Cat, Crab or Monkey, /a/?
>>156575803
Marry Cat, Fuck Monkey, Kill Crab.
>>156575803
>>156575803
Monkey is best.
Monkey
>>156575803
I want a waifu that can choke me with her thighs
Crab for MC, heart under bat for me.
Monkey
Both flavors
Monkey. Maybe Cat. Crab can go to hell.
>>156575803
Tomboy every time.
>>156575803
I want to monkey around with Kanbaru.
>>156575803
Bee
>>156575803
snek
Monkey for fun, Cat to marry, Crab can die in a fire.
>>156576475
Snek is for stepping on
Cat is for love
Animooted
>>156575803
WRONG
Them.
>>156576404
Agreed.
Hard for me to choose, it's the one show where I like most of the female characters
My list of favourites in order
Karen-yotsugi
Shinobu-teen shinobu-kanbaru
Sengoku-senjogahara-hachikuji-blackhanekawa-tsukihi
Hanekawa
Heart under blade
Hate gaen and ougi
>>156575803
friendly reminder that Araragi is only allowed to make love with Hanekawa
>>156576656
Bee a shit.
I choose Snail
cat
Doll
Math
>>156575803
Monkeys gave humans HIV.
>>156577325
Let's not be racist here.
best girl
all I know about monogatari is that catfags are the worst, so she's probably shit too
>>156575803
>boy haircut
I'll pass
>>156577325
Crabs are also an sexually transmitted condition so I guess cat wins.
>>156575803
Monkey. Anyone who says anything else is lying to themselves.
Besides loli trio and imoutos, monkey is best gurk
who doesnt want a best friend who would get naked for you in an instant
Monkey
She's not only a primate, she is also aPrime date
Cat always, she's best girl.
>>156575803
Cat, but Bat is best.
I want to make cat a mother.
Bat
I'm torn between Tsubasa and Kiss-Shot.
snake
Izuko is best girl, followed closely by Kagenui, Oshino, Tadatsuru and Kaiki.
>>156575803
I've always loved Crab since day 1 but I hear she's turned to shit since they've entered college, which is a shame. I really like her and Araragi's dynamic. Most of the girls are great on their own though.
Monkey is the best
A cat is fine too
Crab a shit
>>156579835
>ywn have a best friend like Kanbaru
It would be so much fun.
Teen-shot
>>156576527
no step on snek
Why did Crab cut her hair /a/? Same with Togame and Medaka.
Why must nisiosin have such a shit fetish?
This >>156580445
>>156581392
Pretty much all characters but snail had short hair at some point, but their let their hair grow up eventually at least.
And a couple of them look pretty good with it.
>>156581392
I like it when characters get haircuts, better than having the same hair forever like typical cartoon characters,
>>156575803
Never seen the series, so I'll go Crab. What mistake did I make, /a/?
all of them at the same time is the true answer.
>>156582363
You made no mistake, Crab is best mix of loyal yet independent. If you don't like whiny girls that are useless in life, you made the right choice.
>>156575803
bat
monkey > crab > cat
Crab Forever
Black or nothing.
>>156583059That's what she said
>>156583120
He anon. He. He is a male cat that improved on Tsubasas form.
>>156575803
That's a good order, though i'd rather go with Crab before Cat and Monkey.
Spoilered
Bee
Out of those three, cat.
Best hugger
>>156582363
Terrible
She's a jealous control freak that forbids you to cum inside anyone but her, so if you're about to nut inside another girl she'll pull you out and you have to finish inside her
>>156580315
>>156580271
Hanekawa motherly look of scorn would make you lose erection as soon as try to put it in.
Best girl is a bat
Cat and Crab
AT THE SAME TIME
>>156585605
Just another reason why I like the changes male cat makes to her when she goes full neko mode.
You find cat tied up in the gym storage shed
What do you do?
>>156585788
Good you keep them busy while I have a Bee and Monkey sandwich
>>156585958
Well, if it's the third movie you pussy the fuck out, and leave the audience with massive otaku blue balls.
>>156580554
this
>>156585504
Name's second best FFM fetish in world.
>>156586085
>>156580554
But she's evil
>>156580752
It's fantastic to me that Shinobu can be a sexy teen and also a lewd loli.
Very versatile.
>>156575803
Compare and contrast.
What is sex with each of them like?
>>156575803
What's the point of asking this question over and over and over again?
>>156586741
to piss u off
>>156586447
Cat is either completely aggressive or completely submissive depending on her form
Crab will demand to be in total control from beginning to end. If you finish before her, she'll pump you full of viagra and jam her finger up your ass to massage your prostate until you're hard again. If she's finished before you, she makes you jerk off while she watches. Either way all of her friends will hear all about it the next day.
Monkey is double-jointed with no gag reflex and she fucks like she's being electrocuted
What kind of flavor do you like on your crab?
>>156587059
Im from Maryland so its old bay. I would never choose her either way.
>>156586808
Damn. That does not make the choices any easier.
>>156586156
She's also perfect in every way, so I don't see the problem
>>156587334
Better?
>>156575803
Crab > Cat > Surugakanbaru
>>156587334
monkey will let you stick it in her butt
>>156586808
>Crab will demand to be in total control from beginning to end. If you finish before her, she'll pump you full of viagra and jam her finger up your ass to massage your prostate until you're hard again. If she's finished before you, she makes you jerk off while she watches. Either way all of her friends will hear all about it the next day
Completely wrong, her emotionless, dominant personality is just a wall she puts up. Sex with her is completely vanilla in the missionary position with lot ofhand holdingand kissing. Afterwards you cuddle and fall asleep in each other's arms.
Doll>> Snail > Snake > Bee > Bat > Monkey > Bird >> Spooky > Crab > Gaen > Rouka > Math > Cat > Kagenui
This is objectively right
>>156586808
>Monkey
It'll start out hardcore and then quickly turn into her getting flustered and embarassed as she tries to take the lead but fails. Araragi noticed it early on that she's a low-tier pervert.Crab should just go off with Kaiki, and Monkey should settle down with Araragi. Araragi & Monkey can both dote on Bat too. All parties involved would be happy here.
>>156587703
monkey>bee>snail>crab>cat>doll>bird>bat>spook>snake
I don't care about the others.
>>156580315
she looks like the crazy-ass bitch from Danganronpa
Bat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest
This is objectively correct.
>>156587925
Now name all the series, movies, and short novels in chronological order.
>>156587342
Evil is not perfection. Unless you're willing and able to take the abuse.
>>156588067
Bake
Nise
Neko
Kabuki
Otori
Oni
Koi
Hana
Tsuki
Owari
Kizu
I've not read any of the novels. Now is the part where you say my opinions don't matter, right?
>>156588005
>Bat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest
This is pretty much a fact, more so after Owari.
>>156588234
No, I was hoping you'd read the novels, so I knew where they fell.
Also, isn't Kizumonogatari at the front?
>>156588331
>Also, isn't Kizumonogatari at the front
Well I seem to have made a retard of myself. I could have sworn you asked for that airing order. Yes kizu is at the front.
>>156588331
>>156588234
>chronological order
>>156587885
>Araragi noticed it early on that she's a low-tier pervert.
and then Kanbaru tore off his pants and had her way with him.
Though yeah outside of how comfortable she is around rrragi she's not confident at all until after Hana.
Kaikimonogatari?
>>156588413
Well that's handy, my search-fu was weak.
Bee and Bird dressed in each other's clothes
>people actually choosing crab
Gross
>>156575803
Monkey
>>156576656
Discount monkey
>>156587569
But I wouldn't want to do that because its disgusting and sodomy.
Seriously you guys are sick. Literally Getting shit on your dick.
>>156586156
i just started the series, so idk.
but so far snek a best
>>156588908
It;s called an enema
>>156588742
>not wanting bantz
It's ok, there's more gentle girls for sensitive people like you
>>156588959
*shivers* I'm not 50 yet.
>>156587703
Nop.
I want to eat my meals off monkey's abs
>>156589060
Shit, I wouldn't doubt your 15 yet.
>>156589060
She will literally clean her asshole out for you so you don't get any shit on your dick, spaz
>>156589064
Snek is S tier.
>>156589064
I want Kaiki to take me out for food.
>>156589064
I'd have bee higher, but good list overall.
>>156589064
I'd give d the D.
What a weird list, putting them in reverse order from worst to best.
S- Shit
A- Average
B- Better
C- Close
D- DAAAAAMN!
>>156589117
34. I just think its disgusting. Also the concept of eating out a girl. Piss, bacteria and sweat and other secretions is pretty yuck.
Isn't it funny sometimes a girl who would freak out if she touched a bug and obsessively cleans herself will put a big sweaty cock in her friggin mouth?
Talk about unsanitary shit huh?
>>156588067
Kizu: March, Year 1
Neko Kuro: April, Year 1
Bake: May-June, Year 1
Nise: July, Year 1
Neko Shiro: August, Year 1
Kabuki: August, Year 1
Oni: August, Year 1
Owari 2: August, Year 1
Owari 1: October, Year 1
Otori: November, Year 1
Koi: January, Year 2
Tsuki: February, Year 2
Owari 3: March, Year 2
Zokuowari: March, Year 2
Hana: April: Year 2
Koyomi: April, Year 1 - March, Year 2
>>156589514
I think you have issues bro.
A certain amount of bacteria is needed in the human body, your weird obsessive ideas about cleanliness could cause you to be not digest food right and end up making you sick.
Not that there wouldn't be irony in it.
Guess you don't like rimjobs either?
>>156589716
Nah, I'm perfectly normal in the sense of general cleanliness and participate in a couple outdoor activities that can make you quite dirty. Its just disgusting to me.
Would be better if white but... Eh...
>>156586808
Just about confirms my initial choice of completely rejecting Crab.
Now the thing with fucking Black Hanekawa is that it could very well be life-threatening.
>>156589165
I've come to appreciate Snek more over time, I like how she strives to improve herself after her mental breakdown in SS, but I still just don't like her much as a person and think that she's one of the series' simplest characters.
>>156589179
Who the fuck doesn't?
>>156589203
Bee is a fucking meme charcter with nothing to her, but she's at least entertaining unlike Tsukihi.
>>156589282
Lmao no. Crab is an utterly unlikeable cunt and watching paint dry is more interesting than watching Tsukihi.
>>156590044
>>>156589716 (You)
>Its just disgusting to me.
Still curious from a psychological perspective.
Did something happen to you in your youth to trigger these feelings?
A tight girl ass feels amazing, and the dirty factor just adds to the degrading hotness of it all. Just wipe your dick off on her tongue after you're done, it'll be clean as a whistle!
>>156590241
The only one that resembles a real woman, is to you, an unlikeable cunt.... that actually makes sense.
I still love her for who she strives to be.
>>156589014
Doesn't even have the best bantz in her own show.
>>156589064
>he can't handle the bantz
lmao look at this beta faggot
>>156580578
This guy's taste has transcended petty waifu wars
>>156575803
cat for the double-suicide codependency vibes
I kinda want to rewatch the series again with /a/ bros. How possible is this?
>>156589064
>Rouka even on a list
>Tsukihi last tier
>Karen and Ougi on C
You probably have the worst taste in this entire thread. Bird a best
>>156590706
rouka is cool. you have bad taste.
>>156590257
Nothing I can think of. Had very limited sexual contact when I was a teen and into my 20s. I know I am in the minority here but from my perspective its just surprising some people would be up for engaging in a practice like that and yet not give two thoughts about doing other dirty things. Whatever...
>>156590667
>Wanting a unhealthy relationship that would likely end in suicide
>Not going for Math or Crab
>>156590692
See you at anthrocon.
>>156590826
crab x araragi is secretly the healthiest (serious) relationship in the show though.
>>156590351
I don't think any Nisioisin character resembles a "real" person in any way, but the emotions they're used as vehicles to convey are real and relatable.
Crab is a completely unreasonable human being who demands way too much of her perfect boyfriend and acts prissy all the time and he gets off on it. Which I guess in in line with a very pessimistic view of male-female relationships. But I hate her for it when literally every other main character in this series is kind hearted deep down and overall helps to create this message of optimism and hope that Crab's bullshit completely betrays. Like, even Kaiki can put aside his chuuni persona and criminal career to help people, but Crab's still gonna get in the way of Araragi saving people over petty jealousy.
>>156590530
Math has the most mean spirited, nastiest banter. Snail has the most bro, funniest banter. Monkey has the most sexual, exciting banter. Crab ain't got shit.
>>156590706
What do you even like about her?
>>156575803
monkey
>>156590896
You can't be real.
>Senjogahara goes to Kaiki behind his back
>Koyomi lets Sodachi live with him without telling Gahara
>went through 3 breakups
And let's not even go into the many almost cheating moments Araragi had or how neither of them really talked about the whole Shinobu stuff.
>>156575803
why not these both?
>>156585605
It would actually make my boner even harder
>>156591020
>talked about the whole Shinobu stuff.
Nothing to talk about, the moment Crab tries to break them apart is the moment Araragi leaves her for good. She doesn't dare.
>>156590928
She's a great friend and little sister who helps Nadeko and Koyomi out a lot, has great banter and a great sense of humour and can be suprisingly thoughtful when she's not in messing around mode.
Only thing I could dislike is that she doesn't get enough focus and she didn't even do much in her own arc. Also, the whole getting captured by evil guys or losing her memories has been done too many times by now
>>156591020
these are all really just examples of how much they trust each other though.
>>156591150
Having a girl that has a way closer bond with your boyfriend than you have and that feels everything he does sounds like a pretty big problem for a relationship, especially since Gahara wants nothing to do with the supernatural
>>156591183
You're probably one of the guys who thinks being a cuck is the biggest sign of trust you can show, don't you?
I hope Owari part 2 has improved artstyle.
>>156591239
>Having a girl that has a way closer bond with your boyfriend than you have and that feels everything he does sounds like a pretty big problem for a relationship, especially since Gahara wants nothing to do with the supernatural
That is very true and yes a problem that needs to be addressed. But Crab does not want to lose Araragi, trying to break them apart gives her a one way ticket out of his life.
>>156575803
cat>monkey>snail>bat>crab>>trash>snake
fuck the mainstream
>>156591292
Yeah, there's nothing to be done about Shinobu and Araragi. I just think it's something of an elephant in the room for their relationship.
>>156591335
That's a very mainstream opinion though?
>>156590928
Whoa bro, you just brought a lot of heat down.
>completely unreasonable human being who demands way too much of her perfect boyfriend and acts prissy all the time
Yes, how many women have you dated?
>a very pessimistic view
Realistic average girl, who over projects until her wall comes down.
> every other main character in this series is kind hearted deep down
Snek, Cat, and Bat have all attempted murder... literally. And then act like whoops "just a mood" so nah. The only real kind hearted one is snail. And honestly, she's too good for him.
Crab is guarded and vain. But cares the most about him. It's so obvious. Every "bad" thing she does, was in thought of how to protect him, think about it.
Also, wincest, so sisters get a free pass on everything.
>no bat option
>>156591355
Araragi cannot picture a future without Shinobu in it, he said that in Owari. That should be enough of an answer.
>>156591335
If you really want to go hipster, have Higasa as your top girl. Most people won't even know who you're talking about
One and only
>>156585605
Sounds hot, actually.
>>156591392
>Bat have all attempted murder... literally. And then act like whoops "just a mood" so nah
Explain, because you are talking bullshit.
>>156590928
Bee is probably the shittiest character written in Monogatari with zero character depth whatsoever and not even remotely interesting. Yet she's ranked above Bird and also Crab. They're both have excellent bant, insightful and have much more to offer as character than simply being a tool for fanservice.
>>156591239
>>156591292
>Having a girl that has a way closer bond with your boyfriend than you have and that feels everything he does sounds like a pretty big problem for a relationship, especially since Gahara wants nothing to do with the supernatural
>That is very true and yes a problem that needs to be addressed.
She already said to Araragi over the phone in Shinobu Mail that "they both chose him" though? Along with everything else that conversation was about. One of the only things of substance the character actually says in the entire series even, don't forget it.
>>156591513
Not him, but kiss-shot kill people to survive, though not sure if it would count as murder since it's not different than killing an animal to eat.
Unless he means that pretend fight she used as a suicide attempt in kizu.
>>156591567
It's not fine the way it is anon. This whole thing is gonna cause problems.
>>156591647
>Unless he means that pretend fight she used as a suicide attempt in kizu.
That's what I though at first but I found this very strange:
>"just a mood" so nah.
>>156591513
Have... have you seen the show?
Snek was a psychotic yandere that was going to murder Araragi and Crab at least, and maybe all of his friends and family.
Cat was going to murder her own parents, and Araragi if he interfered.
Bat murdered a priest, Bat attempted to get Araragi to murder humans and join her in her long undying existence. Feeding on the flesh and blood of humans as food.
How do you not know this?
>>156591567
While she did say that and whole she also said that she'd be fine with Araragi messing around with other girls she also broke up with him 3 times for way pettier reasons.
I really don't think Gahara's and Koyomi's relationship is in anyways healthy. I mean, the first thing they do in their relationship is promise each other not too keep secrets and they both then proceed to do a lot of shit behind each other's back
How could you not want to snuggle with someone making this face to you?
>>156591773
To be fair, killing Guillotine-Cutter was pretty justified. Still, how many people has Bat already killed and eaten at that point? She's literally a mass murderer
>>156590896
It's the relationship that has the most shallow basis though (contrary to some people here saying the complete opposite), I think that's what bothers people.
Gahara fell for Araragi because he saved her, that's it. Almost every other chick has more developed reasoning for wanting to be close with the guy.
Pretty much all of those chicks are willing to go the extra mile for his sake like Araragi does for them, Gahara actually stands out less than the others in this regard due to her position in the story.
Gahara's explained what he likes about Araragi. Araragi in general can explain what he admires about the chicks in this story, except for Gahara for some reason. Whenever he's asked why he loves her, he gives a weirdly vague answer compared to what he does for everyone else.
It's not surprising that people dislike the pairing really, sometimes it seriously feels like this was the intended effect.
>>156591773
>Bat murdered a priest, Bat attempted to get Araragi to murder humans and join her in her long undying existence. Feeding on the flesh and blood of humans as food.
Anons help me, I cannot take this much retardation at once
>>156587135
>AA
You know Honey Select is a thing right?
>>156587885
Well, how far did Crab and Kaiki go?
>>156591773
>Bat attempted to get Araragi to murder humans and join her in her long undying existence. Feeding on the flesh and blood of humans as food.
Are you actually serious?
>>156591877
>>156592038
Had Araragi been fine with being vampire pals with Kiss-shot she wouldn't have tried to kill herself to turn him back anymore. And being a vampire does include feeding on humans
>>156591958
Isn't it all illusion?
>>156575803
cat head + monkey tits + crab ass = perfection
>>156592101
Yeah
>>156591392
>Yes, how many women have you dated?None, I'm basically gay. I tell myself I'm bi and I'll eventually settle with a girl, but in 3D I've only ever felt attraction to guys.That doesn't excuse her being an awful person though, just because your limited worldview thinks that that's realistic.
>Snek, Cat, and Bat have all attempted murder... literally. And then act like whoops "just a mood" so nah.
Snek and Cat's were caused by mental breakdowns after years of stress and heaps of trauma, but they managed to stop themselves and big parts of their characters since then have been them trying to deal better so it doesn't happen again. Bat lived a tragic life where she was forced to kill to survive and the guilt from that eventually lead her to try and commit suicide. But thanks to Araragi, she's been given a new way of life where she doesn't have to kill and is trying her best to be a good person in this 2nd chance at life.
>Every "bad" thing she does, was in thought of how to protect him, think about it.
Irrelevant when it actually doesn't protect him and stops him from doing what he deeply wants to do. It's just her being selfish, no matter how you decorate it. And Araragi loves that selfishness. That's the most fucked up thing about their overall twisted relationship.
>>156591516
Bee is very simplistic and as I said way earlier, just a meme character. But because of that she has no flaws. She's a cute, slutty girl with a strong sense of justice and a desire to help others. There's nothing to dislike about her, which puts her above Crab and Bird. I shoulda clarified earlier that my tier list is mostly based off how much I like them as people, not how well written they are as characters.
>>156592125
But monkey is the one with the better ass and crab has the better tits.
>>156591864
Fair point, Guillotine-Cutter saw himself as justified, Kiss-Shot clearly saw him as a continued threat to herself if he existed, or maybe she just wanted to drive home the point to Araragi...
>Hey Bro, this is what we vampires do. Got it now kid?
>>156591877
>>156592038
Your collective failures to understand basic plot and Kiss-Shots motives are not my problem.
>>156592174
You like a guy who steals money from middle schoolers, a mass murderer and psychopaths more as a person than a girl who's kind of a dick sometimes?
>>156592174
>But because of that she has no flaws.
She's dumb. That's not me hating on her, it's an actual plot point that's followed through on - Araragi doesn't move out of the house and instead commutes to uni and back solely because he's afraid of what'll happen to Karen if he's not there. What happens in Karen Ogre stems from this too.
>>156592087
Anon, there are multiple things wrong with that post. This for starters:
>Bat have all attempted murder... literally. And then act like whoops "just a mood" so nah
The freaking novel pointed out that Kiss-Shot's killing had like zero effect on humanity. The death count would not even have increased with Araragi. The reason Kiss-Shot eats a ''whole'' human every month is because the humans would otherwise turn vampire. Kiss-Shot and Araragi, being as powerfull as they were survive easily on one human a month for the both of them. And like she said, it was no different then what humans do ''everyday''. She does it only once a month.
>"just a mood" so nah
I still don't get this.
>>156575803
I used to love Crab when I watched Bakemonogatari. She was my image of a perfect girlfriend.
Too bad her character was ruined.
>>156575866
This is the only correct answer.
>>156592262
Yes, because they're people who have good sides and feel remorse for their actions. Crab has no good side and feels no remorse. Despite never doing anything too extreme, she's the most suitable character for the term "psychopath" in the series.
>>156592328
That's isn't a flaw as a person overall, it just makes her cuter. It may be a flaw when it comes to her career tho...
>>156592332
Having zero effect on humanity as a whole doesn't make killing a random human a month justified especially when you had the choice whether you want to become a vampire or not
>>156575803
every other girl in the series you didn't list
>>156592262
Not him, but Crab is honestly more terrifying than either of them.
>>156576909
>corpse
ftw nerophyliac
>>156592431
Well it was that or keep being cursed. It's not fair judging a person when life continues to shit on you on the day you were born.
>>156592416
Kaiki didn't feel any remorse for stealing Karen's money and poisoning her or selling out Tsukihi. And while she's violent dick most of the times, saying that Crab has no good sides is pretty stupid. She very obviously cares a lot about both Araragi and Hanekawa
>>156592431
But what choice did Kissshot have? She should just starve herself to death because its the right thing to do?
>>156576909
Does she ever smile? I want to see her smile. I bet it's cute.
>>156592509
If it was that easy she would have done that years ago.
>>156575803
Crab > Cat > Monkey
>>156592499
Kiss-shot had it pretty hard before being turned, I wouldn't blame her for becoming a vamp. But at the point in time Kizu takes place she really has become a pretty remorseless killer, people wanting to put her down are pretty justified
Ougi.
>>156592539
She drops the kuudere completely and acts like a normal human bean in Koyomi Reverse. To the point where it freaked Koyomi out. Yotsugi picks up on that and tries to act kuudere again, which he felt bad about.
>>156592586
Exactly. Thats why I dont see any moral issues with her eating a human a month to stay alive. Lots of humans have caused way more destruction simply because they could. She's literally just eating enough to survive.
>>156592332
Her age is stated as "over 500" so we'll do roughly 520 years, she might have splurged a bit some months. Giving us a conservative estimate of 6,240 human lives. Sure, some might have been bad people. But really... 6000 lives lost is no different?
Araragi's sacrifice breaks that cycle, that's huge, and becomes a theme of being able to forgive the past. Something they'll clearly circle back around too.
As for the "just a mood" was a mere general statement, in a sarcastic manner about all the girls in his life. It was meant to depict the women in his life going on a "murderous rampage" but then everything being cool afterwards. You know, except Snek, because Snek is psycho and never take your eye off her.
>>156592599
Seeing as much dead as she had, don't blame her. Might sound bad, but she grew used to it.
>>156592647
I wonder what she's doing now. Musubi never tells us whether she's still with Tsukihi, does it?
>>156592667
It's already over 600, I though 604
Crab
I love stern women
Plus she is objectively the most attractive female based solely on this picture.
>>156592667
That amount of dead over the span of over 500 years is not much anon. It's 12 people a year, it has no impact.
>>156580315
that is the kind of underwear someone that is going to fuck would use
>>156592667
>"murderous rampage"
but that was never the case with bat.
>>156592796
You should tell that to the families of those roughly ~6k probably innocent people
>>156592860
Do you apologize to cows you eat?
Waiting for Bake 3 to come in the mail. How far along do you think they will make it before giving up?
>>156592889
I don't think I was a cow before becoming human or that Cows have any wishes or dreams that I would destroy by killing them or that anyone might be sad if I killed that cow
>>156592796
And if Arargi allowed her to live, which 12 people in his town would she have feasted on so far, this year?
A friend? A stranger? A relative?
He saved her, and to take away or diminish the crimes of her past, is to diminish the tragedy both of them have endured.
>>156592860
It's over the span of around almost 500-600 years. When I say impact, I mean that it did not effect humanity in any negative way. It's not even noticeable. It sounds much because of the estimate we make up, over ''500'' years.
Yes she has killed a lot of people, but it was to survive. I am sure that not eating would have hat even more negative effects. It's very much possible that Kiss-Shot would have gone out in a rampage attacking people to silence her hunger if she decided to ignore it. Otherwise she would have starved herself sooner.
>>156592889
I don't eat other mammals, you psychopath.
>>156593031
What about amphibians or birds? Do you eat those?
>>156592902
Bet they'll give up around Nise
>>156575803
>Will never book fight with Monkey.
Why live?
>>156592996
He did allow her to live. That was the whole point at the end, he refused for her to die. And Araragi was lucky that Meme has an alternative option for him. But Araragi wanted Kiss-Shot to live.
>>156593077
Anything is possible.
I can honestly say if these girls were real and in between the ages of 10 to 13, I would have sex with them all.
>>156593075
Neko Kuro is already confirmed I think
>>156586808
Just about completely confirms my initial choice of Crab.
Where do I sign up?
>>156593089
Correct, I should have said "as the being she was".
>>156593125
Shinobu is like 500 though so it's totally legal.
You could shoot pornos and it'd be fine.
>>156592902
Are they going to make the other books into audio books eventually? I really liked Kizumonogatari.
>>156593031
Is a vampire a "mammal"? What is a human to a 500 year old vampire? How do you think she views humans considering shes an entirely different species? I'd imagine she views them the same way I look at cows. Brainless food.
>>156575803
The cat if she's actually cat. Otherwise monkey.
>>156592889
If it was possible to hold a conversation with cows, I expect I wouldn't eat them.
>>156593125
>>156592431
Being a vampire was the morally correct choice there though. Her options were:
A. Continue being cursed and have every person who sets eyes on her die horribly.
B. Become a vampire and only have to kill every once in a while, and the people who she kills are honoured by actually serving a purpose in death.
>>156592502
>Kaiki didn't feel any remorse for stealing Karen's money
He stole the equivalent of like $20 from her, and did it to teach her a lesson about not meeting complete stranger adults alone. A tough lesson is the most effective lesson, and was rightly used to warn her against doing such a dangerous, stupid thing.
>and poisoning her
He didn't though? He gave her an anaesthetic which weakened her for about a day, it was Shinobu and Araragi jumping to conclusions which made them think it was poison.
>or selling out Tsukihi
Okay, that's less easily defendable. Maybe he knew Kagenui would find and kill her anyway, so just decided to speed up the process. Alterantively, he didn't even know what "exorcising" actually entailed, given how little he knows about the occult compared to the other specialists. He might not have known that it involved killing a being which has the same intelligence and emotions as a human.
But I wasn't thinking about any of those when I was talking about his good side and feeling remorse, I was thinking about the entire arc devoted to him feeling guilty about ruining Crab's family and risking his own life to save her.
>She very obviously cares a lot about both Araragi and Hanekawa
In very selfish ways where she's inconsiderate of them and tells them what to do.
>>156593181
Name one great vampire inventor? That's right, none, humans are best sentient species. Without humans, Vampires would all be living in mud and stone castles still.
>>156593210
I work with cows. If they could talk, they wouldn't say much.
>>156593256
>>156593125
Who could ever want to fuck this?
>>156593336
Dat Bee-hind though.
>>156593181
The "humans are to vampires as cows are to humans" position is seriously flawed. Cows don't turn into humans if they've been bitten by humans. Humans are not cow-like to the point of being able to talk to them and live among them while hiding their true nature. Humans are not invulnerable to things that would kill cows.
>>156593255
Well, I agree. Unless you go all-out Utilitarist or something which would mean sudoku, becoming a vampire was a better choice
But
>defending Kaiki literally stealing and cursing a teenager
I love him, but don't you see what mental gymnastics you're doing? He's a great and well written character imo, but he does a lot of bad stuff and doesn't feel guilty in the slightest.
>how little he knows about the occult compared to the other specialists
He's not too shabby of a specialist actually, he just focuses on fake oddities. Both the Flame-wreathed Bee and the Slug Tofu were fake oddities but did have real effect on Karen and Nadeko.
>Gahara helps in very selfish ways
Her looking for Hanekawa and giving her a roof were genuine acts of friendship and her going to Kaiki and dropping her pride to save her beloved was also pretty sweet. Don't make me defend her, I don't even like her but saying she doesn't have any kind moments really isn't true
>>156593479
I dont see how any of thats relevant. She needs to eat one human a month to survive. Humans are literally her only form of sustenance. The fact that cows cant talk doesn't really change any of that. The point is that compared to a 500 year old vampire, anything your average human has to say is probably inane bullshit in the grand scheme of things. I dont see a problem with an apex predator eating the miminum required to survive. Or at least, I dont judge her based on my normal understanding of "morality". Obviously itd be nice if all those people didnt have to die, but considering the circumstances Im not really gonna judge.
Vampire needs donuts to survive.
>people unironically choosing something other than pic related
>>156593727
Filthy vampire apologist.
Man is best race. Vampire trash are useless drains on society.
>>156593825
I chose Crab so I could have her and access to Monkey
>>156575803
Marry Cat, Fuck Crab, Kill Monkey
>>156593956
>kill monkey
Are you fucking blind?
>>156593825
>>156594002
Bland you mean.
>>156593825
I am not completely driven by lust.
>>156594066
You're not? I am.
>>156594066
well she is the most fun out of the three
your other options are some know it all and some sharp tongued girl
>>156594176
Yes, she is, especially after reading Suruga Monkey and Nadeko Snake, but this anon was just using her body as a reason to live her, which is vacuous and vain.
>>156594269
like*
>>156593825
That monkey sure has a nice butt.There's always been something very aesthetically pleasing about her room.
>>156593727
Nonetheless, there is a difference between "utterly incapable of communication, different species" and "whatever we've got to say is probably inane in the grand scheme of things, were members of the same species before being magically transformed".
A more apt comparison is between an adult and a toddler. To an adult, anything the toddler says isn't going to be that meaningful, but communication is possible. There is a vast gulf in terms of length of time lived. And, most importantly, all adults used to be toddlers. Now if you've got an adult who lives by only eating toddlers, even if that is somehow the only thing they can eat to survive, I've got a thing or two to say about their morality. (The metaphor does fall apart in that toddlers naturally grow into adults as time passes, rather than being magically transformed by being bitten by an adult, but it's still closer than the cows and humans comparison.)
But hey, if you're okay with being eaten by someone that's capable of killing you simply because them being capable of killing you means that they're a suitable predator, good for you. But I'm not okay with it.
>>156594447
>killing you means that they're a suitable predator, good for you. But I'm not okay with it.
Not that anon, but you litterly understood nothing.
>>156593580
>don't you see what mental gymnastics you're doing?
Not when it's all already there in the story itself. He's meant to be this big villain that's had tons of buildup, but when Karen is completely defenseless in front of him and he could do whatever he wanted with her, he choose to steal her allowance and warn her not to meet with strangers. And then he goes and meets up with her brother and explains the situation. It's clearly meant to be portraying him as far kinder in reality than everyone else thinks he is ans he himself wants to be seen as.
>Her looking for Hanekawa and giving her a roof were genuine acts of friendship
They were what any reasonable person would do, and the conversatins she had with Hanekawa afterwards were completely inconsiderate of her feelings and issues, where she basically fucking blames her for the mindset an entire life of neglect and abuse has cultivated in her, and does so in such a straight forward, unkind manner. Like jesus christ, is she trying to be her friend or mentally break her? It goes well beyond the "lol, she's just socially awkward" attitude that the series has been presenting her with into just being a cunt.
>and her going to Kaiki and dropping her pride to save her beloved was also pretty sweet
It was sweet, and the best her character has ever been, but it doesn't make all the other glaring issues in her and Araragi's relationship go away.
>>156594533
He literally explained why human morality can still apply to (turned) vampires before that
>>156575866
/thread
It would be better if all the monogatari girls were furry and had more interesting physical characteristics.
All this "Kissshot is justified because humans are just prey to vampires." talk is inherently invalid because that's not how Kissshot herself sees it. There's an entire arc about her trying to commit suicide because she's sick of a life where she has to kill people.
>>156594602
I believe it comes down to it, that no human should be okay with it. But he's is trying to explain that she is only doing what she has to to survive, comparing her actions and morals to humans, trying to explain that her actions are not to blame on her.
Starvation was not even an option for her, since that could turn out even worse.
>>156575803
Marry Monkey, Fuck Monkey, Kill Snake
>>156592328
>Araragi literally doesn't care about his girly littlest little sister being outside of the country alone + being a club addict
Savage
>>156594582
Well yeah, Kaiki is not the evil overlord Karen portrays him like and what one might think from his first meeting with Koyomi. But while being undoubtedly kinder than one would expect at first, hurting a little kid and stealing her money is really not a thing a good person would do. I mean, yeah, he could've done way worse than just taking a bit of money and teaching her a lesson but that doesn't excuse stealing and putting a fake oddity on Karen
While Senjogahara was a bit of an asshole about it like always, Hanekawa needed a talk like that. And I don't think she'd frantically search the whole town for Hanekawa and cry for her if she didn't care
>but it doesn't make all the other glaring issues in her and Araragi's relationship go away.
At least I can agree on that
>>156594940
Koyomi knows that the smaller little sister can look out for her self and if she ever went and did something bad, he promised to get her into jail himself (and then visit her every day)
And she might still have Yotsugi with her, she should be pretty save
>>156576642
super man wrong played in my head
also monkey.
Fuck a cat, marry a daki, eat a crab.
>>156595119
I want to have sex with the bird in front of the doll! She'd have to watch all the lewd stuff I'd do to the bird while not being allowed to move in the slightest or otherwise she'd give away her disguise
>>156593825
T H I C C ness is all that matters.
>>156594843
Still, one way or another the choice is between "live by killing people" and "die", and she chose to live by killing people. Grantedshe did attempt suicide in a roundabout way, but she still took a few hundred years to decide to do that.
And further to the vampire/human human/cow argument, cows are not literally the only thing humans are capable of eating, and in point of fact we need to eat other things as well; cow alone does not meet all our dietary needs.
>>156595024
>doesn't excuse stealing and putting a fake oddity on Karen
The reason he placed the fake oddity on her was because she was going to beat the shit out of him if he didn't subdue her. remember? And do you really think someone like Karen would learn her lesson if he just told her not to mess with strangers? Taking her money, which overall wasn't a lot but would've been more than a whole month's income for a middle schooler, was the best way to try and teach her he could think of.
>I don't think she'd frantically search the whole town for Hanekawa and cry for her if she didn't care
She does care about Hanekawa and Araragi, but in this really twisted way where she's never thinking about their feelings or whether her actions will hurt them or not. I think her conversation with Araragi in Owari 2 sums it up best, where she says that if she ever found someone she liked better than him, she'd discard him in an instant. With the possible exception of her father, she sees everyone around her as goods for her to use. She likes Hanekawa and Araragi because they're the highest quality goods around.
>>156582363
Your stupid, anon. Kill self.
>>156591092
>>156591510
t. cocklets
You would lose erection and develop erectile dysfunction on the spot in faced with Hanekawa's gaze.
>>156595678
Yeah. he did have to stop her in someway. Knowing Karen she would have just beat him up if he didn't give back the money and promise not to trick any kids anymore. I still don't think it really excuses the things he's done, I mean, Karen had a good reason for coming after him. Using kids naivety to take their money and literally stealing aren't okay. Tricking Senjogahara and her father out of their money was also pretty evil, but he did honestly make up for it at this point.
I also don't agree with him selling out Tsukihi, though I can understand Kagenui's point that the Dying Bird's existence can be considered a bad thing as unknowing families have to raise a "monster". Then again, Kagenui and Kaiki seemed to think she was a phoenix at that point and Kagenui wanted to destroy her simply for being an immortal.
>>156593336
Her complete lack of emotion is so adorable.
>>156591239
>You're probably one of the guys who thinks being a cuck is the biggest sign of trust you can show, don't you?
Nah - the whole concept of a cuck stems from deep-rooted sexual insecurity that would never crop up in a relationship like araragi x crab. You obviously don't understand what "trust" meansor suffer from the insecurity yourself.
>>156575803
Yes.
>>156596888
Both Araragi and Senjogahara have severe trust issues and do things behind each other's back frequently even though their whole relationship started on the promise to tell each other the truth. In fact, them not telling each other is one of the causes for their frequent backup.
>>156597073
There's a big difference between lying to someone and not telling them something because you don't think there's a reason to, or because you don't want to burden them with it.
Snek, Shes cute and fiesty, what is there not to like?
>>156597163
She's a cunt with a sexy body I'd like to hatefuck.
>>156597160
There's a thing called lying by omission. Koyomi knew very well that Senjogahara would want to know that Sodachi is living with him and him not telling her about living together with a girl he kinda seemed to like wayback when isn't a really good sign of trust.
Imagine you'd find out your girlfriend has been living with her ex the past few months when you where working about, I don't think you'd see it as some sign of trust.
>>156597163
She's the spoiled only child that never had a hard life in the show. She's the one that places herself in her own mind space. There was no great tragedy, peril, or curse that beset her. It was merely her own labido and greed that drove her easily destroy other peoples' lives just to satisfy her selfish desires.
Fuck spoiled snek bitches~!
Crab is my waifu.
>>156597163
Killing everyone Araragi ever liked or loved because he has a girlfriend seems like a rather good reason to dislike her. But she's cute, I'd forgive her if she ever apologized to anyone.
Her manga is shit tho
>>156597457
>>156597232
>>156597341
snake a shit
>>156597545
I think I just heard my penis say "D'Awww"
Please excuse me, I must have a metaphysical discussion with myself and determine how to stop being attracted to crazy.
>>156597457
If only she killed Crab.
>>156597457
don't bully snek
>>156597457
>Killing everyone Araragi ever liked or loved because he has a girlfriend seems like a rather good reason to dislike her.
True, and I'd dislike her if I knew her as a person, but as a character I really like her.
>>156587670
this is the real crab
>>156589060
hahaha she gets the enema not you
>>156588908I would love that
>>156575803
>>156591082
im a follower of this but im more in the music, i have uploaded a few here if you wanna listen i guess https://vid.me/AnimeAndGameOSTs
yes vidme because youtube is awful, will upload more soon
if you have something uploaded you can comment or send me a message there or something, well thats all
>>156598794
Are you lost or something?
>>156591020
these are good points. i don't know how they could have resolved medusa without kaiki's help however. he even says that "she always loves like its her first time" so he knows that she only has whats best for her and ragi in mind.
>>156591802
i think the conclusion to be made is that the relationship isn't healthy, because while all of their problems seem to have justifications, the problems still exist unresolved and end up afflicting their relationship. i'm not sure why he even picked her to be honest. i guess because she's the only one willing to put herself out there for him, but that would actually be a result of her own weaknesses and not strengths.
delet apparations
>>156599242
No shit it's not healthy. One of the conclusions I came to early in the piece - ie when Bakemonogatari was all that had aired - was that one of the points it was making is that all the character and relationship archetypes we see so much in anime and obsess over and love so much are really bad to actually live with. Even if some of it can be heartwarming in its own twisted way. Not a single bit of any part of Monogatari since has done anything to even reduce my conviction of that, much less change my mind.
monkey every day of the week and twice on sundays
>>156593956
>>156575803
only Cat is for love
>>156592902
As long as they get to Kabuki so I can get an un-botched version of the arc I will be happy. They've already announced Neko Kuro, so it's not too far away.
>>156599559
I'd say the relationship between the Araragi siblings is pretty sweet and the whole sexual tension never seems like a bad thing
>>156594447
You guys are literally arguing about ethics of a fictional and utterly impossible species. Vampires are fundamentally incapable of being bound by conventional human ethics because they live forever, regenerate, and don't need any sustenance besides human blood to survive. If they feed on a human and don't kill them, they become a vampire, which is identical to killing one human and creating one vampire. If the the vampire feeds on the human, one human is killed and no vampires are created. If vampires never killed humans while feeding eventually there would be no more humans, and then no more human blood for vampires to feed on, which would then result in all vampires dying. The correct thing to do when a vampire feeds is to actually kill the human. You're not justified in telling the vampire to die for the sake of humans, because otherwise the vampire is justified in telling a human to die for the sake of vampires. They're fictional anyway.
>>156599751
Only born vampires (in which case Suicide-Master is the only one we currently know of) should be excluded from human morality as every single other vampire was once human
>>156594602
Plenty of human moral values would still absolve her. For example, an awful lot of people subscribe to the idea that everyone deserves the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Calling her evil for doing what she absolutely needs to in order to survive is the same as saying that she has no right to live. Plenty of humans are completely forgiven if they kill in order to protect their own life.
>>156599751
We also debate which entirely fictional characters we'd like to fuck. What's your point?
The answer is always Monkey
>>156599917
But she takes away the life of innocent people. Don't they also have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
The best way for a vampire to live is only taking the life of people on death's row like Dramaturgy is actually doing
>>156600027
They do. That's why they have the right to fight back against the vampire with lethal force. Sometimes circumstances make it so only one person can walk out alive and neither one is in the wrong.
>>156599875
yeah shinkbu's biggest problem is that she judges herself as if she was a human, which she's not anymore. you might argue that's why these criticisms are valid but I think upon becoming a vampire and transcending humanity in such a physical way would absolve you of human morality. it would of course be hard to let that human morality go but it's not like all humans are good at being moral anyway, harshly judging oneself for not meeting human standards post-humanity is misguided when you couldn't meet those standards as a human.
>>156600115
The most tragic thing about Shinobu is that she chose to become a vampire so people wouldn't wind up dead because of her but it probably caused her to have an even higher body count
>>156599929
yeah i'll concede it's hypocritical but i think when you debating fictional characters as objects the fictitiousness is accounted for, but when you debate them as people the fictitiousness is lost and people get carried away. it's not necesseraily bad as much as that people get carried away in these more nuanced discussions and get personally offended because of it, which isn't very productive.
>>156600173
>she chose to become a vampire so people wouldn't wind up dead because of her
Not quite. She chose to become a vampire so that when people died for her, it would not be in vain.
>>156599655
I want them to get to Owari but that's gonna be almost impossible. I'm gonna keep buying all of them anyway though.
>>156600228
Ah, you're right, didn't really remember it properly. Still, Kiss-shot's intentions were rather noble and her curse was very fucked up, judging her for what she's done is pretty difficult
>>156600389
Of course, all the really interesting moral dilemmas have that kind of complexity.
>>156600345
Owari 1 seems like an interesting read, the mystery aspect should work better as a novel but I'd miss the perfect voice acting.
If it gets to owari it's unlikely they'll not translate everything though, no matter how many books Nisio writes.
>>156600345
Oh yeah. The train isn't stopping here either. The books are affordable enough that I can keep buying them if only for the sake of encouraging more translations. That'll just be the point where I won't be devastated if they drop the translation.
>>156600565
The translation is very good, the only thing that bothers me is the lack of honorifics, my dear senior lil' missy tsundere.
>>156575803
> Cat, Crab or Monkey
Ka-ka! Ka-ka-ka!
>>156600616
It works out most of the time. Even in your sample, Oshino's voice comes through really clearly.
>>156600616
It's kind of a shame about the honorifics. The only other thing that bothers me is Mémé
>>156600692
It really does, I was just nitpicking. The banter is really enjoyable, especially at the beginning of Nadeko Snake, I wanted Araragi to fuck Kanbaru against a tree so fucking bad.
>>156600718
>moé
>>156600718
Yeah. It's a valiant effort to give readers the correct pronunciation, but the literal effect of those accents is "Maymay."
>>156600823
Which is still better than "Meem", which is what they'd otherwise assume.
>>156600823
>>156600859
Are people who are not familiar with the series or with basic Japanese pronunciation buying them?
>>156600859
Fair enough, I suppose. It just always looks silly to me seeing the name written with accents
>>156600934
Well, not all names in the series are Japanese so people could assume his name is like the English meme on purpose
>>156600934
You do kind of need to assume that not all your readers/viewers will already be familiar with the series and/or proper pronunciation of Japanese.
>>156600955
Oh it looks pretty silly to me to, it's just that I realise it is kind of necessary.
>miyuki sawashiro
Anyone who answers cat or crab is doing so ironically.
>>156600934
It's a really shitty business move to translate in a way that excludes them.
>>156601076
It's not that bad. It isn't like game publishers not including the original Japanese audio, now that's a shitty business move.
>>156601203
But it is. They've already got a hold on the core market by putting out a translation that isn't shit. Changing some names might raise eyebrows, but it's almost never gonna stop someone who is already invested in the series from buying the books. However, adding in all the honorifics would be more likely to make casual potential customers say "what is this weeb shit?" and dismiss it or those who are fans more hesitant to recommend it to people who aren't into anime. Maybe they're only getting 5% more sales from that, but it's still more money that goes into their pockets.
It also doesn't cut off the possibility of the books blowing up and becoming more mainstream. Sure it's a pipe dream, but don't obstruct it if you don't need to.
>>156601332
I certainly agree with all that. I do personally think that it could stand to have been slightly less localised, but it certainly wasn't a bad translation. And at the end of the day, I'd rather the translation be slightly less what I want and more people being able to get into the series.
>>156575803
You meant bat,snail and doll right?
and of course all 3 together
>>156601894
>looking cute versus absolutely owning the outfit
Shinobu's superiority is apparent from just this image. Hachikuji and doll are looking great, but not going above and beyond.
>>156602021
to be honestthat's the only none lewd image I got of them together
>>156601894
genius!
I might be the only one in this thread who thinks there isn't a shit girl.
>>156602050
This artist has been doing some nice SoL group scenes of them.
>>156602127
I'm with you. I hate Nadeko but I don't think she's shit.
>>156602128
This is his best, but it'll be hard to reverse search for a while.
Crab on monkey
>mfw monkey fag but crab shares my birthday.
I wanna fuck the dyke out of monkey.
>>156576656
Why is she so strong?
>>156599559
>was that one of the points it was making is that all the character and relationship archetypes we see so much in anime and obsess over and love so much are really bad to actually live with.
If that were the case then Gahara wouldn't have been the one to get with him. You guys keep going on about how realistic some of the aspects of this series are (it really isn't in my opinon) yet look at the basis of Gahara and Araragi's relationship, he saved her and she fell for her. That's all there is to it. Araragi has a more nuanced relationship with every other girl in the series (short of maybe Nadeko), even in Bake, even in the anime adaptation after Shaft cut out chunks of his time spent with the other girls.
Their relationship is exactly the sort of shit you guys keep saying wouldn't/shouldn't work when talking about the other girls.
>>156588864
>discount Monkey
Kinda, they're different enough though. The similarities are that they're both fit tomboys who are overly intimate with rrragi. The differences are that Karen's a dumb justicefag who watched too much toku as a kid or whatever, whereas Kanbaru is basically just genderbent rrragi (insecurities and all)
>>156575803
>no snail girl
0/10
>>156592902
I could die happy if they get to Koimonogatari
Snake
After having read Bake 3. I have gained way too much respect for Hitagi's father.
His self-awareness is off the charts and he diligently spends his time trying to work off the debt that his piece of shit wife burdened them with.
Honestly, were it possible to get a book about the parents of the series. I'd read the fuck out of that.
>>156605164
How about a cute little SoL of Papa Oikura being a drunk and abusive piece of shit
That being said, I really want to see the father of the Araragis someday. I wonder if he's super genki like the Fire Sisters seeing that the mother seems to be an overly strict justicefag
>>156605164
Gahara probably would've killed herself years ago if not for him too, he doesn't get enough credit.
>>156605900
How strict could the Araragi parents be, they were fine with having Sodachi live with them despite that being a big no-no within the narrative. I find it hard to believe that they're not aware of how close the sisters are with Koyomi too.
>>156605959
mamaragi being like "So you're house burned down? Tough shit, we won't become your family" to Hanekawa left me with the expression. Then again, it's the only time we actually saw her, she doesn't seem to set any rules for Koyomi whatsoever and the Fire Sisters are running wild all the time as well. The only thing the parents seem to be strict about is stuff like Tsukihi not having a phone in Kizu since they thought she is too young
>>156606090
>mamaragi being like "So you're house burned down? Tough shit, we won't become your family" to Hanekawa left me with the expression.
Mamaragi is extremely charitable, and the entire house is a designated foster home. But she knows that there was something different about Hanekawa and that Hanekawa will not be able to be part of their family. She is allowed to stay as a guest indefinitely, but it can't be her new home. And it is not because the family doesn't want her, but because Cat doesn't know what home is.
>Snek sees my dick
>>156575803
Monkey.
Crab a shit.
>>156606151
I don't disagree but given the situation she seemed really harsh to me. Mamaragi isn't wrong in the slightest, but man, that girls house just burned to the ground two days ago
>>156605959
Given how forward Nisio is with portraying incestuous families in his other works, I think the Araragi family are just incestuous, which would explain their shared attractiveness and atheleticism, but also Karen's retardation.
>>156606330
>Paparagi and Mamaragi are actually siblings
It'd explain a lot
If Mamaragi was my sister, I'd want to breed with her too.
Monkey > Cat > Crab
>>156575803
Bat > Monkey > Crab
how often do cat and crab fuck?
>>156601894
>>156607445
Probably more often than Araragi and Crab fuck, honestly. I think it was in Nise where he mentions that the two spend a lot of time with each other but neither of them tell him what they get up to.
>>156585788
This guy got it right.
They don't fuck. They are only 17 and 18 or so for Pete's sake.
>Oishi KoyoKoyo Oishii?
Why is she so perfect?
https://youtu.be/k0KMYVJRaBY
>>156575803
None of them.
>>156608159
Fyi she is a canon child pornographer.
>>156591020
>And let's not even go into the many almost cheating moments Araragi had
The first thing Gahara does as Araragi's girlfriend is force him to go on a date with her flirty friend who almost killed him a few days prior. She then gets butthurt at the two actually becoming friends and gets concerned that he might leave her for Kanbaru.
Her background is tragic and all (although here I sympathise with her father a lot more than I do her) but even so, fuck Gahara. She was the one pursuing Araragi and not the other way around, why was she the one putting him through trials and shit?
Monogatari VR event (watching Kizu with kid Kisshot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzkBglQLZ-s
I want to be friends with male cat.
Cat, crab, monkey etc all pales in comparison to wolf.
>>156608980
>VR with Kiss-Shot on the roof
Muh dick
>>156606151
The problem is that she as a cop should have more training on matters of abuse and neglect. But with both Hanekawa and Sodachi, the Araragi parents failed. Sure, they like her, and the sisters like her (much more than Gahara ironically), but we already know that in one timeline, Sodachi was adopted into their home, so it's not like they couldn't.
A child who has only known abuse and neglect won't get the concept of a home on their own, Mamaragi handled that the wrong way, pretty words or not.
Sure, Hanekawa needed to accept her abuse and move on from it, but she surely could have been adopted by them. Sadly, the anime skipped the most important part of her letter, which was her accepting her abuse was wrong, which is the ultimate step in healing for an abuse victim. Hanekawa never got her stepparents to accept her, even after her change. Why did you tlink she spent new year's at a lonely hotel than at home. The LN made it clear she had that room until she graduated, but her "parents" got off scott free and she swallowed everything.
We know from Musubi she is still pretty much a nomad.
Nisio pretties it up by sweeping things under the rug, but Hanekawa and Sodachi have a long road to home in the figurative sense.
>>156589064
Why is Kagenui not on this?
>>156609668
>but we already know that in one timeline, Sodachi was adopted into their home, so it's not like they couldn't.
That's not what Reverse-Sodachi was, unless I'm misunderstanding how that arc worked. That was the sort of life Sodachi wished she was living, not an alternate universe Sodachi like Mayoi Jiangshi's Hachikuji.
>>156589064
Memes aside, Sodachi and Kaiki shouldn't be in the same tier. I like him and all and but he's just a depressed manchild who refuses to let go of an incident that happened decades ago and is only in his element when trying to outsmart dumb children half his age. He's not even close to being comparable to Sodachi (or a bunch of chicks on that list really)
>>156610025
>That's not what Reverse-Sodachi was, unless I'm misunderstanding how that arc worked. That was the sort of life Sodachi wished she was living, not an alternate universe Sodachi like Mayoi Jiangshi's Hachikuji.
Come to think of it, I guess you were right, given how the other reverse characters worked, but I think in her case, it may have implied that if Sodachi did rat out her parents, that was the life she would have led.
Even still, the point kinda stands, because who takes a kid into their home, understands that there are issues with her perception of things, and just lets an elementary schooler walk out like that?
I mean, objectively, they seem to have been pretty laid back on what would be a very serious undertaking. It's why I said Mamaragi made a lot of pretty speeches, but all she said to Hanekawa is, "you're turning your eyes away from the issue" and not in any way talking about ways to help that. We know from White that Hanekawa has confided in people before, which is the sticking point. From Hanekawa's perspective, there is no solution because society turned a blind eye to it. And Koyomi's mother just gave pretty speeches and her opinion about being a mother, but no options.
So it was no surprise with Hanekawa's twisted mindset that she only got, "ooh, she is a strong woman" from it.
>>156575803
Marry Cat, Fuck Crab, Kill Monkey
Marry Both Crab and Shinobu, because that's just the way it'd have to work.
Fuck Cat, Monkey, Doll thing, Sisters
Kill Snek, Kill Snek Dead
Adopt Snail
---
This is logically the most perfect experience.
Sex all the children.
>No grown snail
You all disappoint me.
>>156588742
>Thinking she's serious
It's like you're 10 years old
>>156591292
Lol no this problem doesn't exist since Shinobu literally fucks off for days at a time.
Snail. Not pedo btw.
>>156616442
She is serious, but cutting that line out of the rest of that conversation like people here do changes it's meaning completely.
I don't even like Crab much myself but people try too hard to hate on her I feel.
>>156616502
>Lol
Get back to whatever shithole you came from
>problem doesn't exist since Shinobu literally fucks off for days at a time.
Source: my ass
>>156576709
What did her tits get bigger?
>>156591457
Hey now. Higasa is best girl though. You gotta be top-tier if you can be a Kanbaru replacement AND blatantly call Kanbaru dumb to her face without her getting offended.
>>156616442
She is serious. She would change for a better guy in a heartbeat.
It's supposed to be a "heartwarming" situation where she talks about how she tries to be someone special to Araragi and Kanbaru while Araragi should also try to be that guy but it all goes to shit once you realize that she breaks up with Araragi effectively unintentionally foreshadowing a future event rather than giving us the moral "Work at your relationships to keep them"
>>156591457
Deathtopia seems like a more hipster choice for having more relevance while not being in the anime at all.
Or one of Araragi's coworkers, or one of Sodachi's classmates.
Is there already a release date for Shinobumonogatari?
>>156618195
>while not being in the anime at all.
>anime
>>156619133
>"What of the one who named the legendary oddity(ies) Araragi Koyomi confronts?" and "Do not overlook the blade-point, which has endured a long age of submission and gleams."
Can't wait.
>>156616602
Well, there are fractures in their relationship Nisio kind of passes over, when most of the fanbase is trying to make them seem like the perfect stable couple.
She does get too much hate, but Nisio likely knows himself about how fanbases roll, so he trolls the audience despite supposedly the coupling being established long ago. I don't need to tell you how badly he toys with Hanekawa/Araragi. Not to mention how Shinobu and Araragi's relationship bordering on a tense line between romantic and companionship despite him currently seeming to desire to want to marry Hitagi.
Also didn't help how Nisio snuck that bit in Owari where even dense as a brick Araragi can tell Hitagi feels threatened by Hanekawa just hanging with him, despite Hanekawa literally telling her she supports them. It's a mess.
If Monogatari's fanbase was as bustling as it was with Bake, you could imagine the shitstorms from the people who thought Hitagi/Koyomi was the perfect couple in anime because of episode 12 of Bake. Hell, I still see some saying that, despite swearing off the show post Bake.
>>156619421
Why did you swear off the show after Bake?
>>156575803
I want Kanbaru to jerk me off with her monkey hand.
>>156619421
This is basically marriage, it is marriage.
>>156619595
I didn't, I was talking about ex Monogatari fans, or rather, a lot of ex Senjougahara fans.
>>156619822
You see my point then. Because you can't (or shouldn't) try to marry someone when you're so attached to someone else you would kill yourself if they died.
What about when they have kids and something happens with Shinobu, is he gonna be like, "welp, honey, kids, I'll will see you on the flip side" as he slits his own throat? That'd be crazy.
>>156621508
>'ll will see you on the flip side" as he slits his own throat? That'd be crazy.
Not even that. Araragi and Shinobu are going staright to hell.
> "welp, honey, kids
It's really fucked up, but this is ultimately what it comes down to. Leaving Shinobu is not even an option for Araragi and Shinobu takes Araragi's happiness above her own. Since Araragi does not want he to leave, she won't
>>156586117
>Names
I think he did that on purpose. I hope he did, anyway.
snail
>>156621508
Araragi is definitely planning on outliving everyone in his life so that doesn't have to happen. However, Shinobu has brought up that sort of scenario so he was not ignorant of it when he made his vow.
>>156622147
Shinobu wants to stay by his side. The only hesitation she had was making sure that Araragi was okay with it, because it does come with a lot of downsides.
>>156625169
>Shinobu wants to stay by his side. The only hesitation she had was making sure that Araragi was okay with it, because it does come with a lot of downsides.
Yes, this is what I meant
>>156624364
What would snail on my dick feel like?
>>156627892
About 20-30 without chance of parole.
>>156627892
Pretty much like my niece but dirtier and a ugly oriental face and body.
>>156628475
>>156628676
No dipshits. I mean a real snail.
>>156628932
Oh like a slug, but with Shelly there.
>>156628932
oh... A snail on your dick isn't that great. A snake is much better. You cant really feel the movement too well.
>>156628676
snail a cute you fgt.
Monkey is the best of those three. She's been fun without being a cunt, hasn't broken any important promises, and is pursuing a difficult but achievable dream. The other options are miss "break up with you over stupid shit then break into your house a year later to make up" and miss turbo autism.
>>156625169
>>156625705
Oh I know why, and I hope Nisio has Gahara confront him on it. Shinobu gets the sweeter end of the deal so of course she wouldn't bother to rock the boat, but Hitagi kind of gets relegated to second place.
If he isn't man enough to put her first, he has no business proposing marriage.
It's why I am glad for Hanekawa to have gotten the painful rejection, she should find her own way, it's cool she is so firmly monogamous. But I hope Nisio either solves this thing with Araragi and Shinobu, or lets Gahara move on. The worst thing they can do is get married as things stand. Probably why this Shinobu centric book is coming out so soon after they are planning marriage. Nip this in the bud, one way or another.
My favorite's Karen.
Doll.
>>156630267
>It's why I am glad for Hanekawa to have gotten the painful rejection, she should find her own way, it's cool she is so firmly monogamous
Hanekawa's the weird third (fourth?) wheel of the relationship though, even if it's not really romance anymore. They hold a strange relevance to each other that might override everything else if/when it needs to be acted on. I dunno what their conversation in Musubi was supposed to be setting up but something is going to happen involving her soon, I think.
Bat is immortal, gives you super vampire powers and has your back at all times coasting inside your shadow. Can turn into a tittycow, teenager, or loli if that's your bag. It's pretty hard to argue that she is best.
Crab is close second though and best of the human girls. I wish I could find a crab gf.
>>156631590
*isn't best.
>>156575803
araragi's and kanbaru's interactions were the most fun, so monkey
>>156631399
As long as she doesn't become a villain or Nisio kills her in a blaze of glory, it's cool.
>>156575803
Only Hanekawa can defeat the cock
>>156631399
I honestly don't know if Nisio is writing her mostly out of the story, or if he's setting up some big event with her. Her whole venture just sounds so stupid and overly lofty.
>>156630267
>Araragi said that he cannot think of a future without Shinobu in it.
I have no idea what Nisio is planning for Senjougahara. Next novel when?
>>156575866
fpbp
>>156632760
You can't beat the cock without knowing the cock and male cat knows the cock and how to use the cock.
Cunning
Hanekawa can't do it alone. She needs help.
>>156575803
Bird or bat.
Special help
>>156632957
>I have no idea what Nisio is planning for Senjougahara
Probably nothing, to be honest. He seems satisfied to keep her relegated to the "background love interest" role. I wouldn't be surprised if in Shinobumonogatari we find out they married off-screen.
>>156632822
If he just wanted to write her out, he probably would've just sent her on regular adventures around the world, but who knows. I'm a fan of Cat, but I think the shit he's pulling with her is stupid and a regression of her excellent character arc.
>>156632957
Shinobumonogatari was supposed to be sometime this summer.
>>156633976
I thought Stereogatari was next
.
>>156630267
>If he isn't man enough to put her first, he has no business proposing marriage.
Hitagi knows why he can't put her first. And she made it clear that she asked him out knowing what kind of person he is. And she knows that an Araragi who would abandon Shinobu is not really Araragi.
>>156630267
>I hope Nisio either solves this thing with Araragi and Shinobu, or lets Gahara move on
He sure has been dragging his heels on it.
Monkey > Crab > literal shit > Cat
>>156638945
>ywn sit on araragi's vamp cock while gently touching his hot iron abs as he gives you a cut with a paper airplane only for him to caress your bleeding wound so it can heal instantly
>>156639729
Hanekawa pls.
>>156633043
>>156632760
>Only Hanekawa can defeat the cock
G-guys, im afraid. Is this true?
Crab is a bitchy anorexic, Monkey is a dyke.
There is only one clear winner.
>>156642290
Crab?
>>156642290
Monkey?
>>156642290
Bane?
>>156576656
Why does monkey barely do anything for me but every time I see bee I get hard as fuck.
>>156642969
subconscious craving for bro-con
don't tell your sister. if you have one.
>>156575803
This isn't even a real question, the answer is so obvious
>>156647143
>meme meme meme
>reddit waifu
Like peanut butter and jelly.
^ And that answer is SHINOBU... We all love our Vampire Loli's :D
>>156647224
fucking pedo get off my board
>>156647363
>sample
>>156642969
Her lust for justice probably turns you on.She is actually cuter too I feel.
>>156647441
Literal perfection.
>>156575803
So much wasted potential.
>Kanbaru and Senjougahara are cute, but not oppai. Black is kinda oppai.
>Rest of girls are shit and/or blood related to MC.
>Show goes with about 1 girl at a time instead of getting them all.
It needs some changes like some oppai. Sekirei and DxD did this well.
>>156647441
It's too early dick, back down!
>>156575803
Tomboys are a miracle of the universe
Christ do threads take a long time to die at this time of night.