Wasn't this a little too much? His punishment seemed way

>>156355879
he knew the rules and broke them anyway. besides, truth only returned him to where he belonged in the first place.

>>156355879
>Father did nothing wrong
All these souls stored inside Hohenheim disagreed.

>>156355879
He opposed God. There's really not a higher sin.

>>156357488
Got it.

>>156355879
what was this again

>>156358072
fma

>>156358083
oh yes definitely

>>156355879
Yeah nah, he was a cunt.

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>>156355879

His punishment needed to be more severe

>>156355879
>Killed an entire kingdom's worth of population
Sure.

>>156358377
They weren't really dead tbf

>>156355879
he fucked with the wrong people, thats it
if he went on about his business and never fucking bothered anyone no one would give a shit

>>156358652
No, they were only doomed to eternally suffer in an incorporeal state with the only release being slowly consumed as energy to bottle up God.

So yeah, not a fun time.

>>156359067
Yeah
but they weren't dead

>>156355879
So Truth is the strongest character in the series right?

>>156359140
Going to hell is the same as dead.

>>156357488
Bingo.

To add the blatant Judeo-Christian symbolism, Father (Dwarf in the Flask) was Lucifer: the being who owed God for his very being, but wished to supercede Him. He believed that perfection meant becoming God by transcending his own natural limitations (which was heretical), rather than perfecting himself within the constraints of his nature.

To put it another way, there's a big difference between a perfect creature and a perfect being. A perfect creature is one that is exactly what it was created to be. A perfect being is God. All beings that proceed from God are creatures in that they are created, so their perfection comes in the form of perfecting their natures. Father wanted more than that. He wanted to transcend his nature and become more than a perfect creature; he wanted to be a perfect being. But only God can be perfect in that sense, so when a creature like Father tried to contain "God", i.e. perfection, he failed spectacularly. He was always doomed to fail.

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>>156357488
wow, i must not remember this show at all. must be time to rewatch FMA and Brotherhood all in a week.

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>>156359152
To be fair, when Father absorbed "God" he must have been more powerful than the Truth, and then he became even more powerful on top of that.

Overall, at one point Father must have had enough energy to accomplish basically any feat, even nuclear fusion. He MIGHT have been stronger than God, but maybe not as all-knowing.

>>156357488
Opposing humanity.

>>156359358
He had pseudo-omnipotence. That was the point of that entire scene. He could manipulate nature as much as he wanted, but he couldn't actually create anything new. Everything he "made" was just the regurgitation of something old. He was a false god, and was delusional in thinking himself divine.

>>156359237
You wish
t. God

>>156359371
HFY fags need to fuck off forever, I have literally never seen a good HFY, it's always some glorifying hogwash that isn't even well written.
Even without being religious, the opposition of God or gods is a far greater sin than the opposition of humanity from a philosophical / theological point of view because
1. humans don't have a coherent stance, they're not a hivemind
2. capital-G god is Good by definition, aka opposing Him means you're Evil, by definition. All things Evil are just things God doesn't like.

>>156359358
It's more about power vs. perfection.
God!Father was super powerful, but he wasn't actually perfect, nor divine. It's the old question of "is someone who has the power of a god actually a god", and in this setting the answer is apparently no.

>>156359449
A hivemind is not needed for a coherent stance. All nations in global relation are in mind for the livelihood of the people of those individual nations.

>>156359358
I'm not as sure. If the world is a gate that he opened to absorb all the knowledge within, sure, he becomes functionally omnipotent (but not quite). But if a planet is a living organism and has a gate, doesn't that mean the sun is too, and thus the solar system, and then the galaxy, and so on up the chain?

He absorbed an unbelievable amount of knowledge and power, but the entire universe? I don't know about that.

More FMA adventures never

just cap me senpai

>>156355879
he deserved it

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>>156361097
You're using that meme wrong.

>>156361097
That's not how tipping works

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>>156359715
Just finished rewatching Brotherhood.
I feel truly empty.

>>156359267
I'm sure it is the meta commentary she intended, but it was so convoluted nobody in their right mind would ever gather it.

>>156359358
This is the exact moment I dropped the manga and disavowed myself of everything to do with Hiromu Arakawa. It was the final straw of a long series that had been racking up since the "Call Envy on the phone and then blow him up until he dies but wait Marco has pity for him so we'll let this serial killer who just killed Hughes get off this one time" chapter.

>>156359643
This. Father opened the planet's gateway. Truth is the amalgamation of everything. "All is one and One is All". Father only got a fragment of that power.

Guys, who wants more filler movies about adventures and missions the elric brothers had while edward was an state alchemist?

>>156356016
Truth should have built a wall instead of a door.

>Deported

>>156359152

Truth isn't a character as much as the embodiment of the laws of nature. Calling it God would be fair, but it doesn't seem to have a will besides enforcing the rules, you can't really pray to or bargain with Truth (either it doesn't have a will or it considers its purpose way higher than anything any creature can ask for).

>>156359715
But the author just announced a sequel manga, you dope.

>>156359449
>I have literally never seen a good HFY, it's always some glorifying hogwash that isn't even well written.

The only thing I liked about the HFY shit was that it tried to reclaim science fiction's old stance of the future being somewhat promising for humanity, but yeah it sucks.

>>156355879
Alphonse was the more interesting brother

>>156355879
Truth isnt punishing Father for what he did to ningen, he is punishing Father for trying to take his power away. The beginning of FMA makes it clear Truth doesnt give a flying fuck about humans.

>>156359267

I guess thats why I always liked lucifer more than god, god created lucifer fully knowing he would lust for power, and when lucifer tried to reach for that power god punished him for something that lucifer could not stop himself from doing, after all thats how god created him, the truth is the same, both god and truth hide themselves behind a mask of good will, but they are just bored kids playing with legos.

God punishing lucifer for the sin of pride is like punishing a bird for the sin of flying, you cannot blame a creature for following the desires of its own nature, and it that heart was created by god.....

>>156369621

lucifer's personality traits were exacerbated by his lack of modesty.

I refuse to believe that god is perfect as a perfect god would not make mistakes, which is clearly what Lucifer was, but you can't just lump all the blame on god and call it a day. Lucifer could have demonstrated humility and refused to do so, thus was cast down. Metatron, on the other hand, is the apex of humility.

>>156355879
His punishment must be more severe.

This show would've been better if Kimblee was the main villain.
I loved it, but last 10-20 episodes went full TTGL.

>>156370327
The issue is that for Christianity and other religions like it (I forget what the name of that specific group of religions) a lot hinges on God existing as a perfect being. If he is not then there is no reason to have faith in him or his greater plan, in fact you should probably hate him for allowing so many atrocities to occur.

>>156371220
Abrahamic.

>>156371280
Yeah that's it, thanks

>>156370327
Lucifer had actual free will thats why he defied God's script and God hated the idea of one of his own toys having a will of its own thats why he made this propaganda and lies about Lucifer being the one behind all evil in the world when that is God himself.

>>156371408
That's kind of the paradox of religion. God cannot be wholly good if he created that which is evil, but if evil is not a creation intended by him then he is not omnipotent and all powerful

>>156367906
What? No she hasn't.

>>156355879
Was it even a "punishment"?
I always assume after Father was defeated, he went back to his own kind's realm, basically his "natural stage". The reason it was a hell in father's eyes is because he had gain self-awareness aka "pride". Without self-awareness he would just be another non-sentient shadow blob and would be contented with being there. With self-awareness however he would basically become a trapped consciousness in vegetative body, like a person who got stroke and can only move his eyelids and nothing else. Truth's speech to him is just telling him that this hell is the consequence of Father's own action, as had he just stayed in the flask he probably be able to chill out in the mortal world for eternity.
Maybe I am a Buddhist but I prefer to view truth as a emotionless law of universe, rather than a zeus-like figure dishing out lightning bolt on a random guy trying usurp his power.

>>156371550
No, I think you've got it right. During the series, everyone was going on about being punished for human transmutation and whatnot, but Truth was basically just a machine that made the occasional sarcastic quip. Put stuff in, get stuff out, that's all that ever happened with Truth

>>156366675
I do!
No, really. I thought that stuff was fun.
A Devil's Nest gang OVA would be good.

>>156371642
The one thing I'm still confused about is how they made Roy do a human transmutation. The truth doesn't care, but how do you force someone to do a certain transmutation when that part is in their head?

>>156371764
Pride literally forced his hands I think? He seem to have a power to control people's body to some degree.

which chink toon is this?

>>156371857
Considering he was planning to survive by possessing Ed, I'm sure that's it

>>156371885
Bible black

>>156371885
Fullmetal Panic

>>156371885
Fullmetal Jacket

>>156359715
The story is finished, there's nothing more to add.

>>156372128
Alphonse still has travels and stuff in a completely new land and can use alchemy.

>>156361097
are you having a stroke?

>>156357488
This. FMA:B's themes were of the metaphysical nature of the universe created by the truth or God.
Father didn't like that.

>>156371408
Why was Lucifer so special he got Free Will if other angels don't have it

>>156372404
Free Will is just a concept made up by people who couldn't into logic, anyway

>>156371764
Pride used his stone to do it while controlling Roy's body.
Both Pride and Roy paid the toll for doing human transmutation.

>>156361097
With sin being an offense against ideologic (often religious) laws and morales and god being the highest instance in those, I don't see anything wrong with that statement >>156357488

Satan guide my cock !

>>156372653
Unironically he was punished not from defying God but for trying to steal his way into power by using Humans which he considering inferiors, instead of his do it by his own means and own power.
Which is why when Father questioned God, he responded with "You already know the answer" which is why Ed could take Alphonse's body back by using the door as a toll as he would be okay without Alchemy "because he has friends" to rely on and he no longer needs Alchemy.

>>156359715
No stupid cash grab sequels is one of the reasons FMA is neat, you should be glad not sad.

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>>156371057
>This show would've been better if Kimblee was the main villain.

You know what, I don't get the hateboner some people have for Father, but now that you've mentioned that I kinda agree.
He'd just need a more fleshed out motivation/means to turn into a more major threat and his charm could've made it an intensely entertaining conflict.

>>156373386
I feel like Kimblee was too difficult for Arakawa to handle, that's why she wrote him off for several chapters and when he reappearead he lost somewhat easily(I liked the moment though).

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>>156359715
More of these two.

>>156373547
Well, Kimblee walked a very fine line between being charmingly crazy and a cartoonishingly dumb bad guy, so it's understandable that she wouldn't want him to be a very focal point.

>>156373682
True that. He had his moments, and they were awesome, but too much more of that and you'd risk losing what made him so great. I think he had the perfect amount of screentime as is

>>156372404
Because Lucifer being an angel is just some puritan's fanfiction. The modern conception of Lucifer comes almost entirely from Paradise Lost. There is a single biblical mention of Lucifer, and its heavily implied that he was a human king that tried to compete with God.

>>156374219
no

>>156371220
This has been explained millions of times over. Just go to your nearest christian website (not protestant because 90 percent of those guys don't know shit) and look up the explanations.

>>156368850
More like he doesn't give a fuck about stopping divine justice.

>>156371408
>>156369621
Even if you think its weak theology I think somewhere in The Bible it says that free will and divine creation of your consciousness can exist at the same time but our bodies in our forms can't understand how.

>>156371220
He's perfect by definition. It literally isn't up for debate, it's like debating whether or not 1+1 = 2 or whether parallel lines meet in euclidean space. You can choose different definitions but then you're not talking about the same thing. A non-perfect God isn't even wrong, it's literally nonsensical, like a square circle or a living corpse. "God is Perfect" is a tautology, but one that isn't obvious to people who don't understand it.

>>156374927
Perfection is subjective

>>156375092
So is morality, but that's only after you get rid of by-definition morality and by-definition perfection. The original use of gods was to explain but often also to guide, and just flat up say "nope I'm better than you what I say is right". Humans don't get to question divinity by definition, it's not up for debate, and that's what made it potent. If God, Ahura Mazda, or Wodan decreed that adultery is wrong then it's wrong and your reasoning, accusations of hypocrisy, whatever, they don't matter. When you're dealing with the divine the answer literally is "Because I fucking say so".

>>156374927
Making a square circle is easy. Just redefine 'distance' as the maximum of the differences between the independent dimensional coordinates of two points. Ex, in 2D space points a, b with a=(x1,y1) y=(x2,y2), distance between a and b is max{|x1-x2|,|y1-y2|}. Bam, all circles are now square.

>>156375186
Well isn't that convenient

>>156375092
>Perfection is subjective
But if a perfect God existed then it wouldn't be subjective then now would it?

>>156375212
>redefine
There's that word.

>>156375237
There's a reason literally every society created a religion and I'm saying that as a christian.

Magi is going through the GOAT killing god arc right this second.

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>>156357488
t. pic related

>>156375212
>just redefine 2-dimensional distance to be another property entirely, one-dimensional distance
First of all that doesn't actually make circles square, but second of all you prove my point - we're not actually talking about the same thing anymore.

>>156375237
It is. I don't actually subscribe to it because fundamentally 'because I say so' gets just as easily refuted with 'nuh-uh', but that's how divinity works. Pretty basic stuff, it's a matter of priority. It's also the reason behind subjective morality, because if you reject some absolutely superior being like God saying "because I say so now shut the fuck up" then you're left with needing to define your own morality - which leads to subjective morality, because you aren't actually objectively right when compared to some other guy, and you CAN'T be objectively wrong because morality and values are by-definition things - which is why societies and communities as a whole used gods and faith and law and so on to just make people shut up and accept it so shit doesn't fall apart.

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>>156375186
Well my God says gods are all faggots

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>>156375457
My god is the DM.

Father lead a slaughter against hundreds of thousands of people over hundreds of years.

>>156375564
father has a much greater sin
he made lust a bitch that didn't suck people off as her preferred method of attack and killed based greed

>>156375620
yeah in contrary to all the other homunculus she really didn't fit the theme, she made other people feel lust but she wasn't a very lustful person at all

>>156375916
Probably because having her give a titjob while waterfalling before spearing someone wouldn't really work in a fight.

>>156375916
>she made other people feel lust
When?

>>156376044
could at least have made some kinky remarks

>>156376127
Every time I watched an episode with her in it.

>>156376127
(lust isn't just sexual attraction, sexual attraction is the most common usage for the worst lust)

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>>156376127
Every time she showed up

>>156376127
Havoc only liked her for her tits

a true human being

>>156369621
>legos

>>156375212

>making a square a circle is easy, just change the rules.
>jewing a family out of all their possessions illegally and getting no backblast from it is easy, just change the rules.

>>156376319

I don't remember JADF doing any dark magician girl pictures