Jets are made of aluminum and aluminum is the most reflective

>>156469285
why not use smoke grenade and see laser focus going to hell, thanks to all the particles in the air?

because the write knew shit about military hardware.

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>>156469285

>>156469386
Grade A children of a dead earth tier autism. That was a compliment.

>>156469386
>didnt read the OP
Jets area already made of the most reflective substance on earth, you would be coating it with less reflective metal. Jets just need polishing.

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>>156469439

>>156469285
is thatt a dick?

*aluminium

>>156469285
Laser are energy.
You can't just reflect 100% energy, dumbass

>>156469285
Mirrors and reflectors can't just reflect everything.

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>>156469285
Reminder that lasers are completely useless against a fog

>>156470049
That's precisely what they use to block them, and it kinda works, but it's not cheap.

>>156470118
Cloud seeding costs nothing more than a farmer's bi-plane, and sacks of salt and dry ice

>>156470149
They have to use heavy metal clouds for these lasers. Under a certain level of density, lasers still go through. So it takes a lot of shells to do that and doesn't last too long, since operations usually take hours.
Also, planes get shot down.

>>156469799
You can reflect enough that whats left is manageable.

>>156469285
>using logic against magical aliums

>>156470203
State of the art bots in universe can last about 5 to 7 seconds with their armors on.

>>156470202
Idiot, the entire point of a fog is to disperse and dissipitate light particles. The dense amount of water in the air reflects the light in such a way that however powerful your laser is, it will hit noting and have its range reduced to a few feet

What the fuck you gonna do with heavy metal clouds that contains nothing but dry smoke and iron fillings?

Fill the land with dense fog, wait for the evening where precisipitation is at its highest then send helicopters to rain hellfire on your nonsensical excuse for an alien

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>>156470296
>someone tells what people in the vn do
>HURDUR THATS STUPID YOU SHOULD DO X CUZ I SAID SO
literally every muv-luv thread

>>156470371
Don't you just love it when you crush their pseudo logic?

>>156470296
>water
If this>>156469386 supah mirror cant do shit, why you think water particles would reflect better?

>>156470395
The whole point of this series is that the aliens are powerful and beating them is hard. There's no point in coming up random shit like "they should shove toothpicks up their asses and then sit in the alien's eyes".

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>>156470396
Because that's how physics works you idiot.
Mirrors are solid pieces
Fog is a fucking GAS that flows around the entire landscape. A single cloud alone contains an estimated 100 tons of water.

To add insult to injury: heating up a fog would cause your landscape to go into flames. Your laser betas have an armor so thin they can be taken down by machineguns. Imagine what 8 hours of fire can do

>>156470457
I have no mercy for bad writing. You try to make sense of your nonsense, I crush it with reality check

>>156470508
>hurhur if something doesn't align with my autistic theories that I pull out of my ass then it's le bad le writing
kys

>>156469285
the one who know the physics will say maximize the scattering is only way to counter-laser weapons

>mirror
lol no

>>156470544
Grab a science book and feel the euphoria of flinging your dick around idiots

Alien laser.

>>156470577
Nah you just look like an autist who couldn't bother to read any source material about a fantasy sex book. And now throws around shit that he saw in a middle school text book.

>>156470607
Funny isn't it?
Your VN is completely wiped out by a guy who read a middle school text book

>>156470203
No you can't. Even mirrors designed to reflect a specific wavelength as well as possible will quickly heat up due to surface "bumps" at the atomic level (no surface is perfectly even), which will lead to the mirror's destruction once some atoms are excited enough by the laser beam's energy (to melt or be instantly vaporized), after which it'll quickly stop reflecting the majority of the laser beam and work just like regular armor. Anti-laser mirroring is merely a small speed bump against high energy lasers.

Anti-laser coating made from diamonds, carbon fibre and the like are probably a much better defense than mirrors if you really want to slap something on the surface of your valuable objects. Even they have to be chosen against a specific wavelength to be of much use.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1444732/us-lasers-pla-preparing-raise-its-deflector-shields

>>156470619
Nah you're just an autistic pseudointellectual who probably thinks that after reading a middle school biology book he could do a heart surgery.

wow anime is not real!

>>156470639
Enough to baffle you

The only sane way to discuss muv-luv is to pretend that physics works differently there.

>>156470659
Not really, you just say autistic shit that was explained in the novels to be ineffective, which you couldn't be bothered to read.

>>156470732
>pseudointellectual autist is reddit scum
Who woulda thought.

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>>156469414
Aw shit, dude. This looks rad. Thanks for mentioning it.

>>156470508
>Fog
>Gas
Anon...

>>156470732
Why do people love to gloat about not having read the thing they're shitting over? Do they think it makes them better or something?

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You guys seem like experts on this topic.

It is clear Sumika is best MuvLuv.
But what makes her so perfect?

>>156470776
Casual faggots who want to feel smart about their elementary level education.

>>156470789
Everything? she is just perfect.

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>>156470862
You provide convincing explanation, anon.

>>156469285
Nigga, when do the fighting starts? It's getting boring. I'm at the part when that red wavy haired girl reviews the BETA classes.

pls respond

>>156470770
Water vapor is gas

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>>156470789
This.

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>>156470942
>vapor
>gas
Jesus

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>>156470964
>Water vapor is also the Earth's most important greenhouse gas, accounting for about 90% of the Earth's natural greenhouse effect

>>156470942
The whole point of fog is that is condensed water though

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>there are people who actually think vapour = gas

>>156470995
You do realise that "greenhouse gas" is just a layman's term right? Vapor is not gas, that's the whole point of those two words.

>>156471010
>>156471046
>Water vapor is water in its gaseous state-instead of liquid or solid (ice). Water vapor is totally invisible. If you see a cloud, fog, or mist, these are all liquid water, not water vapor.
It's just one google away

>>156471055
>Fog begins to form when water vapor condenses into tiny liquid water droplets suspended in the air

Ok

>>156471055
Sure is
http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-vapor-and-gas/
>gaseous state is the same thing as gas
>It is worth noting that when referring to the four states of matter there is a ‘gas phase’ which does not necessarily refer to a gas as a distinct element but rather represents differences in interrelationships of molecules.

You should really go back to elementary bud.

>>156471083
Fog is not vapor though. Fog is an aerosool, since liquid droplets are found in the air. But vapor and gas are still not the same thing. This is elementary school level physics/chemistry guys.

Why are all of you fags getting so anally anguished over such an absolute garbage tier vn/anime anyway?

>>156471086
>Because vapour is actually the gaseous state of an element, vapour particles will be of a single element and may have a definite shape whereas gas particles when observed under microscopic view do not have a definite shape and will be a collection of atoms, ions, electrons and molecules. However both gas and vapour particles are in a random motion, colliding with each other or the walls of the containing vessel when observed under a microscope.

Did you even read your own source?

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>>156471046
Vapor is just a term for a gas with a temperature below the critical point of a substance. In other words, all vapor is gas, but not all gas is vapor.

>>156471160
Holy shit you are retarded. How did you finish elementary school?
I just explained to you that gaseous state =/= gas.
A gas is something that is in the gaseous state at room temperature, a vapor is something that's a liquid at room temperature and pressure and is in a gaseous state due to temperature or pressure differences.
>>156471194
No, vapor is vapor, gas is gas. The states are an entirely different matter.

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>>156471223
No, all vapor is gas. whoever taught you that is a moron.

>>156471223
>gaseous state =/= gas.
Please tell me you are not thinking that only the Noble gases can be considered as gas

Anything that floats in the air, has no form, and difficult to compress is gas

>>156471304
No, that's why it's two different words you retard. In practical engineering it's not fucking the same thing if a material is gas or vapor. That's the whole fucking point, Jesus you guys couldn't pass an elementary school test.

>>156471334
It's 2 different words for the same reason we have different breeds of dogs.
Gas is a general term for anything that has very little cohesion between the molecules

Water vapor is a specific term for water in the air

>>156471334
No, vapor is a word to distinguish one gas from another. Not to distinguish vapor from gas.

>>156471332
Jesus fucking Christ how are you so retarded? For someone flaunting his scientific expertise you sure can't understand basic concepts. Like the states of matter and vapor. Again for someone as retarded as you, if it's IN GASEOUS STATE AT ROOM TEMPERATURE AND PRESSURE ITS A GAS IF IT'S NOT THEN IT ISN'T THAT'S IT.
>Anything that floats in the air, has no form, and difficult to compress is gas
No.
>>156471361
Holy fuck no it isn't. It's because you make a fucking machine, then it matters if the material you use condenses on room temperature or not. And whether you should compensate for that or not. That's the whole fucking point, BEING IN A GASEOUS STATE DOESN'T MAKE SOMETHING A GAS HOLY SHIT.

>>156471374
>It is worth noting that when referring to the four states of matter there is a ‘gas phase’ which does not necessarily refer to a gas as a distinct element but rather represents differences in interrelationships of molecules.

What is so fucking difficult to comprehend about this? Have you guys even finished elementary school?

>>156471424
>>156471397
>common core

I feel sorry for you.

>>156471434
If you don't understand the difference between gas and vapor then I don't think you should talk about science, ever.

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>>156471334
You really need to check the credentials of the place where you got your engineering education, if they teach such basic stuff wrong.

>>156471451
>This is what education teaches kids these days

Millennials are the worst generation. Public education ruined them.

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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_vapor
>Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor is the gaseous phase of water. It is one state of water within the hydrosphere. Water vapor can be produced from the evaporation or boiling of liquid water or from the sublimation of ice.

>>156471461
That's entirely irrelevant to the conversation though. No one talked about the critical temperature of gases and their liquid state. We were talking about liquids (like water) in gaseous state. How the fuck are you so stupid.
>>156471483
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>156471507
>the gaseous phase of water
Still gaseous phase isn't the same thing as calling something a gas. Go back to elementary.

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>>156470457
>"they should shove toothpicks up their asses and then sit in the alien's eyes".
kek

>>156471529
Then why does "gaseous phase" links to a page about gas?

>>156471529
>20 people telling how wrong I am
>Insist I am right despite 3000 years of science and common sense.

This is the insane left. He probably also believes in global warming and transsexualism isnt a mental disorder.

>>156471529
The gaseous phase is a phase of matter. It's also known as "gas", as opposed to solid, liquid or plasma, which are the other three commonly accepted phases.

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>>156471529
>Still gaseous phase isn't the same thing as calling something a gas. Go back to elementary.
What the fucking hell? That's exactly what it is. A "gas" is some substance in its gaseous phase. There is no such thing as a material that has only a gaseous phase. Cool or compress any gas enough and you will get a liquid or solid.

>>156469285
Since everyone else blew thing dumbass' brain out the back of his head with science, let's do the same with practicality.

>So why not polish the jets up to a mirror shine?

Do you have any fucking idea how many man-hours this will consume as well as the astronomical cost of this? A craft would be grounded for a week of maintenance after every sortie so it can be cleaned and re-polished. That is time and money that could be better spent.

Japs can't design aliens for shit.

OP's pic just looks goofy and tasteless.

>>156471566
Because anyone can write any old bullshit for wikipedia? Just go to high school and ask a physics teacher what's the difference between a gas and vapor if you really skipped this class.
>>156471595
>muv luv is full of autists who can't understand basic physics
Who woulda thought. Peer pressure of idiots is still a fallacy by the way.
>>156471632
Yeah, and something is gas if it's in that stae in room temperature and pressure.
>>156471645
The point is the state of the matter on room temperature and pressure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_conditions_for_temperature_and_pressure
In any scientific or engineer paper this is pretty important to abide by or whoever reads it will have no fucking clue what you're saying.

>>156470884
>red wavy haired girl
Who?

>>156471802
You're still trying?

>>156471802
>Doesnt understand any physics, even basic physics.

>>156471823
You're saying bullshit, I'm calling it out being bullshit. Not my fault if you guys skipped physics/chemistry class.
>>156471837
You guys don't understand primary principles about conditions and terms. Why are you even trying to talk about physics?

>>156471150
>garbage tier
Confirmed for never having read

>>156471875
You dont understand what a gas is and you left kindergarten?

>>156471876
>mechashit
No need to go further

>>156471907
No u.

>>156471916
I am confident no one that has read Muv-Luv Alternative can say they didn't enjoy it.

>>156469285
Reflection is absorption + emission. Doesn't matter how reflective you make your plane, those BETA lasers will melt your shit on absorption.
Take a quantum physics class you fucking nerd.

>>156471979
If it features mechashit, then it is a badly written piece from the get go.
Enjoyment is subjective.

There you go boys. Something that's on your level of intellect to understand basic terms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXmPSMDTufc

>>156472027
You wouldn't be saying that if you read it anon. It's really good.

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>>156471802
What sort of citations would you find acceptable instead of Wikipedia? Physics, chemistry or engineering textbooks perhaps?
(Pic note: remember that vaporization includes both surface evaporation, and boiling which is a bulk phenomenon)

>>156472058
Nah. I just watched a few route videos and facepalmed myself.
I can understand if people likes edgy porn. But to refuse to admit that it is nothing more is just plain stupid

>>156472071
>change state from liquid to gas
>change from liquid state to gas state
Why are you trying to read scientific papers if you lack basic reading comprehension?

>>156470884
So you just finished PTSD then. You're about half way. After this info dump Alternative will enter its final stretch and there's no stopping until it finishes. Sadogashima Hive mission starts about an hour or two after where you're at, once Takeru got infodumped on beta and they did some practice mission.

That arc is fucking magnificent, it and the one following receive the brunt of the VN's budget, there's like 2 animated sequence in Sadogashima, and the one afterward really shows the miracle that is rUGP.

>>156472116
Anon, it's like a <10min written porn scene in a >50h vn. And it's not all tgat edgy. You should try it anon, you would probably like it.

>>156472172

I'm no interested in SoL shit from the first games is it okay if I just start Muv-Lov where war is happening?

>>156472571
But Extra is best Muvluv.

>>156472594

I'm a Ryonafag my man, and also like to watch despair and people's smiles not being protected

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>/a/ - /a/lternative Committee

>>156472645
You won't feel an emotional bond to the characters if you skip Extra.

>>156472649
>Kissinger remains silent

HE KNOWS

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>>156470789

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What does the creator wants anyway.
the faggots that the beta obey.

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>>156472122
If that was too hard for you to understand, here's a simpler explanation from ucar.edu, a consortium of 109 North American colleges and universities that specialize in atmospheric science research, which should be a very good source as the discussion is about atmospheric water vapor.

Notice the very clearly worded "water vapor is the invisible gas that results when water evaporates". Water vapor = gas. Understand?
Notice also how they mention evaporation, as no place on Earth actually is ever hot enough to boil water. Atmospheric, gaseous water comes from evaporation of liquid water at temperatures below water's boiling point at normal atmospheric pressures, and, more importantly to our discussion, much below the critical point of water, and the gaseous water is thus called a vapor in fields related to atmospheric sciences.

>>156472571
>>156472645
Don't skip Extra, just don't. You might not like it a whole lot, hell it might be a fucking chore to get through it, but you will certainly regret if you don't read it. You absolutely have to read Extra.

>>156472757
>the third state of water is the gaseous state (water vapor)
Do you have troubles with reading or something?
> the gaseous water is thus called a vapor
That's what I'm saying. It's called that in every science. Still states and what we call a gas is different. One random cherry picked sentence written in layman's terms won't change it.

I'm assuming two things here. One is that people refer to the gaseous state as "gas" out of laziness and people unfamiliar with the subject won't notice it anyways. Kinda like how strawberries aren't technically berries, it's achenes on a fleshy receptacle, but still botanists and horticulturists knowing this will call it a berry. Because it's too much effort to say and other botanists will know that by strawberries he referred to the achenes on the flashy receptacle produced by the Fragaria genus. And there's no point telling this to laymans.
Secondly the concept of gaseous state not being the same thing as a gas is a bit of an abstract concept so it's not explained well in non oriented schools. I went to a chemistry/physics heavy school then on to engineering so this kind of thing was explained very early in detail.
I'm still pretty sure they should teach this in at least high school anyways. But just go and search for more shit that you can cherrypick if you want.

>>156473040
You skipped the next sentence "In this state, water molecules move very rapidly and are not bound together"
That's literally gas the molecular structure of a gas

ITT: full blown autism

>>156473117
That's what the gaseous state is. A Gas is something that exhibits this behaviour on room temperature and pressure. I think I explained this a dozen times by now, this really feels like talking to children.

>>156473184
Yes, and water vapor exhibits that behavior therefore it is gas

>>156473216
No. see >>156473184

>>156473235
What behavior of water vapor is not exhibited by gas?

>>156473040
Perhaps it is you who should go back to those early studies of yours, as you're wrong on this issue.
It's clear that pretty much nothing will convince you that your current view is incorrect, but I'm positive that neutral onlookers can decide for themselves who seems more trustworthy - you who mumble about "muh engineering" and the four or five guys who call you a fucking idiot and have actual citations.

>>156473286
In English please.
>>156473287
Nah you are.
You mean five other retards who rely on one (1) cherry picked sentence written in layman's terms about the global warming.

>>156473343
What behavior of water vapor is not exhibited by gas?

>>156473235
There's water vapor in air even in room temperature and pressure.

Y'all know he's just baiting you, rite?

>>156473343
How sad that you only remember one sentence from the last hour of constantly getting blown the fuck out by more knowledgeable people. A prime example of confirmation bias.

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>>156469285

I just started this show a few days ago. Didn't expect for it to make me tear up. It's too bad they have to deal with all this political bullshit while aliens are trying to wreck the planet.

>>156473399
There's always some in betweens between states, the strength of intermolecular bonds doesn't change the principle.
>>156473483
I think you are a prime example of pseudointellectuals who talk about shit they have no clue about and then cry when they get blown the fuck out.

>>156473184
>A Gas is something that exhibits this behaviour on room temperature and pressure.
Atmospheric water vapor exists at 1 atm pressure and room temperature:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humidity
>The differences in the amount of water vapor in a parcel of air can be quite large. For example, a parcel of air that is near saturation may contain 28 grams of water per cubic meter of air at 30 °C, but only 8 grams of water per cubic meter of air at 8 °C.

>>156473586
You should understand that these terms only work in ideal conditions. Reality is never an ideal condition. As far as the principle goes water at room temperature (25 °C and 100 kPa) is a liquid. Of course you have to compensate for that in application but we need principles to start talking in the first place.

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>>156473828
Oh, so water will evaporate at room temperature to form a gas only in reality, but not in an imaginary, idealistic world.
I'm sorry, but you got a shit engineering degree if you never learned to calculate anything related to reality. I hope you didn't spend a lot of money on your fake degree, and that your incompetence in your job will never endanger Human lives.

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>>156474130
So you have 0 clue about science. Cool to know.

Honestly id just escape to another exoplanet.

>an /a/ physics thread
get soda and popcorn

>>156469366
>why not use smoke grenade and see laser focus going to hell, thanks to all the particles in the air?
Because they already do use them?

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>someone claims they can set water vapor on fire
>claims he is very smart
>derails the thread with his autism
This thread

>>156470508
>only if it's a perfect mirror
>heating up fog sets the landscape on fire
Are you fucking high
>I have no mercy for bad writing
>crush it with reality check
>>>/Reddit/

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>>156474849
>>156474947
I realized that after posting it.
Took you guys too long to notice it.

I was referring to the steam actually.
The higher the humidity in the air, the hotter you would feel. Such is the reason why saunas can kill if you stayed too long despite the complete absence of fire. It is also one of the rules in firefighting: never open a hot door as the sudden gust of hot wind will kill you in an instant "
But of course, since this is super lasers we are talking about, the effect would be so much greater

Enough to melt your laser BETAs

>>156475298
Oh, and by the way, unlike armor and mirrors than can be burned, steam is still a shield against lasers

>>156475298
Yeah, BETA work on the sunny side of the Moon and release super-heated lasers, I somehow doubt temperature really go stop them.

>>156475449
Radiation is different from convection brought by direct contact with searing hot air

Today I learned that water vapor is not a gas.

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>>156476090

>>156475561
the BETAs on Earth are probably somewhat different from those used on the moon.

Why make "one fits all environments hazards" BETA instead of one made specifically for one planet or moon.

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>>156476417
We are talking about creatures that can still be taken down by simple gun fire. If you have that thin of an armor, then you will be taken down by hot air

Note: this is what 6 minutes of 110C of hot air does to the skin. One wrestler even died in Finland's sauna competition.

With BETA's infinite energy fueling the air, I expect that the temperature would be unrecognizable from actual napalm

>>156476588
I'm going off now. Later if thread is still alive

>>156476588

>Sauna competitions

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>>156469285
I came up with a master plan. This is how you defeat laser class: You fire a missile with a mirror inside it. If the missile is hit by laser, it quickly directs the mirror toward the laser source, causing the laser class to kill itself as the beam reaches inside the missile.

>>156470962
Stuff like this make me so mad.

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Who sensei here

Is muv-luv really that good or is it just a bunch of anons just jerking each other off on the series?
The animus any good?

>>156478179
Alternative is legit great one of the best tranlated vn, the problem is that extra and unlimited arent even close but you need both so you can actually enjoy alternative. The animus are meh.

>>156478536
I see. Would I find copies of the VNs on nyaa if I look hard enough, or will they take a bit more thinking

I remember seeing the infographic but it induces buyfagging of which im not really a fan of, due to being poor and all that

>>156478179
The trilogy is good, but unadaptable for anime. Manga is fine though. Total Eclipse is alright, but the anime adapts only 2/3 of it. Schwarzesmarken is shittilly written, and shittily adapted, but the anime has good fights.

The "general" is almost pure waifufaggotry, with occational news and new content being posted.

>>156478601
You can still pirate it if you want and only buy it if you like it and want less hassle to play it.

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Goddamn someone needs to screencap this thread, the autism of that one anon trying to preach that water vapour =/= gas despite all the facts thrown at him is divine

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>>156478179

I don't know shit about the source material, nor have I ever participated in the threads, but I've enjoyed both seasons of the anime.

>>156472571
You can start with MLA but it won't be as good and you'll lack emotional attachment.
Also, the despair is on the male MC. Lots and lots of despair.

>>156477240
Sounds more legitimate than Mohs Hardness 15 BS. Which could be made not BS if they simply described four substances each for Mohs 11, 12, 13, and 14, but even that step was beyond the staff, apparently.

>>156484200
Why would they have described these four substances? Shirogane isn't a scientist. He doesn't even know what Mohs is. These four substances are likely BETA-related, just like most SF devices in the series.

>>156484339
Because otherwise the scale doesn't fucking work. It's as simple as filling in four spaces, like most school children learn in middle school earth science or even earlier.

>>156470962
is this hentai

>>156484752
They don't need to describe every concept in detail. Just because some character evokes a 15 Mohs substance doesn't mean he also has to list the substances that range between 10 and 14.