Just how overrated is this exactly?
>It's another LOGH is overrated thread
Just watch the anime yourself and form your own opinion you mindless drone
Pretty good for an anime. Villains have the tendency to behave like juvenile sub-100 IQ kids to prop up the protagonists, like most anime, because an author cannot invent a character more complex than himself.
Decently, partly because it's aged super bad since it came out before technology sped up and they use floppy disks in the future, but also because you can see how things will go miles away.
The politics and takeaways are good but there's a few logic gaps (3D spacefights always in 2D) and there's a few ruts/repetition (lets take Iserlohn again)
not the best thing ever but worth the time
I really like it, but I think it's overrated in that you will get the most out of it if you have a fondness for dry politics/history stuff and don't mind the space battles being rather shallow
and just because it must be said in each LOGH thread, Oberstein did nothing wrong
>Poorly animated adaptation of a pew pew spaceship genre fiction made mostly from stolen ideas of western writers and teenager-tier politic
And the sad part is that it is indeed one of the best anime around.
The authors introduced and promptly forgot the one creative sci-fi solution (warping giant space stations into battle) in the entire show.
Also, the Earth subplot had no point yet it kills everybody cool in time. Such bullshit.
Depends on who you're talking to, it's hard to really say.
There are a lot of intellectually insecure faggots who liked it and feel the need to shill it because it makes them feel they're demonstrating how smart their anime palette is, and there's a lot of intellectually insecure faggots who DIDN'T like and feel the need to tear it down because they're afraid that not liking it makes them stupid, so they need it to be stupid so that it's okay not to like it.
Have you ever played chess with someone insecure as fuck? The kind of guy that will smugly tell you that he can show you some tricks when he wins, and will start stammering about how he was going easy on you when he loses?
It's that kind of person that is very loud with their opinions about this show, whether they like it or hate it.
Basically, it's hard to really say whether it's overrated or not. You'll just have to watch it.
At the very least, I can say that the creators were DEFINITELY trying to make it a high-brow classic, and it really shows.
a marine came home from ending monarchism in the Galaxy and went to to his favorite bar. he saw a moe azn commodore and tried to buy him a drink. "no thanks i'm straight" the azn qt said. the marine ripped off his shirt "are you still straight?" "not anymore but i have a wife" he replied. The marine pulled out his ax. "u think the friend zone scares me? i just got back from a war zone." Yang sent his wife a text message not to wait up and started kissing the marine and his ax. all the other patriots in the bar got up and started clapping and didn't stop until the marine and the qt3.14 azn commodore were OTP. repost if you believe love can blossom anywhere, even on a battlefield!!!
i didn't see it as a romance, i felt good for julian because all his hard work finally paid off and could finaly have peace and a cutie to spend time with. i saw the girl more of a reward than a person (yes that is sexist af but the whole anime is and it's beautiful)
When people treat it like it's the 2nd coming of Jesus within the confines of chinese cartoonery, you know you have a problem.
The show has it's flaws. Numerous, I should say.
>The beginning of actual fighting in the civil war arc
Hell, i loved that part, but if you don't like it then that just cant be helped.
Cant expect everyone to like everything.
Also, nice quads.
>Zu jeder Zeit, an jedem Ort, bleibt das Tun der Menschen das gleiche.
>(In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same)
A democratic republican lawyer professor and FPA veteran was teaching a Free Planets Alliance class on Yang Wen-Li, known rebel.
“Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Yang and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Reinhard von Müsel!”
At this moment, a visiting brave, patriotic, pro-monarchy Imperial Armed Forces admiral who had recaptured Iserlohn Fortress 15 times and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the Galactic Empire stood up and held up a bust of Arle Heinessen.
“What is the greatest known form of government?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Phezzanily and smugly replied “A republican democracy, as created by the Heinessen in your hands.”
“Wrong" said the admiral, as he crushed the bust into dust. "It’s been 500 years since Rudolf von Goldenbaum founded our Galactic Empire. If your system was worthwhile, as you say, then we wouldn't have defeated you so effortlessly in the Battle of Shiva.”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his frag and copy of the Riberty Berr. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal El Facil tears.
The students applauded and all registered Imperial Reconciliation that day and accepted baby Alexander as their lord and sovereign. An dog named “Paul von Oberstein” leaped into the admiral's arms, ate some chicken and did literally nothing wrong. The Imperial Pledge was read several times, and the Spirit of Siegfried himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the galaxy.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died in a Terraist attack and was tossed into Hel for all eternity while the legendary galactic heroes look down from Valhalla.
SIEG KAISER REINHARDO, HOFF KAISERIN HILDEGARDO
I'm a Yang fan, but holy shit was the FPA squad boring compared to the cast on the Imperial side
like there's the fat guy who does nothing except block a door for Yang with his giant body
He had a bit more shit to do in the gaiden series.
He was with Yang in exactly one location, played some chess with him, talked and then fought against a plot to get themselves killed.
After finally finishing it a month or so ago, I can honestly say it lived up the hype. For me, anyway.
It's prequel to the main series.
We get stuff like this in them...
>Reinhards first front line deployment and ice cold first kills
>Reinhard mutinying against an officer who wants to scuttle the ship they are on after it gets lost behind battle lines
>Kircheis getting mixed up in a crime mystery also pic related happens in this story arc
>Reinhard and Kircheis solve a murder case in imperial academy
>Reinhard commands a small fleet against alliance in 6th battle of iserlohn
>Reinhard commands a small fleet in the battle of Van Fleet star zone, Schencopp is brought in and melee combat is had on a desolate planet
>The 6th battleof Iserlohn with Reinhard commanding a small fleet
>Third battle of Tiamat with Reinhard kicking alliance ass again, also answers to the question of why aren't the ships moving more in order to dodge shots, Reinhard gets Brunhilde at the end of this episode
And then the second gaiden which is concentrated on Yang
>Yang telling his dad he wants to becomea historian, his dad dies and he inherits shit and farts so he joins the military school
>Yang is popular and he hates it
>Studies history about a dead admiral called Bruce Ashbey, space battles with older imperial and alliance ships is had in some old guys memories
>Yang gets sent to prison colony to babysit POWs
>Gets tangled in some shit and almost gets killed
>Murai arrives and investigates the shit out of the thing
>Yang returns to Heinessen, comes to conclusions about some shit he was investigating and that's it for this series
Oh yeah and Reinhard fights in a 18th century duel during his gaiden series.
And as i remember even more, he has to infiltrate alliance territory with a lone cruiser and capture a ship with a fleeing noble on board who is trying to hand over the directional zephyr particle generator to the alliance.
Not very, I think the real problem with it being rated so highly is the fact that LotGH is catered to a specific audience. Not everyone enjoys a good old fashioned grandiose Space Opera like LotGH. As much as I love the show, it's not everyone cup of tea and propping it up as the best anime around gives off the impression that everyone will enjoy watching it. People who go in expecting something other than a good old fashioned space opera are going to be disappointed. People who go in that don't like space opera tend to be even more disappointed.
Pretty much this. Just watch the opening of the show, it gives you a very good idea of what you're in for. If it looks interesting, you'll probably like the show, but if it looks boring, you'll probably hate it.
He was okay. I just wish he had gotten off his ass and actually made a name for himself at some point instead of just dicking around for 90% of the series. All you needed to do was put him in command of a handful of ships under Yang and have him do a really good job of it. Then all that nonsense about Julian becoming commander would've actually made a modicum of sense.
They should remake it with all of Reinhards Admirals being cute girls that fight victorys for his love and affection. Give Yang a harem too. You can't survive in these days without harems.
It's up there with GiTS as one of the driest animes I've ever watched.
It's hard to get emotionally invested when 90% of the dialogue is characters discussing political theory in a monotone voice. Kircheis was also such a Gary Stu and got so little screen time that I didn't give a shit when he died.
If the show had more feeling and emotion in it, it would have been GOAT.
Seriously though, what did he mean by this?
Mein Kaiser was into some freaky shit.
Watch Gaiden right this instant, you fucking imperialist
I'm glad he's dead.
I love this show and even i think it gets pretty dry at times.
Also, after reading first three books, i can say that so far the anime has been better than the original book.
Well the Kastrop rebellion was a bit more silly than in the book, so maybe they should have kept that one same as in the book.
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>a show is overrated because we compare it to all the shows that came out 30 years after it's release
>not judging the show strictly based on the time period it came out and how it compared to other anime at the time
Damn, i know i should quit memes, but they are just too good.
this is useful to ground someone's rating system with a realistic understanding of what an average show is but I dont see why we shouldnt compare shows from different 'time periods' or what sort of time period you're suggesting
it's pretty meh. the pseudo elitists and the pretentious plebs praise it and keep saying it's better than all the mediums reunited across all the time-space because it gives them that superior feeling while watching it with the classical musics playing in the background.
Probably the most overrated show of all time, those weebs who never read history thinks it's genius.
the plot conveniences and stupidities are everywhere in this shit of a show
>opponents 2dimensional at best and retarded as fuck
>mein kaiza and wenli asspulling everyone at each battle
The only good thing about it is Reuenthal, the best fleshed out, explored and developped character, the rest are plot armored gary stus
>When people treat it like it's the 2nd coming of Jesus within the confines of chinese cartoonery, you know you have a problem.
people say the same thing about evangelion, and i don't see any contrarian faggots tearing it down
>the dialogue is characters discussing political theory in a monotone voic
is this bait?
Anybody else wish that LoGH explored more political concepts than just republicanism and monarchism? It would have been neat to see a Karl Marx-esque character try and establish space socialism by promoting rebellion against the Empire, or pic related trying to establish a technocratic society.
When you have over a hundred full time episodes and end up with a cast that outside of 2 characters is completely underdeveloped then you know you have a problem. How anyone can say that the show isn't overrated I beyond me. Saying that something is overrated doesn't mean that you say that it's bad. LotGH is treated like the greatest thing ever when it has so many flaws for its second half that it's mind blowing that people even consider this to be great. It's almost like they are desperately trying to find a reason why they invested all that time. Not even gonna start on the fact that it has aged horribly. So to answer your question: it's imcredibly overrated but that doesn't make it bad or average. It's a great show, simply not even remotely close to what some people claim. Especially since it isn't smart at all, which seems to be one of the main selling points diehard fans bring up.
it's completely unknown & niche m8
posting best ending
It's far from being known in mainstream circles.
Far from that, actually. Not in terms of quality, but it's far from being well known and as vastly appreciated as CK.
Who's Jessica Edwards, Reuenthal, Mittermeyer, Poplan, Bucock, Kircheis, Oberstein, Julian, Schönkopf, Hildegard and various other characters, be it main or side, that I'm forgetting?
To pay the bill's advocate, characters like Poplan and Schenkopp and Dusty belong in a generic high school anime more than they belong in a serious military drama.
Look at this motherfucker right here and tell me he isn't a cringey chuuni.
>characters like Poplan and Schenkopp and Dusty belong in a generic high school anime more than they belong in a serious military drama.
How exactly? Also, I said elaborate, not another set of buzzwords.
Most of them didn't have any real arguments for what they did but >muh democarcy. They also succeeded with many plans that by all rational reasoning should've failed, which one might consider a problem of the plot rather than the characters, but it applied to them far more often than to any other character. Poplan was the archetypical sharp-tounged ladykiller with a good heart, Shenkopp the physically strong, manly badass. I just don't see what's supposed to be interesting about them. But for the most part, their dialogues just seemed out of place too often. They didn't feel like something a real person would say, but rather something one would expect from a certain stereotype.
I didn't find those characters you mentioned to "belong in a generic high school anime" as you say, I agree that they were underdeveloped compared to the imperials but I did like them, Schenkopp in particular
>people say the same thing about evangelion, and i don't see any contrarian faggots tearing it down
That's because you don't lurk Evangelion threads. 'Anno a hack' and 'Muh whiny annoying Shinji, an MC who ruined animu' are well-established memes, but you would know that if you weren't a newfag plebbit escapee.
Pretty sure that "Marx-esque" shit was what caused the Galactic Empire to form in the first place. A technocratic angle would be good normally, but you have to realize that the whole series is trying to peddle the narrative that history repeats. Everything has to be very classical and rudimentary so that it stays in line with history. Hell, they couldn't even introduce tank beds without causing plot holes.
This is what alt-right redditors actually believe.
The GITS movies get wallowed down by Oshii and his muh moody desires so nobody actually gets a character. SAC actually had characters with character other than Togusa the designated jobber.
The first time it played I had to pause it because I was laughing so hard, which was weird because it was right after the equally horribly engrish but actually touching rendition of Riberty Berr at
The language used by Poplan and Schenkopp belongs more in a high school locker room then it does in a professional workplace environment.
What next, a revelation that Rudolf liked to walk up to women and grab them by the pussy?
The degeneracy that happened to them certainly wasn't circumstantial, and with Euro-styled parliaments and a fascist usurper it's pretty easy to imagine what it must have been like.
>space sailors talking like fuckers and assholes
Gee anon, how shocking. What kind of sailor uses bad words like f*dge or H*CK?!
They're bothvery good at what they do, Poplan is a top ace, and Schenkopp leads a legendary special forces unit, and both face death every time they go out, they're allowed to be a little crude.
there is more than 300 characters with a bunch of distinct voice actors, almost all with a different motivations, goals and ways of doing those goals, how are they under developed?, the only underdeveloped character is delville, and that is just grassping for straws
Whigs actually had some intellectual firepower, by the time you to their descendent/successor, the Cerberus of neoliberalism, communism, and fascism, it's just naked power games with shallow propaganda masks for the masses.
Foppery and whim are no laughing matter. Some people died for that shit.
aren't they supposed to be a trading nation?, they sell things to the fpa and to the empire, sounds like jews to me
those are like the single best anime episodes ever produced anon
Here's a graph I whipped up in paint from memory.
>is x le overrated??????
>is x le underrated?????
Fucking stop making these threads you intellectual manchilds
Season 1 is the most tame of all the seasons. Honestly it had the worst finale of all of them, but it will be the one most important to the story later. The finale to season 2 is the best of the best, but the beginning of season 3 can get real boring. It picks up really really well after that, like 0 to 60. Something happens that changes the dynamic of the show for good at the end of season 3, won't spoil it, so season 4 really feels a bit alien. There is one really good arc in season 4 and a cool finale that wraps everything up neat though.
Honestly, there are some parts of LoGH that you might want to binge and some you just want to get over with, but overall it is worth it in my opinion. Watch it however you best feel you'll enjoy it.
>Is this niche show from the late 80's that is never mentioned in discussion of mainstream anime overrated?
Talking about it productively here is kind of difficult. It's very hard to hold a decent discussion without spoiling things for new people, and all the meme lords who have never watched the show but insist on spouting off opinions they didn't be form themselves doesn't help.
I suppose you could try creating a new meme, but perhaps there's no creativity left for the dullest franchise in the history of animé franchises?
Seriously each OVA following Reinhard von Chaddengram and Yang Wen-Sue as they fight assorted cardboard pushovers has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the outdated soundtrack, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of animation as a medium, all to make battles boring, to make a universe stand still.
Perhaps the die was cast when the studio vetoed the idea of broadcasting on television; they made sure the series would never be viewed by anybody without a LaserDisc player or with a life, just act as ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for the books. The Legend of the Galactic Heroes series might be anti-Casual (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Neon Genesis Evangelion series in its refusal of true depth, meaning and intellectualism. No one wants to face that fact. With the reboot canceled, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!" The writing is dreadful; the books are terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character seemed cornered, the author wrote instead that the character "hatched a plan."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that a plan was pulled from an ass. I stopped only after Yang had predicted and countered the enemy's movements by forming a semi-circle. I was incredulous. The author's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of LoGH by an Amazon.com customer. He wrote something to the effect of, "If you like these novels that became animés, then you might like the Haruhi Suzumiya series too! They're super moe and kawaii!" And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Ginga Eiyū Densetsu" you are, in fact, trained to appreciate KyoAnus trash.
>(3D spacefights always in 2D)
people who said this dont really pay attention or either mimicking what the first google link told you.
While half of it is true, Battle of vermilion and the one involved a stalemate with bothside in circular formation stated otherwise.
>that high tier
are /lit/ a bunch of teenager?
Some pastas are fresh forever. Truly a chef d'oeuvre from a chef de master.
It's a /tv/ meme about Harry Potter, actually.
fujosstill around? who is best husbando?
I thought this guy was going to shine somewhere in the OVA but it turn out we can only get to know him in the extra arc.
gosh I wish the new logh can atleast cut these background character some slack.
>remake of logh is mostly a combination of interviews, war reportage, and stock footage
oh that would be perfect
would it be fanfic to rewrite logh as a historical overview complete with fictional citations
Very, but mostly because people think it literally cannot be improved upon (see: everyone complaining about the reboot). It's great in all the ways people say it's great, but they're ignoring that it's a visual medium and the direction is way too uninspired for it to be a shining example of it.
I've realized the error of my ways, o worldly-wise senpai. Space marines are all supreme gentlemen and all their conversation is on intellectual topics and in exated idiom.
Damn, Kircheis looks like *that*?
Fuck the episode previews, seriously. The one time I accidentally watch em I get a huge spoiler about
yang's death. Why would they even tell that straight up in the preview jesus christ
brought it back a couple of times for the later episodesI cried like a bitch
But no one says that ever. People think the remake will sick because of trends in modern anime and less risk taking OVAS like the past.
Everyone knows LOGH has plenty of problems, pretty much no one likes the terrarists for example but it's the other things it does better than any other show ever that make people love it
>everybody who plays it calls it the greatest game of their life to everybody they know
>constant pictures of 2B's ass
>told hundred times a day how much of a genius Yoko Taro is
It's a good game, but it's pretty overrated.
It's a little overrated but still very good and feels like a history documentary which is great if you're into that stuff. Really nothing else like it in Anime.
It's legitimately great though. Best game to happen in quite some time.
>who had recaptured Iserlohn Fortress 15 times
It makes use of the medium in ways that few games do, and has fantastic gameplay, designs and music.
>constant pictures of 2B's ass
I don't get it. Are you just an angry homosexual?
Oh, I've met many Undertalefags. Many fuckers who wax lyrical about Sans and Undyne and the spider-tea girl. But the Nier fans I've met. Those guys can not shut the fuck up about their games. How it's so progressive. So trendsetting. And I just stand there hoping they can stop talking for a minute. How Kaine is so cool because of hermaphrodite representation. Screaming to the top of the hills over Emil. How they would let Yoko Taro shit on their face if they could. Takes all the fun out of what is genuinely a pretty good game.
clearly the best option is Reinhard, any other are just wrong
yeah and you could always change the subtitles in the narrator's speeches to reflect those citations, and to make them more like an overview, he talks a lot shit anyways
i don't think anyone says that it is devoid of flaws, we all have little things that we want to change to it, what there is to say is that whatever flaws it has are unimportant, they are like the tiny imperfections on a dimond
i hope those faggots at production ig take notes from this kind of art, i wouldn't be mad if they made the designs look like that cover
The actual best ED is the third one. The first time I saw it on YouTube I thought it was the worst one, and it wasn't until I reached episode 76 and saw the extended version that I realized the error of my ways.
I can and will, very easily. What even happens in 2? Julian just stands there looking pensive. He doesn't walk the long road to Iserlohn, he doesn't wander the cosmos after losing his home, he doesn't share his grief and turn it into hope. He just stands there.
2 is indisputably the worst.
The real question is, why do the EDs make me feel so nostalgic for something I've never experienced?
Yes, it's a common joke in these threads. We're constantly repeating our jokes here because we've long since lost the ability to invent new jokes.
try not to cry challenge, post results
2 is saved from being the worst because it's music is fine. ED 3's song is garbage and so is the slideshow. It doesn't even make sense until the end of the season, and even then they still play ED 1.
>Implying this is any different from any other protracted battle in the show.
Fuck off. He got fucked over indirectly because of Rubinsky.
Goddamn Fezzani merchants.
No, its because he's an honorabru reader that played the role that was painted for him.
Tbh he should've just surrendered himself over at the start, but that would've been the truly boring scenario, now wouldn't it?
The saddest part of Yang's death is how close it came to being prevented. The Rosen Ritter were on the ship, minutes away, then one lucky terrorist stumbled upon Yang before Julian did.
I can't find them. Here all the links on the Central Anime site (the fansub group).
If it's any consolation, the redraws end by season 3.
Yeah I know but some arcs just become unwatchable with all the swaps mid scene to the flat, bland digital art that captures no-ones character.
I actually just gave up with those episodes and found old streams of them, I want a download so I can make a torrent that is a mix of the new version with any redraw eps swapped out. Better to be lower quality video than..that.
There is no denying it has some pretty hefty flaws, but there really isn't anything quite like it in anime. Its scope, length and subject matter is not something you'll see anywhere else.
>tfw you will never feel for Kircheis because his death is animated like shit
It's amazing how much better the original art is. Like, LOGH is infamous for being pretty ugly and uninspiring, but its only until you compare it with the bland redraws that you notice how much character and expression was in those original faces.
They were the only version anyone had until the recent re release. You can still find these eps on some streaming sites but all torrents appear to be the modern BDs.
The image quality of the old ones was VERY low, there is a reason why all screenshots of LOGH used to be tiny, and I think the only versions we had in the west were hardsubbed too.
But yeah someone has to have the LDs out there, somewhere.
Not appreciating LoGH as the pinnacle of the medium as far as scope and worldbuilding goes is like dismissing War and Peace for literature. You have all the right to it, but that just makes you a filthy pleb and/or an adolescent.
It's hard to find too many examples of it, but this one sums up how flat the redraws were. Apparently they had no access to the originals of some episodes so just had to use the digital redraws for the BDs.
This one is interesting as well; the quality of the faces is about the same, but you can see how poor the new artist is as he doesn't even try to match the interesting perspective, just sticking with the same bland 3/4 in every shot.
It's a fuckin epidemic.
I can't find any real good comparison shots, but this one shows how side characters end up looking about the same, but the new art time and time again fails to capture the feel of the main cast and their personality. Compare the bland pink skinned man whose only distinguishing feature is his hair to the OG Oberstein here.
what's the story behind these?, please do tell me, for what i can gather the original was released in lazer disc and mailed, but then someone re-released them, and that was the only version anyone had, until the most recent re-release, am i correct?, and how the fuck do we know all of this?
LOGH was an OVA, the only digital version that existed was a really low quality laserdisc rip. At some point during the 00s that got hardsubbed into english, that was the ONLY version we had. This was uploaded on various streaming sites, it's still up. Then around the same time there was a remastered DVD version on nip TV, and later from that BD releases, which finally got subbed in the normal way and you can find on torrent trackers nowadays. I'm not 100% on why the originals were remade, but keep in mind pretty much constantly even since the series finished in 2000 they've been making extra spin-off OVA, mostly digital.
I've never heard of RAW LD rips being torrented, just those old hardsubs in 480p. Even they would be better than the current official version, which switches between the new redraws and the old versions sometimes shot by shot in the same scene.
>First ~70 episodes
A train slowly derailing into a gorge of dogshit.
Should of ended after pic related.
Is this the American version of Legend of the Galactic Heroes?
Or is Legend of the Galactic Heroes the Japanese version of Star Trek?
Apart from the fact that they're both space operas, not really. Star Trek deals with a particular moral and/or scientific dilemma each episode, whereas the entirety of LoGH is centered around the struggle between different forms of government.
One of the more prevalent recurring themes in Star Trek is the various forms of government between the major races in the series.
>There's conflict, sure, but a large, all out war isn't the backdrop the the whole show.
Blondie is the closest thing we get to Desslok outside of Start Blazers.
It's bretty gud. Like Dune lite.
It wouldn't be popular with today's fanbase. It takes time to build up, and the enemies are literal retards until Reinhard and Yang square off.
It's good but I feel like it's stuck in the wrong medium. Anime isn't meant for stories that read like books.
Psst, stop comparing based badass manly Desslok to this Gary Stu fuccboi. Even remake Desslok.
nu-Yamato S2 when?
Being slowly released in Japan, fellow Stalker.
Hail Leader Desslok.
>Hail Leader Desslok. Hear, hear! So hype.
To be honest, some redrawn scenes are better than the originals.
Take this scene, for example. The original looks better for the top two frames, but the redraw looks better for the bottom two.
The one question I've always had with LotGH is just how many people crew these ships? With the fucking sheer size of these battles, how are entire nations not being drained of their populations?
Only watched a few episodes,
if it's explained later then.. well shit.
>that feel we will never taste Leader Desslok's wine.
Feels fucking bad man.
>how are entire nations not being drained of their populations?
Here's a scene from early in the series, when some of the politicians complain that they're running out of people.
As for later in the series, by the fourth season, the forces on one side are reduced to 940,000, while the forces on the other side stand at 40,000,000,000.
millions of people die in each battle, if i remember correctly, in one of the battles they said the number of deaths. and it was 10 million people. but they have like billions of billions on each planet, so it's not that bad
About as bad as being off by one.
Japanese wine is a thing? And I thought South African was exotic.
Very different, Politic in Star Trek is mostly commentary toward the event that happen in the real world. While politic in logh is concept upon fiction and revolve within that realm of fiction, in addition, sci-fi in Logh only serve as setting and background for the story. The science is there, but it doesnt go far far beyond "supernatural" like Star Trek is.
>The one question I've always had with LotGH is just how many people crew these ships?
I had this curious question one day too, I just looked up the battles on ginipedia and calculated men/ship.
Roughly comes out to around 200 men a ship, which is sort of comparable to historic standards and even today's standards.
Although this number is sort of skewed when you have to think about fighter pilots, logistical ships, rear service, etc.
Someone could create a whole graph from every single battle of LotGH.
the fact that there is only old people in the fpa doesn't mean there isn't still billions of people, just think about it, each planet must be at it's limit capacity for number of humans per kilometer square, that's gotta be 10 billion people per planet of more, and there is a shit ton of planets in alliance, therefore if you removed all young people, there still would be billions of the elderly
when they say 40 billion they speak about the number of people in the empire, and the 1/425000 is the number of people still in the fpa's army, they never actually mention the actual civil population
I knew ahead of time, I even knew the episode number, and as it got closer I saw sign after sign it was happening, and I knew it was coming, so I thought I would be ready. I was not.
It still hurts.
>as it got closer I saw sign after sign it was happening
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who root for overwhelming dominating force instead of rooting for the hapless plucky underdogs
Fascist bootlickers get out!
This is how people in the military actually talk.
It was just a fashion statement.
The point of them was to show that Heinessen's defenses (the exact same technology) wouldn't hold out against a strategic assault, so the FPA was being overconfident by relying on them.
Post your favorite vocab words.
Watching a series like this made me yearn for the return of anime in comic-booky-illustration styles.
>high contrast colors
that's mostly a mood thing.
it's cheaper, just like digital animation made things cheaper compared to cels. learn to live with it
The goofy way Julian is drawn is much worse, but in general its just shit like the flat washed out colours and the bright pink skin. Most scenes looked better with the old art, and it's really jarring how it swaps between the two constantly.
They were just an example of how ridiculous and out of touch/decadent the nobles were becoming in the late Goldenbaum era. What Reinhard did was remove all of these fuckers from power, putting a meritocratic (ideally, but still despotic) system in its place. He replaced feudalism with a very large, autocratic state.
so how are they supposed to be travelling in the galaxy?, i know they don't say in the anime, but i just know this has an explanation in the books that wasn't mentioned, like is this magic?, a warp drive?, solar drive?
i have a question, if we have the two versions, couldn't we use the LD rips, with the blu-rays, to make better re-draws of the original material?, why haven't people done this?, i've heard similar projects with the old ass gundams, why not the best anime of all time?
If you want any kind of quality, autism alone is not enough.
>taking apart in "le fandums"
that's a good idea, it would have to be an edge recognising algorithm, and as the edge is blurry, we would have to send the data to an anon, so he just has to more or less just trace the lines
While anons have been rumored to have neural networks in their skulls I was referring to the computer kind.
In the end you need a tool that uses the normal drawing tools animators use (lines, brushes, color fill, masks, ...) and apply them at a higher resolution so that the result when downscaled would look like the original.
Basically illustrator's auto-tracing but on steroids.
yeah that's pretty much what i refered to, the thing is the original is only 640x480, that's is way too low, so a process like that would warp the lines a little, not always, and not too much, but enough so is annoying, it's still doable, but you just need a guy to oversight the whole thing, and plus it wouldn't take as much as redrawing
Don't forget about us!
I'm having a lot of fun reading through the novels.
Here are some general differences I could spot:
>the narrator pops in with in-universe background information a lot more frequently in the novels
>dialogues are filled with play-by-play commentary spelling out the characters' intentions, reactions and the flow of the conversation
>major characters are much more vivid when you get paragraphs of their inner world thrown at you whenever they're at a crucial point
>the battles usually start and end the same way, but in a lot of cases the formations and maneuvers and minor details are different and usually worse in the OVA
Why did the Terraists put Fork on a ship aimed at Yang?
Yang never actually interacted with Fork's ship, so Fork being there didn't make any difference. The Terraists could have sent an empty ship at Yang while saying "Hey, this ship has Fork on it." In fact, that would have been easier for the Terraists and consumed a lot less of their resources.
He exists, though in the first three novels he does not do much other than act as one of the commanders under Yang. He supposedly becomes more of a major character later on.
In one scene, OVA yang lectures OVA Attenborough about something that novel Yang just thinks to himself. That pretty much explains what they did with Attenborough in the OVA.
He's a Chinaboo more than anything. People let appearances fool them into thinking LoGH is Prussians in Space, but it's actually closer to Romance of the Three Kingdoms is Space. He states a compilation of Chinese biographies as his inspiration, and posted the following foreward to the official Chinese translation of LoGH (which came decades after various bootleg translations, one of them flat-out called Three Kingdoms in Space):
>In my youth, I read the Journey to the West, Water Margin, Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Records of the Grand Historian, and came to hold an interest in stories and in history. I was profoundly blessed by Chinese culture. If this translation goes even a little towards repaying this favor, there would be no joy greater than that for me.
The translation of the book isn't very well written so the presentation of the story is better done in the OVA. Also the OVA has some cool creative details the books don't, like Iserlohn's armor being that liquid metal, when in the books it's solid.
Also, would Yang be Yoshiki Tanaka also making a dig at Confucianism, considering one of the main facets of Confucianism is obeying authority without fuss. Recall the fact most of Yang's problems is his unquestioned loyalty to democracy, which doesn't help the Free Planets Alliance in the long run.
While I have no idea how active he is these days, I wish Tanaka would write some semi-historical fiction about the Chinese Warlord Era. Considering it has about as many factions and characters as LoGH.
Yang didn't accept authority without fuss though, he subverted and outright rebelled in the end, and was close to resigning.
You could say he definitely had a more eastern approach to authority than Reinhard did though, yeah.
>faster than light travel that uses particular routes and gathered data to navigate
So basically all you have to do is leave some space debris on your enemy's 'route' and watch them turn up with ships poked full of holes? And no one ever thinks of that because everyone's retarded? Or is there some fantasy-tier asspul like 'le prescient navigators' in Dune?
Seems to contradict the historian in ep40 that the empire alone had a population of 300 billion during Goldenbaum's reign. It wouldn't make sense for humanity's population to be cut so dramatically.
>reading the novels
>get to the bit about tank beds
>they're just sensory deprivation tanks used in place of amphetamines
On one hand it makes a lot more sense, on the other it's slightly disappointing.
Thats what years of war did, plus terrible policies leading to famine, people leaving for the FPS, etc. The population went way down but is more spread out.
The majority of humanity lives on Heinessen and Odin.
>Commentary toward the event that happen in the real world
>Federation is basically communist
So America is a communist country.
Actually the more I think about it the less ridiculous it sounds.
But he did it to preserve democracy. As commented by some in the show, he should have considered getting into politics, but that would have just turned Yang into another Rudolf von Goldenbaum. And when it came to combatting the corruption within the FPA's government, we had that coup d'etat led by Dwight Greenhill, which turned out for naught as it was a scheme by Reinhard, and that it gave more power to Job Trunicht, who embodied everything wrong with the FPA by that point.
The novel makes it clear that it's total population, not just the empires population, so FPA refugees don't affect such. A point made is that even though the Goldenbaum's policies resulted in the deaths of billions, they were such that compared to the total population he could get away with calling it repression of undesirable minorities.
It's kind of a really dramatic number all things considered, if Tanaka were able to revise the number a decline of 60-80 billion would have been more plausible, that's already a grimdark decline all things considered.
I assume he had in mind depopulations of places like, say, Rome, there's an obvious example. However, it doesn't match that of, say Russia during its civil war or famine, or India during its own famines. Idk, maybe there's a chinese depopulation event he had in mind, he is a chinaboo.
i always saw his decision as one based on sartian morality, in it when you do something you create a path for all people that includes that action, and so yang didn't kill reinhard just because that would create a humanity where just ignoring your orders is ok, and that leads to an unstable society
This. Yang was always taking the historical perspective, he was thinking about how his actions would be viewed by those after himself - in this sense him and Reinhard were the same, except Rein wanted to grab history by the balls and write it himself.
One point made was that after the passing of Rudolf I and the following rebellions conditions generally improved, in that they were stable and noticeably less repressive. Those who made the journey prior to Heinessen were probably of the same 10 billion recently-enslaved serfs that Heinessen was a part of, his own expedition having a figure of only 400,000.
Casualty figures for battles are steep af and it's written that even the empire accepts women within their ranks (probably only as far as minor officer commissions tho), which certainly means there's a greater pool of manpower for the militaries of the galaxy to draw from, and the war had gone on for 160 years, but most conflict within those years was not particularly tense with many periods of comparative peace.
One thing we can consider is that the population was probably not 300 billion at the start of Rudolf I's reign, as it is said that the figure was the USG's population at its height. Rudolf I's didn't start at its height, but at its lowest point, after years of internecine conflict and civil unrest. For the sake of plausibility, we can add say 50 billion in decline from the height of the USG to the ascension of Rudolf I to the imperial throne.
Oh, he's still active. He put out a volume of Arslan last year.
Though the real moral of the story is that LoGH is a gateway drug to proper historical novels and nonfiction history books.
Still doesn't make sense, when you account for the alliance's population on top of the empire's that's more than a 10x drop, generally only seen when a population is being actively genocided. Even Russia's population which because of enormously bloody wars and ruinous famines was significantly stunted still showed net growth through all that.
Space is big, having a margin of error for the arrival area of a route might be 10000x times the radius of a planet (which is a trillion times larger by volume which is what matters since we're filling it up) but it would still show up as a small smudge on a map of the system as a whole. So even if you were to fill it up with nuclear bombs, and since I'm being extremely generous I'll give them a destructive radius of 10 miles, you'd need roughly 6.4x10^19 of those bombs to saturate the volume. Which again with me being extremely generous and saying that these bombs only weigh 1000 lbs, the total mass of this nuclear minefield would weigh about as much as the moon.
This also assumes that the warp drop off point orbits with the star making it easy to just drop shit off there, if it moves in anything but an orbit then you'd need engines (quintillions of them) in place to keep your mine field inside the drop off point. But actually you'd need engines on these anyway since the minefield is so massive it has a significant gravitational pull and you want to keep it spaced out nice, which adds to the mass, which adds to the problem.
All of them, right down to civilian ships.
You don't hear about them much because deflectors have a minimum range of effectiveness. In combat they're not an issue because ships don't engage in the first place unless within range.
Never heard of the 100 years war? You even got the bubonic plague on top of it all (the real killer) and France which suffered the worst lost half it's population, not 90%. 90% only makes sense if they constantly used nukes against habitable planets, which it explicitly shows they didn't.
You and I carry sophisticated computing devices in our pockets, which we use and abuse as well please. Isn't that a colossal waste of resources?
Just specifying beforehand, I'm a different poster than the one you replied to. I mentioned earlier that there's a few centuries of time between the height of the USG and the end of the Imperial-Alliance conflict, with most of those centuries involving either century long war or century long programs of basically genocide. I agree that it's a steep figure, but not *entirely* unplausible. I mean, it still is, but forgivably. I recall an article about writers not being, y'know, good with numbers, and in Tanaka we find at least an effort being made.
Forgive my earlier response, I see what you seem to think the waste is. Let me explain.
Let us assume one power decides that it will do away with deflectors, because in any case they don't meaningfully prevent combat-related damage. However, now they can be engaged at distances well in excess of what distance they can engage in, and subsequently get slaughtered.
Militaries have plenty of weapons and systems like this, weapons used less for what they do and more for what they compel the enemy to do.
Take mines. The usage of mines on a mass scale in WWII and before were not kill or as a trap, but area denial. Once folks knew where minefields were, they wouldn't walk there and had to find alternative, probably less tenable routes of attack. A minefield's primary use is not in exploding, but simply in being explosive, in being a place where no sane person would walk once they know what's there.
I'd rather have cheap ships than ships that can get a little bit closer together without dying from their own explosions. The shields don't even seem to help since ships constantly die that way in the series anyway.
A smartphone is not the same as an energy shielding system for an interstellar warship.
This >>156449360 was meant for you.
It carries more processing power than any individual computer that existed in, say, the 70's, and some cases that of entire world powers.
Same concept. Interstellar warships and their support system would be incomparably expensive for us, but they're working with larger resources, more efficient energy generation, and just that much larger of an economy. Buying a warship then is no much more expensive, comparatively, than buying a warship now.
I wish more shows dealt with politics like LOGH does.
Most material involving the subject usually ends up as biased metaphors that serve for propaganda instead of just dealing with the conflicts and interactions between the different forms of government and society with each other and themselves.
I don't remember genocides (other than the Sirius war before the space era) ever being mentioned except the political consolidation of the Empire with 4 billion dead and where the original 300 billion population for the empire came from. It said periods of false peace between the battles, aka rearmament and populations rebounding, no mention of genocide, rather Phezzan's rise to power through trade and diplomacy. Then you get the first citing of 40 billion based on a ratio of 25 billion empire, 13 billion alliance, and 2 billion Phezzan. It makes far more sense to say it's just a ratio and not the actual numbers. Phezzan was prosperous and urban, there was a graph showing it had positive population growth throughout it's independence, and it only had 2 billion?
The modern wars in terms of proportionate devastation to the population were minor comparatively to older conflicts. As was stated earlier, Russia which suffered the worst of the 20th century had positive population growth throughout it in spite of having it's population stunted.
Whats great about LOGH is its focus; its a story about forms of government, about the importance of fuckin staff officers and putting the right minds in the right places. People get caught up in how some characters seem incompetent and others always win, but battles are always won in LOGH due to decisions that happened externally - personnel decisions, etc. LOGH comments on those factors more than anything.
You have to remember disease was historically the real killer in wars, thanks to modern medicine taking care of most disease, even in spite of the democratization of war, the proportion killed because of conflict was less even as the scale was much larger.
It's also clear that the galactic war is fought with restraint on both sides, evidenced by their lack of use of nukes on habitable worlds and the devastation was limited to the boarder worlds along the corridor, and we saw that they were fertile farmworlds.