which one was superior, 2003 or Brotherhood?
2003
2003
2003
Brohood was really, really corny
>>156535751
Brotherh-
2003
2003
Brotherhood.
They're both shit.
>>156536013
This.
>>156536034
>>156536013
The only thing that's shit is your taste.
Fuhrer Bradley died from cancer recently.
I unironically think that brotherhood was better 2003
>>156537984
Yeah, most homos feel that way.
>>156535751
Brotherhood is more popular.
Therefore 2003
I felt both series were an odd mix of great and terrible.
>>156535751
'03 was better for the comedy.
Brotherhood was the better story.
>>156535751
Brotherhood. 2003 was weak in comparison
>>156538121
Came here to say this.
I absolutely love them both.
03 is better up to around the point Hughes dies. Then Brotherhood is better.
Both 2003 and Brotherhood are great
>>156538265
The funeral was way better in 03, what are you on?
>>156535751
2003 was great, but Brotherhood for actual story completion.
>>156538100
This
Dumb question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H55Rnao2bbg
>>156535751
2003.
>>156535751
Brotherhood for plot
2003 for presentation
Brotherhood
Brotherhood
>>156538389
That is nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQLrkW33f0
I like 03's version of homunculi better, and I don't like Father as a villain, but 03 had a shit ending
2003's Wrath was so edgy and gay it actually hurted me inside.
>>156535751
The manga.
>>156538813
FMA had a manga adaptation?
>>156538923
LN is better
Who the fuck could honestly think 2003 is better than Brotherhood?
brotherhood
2003 a shit
>>156538522
This is pretty much all there is to it.
>>156539056
>Who the fuck could honestly think 2003 is better than Brotherhood?
Everyone above the age of 18.
>>156539261
>I prefer shitty stuff that I watched when I was younger, as opposed to better more recent stuff.
Watch 2003 again, you were probably too young to realize how shit it was.
Same boring circlejerk, same boring replies, same boring bait.
>>156539360
2003 +movie is absolute cinematographique.
Memehood had such a typical corny shounenshit pleb ending it's unbelievable.
>>156539261
You're probably just having a duckling moment. I've never considered 2003 better, though I've seen it first. It was kinda meh: too many fillers, not as much character development as in the manga and the ending was one big disappointment.
Brotherhood was the best series and one of the best shonen ever made
>>156539484
But he really did.
>>156539716
>one of the best shonen ever made
That bar is set so low that it's reaching the pits of hell.
B because I'm not an edgy faggot. 03 had a lot of awesome elements, but as a series it's worse.
>>156539905
Care to elaborate?
>>156535751
2003
>>156539964
Well, when FMA is competing against shit like Nurutu, Bleach and Fairy Tail, it's not too hard to be better than those.
>>156539964
He's using the "all shounen is shit anyway" argument.
>>156539964
Goddamn /a/, I leave for half a year and 50% of posters are complete fucking newfags now.
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?
>>156538813
I opened this thread to post this.
I haven't watched Brotherhood. I downloaded it years ago, but if I"m going to watch a direct adaption of the manga I would rather read the manga again. I imagine Brotherhood is better, since the manga has a better story, but after listening to the OST, I feel that the original anime had a better soundtrack.
So, like Hellsing, I guess, where the first anime has a killer soundtrack and a fucked up shit story, and the second series remedies that by sticking closer to the manga but has a pretty mediocre soundtrack.
Brotherhood made me cry like a baby the three times I watched it in the scenethat Hoenhein dies
2003 felt like a tragedy fest, which is good if done well; and while it is, I just prefer the "good ending" that is Brotherhood
>>156540311
>WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?
YoI. YoI happened. You're not in /a/ anymore. Welcome to /oxygen/.
>>156540311
Only newfags get mad because of their memes. If you were here long enough, you wouldn't care. It's like a retatded merry-go-round
03 is objectively superior
>>156538265
This! Absolutely this!
Watched them one after the other.
2003 for the adventure
Brotherhood for the story
If you have to choose one and only one watch Brotherhood, however i highly recommend 2003 then brotherhood.
>>156540307
No, I thoroughly enjoy the genre. Not all shonen is tournament shit "big 3" junk.
>>156540791
shounen isn't a genre
2003 was chuunishit
Brotherhood was shonenshit
chuunishit > shonenshit
>>156540893
What do you even mean by that?
>>156540893
You mean chunnin, like in Naruto?
>>156540893
I don't see how it was chuuni, it might have been excessively dark but chuuni usually implies lots of bullshit special powers wannabe DEEP shit. In that case brotherhood fits the description better with its bone stock "DUDE GOD IS THE BAD GUY LMAO" storyline complete with asspull special powers to seal the conclusion
>>156540946
>>156540989
>2017 /a/ doesn't even know what chuunibyou is
Why did I bother coming back
>>156535751
>Ed didn't stay a manlet
Shit series
Also
>>156538265
>>156541039
How fucking old are you, like 40?
>>156541039
It's not that I don't know. is that I don
t understand what do you mean by that. 2003 is teen-angsty and meh. but not full-blown chuuni.
>>156541098
No, just 24. But apparently I'm on the old side now. It's going to happen to you as well.
>>156541098
most people here are in their 50's newfag
>>156535751
Brotherhood because I liked it better.
>>156541144
Fucking yongster. That's why you are so cringy.
>>156541016
>asspull special powers to seal the conclusion
>bone stock "DUDE GOD IS THE BAD GUY LMAO" storyline
?
Father was "AN EXPERIMENT GONE WRONG" kind of thing, wasn't he? If I'm not mistaken he was the result of some fuckery with the essence of the Eye or something like that
>>156541206
I wish I was on the young side still. Pretty sure the average age has remained maybe 20 in all the popular boards.
>it's an /a/ discusses one of the most pleb and rebbit anime ever meanwhile my PES: Peace Eco Smile - Drive your Heart thread gets deleted episode
>>156539056
The motives of the homunculi are better, and not much else. Some people will act like faggots and insist that the tone and mood is better in 2003, but they actually just like darker colour design with unconventional directing and shit pacing because it creates the feeling of intellectuality.
>>156541468
Well, I'm 27 and was reeading FMA as an ongoing since the early volumes and you are sitting here and telling me I am a newfag because I don't care about your chuuni and shounen memes. You're fucking ridiculous.
>>156541575
I did the same faggot. FMA was one of the first anime I downloaded.
Newfag is not about age but how long you've been on the website, you know.
>>156541016
>God is the bad guy
no they are not just watched brotherhood again
>>156541506
>and shit pacing
as opposed to what? blitzing through some of the most significant parts of the story in 9 episodes and then spending an eternity in a snow castle doing precisely jack shit?
>>156541708
> FMA was one of the first anime I downloaded.
Well, that explains it then.
>Newfag is not about age but how long you've been on the website, you know.
I'm visiting this shithole from time to time and every time there's something new. Only the love for NGE is constant.
>>156541016
God is not the bad guy just watched brotherhood carefully
>>156541752
There wouldn't be any point in dragging it because a lot of people have already seen the 2003 version.
>>156539548
>2003 +movie is absolute cinematographique.
>+movie
Your taste is absolute shit. 2003 is passable, but the movie took a steaming dump on the 2003 ending. Nazis, then nothing changes.
>>156541016
>"DUDE GOD IS THE BAD GUY LMAO"
2003 was "DUDE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS GOD LMAO". No matter our feelings towards either regardless, 03 was atheist jack off bait and Brotherhood was antitheist jack off bait.
>>156541918
It's still shitty pacing, and what time they saved wasn't even put to good use. The northern region part was a brutal slog.
2003 was superior. Characters were great, mood was great, music was fantastic, animation was topnotch
Brotherhood's animation was trash, it was too overloaded with characters, music was forgettable, the only thing it has going for it is that it seems more cohesive because it's based on the manga. but towards the end you just dont give a shit anymore
>>156542051
Still much better than what we got in 2003. After they've used all the manga material the anime lost everything that was interesting about it. It doersn't matter what your pacing is if there's nothing to pace.
>>156541918
>There wouldn't be any point in dragging it because a lot of people have already seen the 2003 version.
Which means that those people are consciously comparing the new version to the old and inevitably being dissatisfied when the new one fails to capture the feel of the old.
As for new viewers, they're subjected to a truncated version of those same events and they never leave the same impression and fail to capture their interest.
So ultimately it was a move that only failed to impress for ALL viewers.
>>156542193
>Characters were great
Like who? Frank Archer and that busty thief girl?
>mood was great
They didn't ever come close to the epic level of the pre-coup arc in Brotherhood.
>music was fantastic
You just enjoy "Brothers". I don't. And now there's nothing good about the OST of 2003 except for Rewrite.
>animation was topnotch
>animation in 2003 was better than in Brotherhood
The nostalgia filter i strong with this one
>>156542438
>Which means that those people are consciously comparing the new version to the old and inevitably being dissatisfied when the new one fails to capture the feel of the old.
>inevitably
Nah, you've got it wrong. They made it so the people that were dissatisfied with the dull original part of the plot from 2003 would get a proper story
2003 had shitty fucking ending, doe yeah like some anons have said the homunculus were more developed than in the Brotherhood
>>156542522
completely missed what he was trying to say, congrats you're a retard
Both are good.
>>156542644
Well, that's on him for not being able to express his thoughts clearly
>>156542828
He did express them clearly, you're just too retarded to figure it out.
>>156542859
If he had expressed it clearly, there wouldn't be any need to figure anything out
>>156542916
Are you some kind of third world shitskin or something? I don't usually encounter stupidity this severe.
>>156542956
Go to /pol/, kid. It has some fresh memes.
>>156543045
That's because you're not smart enough to learn another language.
>>156542956
if you consider south america "third world shitskins" then he could be, there's a lot of them around. However, you'll need to refer to them as "bug-lovers" here
>>156543045
although i highly recommend returning to /pol/ and not coming back
>>156543118
>if you consider south america "third world shitskins"
Yeah I think that qualifies
>>156543111
Why would I ever want to learn the language of a pajeet? I have a toilet you know, we don't shit in the street here.
>>156541506
>The motives of the homunculi are better, and not much else.
I have no idea why people say that.
"We want to be human!"
Ok, why? You have pretty much all human functions already plus cool powers. Unless every single one had no greater aspiration than a career in Alchemy, what motivation did they have to want so bad to be normal humans? Remember, these motherfuckers decide to commit countless atrocities to... what? They're not "technically" human; Is that all? They do all that to fix a fucking technicality?
That's not a motivation, it's Template Sob Story #123413541234 copypasted seven times and not once does it make any sense. They're characters whose entire characterization relies on you feeling sympathetic for their struggle to get shittier bodies while they routinely fight against their ostensive "loved ones" and generally do not act like their originals at all. So even if you care about their completely underdeveloped originals (and by that I mean Tricia because Lusts' original has zero scenes), they go out of their way to act differently.
"Oh, look, Sloth is longing for her children!" Bitch, you've been gone for like a decade, helped cause a genocide and never once acted like you're these kids mother, who the fuck cares about this random sob routine?
That's not to mention the pile of incoherences on top of which that whole stuff is built. Someone assembled a pile of random elements into a human-like shape and just like that, created a sentient living thing with a soul and consciousness that has ties to or part of the memories of some dead people with no material link to them. The original story actually makes a plot point out of how retarded it is to think that any of this could possibly work like that. It's even a big character moment for Ed, Al and Curtis when they realize that none of that shit made any sense to begin with.
Also, dead bits of the thing they're modeled after are kryptonite to them because MAGIC.
First half of 03 is definitely better than its Brotherhood equivalent but it seriously drops the ball once they get into the anime-original shit. Brotherhood on the other hand fixes its shitty pacing and poor comedic-timing after the first dozen or so episode and is inarguably one of the most expertly constructed shonen series of all time for the rest of its run.
>>156543189
>it's not because i can't, it's because i don't want to!!!
Sure, kid. Whatever you say.
>>156543370
What is the best time of day to head to the shitting street in your opinion pajeet?
>>156543190
This. I'm glad someone remembers enough of that dumb plot to point out all the inconsistencies
>>156543441
I'm not Indian, idiot.
>>156542020
>Brotherhood was antitheist jack off bait
edward make a deal with Truth [he gave up his alchemy ] he accepted human inferiority in front of god
>>156543321
> Brotherhood on the other hand fixes its shitty pacing and poor comedic-timing after the first dozen or so episode and is inarguably one of the most expertly constructed shonen series of all time for the rest of its run.
The start of Brotherhood suffers from not wanting to overly repeat the material covered in '03, so it speeds through it instead or leaves it out entirely to be shown in flashback (Yoki's introduction). A big mistake.
>>156543575
And? We're comparing Brotherhood with 2003 and not arguing that Brotherhood has no flaws.
>>156535751
How the fuck can anyone say the Brotherhood version? That shit was like 90% filler.
How anyone can like Scar's characterization in the 2003 edition is beyond me. His backstory, and his motivations, and every single scene he's in is awesome.
The Nina episode was better in Brotherhood.
The relationship between the Elrics was better.
Envy was better. Everything is so much better.
I don't like that Lust got rekt so soon, but her death scene was one of the most intense in the series. She got absolutely blasted. Same with Envy...
The Wrath vs Greed underground tunnel fight scene was so well animated... it's like it was done by whoever did the fight scenes for Sword of the Stranger.
Admittedly, I haven't watched all of the 2003 version. I watched it on Toonami, or whatever it was waaaaaaay back before Brotherhood started. It was on Cartoon Network, but never got far. I have the entire series on mp4 now, but have only managed to make it to like episode 7 or so. Around the one with the fake Elrics, but I just can't get passed how badly Scar is portrayed. He literally runs like a bitch from Edward. Not only that, it's padded with so much filler even in the non-filer episodes like the Nina one.
Brotherhood. 2003's story was complete dogshit when it started to divert from the main. 2003 is only liked better by contrarians, landwhales, and the degenerate ilk of early 00's weeabooism.
>>156543575
Yeah I agree it's a really weak start, but it's only shitty for about half as long as 03 is good and it skyrockets in quality once they get into the later manga material.
>>156543683
>2003 is only liked better by nostalgiafags
Fixed that for you
>>156543683
NO, NOT FRANK ARCHER. PLEASE.
>>156543485
That was ONE. 2003 was chockfull of them and I could not stop facepalming the first time I watched it.
"Ed, have you ever wondered where the energy for transmutation comes from?"
WHAT
HOW THE FUCK COULD THIS EVEN BE A QUESTION
HOW DO YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE PRACTICING A DISCIPLINE OBSESSED WITH CONSERVATION OF MATTER BUT SOMEHOW NEVER WONDER WHAT POWERS IT
THAT SHOULD BE IN THE FUCKING FAQ SECTION OF EVERY ALCHEMY TEXTBOOK, NOT A SHOCKING REVEAL OUTSIDE-THE-BOX MOMENT
WHO WROTE THIS CRAP
only leddit faggots insist that brotherhood>03
brotherhood has awful characterization, shitty comedy, worse OST, manages to have even worse animation at many points even though it was made later, has shitty directing (compared to 03's awesome directing) etc.
>>156543683
>>>mal
>>>youtube comment section
>>156541016
>>156542020
>"DUDE GOD IS THE BAD GUY LMAO"
>Brotherhood was antitheist jack off bait.
Ya'll niggers are so stupid that you can't understand Chinese animations for teenagers. The only "bad guy" was Father. He wasn't god. His entire goal was to consume god for knowledge, making HIM the antitheist fedora tipper.
At no point in the series do Ed and Al blame Truth. They realize full well they were the ones that made a mistake.
>>156543835
Emma Watson is a whore...
and your taste in anime disgusts me.
>>156535751
anybody who thinks the retarded fanfiction version is better please off yourself
>>156543835
Only dumbasses think that only reddit faggots insist that brotherhood>03. 2003 has an didiotic plot, a meh soundtrack, some pointless teenage-angst level characterisation and an idiotic final.
Almost everybody likes 2003 sooo........brotherhood?
>>156543887
fuck off hoodfag
>>156543935
>2003 has an didiotic plot
what did he mean by this?
>>156544028
Here's a detailed explaination
>>156543664
>>156543887
Why Emma Watson has anime hair?
Reminder that without the Blood Seal mechanic from the original, the entire Lior subplot in 2003 was completely incoherent. Dante had Envy escalate the conflict without any infrastructure or plans to actually harvest those souls in place and let the whole thing drag one for several years, killing multitudes of people for absolutely no benefit to anyone ever, until a guy she in now way directed found a way to make a stone through means unrelated to her, settled in the place through no influence of her own, and ended up doing so not with the souls of anyone in Lior, but rather fresh soldiers she sent to him after he had done all the work without her guidance.
In short, the whole thing serves no purpose but to be ~dark and edgy~ story of the horrors of war engineered by people who made no effort to capitalize on it until everything magically fell into place through sheer coincidence.
Meanwhile, we mostly brushed over the Ishval genocide which, considering philosopher stones are now super hard things to make, was also completely pointless because those people weren't turned into stones either.
Basically, by wanking the creation of the stones into some astoundingly difficult one-in-a-lifetime thing, every single engineered massacre in the show ends up pointless because those souls couldn't be harvested anyway and the very existence of Amestris as a militarized state is pointless.
>>156544139
Better ask why anime has Emma Watson's hair
I hate the manga/Brotherhood for the homunculi, they are all worse than 2003.
2003 also had better fights, Brotherhood really rushed the 2003 content before the original stuff
>>156544117
Really hoodfag? Don't link your shitty explanation that no one replied to. You even said that you've only watched up to episode 7 of FMA 03 besides catching the occasional episode on Toonami a decade ago. Fuck off mate.
>>156544235
>I hate the manga/Brotherhood for the homunculi, they are all worse than 2003.
How are they worse? They might be less developed, but at the very least they are not as cringy as in 2003.
>2003 also had better fights
Mustang vs Envy
>>156544319
It's not mine explaination and I've watched both seasons and the Nazi movie.
>>156544319
That was me, not him you retarded nigger.
And I've only watched up to Ep 7 despite owning the entire series + the movies because it's so goddamned mind-numbingly boring. Brotherhood on the other hand is incredible and one of my favorite shows of all time.
2003
0
0
3
I wonder how many times we have had this argument since BH aired. Back then the consensus was BH was better but it seems like /a/ has come around to understanding '03 was better
>>156544139
she actually kind of pulls it off, makes my penis doki doki
>>156544235
>I hate the manga/Brotherhood for the homunculi, they are all worse than 2003.
See >>156543190
Why? No, really, why? Take away the scenes of wistful staring and actually look at what their stories are about. Are they actually better, or is it just nostalgia from when you were a teenager and "look, it's sad" was enough to short-circuit your perception to convince you this was deep and mature?
>>156544390
>hoodfags are so BTFO that they link to retarded posts where the faggot even admits he hasn't finished the series he's shitting on, because apparently "Scar isnt badass enough bruh"
>>156544405
You have attention span issues. Go back to where you came from hoodnigger.
>>156538713
>hurted
>>156544441
childhood was liking brotherhood
adulthood is realizing 2003 makes more sense
>>156544487
I guess, I've linked you to the wrong post. Here's the right one: >>156543190
>>156544487
>Being unable to sit through garbage
>Attention span issues.
Pick one faggotron
>>156544530
>things you say when the development of your emotional maturity is inverted and you're also more than a little gay
>>156544530
It didn't tho
>>156544466
You could make the exact same argument for why ed and al would want to get their original bodies back. Ed's mechanical limbs are seemingly higher performance to human limbs and far more resistant to damage, there isn't much of a good reason for him to want a human arm and leg back. Same goes for Al
>>156544235
>I hate the manga/Brotherhood for the homunculi, they are all worse than 2003.
Envy had no characterization except "grinning douche" until they sprung "LOOK, HE WAS HOHENHEIM'S KID"* in his last five seconds of screentime and then flushed him down a transdimensional toilet. He was one of the homunculi with the most screentime in the series.
I've heard "The Homunculi are more developed in 2003" but for the love of me I've never seen anyone explain WHAT it is that was better with actual references to stuff they do in the story. it's all contextual stuff like "they have ties to X," not anything that the characters themselves pull off.
*My reaction to this was "Huh? Where did that come from? So what?" I'm not sure this is what they were going for.
>>156544670
>Same goes for Al
- can't sleep
- can't eat
- can't feel
- looks weird
- can die if scubbed properly
At the same time Lust has big boobs, nice face, is generally immortal and can kill people with fingernails. There's a far better reason for Al to get his body back than for Lust to become "human".
>>156544610
>hoodnigger is also a narutofag
Really makes you think.
>>156544648
>It didn't tho
Stop typing like such a faggot, you hoodnigger.
>>156543683Yeah that part was really fucking stupid, and I preferred 03.
>>156544816
>Stop typing like such a faggot, you hoodnigger
You can't call anyone faggot and enjoy FMA 2003 at the same time
>>156543683
>landwhales
You're gonna have to explain the logic behind this one though.
>>156544799
Homunculi don't eat or sleep either, and some of them look weird.
You didn't answer about Ed either.
The reason all of them want to return to their original from is because they feel inhuman, like some GitS type thing where they aren't sure if they are even real or some manufactured monstrosity. See Al's freakout about that exact thing.
Lust in 2003 explains that exact thing to Ed near the end, it isn't hard to figure out.
>>156544816
you're not adding to the conversation at all, you're just calling people names.
2003
>>156544943
Narutofags aren't worth conversing with. Go back to your other anime forums
They both are fantastic, but I'd put Brotherhood slighty above.
03 had better character development, storytelling and ost.
Brotherhood had amazing animation, chareography and plot.
03 handled first half better.
Brotherhood handlet second half better.
03's Fifth Laboratory and Greed arcs were borefest.
Brotherhood's Liore and meeting with the teacher arcs were shitfest.
>>156544943
>hoodniggers type like faggots that haven't lurked here for very long
>"WAHH YOU CANT CALL THEM OUT BRUH, YOU FUCKING BULLY"
Get the fuck out of here retard.
2003 was better produced; better art direction, soundtrack and honestly even better cinematography.
Brotherhood has a better story since it's just the manga shot for shot, but that's the same reason why its presentation comes off as really stiff and uninspired.
So as an anime, 2003, but the definitive version of FMA is the manga.
>>156544933
>Homunculi don't eat or sleep either, and some of them look weird.
They don't need to, but they can, while Al can't consume food or fall asleep physically.
>You didn't answer about Ed either.
Isn't it obvious that being able to feel your leg and arm and not require a mechanic every now and than to be a functional human being is good thing?
>The reason all of them want to return to their original from is because they feel inhuman
That's some gender-study-lvl problem. That make all Homunuculi from 2003 completely retarded.
>>156544799
>>156544933
al's body is also trying to pull his soul out of the suit of armor so he's also facing his inevitable demise
>>156545001
I love when little retards like you act like you know who made what post and are just completely wrong. I made one of those posts, and neither of the others. Quit pretending you are a mod, or that you actually know shit about anything.
>>156545044
Who are you quoting?
>>156544670
>You could make the exact same argument for why ed and al would want to get their original bodies back
No you bloody fucking couldn't and you haven't seen the fucking series if you think something as retarded as this.
Ed didn't care that much about his limbs, he knew he deserved what he did, he just said "our" bodies because he didn't want to make Al feel guilty about it being all for his sake. It was always Al that got the real shaft and Ed felt guilty over it since he pushed them into it in the first place.
If you had actually read the manga or watched Brotherhood, you would remember Greed also saying the same stupid shit you just did. This was followed by Al calling him a retard and explaining that he lived as a cold husk unable to feel or taste or smell anything, lingering as an immaterial ghost attached to a piece of iron. He couldn't even sleep. He remained awake and aware at all times, and spent every night sitting alone with his thoughts in the darkness unable even to let his mind rest.
It was, overall, a shitshow of an existence. It's very obvious why you'd want to reverse that, even BEFORE Al realizes that the soul seal is feeble temporary, and that he only has a limited time before his soul gets yanked out of the armor and he ends up trapped in the white expanse of fuck all on the other side of the gate.
>>156545001
>>156545044
I wish for the time when minors would require a license to use the Internet.
>>156545094
>Isn't it obvious that being able to feel your leg and arm
He can obviously get some kind of tactile feedback from it otherwise his dexterity would be absolutely piss poor
>and not require a mechanic every now and than
As opposed to going to the doctor every now and then?
You know that there were people in the FMA universe who chopped their limbs off just to get automail right?
>That's some gender-study-lvl problem. That make all Homunuculi from 2003 completely retarded.
Considering Al throws a tantrum for about 5 episodes about that very thing I guess he's retarded too
>al's body is also trying to pull his soul out of the suit of armor so he's also facing his inevitable demise
They didn't know that until very late in the series, up to that point there was no practical reason to pursue a restoration of his body
>>156545171
>everyone who disagrees with me is a kid
You need to go back.
>>156544933
>Homunculi don't eat or sleep either,
Where does it say that? And they can clearly fucking eat.
>and some of them look weird.
Gluttony looks weird and he has no character whatsoever. Everyone else looks perfectly normal.
>The reason all of them want to return to their original from is because they feel inhuman
So the motivation for everything they do, and let's face it, pretty much sole characterization aspect, is "just trust me, it doesn't feel normal"? That's all? Nothing but a author-fiat-delivered line with no actual showing any of this involved?
>See Al's freakout about that exact thing.
They are never shown going through what Al goes through. There is no scene on the anime that portrays what you're saying, you're fanwanking a justification for one of the many things 2003 never covers.
>>156545243
It mostly because you act like a 12 y.o., not because you disagree with me or anyone else.
>>156545278
>There is no scene on the anime that portrays what you're saying,
He literally says flatout that he's convinced he was manufactured by Ed via alchemy and that's the reason he freaks out and runs away, not because he can't eat pie or some dumb shit like that.
>>156545290
Okay, we got that you were an ESL retard the first time you posted. Just stop mate.
>>156545240
>You know that there were people in the FMA universe who chopped their limbs off just to get automail right?
Man, Ed's limbs don't matter at all here, Ed's quest is about Al. I've answered you're question just to be polite.
>Considering Al throws a tantrum for about 5 episodes about that very thing I guess he's retarded too
Why? Homunculi have functioning bodies, he has only some weird metalk husk that doesn't feel a thing and can't sleep. There's a clear difference here.
>>156545342
And? You're still acting like a child.
>>156545240
>Considering Al throws a tantrum for about 5 episodes about that very thing I guess he's retarded too
That's 2003 stretching every piece of drama as much as it can. Read or watch the actual story, neither drags it for that long.
And more importantly, you are actually shown the character you are already attached to going through an identity crisis. Here, you're asking us to like characters solely because you're telling us they feel like this, while the 56 episode anime doesn't bother to try and show why being a homunculus is bad.
Also, they know for a fact that they are artificial, they're not having an identity crisis. Al's fear was that everything he knew is a lie. It would have been interesting to see HOW someone would cope with finding out they are fake, but rather than do that, 2003 just laser-burns all seven of them with the exact same resolution to that dilemma: "I want to use magic to make my body shittier."
That wouldn't make them real, mind you, they'd still be copies, so that wouldn't solve the identity crisis at all. The QUESTION of how a fake would behave is interesting, 2003 just jumps over that and settles on a random answer that wouldn't solve any of the issues you claim they have and expects you to care.
>>156545503
ESL.
>>156545459
>Why? Homunculi have functioning bodies
Why? I already said why, they are questioning if they are even real or have any free will or if they are just some puppet being controlled. I go back to my GitS comparison earlier, the major has a cybernetic body more capable than any elite athlete or soldier but still has that existential conflict about whether she's really human or not. It's the same type of thing, ESPECIALLY after Lust figures out that they were all being used just to prolong the life of Dante
Brotherhood is actually canon so that's better by default.
>>156545577
So? I'd rather speak a few languages than be some angry net kid.
>>156545657
ESL.
>>156545550
>Also, they know for a fact that they are artificial, they're not having an identity crisis.
Except they are all tormented by fragmented memories from their past lives.
>Al's fear was that everything he knew is a lie
>>156545588
> they are questioning if they are even real or have any free will or if they are just some puppet being controlled
> ESPECIALLY after Lust figures out that they were all being used just to prolong the life of Dante
>>156545588
> they are questioning if they are even real or have any free will or if they are just some puppet being controlled
And that's their reason to murder people? seems a bit idiotic
>>156545680
Looks like I broke this one. Bring me the next one
>>156545739
They are desperate and the only way out they can see is the stone, not to mention their only guidance in their new lives was Dante who was manipulating them every step of the way.
Obviously they aren't saints but it isn't as one dimensional as you think.
>>156545336
The Homunculi, you moron, there's no scenes of the HOMUNCULI going through that. Just scenes of Lust staring wistfully in the distance in lieu of anything that actually portrays their existence as painful.
You know how in the original, Zanpano and what'shisname want to reverse their chimera state because they're ugly abominations, but Lion King and Donkey Kong are fine with it because they think they're cool powers?
You get why the ugly fucking slime/spike fat monsters want to recover their humanity: they're fucking disgusting critters who repel people. Not some psychological "Ohhh, wow is me, for I am a monster even though I look dashing and am partially destructible~" but a very visible easy-to-understand "yeah, I wouldn't want to live with this" motivation. Then there's some other guys with less-ugly versions of that that think they're fine. That's coherent characterization.
The 2003 Homunculi don't have that. We are never shown anything bad about their existence.
>>156545791
ESL.
>>156545808
It's not even one-demensional. So they murder people, get the stone and then what? How does it solves their problem?
>>156543887
that's a nice butt.
2003 had some really good music choices, though it'll only ever be AU fanfiction.
BH is pretty cohesive but it ended too goody two shoes for me. 2003 just had a shiitty ending overall and felt like it hit a brick wall in the last 4 episodes just to try and wrap things up.
2003 is like high school and BH is college, both do the job but I would never do either of them again.
>>156545870
They are hoping that restoring their humanity will resolve their issues with their past lives and memories and get past their inner conflict about their free will. Lust comes to terms with the fact that she was at one point an Ishvalan woman and wants to go back, wrath freaks the fuck out at that though because his past was painful and doesn't want to go back.
>>156546042
What humanity? They are pretty human-like, if a bit weird. They're motivation is akin to serial killers : "I'll probably feel better if i kill some girls, because killing girls brings me magic and magic feels good". That would fine for one guy who's a bit nuts, but every fucking one of them has this one dumb reason to do everything they do.
>>156545728
>Except they are all tormented by fragmented memories from their past lives.
And their solution is to make their bodies shittier.
That's all. There is no coherent explanation for why removing their powers would make their problems go away. There is no coherent explanation for why anything would possibly help.
But you're supposed to sympathize with this gaggle of psychopaths because they have memories that, again, don't really affect how they act. Sloth can't be THAT heavily influenced by Tricia's memories considering she's an amoral murderer who never does fuck-all for her supposed children except whine at them in like the two times they fight. Why are they being "tortured" by these memories that don't really seem to shape how they act at all? Is it just because they're annoying and confusing?
And again, we're skipping over the fact that the very idea of how the 2003 Homunculi works is a plotpoint in the original that can be summed up as "none of that shit makes a lick fo sense, why would it work like that?"
>ESPECIALLY after Lust figures out that they were all being used just to prolong the life of Dante
They're not being controlled because they're homunculi, they're being control because they chose to obey her. That's not a fault of their condition, if they wanted to walk out, they could and Lust does. Finding out that the woman who promised you something also wants something for herself is not a shocking tortuous revelation. If they are shocked and anguished to find out she was into it for personal reasons, they're just morons.
>>156546154
>but every fucking one of them has this one dumb reason to do everything they do.
They don't though, like I said Wrath has no interest in becoming human and is fucked up beyond belief whenever he's reminded of the past, all he wants is to be with his mommy.
Gluttony is basically a brainless monster.
Envy is pissed at his dad for abandoning him and turning him into an abomination.
Not much is said about Bradley other than he seems to follow Dante without question
Really the only ones that have that internal conflict highlighted are Lust and Sloth.
>>156546042
>They are hoping that restoring their humanity will resolve their issues
See >>156546163
That's a fucking stupid motivation and makes no sense. Of course, once again, that's partly because they very nature of the Homunculi makes no sense in its own universe.
If ONE of them were simply nuts and driven insane with desperation, it could be understood why they're doing something that has no logical reason to make them okay. But every one of them, otherwise sane humanoid conscious people (sans Gluttony) is after this for some reason and they are not shown to be delusional or insane.
And again, the anime spends no time SHOWING US how tortuous their lives are. You're fanwnaking characterization to fill in plotholes your nostalgia blinds you to.
>>156546301
So there's no reason whatsoever for them to be part of the plot then.
>>156546163
>They're not being controlled because they're homunculi, they're being control because they chose to obey her. That's not a fault of their condition, if they wanted to walk out, they could and Lust does. Finding out that the woman who promised you something also wants something for herself is not a shocking tortuous revelation. If they are shocked and anguished to find out she was into it for personal reasons, they're just morons.
They don't really know that though, because they were effectively formed by Dante, they don't really know the extent of her control over them. And she clearly does have some kind of direct control over them because she makes Gluttony go apeshit by manipulating him via alchemy.
>>156546335
>>If ONE of them were simply nuts and driven insane with desperation
see
>>156546301
>>156535751
Only watched 2003 and it was a masterpiece. Didn't feel like more was necessary because it was satisfying.
>>156546372
Other than the fact that they are Dante's minions you're probably right for Gluttony and Bradley, but Envy and Wrath have personal connections to Ed and his dad.
Keep in mind the homunculi in brotherhood only exist because they are minions of father, they literally have no purpose but to be minibosses aside from Greed
>>156546442
You can't be serious
>>156546335
>You're fanwnaking characterization to fill in plotholes your nostalgia blinds you to.
Also I watched 2003 after brotherhood like 3 years ago because back then everyone said not to bother with 2003.
>>156546301
>Really the only ones that have that internal conflict highlighted are Lust and Sloth.
Coincidentally the only ones ever brought up by people who try to claim the Homunculi in 2003 are better.
No one likes Brat Wrath. Don't fucking lie, everyone considers him an annoying little shit, and that's even though he's the only one whose character is kinda understandable because he's mentally a little kid.
Envy was revealed to be Hohenheim's kid in his last five seconds of screentime. He spent the lion's share of the plot dealing with shit that had no connection to him. Trying to claim this was not asspulled at the last second is already dubious, but claiming it's good characterization is risible. His characterization is that he's a grinning asshole, not much more.
And as you just said, the other two are barely there as characters.
You've got Lust and Sloth. And the thing that supposedly makes them worthwhile is a fucking mess.
>>156535751
They're both good. 2003 had far better initial investment. Brotherhood needed the already made investment to make it great.
>>156546469
>Other than the fact that they are Dante's minions you're probably right for Gluttony and Bradley, but Envy and Wrath have personal connections to Ed and his dad.
Envy and Wrath are two crazy angsty teens. Their characterization is "they are CRAZY because reasons!" Brotherhood homunculi might have had simplier motivations, but at least they made sense and were coherent. 2003 homunculi are a bullshit fest
>>156546535
>Coincidentally the only ones ever brought up by people who try to claim the Homunculi in 2003 are better.
Even if you only count those two and ignore the others they're still better than brotherhood where the homunculi do jack shit.
>You've got Lust and Sloth. And the thing that supposedly makes them worthwhile is a fucking mess.
I don't know how to make it any clearer, I guess you'll have to remain convinced that because they can taste pie they should have no issues with being a manufactured life form.
>>156546469
>Keep in mind the homunculi in brotherhood only exist because they are minions of father
And?
They're characters on their own, not a collective of emo fucks going about the same thing. Yes, Gluttony and Sloth are simple monsters and nobody says they need to be any more than that.
The problem is the assumption that "have a dragging sobstory role that never makes any sense nor is presented well enough to be sympathetic" is inherently better than having a character that fulfills their role and leaves at the right time. Or as I like to call it, the "Holy Shit Enough With ManBearChimera Tucker" problem.
The cast in the original story is much larger than in 2003 and has a whole load of characters with various personalities, motivations and resolutions. Knox is a master class on delivering a touching arc in very few scattered scenes. 2003 fanboys fixate on the Homunculi because the 2003 was so fucking vacuous that they HAVE to give them undue importance, otherwise they end up having to acknowledge their extended supporting cast was a goddamn fucking bore of pointless one-notes like Drooling Psycho Kimbley and the guy they turned into fucking Robocop.
Wrath was fucking awesome, Greed had the longest and best character arc of the whole bunch and Envy was fun to watch writhe like the despicable petty cunt that he is. This is better than clinging to a drama-overreliant stable cast of otherwise uncharismatic dull fucks whose only selling point is "we are sad and drag ass."
>>156546744
Not that anon, but
>Even if you only count those two and ignore the others they're still better than brotherhood where the homunculi do jack shit.
They've succesfully built a state-wide transmutation circle through the series. That's much more than 2003's homunculi ever achieved. And as for characterization... I was ~15 y.o. when I watched 2003 anime and even than Lust was cheesy as fuck, while Sloth just didn't make any sense at all.
> because they can taste pie they should have no issues with being a manufactured life form
That's not the problem. Their goals make no sense. I might feels a bit weird from time to time, but it's a long leap from that to murdering people. Their reasoning is retarded. Even if they turn into "human" they stil lwere manufactured. It changes nothing.
We're all in agreement Shamballa and Milos are trash though, right?
>>156546744
>Even if you only count those two and ignore the others they're still better than brotherhood where the homunculi do jack shit.
See, you missing the whole stuff about why Al's situation is terrible is making me wonder if you ever read the original. Come the fuck on. No one could honestly pretend Greed and Wrath didn't have a hell of a presence. Nobody. And Envy fulfilled the exact same role as in 2003, except here it's with honesty: he's a repugnant little sadistic fuck who hates everything because he has the mother of all inferiority complexes, no ridiculous justification jammed in at the last five seconds to make him more than his character could sell.
>I don't know how to make it any clearer, I guess you'll have to remain convinced that because they can taste pie they should have no issues with being a manufactured life form.
Considering that they never give a single justification for why their situation is so fucking tortuous that ostensibly sympathetic sane characters would cooperate with genocide... then yeah, I don't get it.
You don't see anyone wondering why the original cast doesn't feel horrified at being man made because for the most part they have no reason to. They generally, and with good reason, look down on humans as an inferior species.
>>156535751
These threads are like clockwork
>>156547160
Surprised nobody brought up the dub and a certain mangina yet.
>same threads, same answers
Why did Hohenheim have a suit of armor in his basement to begin with? Did he see it out on his travels and was like "Yup, I need that", and place it in there?
>>156535751
So is this another "MAL kids getting triggered because there is someone that dare to say FMAB isn't the greatest thing humankind have created"? I really wish Gintama would have stay in the 1# spot to make them butthurt forever.
>>156547563
He liked them. If you look carefully, there were several of them. Al's was a vintage antique according to him.
>>156547678
>So is this another "MAL kids getting triggered because there is someone that dare to say FMAB isn't the greatest thing humankind have created"?
That describes this thread accurately.
>>156535751
I think I was about 10 years old when I first watched the original FMA anime (dubbed), and I thought it was the greatest thing I’d ever seen on TV at the time. Eventually I came to see how flawed it was, particularly in that the plot didn’t make a whole lot of sense. But the melodrama never stopped being compelling to me.
Brotherhood had an almost perfect plot by comparison, and I also think it’s one of the better anime I’ve seen. The action scenes were beautiful, but I think the OST was lacking. It’s hard for me to say that I liked it more than the original, even though I appreciate it a bit more on a technical level.
>>156547979
Come on lets stop bitching about /a/'s decline and make it better instead. /a/ has always had people on both sides of the hood vs '03 debate. This thread isn't evidence of anything
>>156547563
In the manga, Hohenheim is shocked when he sees his favorite vintage armor walking around. Apparently, Hohenheim did, in fact, have his own hobbies.
>>156548257
You are the one bitching here, bitch.
If nothing else, I don't think anyone can claim that the whole "deaths in the other world are what power alchemy in this world" thing was at all sensible or well-written. I remember when that episode came out. Just about everyone thought it was an absurd and stupid plot twist.
>>156548335
Alchemy power coming from earthquakes because reasons though isn't great either.
>>156541860
>Only the love for NGE is constant
i'd say it is more like a hate boner
>>156535751
2003 built up stuff likeTHE DAUGHTER GETS MERGED WITH THE DOG AND IS MURDERED FOR BEING A MONSTROSITYbetter, most of the early stuff, in general. Brotherhood handled the long game better.
2003 for better set up.
Brotherhood for better follow through.
>>156548433
Harvesting energy from tectonic shifts is perfectly within the limits of handwavy pseudo-scientific magic.
"Our world is actually connected to another and we siphon the souls of their dead for some unexplained reason, which we use to power our magic yet somehow never wonder where that energy is coming from even though our discipline is all about conservation of matter" is on a monumentally higher level of pointlessly fucking convoluted and ridiculous.
>>156548241
Best scene
>>156543887
>Room is a total mess
All you had to do was move the stuff that appears on the photo come on.
>>156548691
But, they still siphon the souls of the dead to power their magic in brotherhood because of the stone
>>156548705
I liked it, but Marcoh frying Envy's fucking face off was a lot more cathartic.
>>156548691
No, they are pretty much the same levels of stupid. You are just a retarded MALfag so you can't see it.
>>156535751
If it were 2003 vs the manga I'd say it's subjective, but I'll go with 2003 solely because Brotherhood is incomplete due to the studio's unwillingness to re-do the parts the first anime told
>>156547979
It's now "MAL kids getting triggered because there is someone that dare to say Kimi no Na wa isn't the greatest thing humankind have created". FMAB has officially been dethroned by overrated Shinkaishit.
>>156548768
Not randomly and for no fucking reason just to make the plot ten times more convoluted and stupid than it needed to be. It was a massive plot twist that ended up meaning pretty much nothing and only existed because the series was ending and they realized they had set absolutely no explanation for what the fuck the gate was.
In fact, they still didn't do that. What the fuck was even the black eyeball in 2003? Just "the Black Eyeball made of aborted homunculi that hangs out in the gate and steals bodyparts"?
>>156549142
They didn't mention "dude earthquakes lmao" until very late into brotherhood either, and only had like 2 passing sentences about it.
The only information about the power behind alchemy at the time of the 2003 anime was that the philosopher's stone was powered by human souls, so I'm assuming the creators of the anime just ran with that as an overall explanation for the power.
If it was simply power from souls and not power from souls in an alternate universe it would have actually been more solid than "dude earthquakes lmao"
>>156549285
>They didn't mention "dude earthquakes lmao" until very late into brotherhood either, and only had like 2 passing sentences about it.
Because "where are we getting our energy from" is such a bloody fucking obvious question that it's taken for granted that the answer would be mundane. It's dropped casually as a worldbuilding detail halfway through.
If you think alchemists creating an entire discipline revolving around the concept of equivalent exchange yet never questioning this so it comes as a shocking revelation to Ed is sensible, then you have to be a fucking fanboy. The idea that Ed made it past Day 2 of learning Alchemy without this question popping up is fucking ridiculous, the idea that this is not a frequent obvious question among alchemists as a whole is utterly indefensible. It could not be more obvious that all of this was wanked up in the last few episodes with 0 planning because of how incoherent it is.
>>156549723
Why exactly is it required that alchemists have a complete understanding of what drives their ability?
You know that actual IRL alchemists knew jack shit about modern chemistry or thermodynamics but still managed to perform chemical reactions right?
In fact I would say that the idea that they DON'T fully understand the craft is even more compelling and the idea that they uncover the truth as they follow the breadcrumbs from the philosopher stone is a good one.
Not to mention they realize that the idea of equivalent exchange is bunk anyway which also makes sense in the terms of matter or energy conservation as you like to point out.
2003 adapted the early content of the manga better, but went to absolute shit when they started making up their own stuff.
From the Ling introduction to the end, Brotherhood was superior in basically every way.
Brotherhood because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uq34TeWEdQ
>>156544202
>every single engineered massacre in the show ends up pointless because those souls couldn't be harvested anyway and the very existence of Amestris as a militarized state is pointless.
I fucking loved this plot point in BH, it's such a satisfying moment when all of those pieces get put together and you (and the characters) have that "oooh shit" moment. All of the massacres up until that point seem like regular casualties of war, but once you learn that they were all engineered by Central and that the entire country perfectly served as one giant transmutation circle it really lets you view previous points of the story/plot in a different light. It's just such a clever and interesting plot point, and a great idea for the story of the in-universe world overall.
>>156535751
2003 has better character relations between the Ed and Al. That honestly made the show a lot more enjoyable for me. It is that reason alone I prefer it over brotherhood even though it had a lot more things going for it.
Stupid sexy Lyra.
I mean, Dante.
>>156550229
She was hot as fuck
>03
>rape
>death
>epic manipulative final boss
>they paid the "equivalent" price for meddling with things they shouldn't
It has flaws, but was epic.
>brotherhood
>quality
>bad guys are generic "I HATE EVERYONE" and "I JUST WANTED FRIENDS"
>one of them kill himself, LOL
>useless loli girl
>stupid Mary Sue characters (HUUR I'M THE FIRE ALCHEMIST I'M SO EPIC)
>god exists and fix everything for a stupid irrelevant price
>ed suddenly is not a manlet anymore and AI body is waiting for him, like it wasn't used it in an equivalent trade
Oh my god, I almost dropped that shit, they ruined the entire plot to get a good ending, and worst, stones were rare af in 03, in brotherhood they were everywhere and they didn't used because they're pussies, fucking ridiculous.
brotherhood music and ending was overwhelmingly superior
>>156538265
I'm going with this, the anime original parts of 2003 sucked, but i liked better how it adapted the early chapter.
>>156538389
>someone posts a song that isn't OP 1
>it's the final ed instead
Fucking THIS!
>>156550425
>equates rape and death with "good"
>unironic use of the world epic
03fags everybody
>>156550907
Watching brotherhood was like being raped tho.
>>156541506
The worldbuilding is cooler in the 03 one.
>>156535751
Brotherhood imo
>>156538265
Guess they just wanted to get over it quickly since they assumed most people had already seen 2003 and didn't feel like re-animating everything again .
>>156543190
I think it had something to do with them losing all emotions except one and having to stay the embodiment of said emotion forever.
Brotherhood is obviously superior because it had:
>Wrath
>Pride
>Greed and Ling
There's tons of other great reasons but this is enough.
>>156543664
>The Nina episode was better in Brotherhood.
I agree with most you said, but this is just wrong.
>>156535751
Brotherhoods only failing was rushing through the stuff 2003 already covered to get to the new stuff. Leaving things like Nina and Hues death not as well built up to as 2003. Ultimately they are both worth a watch but I prefer Brotherhood.
>>156550471
>ending
ok
>music
that's objectively wrong
>>156550907
Not him, but I've always wondered what's the actual word for what kids call "epic".
>>156549723
But don't we not really know where we get our energy from irl too? Like, we know it exists, but why is it there to begin with? What's the purpose of all this dark energy and dark matter if it doesn't seem to interact with anything? Nobody knows the answer; so, fuck it, it's all because of souls of dead people. That could be what they were going for.
2003 gave us superior Aryan Alphonse
>>156535751
Gin no saji
>>156551910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3FDnl2PkPs
There is nothing in 2003 that trumps this masterpiece.
>>156546945
This is pretty much it for me.
All my favorite characters like Marcoh are nobodies in the '03 show. And I don't like the characters that version invented to fill space anywhere near as much as the real ones.
>>156553635
This is probably the only shonen where everyone had a badass moment and no one was left out.
>>156553176
God, that piece really is incredible. Fuck that anon, the score in Brotherhood was infinitely superior.03's still better overall tho
>>156553176
>masterpiece
Dude, it's dull af.
>>156538265
The only correct opinion.
>>156554478
That violin going crazy at the end is anything but dull, shit taste-sama.
>>156547678
You sound triggered
>>156547678
KnNw is in the #1 spot now and it's way shittier.
2003
Brotherhood was Naruto-tier with how long they stretched out fights. The only good thing about Brotherhood was Lust's death.
>>156535751
Depends on the category.
2003 had better pacing and IMO a better OST.
Brotherhood had better overall story.
The true GOAT FMA song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5lClW_M0M&
>>156535751
Brotherhood because no shitty filler, no edge, no shit tier fanfiction end and the main villian was actually good instead of being....dante.
>>156535751
Both are garbage overrated by normalfags and low power level faggots.
>>156554396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eazctq0E-w0
Show me the evidence, 03 faggot. I'll even give you the second best in the series that highlights the greatest moments.
>>156554601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE_b272oT_Q&t=58s
That piece was made for this scene. It was simply perfection in summing up their characters.
>>156558279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQLrkW33f0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viubU_RbJI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8OaiTN1K0E
>>156555795
>muh canon
Not realizing the obvious fact that both are works of fiction is pretty much the only way to think that Brotherhood is better. There is no "real story" or anything good about another animu villain who wants to become a god.
The rest like Brotherhood because it's more focused on fights.
>>156537363
Fucking rip. He outshined the japanese VA, twice.
>>156554781
i swear 2003 had better animation
>>156550425
So you are just some kid that likes edge are all 2003 baby's like this
Brotherhood, no doubt
Brotherhood for generic shounen shit.
2003 for a consistent thematic experience.
One of those times where I think the anime is superior to the manga because it doesn't let up and fully realizes the potential of the story, where the latter goes full shlock by the end. That's right MC, just keep punching the big bad until everyone gets what they want... hell even Roy gets his vision back.
The original anime was so fucking bleak and it worked because you gave a shit about the characters. Shit had consequences and you say the emotional repercussions it had on the characters.
But this is anime, so most people have shitty taste and prefer brotherhood.
>>156559575
it was just the fight between Ed and Greed
>>156535751
Brotherhood because of story.
Only thing I liked about 03 anime was that they handled Scar and Lust way better than brotherhood did. Lust was a wasted character and Scar was just Sesshomaru from Inuyasha in brotherhood
BUT 03 even manages to FUCK THAT UP by having Scar take a bullet for a person that can fucking REGENERATE.
>>156535751
brotherhood. the story in 2003 is a lot worse
After reading the whole manga, 2003 is really fucking terrible. Brotherhood is just a underwhelming budget adaptation of the manga and that's all there is to it. It's easier to forgive than 2003.
>>156559575
Greed vs Wrath says hi with eye orgasms.
>>156561826
>But this is anime, so most people have shitty taste and prefer brotherhood
Truth. Brotherhood is shonen schlock which fits perfectly into the demographic of teenagers that frequent MAL/make up anime's viewership in the West. You need to force kids like that to analyze anything on a thematic level in school and even then they still suck at it.
>>156562739
I don't understand why Brotherhood had such shitty budget, wasn't FMA one of the most aclaimed series at the time?
>>156561826
>>156562855
Is this satire? I'd fucking hope so.
>>156563028
1. Brotherhood is shonen shlock from Shonen Gangan
2. MAL is made up of teenagers with publicly visible ages (and shit taste)
3. Said teenagers love Brotherhood
All facts.
>>156563135
Good lord
>>156563219
Back to MAL.
>>156563258
Don't even have a account. I don't believe these are you're real opinions. Nobody is this fucking pathetic.
>>156540331
>I haven't watched Brotherhood. I downloaded it years ago, but if I"m going to watch a direct adaption of the manga I would rather read the manga again. I imagine Brotherhood is better, since the manga has a better story, but after listening to the OST, I feel that the original anime had a better soundtrack.
I feel exactly the same way. 2003 was one of the first series I followed weekly, I read the manga till finish after but somehow if I feel more like reading the manga again than watching the anime of it. As for the music, I find the 2003 version has a lot more memorable tunes, yes brotherhood has some of them that are good too but they mostly lie in the drama category, whereas in the 2003 ost's you had memorable tunes in every sub category, from the town themes to drama/despair and action. I feel less connection with the Brotherhood score.
>>156562739
I've read the manga before I've watched 03 and Brotherhood and 03 shat all over the plot and the characterization.
Wendy was set up as the childhood girl to go back to after the big adventure from the getgo, yet Ed and Al easily decide to not give a shit about their world by the end of 03
Human transmutation is said to be against the law of the world and heaily punished. You'd think they're valuable, but homunculi gobble down these philosopher's stones like it's nothing for no apparent effect.
Bringing in nazis and a parallel world was just stupid. It didn't make any sense, didn't fit into the setting of FMA and just brought it down overall. And no, the energy in Brotherhood isn't as retarded as 03's >>156548785. The chinese characters even use some sort of leylines for better usage of the energy of the earth, so that's consistent to and already showcases where the energy comes from. Using the lives of people from another world lost in a war is much more retarded, especially since they never question it.
That's all I can remember after 8 years. Brotherhood was basically a faithful adaption of a great manga. 03 shat on the world building for some shitty reveals
>>156563293
Those three facts aren't opinions.
Brotherhood, why is this even a question?
>>156563329
>didn't fit into the setting of FMA
>not!germany with a literal fuhrer
>>156563351
Got a few "facts" of my own
1. MAL loves FMA 03
2. You're obsessed with MAL
3. You aren't real person
Brotherhood was straight to DVD tier. Meanwhile you could take any four episodes of 2003 (including filler), and you had a decent movie. It was the best thing you could watch on television during its run.
I honestly can't fathom how this is even a debate. There are no redeeming qualities about Brotherhood. The manga goes to shit right after the end of this volume (which is about where the original anime takes off), and I'm sure the editors at Shonen Gagan had a heady hand in steering it even this far. Nevertheless, Hiromu Arakawa deserves credit for the concept as Lucas does for Star Wars. But after volume 7, holy shit. Let me just spoil it because you're not missing anything.
>The Homunculus use a zombie Barry to find the other Barry who just happened to find and make friends with the good guys before killing anyone or being seen.
>this leads to a city-wide war with the Homunculus and several ninjas who just showed up in the story. In keeping with the plot convenience, somehow none of the characters die.
>in the next volume the good guy's are spied on by Pride, a kid who controls magic shadow langoliers, and somehow find the Homunculus' base, and kill Lust.
>in some of the mayhem above one of those new ninja characters is captured and forced to become the new Greed, who immediately turns around and becomes a good guy again. The reason the old Greed was killed off to begin with.
>At this point the story, the story could end by the good guys just heading off to the final boss since they know more or less he lives in the sewers, but instead becomes an exercise in prolonging the story as long as possible. At one point they lure Envy, literally via a hotline telephone call to the Homunculus headquarters (I am not joking), to meet them at so and so place at such time. Lo and behold it turns out to be a trap for him the good guys set, but Marcoh, the guy who set it up has a change of heart and lets him go.
And that's the quality of the writing for the next 18~ volumes
Brotherhood had a better story and a shit ton more amazing moments
>when ed used his own gate of truth
>when ed busts through the gate of truth
God those parts were absolutely amazing
>>156563416
Because nostalgiafags haven't re-watched the 2003 version in 15 years.
That's right, it has been 15 years since 2003. They defend something they last watched over a decade ago.
>>156563453
MAL hates FMA 2003 because it's not faithful to "muh manga." FMA Brotherhood was laughably ranked number 1 by them as the best anime ever created.
Largest anime site in the West, perfect representation of the average Western anime fan and Brotherhoodfag.
>>156563687
You really are obsessed with MAL
>>156563729
And yet you can't refute a single thing I said. Why even bother? After dropping "MAL loves FMA 03" it's obvious that you're either trolling or just arguing from emotion.
>>156563781
>8.3
Is this a score that reflects deep hatred? I don't know, I don't use MAL.
>>156563480
I also want to stress how over-the-top it all becomes after this point. The 2003 anime does have 23 and 24, Chimeras, and at one point a cyborg-esque monster on top of the already supernatural Homunculi. But the manga has zombies, humans who can transform into chimera at will, a cyborg clone army (out of nowhere), the ghost of Greed, an evil Genie in a bottle, immortal mad scientists (added in at the last minute), a version of Gluttony that can shoot black holes (as if Pride wasn't already OP in the same sense), Envy's true form a talkingshrimp. Not to mention Al was apparently split into two people and this is never addressed in the story. Basically, everything but the kitchen sink.
>>156563821
>ranked #212
>>156535751
Whichever answer gets me the most angry (You)s.
>>156563929
That seems pretty high? Is it not? You're the MAL expert.
>>156563901
>Not to mention Al was apparently split into two people
You mean his body?
>>156563028
Not at all. Brotherhood's fine for what it is, it's like a popcorn flick. Doesn't make it bad, but is shlock.
2003 anime has some actual substance to sink your teeth into. Lots of real heavy christian imagery, with characters carrying and dealing with the weight of their choices throughout the show.
It keeps the tone of a tragedy and really respects the audience's intelligence and ability to read into scenes and characters.
If that all comes off as pretentious to you, that's fine, but it doesn't change what's portrayed in the actual show, it only showcases what you took from them.
>>156564055
Yes, which is still alive in an also unaddressed form.
>>156563965
Brotherhood is ranked #2, bumped down from #1 less than a year ago.
Manga > Brotherhood > 2003
>>156564128
Whoa, 2003 must really suck
>>156564217
Nah, though a look at MAL's demographics will give you a look at which sort of person would prefer Brotherhood to 2003.
>>156564408
Let me guess - people who watch anime? You know so much about MAL that someone might start to think you're from there.
>>156564624
>Let me guess - people who watch anime
In the West, yes. Makes me wonder why you bothered to disagree with this
>>156562855
in the first place.
Bradley rushed a tank in Brotherhood
He didn't in 2003
There
>>156564069
Brotherhood is the best in its genre while '03 is the shallow knockoff of better existential melodramas out there since it doesn't do any of it well. You're not comparing which is the better show, just which is the more appealing genre.
As a tragedy '03 is shallow and actively brought down by its holdovers from the manga, shoehorning characters and themes from earlier arcs with next to no continuity in later, anime original arcs.
>>156565068
>Brotherhood is the best in its genre
Hunter x Hunter aside, I wouldn't even put its fights or antagonists on the level of some of Naruto and Dragon Ball's best.
I will always love 03 for gifting us with this stupid meme.
>>156535751
>All these people claiming Brotherhood for Story
From a plot standpoint Father/Dwarf in the Flask is a terrible character and the homonculi characterizations were far less interesting than 03.
In fact the whole secret evil military government idea was stupid.
>>156565344
No, alternate universe Nazis was stupid.
It's 7 years after FMA ended and /a/ is still arguing about this shit.
Why though? In other anime we'd just say the source is better and move along.
>>156535751
2003
Brotherhood. only the contrarian faggots on /a/ think 2003 was better.
>>156565557
>I have been on /a/ debating Brotherhood is better than 03 for over 7 years
Fuck, where has the time gone?
>>156565382
You only think it is stupid because it was an original concept and /a/ inherently thinks anything that goes against the source material is retarded.
Conceptually it isn't a terrible idea, you have some sort of relationship between two realities with Amestris being parallel to Germany and our world being on the other end of the door. They needed a "other side" and decided to make it our world rather than some limbo dimension.
Alchemy Illuminati was basically an extension of Father's shitty characterization, serving no other purpose other than his grandiose one-shot scheme. It makes the government body comically evil, comparable to the umbrella corporation in the Resident Evil film franchise.
>>156553176
K I N O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19GU5mY2_d8
>>156552336
Brotherhood Al and Ed are way more handsome, they looked too girly in 2003
>>156536013
2003 until the manga material stopped
The latter part of the manga is pretty lackluster besides best boy Wrath and thats reflected in Brotherhood.
>>156535751
Brotherhood was a good adaptation, but like all adaptations, i prefer to read the original piece. So 2003, since it was refreshing (and the ost was GOAT).
>>156535751
2003 was complete garbage after it veered off form the manga. Brotherhood and the manga will always be the definitive and overall superior versions.
Brotherhood fucked up the tone so bad. Shit hits the fan and suddenly the characters go in to chibi mode with serious music still going on all the time. It had no fucking clue what it wanted to be.
If Brotherhood had the presentation of what 2003 did it would have been fantastic, but in the end I just found it frustrating.
2003 is better, but not by much, its still questionable in it's own ways.
>>156566861
>Having any sentimental feelings towards Father
He's a shit character anon, Deus Ex Machina isn't the proper term for him but it isn't too far off.
The elements they attempted to characterize him by didn't make sense given what he was.
>>156550425
>epic
>LOL
>af
>>156564408
>go back to MAL
>you're from MAL
>I would know, I know everything about MAL, which is how you know I'm not from there
it's pretty easy to tell which version of FMA is better: bones has never had any good anime original writing. if you think FMA is an exception, you are a fucking goof
>>156567832
So you're saying that 03 is bad simply because it has original writing, because of a meme that Bones can't do original writing?
>>156536306
Enough for you to say, shonen fanboy.
>>156568416
calling it a meme doesn't change the fact that bones can't do good original writing. Never did happen. Never gonna happen. Not gonna get it from me.
Last 20 episodes of Brotherhood are borderline unwatchable Bleach tier shit.
The story of Brotherhood went to shit somewhere around introducing stronk independent womyn from the north, stupid story about country wide circle and those insufferable Chinese cunts.
It's also thematically inconsistent. Ed feels like a tortured character only during designated character scenes that seem half arsed every five episodes or so.
2003 wrapped up stuff nicely. I think it really is casuals piling up with MUH BROTHERHOOD because of all the muh happy ending complaints. I'm no edgelord, but I love me some hit and run endings which accentuate the theme. 2003 pulled it of amazing.
I can't take people who say the themes were shallow in it seriously. Simply the monologue Ed gives to Al about why some men should be pitied and not killed in the Sloth/Lust/Wrath showdown is worthy of essays being written.
>>156543190
>Ok, why? You have pretty much all human functions already plus cool powers.
It doesn't has to make sense. Emotions never make sense. They are created creatures, whose singular purpose was to be human. Yet no matter how close they seem to be fulfilling the purpose of the their creation, they will always be considered by society at large to be an aberration of the natural order. On top of that they need philosopher's stones to simply survive, literally having to eat the souls of humans, to live. When your fundamental nature seeks to have you live a normal life, integrated with the whole of humanity, that seems like a pretty large obstacle. They are sympathetic because they represent the human tendency to want to fit in with society at large, yet because of some small seemingly superfluous difference, they remain ostracized from the community at large.
>>156568627
But the funny thing is, 2003 FTM had great filler which would disprove your blanket statement.
The real question is: which had the hotter Edward?
>>156540331
03's soundtrack is so goddamn good
>>156540331
>>156571473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzAEwzUI8k
>>156571156
18 y/o Ed in the 03 movie by a wide margin
Winry got so cucked in the 2003 movie, that's my only gripe with 2003. Brotherhood was just... I don't know.
>>156535751
2003 had hitler so 2003
>>156571156
2003 Ed got all the bitches
Brotherhood was literally cheesy shounenshit.
2003 was kino.
>>156540311
Your arguement only makes sense if you believe all shounen is Shounen Jump Weekly or some shit.
In which case, you're the newfag.
>>156571156
Why did they draw everyone's faces so fat in Brotherhood? And give them fat pointy noses too. What are (((they))) trying to accomplish?
>>156571809
Name 1 (one) good shounen.
>>156535751
I own the whole manga and can't fucking stand FMAB. 2003 really needs to part with a good fourth of it but I enjoyed most of it.
>>156571883
Yotsuba&!
>>156535751
The only thing I remember from 2003 is Rose getting gangraped by soldiers, ending up pregnant from the rape, and then becoming some sort of messiah. That was weird.
>>156571883
Ashita no Joe
>>156571521
>>156571473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8OaiTN1K0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYj5zwfdM7g
Brotherhood was too XD KAWAII anime shit for my tastes so 03 for sure. So long as you include the movie, I'm not sure I see what's so terrible about the ending to it.
>>156571521
The music for the og series was so great.
This is probably my favorite playing of Tristese ever.
https://youtu.be/figrxcJZ8SE?list=PL073FC821892ADD13
https://youtu.be/p2OhNxwFcEw?list=PL8EE46741842485CF
https://youtu.be/XF6f4vrbi04?list=PL8EE46741842485CF
03 is fucking retarded.
>>156536013
/thread
The only thing 2003 had going for it were the nazis.
If you like shounen, you prefer Brotherhood. If you like more mature stories, you prefer 2003.
2003
Brotherhood is normie tier shit like naruto and pokemon
>>156575595
03 was riddled with plotholes and melodrama. It's not mature, it's just edgy.
>>156535751
2003
brotherhood have a shitty ending
>>156566532
Hohenheim had the chin of a god.
>>156566461
Bradley was too damn cool in Brotherhood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQgJ1uasLCM
RIP Ed Blaylock.
>>156571954
It certainly was weird. Way too realistic for my animu.
>>156535751
2003
Both are good.
Oh wait, the show is popular....
ITS SHIT NORMIE SHIT FOR HOMOGAYS!
I liked Hughes more in 03. He was introduced as a more serious character with soft spot in the form of an overly doting obsession over his wife and daughter.
Brotherhood took that personality trait and focused only on that making.
Armstrong went from a character trying to be the epitome of what a soldier should be to le muscle man