Tokyo Ghoul:re

Everything went wrong after the Tsukiyama arc ended
It was the hypest shit up until that point

>>156368910
yeah but how the fuck does Papa Ishida passes from savior of the edgeto such an over complicated plot in so little time?

>>156368995
>Papa Ishida
fuck off back to tumblr

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>>156369121
it's not a tumblr thing i just call everybody Papa
I never had a dad

>>156368995
Not only that but Ishida fucked over Shachi, Arima, and Yomo
Then brought back the one eye twins that no one cares about and the Monkey and Dog girl that no one cares about

The biggest tragedy for me though is Ishida turning an interesting and complex character like Mutsuki into a generoc yandere

>>156369163
I know right?
We went from "I like you boss" to "If i don't fuck your corpse I might die of thirst" in what? 30 chapters?
It sounded so OOC, i mean did anybody see this happen?

None of the answers to all the questions Ishida set up in the first half were satisfying

The Kaneki and Amon rivalry was a highlight of part one, and now that Amon is back I could not care any less

>>156368578
Idolmaster happened to Miura, what is Ishida's Kryptonite?

>>156369277
answering cool plot holes with good writing?

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also we get a chapter every week right? does that mean Ishida could have the whole "I have a vision but no time so I make shit " just to have something before the deadline?

>>156369384
I dunno if I could buy it
:re was a 9/10 for me through the Tsukiyama arc
Then he shits all over his genuinely good writing after

>>156368578
Because Amon is shit now.

>>156369454
then how does he do it?
Is he a genius in ruining stuff or just somebody from the anime team got to writte the rest?

>>156369495
Amon was never good, he worked as a pair with Kaneki, not as a standalone character

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>>156369163
>interesting and complex character like Mutsuki

>>156369542
Say what you will, but Mutsuki's gender issues, inferiority complex, and relationship with Torso was very interesting to me

>>156368995
Because Ishida dropped all the interesting plots he had been building.
>Amon building an organization to fight V.
Nah, his sole purpose is to show Saiko ghouls aren't that bad and tell Takizawa he wasn't living his life correctly.
>Kurona being Amon's batgirl to get revenge against Kano.
Nah, she is going to fight Suzuya AGAIN, lose, join Kaneki's party, rescue Amon and then fade into the background.
>Houji and Tatara's story.
Nah, Takizawa is going to oneshot them, then he is going to be BTFO by the edgy trap.
>Kaneki acting like the OEK
Nah, Touka's waiting for him. He can't make the wise woman that Touka is to wait.
>Akira's grudge against ghouls fighting against the fact that Amob and Takizawa are ghouls now.
Nah, a small talk with Touka the wise fix everything.
>Amon amd Kaneki's talk
Irrelevant and brief because Touka already talked with Amon and Amon has to bang Akira instead of fighting against V.

>>156369753
gender issues? Isn't that Tumblr 's thing?
I thought she just hide her real gender because of the rape thing as a way to not het hit on by boy?

>>156369753
>gender issues
Weren't really there. She never identified as anything other than a female. She merely pretended to be a male in front of others.

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>>156369860
> Touka

Ah yes, the subtle romance sub-plot out of nowhere,
Where the fuck did that came from?
Are we gonna have Kaneki end up with Tsukimya just to BTFO Kaneki/Touka shippers after that scene? a little like Bleach, so we can have a wall of butthurt?
Or best, make himend up with Mutskiso you slap shippers and trans-gender fans
Tryly Beautifull

>>156370015
>he is gonna end up dying with eto because muh destined pair.
Anyway ishida is going to introduce this arc out of his ass to pleasure nips so kaneki and touka get some romance before he dies, or the best outcome of the two, he having the balls to kill touka. Because lets be real, no one thinks touka is gonna die (I dont think myself) because of popularity in nipland, but storywise if we ignore that she is already dead by deathsflags.
She would be used as a plot device for kaneki, but that would be better than a romance subplot that was never needed

>>156370015
>touka
Everyone says that she is gonna win but I always get bleach flashbacks with her and kaneki.
Even the bleach author said shit that "I cant draw ichigo without rukia" and Ishida said "when I though kaneki name touka appeared after that"

>>156370346
wait she's popular with the japaneses?
Is it character wise or just because muh waifu cumdumpster?

>>156370427
yes but Rukia was important plot wise, hell the best story arc with soul society was with her,
Touka had no real developpement beside tsun tsun teacher of the world of ghouls, she became irrevelant after that
Hell, Amon had better developpement

>>156370427
>tfw you were an IchiRukifag, but hate TouKen.

>>156370441
They say they like her because she is cute, basically muh waifu cumdumpster
The ultrapopular characters there are touka, and then every character than people can imagine fujo with kaneki (hide, tsukiyama, amon, arima...)
then there were rizd, eto, akira and hinami from what I saw (I went to nipland last year)
The meme of eto isnt popular in nipland is fake though, she is like the third or so most popular girl. the fact is there is an abysmal difference on popularity between touka and the rest of female characters.

>>156370613
don't we have any nip popularity chart?
Like they usually do?

>>156370613
Touka is really just the boring patient waifu vanilla character for me. I see nothing appealing or interesting about her beyond her looks.

>>156370613
also
>fujo with kaneki
INB4 somebody once told me Jason rapped Kaneki
I ain't the sharpest toolin the shed

>>156370655
That was when :re nearly started, im 2014, it even had diferent votes for kaneki and haise and eto and takatsuki, things have changed since then
I bet nips hate mutsuki after these last chapters

Do we even have theoryfags or did they all die with the hype?

>>156370015
>Are we gonna have Kaneki end up with Tsukimya just to BTFO Kaneki/Touka shippers after that scene?
Tsukiyama have all qualities that Touka lack

>>156370864
except Touka actually ate Kaneki, in frontof Tsukimya
He got cucked since day one, poor psychopath

Why is Rem in this manga?

>>156369277
Trying to mimick Togashi.

>>156369753
>Mutsuki's gender issues
With this you BTFO your argument.

>>156370015
Kaneki just want a family that spoils him, not a waifu. The last time he got interested in pussy was Rize. Even in this last chapter he was too uncomfortable with Touka.

>>156368578
set up maybe?

>>156370863
There is literally nothing to speculate about anymore. The symbolism is bland and the parallels are extremely forced and unnecessary. Story has gone to shit. Even the idea behind kagune is just bullshit plot magic for the sake of convenience. Hide is almost guaranteed to return but that's it.

>>156368578
They started just drawing an artbook and then overlaying the pictures with ambiguous nonense poetry.

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>>156369753
Bet u played da:inquisition and thought Krem was brilliantly written and deep?

>>156372842
Every page is symbolic of something in the previous page. That's how meta it's gotten.

>>156372981
>imperialscans
did they just quit I don't remember

>>156369753
who gives a shit

>>156373068
They joined niggerstream.

>>156368578
Everyone knows after the Rose arc the manga went into the garbge , back then i couldn't keep myself from the spoilers and looking into every detail of it , now i forget even the day the chapter comes in

>>156370863
They died.

>>156372981
How wet was Mutsuki here?

>>156368578
It went off the deep end for me around the time tsukiyama's bodyguard or whatever, forgot her name, got her head kicked off. Her body grabbed it, reconnected it, and the most she said was "what just happened?". then 3 chapters later sharp tooth kid gets killed by being stabbed. betting money they both get resurrected somehow next arc.

>>156373133
same anon, exactly the same situation

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>>156373346
oh, and this shit

>>156373133
>>156368910
interesting how it was good when it was Haise instead of kaneki, wow the irony

>>156373427
It was only interesting because it promised interesting stuff with Kaneki's return. Haise and the Qs as characters were boring.

>>156370346
Deathflags mean literally nothing in this series.

Tsukiyama raised countless deathflags during the rose arc and Ishida still couldn't kill him off. He couldn't even kill Hinami or Yomo and Ayato in Cochlea. Fucking he'll he even brought Koma and Irimi back out of nowhere and now he's about to go full Naruto and bring actual dead characters back.

Ishida just keeps using these deathflags and red herrings to keep the readers interested in the story. It's always been like this ever since he pulled that trick with abruptly ending part1.

>>156374852
>abruptly
1000/7 is roughly 143
Ishida is a genius no matter what you say.

>>156368578
>What went wrong ?
What went wrong is that you people got insulted because the series finally showed how stupid you guys are.
The fact that you people didn't even notice that Touka and Kaneki really liked each other since before means that you guys never used your brains.
I feel sad for Ishida. Pretty sure he thought people were at least using their brains a little bit. Turns out he was wrong. You people never did.

>>156375126
Oh, here comes the toukatard, ignored and reported
We arent even talking about touka and kaneki in the first place fucking retard.
Get the fuck out with your ship wars.

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>>156368578
>What went wrong?
Several things, starting with not enough Touka.

>>156375126
>Implying ships are the main concern, if a concern at all

>>156368578
I actually enjoyed the series up until it got to the Rue Island chapters. Way too many things going on at the same time and there was quite a bit of bullshit too. The clown siege arc was a lack luster and the story didn't really progress aside from Furuta becoming the head of the CCG.

I enjoyed the last couple chapters though which were more dialogue heavy and focused on the relations between the characters. Something we rarely got ever since part1.

Now it looks like we're going more into the romance stuff with Mutsuki and Touka fighting over Kaneki which I don't really look forward to but I guess the author had to address this eventually.

Overall I still enjoy the manga and look forward to reading it every week but yeah in terms of plot and art it can't really compare to the first part.

>>156373068
Ikore knew the chink who got arrested for piracy back when Mangapanda was under attack for piracy. He got scared and shut the whole website down under

>"Haha. W-we're totally just getting way too invested in our personal lives, guys!"

Basically, he didn't want to get arrested too. So IS dissolved. Some of their new recruits fucked off to parts unknown and others were already part of MS.

Was it ever good, even?

>>156376694
Ah yeah I remember. Redhawk Scans also pussied out over this incident.

>>156372384
Togashi is overall very good at what he does. He can actually write, his female characters included. Ishida reduces them to walking cumdumpsters and it's only one of many glaring flaws this excuse of a sequel has. Saying he tries to mimick him is not only wrong but also insulting to Togashi's work.

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>>156376823
>>156372384
I have a tiny like really tiny bit of hope that he could maybe help out togashi with hunter when ghoul is finished but thats probably impossible.

I seriously believe Ishida had a meltdown after his dual interview with Togashi after he learned all the "symbolism" he took inspiration from Togashi's writing was all in his imagination. You can tell he was disappointed based on his tone too.

Directly coincides with the time the manga started going to shit. I doubt that was the only factor, but this one in particular is too blatant ignore.

>>156377128
>dual interview with Togashi
link

>>156368578
Fuckin timeskips which rushed the shit out of multiple subplots and interesting chats to get to the NEXT BIG FIGHT. Feels bad when you think there could've been 50+ more chapters inbetween what has been already been covered.

For me personally, it's Amon being fuckin ruined with irrelevancy, jobbing like a total bitch, and doing literally nothing at all as a half ghoul despite the hype that was surrounding him.

>autists getting triggered by obvious main pairing being confirmed
every time

why does this keep happening

>>156377170
http://chiggix.tumblr.com/post/145336753292/

Main part I was talking about:

>— When you were thinking about the storyboard, you read over “Hunter x Hunter” a lot, didn’t you?

>Ishi: I did. I marked all the pages Hisoka appears in, I tried to figure out a pattern in the suit marks in his lines…

>To: I’m just choosing those by intuition (laugh).

>Ishi: You don’t have any rules?

>To: Not really. Just that Hisoka uses a heart with people he likes. I don’t have any idea how diamond and clover are different.

>Ishi: When I analysed it, I thought “Diamond” was often used when Hisoka is being serious. “Clover” gets used more when he is thinking something over.

>To: Since I’m choosing with my intuition, it’s possible that I’m unconsciously creating those patterns.

>Ishi: Hisoka is a really mysterious character, so drawing him is really difficult. I was looking for hints in places like that.

>To: How much you can bring out his whimsy is very important. When I want him to do something the most is when he is least likely to move for me. It’s easier to just step back and not think about anything - then he will move on his own. It’s the same way right now in the main story - I just create the surroundings, environment, battle set-ups, and leave Hisoka’s movements up to Hisoka. Then his character will burst out for me.

>Ishi: You’re right, I can see him bursting out just with my imagination (laugh).

>To: But I kind of put on the brakes.

>Ishi: Oh, you did?

>To: Hisoka wanted to do more, but there were some places where I put on the brakes inside myself. I regret that a little bit.

>>156377128
That's an interesting thought. I also feel like at one point he gave in to editorial's 'suggestions'. It wouldn't be the first time it happened to a promising mangaka.

>>156377431
>>To: Hisoka wanted to do more, but there were some places where I put on the brakes inside myself. I regret that a little bit.
he's talking about exactly what I think he is isn't he?
so togashi to ishida is how most shounen mangaka see oda.

>>156377360
Read the fucking thread retard

>>156377952
He is obviously trying to derail the topic, please do not respond to him. This is actually a nice topic with actual discussion.

>[…] I’d already exhausted everything I could do with the Yu Yu Hakusho cast. My only options at that point were to either destroy the characters I’d created or just keep repeating the same thing over and over again until the readers got bored of it. I toyed with the idea of killing off the characters […], but of course Jump shot that idea down, and I simply didn’t have the stamina to keep doing the same thing over and over again, so I did what I’d always told myself I would do if I ever got a long-term series in Jump: end it by my own will.
History repeats itself. :re became YJ's cashcow, so Ishida got robbed of the luxury to end it whenever he wants. That's why the story became so bad it's unrecognizable from the first part. It's at Root A's levels of bad.

>>156378311
Nah.

You guys just don't agree with how the author plays with his characters and you want it your way.

Too bad.

>>156378547
Not him, but what would "our way" mean exactly? That is not even a valid assertion and a mere puerile deflection of the issue at hand. All everyone who cares about the content of this story wants is the same level of consistency and attention to detail found in TG and the first half :re.

But if you have to make pointless comments like this, it is fairly certain you know nothing of cohesive writing or simply have no real standards. You can like this direction all you want, but it nosedive in quality is undeniable.

>>156378731
Pretty sure >>156378547 is the underage Toukafag based on dumbass tone and lack of argument besides "lol too bad XD". Don't take him seriously.

>>156377952
>>156370015
go choke on a dick

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>>156378311
Yu yu hakusho could've continued as an action/mystery romcom SOL. Had so many couples but no closure. Kuwabara and Yukina, Hiei and Makuro, Koenma and Botan (only because Yusuke fell prey to first girl syndrome), Kurama and his mom. I could go on.

Some of the best parts of yyh were the ghost arcs which weren't powerleveling or anything. Just playing around with lolis, shotas, and Keiko. The black saga had powerleveling but it was far more interesting than the dark tourney (although I sure as hell didn't think that back when I was a kid) because of the cool unique abilities they introduced. As well as having some compelling backstory to the villains (mostly the kids that Sensui recruited and not the edgelord himself).
So yeah, some spirit shenanigan SOL would've worked fine. Sprinkle in some overarching plots that ends with a large confrontation with the different story threads being interwoven and you're good to go.

Also Kuwabara's sister was wasted potential.

>>156368578
I'm down to list it

-Amon is the biggest jobber throughout most of it.

-No one fucken died. Kirishitts should have died against Autisma. Dog and monkey didn't die against Autisma.

-Shachi died. He could have been fleshed out a bit more.

-Urie Jobbing to saiko. Wtf man nigga is buff for fucksake.

- Eto being able to do a press conference.No government agency with a deep state would let that bomb shell walk around with an ex super ghoul. Eto should have either gotten on that podeum and sliced by V or Kaneki should have killed her off.

-Mutsuki current development.

-Arima fight with kaneki was lame. I watch mexican novelas and that fight was a mexican novela.

-Hoiji and Tarata was gimped that could have been fleshed out a bit.

- Haise dieing and not melding with kaneki. Wtf man we wasted a fuck ton of chapters with this fuck and he's gone. He would add a lot of polarizing faces to the suicidal kaneki we have now.

-Amon and kaneki development wasted.

-Toaka is a waste of space. She has done nothing and should have been involved more often to make her comeback resonable at least.

-Tsukiyama had a whole arc to grow as a character but nah hes back, lame as ever, after his whole family of ghouls just died.

Mado and Jailbait reunion. That was a cop out.

- Ui and the tower of tartarous. I would have loved to see Ui lead and Kaneki play back up against Eto.

-Eto Jobbing all day every day.

>>156368578
I really enjoy Ishida making shippers and fujos sperg out like this. Goddamn hilarious.

>>156380468
>No one fucken died.
>Shachi died

>>156380468
>-Mutsuki current development.
Brown reverse trap stopped being tumblr fanservice and started being brown reverse trap, what's not to like?
>- Haise dieing and not melding with kaneki.
Didn't this happen? He cares about the Qs. He's not indifferent or anything.

I agree about Touka. She's the worst. Why the fuck was she (and the other coffee shop autists) just letting Kaneki get mind-raped into killing his friends and sitting back all like "well if he's happy haha"

>>156380468
>eto jobbing all day every day
Hope when she comes back finally stops being retarded and fights with her kagune, which isnt shit unlike the kakuja mecha.
I remember in the og tokyo ghoul that she was literally teleporting in the lab, but then she goes kakuja and is slower than my grandma

>>156380672
>Implying shachi died after fucking hairu can come back
If ishida delivers some eto kuzen plot shachi could perfectly appear there
I mean what ishida did in :re with shachi was literally take him back from oblivion, make arima rape him and say "rize take care" (nice care she took, she is a potato again) all that in one chapter
Its not 100% that he is alive like eto or hide, but I doubt he is dead

>>156380744

-I guess your right but were going to waste another 3 chapters on her right now.

-This nigga didn't remember going to the coffee shop and ogling Toukas ass. Haise would remember cause he was there for some pussy. Pussy is hard to forget when you've never had any. Kaneki and Haise disconnect shows even with mado. He doesn't even looked concerned with the Q's. That would be an interesting lead into the current chapters.

-Shachi was not killed he was retconed because if he had been in the subsequent chapters certain fights would have been dramatically shorter.

For example, Kirishit family + Shaichi crew + Banjo niggas is a way more compelling force into cochela. He would have also developed with ayato.

-If he doesn't die then it looks even worse because it ruins Arima's Character. 2 birds with one stone if Shachi comes back.


Shachi had info on V elaborating on that would have also been another way to approach insert him into the current mix.

>>156381645
Kaneki is like 4 different people now tho. His brain is like MC Escher drawing.
>Pre-torture shounen protag-kun
>Traumatized crazy nigger that the shounen-kun was a mask for
>Post-torture edgelord
>Haise (a guy created by even more torture)

So now you have this weird hodgepodge whose actions never make sense because he's switching between edgelord and shounen-kun too quickly. Edgelord goes around edging it up, and shounen-kun spits out his coffee when a pretty girl asks about his wee wee

Somehow this effects his hair too but it stopped making sense after it went white the first time from pain/fear.

>>156382234


Ishida should just be honest. I use the hair for symbolism.

4 faggots 1 body that regenerates.

Haise should have gained an edge instead of edge fag coming back. It would have been a more interesting feel to it.

Edge fag failed in the beginning so This Haise picks up slack. He cracks and edge mixes up in his butthole. Then Haise gets speedball of edge and some shitty puns.

It would continue the rebirth story instead of going back to edge.

>>156382234

>Kaneki is like 4 different people now tho
>Haise (a guy created by even more torture)

Just started reading tokyo ghoul re and I guess this is going to be a big reveal? Why does the author like to shit on this guy all the time?

>>156368578
>get constant fights with no breaks
>wahhh where are my character interactions
>Finally get characters talking to each other and development chapter after chapter
>wahh this is too boring!

Fuck you

>>156383456
Execution is what's really important and the way Ishida's been executing his story is terrible. Even the dialogues became laughable. It's the kind of shit you see in a mediocore WSJ battle shounen that gets canned after 20 chapters,

Why does it seem like the world revolves around Tokyo in tg? They always talk on a world scale but never set foot out of Tokyo or contact anyone out of tokyo, I bet nowhere else in the world knows or gives a shit about what's going on here.
>kaneki defeats arima and becomes the strongest ghoul in Tokyo
>congratulations you are now the strongest in the world

>>156376823
>Ishida reduces them to walking cumdumpsters

>Hinami saves Haise from Takizawa
>Eto awakens Kaneki from Haise
>Matsumae had one of the best fights
>Three Blade Miza kicked ass during the awful Rue Island arc
>Kurona kicked ass (after she got destroyed by Susuya Squad)

>>156383588
care to elaborate

>>156383683
Ill give you hinami, but how did miza kick ass? She and her clan got fucked up and chased off by suzuya, and then she proceeded to get fucked up by hanbee. And kurona beat hanbee who's one step away from being a mook, her only real purpose on the island was to make Suzuya look good as he thrashed her after saving his subordinate. As for eto she's only there when ishida wants to prove how strong someone is, like arima and when kaneki got his memories back and furuta's first fight when he tried. So then it can be like look how strong they are they defeated an sss rated ghoul!

>>156383713
I respectfully decline.

>>156383654
Because it's a comic meant for nips. Why would anything important happen to an island with limited resources if it wasn't for the reader base?

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>>156383713
Are you one of those special kind of retards who think symbolism, literary references and foreshadowing are the only things that make a good story? Or are you a buttblasted Toukafag that tries to save face?
Symbolism and foreshadowing are present in
many works and it's not unique and genius, but I shouldn't expect more from a underage who only read Naruto and TG in his entire life and doesn't know how an actual book looks like. Strip Tokyo Ghoul from your muh symbolism that you and retarded tumblrinas fap to every night and you'll get a fucking abomination. This shit is not the most important thing in writing a story, Ishida is just too obsessed with it and doesn't pay attention to other things he's fucking terrible at. Interactions that make interesting dynamics, this is important. Giving time to those characters. Giving fucking time to explore certain subplots more, not rushing through shit like he does. Creativity instead of overused shounen tropes. They worked perfectly well in the prequel, because they were well executed, now it's just one huge shitfest. More world building, less retarded fights used as climaxes to arcs. Less muh 'shocking plot twists' happenining every few chapters, because it's dull, cheap and kills all excitement, not to mention story becomes a mess. And where the fuck is originality in this sequel?
People like you can't fucking see what's wrong with this garbage manga, because you're as obsessed with muh parallers as Ishida himself. You can't see how, because of this, he ruined his own story that had potential to become one of the most memorable ones in industry.

>>156383654
>Why does it seem like the world revolves around Tokyo in tg? They always talk on a world scale but never set foot out of Tokyo or contact anyone out of tokyo
Shit writing.

>>156384121
That's how it works. Like how the world revolves around Metropolis in Superman.

>>156383654
Goat are at most a local city gang and they're talking about all this world changing shit and kaneki being the king, its fucking embarrassing to even read. Same goes for furuta, he thinks killing all ghouls in Tokyo will mean the end of all ghouls when at most he's like a city's police commissioner.

reminder tokyo ghoul is a metaphor for transgenderism

>>156384355
>it happens in capeshit too
And?

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>>156383683
>hinami proceeds to get captured and wait for oniichan to rescue her
>is an ungrateful little shit about it
>despite letting him rot and be mindbroken by their enemies for the last few years

>>156384405
That's how narratives work? Bad ones usually albeit.

>>156384355
Tfw ishida tries so hard with all this pseudo bullshit but it still isn't any better written than superman.

>>156384466
Have you never read a book that portrays a local conflict as a local conflict, rather than some inexplicably world-shaking event?

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>>156370015
You really don't know where it came from? Ishida has been building it up since part 1.

>>156376694
Imagine sitting in jail
>What you in fo' nigga?
>...
>Scanlating manga...
>It's where you take a Japanese comic book page, clean and edit it, translate it, and then type the words back on to it and then upload it onto a website where a bunch of sweaty nerds can read it.
>Fo' real? I skullfucked a nun.

>>156384653
>Have you never read a book
>>>/lit/

>>156369163
Mutsuki was my favorite until these last few chapters

>>156369205
>We went from "I like you boss" to "If i don't fuck your corpse I might die of thirst" in what? 30 chapters?
She was always in love with him, I thought it was kinda obvious while reading the manga, it's even more obvious going back and reading it again. That said, I'm kinda dissapointed they turned her into a yandere, hopefully Ishida will do something iinteresting with it but I doubt it.

It sucks that ishida died.

>>156370015
>Are we gonna have Kaneki end up with Tsukimya
> Or best, make himend up with Mutskiso
I would be okay with any of these, I would even prefer it.

>Touka will never take your virginity & share a meal of human flesh with you.

>>156370015
You're not fooling anyone you cancerous fujo scum.

>>156384654
There was definite buildup, but Ishida should never shelved Touka like that, especially in :re. I mean, it was understandable that Kaneki left her behind because of her dream of assimilating into the human world, but they should had build on her character in :re other than the mysterious pretty wise girl. That's why it's unsatisfying if they get together now.

>>156385887
Yeah that was one of ishidas biggest mistskes, he had no idea how to handle her character and he offscreened her character development.

>>156370015
>Are we gonna have Kaneki end up with Tsukimya just to BTFO Kaneki/Touka shippers
Ishida is Kishimoto 2.0, so it won't happen.

>>156368578
There's lots of reasons but in my opinion one of the biggest is character plot armor. There isn't any danger (at least until the end) for the main cast and everyone knows it.

Also, character power levels and the powers itself. Some ghouls literally have Bleach bullshit now. :re and TG might as well be completely different series.

>>156380468
>Amon is the biggest jobber throughout most of it
Yrah, Ishida ruined Amon's potential. He could be a great ally for Kaneki that formed a human and artificial half ghoul organization to fight V. But nope, Amon's main purpose is to fuck Akira.
>Urie Jobbing to saiko.
That was just shonen kind of bullshit. Even if someone has the natural talent to do something, she/he isn't going to get real experience from thin air to surpass a veteran.
>Arima fight with kaneki was lame.
That fight was meme tier.
A: Kaneki, kill me or I kill you.
K: B-but you are my papa.
A: What a shitty son, fuck this I am going to off myself.

>>156383654
Because Ishida can't into world building. Remember when people acted as if ghouls were a myth, but CCG has existed since the 1930-40~, the news talk about fucking ghouls.

>>156384654
Only for Touka's side and mostly because of her Electra complex. Even in that fucking page she is referring to Arata and Ayato.

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>>156385979
Look how cute this nigger used to be. Now she comes across like a well-traveled 35ish christmas cake onee or something.

>>156370015
>2010 + 7
>not knowing how nipponese romance works

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I bet you thought Asuka would win Kimi no Iru Machi too right?

>>156384103
>Interactions that make interesting dynamics, this is important. Giving time to those characters

The last 5 chapters have been nothing but seeing the main characters in Kaneki's crew interact with each other and coping with the reality that their world is being lead by a mad man. Past humans (Amon and Akira) are learning to accept ghouls as something other than monsters.

Hell, the fact that Kaneki finally has a clear goal in mind like the unification of ghouls and humans shows that he's not just a puppet. His simple reasoning for his goal being because everyone that he loves and is currently alive are ghouls so he fights for their sake although he was originally human. It's selfish but very genuine of his character and it's nice to see self awareness in a manga, he feels human just like Amon.

We even see more of Yuuta's personality a few chapters ago and tells that ghoul priest on why he likes to shapeshift his face and be part of the moment in someone else's life.

All of this has happened after the shitty mess that was Rue Island and I appreciate it.

You are just exaggerating because you grew disillusioned. I'm still keeping up with it and it's still enjoyable, for now.

>>156389217
Was that the short hair girl?

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>>156389342
One of them.

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>>156389230
>The last 5 chapters have been nothing but seeing the main characters in Kaneki's crew interact with each other and coping with the reality that their world is being lead by a mad man.
In the worst possible way.
>I'm still keeping up with it and it's still enjoyable
Delusionalfag, let me tell you this AGAIN. If you want to suck Ishida's dick even when the manga went to trash
F U C K O F F
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>>156368578
>What went wrong ?
nothing, you guys just wanna shitpost and decided to do it here.

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>>156389764
I wonder who is behind this post.

>>156389764
Then why did they replace the narration boxes with weird overlays of broody poetry?

>>156389744
Ishida could redeem this if Kaneki dicks Touka and Mitsuki and then moves to the Swiss Alps to retire because enough of this shit.

>>156389993

In chapter 58 of tokyo ghoul re here, and I like how it turned out. Was getting tired of Haise, anyone mind spoiling me the end?

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>>156390056
Everything you expect to happen, happens. And everything you expect not to happen, doesn't happen. You could seriously skip to the current chapter from the chapter Haise gets disappeared and you'd only miss some character reshuffling.

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>>156390130

Is there a worse cliche than the moral superior establishment being corrupt and the good guy misunderstood rebels?

>>156390495
The adults being corrupt and the kids being the good guys.

>>156390056
I remember the time around chapter 58, fun times. Just to let you know it all goes down hill literally from chapter 58, any mystery or larger plot turns out to be absolute crap.

>>156390556
I thought it started going downhill after Mitsuki's undercover sex slave auction arc.
The battle went on for too long and I couldn't even understand who people were (because they all had their monster transformations activated or wearing masks or some shit) or where their loyalties lay anymore.

>>156368578

>be kaneki
>beta
>3 love interests

>eto: dominatrix
>touka: dominatrix
>mutsuki: dominatrix

wow kaneki's got a lot of options

>>156390804
Did you binge it? Because following week to week i didn't have any issues with thst. but that arc was pretty weak, not to mention ishidas art slipped big time that arc. But there was still a feeling of mystery and anticipation, now with the mysteries revealed its only a sense of "that's it?".

>>156391127
>hinami: imouto-turned-dominatrix

Well at least there's that chubby hikkimori girl

>>156368578
my biggest issue was how much of a clusterfuck it was becoming, some chapters were just way too confusing

Give it to me straight, doc: What are the chances of Kaneki somehow ending with Rize?

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>>156392739
Less than zero.

>>156392739
I think is
Kaneki dying: 80%
Kaneki with nips cumdump: 15%
Kaneki with rize/eto: 4%
Kaneki with yandere reverse trap: 1%

>>156370015
>People unironically admits to read Bleach
I'd feel embarrased if I were you desu.

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>>156369871
>>156369944
>>156372432
Did you guys just block out her back story and the clear surgery scars on her chest? Or maybe you're just retarded and can't help it.
Either way don't post again.

>>156393151
>he thinks the scars are because chest surgery
Kek

it was never good. people just wanted to be subdomain and detached from mainstream so they pretend to like bc it wasnt naruto or bleach. that simple

>>156368578
also cuz its just a revamp no originality or style its just copypasta instamanga

>>156393151
Embarrassing

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>>156369277
>>156368578
he became too full of himself. the success went over his head. he thought people'd just eat up whatever he made, that's why he just made a completely new cast in :re. it was a dumb idea.

he completely broke from the old series and recreated everything because he thought he was some kind of fucking genius.
also he probably spends too much time on color illustrations.

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>>156393151
>baiting by pretending to be a tumblr troglodyte
>uses "her"

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>>156394341
And his "success" was just a moderately popular shounen serial that had little besides art style progression.

He's like if the SnK guy started getting all deep and thought he was a literary genius.

>>156394524
he got an anime. that's around where things changed.
i wonder if he's relatively young or something. this is just arrogance at work.

>>156394557
He's friends with ONE, who's 30, so he's probably around that age. Besides there're rumors of him being really young when the TG serialization started

>>156394524
This is so true, he thinks it got popular because it was "deep" but that's just not true. And now he tries to go all out with that kind of thing like poems and garbage like that. And you can tell thst ishida spent far too much time in trying to make his characters "deep" (which only resulted in all characters saying muh emptiness) which made the overall plot suffer greatly.

>>156394524
I think besides the drawing, Isayama right now is a better author than Ishida, before the anime ishida was better, but then Ishida stopped caring while in SnK story didnt became nips ship pandering. Isayama likes Historia Ymir and Armin and doesnt change the writting because levi and mikasa are more popular
Maybe its because monthly manga doesnt receive that much pressure and influence as weekly ones from the editor

I just want ishida to end the manga the way he wants, if he wants to end the manga with kaneki and eto dying like he foreshadowed years ago I dont want it to end with kaneki happy and married to nips waifu.
Also, no one wants to know what tokyo ghoul original script was? Because I am sure it got changed thanks to editor.
I bet when anteiku arc ended it was meant to have 70/100 more chapters and end, but editors had the idea of :re

>>156394820
You do know that isayama severely changed the ending from a tragedy because it got popular right? While I agree with what you're saying you're wrong about snk

>>156394820
Also, no one wants to know what tokyo ghoul original script was?
It's not like we'll be able to learn it so questions like these are pointless

>>156394880
What he wanted to do wasnt a tragedy, it was a genocide, kill literally every character in the manga
Also in snk characters still die
In tg we have who
From anteiku only yoshimura is imprisoned and even he isnt dead.
From aogiri tatara and noro died, the end, also hakatori got forgotten by ishida.
Arima died, but after hairu shit I am scared he will get revived, and zombie shirazu, gagi and guge probably will happen.
Ah, forgot about it, every washuu died without doing anything.

>>156394880
That just proves he doesn't think he's 2deep4me. Ishida turned every chapter into a tragedy because wow so edgy and broody wow this is art.

>>156394983
I dont know about arima, but shirazu is coming back for sure

>>156394880
Not him but Isayama wanted to do an akame ga kill, one thing is "nobody dies except washuu shit and tatara noro karren and torso" and another thing is killing everyone for the lulz.

>>156395009
He and all dead characters will return as the final boss - The TOKYO GHOUL. A giant stitched together abomination, Hide is its mater.

>>156394820
>YHA
Shipperfag pls
>kaneki happy and married to nips waifu.
Kaneki needs to fall in love to be able to expierence a new kind of pain.

>>156394880
Why are you talking about an endig that hasn't happened yet? Those are just your conjectures.

>>156395089
He admitted it in an interview, he said he thought the ending was irresponsible so he changed it.

>>156395057
>YHA
Those are isayama favourites, not even mine, I like BRA more
>kaneki needs to fall in love to be able to experience a new kind of pain
Are you implying touka dying, because I remember you that ishida didnt had the balls to kill off tsukiyama hinami and yomo after putting one trillion deathflags on their characters, and revived koma and irimi, which apport nothing to the story

>>156395108
Yomo not dying in cochlea arc was a fucking mistake, I think he will go out fighting uta to pleasure the nips

>>156395108
Yeah Toukas not dying, but she will be in danger which is the only thing these "death flags" will end up being. And then kaneki will probably save her

>>156395108
Touka many not die but they're going to have a child die in the womb so that's gonna be some new tragedy for him.

>>156395153
>kaneki having a child and him dying.
Thats tumblr/reddit overanalyzing an edgy poem, its not gonna happen

>>156395108
>Those are isayama favourites
JY
>ishida didn't had the balls to kill off tsukiyama hinami and yomo
He'll have to grow some. All characters in TG should be instrumental for kaneki so called "tragedy".

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>>156395207
Idk about what tumblr and Reddit are saying but it seems pretty clear, first this picture and then the poem which said stuff like her womb smelled burnt and the child that should be born died. I mean it could not happen but come on how is that over analysing, it couldn't be a more obvious conclusion to come to when seeing these things.

>>156395108
Isayama has already confirmed in an interview that jean is his favorite. If you want to see proof I don't feel like it, but you could always go to the snk thread and I'm sure someone there would link it for you.

>>156395057
What kind of pain? Losing someone he loves? That definitely won't happen because deathflags mean nothing in this series. In part1 all the characters who died were plot devices for someone else's development. Characters who were around since part1 and died in :re were barely relevant to the story at all.

Torso was a plot device for Mutsuki and Ishida even brought Koma and Irimi back which was completely unnecessary. Now he's about to bring Hairu, Shirazu and possibly even Arima back from the dead.

That leaves Karren's death as the only death in the manga that truly felt kinda impactful since she was quite relevant throughout :re and didn't die a plot device. Yet Ishida still disappoints by making Tsukiyama brush it off as if it never happened.

If Ishida really has the balls to kill characters of the main cast then it'll only be somewhere around the ending but even this is highly doubtful.

>>156395430
The thing is that this arc and maybe part of next one looks like :re raid, so if he wants to kill :re casts the best moment is now, because I doubt :re will even be relevant when eto/scarecrow V arc happens

>>156395482
:re raid probably won't even happen at this point because they're about to abandon the shop.

>>156395482
I wouldn't be surprised if eto died and will come back with kanous experiment like hairu, this has really opened such a shitty pandoras box.

>>156395611
Nah, eto definitely didnt died, even nips said that volume 9 has arima status labelled as dead while eto status doesnt say anything
Hairu was labelled as dead and got literally revived

>>156394557
>>156394680
He turned 31 last december.

>>156395645
I'm just afraid its gonna be some shit like she's in a tube

>>156395611
>>156395611
Eto didnt died so she doesnt need to get revived, I can still see like this anon said >>156395715 her being in furuta rape dungeon because even if that makes 0 sense, amon was there after all.
The thing I am scared is he fucking reviving arima to pander the nips

to be honest, it feels like there have been editorial reversals interfering with tokyo ghoul
what the fuck was the whole point of that amon shit on the island

>>156395772
>Furuta revives Arima
>Kaneki has to fight him again
>can't kill him this time either
>Kaneki gets exposed as a fraud

or

>Kaneki makes an appearance to expose Furuta's lie about the Oggai having captured him
>Furuta responds with publicly broadcasting camera footage from the Cochlea break, showing that Kaneki didn't kill Arima

>>156395834
>what the fuck was the whole point of that amon shit on the island
Unnecessarily drawn out set up for future arcs.

>Seidowl encounters Donato
>Donato recognizes the cross pineapple is carrying
>???
>profit

>>156394341
>he became too full of himself. the success went over his head. he thought people'd just eat up whatever he made, that's why he just made a completely new cast in :re. it was a dumb idea.
>he completely broke from the old series and recreated everything because he thought he was some kind of fucking genius.
Splitting the story was obviously planned from the beginning.
There was more than enough foreshadowing for :re, also Ishida likes duality.
Could've executed the story better though.

>also he probably spends too much time on color illustrations.
While I used to appreciate that a lot, now I just wish he'd focus more on improving his artstyle.
The effects of taking on so many side projects have been showing for the past year.

>>156396140
i think it actually would've been executed better if it was planned from the beginning.
he pretty much abandoned tokyo ghoul and reassembled the entire setting, even together with the mc. and from there he just kept throwing random characters at us to make up for the lack of a cast. and he never built them up the same way he did with the old cast.
it's just all too rushed.

>>156396535
>i think it actually would've been executed better if it was planned from the beginning.
It was most certainly planned from the beginning, but, as you said, he messed up with the execution, that's all.

We need a 48 hour limit on the threads after a chapter drops this thread is fucking cancer.

>Hurr tg is trash because ishida made a sequel that doesn't fit exactly what I want and here's my paragraph long subjective opinion on it.

Fucking off yourselves.

>>156396589
This thread is by far better than any spoiler thread in months, now fuck off.

Why did :re fo full :retard?
Ishida doesn't actually give a fuck anymore about his series right?

>>156396648
I just ignore and report these guys
Same with toukatards

>>156396648
What spoiler threads? You mean the fake spoiler thread from 4 days ago? No fucking shit Sherlock I didn't say anything about spoiler threads. Re-read my post and put your head in a car door you cockmongling neanderthal.

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Did Twitter ruined Ishida?

>>156396669
No, it just differs from your expectations.

>>156396716
What are you insinuating? He has twitter since 2010.

>>156396721
It's Ishida himself who has set high expectations and didn't live up to them. Nobody would have complained about :re being shit if Tokio Ghoul was shit to begin with.

>>156396868
Tokyo*

>>156396868
>It's Ishida himself who has set high expectations and didn't live up to them.
True.
Nonetheless people are always overexaggerating with their negative reactions, just because their retarded ships and headcanons don't come true.

>>156396984
Honestly I think people would have a far higher opinion of the series if everyone binged it. Re doesn't always come off well week to week.

>>156397052
Was thinking that as well.

>>156396868
But you can read TG to the end and put it down, no one's forcing you to read RE if you don't like it. Sure TG didn't end with Kaneki dying, but the only reason we know that is because of RE. If TG wasn't a victim of it's own success it would've ended there how Ishida originally intended. I wouldn't blame him so much as it's own popularity.

>>156397167
>it would've ended there how Ishida originally intended
>originally intended
>implying

>>156397195
Clearly by chapter 140something he knew it was too popular to end it how he originally wanted. He admitted as much more than once.

>>156396984
not my fault if :re is like a bad fanfiction version of TG, just look at the last chapter.
and furuta is about the worst character in existence. it cannot POSSIBLY get any worse than him.

>>156397223
>Clearly by chapter 140something he knew it was too popular to end it how he originally wanted.
What are you talking about? There were a lot of questions and narrative threads raised prior to chapter 140, that couldn't have been answered and resolved within the few chapter of the "ending he originally wanted to do".

>He admitted as much more than once.
Now you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

>>156397223
You can't just immediatly plan a whole sequel ahead if you're just 3 chapters away from ending your series.

Also 1000/7 roughly makes 143. Ishida definitely planned to end part1 at this specific chapter and go over to a sequel for quite a long time.

>>156397223
>He admitted as much more than once.
Wew, there are many things you can see in tg pointing to kaneki becoming the oek and other hints hinting to an obvious pt2. Like the ghoul amon art in robes, kaneki saying how he was forced into the role of a play when he was a kid just like how he is forced into the role of oek and how he had aogiri's symbol on him in that play. Also how eto said kaneki could be a ray of light after meeting him. Takizawa was also foreshadowed to become a ghoul because he was shown with the number 15 the devil tarot, and not to be a tarot fag but it proves ishida always intended for a pt 2.

>>156397290
And chapter 72 was titled Halfway, so it was planned for a long time.

>>156397279
By then he had already re-written a large portion of it. I'm not saying he decided that at the end, I'm saying it's obvious it was written that way intentionally by then.

haven't read new chapters for months because Eto ded

>>156397402
She's clearly alive but its probably still gonna be some time till she comes back.

>>156397402
She'll come back eventually.

>>156397290
Also chapter 72 was called halfway.
If :re started with bone then it should have still like... 134 chapters left?
But It feels like too much. But I actually dont mind if he wastes his time and makes his arcs longer, but he has to do things right or it will be a mess like :re since cochlea/rue arc.
If before eto arc he uses 15 or so chapters with ukina backstory and 24 ward info, and if he explains the origin of ghouls and rc cells, then I will actually be pretty happy

>>156397437
I remember something about bone being some sort of mistranslation or mistake or something but idk

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>>156372842
This. I loved it when there were still so many different expectations of what was to come, and analysing every symbol that appeared was fun, but there's no point to it anymore, because the symbolism is kind of just there for the sake of being there.

Also a general lack of a sense of direction, which I feel is probably caused by the shit ton of characters in the roster, as well as the many characters that seem to come back to life for the fucking sake of it.

Everything I enjoy just gradually dwindles to a pile of shit

>>156397437
We still have a lot of stuff to cover so I wouldn't be surprised if this series ends at chapter 206.

>>156397525
206 sounds reasonable.

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>>156377431
There's the fucking problem. I feel like Ishida is the type of author that does really well when he plans things out a lot - the nature of his plot and the general twists is kind of intricate, unlike shonen that can go on forever and give time to cover up plot holes.

I just feel like ishida should've taken far more time between tg and re to plan things out.

>>156397308
Don't forget that the torture Kaneki receives at the hands of Yamori is not only a wonderful summary of Kaneki's character, but also foreshadowed Kaneki's future role as the OEK.
Yamori's torture room was representing the world trapped within a birdcage and a chess board as the floor.
Kaneki was put in the middle of the room on a throne, against his own volition. He was manipulated by Yamori's lie, that he would let everyone else go if only Kaneki became his underling. Similarly Arima would only let Touka and co. get away in Cochlea if Kaneki continued to fight and then give into Arima's and Eto's manipulation, which in a sense led to Kaneki becoming their underling.
The pointless struggle of enduring Yamori's torture is represantive of Kaneki's fight for the coexistence between humans and ghouls.
Just like his role as the OEK is tying Kaneki down so that he won't kill himself, Yamori was also keeping him alive in his role as his play thing.
Kaneki even shouts at Yamori, to just kill him already.
Once Kaneki was faced with a vital decision of saving someone dear to him he, in his selfishness, decides to make it about himself and not choose. Similarly, Kaneki's first action as OEK was to selfishly save Akira by sacrificing the resources of Goat. Once he encountered Amon in the lab he couldn't choose either Akira or Amon and attempted to save them both.
Probably missed something, but I am to tired now to continue.

>>156397525
>>156397559
Would fit with the fool's journey, we have still four arcs left including the current one.

>>156397881
I complain a lot but this is actually really good, I never realized some of these things.

>>156392971
What's the chance of Kaneki and Touka kissing in front of the moon at the end of a special canon movie all about how they get together?

>>156397969
Low because instead of kissing they will go straight to the fucking.

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So what will Kaneki do now that he knows Touka likes him?

>>156398592
Go choose crazy brown reverse trap that is devoted to her dick instead

>>156398592
fucks it all up

>>156398641
It seems he wants to keep her close from now on so there's that.

But yeah considering he's a total beta he'll probably still manage to fuck it up somehow.

I'm still confused as to how Rize got re-captured by the worst antagonist in the history of manga.

>>156399066
She was protected by Shachi when Arima was sent after him by V. Meaning she has been their prisoner for almost 2 years now.