focusing on Katakuri here but it's basically the CoO version of powering through a nigger mode character.

Still think CoA is best haki but people saying CoO isn't useful are full of it. I bet they were the same fags who whined about parasite not being used on Luffy.
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>>156720925

Birdcage was fine because it gave everyone who could've helped take Doffy down something to do. Bellamy on strings and Sugars fruit having memory erasing powers was way more annoying for me.

>not a single Dressrosan looked at a family photo and wondered who the fuck the other people were
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>>156722159
The human body is considered a single entity by laws of the One Piece universe while the recipients and his contents are two distinct entity.
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>>156722600
Seriously

The vinsmokes make 0 sense and suck ass
>legendary soldier/spy/whatever nation
>their king is retarded and trusted big mom absolutely
>and also his army can apparently be controlled by whatever dumbfuck holds the keys, making him and his unnecessary

>his kids are "without emotion" to be the ultimate soldiers
>but they can get happy about being hugged by Dad, or annoyed that Sanji was able to kick them in the face, or pissed at some bitch's cooking or some shit, or cruel enough to bully sanji through some girl, or enjoying beating up sanji
>also they don't give af about dying (although this could be because they can't do anything about it so who cares)

Sanji's the best of them which is sad for them
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>>156722462
>Snipe a little girl
>From across a small country
Yeah it was a pretty minor feat
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>>156720086
I finished watching One Piece right as the manga was starting Dressrosa. It's been so long since then that I have to say I'm glad this arc isn't going to be nearly as long.
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>>156722600
Those superhuman powers are useless against fucking candy.
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>>156720997
>dodge a bean

I love sanji but this made me laugh
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>>156722751
people looked at kyros statue and wondered who the fuck he was.
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>>156720997
It was a powerful bean. Quit minimizing the bean you jerk.
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>>156722159
Did you forget what his power does to living things? You can't make chimeras if it's just a regular slice and has them bleeding all over the place. Law dismembered him and left him to explode anyway though.
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>>156722751
They were idiots.
All they should do going into the factory or into the coliseum because they were made from seasone so Birdcage would be useless against them.

But no, they started to push and hold those fuckig strings back.
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>>156722778
>with a giant slingshot and ordinance as big as your fucking head

For just getting it, Usopp's CoO is fucking nuts.
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>>156722436
>I could probably beat Doffy too if he had seastone cuffs on
Literally "I could probably beat a tiger"
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>>156722436
Jinbei, Ivankov etc all had haki. It's not possible to protect yourself from his poison with haki.
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>>156722747
>Still think CoA is best haki but people saying CoO isn't useful are full of it
We think the same, really. I know that CoO isn't useless, but god damn it feels so weak when compared to CoA.

>I bet they were the same fags who whined about parasite not being used on Luffy.
Nah, I'm just bored, so I decided to shitpost a little bit anout CoO. Actually, I'm disgusted how OP CoA is.
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>>156721872
>>156722746
Law had his arm sawed off in Dressrosa and iirc there was a good amount of blood. Also some blood is a big difference from a slice like that if it weren't Law's Room.
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>>156722925
And it was threw a tiny tiny window on the side of a huge castle.
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>>156722330
Some Shonen autors have the balls to draw gore. Just not Oda.
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>>156723063
And Whitebeard getting half of his face taken off
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>>156723065
We don't know yet, we're waiting for Vegapunk to give us the rundown
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>>156723072
There is gore in One Piece. It just doesn't have the effect that it should. People can get riddled with bullets or stabbed and chopped up over their whole body and be fine from 2 weeks of bed rest.
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>>156723063

Still don't get it why was needed Leo's and Manshelly's help.
Law can attach literally everything to everything, added animal legs for PH people, yet he couldnt reattach his own fucking hand.
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>>156722396

Sugar was by far the worst thing about dressrosa. Well maybe rebecca was kind of close. Remove those 2 aspects and have Doffy just be ruling over a terrified populace of non toys. God I hated that plot point.
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Asking a surgeon to do a surgery with one hand
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>>156723031
>how OP CoA
Who cares? Everyone has it. So, it's like no ones do. Except logia can get damaged.
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>>156723166
this
Injuries don't matter in this universe

Zoro almost cut through his entire leg but was fine in that candle island whatever thing

Sanji's leg fractured but whatever during his fight with Haki Man
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>>156722768
>Sanji's the best of them
But Reiju still exists
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>>156723065
>>156723138
I wonder why Zoro didn't steal Funkfried from Spandam. It would have been cool.

Could Zoro still get a Sword that eats a Devil Fruit in the future as a power-up?
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>>156723166
sanji's nosebleed was probably the worst thing
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>>156723166
It's still very mild. I don't blame Oda that much though, I know he wants to please as much people as he can. And gore can be untasteful for some people. Plus it doesn't suit the story that much.
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>>156723246
He could, but he wouldn't
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>>156723250
Sanji's nosebleeds piss me off
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>>156723217
Zoro still has scars from that at least.
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>>156723193
Why? It's a fantastical way to remove your political opponents which is a component of any dictatorship. I liked it. It's also really fucked up, in a intresting way.
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Daifuku is so great, I really hope that BM doesn't go down this arc so all these fun characters can join later on Wano's big war.
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>>156723065
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>>156723138
2 of Vegapunk's former colleagues are in BM's place right now, it would be great if he appears later to save Judge and Caesar from BM
s wrath
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>>156722916

They should've just went and helped kill Doffy, would've solved the problem quicker.
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>>156723363
>I really hope that BM doesn't go down this arc so all these fun characters can join later on Wano's big war.

How would that work?
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>>156723250
>>156723296
I never really minded the nosebleeds until FI when it actually became a plot point.
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>>156723406
Looks like he just pulled his hand outta Big Moms snatch
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>>156723397
Seriously, is there a Doffyfag out there who'll tell me that Doffy could've taken a healthy Zoro, Sabo, and Fuitora after getting fucked up by Gamma Knife and Leo Bazooka?
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Birdcage as a plot device was really cool. It just din't make any sense for Doffy to be able to do that.
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Will she fight Smoothie or Compote?
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>>156723462
Sabo and Fujitora would've solo'd him even if he was still fresh. Burgess would've given him a lot of problem.
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>>156723465
Anon

But anon

STRINGS
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>>156723414
Manage to escape somehow with all the Vinsmokes, Bege's plan works but doesn't kill BM, meaning that she must recover. Alternatively the Tamatebako makes her snap and her crew has to stop her giving the SHs an opening.

Later during Wano, Big Mom arrives wanting revenge on the SHs, making for a three way battle that's bigger than Marineford.
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>>156723270
I think also Oda is kind of saving gore. Like because there is so little real gore when he does gorily kill some one it has extra effect.
>Mfw WB got his guts filled with magma
>Mfw Ace had his entire chest removed
Next time someone important gets it, it will be brutal. Oda is saving the gore thats my theory.
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>>156723414
>How would that work?
>In the middlle of the fight againts Kaido's men
>Suddenly a Big Storm appears
>Bib Mom and his gang of weet Cronies out of nowhere
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STRAWHAT WHERE'S MY CAKE
There you have it
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>>156723465
Why wouldn't it?
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doffy >cracker
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>>156723361
As stated here>>156722751

Memory erasing was just too much of an asspull. It would've been cool if all the toys were slaves with no connection to the citizens of dressrosa.
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>>156723497
I don't think Sabo beats Doffy 1 on 1. Doffy was too tanky. In the grand scheme of OP, the Mera Mera is a pretty mediocre offensive fruit
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>>156720007
>daughter_reader_x_dad_mihawk
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>>156723531
Luffy would be dead in that scenario no matter who's helping him
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>>156723507

Kings Haki infused strings was a good enough explanation. It just bugs me that people were bothering trying to slow it down instead of fucking up Doffy
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>>156723565
Sabo is the Katakuri/Marco of his own organization and probably the future opponent of Akainu. Doffy isn't in the same league.
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>>156723647
They had to save all the old and crippled people in Dressrossa because One Piece arcs have happy endings.
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>>156723596
Wrong. You forget how territorial Yonkou are. Big Mom showing up with an armada will be viewed as an act of aggression and will promptly divert Kaidous attention, which might give the Strawhats enough room to do whatever and get out
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>>156719409
With that attitude he doesn't get laid, that's pretty realistic.
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>>156723565

We don't even know what Sabo is capable of, all we've seen is him possibly stalemate an admiral and stomp Jesus to near death.
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>>156723534
Because if he's able to do that. He's also able to make giant indestructible "clone" of himself and control it from the inside (similar to Tesoro). The fact that even Issho and Zoro part weren't able to cut them is fucking retarded.
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>>156719264
only her third eye shows her true emotions and that was hidden back then.
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>>156723670
Doffy make laughing stocks of the WB commanders that he faced. Marco wasn't all too impressive during the war either. He just had the best defensive fruit we've seen so far in the series to heal from all the hits he took

>probably the future opponent of Akainu.

If it isn't in a 2 on 1 with Luffy he doesn't stand a chance. We've already seen that Akainu is a bad matchup for the Mera mera
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eternal torture for Sugar
have Pudding by your side, and now the steps
>tell Sugar, her sister is dead
>wait until she passes out whil screaming and crying
>erase her memory with Pudding's ability
>wait until she recovers

now repeat these steps
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>>156723817
Nice thumbnail asshole
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>>156723827
Sabo is way stronger. Doffy is low end yonko commander. Just stop Doffyfag.
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>>156723778
I mean he should be able to do that. I feel like it's the other way around. Bird Cage makes sense, especially with Devil Fruit Awakening, but everything else doesn't.
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Cracker > Doffy

guaranteed replies
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>>156723778
Gold had me convinced that Oda planned for Doffy to do something like that but the arc dragged on long enough.
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>>156723777
>>156723876

I never said he gets BTFO. I just don't see his skillset working well against Doffy

Why do these threads forget that the most important indicator of how a fight will go in OP is looking at how two characters' abilities match up with one another rather than HURR POWER LEVELS ADMIRAL LEVEL YONKO LEVEL?
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>>156723842
go home Sadie-chan, you are drunken
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>>156723937
>turn the armor he's occupying into strings

gg
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>>156723937
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>>156723923
Doffy being indestructible make sense? No, it doesn't, he's clearly not portrayed as strong as that.
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>>156723979
>these threads forget that the most important indicator of how a fight will go in OP
Because it's not true. Put Big Mom or Kaido against anyone and they will still win. It's a factor but clearly not the "most important indicator".
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>>156723520
No it's just too disgusting and such, there was an SBS asking why you don't see Buggy's insides when he splits.
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>>156723827

>Doffy make laughing stocks of the WB commanders

Only commander he got involved with was Jozu and both appeared later on completely unharmed.

You're vastly overestimating what went down, all he did was stop him momentarily with his strings and we later see Jozu out of them. Did he break out? Did Doffy let him go? Who knows.

The entire Marine Ford fight left a lot of ambiguous questions on just who can do what.

All we saw in the forms of attacks from Jozu was him shoulder tackling Crocodile and Kuzan causing them to bleed alittle and him throwing rocks then he lost his arm. Poor bastard had awful showings.
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>>156723842
yamero
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>>156724001
>implying Doffy can manipulate the product of someone else's DF
Nice headcanon
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>>156724160
Jozu also proved himself to be immune to basically any physical attack. So, Doffy with his weak strings as his only way to attack has a terrible match up.
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>>156719779
The rainbow not being anything special, or even have a name, is a crime.

Come on, Oda
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>>156724242
An anon saw him in one of the panel in the last chapter. He's probably going to fuck up people up once Big Mom break loose.
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Bege said Katakuri looked pale but it's black and white so it doesn't really have much effect in my opinion.
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>>156724129
Big Mom is already proof of this

Just look at her fight with Brook. By no means should he be remotely close to her level but because his Yomi fruit was a good matchup with her soul fruit, he was able to injure Zeus and Prometheus in a way that nobody ever had before
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>>156723467
Demon Lady Amade
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>>156724242
he appeared a few times in the latest chapter

he's a on a cloud above the wedding venue
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is Bege read like "Be-geh" or like "Beige"?
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>>156724160
>Only commander he got involved with was Jozu and both appeared later on completely unharmed.
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>>156724332
rip carrot then
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>>156724369
Who the fuck cares about him? He isn't a top tier...
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>>156724369

Who in God's name is that guy and how
Is he supposed to be on level with Marco?
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>>156724176
he was able to controll devil fruit user
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>>156724369
I can't imagine Doffy pulling this bullshit on Cracker or Jack...why was Whitebeards crew so weaksauce, goddamn?
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>>156720236
>Oda said that Brook was the fastest of the crew in the latest SBS.

When it comes to all characters, that fat fuck from Shanks crew was also suposed to be really fast?
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>>156724361
https://youtu.be/RNrv-vDBAv8?t=3
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>>156724176
>implying he arbitrarily can't

That's also headcanon until we see or hear otherwise. Should be an SBS question.
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>>156724431
couldn't control if he would be non-solid

couldn't do shit against Crocodile
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>>156724001
But Cracker can just make more biscuits, and since Doffy is using his awakened ability, and Cracker is only using his standard ability, Doffy will run out of stamina faster.

And anyway, in panels showing Cracker using his devil fruit, the biscuits seem to rise up from the ground rather than his body, and he says he is a master craftsman, which would suggest that he too is awakened.

And anyway, there is plenty of evidence which shows Cracker is stronger than Doffy. Gear 4th Luffy is undeniably stronger than Doffy, Doffy couldn’t keep up with it, whereas Luffy hardly even bothered to use Gear 4th to fight Cracker. He pretty much had to spend the full 11 hours running away because he knew that he couldn’t hurt Cracker. It was only until Luffy upgraded into Tankman, and Cracker made a mistake, that Luffy was able to win.
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>>156724408
>>156724429

>D: About the Whitebeard Pirates, if there are pirates from the "Whitebeard ally groups", is there a possibility of one of them becoming a commander of the real Whitebeard Pirates itself? Or are the commanders all from the real Whitebeard Pirates from the beginning? P.N. amanuts

>O: Ok, I'll explain a little about the Whitebeard Pirates. First, captain Whitebeard and the 16 commanders. All 16 commanders, despite numbers and ages have the same rank. All the same. Whitebeard Pirates are just split in 16 groups and the division number does not indicate strength.
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>>156724487
he will take down Kaido
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>>156724176
It's not like a logia's element or Luffy simply being rubber. Cracker creates an object separate from himself.
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>>156724528
And? Doesn't mean they are all at the same lvl.
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>>156721372

It will resume hiatus as soon as hiroe gets butthurt again and goes back to drawing porn.
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>>156724562
It doesn't mean they aren't either.

We saw Doffy manhandle two commanders with his strings
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>>156724431
>>156724502
Yeah, it was epic when he transformed Luffy's rubber body into strings, right?
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>>156724638
See
>>156724559
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>>156723379
Vegaboy has his hands full already with WG projects. Not like he can just say "hey guys I'm going to take a walk to Totland just to have a quick chat with my boys"

The Tenryuubito have him by the balls
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>>156724559
That would be rather retarded.
>oh I can't manipulate sand because of no reason, but those cracker soldiers oh boy, they had it coming
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>The state of Judge
Made quite a 180° this chapter
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>>156719810
This. Zoro's goal is to become the world's strongest swordsman and he spends all day training. Sanji's goal is to find the all blue and he spends all day cooking. Sure, Sanji can be strong, but he'll never be able to keep up with Zoro
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>>156724638
Cracker isn't biscuit. He makes biscuit.
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>>156724610

>It doesn't mean they aren't either.

So you're saying Water Buffaflo and Jozu are on equal levels?
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>>156724719
They certainly fare about equally well against Doffy's powers
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>>156724655
Where is the difference? When Enel shoots a lightning bolt, is it then still part of his body? Or when Akainu shoot Magma around, is it not separate from him after he discards it?
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>>156723842
fuck you
>>
I've really come to like Bege t b h
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>>156724559
Yes but Cracker is also able to freely manipulate that object. And since that object is Cracker's devil fruit substance, why would Doffy be able to manipulate that object more than Cracker? Surely Cracker would have greater control over it?
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>>156724707
>mfw Judge made an almost 1:1 crying Wojack face
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>>156724707
360°*
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>>156724746
Logia is a fine line but the key difference is >>156724717
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>>156724707
>BIG NEWS!: Judge is revealed to be a big bitch!
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>>156724815
He has still control over what he makes which effectively puts him above Logias in that aspect. Akainu can't shoot a Magma hand and then later use it from far away. Cracker can literally send his soldiers anywhere.
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>>156719813
It's not useful in a giant clusterfuck yes but if it was only himself he had to worry about he would wipe the floor with everyone it's fucking scary how strong this power can be.
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>>156724810
WUT
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>>156724784
>Surely Cracker would have greater control over it

See, that I can understand. That's probably the case as in Cracker could probably fight off the effects of Doffy's awakening thing but otherwise they should turn into string just fine without resistance. This Awakening stuff is poorly defined right now but if it's anything like haki then it's probably not done without a fight or clash of wills. But that's a lot different than saying Doffy simply can't do it at all because it's from another DF user.
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>>156724489
Thanks. So it's like Bitch? Damn.
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>>156725011
>but otherwise they should turn into string just fine without resistance
Clearly not, otherwise he could have made Crocodile's sand turn into strings. Just because Croc can turn into sand and shit, doesn't mean it's not a byproduct of his power.
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>Ace got fisted by lightning in the new death battle
Holy shit the tears in the comments are fucking glorious what do you think about this lads?
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>>156718926
Will Morgan be the subject of the new great shitpost when Zorofag retires?
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>>156724361
Bejji
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>>156725102
literally who gives a shit
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Big News!
Never forget the canon.
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>>156725102
Good, he fucking deserves it
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>>156719467
Sanji hasn't done anything remotely impressive post-timeskip.
>Zoro fodderises Fishman Island's strongest swordsman and Pica in his ultimate form like its nothing.
>Sanji defeats some nameless fishman shield fodder, fights Wadatsumi but its a 2v1 with Jinbe, breaks his leg against Vergo and gets fodderised by Doffy.
Sanjifags are so desperate to see him do something impressive that all it takes is for him to use Haki against Katakuri for them to freak out.
>Sanji will 1v1 Katakuri, 1 billion bounty man, Sweet Commander and Big Mom's second child.
>Katakuri completely ignores him.
>Some other dude gets introduced and sends Sanji flying in a single hit.
When will Sanjifags finally understand. Sanji is a shit.
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>>156725102
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>>156725102
After Ichiruki and Ash vs. Alain happened at the same time in August, tears stopped being as delicious as before. Too much of it and it gets really boring.
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>>156725258
I wish I also had superpowers by rubbing myself.
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>>156724784
>would Doffy be able to manipulate that object more than Cracker? Surely Cracker would have greater control over it?
with that logic doffy can't control people because own body >doffy
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>>156725262
>>156725221
Apperntly a lot of people because Natsu doesn't have haki and ace knows all type of haki because he was whitebeards second divison commander
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>>156725102
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>>156720329
>implying
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>>156724487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdM7PV5kako
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>>156725383
>You will never see a full power Zebra
Thanks for fucking reminding me faggot
>tfw reading the cooking festile for the first time and he solos all the fucking nitros
It's sad knowing Apoo won't be as based with his sound fruit as Zebra was with his sound power
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>>156725359
>with that logic doffy can't control people because own body >doffy
Not really. It's willpower vs. willpower. Fujitora and G4 Luffy easily escaped his grasp.
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>>156720110
BEST SUN all the way.
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>>156725383
>>156725294
>>156725262
>>156725221
>>156725102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCzUMUbTKes&lc=z12xyregkmbwy1uk4223v11hxzjytxxha04.1493836959855376
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>>156725548
I don't give a shit man
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>>156719813
Stop reee i'm supposed to be the cooposter
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>>156725548
>gets told to fuck off cause no one cares
>still tries to push his shit
are you a shill or what? fuck off
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>>156724487
That one guy tanked a hit from him and ended up fine after being knocked out

This show is bullshit
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https://youtu.be/lCzUMUbTKes
Kek
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Judge eyebrow reveal when?
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>>156725548
>>156725788
STOP
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>>156725548
>>156725788
Are the vids not getting enough views lately? You gotta come all the way to fucking /a/ to shill your shit?
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What are you people hoping for with Judge?

I'm hoping he
>gets rescued by Sanji, which is heavy with irony
>then gets beat up and killed by his own sons for being weak and stupid, which is also heavy with irony


Either that or he has a plan he isn't telling anyone
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I want to motorboat big mom.
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>>156725921
I unironically hope he kills himself he is a fucking failure of a man.
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Based Seagull
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>>156725548
>doesn't even know how to make a short link
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>>156725987
I didn't read the comment so it came as a surprise

hahahahahaha
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Are we ever going to get a wood or nature fruit in one piece? Ever since watching yu yu hakusho as a kid Kurama and plant/nature poers have always been my favorite but there isn't any in one piece yet and it's kinda sad. What are the chances of green bull having it?
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>>156725987
Fucking kek
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>>156725548
>>156725788
>chief beats doomguy

still mad
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>>156725987
And a new meme is born.
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>>156725987
I was the anon who asked for this yesterday, Thank you kindly.
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>>156726057
We've had two non-canon ones and Robin's (which doesn't fucking count by the way)
Mansherry's does sort of count though
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>>156726057
Z had that bullshit mosa mosa guy who shouldn't have been able to avoid Robin's grapple. Not canon though.
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>>156719318
Zoro without swords >>>>> Sanji without feet
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>>156726218
>>156726209
Considering oda all ready used two filler fruits in this arc alone I now have faith.
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>>156724332

are carrot and chopper by themselves a capable team?

>the strawhat pets
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>>156725102
>Dead side character loses to still fucking developing MC

No shit.
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>>156726238
Sanji is physically superior to Zoro. Zoro's advantage is that he uses weapons, which is basically always an advantage.
If Sanji didn't fight unarmed without using his hands Zoro would stand 0 chance.
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>>156719318
NO for Zoro it's cheating!! Other characters like my favorite Sanji can use martial arts but ZORO IS A CHEATER!! NO WEAPONS!!

Sanji the 8th Warlord >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luffy >>>> Zoro
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>>156726466
sanji would never beat zoro with any weapon, unless it's a ceasar made weapon.
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>>156724332
Carrot MVP
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>>156719483
The sleeping super genes are going to awaken.
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wish sanji would start using guns, the crew doesn't have any and it would be cool af
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>>156726466
Zoro is constantly shown weight training and such, Sanji just stands around cooking mostly.
Still their rivalry is suppose to suggest they're incredibly close in physical strength. And the whole matter of haki hardening your limbs and weapons makes the question of using tools almost a non-issue. Zoro can send flying slashes, Sanji can fly by kicking the air. Doesn't seemingly work the other way around, Zoro doesn't fly, though maybe he can ride his tornado attacks if he really felt like it, and Sanji can't just throw a ranged kick, though kicking a rock or object as a weapon would seem pretty simple.
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One of the best things to come out of WCI.
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>>156726723
Usopp would be best for that but he doesn't wanna for some reason. Still it would be optimal for every character to have a gun on them as back up.
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>>156726746
Kaku used a ranged kick.
Sanji will use temptest kicks soon he is just keeping it in the bag
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>>156726466
You're giving Sanjifags a bad name, stop.
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>>156726466
>he uses weapons, which is basically always an advantage
You're so fucking dense. The entire point of Armament Haki is that you can coat your skin with a layer that lets you hit harder, but also protects your skin from harmful shit, ie. blades. The argument that Sanji is at a disadvantage is such a delusional Sanjifag argument. When both people know CoA, then the stronger person wins. Like Sanji v Judge. Judge used a blade, and yet Sanji was still stronger.
And you're basically saying that if Zoro doesn't use the thing that makes him strong, when Sanji can use the thing that makes him strong, then Sanji is stronger. Yeah no shit retard.
A true, fair comparison would be if they both used fists, since neither have trained in that area, and lets be real, Zoro would beat the shit out of Sanji.
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>>156726683
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isn't it about time the strawhats start to randomly find devil fruits? weird how they didn't come across any so far
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>>156726911
Just ignore it. It's like saying that Cracker isn't strong enough to be a Sweet Commander because his whole strenght comes from his fruit powers and how he uses them.
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>>156726466
Sanjifags everyone
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>>156726794
Kek, thanks anon.
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>>156726936
Zoro can casually cut through his opponent's swords. What makes you think he can't do the same with Sanji's knifes? They're fucking kitchen knives, they're not made for combat.
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>>156726936
they're only usefull against enemies who fight with food that can be dealt with using knives. he would get absolutely BTFO against cracker
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>>156726794
Post Morgans-edits randomly in different threads for the next few days. If you just dump them now they won't be as funny.
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>>156726466
I almost believe you're falseflagging as a Sanjifag so that people hate on him even more.
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>>156727042
>Implying Sanji couldn't use haki on his knives
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>>156726794
Where did the Japs get the idea of man vs. God? It's prevalent in jrpgs and anime.
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>>156718883
You're a fool if you think Jinbei is getting out of this scot free
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>>156726936
Dunno that he can coat such knives in haki with the same strength that Zoro does his swords since he's more of a kick fighter. But also he doesn't practice knife fighting, at best butchery which I highly doubt helps against a proper sword technique, even discounting the massive range disadvantage.
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>>156726508
https://youtu.be/3EVDQrDNk-k?t=1m35s
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>>156727095
Yeah, he most likely can, but they're still fucking kitchen knives anon. Zoro has legendary swords and specializes in CoA. You do the math.
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>>156727128
>He doesn't practice knife fighting
He is a master with handling knives in any way. He can slice and dice a massive dinosaur or sea monster in seconds senpai.
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>>156726936
pretty much, this why oda sealed sanji "hands"
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>>156727239
>[HEADCANON]
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>>156727176
The best one so far.
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>>156727155
best meme in this thread
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>>156727087
>>156727018
>>156726826
>Zorofags are this triggered
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>>156727098

Just read Vinland and Canutes speech about it made sense for the most part.

>god watches chaos on earth
>doesn't do shit
>offers eternal paradise for those that suck his dick enough
>fuck god, i will make paradise on earth
>even if i have to become a demon
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>>156727239
Are you talking about Zoro slicing Surume's tentacles? Sanji grilled his.
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>>156727318
I'm talking about Sanji gutting, boning, and finely preparing every animal or giant fish they have ever caught.
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Here's why Doffy is stronger than Cracker. Firstly, the Yonkos are said to be in a stalemate. This means that similar tier fighters must be more or less very close in strength. So an emperor matches an emperor, first mate a first mate etc. Therefore if Marco was the strongest, he's on the same level as Katakuri. If Jozu was the second or third strongest, he'd be on the same level as Smoothie or Cracker accordingly. Doffy effortlessly controlled Jozu in the Marineford War. If the real jozu was controlled by Parasite, then obviously Cracker clones would too because Jozu and Cracker are on the same level. Therefore Doffy wins.
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>>156727380
That's completely retarded reasoning. The commanders aren't even confirmed the strongest of the BM Kids simply because not everyone in the family is part of the crew.
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>>156727362
That's not fighting, that's just preparing already dead ingredients.
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>>156727433
Is this your first time reading shonen?
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>>156726710
they are awakened already, his legs catch fire without him spinning
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>>156727071
>>156726794
listen to this man
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>>156727380
wins the debate
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>>156727458
Is it yours?
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>>156727435
>Sanji is a master of fighting
>Sanji's hands are a master of cutting meat with knives
hmm I wonder how those two things might fit together
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>>156727311
>tfw Canute is my ancestor
Vinland is largely different. The MC is looking for an answer. Vinland isn't ignoring too much of western civilization either. No ~itadakimasu~ Englishmen.

I'm talking Japanese people. The ones without Christian or fedora past.
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>>156727380
>Firstly, the Yonkos are said to be in a stalemate
No, they aren't.
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I wish that I could turn back time
'cause now the guilt is all mine
can't live without the trust from those you love.
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>>156727530
No. But I'm sure it's yours. The bounties, the Sweet-3 title etc. point towards them being the strongest fighters in BM's crew and yet you're choosing to close your eyes to that.
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>>156727380
Doffyfags clinging to him sneaking up on someone and stopping them from moving for 2 seconds as if it means anything . It's pathetic really. He would get trashed by Cracker.
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>>156727380
But Luffy was able to escape Doffy's same Parasite string, when he wasn't even in Gear 4th, and G2&3 Luffy definitely isn't Yonko commander level.
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sorry
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>>156727649
>stopping them from moving for 2 seconds
Doffy had a chat with Croc whilst standing on Jozu. It was war and you're telling me that Jozu was willingly standing there. Nice argument anon
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>>156727176
What chapter is this ?
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>>156727633
And the actual manga makes it clear that they aren't necessary the strongest. Maybe stop speeadreading for once.

>bounties
Bounties aren't powerlevels, you double speedreader.

>Sweet-3 title
Doesn't mean shit in this context.
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>>156727666
Cracker is shit tier and Jozu is stronger than Cracker.
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why is sanji so nerved in one piece?

can't use his hands
can't hit women

oda probably made him to strong
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>>156727666
Aokiji would have permanently frozen Cracker.
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>>156727668
>>156727176
>>156727155
>>156725987
We gotta bring this meme to the front of google.
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>>156727763
>I am a Phoneposter
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>>156727716
>Doffyfags only argument is making someone immobile for a few seconds
OMG YONKO TIER!!!!
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>>156727666
Luffy escaped Parasite only because he transformed into G4. Pic related.
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>>156727737
Not him, but I seriously doubt that Oda would make a Commander as strong as a non-Commander.

They're still probably around a very similar level, though.
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>>156727668
gotta say this is hilarious
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>>156727738
Jozu was weaker than Don Kreig even when he had both of his arms
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>>156727894
It's easily explained by perospero not being in the actual crew, so no, it wouldn't be an asspull if Compote would turn out to be stronger than Smoothie.
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>>156727789
>Big Gay News
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>>156727737
This is exactly why I presumed this must be your first shonen. Bounties aren't power levels but they're a good indication of power levels for the most part. Exceptions are not the norm.
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>>156727608
Wasn't this bitch planning on kidnapping Pudding after the wedding to use her as a bargaining chip? With a plan like that, how could he be this surprised Big Mom had double-cross plans of her own?
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>>156727934
Do you have the equation pic? I lost it a while ago.
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>>156727858
>stronger Haki than Doffy
>can cut G4 unlike Doffy
>can create infinite number of super durable soldiers that can withstand G4
Hahahahaha Doffy's fucked

>b-but he snuck up on someone and they couldn't move
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>156727935
>Sanjifags go to this extent to defend Daifuku, a fucking Genie
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How would you feel if Sanji's operation allowed him to become a giant whenever he wants to? The whole gigantification plotline would come full circle.
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>>156727935
>implying perospero is stronger than the commanders when all we know is he is the first son who builds candy factories, candy stairs and traps the vinsmokes in candy.
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>>156727858
That's because that argument is necessary. It's canon and therefore must be considered right?
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>sweet commanders aren't the strongest of BM's crew
That's enough /a/ for today
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>>156727977
Nah, you just outed yourself as completely retarded.

>but they're a good indication of power levels
Not at all. Luffy would have bodied Jack the Jobber anytime, what does that mean? Absolutely nothing, because Bounties are worthless in this context.

There is literally not a single good reason to assume Perospero, Compote, Daifuku and Oven all have to be weaker than Smoothie and Katakuri.
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So did he sit back down and then get stuck by the candy? Shit doesn't make any sense.
All 5 of them should've stood up when the shit started.
oda is a hack.
HACK
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>>156727935
Perospero isn't shown to be stronger though.
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>>156728013
>stronger Haki than Doffy
citation needed
>can create infinite number of super durable soldiers that can withstand G4
they're not immune to parasite. so the more the soldiers, the more fucked cracker is.
>infinite
they're finite retard.
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>>156728165
>this is the intelligence of the OP fanbase
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>>156728145
I'm a Sanjifag and I'd really like to believe you, but I just can't. This is a shounen and a manga that Oda still says does for kids, so, even though bounties aren't indicative of power, positions within a crew/organization (like in Baroque Works) usually are.
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>>156728022
When did I mention Daifuku? Though him being somewhere near Katakuri and co. is clear.

>>156728041
>implying him not being in the crew somehow means he must be weaker
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>>156727864
>doffy is stronger than everyone pushing against the strings (including Zoro and the admiral) COMBINED

oda is a hack
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>>156728174
Doffy couldn't cut G4 Luffy
Cracker did it easily
Cracker has stronger Haki
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>>156725828
Sanji's eyebrows are kinda stupid
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>>156728171
Because we haven't seen him or Compote fight. At this point he could be anything, but the notion that he has to be weaker is plain wrong.

>>156728208
And the structure of BM's family (including the crew) was shown right here >>156727737. 6 heads, not 2.
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>>156728145
>Luffy would have bodied Jack the Jobber anytime
Nigger did you miss the line where I said exceptions are not the norm?
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QUICKLY: What's the best artstyle? Who has the best designs and who the worst among the crew?
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>>156728193
Does it make sense to you?
Enemies have just broken into your celebration, and you're all just sitting around instead of being soldiers ready for action
The only thing that shocks you is that someone would try to save your worthless son. Other than that you don't give a shit.

And then you sit back down even though shit is clearly about to hit the fan.

This game sucks
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>>156728165
This. It was at this point that I expected Judge to pull out a den den mushi and order his soldiers to start causing chaos and bring them their weapons, cuz shit was going DOWN. It'd have played out so much better
>Judge orders his sons to "assist" Big Mom Pirates
>secretly orders one of the 'ji's to grab pudding
>suddenly he gets shot
>cries big fake crocodile tears to buy time whilst his sons stare on blank-faced

Instead we have Germa looking more incompetent than fucking Baroque Works
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>>156719621
Jinbe dying posting should be a banable offense.
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>>156728211
That's how shonen logic works.
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>>156728298
>we haven't seen character fight therefore I can make completely baseless and retarded claims
"No"
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>>156728307
Chopper had the worst change over time
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>>156727380
>Firstly, the Yonkos are said to be in a stalemate. This means that similar tier fighters must be more or less very close in strength.

n-no...

discarded the rest of your post
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>>156728279
The problem with this logic is that we can conclude how fucking weak Croc is because he got rekked by luffy with no gears.

Except later we see him going toe to toe with Mihawk and Doffy (even if for just a little while)

Oda is an inconsistent hack, that's the only conclusion.
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>>156728302
But those arent "exceptions". Bounties are irrelevant. Chopper's bounty is 100 and he would still destroy every single East Blue Villian together. You're just a deluded powerlevelfag.
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>>156727730
Pottery
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>>156728372
nice argument anon
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>>156728279
it was a surprise attack on luffy's OUTSTRETCHED arm
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>>156728366
No, it doesn't. Entire Family > Crew.

>>156728367
How is it baseless when they were grouped together here >>156727737? You're the one having no arguments.
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>>156727789
I don't want normies touching my memes
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>>156728298
I mean, I do agree about them probably being around the same tier, but there's still this 4-man division (well, now 3) called Sweet Commanders, which would probably be the Marcos and such of BM.

So, even if you believe that they're the same, it would still be fair to think that those that are Commanders (and have gotten a bigger introduction because of that position, to the point where one was specifically sent to defeat Luffy) are going to be slightly more dependable in their strenghts.
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>>156728371
His face gradually got squished vertically.
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>>156728390
>Chopper's bounty is 100 and he would still destroy every single East Blue Villian together
That is called being an exception you dense motherfucker.
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>>156728375
No, Oda's writing is just too complicated for you. Go reread Alabasta + Impel Down and maybe you'll actually understand Croc's characters.
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>>156728307
2000 a best
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>>156719483
He doesn't need one. He's limited by the fact that he only uses his legs to attack since he considers his hands as a chef too valuable to waste but now he's in an entirely food based arena populated by people with food based powers. Sanji only needs a bunch of basic cooking utensils right now.
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>>156728487
Is it because he wasn't trying against luffy? I could believe that.
I mean I don't believe it, but I could.
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>>156728448
Well just a guess on my part but i think big news bird will make a round.
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>>156728413
Irrelevant G4 doesn't suddenly doesn't suddenly get weaker
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>>156728453
You can put it that way, if you want, but it still doesn't confirm nor suggest that the other four have to be weaker. It's like saying
>X can't be that strong when Y is a boxer
There's no real point.

The only thing one could probably argue is that Oven and Daifuku who had tho share a panel and fought Sanji and Pedro are weaker because of just that, but by that logic Compote and Perospero would be stronger.
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>>156728553
he's already on r/onepiece so it's just a matter of time
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>>156728307
croc basically went from a frankenstein monster look-alike to a dreamboat
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>>156728406
here's my argument: "stalemate" does not mean "equal strength"

there could be an asymmetric battlefield: perhaps one of the yonko has more political alliances, is better hidden, or has some other ability that makes confrontation difficult or discourages it
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>>156728307
Is there an updated version? It's been 5 years.
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>>156728375

Damn near all of Marine Ford's battles were pretty much off-screen that ended with Conclusions where both sides re-appeared unharmed.

Hell how did Hancock do against Smoker and Sentomaru.
What was Jozu doing with Aokiji before he got distracted.
What happened after the Doflamingo Jozu, and Crocodile deal.

I remember the Commanders trying to stall Akainu.
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>>156728472
>2 examples prove you wrong
>it's all exceptions!!

So Sanji with 177,000,000 Bounty can defeat Boa Hancock with her 80,000,000 Bounty you retard? Is Crocodile 100% weaker than Brook and Franky? Was Chinjao stronger than Luffy you fucking clown?
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>>156728307
>bon-chan zoro

kek
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>>156728390
Isn't that an exception?
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>>156728613
>croc basically went from a frankenstein monster look-alike to a dreamboat

law*
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>>156728279
You seem to be thinking G4 is consistent.

Let me explain to you utter faggots how shonen works.

A transformation is strongest when it is new, and just revealed.
Over time it grows weaker.

G4 luffy in Dressrosa is much stronger than G4 luffy here.
That's how it works.
>but that doesn't make sense
It's a bunch of ink on paper you nigger fuck
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>>156728625
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Do people seriously still not understand that bounties are used to hype up characters' strength?
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>>156728619
There isn't even a stalemate in the first place, dude. It has never been stated that they were in a stalemate. Instead it's been reinforced several times that they just do their own thing mainly.
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>>156728487
He is the big mastermind type?
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>>156728613
He lost weight in Impel Down
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>>156728650
>>156728640
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>>156728690
i dont remember asking you a goddamn thing
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>>156728640
shichibukai bounties are frozen so that's a pretty bad example if you're trying to make a point
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>>156728682
2006 and 2007 were so good holy scrap.
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>>156728669
I like how you had to pull a completely baseless assumption out of your ass. Try again please.
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Dorry and Brogy had 100kk Bounty. They must be stronger than Crocodile with his lousy 81kk!!
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>>156728640
The shichibukai have their bounties frozen. You must really be retarded to pick the exceptions trying to prove me wrong. Tamago has a bigger bounty than Pekoms and is stronger than him. Pekoms has a bigger bounty than Caribou and one shotted him. Smoothie has a bigger bounty than all of them and is also stronger. The SH bounties are lower because half of them didn't participate against Doffy and previous incidents were covered up by the marines.
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>>156728669
Its the other way round you fucking shitter. Luffy's Gear 4th will get stronger as the series progresses because he will get stronger, his haki will get stronger, and he will be able to stay in Gear 4th for longer because his haki reserves will increase. His Gear 4th against Cracker would've been stronger than his Gear 4th against Doffy, especially since Luffy had already gotten a beating before using Gear 4th in Dressrosa.
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>>156728625
I'd be willing to try to update it, but I'm not exactly sure what shots to use.

If anything I'm more put off by how some of the shots they used are sorta...bad for comparison purposes. I feel like I'd want to just remake the whole thing.
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>>156728669
>You seem to be thinking G4 is consistent.
Oh my fucking god the delusion of the Doffyfags. No, Cracker is just stronger than Doffy.
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>>156728669
dude these are some of the dumbest assumptions I've read on this site. Why wouldn't they get stronger, as the character does? They're weaker relative to the enemies they face but in themselves every gear should get strong as luffy uses them more
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>>156728753
How does that matter? They become Shichibukai after displaying their strength. So by your logic the last Bounty should display that strength.
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>>156728781
If you look at shonen all over the place that's exactly how it works

It's not out of my ass; it's just over time.

You see it when luffy starts using gears casually that beforehand he'd wait a long ass time to use.
And their debilitating effects on him start not to matter as much, if they ever even mattered in the first place.
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>>156728740
I don't remember asking you to reply.
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>>156728760
*crap
I like how Usopp's nose was right on your face before too.
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>>156728876
So you're telling me that Luffy's Gear 2nd was stronger when he used it against Blueno than it is now. Try again Doffyfag
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>>156728682
Maybe I just haven't been paying attention. Does nami wear reading glasses sometimes?
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>>156728854
but if it wasn't frozen it would be constantly growing depending on the feats you accomplish
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>>156728669
You realize it's been LESS THAN A WEEK at most since he used G4 in Dressrosa right?

But not that it matters, all of that is headcanon.

>b-but that's how it works
That's called circular logic and it's a fallacy.
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>>156728682

Time skip design was a horrible idea.
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Why wasn't there a new one last week?
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>>156728801
So Brownbeard is stronger than Bentham, you nigga? Is Ceasar Clown weaker than Cavendish? Is Pedro stroger than Hawkins and X Drake?
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>>156728889
I don't remember signing up to read this.
But then again I never signed up yohoho
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>>156728957
Only one that got worse is Franky, all others stayed the same or improved.
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>>156728689

It's a stupid way to messure strenght anyway.

A guy like Jack the jabber will have higher bounty than a guy who is more calm but less or a jabber.
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>>156728011
The fact of the matter here is that it's MUCH more physically difficult for someone to do what Krieg did, taking into account their postures and not taking into account the weights of the two things being lifted.

It's easier to lift with both arms and legs an object in front of you than it is to lift something with one arm on your side and standing straight.

On top of that, Jozu has secure footing and Krieg has no leverage because he's standing on a floating piece of wood. So not only is Krieg using only half of his body and no core strength, he's also doing it quickly enough to negate buoyancy.
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>>156728947
You don't seem to understand. Croc and Hancock's Bounties were quite low. How come they are Shichibukai if Bounties are Powerlevels by your logic?
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>>156728978
Pretty much all the rookies are going to be stronger than their bounties, because they're still growing fast. Luffy might be up at a billion at the end of this arc
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>>156728847
>>156728926
>doffyfags

I'm not even arguing that doffy is stronger/as strong as cracker.

Remember when Croc showed up and fought against doffy and Mihawk even though luffy beat him with no gears?
I guarantee you if doffy shows up again and fights with cracker he won't get one shotted by him, because of the way logic works, or rather, doesn't work, in this show.

>>156728830
>>156728949
>>156728852
you people just don't fucking get it, do you.
It's a cartoon, and that's just the fucking pattern of this author.
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>>156728999
robin and nami got worse too

and other people will say chopper
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>>156728682
The lines got thicker, the faces less expressive and less shadowing is being applied. Has his style become more personalized or less?
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Unrelated, but I think what bothers me most about 4th gear is that it's the only "gear" that is a full on form.
2nd gear just sort of enhanced what luffy normally did.
3rd gear just made those attacks bigger.
4th gear Kind of changes everything about how Luffy moves, attacks and fights. While I like it in short bursts, I'm really hoping the series doesn't start relying on it too often. I felt like 2nd and 3rd gear were more superfical changes but 4th Gear is a definite 'Form'.
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>>156728929
it's a panel from skypiea. can't even think of another time apart from an anime opening
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>>156729044
yes it's a cartoon and I have no idea what you're arguing
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>>156728876
>If you look at shonen all over the place that's exactly how it works
Not an argument, please provide a canon statement that supports your headcanon.

>And their debilitating effects on him start not to matter as much, if they ever even mattered in the first place
That means he's getting better at using it not weaker you fucking imbecile.
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>>156729091
correction: 4th gear is at least __two__ definite forms
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>>156729030
So 50% of the known Bounties prove that Bounties aren't powerlevels, but you're still gonna assume so, got it.
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>>156729029
because getting a 80 mil bounty is concidered impressive as a rookie
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>>156728926
Not that anon, but visually it kinda did get nerfed.

In the fight with Bluno Luffy was moving so fast that Bluno couldn't see him. Every attack shot like a bullet. Pistol hit like a bullet and Gattling was so fast it looked like Lucci was being pummeled by a torrent of air.

Now I'm not sure whether to blame power scaling (or at times how the anime portrays it) but there's a lot of times where luffy will enter 2nd gear and still be perfectly visible and somewhat avoidable. As if it doesn't even make luffy HALF as fast as it used to.
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>>156728999
>good
luffy
sanji
usopp
brook
>shit
zoro the weabo
franky, the whole design
nami, long hair
robin,
chopper "le cute"
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>>156728690
BM claimed that she'd have beaten the rest of the yonko with elbaf's help. this means that the yonko have it in the back of their mind. the fact that they aren't doing it means they can't which is what a stalemate is.
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>>156729067
I agree on Robin- and Nami's designs. Fine, Nami was always sexy but not in a deliberately fan-service way when she didn't want to be. Robin's hair looked good before. It looks greasy now.
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>>156729155
they're estimates based on recent history. If you're an established gun it might as well be your powerlevel. If you're a rookie then it was your powerlevel but is almost definitely an underestimate at any point.
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>>156729169
long hair nami was a mistake
she is the only character i prefer with short hair
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Bounties have always been used to give indications of power. Idiots who use them as pure power levels have just gotten people so triggered they now deny any correlation between the two.

Any difference resulting from something other than strength is usually explained pretty plainly to the reader.
>"btw kid has higher bounty than you cause he attacked civilians"
>"straw hats were MIA for 2 years so these bounties might be too low"
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>>156729099
basically my point is that trying to measure people's powers based on their previous performance against luffy based on his gear perfomances against them doesn't work.
Croc got beat by no gears luffy, but we see him go up against mihawk and doffy and not get annihilated immediately.

>>156729118
>super saiyan is the strongest in the universe
>now we've got like 8 different fucking super saiyan models or some shit
it's shit like this.
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>>156729169
Plantsopp was a mistake
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>>156729044
>It's a cartoon, and that's just the fucking pattern of this author.
There is no pattern. Only your headcanon.
>X is true
>why?
>because it is!!!
>why?
>because is!
This is you. No arguments. No proof. Nothing.
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>>156729172
Or BM is the weakest and any of the others could fuck her over if they really wanted.
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>>156729244
that's a serious inconsistency then and probably doesn't reflect the entire system as a whole. For the most part their strengths relative to Luffy should be consistent.

btw it's possible Croc got stronger
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>>156729257
Do you want me to give you examples?
I'd rather not go through the list, but if you REALLY think I'm just making shit up for fun on an imageboard, maybe I will
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>>156729094
The "2014" nami also has glasses on her forehead.I don't remember the context but for a second I thought it was Monet.
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>>156729268
and yet they didn't do it for two decades. A yonko's strength doesn't stem from political alliances or whatever. They need to be strong af to keep the allies in check
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>>156729216
>If you're an established gun it might as well be your powerlevel
Then why was Jack weaker than Luffy, Doflamingo or even someone like Enel who according to Oda would only have a Bounty of 500.000.000 or even fucking Ace?
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>>156728999
i love the gags with franky's hair, so i've come to accept him.

I like the others, except brook who i really disliked as a rockstar. But since he switched his clothes, dropped his crown, i'm good again.
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>>156729346
>why was jack weaker than Luffy
in what universe is this true?
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>>156729337
>and yet they didn't do it for two decades.
Because Kaidou was searching a way to die, Whitebeard didn't give a fuck anymore and Shanks seems to have his own unknown agenda.
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>>156729319
Oh please anon. Give me in universe examples of abilities like G4 getting weaker over time. I'd love to hear it.
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>>156729335
it's a coverpage
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>>156729382
We saw Jack being stalled by the Mink Gang. If you think Jack would withstand G4 without having any shitty Biscuit Soldiers like Cracker, you're deluded.
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Other than being a very recognizable shounen boy, is there any reason why you think luffy doesn't seem to gain muscle. I mean he's at least as strong as Zoro if not stronger but Zoro is BUILT like a heavy hitter.

I guess it'd be weird to see Luffy stretching and shit if he actually had defined muscles. It's just sometimes weird to see Luffy next to Fuck off Huge looking dudes and be like "Luffy's stronger"
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>>156729401
the Yonkou are kinda funny when you put it that way. She's got the road poneyglyph which others presumably care about
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>>156729444
luffy doesn't need muscles, he's made of rubber
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>>156729430
You are a fucking moron. It means the Minks are strong, not him being weak huge retard.
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>>156729430
that's a massive assumption and the Minks are known to be strong. Pedro had a 300mil bounty YEARS ago
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>>156729346
>someone like Enel who according to Oda would only have a Bounty of 500.000.000
this only means that your estimation of enel is flawed. not oda's.
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>>156729174
I feel like they've toned down Nami's fanservice in more recent arcs, Although the fact that she's now got tits the size of canonballs sorta makes that a moot point.
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>>156729268
I feel like, compared to the other Yonko, Big Mom herself will be weaker, but instead will rely more on her crew instead. For example, a big part of her devil fruits is homie creation which probably isn't as useful in combat as Blackbeard's devil fruits. Instead, the power of the Big Mom pirates is spread out throughout the crew, rather than concentrated among 4 individuals like it probably will be in Kaido's crew (Kaido + 3 calamities). For example, before this arc, Big Mom had 4 commanders (Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker and Snack) as well as other strong elder children like Perospero, Daifuku and Oven, and also warlords and supernovas like Jinbe and Bege, and homies like Napoleon, Prometheus and Zeus.
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>>156729430

We don't know what Nekomamushi or Inurashi are fully capable of. Hell we haven't even seen Jack go in his hybrid form.

We know next to nothing other than they fought for several days.

While I myself am on the fence and think G4 Luffy would likely beat him I couldn't give a definitive answer because there's so little information on the fucking guys.
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>>156729444
He seems to be muscular while flexing. Wont post picture cuz im taking a shit
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>>156729456
Actually neither WB nor Shanks cared about raftel. And Kaidou seemingly only wanted it after MF and WB's death. Perhaps Shanks even told him back then about it, but that's fucking headcanon-tier.
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>>156729473
how did that happen?
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>>156729346
>jack weaker than Enel
Lol
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>>156729491
>>156729502
>>156729550
G4 > Any combination of Minks of your choice.
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>>156729570
enel is severely overrated because of his lightning powers. whatever the fuck happened to haki
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>>156729508
So you assume Enel/Ace < Jack? That's retarded.
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>>156726723
he does have a gun; he pointed it at robin when they first met. But that was so long ago, it probably doesn't matter
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>>156729570
Mantra. Jack wouldn't be able to hit him. Then he'd just spam his lightning shit. Not really hard.
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>>156729408
quit being all sarcastic, no need to be upset

When I say weaker, I mean less dramatic, less impactful, and less damaging to those fighting against it.
In dressrosa, Doffy can't even touch luffy in G4.
His armor is too strong, and he's too fast.

The transformation has it's own panels, and takes awhile, and is all dramatic and shit, and when he's done with it, luffy owns the fight.
Luffy doesn't bring it out at the beginning of the fight, he tries beating doffy without it.
And when he runs out of steam, he can't move for like 10 minutes.

Fast forward to cracker. Luffy wastes no time bringing out G4. And try as he might, he can't seem to get a single hit on cracker with it. Cracker easily keeps him at bay with his stupid cracker soldiers.
But the part where he can't move for 10 minutes never comes.
These differences are because "cracker is stronger" and luffy is eating stuff, but I think that's BS.
The reality is the author just wants to keep the same level of action, so each gear matters less over time.

If you want, I can go way into more depth, with panels of exactly what I'm talking about
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>>156729603
Jack + Sheepshead +Ginrummy+ fodders vs Law Pirates + Minks etc. Jack has to be stronger than them his team was clearly largely inferior to Neko/Inu team.

Now, yes. G4 is probably stronger than Jack.
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>>156729690
Cracker is stronger than Doffy.
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>>156729720
>>156729720
>>156729720
New thread
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>>156729690
>if you want, I can go way into more depth, with panels of exactly what I'm talking about
please do, I'm not completely sold on your argument but this is an important part of the story
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>>156729690
Not the guy you're replying to, and I get what you're trying to say, but maybe it would be better to say that everyone else is getting stronger, rather than Gear 4th is getting weaker.
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How do people not understand Enel would have a bounty as high as 500mil because his DF has insane destructive capabilities. He could just El Thor any island he wants 100 times and turn it to rubble.

But in an actual fight he's really weak.
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>>156729537
>Big Mom herself will be weaker, but instead will rely more on her crew instead
No. Just no, get some reading comprehension. Her whole family is scared shitless of her. She's the same kind of monster as Kaido.
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>>156729746
Hey, wow. We actually have a new thread after hitting bump limit and even page 8.
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>>156729798
>>156729798
>>156729798
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>>156729741
Based on what we've seen, he OUGHT to be.
But Doffy would probably still beat him in a fight.
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>>156729746
>copying a tumblr post for the OP
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>>156728354
you're a banable offense
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>>156729247
sogeking>all
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>>156729836
Fucking kek. Big Mom believe her son is stronger, he OUGHT to be... But Doffy is stronger? You are just biased as fuck.
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>>156729801
now if it wasn't a shipper it would actually be a pretty good thread.

But i guess that's too much to ask for one day.
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>>156729169
>zoro the weabo
what?
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>>156729746
>>156729814
which one guys

>>156729889
No I'm not.
Be real, do you think Oda would let cracker beat doffy?
Oda is biased, not me.
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>>156730018
The one without shippingshit
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>>156730018
the caesar one

other was made by falseflagging sanafag
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>>156730018
Ceasar Thread, the other one is sanafag's
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>>156729690
Sorry did I hurt your feelings?

>When I say weaker, I mean less dramatic, less impactful, and less damaging to those fighting against it.
So instead of saying what you actually meant, you opted out and said something that's hs a completely different meaning? Are you ok?

>These differences are because "cracker is stronger" and luffy is eating stuff, but I think that's BS. The reality is the author just wants to keep the same level of action, so each gear matters less over time.
There's zero reason to think it's "BS". Eating has always been shown to give Luffy his energy back.

Enemies get stronger as you go along. That's how OP has always been. There is nothing remarkable or "BS" about Luffy struggling against Cracker.
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why is bege so based?
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