Dragon Ball Super

trunks and goten

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>>156410013
I cant, you win.

>>156410013
Smunks and Shu

>>156410092
Is the building holding back?

Did they fug?

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Who would win?

Zamasu or Building?

Remember that time Gohan EPIC BTFO all the cellfags?

>>156410149
Building

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>>156410117
Do you really think they were only drinking tea all the time in that cabin?

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> yfw your twin brother is hundreds of times stronger than you now

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That's it. Im getting sick and tired of DBS' inconsistency.
Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.

But in Super there is a huge one, and by huge I mean HUGE.

Everyone saw the last Tournament between U6 and U7. Including Zeno.
That tournament was dominated by U7 fighters, they DID WON.
Not to mention Beerus is way stronger than Champa.
So you can't say "ningens lost, but the Hakaishin is stronger".

Now how the fuck is Universe 6 is superior to Universe 7???

> If you would say it's TOei's fault, I 'd believe that!

>Zamasu's dub voice is the same guy who played Piccolo in Dragonball Evolution

>>156410229
>people still believe the 17 is stronger than SSB meme

You guys are retards. Watch, he'll job early in the tournament.

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>>156410013
No one can, this is literally the best duo.

>>156410270
>I don't understand how averages work

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>>156410270
>Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck.
Stopped reading there

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i wonder if someone has more GT QUALITY .webms?

this shit's too much for me

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>>156410300
I never said 17 was stronger than SSB.

We don't know if Goku was just testing him for the tournament or went all-out.

Either way, 17 is still far stronger than he used to be

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>>156410296
Both Justin Chatwin and Emmy Rossum, two major characters (and main in the case of Emmy) are the protagonists of Dragonball evolution

Let that sink in.

>>156410300
he is ssb tier stay mad

>>156410385
meant to say in shameless

>Kaioken
>A technique taught by Kaio-sama, the overseer god of the galaxy of the east.
>It's a power up by messing with the user ki.
>Fucks up the user when he is a filthy ningen.
>It's stable and cool with god ki.

GEE I WONDER

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>>156410013
I want a Buddy Cop movie with Zamasu and Black as the two main cops

>>156410453
KK doesn't fuck up the user unless they overdo it. It's hardly stable with god ki if the anime is anything to go by.

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>>156410385
I wonder how they feel about making that trainwreck of a movie that was DB Evolution.

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>>156410453
> god technique only works with god form

I know Kaioken only works with SSB because of the god ki's "calm nature", but this is so fitting regardless

Какое же говно этот ваш драгон бол, я его маму рот ебал.

>>156410149
Depends

Did Building train after it got it's final form, or was it in a hurry to fight?

>>156410488
He's done it a couple of times since they said it gives him Ki cancer and nothing's happened since. I don't know if they forgot about that or if it was just a filler episode.

Is Hit autistic?

>>156410630
I think the popular headcanon is that just x10 fucks your shit up and he's using x2 so he's fine.

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>>156410630
I figured Goku's body is getting used to it over time

>>156410668
Any level of KK that you can't control and haven't trained with fucks your shit up.

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>>156410013

>>156410690
This looks so fucking cool. I didn't understand why going SSG would be more helpful than this in the manga.

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Why was Goku's zenkai so much larger than Vegeta's?

Especially considering that Vegeta wrecked Goku's shit in Earth

>>156410404
If 17 is on ssb level then Tenshinhan is on ssb2.
Tenshinhan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>17

>>156410819
t. Chiaotzu

>>156410787
Because SSJBKK drains his stamina like crazy. SSJG is far more efficient.

>>156410453
Will Goku use it in the manga?

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>>156410818
Because Jobeta will always be number two, and by number two I mean poop.

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>rereading the manga
>find this line
I had forgotten all about this. Will they ever show us the angels' planet?

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Is this the biggest retcon in DB History?

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I feel bad for Future Bulma.

>>156410149
>hurr durr, having the power to make ki blasts translates into physical strength

Goku has mild super strength, he doesn't have any feats other than the Kachiko block

What was the first instance that a fusion ran out quicker than normal because of how much energy they were using? I don't remember that happening to Gotenks when he went SSJ3.

>>156410909
If he has a home planet, then maybe the angels aren't his siblings? Could be just people from his race for the exception of Daishinkan and Vados.

>>156410711
Well Bulma and Goku was only a duo for a short time.

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>>156410977
It did happen to Gotenks when he went SSJ3. It cut the time down to 5 minutes

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>>156410943
> "Was something used to explain a plot-hole the biggest retcon?"


> Every thousand years, a Saiyan who is pure of heart is born and will become SS
> Never mind, anyone who is pure of heart and angry can do it
> Never mind you can be evil too
> Never mind you don't even have to be mad

Nope

>>156410977
>I don't remember that happening to Gotenks when he went SSJ3.

Except it did exactly that

>>156411031
Oh okay. I was worried that concept was introduced in GT and then Super went with it also.
>>156411062
My bad friend

>>156411036
isn't the pure heart bit a dubism?

>>156411021
They were perfect couple.

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Any DBS Home Release edits for the Future Trunks arc?

>>156411178
Nope, they didn't fix shit in trunks arc

>SSJ3 will never not be shit outside games

>>156410229
she still has Destructo disc

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>>156410300
>Watch, he'll job early in the tournament.

Have you seen all the massive hype surrounding him? (interviews, videos, fight against Goku, OP shots)

It also doesn't make sense that he's back after so long only for him to job early. I'm pretty sure he'll shine in this tournament and probably get eliminated by Jiren, either by jobbing hard against him to hype the Ayy even more, or manages to give him a decent fight.

>>156411233
Why did Toriyama even invent it if he was never going to use it?

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>>156411178
Out of all the arcs, the Future Trunks arc needed the least fixes

Though i would like them to fix some of episode 67

>>156411281
SS3 probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but he regretted it quickly.

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>>156411281
The recent major villains before Buu were destroyed by new SS forms

Toriyama wanted to show that even a new SS won't be enough for Buu

>>156411324
The art of episode 67 was fucking shit.

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>mfw we get 20 more episodes of character exploration and only 5 episodes of the actual tournament
toryiama should have sticked we the "le sudden stronger villain" meme instead of trying to recapture the budokai feeling which even wasn't that good since red ribbon/king piccolo arc were much better.

I really hope we get Super Saiyan Blue 3 Kaiyo Ken x 100

>>156411358
But wasn't that SSJ3 Goku could've beaten Buu?

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>>156411417
I know. It sticks out like a sore thumb

Which is disappointing considering the prior episode was animated brilliantly

>>156411358
honestly, toriyama pretty much already proved that with those Super Saiyan "upgrades" against Perfect Cell

>Ascended/Grade 2 did fuck all
>Ultra/Grade 3 was too damn slow
>Full-Power/Grade 4 is pretty shit too

>>156411480
>could've

Yea but he didn't. And that fact was revealed way later too, after Buu got much stronger

>>156411143
I mean they were alright but I wouldn't say perfect.

>>156410453
Also not canon

You forgot that part

>>156411143
>>156411537
Bulma and Goku are pretty much like siblings, they wouldn't be a good couple.

>>156410668
Popular canon is it doesnt matter because its not canon

>>156410787
Because its not canon

>>156410818
Its not

Goku surpassed vegeta when he was otw to namek training in 100x gravity, not from the zenkai

>>156410639
No but a lot of the posters in dbs threads are

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>>156410013
Impossible

>>156411655
>Bulma and Goku are pretty much like siblings
Not related by blood, everyone knows the only reason that siblings don't jump on each others backs is just because of the blood bond, the unconditional love that they feel for each other makes them the perfect couple.

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Did Gohan lose Mystic forever?

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>>156410013
Ningen ja nai kedo

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>Godblu Kaioken isn't canon
>meanwhile, Tracotaro wants to make "le switching to max stages of super saiyan levels and grades in DBAF" a canon thing in Manga!Super
fuck your shit

>>156411857
Nah. Probably just lost access to it since he got a dad bod.

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>>156411782
Vegeta got TWO zenkai's and it still didn't come close to Goku

>>156411897
Vegeta was far stronger than Goku once he got his first Zenkai and fucked off. Goku surpassed him back when he got his Zenkai after being utterly thrashed while Ginyu had his body.

>>156411847
By your logic adopted siblings will always fuck each other because they aren't related by blood.

>>156411897
so this is the power of "holding back"?

wew

>>156411480
Ssj3 only really worked when he was dead and was able to bypass the extreme stamina drain

He never bothered to perfect it

Ssj3 is kind of like ussj, lots of power but too much of a penalty for it to be very viable

>>156411897
This kills the holding back fags

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>>156411835
>Impossible

>>156411962
>Goku has never kissed chichi

I wonder what sex is like for them

>>156411897
Vegeta also didnt spend a couple weeks gravity training

>>156411999
Milftoon has some of the fucking weirdest comics I swear to god. Like incest is a good fetish but they aren't supposed to fall in fucking love.

>>156411926
If they feel love for each other, they will most definitely fuck.

>>156411978
I wouldn't say it was as harsh as USSJ, especially since it didn't hamper his speed, but it certainly put strain on him. It's too bad. I would have loved seeing a Full Power SSJ3.

>>156410950
Does anyone have that fanart of all the dead future counterparts watching the final battle of the Future Trunks arc?

>>156412012
Like fucking a dead fish

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>>156412012
Chichi sets herself on all fours and Goku fucks her doggy style after smelling the scent of her pussy.

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>>156410013
You'll have proof soon enough.

>>156412123
Were you that desperate that you fucking fucked a dead fish? Pathetic.

>>156412207
>tfw Dragon Ball Kart Super DX removed ki-hopping

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>>156412207
Soon

>>156410951
>Goku has mild super strength
Nigga, first episode Dragonball Goku could take a bullet to the face. Kid Goku could wreck the entire Ginyu Force. By mid Z training under multiple times Gravity becomes the norm. And let's not forget all the planetbusting attacks Goku took to the face without even as much as chipping a tooth. He should be able to lift a medium sized building with ease. Going SS4 should be overkill.

>B-But Ki is unrelated to strength
Patently false. Remember the preliminary strength test in the Buu saga World Martial Arts tournament? And how everyone held back immensely except Vegeta, who in his base form utterly destroyed the machine in the most casual manner? Are you telling me strength comparable to that of Buu saga base Vegeta isn't enough to lift a medium sized building that's tipping over?

>>156411269
>It also doesn't make sense that he's back after so long only for him Vegeto says hi.

>>156412275
>referencing early DB seriously
fucking kek

>>156412275
>Kid Goku could wreck the entire Ginyu Force
*Red Ribbon Army.

>>156412319
Yeah, silly me. Assuming Toriyama remains consistent, what was I thinking?

Reminder that Bra is essentially a synthetic human

>>156412207
I love Kid Trunks' face in the 3rd panel for some reason.

>>156412275
>Vegeto says hi

Vegeto is a fusion that got shafted by the shitty potara retcon.

>>156412090
Yet there are blood-related siblings out there who still fuck each other. Your logic is stupid.

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toyotaro correcting toei again

>>156412491
does that mean more Black on Zamas action?

>>156412364
>implying that's the issue and not you referencing DB when it was a gag manga
Idiot

>>156412491
Reminder that this is retarded logic because apparently he's supreme kai enough to use the time rings but not enough to fuse permanently?

Toyotaro isn't even consistent with the presented rules and is thus a bad story teller.

>>156412546
Absolutely.

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How do mangacucks feel knowing their shitty, jobber versions of Black/Zamasu will never be recognized as the official canon after the release of the newest XV2 dlc?

>b-but Merged Zamasu wil have m-muh katchin blocks

Not happening, already confirmed to be the alpha Anime version of Merged Zamasu instead of the cucked beta Manga version:

>>156412546
I kinda want to see art of Zamasu topping Black too.

>>156412491
Explain how he was able to use the time rings then???

>>156412614
eh thats because gowasu promoted zamasu so that he could do the time travel with him. in the same chapter itself kaioshin even says " gowasu you didnt tell him everything". So zamasu thought having a supreme kai ring was good enough to become supreme kai if that would be the case then vegito would also last forever.

>>156412738
Retard

>>156412771
>no argument
>buzzword
how about you go fuck yourself you illiterate

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toyo clearing up stuff again

>>156412842
Is this shit real

>>156412810
Nice headcanon. Toyotaro fucked up again, accept it and stop making up excuses for your cucklord you absolute faggot

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>Manga Vegetto is Beerus tier
>Anime Vegetto is weaker than Future Trunks
Top kek

>>156412887
>implying
More like Toei fucked up, as usual.

>>156412911
>Manga SSJ2 Trunks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku

Top kek

>>156412887
>i didnt read the manga
>cucklord
>>>/b/ this is more your liking you underage faggot

>>156412968
>Manga SSJ2 Trunks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku
>stronger
You mean equal.

>>156412491
How does this fix anything? It's still a dumb retcon.

>>156412887
>literally unable to express an opinion without abusing buzzwords
You should go back to /v/, you will feel right at home.

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>>156412887
how about reading the manga paco before sperging out?

>>156411632
kaioken is not canon?

>>156412977
Why would I want to read noncanon promotional material?

Super Saiyan Rage Toranksu is an anime-exclusive transformation right?

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>Toyotaro actually had the nerve to make Vegito surpass Beerus

Defend this.

>>156412275
>Kid Goku could wreck the entire Ginyu Force
Young Goku was fucking badass.

>>156410600
No, but Building is holding back.

>>156410149
>Building
That window could beat zamasu

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>>156412876
It's the Niggastream translation. Here's the Viz

>>156413091
Don't feed the troll

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>>156413109
Hopefully.

>>156413112
Why wouldn't he? Whis already said Goku and Vegeta together would cause a lot of trouble for Beerus. Fusion is more than just adding the two together.

>>156412996
No, stronger

Goku had to tap into his god ki in the manga to beat Trunks

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>>156413109
There's at least one chapter left, so we still can't say that for sure.

>>156413112
beerus is a 10
goku and vegeta are a 6
6+6=12
rewatch RoF whis says if both vegeta and goku fight together they could ahndle beerus

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>>156413107
Don't worry fellow Toeichad, just post this image and this kills the Toyocucks

>>156413112
I prefer the anime, but i don't see anything wrong with this

Whis already said Goku and Vegeta can maybe beat Beerus if they work together.

SSB Vegetto should be stronger, but Beerus would still win with HAKAI

>>156412446
>Your logic is stupid
Stupid?
You just proved my point, that siblings just want to fuck like rabbits.

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>>156413186
>No, stronger
Nope, equal.

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Let's play a game:where's Goku's face!!

>>156412842
TORYIAMA HAS SPOKEN

>>156412380
>the reason why bra looks older than pan in eoz is because of whis
>17 is equal to or stronger than ssb goku and calls him "super"
toriyama is outright confirming that gt is canon.
why cant people see the writing on the wall?

>>156413112
>Vegeto is declared the new God of Destruction
>Can now use Potara earrings for permanent fusion
Make this happen!
>Inb4 "muh Bulma, muh Chichi"
Yamcha can get a sloppy seconds double whammy.

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>>156413280
Here it is

>>156413216
>homages are bad

>>156413166
> Two anime-only transformations
> One anime-only filler character using an already established transformation

Pic makes no sense

>>156413131
Fuck off vegerot.

>>156413186
It was equal, Vegeta said so.
Goku went SSG to end the fight faster.

>>156413131
>vegerot
i know its supposed to be vegeta and kakarot but fuck .... djinn the buu, lords of lords just viz my shit up

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>>156413280
Here.

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>>156413280
Necku absorbed it.

>>156413244
Continue reading retard

They clearly say Goku tapped into his god ki

>>156413447
>Continue reading retard
Take your own advice.

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>>156410013
I win

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MY DICK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkw0mPjFDpo

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>>156413289
>Trunks crossdresses as Mai

>>156410013
Caroline and Justine
Their Fusion is better too

>>156412842
>Vegetto isn't actually a weak jobber
WTF i love toyo now

>>156413493
Toyo is so ugly.

>>156413493
Is he tracing in that self portrait?

>>156413492
>zeno's niece asks nicely to save Universe 7

Anyone else ready for the return of ULTIMATE GOHAN!?!?!!!

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>>156413577
>tracing

do we know when is filler ending?

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It is I, Copytaro

Ask me anything

>>156413596
ULTIMATE GOD GOHAN OR NOTHING

>>156413614

>selecting team for tournament
>filler

Nigga wat?

>>156413614
filler has merely just begun

>>156413493
>We cannot access this video because of country restrictions!
Dammit

>>156413621
I-I-it's just a homage you fucking r-retard

Can I sick your dick now Toyosamajdnab OH YES MMHMMM MMMMMM GET ALL THAT CUM IN MY MOUTH TOYO SLURP SLURP

Fucking Beerus should unlock god ki for the 8 participants, he sucks.

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>>156413495
That's some cool coincidence

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vegetto blue for dlc4 xenoverse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=112&v=csUZeM9odzY

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>>156413621
Keep up the good work.

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If you're still debating powerlevels/powerscaling, fuck off. Why fuck off? If the producer of the god damned show doesn't care about consistency, then that's it, it's done. The arguments are fucking dead.

Is SSB Goku holding back? Against Krillin? Yeah, it's obvious Krillin can't hold his own against Base Goku alone, this was already proven.

Is SSB Goku holding back against 17? Fuck no. It's obvious with all the Hype they had around 17, they intended for him to be near that level. This SSB Goku which went through hell and earth against Goku Black and Zamasu, fought a God-Level version of his race's killer, and has even fought a God Of Destruction and lived to tell the tale, struggled against a park ranger.

Quit arguing it, quit acting as if you can PROVE anything about ANYONE anymore. The shit I said about Krillin?? I could be fucking WRONG. If the producer doesn't care at all then obviously neither should you. Arguing endlessly is pointless.

Protip: Nobody is forcing you to watch the show. It may suck now, but if it stresses y'all out to the point where you have to blow up countless threads full of the same, spiteful shit; """""grown adults""""" who can't handle cartoons? Then you should stop watching it, seriously.

I myself am loving it, because I also don't give a shit what happens as long as it's cool as fuck. (Of course I, nor anyone wants anymore extreme situations like the ones we've had, especially if they're poorly animated or written as bad or worse.)

tl;dr: Literally nothing you debate about DBS powerscaling issues can be proven. So stop wasting hours trying to prove random anons on 4chan wrong when they can easily just fucking ignore you, lol.

>>156413800
Manga is not canon

>>156413621
I refuse to believe that this one specifically is copying because Gohan is his teacher. It makes sense for Trunks to fight like Gohan.

>>156413849
No it DOESNT you FUCKING retard shut the fuck up

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Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister

>>156413680
>Can I sick your dick now Toyosamajdnab OH YES MMHMMM MMMMMM GET ALL THAT CUM IN MY MOUTH TOYO SLURP SLURP

That's not a question, but I'm flattered

Ask me who my favorite character is, or what is my favorite SS transformation (you'll never guess what it is!)

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>tfw never ;_;

>>156413800
I know people are going to defend this, so I'll say it right now: Don't.

Both Goku and 17 were holding back, sure. But there's still a problem here: There is no visible 'Gap' between the two. If they were both holding back yet were seemingly equal? Then that means 17 is still somehow stronger than a Goku who has:

Trained 7 years in otherworld
Absorbed the Power of SSG
Fought a GoD and lived to talk about it
Fought Golden Frieza, who was as strong as a form several times stronger than SSG
Trained for 3 years in the RoSaT
Got his ass handed to him by Hit
Received numerous zenkais over the Black Arc
Fought an insanely powerful Fusion that only got fucked up because Black and Zamasu weren't compatible. Had they been, then they would have been truly fucked through and through.
Became x10 stronger: proven by Goku overpowering Hit without the need of Kaioken x10. Hit wasn't holding back either, the dude was going all out like he promised he would. Fucker killed Goku, which is quite the feat.

All 17 has done is:
Range a fucking park for a decade or more.
Give some energy to the Genki Dama to destroy Majin Buu.

That's fucking it.
It's illogical and stupid as shit.
It's plot convenience and it's garbage. They could've at least fucking explained it.

Despite all of this, this dumb ass motherfucker is like:
"GONNA KILL MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO INSTANTLY ONE-SHOT PEPE THE FROG, CYA GOKU, TELL MY SENPAI I SAID PEACE OUT."
Toei what the fuck are you doing???

The one thing I can respect about the manga, as shit as it may be at times, it at least isn't as fucking absurd with plot points. (With the cost of it being infinitely less dire at all times and lacking any real spectacular moments.)

>>156413849
>I refuse to believe that this one specifically is copying

Anon...it's not Masenko or anything.

It's just random punches

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>>156414015
I can't say how relieved I am that others in this thread are calling out Super for being the complete clusterfuck it is.

Every goddamn episode, some completely unnecessary inconsistency or character-derailing moment is thrown in for shits and giggles. It feels like Toei and/or Toriyama are TRYING to shit on their own series.

Power scaling is all over the damn place, you literally can't even make a solid guess on how strong half the cast is. Piccolo and Frieza get some of the most ridiculous boosts in the entire series. "But if Frieza did it, why can't anyone!?"

Goku becomes a completely unbearable cunt with no personality aside from annoying fight junkie, and suddenly, "muh original japanese goku, not meant to be a hero"

He's always been a flawed dipshit, but in the original manga, he showed plenty of examples of wanting to defend others. Flawed judgement/bad decisions=/=complete apathy

All I want to do is punch DBS Goku in the goddamn face, but he'd probably love that, too.

And that's just the tip of the goddamn iceberg.

>inb4 GT

It's shit, too. But I'll give it one thing, its characters didn't look like cardboard cutouts in every other shot.

>>156413795
Thanks! Toriyama let's me do anything I want!

Good thing he isn't forgetful or lazy!

>>156413493
Can someone download this video and upload it here? https://nya.is

It isn't viewable in my country.

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>>156414015
>>156414051
Your pasta's already pretty stale.

Every time I see it I'm going to post Goku/Bulma from this point forward.

>>156414146
just use proxy

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>>156412106
Here anon

>>156414242
Thanks.

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>He refers to Hercule as "Mr Satan"

>>156414242
Why is Bulma on King Kai's planet?

>>156414510
>He refers to Kullilin as Krillin

>>156414188
>shipping gohan and chichi
this tomfoolery needs to stop

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>>156414603
Because

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>>156413443
>that scan
Jesus fuck.

>>156414858
is that the face of a real slut?

>>156412996
trunks is a hybrid and is 15 years older than when the cell games happened, a middle aged man. He's supposed to be stronger since he pretty much takes on everything that has to happen in his universe solo

Yes, a whole thread all to myself

>>156414242

I see hell, but Gine isn't there.

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>>156415736
leave this entire thread to me

>>156414242
I know that's filler hell, but would Future Vegeta still be there? He was trying to defeat the androids when he died.

Also, what would Vegeta's canon hell look like? Would he be in a cocoon like Frieza, but instead of stuffed animales, he'd have to watch Goku get stronger and stronger for all eternity

>>156415883
the cocoon shit was reserved for pure evil shits like Frieza desu

>>156415883
Future Vegeta never redeemed himself
He was still at the Android saga stage of Vegeta where he was just coming out of being super evil, but was still a huge asshole

>>156414242
Why can't the creators be this fucking smart?


And even more so, why haven't they told Trunks to get the other dragon balls?? :O

>>156414603
getting fucked by both gohan and goku

>>156414242
i wonder what Other Future Cell feels about this

>>156416047
that's like saying why don't the saiyans farm for zenkai with senzu beans, the healing machine, or the Namek Dragon Balls.

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>>156415883
I dont think Vegeta redeemed his evil ways until after being turned into a Majin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2DKpbuR0Sw

>>156416242
does anyone have that collage of how many times Vegeta cared for Gohan?

>>156416150

I think that has more to do with Goku and Vegeta's personalities. It might also be better to train to your limits and heal, then just take a blast to the chest over and over.


It's still not the same though as my question. My question is why have the creators forgot and pretend shit doesn't exist, like the Zfighters in otherworld never talk to Trunks and it probably has to do with the fact that they always try to make Trunks' future seem more dark and death is more final there ignoring the fact that we all know there's an otherworld.

>>156410013
>Not putting rose petals instead of hearts
Shame..

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>>156416242
dont think I've seen it, but i do know that he's basically felt regret for causing Gohan harm a few times, with Cell and Majin Buu.

Also found this while searching. Trunks really cares for Gohan a whole lot, even in Super he wants to protect him and his family from such a future as his own.

>>156410270
>People falling for this
Glad to see faggots from reddit are pouring in here now. (Seriously, the majority of them are so god damned oblivious that it's fucking laughable.)

Btw, when do we get more "Goku was holding back" comics?

>>156416242
meant to reply to
>>156416364

>>156416551
Of course he does. Future Gohan was a father and brother figure to him on top of being best character

>>156411496
And that's exactly why 67 was shit, lol.

>>156416551
I didn't like those scenes with Future Trunks projecting Future Gohan onto Present Gohan, it felt like forced drama. He never did that during the Cell arc.

Trunks overcame Gohan's death a long time ago and he knows damn well that the Gohans are pretty much 2 different people.

>>156413471
Goku used SSG, how is that not tapping into God Ki?

>>156411496
Pure Kinema: The Fight.webm

>>156413131
Does anyone have the original Japanese scan of this panel, I want to see for my self if it says Vegito or... Vegerot.

>>156413227
I doubt hakai would work on Vegeto. If hakai is like any other hax ability, Vegeto should be able to withstand it with raw power like Goku did against Tokitobashi. Beerus has only ever used hakai on mid-tier shitters like present Zamasu.

>>156416887
I think it has more to do with losing family and now that Gohan isn't(and now is again) a fighter and has a family, Trunks wants to protect it like Future Gohan did for Trunks and Bulma.

And the newest manga, also has him saying how Future Bulma wanted to go back and meet vegeta and how he doesn't want younger bulma to lose her husband either.

They really should have just brought him to the past for good imo, fuck his future timeline.

>>156413204
This is an estimation from the movie which isn't canon and was made way before toriyama had any idea what the story was going to be like. It is very clear that Beerus is now around the range of over 10 times Goku.

>>156417137
I doubt that. There's too many characters above or around Beerus' level, and Goku will have to fight them at some point. Jiren is already too damn powerful for a mortal. Just imagine what the strongest fighters from the strongest universes are like.

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what went wrong?

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>>156417076
Trunks is very attached to his timeline though, it's his home. But I'm really curious to see what will happen to Trunks and Mai and their timeline in the manga.

>>156417310
Pretentiousness

>>156417310
He didn't spend enough time learning from Maeda.

>>156417137
10 times Goku, SSG?
The anime's numbers are all over the place and so fucking ridiculous. Goku has easily surpassed Beerus in the anime if you apply any fucking logic to it.

The manga is less of a cluster fuck, makes way more sense and it's easily believable that Goku at full SSB is slightly under Beerus, but Vegetto is more powerful.

but incase you missed a whole lot of the anime shit. Goku was a 6 at SSG and Beerus was a 10.
Goku unlocked SSB, trained for 3 years, used kaioken which freaked out Beerus(He..he was gonna use that on me??) and then turned it up to times 10. Then after Black saga, he didn't even need Kaioken to beat Hit and yet still shows he's got it in his arsenal and claims to even surpassed that.

Say Beerus is 10xSSG goku... Goku passed that. Say Beerus is 10xSSB Goku, Goku surpassed that. Goku in the anime at full power should be able to kill Beerus in seconds. But hey, this is Japan so logic isn't applied.

>>156416372
And make the arc end too quick? Not for marketing, we can't!

>>156417562
I mean after the arcs. After the Cell he should have searched for the Namekians instead of like what, 7 years of jacking off(not sure how much time has passed for his universe) and after the Black saga, S.Kai should have offered to go to that new timeline whis did and found the namekians for him. I just want this guy to have a happy ending is all.

>>156417796
>not sure how much time has passed for his universe
The same amount of time that passed for the main timeline, 12-13 years.

>>156410818
On earth

>>156417931
Then that motherfucker has been wasting a lot of time. No kids, never once searching for dragons balls... him and his mom not aging any further...

>>156410013

Xicor and West Kai

>>156411036
>pure of heart
Pure evil is still pure.

>>156418771
Well, he trained his ass off during all those years, so it wasn't that much of a waste of time. I agree that he should have started his own family much sooner though since he is the only one with saiyan genes left.

>searching for dragon balls
That's not really his fault because no one bothered to tell him the location of New Namek. Maybe he doesn't even know about the Namekian DBs.

Why has been Gohan's character so inconsistent during Super so far?

>>156419306
Because the writing is shit.

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>>156419306
It's not just Gohan.

>>156411178
They literally only retouched like 3 episodes in total and only because they got meme-tier bad status in JP.
Ep5, Ep25 and the Vegetto vs Zamasu (the 7 fingers shit and a couple of shots that had missing shading).

Everything else is untouched on BD.

All of Gohan's adventures in high school episodes were better than 90% of the Cell Saga

>>156419306
Because they can't break from the status quo imposed by torigod.
He is canonically a worthless jobber now.

>>156419288
>Maybe he doesn't even know about the Namekian DBs

But he was there on Kami's Lookout when Goku got Dende and made the new Dragon Balls. He knows there's a Namek out there and they have a set of dragon balls. He also knows that Dende would probably come to earth with him to make a new set and be guardian.

And while looking this up, found out that King Kai can use the same teleportation ability as Goku, so why not have him go meet Trunks and bring him there and back for him, or give Goku a day in the living realm.

just things that could/can happen that would never...

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>>156416150
>that's like saying why don't the saiyans farm for zenkai with senzu beans, the healing machine,
One of the reasons why I enjoy Manga Black.

So I get Goku not telling anyone about the real consequences of the Tournament, but why the hell is Gohan withholding that information, isn't he supposed to be smart? It also doesn't help that even Goku thought that maybe he should tell them only for Gohan to say no.

>>156420378
Because a lot of them would panic. Krillin especially would freak out and get nervous about fucking up and having his family erased.

>>156420439
What, so it's better to have them find out at the Tournament and get fucking pissed at Goku and Gohan for not telling them?

>>156420439
They're going to find out anyway, better to tell them right away so they can be mentally prepare than to have them find out the hour of the tournament and have them fall apart from anxiety

>>156420578
I assume both Goku and Gohan are willing to take that anger so they don't freak out.
>>156420605
It puts them in more of a do or die situation this way. By the time they find out they likely won't have that much time to think about it.

>>156420652
That's fucking retarded though, Krillin especially has problems with shit like this

>>156410818
Filphy manlet, should have gone by then.

>>156420694
True but when it comes to do or die situations he tends to hold up.

>>156419474
I agree, Cell saga is overrated shit. The earlier parts with only the androids (before Cell showed up) made me think it was going to be awesome, but it was a disappointment.

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I miss him so much.

>>156410630
Only JUU BAI DA fucks the body

>>156420776
same. great villian

>gohan gets two training episodes

we did it bros.

>>156421241
He just needs his own outfit
I think it should be the Piccolo clothes but in green, but that's just me

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>>156410149

Reminder my boy 17 is literally at LEAST as strong as SSB and probably stronger because he trained for 10 years by beating up poachers.

>>156410375
In all likelyhood he is well into the range of SSB.
"Holding back" means he is not using KK.

>>156421464
He also has nice feminine arms

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>>156421297
He has gis Saiyaman one.

Looked sweet in the Buu Saga with the headgear and cape off.

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>>156421536
>Great Saiyaman
>Gohan
How are these two things related?

>>156421297
Piccolo with a red garb would be fucking rad

>>156421464
the only thing he trained was his butthole where his wife pegged him for 10 years straight

>>156421596
But anon, that dose isn't FDA approved.

>>156417017
ベジータ (Bejitta) + カカロット(Kakarotto) = ベジット (Bejitto)

>>156421672
No, as in send me the actual scan. I'm confused as to why Viz would translate it as Vegerot if it isn't even saying ベジロット because that's not even translating that's just pulling shit out of their ass

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>post yfw gogeta becomes canon in the tournament.

>>156421781
They applied the same logic with their names. If you translate Kakarotto as Kakarot then it makes sense for Vegitto to be translated as Vegirot if you think about it.

>>156421781
because in the official translations of the buu saga where vegito first appeared he referred to himself as vegeta and kakarot calling himself vegerot. (which leads me to believe that vegeta was the dominant personality in the potara fusion including the fact he physically resembles vegeta more)

>Goku's new form falls to Jiren
>Mutters something about holding back as he falls off the platform
>Only 17 and 18 left
>17 beats Jiren but can't win a 4v2
>17 and 18 fuse to beat u6's new "LSSJ, female, 10 years vs poachers, kaiokenx100 god ki saiyan"

Who holds back

>>156421781
It's Viz using the idea of Vegetto's name, but because the "to" at the end of "Kakarotto" isn't in english they used "rot" from the end of "Kakarot"

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>>156414242
>Bulma on King Kai's planet

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you guys complain about Toyo tracing a ton of shit and Toei recycling old shit as well, but never have i seen this amount of reusage and tracing out of this fanmade shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5GkkMo62Wc

at least Mellaveli fucking tries to stay original for DB Absalon

>>156421888
>>156421885
>>156421873

Geez just link the manga! There is only ONE way to read katakana. You literally just read it.

>>156421970
We literally just explained to you that it's not the actual translation and Viz doing stupid shit, god damn

>>156422013
I wanted to see the scans for myself because I've been busy all day and it would've been nice for me not to have to google and look it up or something. I was assuming Viz was just pulling shit out of their ass but I wanted to make sure because I'm fully aware that the Dragon Ball fandom is full of people who pretend they know Japanese.

>>156411897
I wonder how Vegeta would of dealt with a healthy Ginyu.

>>156421921
Homage.

>>156422171
ouchie reference

Ok I'm about to punch something through the internet, I googled "Chapter 23 Dragon Ball Super Manga Japanese RAW" because nobody seemed to be posting it in this thread and every link to a "RAW" is a goddamn English translation do they even know what the fuck RAW is supposed to mean? Fuck.

>>156411281
Toriyama is obviously senile and becoming more of a hack by the minute. Creating a new transformation while abandoning it and making it useless when it could be of been trained to be versatile is just more evidence of his bullshit.

>>156422138
>would of

>>156410356
If it's GT, quality is impossible.

>>156422013
Ok I'm going to be that fucking guy for once and ask for "Source".

I'm TRYING to confirm here that Viz is doing stupid shit asspull translations, but all I've gotten so far is copy and pastes from what most likely is dragonball.wikia from people who even more likely don't even know how to read what they're copying and pasting like >>156421672

>>156422432
On Namek nigga, what's your point?

>>156422635
Smuggie please calm down, I've never seen you frustrated before and it's upsetting me

>>156422779
>would of
>would have*

>>156422779
retard

>>156422837
I'm sorry, but it's really frustrating when all I find via google is people arguing on places like Kanzenshuu, Reddit and GameFAQs (and from what you've seen, here, just scroll up), with the request being close to the same "What IS the actual translation".

All I need is the raw, Japanese, original scan. Not Korean. Not Vizglish.

Instead there's one or two people in every place giving an erroneous lecture on katakana of which they can't even read (which is stupid, why teach people something you don't even understand), the origin of Saiyan names (because I really needed to be reminded of how they're all named after vegetables) because THAT'S TOTALLY WHAT I ASKED FOR.

But no every place is "HI I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU MY INFOMERCIAL ON DRAGON BALL I KNOW SO MUCH DRAGON BALL DID YOU KNOW KAKAROT IS カカロット AND NAMED AFTER CARROT?!" no get the fuck out of my way I didn't ask for that.

when the hell is Limit Break OP full version being released again?

>>156423565
Doesn't have a release date yet.

>>156411324
Am I wrong or did Goku really have Trunks' entire universe destroyed casually and never bring it up again?

I'm still not sure if I got it right.

>>156423726
Kinda. They sent Trunks to another similar timeline. Now that one has two Trunks and two Mai.

>>156423531
Just read them like >>156421873 and yes they are being retarded, hope you find the answer soon though

>>156423531
Go fucking cry about it somewhere else then, we're not your hugbox faggot

>>156423565

Just listen to the short version twice

>>156411782
Goku had 3 zenkais on the way to namek too

>>156423806
It's hard to cry about it elsewhere when every corner of the dragon ball fandom is just as retarded, unless you're one of the anons he just called stupid, then point proven

>>156423726
The craziest thing to me is that Trunks' timeline multiverse now has no Zeno.

The entire multiverse idea has been a total clusterfuck full of inconsistencies and plotholes. By time traveling, you're effectively creating a new God and 12 new universes just by using some low tier human technology.

>when you've finally outgrown DB

>>156421887
>Mutters he was holding back as he falls off the platform

That would be some shit Goku would say

>>156423963
The whole schrodinger's cat and time travel involving Future Trunks with multiple divergent timelines was too complicated for someone like Toriyama to keep track of.

This is Toriyama, classic forgetful Toriyama who can barely keep up with a single timeline. I don't even know why he agreed to think that was a good idea.

Dragon Ball Fusions
Uub profile:
Majin Buu's reincarnation. After he entered the World Tournament. Goku kidnapped him to train him. He shares his master's gentle heart

WTF

>>156424071
>Goku
>Gentle Heart
>Primal instincts on hunting and killing wild animals for food
>First thing on meeting someone he's interested in is to punch them in the face to test their strength

>kidnapped Uub to train him

>>156410149
That window is insanely strong.

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>>156424071

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRkhHgd1e_8

Thoughts?

>>156417310
Everything went right, dumbass.

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>>156424434

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>>156413800
>carrots

>>156413493
Toyo is so tallented that he can draw and read at the same time

>>156414242
Would bulma be okay with the 10x gravity?

>>156424657
no

>>156424657
It would drain the blood from her brain, crush her internal organs and kill her in less than 5 minutes.

So no. Human and human-like physiology is only suited to withstand a maximum of 4x Earth Gravity. The Z warriors can only do it because of fightan magic.

>>156410013

unironically Gon and Killua

>>156424824
Would Bulma even get her body back in the afterlife to even have a physical form? Thought it was only for special case warriors. By all means she should be a puffy cloud of yellow spirit in that image.

I want the saiyans and planet Vegeta of U7 to get wished back somehow in Super. It would make for an interesting mini-arc with some fun character interactions as they are forced to find a place for themselves in a universe that has far outstripped them in terms of power. Seeing Vegeta and Goku talk to their parents after all these years would be pretty fun too, their reactions to their families would also be fun to see.

>>156424824
>drain the blood from her brain, crush her internal organs and kill her
she's already dead anon

her afterlife body wouldn't deal with pain at least