Saekano

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>>156680687
Eriri a shit. A SHIT.

Utaha a best. A BEST.

>>156680687
S2 is just getting the worst girl's arc out of the way first. It's saving better girls like Eriri and Megumi for later.

Megumi a best.
Eriri a cute.
Utaha a shit.

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>>156680743
Utaha a shit.

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>>156680743
first post best post

>>156680687
>it's a best girl episode
Awesome

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Eriri a cute and best.

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How can the other girls even compete?

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>>156682005
Only a bit over 2 more weeks.

>>156680687
Utaha is a mistake.

>>156680687
Yeah but Megumi will steal the spotlight. As always.

Eriri an annoying shit.

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>>156682796
I almost feel sorry for the other girls.

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>>156683011
I don't.

>>156682144
Isn't hers canonically the largest?

Utaha and Eriri have such strong personalities to go with their extremely strong bodies.

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>>156680687
Good. Utaha's episode was the one I enjoyed the most in S1.

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>>156683249
Izumi is only a cm smaller.

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>>156683265
>Eriri's personality
>Eriri's body
>strong

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what is a legitimate reason to watch s2?

i am more than satisfied with s1

>>156683474
Just because she isn't thicc, doesn't mean that she doesn't have a good body. Dumb memegirl poster.

>>156682898
Utaha is trying pretty hard to steal that title.

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>>156683713
>twig girl
>good body

Utaha would break that bitch in two.

>>156683474
>>156683815
Dumb Satania and Utaha thicc-loving normalfag.

>>156683815
I enjoy Utaha's body too, but not everyone needs to be thicc to be appreciated.

>>156683862
Butthurt Eririshitter.

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>>156683640
To see Megumi win.

>>156683945
>Butthurt Satania and Utaha thicc-loving normalfag shitter

>>156683986
Butthurt Eririshitter.

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>>156684032
Izumi's body is the sexiest after Utaha and Michiru's.

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>>156683815
Eriri's body is fine.

>>156683953
meh, utaha should have won

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>>156682005
That and this will be the highlight of S2 for me.

>>156683474
Eriri's body is perflat. And whie she may have a weak stomach to see Tomoya sad and hurt, her heart and mind is strong. Eriri always makes difficult decisions even if it means getting hurt in the process and she sticks by it. Not to mention her passion as an artist is every bit as strong.

>>156684195
Utaha is a loser that was utterly incompatible with Tomoya.

>>156682005
>>156682154
>>156684349
Eriri a shit. Worst girl in the series.
Put cliches in a bag, shake 'em up and see what you get :
>tsundere
>twintails
>flat chest
>midget
>childhood friend
>rich girl
>facade
Woah!

Selfish cunt that abandons her 'friends' at the drop of a hat, then rationalizes it and pities herself.

Gets jealous the MC understandably has a better time with a girl that isn't emotionally abusive.

Bottom feeding anime fan, just like the people who like her.

Attracts the most autistic fans who exist only to absolve her of any blame and express their frustration over the fact that she won't win and that most people either don't like her or don't give a fuck about her.

Only good for sex/rape and be bullied inside and outside the show for being shit.

>>156684568
Name a girl like Eriri.

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>>156684553
If being "compatible" with Tomoya means lowering herself to meet his autistic standards and poor taste, then she's better off losing.

>>156680743

Utaha a best.
Eiri a cute.
Megumi a shit.

>>156684756
Any flat chested generic tsundere.

>>156684568
>Baiting this hard
1/10

>>156684845
Lazy answer, surely you could specify one of them that is like Eriri.

>>156684568
This

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I love all these girls, any of them could be the main girl in her own anime as far as I'm concerned, but Eriri has my heart.

>>156684938
Eriri is a by-the-book, cliched tsundere with nothing special about her. It's up to you to state what makes her stand out among the bottomless sea of generic tsunderes infesting the industry. Oh wait, she doesn't stand out at all and hardly anyone gives a fuck about her.

>>156684568
So generic traits you don't like = bad, but generic traits you like founded in Utaha = good.

Everything else you wrote is either nonsense or plain trolling by twisting context. Take your first example, she didn't just leave him for no reason and she didn't do it to be a selfish cunt either. I know you've argued it s hundred times so you're just pretending to be ignorant.

>that Utahatard is sperging at everyone who dares praises Eriri and is being obsessed talking about Eriri again

>>156685186
Utaha isn't nearly as generic as Eriri is. For every kuudere you get 2 or 3 tsundere little shits.

>>156685078
You were the one that made the claim that she was a cliche, so it's your job to provide evidence for that.

>>156685279
You're either blind or a retard.

>>156685078
Not him, but the fact you can't even name one off the top of your head proves she isn't generic as you try to force her to be.

>>156685351
>Eriri isn't generic

Not even the most delusional Eriritard would actually believe this, or maybe I'm just overestimating you.

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>the best parts of Saekano are the ones without Utaha

Really makes you think.

>>156685244
>kuudere
>long black hair
>big tits
>tall
>senpai
>yamato nadeshiko
>sharply critical
A dime a dozen.

>>156685408
I didn't say that at all, you damn autist.

Eriri is best when she's getting bullied.

>>156685408
>s-she's just any tsundere ever because all tsundere are the same character, guise!
>can't even name one ysundere who's like her when asked
>you disagree then you must think she's completely original!
This is why nobody likes Utahafags.

>>156685433
Nope. The kuudere archetype is more varied and they don't appear in nearly every harem or romcom like tsunderes do.

>>156685324
That's not an argument, Utahafag.

>>156685598
Prove it. Name 10 popular harems that don't have a kuudere.

>>156685468
>I didn't say that at all
>proves she isn't generic
>she isn't generic

I take that back. Eriritards are really blind and retarded.

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>>156685636
Generic doesn't mean a carbon copy of another character, you shit-eating retard. There's nothing about Eriri that strays away from the tsundere archetype as everyone knows it.

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>>156685598
>kuudere archetype is more varied and they don't appear in nearly every harem or romcom

>>156685701
>carbon copy
That's exactly what you are implying, dumb Utahafag.

>>156685716
fuck that gave me a headache

>>156685701
Are you stupid? Simply being the same archetypes doesn't make every tsundere the same. The non-buzzword use of "generic" means that they are commonly used as archetype in writing, but that doesn't mean they can't or don't have differences.Any archetype at its foundation should follow a model that defines them, which is basic tsun to dere progression. But that alone doesn't mean that they are all the same despite being "generic".

>>156685701
The fact that Eriri has other goals aside from winning the MC's dick puts her far above most tsundere.

>>156685694
Love Hina
ZnT
Color Wars
Oreshura
HnG
IS
Index
SnO
Rakudai
BakaTest
Nisekoi

>>156685716
Epic reaction pic. There are series even bloated with 2 or more tsundere in the same harem.

>>156685783
Read my post again, you stupid retard. I clearly said that she was a mix of cliches.

>>156685701
>proves she isn't generic as you try to force her to be.
>isn't AS
Nice selective greentexting there. Why am I even bothering with a known shitposter?

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>>156680687
Megumi is boring as hell, Utaha is literally r*ddit, and the cousin character is completely irrelevant.

Anyone who is so blind to refuse to see that Eriri-chan is the best girl in this sorry excuse of a show should do the world a favor and fucking remove themselves.

Eriri has some issues what girl stalks her love interest everytime he goes out

>>156685922
You're the stupid faggot. I never said she was the same as anyone else. I said she was a shameless mishmash of every cliche in the book a generic tsundere can have.

>>156685969
It would be actually revolutionary if she stopped chasing after his dick, but no, she's STILL cockthirsty and jealous.

>>156686007
I quoted your post intact. Don't try to damage control now.

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>>156686086
She only has a problem with Utaha. Eriri doesn't mind it when he hangs out with Megumi.

>>156686005
>Love Hina
Kanako
>ZnT
Maid
>Color Wars
Green
OreShura
Silver. But calling OreShura popular would be a stretch.
>HnG
A-tan
>IS
Germany
>Index
10000 Misaka imoutos.
>SnO
Ikaros since she's not emotionless, but is just stoic
>Rakudai
Not popular, but Imouto.
>BakaTest
That's one. But BTT is barely popular enough.
>Nisekoi
Ruri

>>156686160
She probably thinks Megumi and Tomoya don't like each other/couldn't possibly develop feelings for each other and thus Megumi isn't threatening to her love. Stupid girl, deserves to lose for taking everything for granted.

>>156686160
And? even with one person is not sane to stalk people

>>156686227
>Kanano
Not part of the harem.
>Maid
Slutdere.
>Green
Trolldere
>Silver
Bitchdere
>A-tan
Slutdere.
>Germany
Also slutdere with a mix of tsundere.
>Misaka imoutos
Dandere.
>Ikaros
Dandere.
>Imouto
Deredere.
>Ruri
Not part of the harem.

>>156686137
>I never said she was the same as anyone else
Yes, you did.
>Name a girl like Eriri.
>Any flat chested generic tsundere.
>Lazy answer, surely you could specify one of them that is like Eriri.
>Eriri is a by-the-book, cliched tsundere with nothing special about her. It's up to you to state what makes her stand out among the bottomless sea of generic tsunderes infesting the industry
>You were the one that made the claim that she was a cliche, so it's your job to provide evidence for that
This is your reply with the other anon. Even claiming "every cliche" is ridiculous and utter nonsense. How are you supposed to even support that kind of claim? Burden of proof is literally on your side.

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>>156686252
Even when she finds out Megumi loves him, she's still cool with it.

>>156686368
A girl like X can be interpreted as girls that are similar, not the same. Eriri doesn't have any more cliche personality and design traits because the author couldn't fit any more inside her. That's a fact.

>>156686347
All of those girls are factually kuuderes. Calling them sluts, bitches, trolls won't change anything when they act like typical kuuderes. Kanano is part of the harem. So is Ruri even if she hooked up with someone else later.

>>156686347
>Seriously thinks Hitagi/Silver/Utaha clones aren't kuuderes
Damage control.

>>156686334
Utaha is someone who is willing to rape. Eriri is justified to keep a watch on her.

>>156686347
Danderes are reserved for emotionless girls. Misaka imoutos and Alpha are not emotionless at all.

>>156686442
Are you ever going to back up and of your claims or are you going to keep digging your own grave?

>>156686460
No, they don't behave similarly at all. They aren't known for conforming to the kuudere archetype.

>>156686499
Silver isn't kuudere towards the MC.

>>156686560
So Rei isn't considered dandere now?

>>156686607
My proof is in my first post, you illiterate dimwit. Keep stalling though, I know you can't deny the extreme pandering and cliche checklist that is Eriri's design and character.

>>156686737
Listing off design aspects and common traits says nothing about her character. If anything you are the one trying to stall here.

>>156686737
>list a bunch of physical characteristics and a few vague comments on her personality
>proof

>>156686540
She isn't. Eriri is not entitled to Tomoya's dick and he's free to do with Utaha whatever the fuck he wants. If he isn't a man enough to stop her sexual harassment, then it's his fucking problem. Eriri can fuck off.

>>156686663
Rei is often debated as a kuudere with dandere traits. Rei acts completely different towards Gendo than she does with everyone else.

>>156686838
>>156686840
Except it does, because that's what her character amounts to. That's what it sells her as a character to the blind faggots who love to eat up as many fetishes and cliches as they can find in one character.

What's the first fucking thing that comes in anyone's mind when they see a flat blonde twintail? Yeah, a generic tsundere. Eriri is a result of the author trying too hard to "spice up" her design with more cliches and fetishes so he doesn't have to worry about her awful personality detracting from the overall product, knowing the kind of audience he is aiming her at.

>>156686663
They all follow the typical teasing/cool/cold/bitchy/troll/stoicism/emotionless perceived model and move to dere. So yes they are kuudere. And most of them are called kuudere. You should lurk more including other places besides /a/.

>>156687054
>Utahatard is this retarded and a shitter
Literally cancer killing Saekano.

>>156687093
They aren't, most of them are hardly similar to each other in design and overall personality. The only ones that seldom get called kuudere are Kanako and Ruri.

>>156687170
Utaha is the second reason Saekano is popular.

>>156687054
That's not how it works. You are still stalling and saying whatever you want and are beyond full of shit and you know it. Popularized imagery has nothing to do with character either. With your logic, this >>156685433 is all Utaha amounts to and is her entire character so she's generic as any other kuudere then.

>>156687209
See >>156685324

>>156687209
>Eriri and Kurisu are hardly similar, so that means neither are tsundere!

>>156687093
And deadpan, which is a cliche among many kuudere.

>>156687484
Touche.

>>156687279
Utaha is generic, but she doesn't fill as many cliche checkboxes as Eriri. Fans of other kind of characters like appreciate her, unlike Eriri whose fans are all tsunderefags for obvious reasons. If she wasn't a generic tsunerde then she would have more fans than your average tsunderefag. If her design and gimmicks weren't 100% those of any generic tsundere (the show itself even mocks her for being a generic tsundere), no one would care.

>>156687323
See >>156685701

>>156687386
You're finally realizing the difference between classic tsundere and modern bipolar tsundere, son.

>>156687626
You have failed to support your argument for over an hour now and continue yo delude yourself with this projecting and assumption you based on nothing bout your own internalized logic where everyone agrees with you just because you say so.

>>156687626
>This is what dumb Utahatard actually believes
Nobody ever talks about Utaha's character and only care about her body, unlike Eriri who gets plenty of discussions about her character.

I'm gonna go for a midnight walk and I want to see full thread of Megumin when I get back.

>>156687705
>You have failed to support your argument for over an hour
Your illiteracy is critical. My proof is right in my first post.

>Put cliches in a bag, shake 'em up and see what you get :
>tsundere
>twintails
>flat chest
>midget
>childhood friend
>rich girl
>facade

Those traits are what define Eriri. I forgot to mention ZR which is another cliche fetish that all Eririfags happily eat up and use to act superior like the retarded sheep they are.

>>156687770
Yeah okay. 100% of the discussion is her fanboys rabidly defending her from the flak she gets.

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>>156687626
>Utaha
>Not equally or more cliched than Eriri
The only people who likes Utaha are tasteless kuuderefags or cowtitsfags.

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>>156686861
this

eriri a shit

>>156687875
As I and another anon pointed out, your list of traits is not an argument at all to this idea you keep hammering down about being like any and every tsundere out there. That's your words to a tee. You haven't provided even an ounce of anything, not even a name to support your claim. You just hoping to shoot in the dark and hope it hits something. The logic behind your argument is so flawed and erranous, one could have compare Eriri and Azusa or Eriri and Chitoge to destroy the very foundation of your argument.

>>156687920
There isn't such a thing as kuuderefags. Tsunderefags have been a thing for years due to annoying and repetitive behavior that tries to excuse any tsundere for being an insufferable bitch. People who may come to like a kuudere aren't defined by their preference of certain archetype, thus they hardly create discussion or threads about best/bad kuuderes, kuudere done right, etc, like obsessive tsunderefags do. They may like a kuudere girl in one series, dislike another kuudere and like a tsundere/yandere/genki, etc, in another, etc. In short, they aren't fanboys of the archetype.

And cowtits, well, there's only one flat girl in the whole series. That isn't a valid argument.

>>156687626
>Eriri
>modern bipolar tsundere

>>156688162
>google kuudere fanclub
>223,000 results
Tasteless kuuderefag pls.

>>156688154
What a waste of lines to say nothing to disprove my argument. And yes, Chitoge and Azusa fall under the scope of generic tsundere. This is literally nothing new nor I would be the first or last one to say it.

>>156688189
>switches between tsun and dere at the drop of a hat
>not modern bipolar

>>156687821
>THK in sperglord mode propagating anti-tsundere propaganda is what I wake up to see
This is going to be a shitty day.

>>156688232
>search tsunderefag*
>686 results found
>search kuuderefag*
>9 results found

Tsunderefag pls. You've been a pest in this site for years. Too bad the old archive search isn't still back to further prove the annoyance tsunderefags cause to everyone.

>https://my.mixtape.moe/billlm.mp4

Episode 4 PV

>>156688263
No, Eriri is mostly tsun at the start and becomes more dere as the series goes on. By V6 there is almost no tsun.

>>156688263
Cute. We've been waiting for you to support of your asinine and just retarded clai to give weight to your argument that is under question. You haven't given us anything and are stuck in this deluded world of yours saying a ton of bullshit that you can't even back up in additional your your original claim.

I'm done playing this game of pretend with you.

>>156688419
Eriri was dere since the start. She was ready to accept any insinuation on Tomoya's part, like the part in the cafe where she and Utaha misinterpret his words for a choice between the two, or at the start of their fight in Eriri's arc.

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Utaha > Mayu > Megumi > Michiru > Izumi >>> poop >>> Eriri

>>156688516
That's why she was mostly tsun.

>>156688441
The support and proof is right there, again. Are you denying that those traits aren't what define Eriri as character? Will Eririfags deny their very own tastes with the only purpose of not letting the hard truth smash their delusions?

Again, the show itself calls Eriri a generic tsundere. QED

>>156688606
A true classic tsundere outright dislikes the guy in her tsun phase and then actually develops feelings for him. Eriri was faking a hostile persona to hide her shameless cocklust that was there since the start.

>>156688591
good taste

>>156688351
>only see 268 results in archive
>98% of them are from him throwing the word "tsunderefag" around at people who likes characters he doesn't like who happens to be tsundere because he thinks it's an insult
Nice deflection, THK.

>>156688666
I never said she was a classic tsundere, I said she wasn't a modern bipolar one. She's not bipolar, she's consistently tsun until he shows affection to her.

>>156688691
>not including the asterisk (*) at the end of the word to catch derivations of it
>paranoid argument where once again his boogeyman is the evil mastermind behind every post that triggers him

>>156688763
>she's consistently tsun until he shows affection to her.

The trigger of her dere is any insinuation of affection. And Tomoya has done it since the start, and Eriri has reacted to it since the start. And she returns to her tsun mode immediately afterwards when she realizes he's not actually trying to make a move on her. She's bipolar.

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>>156688263
Eriri keeps her tsun guard up most of the time up until around middle part of the story. She defrosts while working in the Circle and her biggest dere progression happened in volume 6. That's classic by definition.

>>156688882
Nope. See >>156688666

>>156687821
Just make a stealth thread that Eriritards won't be able to see at first sight. That's the only key we have to a calm and comfy thread.

>>156688927
The chart does not lie. What you described is not classic, but a different type of tsundere which is exampled by Erina. Classic tsundere don't tend to be 100% all tsun, they have some dere that gets triggered under the right circumstances. Eriri is more or less that. Whether she liked him or not doesn't matter as long as she keeps up the tsun part consistently until she develops to move more towards dere.

>>156688875
Her mood changes don't happen for no reason. It's not like a bipolar disorder. Of course she'd be mad if she feels she got tricked.

>>156689098
You are literally the reason why this thread is shit, Utahatard.

>>156689098
Utaha threads die quickly because her fans can only post about her body.

>>156689099
Except Erina truly disliked Souma at first. Eriri liked Tomoya since a child, she was never truly tsun except for her own fuck ups with Tomoya. She never disliked Tomoya. Her "hostility" is weak as fuck and could easily break anytime if Tomoya wanted. Her tsun is fake.

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Eriri > Megumi > Izumi > Michiru > shit > Utaha

>>156689160
None of this would have happened if Eririfags didn't pollute the thread with their shit taste.

>>156689204
I'm not saying only Utahafags can post.

>>156689245
shit taste desu

>>156689210
She had feelings for him and that's different from showing dislike. At the start of the story Eriri disliked Tomoya. They were on bad terms and had to reconcile for a reason. She kept up her tsun and that was consistent. She didn't drop most of it until after volume 7.

>>156689245
Great taste.

>>156688591
Garbage normalfag taste.

>>156689283
>stop liking what I don't like or else I will ruin the thread with my shit taste and sperging
Utahatard everyone.

>>156689379
She developed feelings until much later. No, Eriri never disliked Tomoya. There wasn't any development of feelings. She always loved him.

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>>156689425
>it's this delusional Eririfag that thinks liking big tits makes you a normalfag

Big whoop. There's only one flat girl in this series and she isn't even close to being popular. Leave us "normalfags" enjoy this series and fuck off to whatever shit suits your taste then, faggot.

>>156689480
>She developed feelings until much later.
>There wasn't any development of feelings
Contradiction.

She showed disliked and was cheeky to him. That's hostility no matter how you slice it. That's what Tomoya sees too so you can't say she showed the opposite. The feelings were always there, but it took making up for her to move forward and that is development.

>>156689567
>blah blah proud normalfag
Cancer that kills /a/

>>156689759
I'm not proud anything you dumb Eririfag. I'm mocking your retarded logic that no one but your retarded kind would agree to.

>>156689699
>Contradiction
First sentence is talking about Erina.

Her "dislike" was a weak facade as I said already. See >>156688516
The only development is her not trying to hide it anymore, but her feelings didn't change.

Utaha a shit.

Eriri a shit.

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Utaha a best.

>>156689858
Agreed.

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>>156689955
Utaha a shit.

They should just animate Koisuru Metronome. It's miles better than the snoozefest the main series is.

>>156689840
>First sentence is talking about Erina
Eriri was the obvious subject since that was what I had address in your post.

The facade she puts up in school is not the same thing to the real issues her and Tomoya have that needed to be sorted out. The reason she acts generally hostile is due to both reasons, but it's the latter that makes her remain cheeky even when they are together in private. There was a bridge that needs to be crossed before she could move on to be mostly dere.

>>156688691
It's funny. If you spent 5 years shitposting kuudere and make "kuuderefag" into a buzzword at anyone who disagrees with you like THK did then it would make his point moot.

>>156690117
KM is the real snoozefest. More than thirty chapters and barely any memorable moments.

>>156690117
Utaha a shit and KM a boring shit.

>>156689210
>Except Erina truly disliked Souma at first
>She had feelings for him and that's different from showing dislike
>She developed feelings until much later

I think the chain of discussion is clear.

The facade at school is a direct result of her issues. She only tried to be hostile but it wasn't hard at all to break her out of her tsun, like when they get chummy in Tomoya's room and Megumi interrupts them. Eriri is the kind of girl that would just sweep things under the rug, but circumnstances force her to face them head on.

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>>156690266
False. There's nothing better than the own author reminding us that Eriri is pathetic.

>>156690333
Fuck off Eririfag.

>>156690203
That would have never happened because tsunderefags are unique and unrivalred in their autism.

Utaha a best.

>>156690440
>can't point out any memorable moments that makes it better than the main series
>can only point out meta to shit on someone else
Typical Utahatard.

Utaha a shit. A SHIT

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>>156690440
>that
>memorable

KM has some good jokes, but none of its emotional moments can even match those of the main series.

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>>156690519
>implying meta about Eriri being a shit isn't memorable and better than the main series
And you have to be gay not to find this memorable.

>>156690554
Thank god KM doesn't have forced drama.

Utaha a best. A BEST.

>>156684132
>Izumi's body is the sexiest
ftfy

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>>156680687
>it's an utaha or eriri episode

>>156690616
>emotional moments are forced drama

>169 posts
>33 posters
Utaha fags are desperate

>>156690117
>No emotional drama, no conflict, no Megumi, no Eriri, no struggle, boring super strong mary sue lead
The only interesting thing that AU spin-off has to offer is Utaha losing the bowl like her own heroine did in Koisuru Metronome

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This page is the greatest thing to come out of this franchise.

>>156690805
>wiggle

>>156690804
>all this shit taste
Sasuga Eririfags

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>>156690804
Mayu is cool and better, cuter, funnier and more enjoyable than the two heroines in Saekano, but she isn't better than goddess Utaha and she isn't going to win. She doesn't even like Tomoya romantically.

>>156690804
>losing the bowl like her own heroine did in Koisuru Metronome
Mayu confirmed winner? I might pick this up now.

>>156690915
Mayu is objectively better than Utaha in body, personality, and fun interactions with Tomoya.

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>>156691011
Nope. Utaha is supreme in body, personality and fun factor.

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>>156690915
>She doesn't even like Tomoya romantically.

I feel like I've heard this before.

>>156691066
There won't be practice for a main heroine route with Mayu as the heroine this time.

>>156691011
>objectively better than Utaha in body, personality, and fun interactions with Tomoya.
Not a difficult thing to achieve. Even Michiru does everything better than in all of that.

>>156690203
http://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/tsunderefag%2A/order/asc/

>tsunderefags have been called out since fucking 2008 which is as far as the archive goes
>surely have been called out since the site's conception

Wow, your history revisionism failed hard this time.

>>156691378
Nope. Utaha has the hottest and most enjoyable interactions with Tomoya. Then Mayu. Then Megumi. Then it doesn't matter

>>156691165
>Megumi only fell in love with him because of practice

Nope, they've been in love since at least V5.

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>>156691531
So much love yep. Megumi doesn't start showing signs of love until vol 9.

>>156691574
How is he soft there? Is he impotent?

>>156691433
>triggered THK at the truth

>>156691574
And Tomoya doesn't show signs of love until V11. That doesn't mean he didn't love her earlier. Megumi is naturally flat and doesn't reveal her emotions much. She only does it when provoked.

>>156691767
As far as I'm concerned, your boogeyman didn't exist in 2008, and yet people were taking issue with obnoxious tsunderefags since the dawn of time.

>>156691468
Delusional Utahafag.

Why is this series so shit? You lot sperg endlessly about which turd smells the less putrid, while all I can think of is how this crud epitomizes an author giving up on quality to pander to the lowest common denominator.

How do you go from writing a compelling and and emotional romance, with complex and well thought-out characters like WA2, to churning out this shoddy mockery of characterization?

I don't mean to say that WA2 was perfect in any sense, but it might as well be Shakespearean compared to this garbage. It truly feels like the author hid yet another punchline that reads ''this is all you deserve, now engorge in it you swines'' beneath the supposed ''meta'' humor, and you ate it up, like the dumb fat sheep that you are.

He is laughing at you (not with you) right now, even if begrudgingly, because he knew exactly the kind of human cesspool this would attract the moment he sat down to write it, ''this is my silent vengeance he said'' while sketching a portrait of your souls...

>>156691795
>slut cousin straddles and almost rapes Tomoya
>not enough to provoke at least a hint of jealousy or surprise

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>>156691819
Fantastic argument. You're just like Eriri, angry and jealous at superior girls for having a better time with Tomoya.

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>>156691863
She knows Tomoya doesn't feel that way towards his cousin. When he gets close to Eriri, she gets jealous and starts showing more emotion.

>>156691857
Wow, you were so specific in pointing out why the series is shit.

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>>156691857
Saekano was enjoyable for what it was at first: a light harem comedy (save for the parts with Eriri drama which were always shit). The biggest gripe I have with Saekano is how the author completely ruins one of his best characters and turns it into a boring and pretentious cheap copy of WA2 halfway in.

>>156691815
>claimed there's no such thing as kuuderefags
>gets proven wrong
>proceed to bring up archive that shows 90% of him namecalling for no reason other than getting mad at people for liking tsundere he doesn't like
Before your time, THK, tsundere was popular since old /a/. Occasional contrarian are nobodies /a/ ignored or put down, much like what moefags and haremfags and lolifags did to those who opposed them back then. Stay mad.

>>156692175
>proven wrong with outsider shit no one cares about
>proved my point about kuuderefags never being recognizable or bothersome in /a/
>ignores logical and well thought-out arguments explaining why tsunderefags have been an annoyance everyone has to put up with since the dawn of time and the archive backs up irrefutably
>lol I don't care it was all you, baddy THK!11!one!!1

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>>156692073
Wow, what a WA2 clone.

>>156692342
You're posting the reason this series turned to shit absolutely. The author only hinted potential drama and never went along with it. Eriri gave up so easily, there probably won't be any resolution to her feelings, Tomoya will never know she loved him. At least Utaha could do that much through a farewell kiss. The series ends in a safe, underwhelming and passive note.

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>>156680687
Xmas arc can't come soon enough.

I wonder why that tsunderefag isn't defending Mikoto in the Raildex thread. Too busy here, I see.

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>>156692451
Eriri getting BTFO can't come soon enough.

>>156692426
>The author only hinted potential drama and never went along with it

It was just a wrong interpretation. GS2 is about them recognizing that they like the same guy and that they'll still be best friends regardless.

>>156692508
>being so certain it won't be an anime original end

If you actually read the LNs you'd know they've changed a lot to make S2 more Megumi-focused.

>>156692288
>Reifags are among the oldest and most numberous anons since forever
>No one is autistic enough to sperg at an entire archtype like he does to use as an insult to Reifags by calling them kuuderefags/danderefags must mean Reifags don't exist
Mad, retarded, and desperate as always, THK. People who like yandere don't exist either, right? Oh wait, you weren't there for all the survival story threads for yandere.

>>156692662
Reifags didn't act obnoxious for Rei clones which were always deemed as blatant copies and not worth getting invested in like Rei. Rei clones were more known for being clones than for having obnoxious fans.

And I didn't say a thing about yandere either, that's irrelevant to how tsunderefags have been called out from the get-go and it's not something you can blame your boogeyman for.

>>156692508
More like Utaha blowing herself up.

>>156692508
Eriri is still ahead of Utaha so it matters little if Utaha forced a kiss on Tomoya. She also has the glasses that Megumi gave to Tomoya.

>>156692508
What chapter is this so that I may read it.

>>156692768
>>156692787
Utaha goes out with a bang.

Eriri won't even confess her feelings to Tomoya. The glasses no one remembers them anymore.

>>156692754
THK pls. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is obnoxious. Funny enough it's true when you do it. Utahafags are the most obnoxious right now thanks to you, so it wouldn't be wrong to say kuuderefags are obnoxious going by your circular reasoning.

Anything popular enough will have a group of butthurt contrarian, but that's besides the points made >>156690203 >>156692175. Keep trying though.

>>156692997
>Everyone who doesn't agree with you

The archive says otherwise. Or are you going to say those 2008-2009 posts complaining about tsunderefags are mine as well? Stay in denial.

>>156692824
Don't sugarcost it. She lost hard and didn't get any feelings back in return. Everything between Tomoya and her is mainly business.

>>156692342
You're right, it would actually amount to something if it actually was a ''pretentious WA2 clone'' (even if nothing else than derivative mediocrity rather than completely boring trash).

At it's core, the problem with the story comes down to poor and shallow characterization (specially from the male lead), so every conflict fells like it has no real weight behind it.

You have a boring and (un)attractive nerd surrounded by hot girls he never actually touches because of nothing else than genre conventions (if you actually believe the lazy writing for Tomoya's past trauma justifies his current attitudes then there is no hope for you), and the an assortment of merely above-surface walking cliches masquerading as characters, and you have yourself a recipe for unconvincing drama.

>>156693097
And yet she stole a first from Tomoya in front of Eriri, made it clear that he loves him and that's something Eriri will never do.

>>156693055
>oh noes someone liked Louise and is called a tsunderefag
Great argument that doesn't disprove what I said, THK. You literally are still behind the vast majority of the link you showed and that's beyond doubt.Several pages vs several dozen that started at the time you started is not a coincidence, especially when your posting style is consistent.

Does Saekano even have drama? You can't even call it melodrama.
It's all puppet show-tier nonsense.

If he's so desperate in writing anything after a sudden decline of demand for his writing, why not just write anything at the level of WA2 or his other works?

>>156693241
>muh boogeyman paranoia

>>156693151
>At it's core, the problem with the story comes down to poor and shallow characterization (specially from the male lead), so every conflict fells like it has no real weight behind it.

Of all the things you chose to criticize, you chose Tomoya's characterization. He's characterized well, the only problem is that he's unlikable, but that's another matter.

Utaha > Michiru > Megumi > Izumi > Eriri

>>156693254
See >>156691857 the author simply realized trying to put together a good story rather than pandering to greasy otaku simply doesn't pay in this industry, so he went the ''safe'' way.

>>156693254
Saekano has great drama. It's far beyond those of other LN adaptations.

>but volumes after V7 suck!

The anime isn't going to adapt past that, and the anime is so different from the LN it should be judged as its own thing.

>>156693514
Haganai and Oregairu's drama is way better than Saekano's.

>>156693263
You wish. But that's hilarious ironic coming from you, the master of conspiracy theories and boogeyman enabler with your delusions and projection at your precious "tsunderefag" enemies.

>>156693745
People were having issues with tsunderefags since 2008. I don't say this. The archive does.

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>>156693480
And creating a "befitting travesty" isn't really helping his stand. I need a source on this, but isn't Maruto struggling to get new works currently? If he thinks he can get away with this kind of outrage against the so-called "greasy otaku", then I'd gladly watch the fallout.

>>156693514
>Saekano has great drama. It's far beyond those of other LN adaptations.
Personally, I prefer the story of Rokujouma over this.
>The anime isn't going to adapt past that, and the anime is so different from the LN it should be judged as its own thing.
That I can't guarantee. Let's say that K-ON's College Arc sucked so bad that Kakifly isn't making any other works at the moment.

>>156693723
Maybe. Both Haganai and Oregairu had the "collapse of the school club" done at the most explosive way that even if it's a trainwreck, you won't help but admire it somehow. (Pic related.)

Saekano's drama is at the level of Oreimo. The losers were the most vocal and did the most things, but when the victor, who was subtly showing her affection towards the MC since the start, took action, it was all over.

>>156693723
Yeah right. Nothing from those series can match V5-V7. You picked fucking Haganai of all things, quit baiting.

>>156692824
>won't confess
Considering what happened in volume 12, expressing her feelings to Tomoya in a way that a creator would but also as a heroine in the last volume is highly conceivable. Happily accepting Megumi to be the girlfriend, yet not giving up is the perfect way to wrap things up for her.

Even without that though Eriri is a lot closer to the bowl than Utaha at her highest.

>>156693986
>but isn't Maruto struggling to get new works currently?

No. He's just busy with Saekano now that the anime's airing.

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>>156693986
>Saekano's drama is at the level of Oreimo. The losers were the most vocal and did the most things, but when the victor, who was subtly showing her affection towards the MC since the start, took action, it was all over.
I've always found this comparison fitting.

>>156693781
>playing dumb
Good luck selling that.
>insinuating and trying to make it an issue when it's just a way to give labels or call out fans by namedropping *-fags as usual, which some haters did on occasions
Just one of the many reasons why you are so obvious. Still doesn't change the fact you are behind 90% of the 600 something results, most of which started in 2011-2012.

>>156694121
Is he even working on Classroom Crisis? I enjoyed that despite being one cour long, but it just fell out of popularity as soon as the anime ended.

>>156694264
>denying the obvious everyone can see
>y-you're the evil mastermind behind every anti-tsun post, I swear! tsunderefags are never obnoxious and no one can take issue with them!

Refer to >>156688162 to fully explain why tsunderefags are infamous and why there isn't such a thing as kuuderefags among us, as the archive itself tells you.

>>156690804
I will bow before Maruto if he makes Utaha lose in KM. Mad respects, man.

>>156694301
CC was a flop that he'd rather pretend never existed.

>>156694361
>upsetting his second biggest fanbase

Never going to happen.

>>156694361
All jokes aside, an open end would be more likely. It's unknown how much longer KM will last after the LN ends, and there's barely been any romantic development on Tomoya's side.

>>156694352
Denying what's in front of you is literally what you're doing. Keep trying.

Oh noes, somebody likes a character you don't like and said character is a tsundere. Better call that person a tsunderfag and shitpost to my heart's content because he triggered your butthurt autism. If that person dares to snap back at me when I better call him obnoxious!

>there isn't such a thing as kuuderefags
Yeah of course. Danderefags don't exist either. It's not like Yuki was so popular she took over the board for a period of time or anything. Nope.

>>156694361
Utahafags' tears would be delicious.

>>156694554
Why can't you realize that fans of other -dere archetypes are irrelevant to this tsundere-kuudere discussion, you idiot? Tsunderefags earned hostility with their fanboy behavior since the dawn of time, and people called them out in kind. That's irrefutable. Kuuderefags were never a thing and kuuderes wasn't as extended as tsunderes.

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>>156694587
Not as delucious as Eriritard tears that keep on flowing.

>>156694631
>it's not relevant because it proves me wrong
>kuuderefags just don't exist because I say so
>oh but only tsunderefags exists in this whole place because people liked characters that are popular and who happen to be tsundere
Yes of course, THK. Rei never had fans, much less fans who fought with Asukafags all the time. Everyone is an Asukafag then so everyone here are all tsunderefags. Yep.

You're a sad fuck, THK. You've been doing this for half a decade and your taste that veers towards deredere, kuudere, and any tittymonster no matter how irrelevant and bad so long asthey oppose your evil and hateful tsundere is common knowledge. But you don't see all those who call you out for being a derederefag or kuuderefag or anything. You're just THK.

>>156695340
Why can't you realize that this is not about tsunderefags or otherfags existing or not, but people addressing and calling them out directly and consistently over the course of the years? Out of tsunderefags and kuuderefags, only tsunderefags are like this. You don't have to be THK to prefer objectively nicer and more likeable girls over bitches that cater to only the most delusional tsundere fanboy.

>>156694361
>Mad respects
To be different and unusual or because you hate Utaha?

>>156695439
THK pls. This is about you trying to save face and arguing a point that can't be argued. Kuuderefags exist and have always been around. They are everywhere and their fans are just as obvious and have their own shitposters. But kuudere wasn't popular as tsundere and didn't attract shitposters who cared to be autistic. They especially didn't have someone like you who wage a persona war acting like kuudere is a national problem that should be addressed in your deluded mind.

>sometimes once or a few times a month and many weeks to months in-between
>"consistently"
Your bullshit can only go so far, THK. It only became a consistent and something you are still trying to use as an insult.

>>156695460
Considering how shitty Utaha is, it's probably the latter.

>>156695460
Maybe a lil of both.

>>156695703
More like the kuudere archetype isn't as forced, regurgitated and repetitive as the tsundere archetype, and typical fans of kuudere girls aren't as obnoxious and defensive as tsunderefags. Hence no one ever thought of calling somene a kuuderefag. Tsunderefags started to become infamous with their delusional and annoying support of their tsunshits, often shitting on other girls and fans for not liking/praising the tsuncunt. This became unbearable when the tsunderies came around and they forced their taste down everyone's throats using the Rie's popularity as a shield to hide behind. And then shit snowballed with more and more tsunderefags jumping on the bandwagon and here we are. Tsunderefags' bad reputation is noted even in fanbases where tsunderefags are an irrelevant minority, like Saekano. Kuuderefags existed back then and now, but they never were as bad as this. They are laid back and no one takes issue with them, because they aren't obvious and obnoxious to begin with.

>>156696027
>rationalizing and trying to justify your bullshit because you think tsundere is bad and that everyone thinks just like you
Never change, THK.

>>156684568
This show is all cliche all the time, I don't know why you're complaining about just Eriri. All the other characters fall into various categories as well. If you're an Utahafag she's almost identical to crab.

>>156696283
The girls are walking cliches for the most part.

It'd be better if more of an effort was made to make fun of it, since the show's "meta" jokes about anime tropes feel so lazy. Other than maybe a few times Megumi pulls out a snarky insult.

>>156696283
Name a girl like Megumi.

>>156696283
Eriri is the worst offender, though. Utaha is archetypal but at least she has witty dialogue and not just generic "i-it's not like I want to suck your dick or anything" lines.

>>156696563
Kirino.

>>156696579
>Utaha
>witty dialogue
List some.

reddit girl

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>>156696709

>>156696813
Should've posted her sexual position jokes when Michiru was on top of Tomoya.

>>156696685
You're hilarious.

>>156696579
Except Eriri is more snarky than Utaha even though snarky is supposed to be Utaha's thing. Utaha is a ballbusting cocktease and troll like most kuuderes are. Eriri is at least funny and is a non-serious tsundere where she is even the butt of many of her own antics.

>>156696813
>witty dialogue
I'm still waiting.

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>>156696917
>Eriri
>funny

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>>156696917
>omg she hit him again so funneh

Fuck off.

>>156696939
Eriri has some good lines. I liked the part in episode 1 when she implied Utaha was fat.

>>156696813
>this generic bickering and insults that got old fast is the best witty dialogue Utahafag could come up with
How embarrassing.

>>156697092
>butt of many of her own antics
Calm down THK and get some reading comprehension.

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>>156697153
Humiliating Eriri never gets old, you delusional Eririfag.

>>156697207
That just makes her more pathetic.

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>>156697007
>>156697092
It's true though. Don't deny it.

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This line is funnier than anything Eriri has said.

>>156697223
>the autistic Utahafag has a personal folder dedicated to saving pics where Eriri gets teased and made fun of by Utaha

Like fan, like character.

>>156697337
That's sad and pathetic.

>>156696917
>Eriri
>Snarky

What? Eriri is funny when she's getting bullied.

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>>156697356
There are so many of them that I'm bound to have saved some of them.

>>156697382
What's sad and pathetic is Eriri being bothersome and ruining the fun, again.

>>156697356
>Utahafags hate tsundere yet they are tsundere
Or maybe they are just bad tsunderes with no dere.

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Utaha is even compassionate and warns Eriri to stop being such a generic tsunderehis, but she's too dumb to listen.

>>156697596
Utaha isn't one to talk when she gets BTFO just as often.

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>>156697452
She has always been snarky. Most of them are to Tmoya and Utaha. But there's also with Izumi, someone she fights with in a different way from how she fights with Utaha. There's also the other childhood friend where she gets testy with that often ends up nibbling her in the butt, in a cute way no less.

>>156697596
She was warning her about Megumi, dumb Utahafag.

>>156697760
At first, i really didn't like Eriri.

Now that i don't care about the Utaha/Eriri rivalry (since neither will win and Utaha hasn't been my #1 since the first half of S1) i've been able to like watching both of them.

>>156697596
Except Eriri said she already took the first step by joining the the circle. The fact she went tsun to dere in time leaves nothing to be desired.

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>>156680687
>it's a Saekano episode

>>156697760
Nah she's just a bitch.

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>>156697808
Nope. Watch the scene again you stupid Eririfag. She's talking about Eriri.

>>156697967
And she still lost. And it was her own fault.

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Eririfags are finished. By Tomoya no less.

>>156698177
But that's wrong. She didn't lose because of that. She lost because the main story is not her route. Even in the game's route that's based on Eriri, events played out generally in similarity to reality that Tomoya based them on. The branching point happened after volume 7, so that's not why at all.

>>156698324
>likes her so much he gives her special treatment
That's called being tsundere and close enough to know and say that casually.

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>>156698324
He changes his mind.

>>156698349
>if Eriri wins it's because she deserved it, she was OTP, she did more merits to earn victory and her personality was 100% compatible with Tomoya's, other girls a shit, they can't compete
>If Eriri loses it's the author's fault for not writing Eriri as the main heroine, every reason to explain Eriri's failure is fine and valid as long as it is meta and not in-verse reasoning to hide the mistakes and fuck ups Eriri has done and that made her loss well-deserved and logical

>>156698428
Trying to explain the complicity behind all the different kind relationships between a boy and a girl could have is a fruitless endeavor considering how retarded Utahafags are.

>>156698489
Who are you quoting?

>>156698428
>>156698518
>h-he's just being tsundere he loves her

Sure it worked out for her in the end alright. She won't die alone and watching how her loved one enjoys a blissful and happy life with another girl.

>>156698553
The usual tsunderefag logic and arguments when their girl wins contrasted to when their girl loses.

>>156698489
Why are you being a shitposter implying things I didn't say?

And are you seriously going to sit there and say that Eriri actually had a real chance to win over the main, titular girl whose win was set in stone since the very beginning? It was even nodded in a meta in-universe. Pretty much all LN rom-com are crafted and manipulated in such a way it's nigh impossible to imagine the main heroine of not winning. Never-mind the point you were trying to imply was that she lost because she's tsundere. What kind of blame and logic when she stopped being tsundere before she left the Circle?

>>156698656
Where? Or is this another boogeyman like usual?

>>156698838
The latter. lel "tsunderefag" is keyword for THK's personal boogeyman.

>>156698759
So you're pretty much saying that supporting the ship of girls other than the main is pointless and stupid, and yet that doesn't stop tons of people from getting mad when their girl loses to the main, Eririfags included.

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>>156698838
>>156698904
>samefagging

"The usual tsunderefag" doesn't refer to a single person, but the average fan that eats up whatever tsundere and is very vocal about it.

Compare Inou Battle or Nisekoi threads full of smug tsunderefags mimicking the behavior described above because the tsundere wins, to Saekano or Mashiroiro threads where loser tsunderefags just blame the author, the winner girl or whatever meta reason to excuse their loss.

>>156698907
No, that's a completely different matter. What character a person likes and whether he or she wants to ship that character with whoever is completely up to the individual if it makes them happy, even if it's a ship that has no chance. Your comparison here is pure nonsense. You're basically saying no one should like/waifu/support any girl besides the main girl just because the main girl wins 99% of the time. That's not even remotely what was said at all.

>>156699082
Not at all. Seriously, who were you quoting and where?

>>156699087
Supporting a ship is different than liking a girl. Completely different.

Why would someone seriously support a ship other than the main if everyone knows the main will triumph in the end?

>>156699175
Shippers always support the girl they like. It's related.

People have different taste. You can't even figure that out yourself? Are you ever going to get back to the original and actual point you made or not?

>>156699082
THK pls. Your butthurt and conspiracies are showing.

>lists Inou and Chitoge where the main girl wins and they are tsundere
Full retard. Everyone knew they were going to win. Funny you mention Inou seeing how you are the worst shitposter in Inou threads bitching and moaning on behalf of Hatoko and shit.

>Saekano
Yep, the main girl won. Stop the press.
>Mashiro
Everyone wins in the VN. The anime was just a marketing tool and anime staff could have picked anyone except Sana for obvious boosting sales for the game that had her route.

>>156699411
Supporting a ship means you want it to happen. By your own logic and words, supporting a ship that's not the main makes no sense and it's a stupid and pointless thing to do, because everyone knows the main will win in the end 99% of the time.

It's funny how you're the only one using this meta excuse, when winners can actually list out events and developments that craft the victory in a logical way, without resorting to meta shit.

>>156699535
>Everyone knew they were going to win
Yep, but how curious that when tsunderefags see themselves in the winner position so they can act smug and pretend to be superior to others, they never resort to meta reasons and main girl writing to boast about their victory, because in THAT case it would cheapen their win. They only say things like

>she deserved it! she was OTP! she was the most developed! she had the most chemistry! she did more merits to earn victory and her personality was 100% compatible with MC's, other girls a shit, they had no chemistry, they had no development, they were irrelevant, they could never compete!

But when you try to say those same things when a tsundere loses, like in Eriri's case, you quickly pull the meta writing card to hypocritically defend your girl.

>>156682144
Damn, Utaha is a goddess.

>>156699619
>Supporting a ship means you want it to happen.
Yes, and?
>supporting a ship that's not the main makes no sense and it's a stupid and pointless thing to do, because everyone knows the main will win in the end 99% of the time.
If that's what you truly believe then that's your problem. Don't inject your belief and perception onto others. I certainly don't think it's pointless. Who cares? Humans strive towards happiness and you do things that makes you happy. Logically, shippers support ships they like since it obviously makes them happy and can derive pleasure from it. Whether it's the a ship that wins or not is irrelevant.

Are you being dense on purpose or what? In what way is saying X isn't the main girl so she won't win meta? These kinds of stories are, as said, crafted and manipulated so the winner is almost always the main girl. That, by, logic, means that events and development will favor the main girl and are written so she will be the winner. Seriously, you cannot be this stupid.

Again, are you ever going to change back to your original topic >>156697596?

>>156699977
Goddess of shit, right?

there's people who likes Eriri, in a world that we have UTAHA!!!
Utaha a cute, a C U T E

>>156700105
Shippers are retarded and obnoxious, but shippers of the obvious main choice at least aren't delusional.

It's meta because you're using how the author intends to write his story as an argument as to why your girl loses when it makes perfect sense given how the story actually develops and how she only has herself to blame for losing. Where the fuck is the fun in discussing things if you can just say "lol the author wrote it this way because it was obvious from the start"? You can't be this dumb not to get that the journey is what matters, not the destination.

>>156700310
Utaha is more popular than Eriri and for good reasons.

>>156699814
>implying winnerfags aren't always smug
Nice try, THK. Look at Sakuraou. Chuuni2, KC, TWGOK, Bleach, etc. You do the same shit with Mashiro for all things, you shitter.

You are butthurt as fuck because people ship and give reasons why their ship should win over your ship.

>>156700403
That is becoming less true over the years. I wouldn't be surprised of Eriri ranked higher than Utaha come next LN pull.

why megumi doesn't call out the trio on their stupid drama bullshit?

>>156700431
I hardly see smug Megumifags. A lot of them know them know that romance ruined her, and they don't see it as a reason to celebrate anything. The only thing worth celebrating is that Eriri lost like she should. And likewise, you won't ever accept reasons as to why those ships won over your ships other than "lol they were the main girls everyone knew it damn".

I don't remember doing anything with Mashiro. Aoyamafags were just as annoying as Eririfags, though.

>>156700478
Utaha will keep having her manga published while the main series ends next volume.

>>156700355
>Shippers are retarded and obnoxious
Irrelevant.
>shippers of the obvious main choice at least aren't delusional.
You can only say that because their ship is or will become canon. But cases where there are better ships for reasons aren't uncommon.

Except I didn't say that at all. You said she lost because she's tsundere. Those are your words. I refuted that by pointing out being tsundere had nothing to do with leaving the circle. I made it a point to add that she had no chance regardless because she is not the main girl. If she was the main girl then regardless of what she did or do, the story would be crafted so she will win no matter what.

It's a given that the main girl always have the advantage. What the other girls do or don't does matter and count towards the journey and experience they have with the MC. But you cannot ignore that the destination is already set. You can't say that the other heroines would win if they did something different or better or whatever. That's just wishful thinking and that's what you did, stupidly enough.

>>156700567
> A lot of them know them know that romance ruined her

Nice lie.

>>156700567
>I hardly see smug Megumifags
Sitting back with a smile on their faces and watching Eririfags and Utahafags destroy each other for them while knowing they have the win in a bag and know that nothing will change the fact Megumi is best girl. On top of that throw out waifu ranking to stir things up without causing a backlash and don't feel an ounce of insecurity is smug. Speaking from experience here.

>>156700889
>But cases where there are better ships for reasons aren't uncommon.
But by your own logic, it doesn't matter because main girls win in the end. So they don't have any right to complain. You don't get it? You're giving the author's intentions all importance while execution doesn't matter for you.

The execution here makes perfect sense, Eriri being a tsundere is one of her biggest downfalls because if she was simply honest with herself and Tomoya, she would have won ages ago, and this is not a matter of whether she's main girl or not, it's a matter of good and bad writing, and you can't say there's bad writing involved here. Eriri had every advantage inside the story, and she wasted all of it. Being stupid is part of her character, a main characteristic of hers.

Let me put it this way, if Eriri wasn't a tsundere or if your favorite girl was the winner in here, you would actually discard this current argument you have and say things like "Eriri deserved it for not being there with Tomoya", "Eriri deserved to lose for not having chemistry and development with Tomoya", "Eriri deserved to lose because she is an inferior match to Tomoya", etc. Like you do to the girls that lose to your favorite tsunderes. But no, you will never say such things against Eriri, instead you cheapen it by pulling the meta writing card.

>>156700567
You must be blind and retarded, THK. Even Megumifags are smug in their stealthy and low-key way that resembles Megumi. They knew from day 1 Megumi is going to win after all.

>romance ruined her
Oh it's this bullshit you are forcing again.

>Aoyamafags
>annoying
Saying this even though you are an Aoyamafag who shit up a lot of threads back then? Interesting. Shiinafags always praised how perfect Shiina was and OTP.

>>156701340
Nope. Megumifag activity went down a bit after volume 11 for removing the main interesting thing about Megumi which was her ambiguous feelings. Not all Megumifags were shippers and some of them were disappointed by the turn the series took, joining Utahafags angry at Maruto for taking such a big shit on Utaha.

You must be confusing me with someone else, but Mashirofags were a bit too noisy for people who liked someone more deadpan than even Megumi. At least in Saekano we don't have to deal with constant OTP posts from Megumifags.

>>156701473
I have never seen a single genuine Megumifag complain about Volume 11.

>>156701638
How about the posts saying it was too safe and overly sweet, that nothing interesting happened, that it was too boring, that there was nothing fun to talk about Megumi now that her feelings are crystal clear, etc.

>>156701473
>saying things that pretty much never happened
Megumi's feelings were obvious since volume 7's epilogue and I always argued with trolls that said she has no feelings.

>>156701771
Never seen them. I checked the Amazon reviews, and the negative ones came from butthurt Utahafags and Eririfags.

>>156701799
Those weren't trolls, just people with alternative interpretations of her character. That was one of the things that made Megumi interesting, and Maruto mercilessly removed them in volumes 11-12, making Megumi a boring jealous and aggressive haremette that rolls over and accepts whatever the fuck Tomoya pulls on her.

>>156701262
>it doesn't matter because main girls win in the end. So they don't have any right to complain
>execution doesn't matter
You know what, let's cut the bull. Give me quotes where you are based all of that by my own logic. I'm the author of my own posts and yet I don't see myself saying or implying what you just said.

>biggest downfalls because if she was simply honest with herself and Tomoya, she would have won ages ago
I know who I'm arguing with so could you keep your anti-tsun ideology from leaking out when you try to sound all serious and logical? Thanks. Back to the point, you can't prove that, but I can prove that Tomoya fell in love with Megumi the moment he first saw her on that hill. So from a story point of view Eriri could not have won ages ago and she couldn't win even after she stopped being tsundere, ergo tsundere or not is irrelevant to whether she wins or not. Your statement earlier was simply wrong.

>Let me put it this way
The way you put it is not only a non-argument to the argument I provided that soundly addressed and refuted one of your underlying arguments, it's a delusion of your own making. Stop acting like I'm this person you want me to be.

>>156701917
That's your opinion and it's an opinion I hardly ever see.

>>156701957
It was there for the latest volume's threads.

>>156701917
>heroine starts to show signs of love in a romance
>this is a bad thing

Megumi is also not a doormat, she still hasn't forgiven Tomoya for the shit he pulled.

>>156701473
>THK making up stuff and trying to force allies from Megumifags despite the fact Megumifags don't care about Utaha and were mostly the ones criticizing Utaha in volume 10
>Seriously pretending he isn't an Aoyamafag now when he was going nigger this and that in Sakuraou threads that he used and carried over from Korean Zombie thread and even acknowledged it when that was pointed out
The moment you die irl is when the quality of /a/ will increase by a thousand fold. If only.

can you hook a brother up with the pdfs?