The last time the world saw this many v2's was when Hit

Decent joke, shit thread.

>this is what they killed fansubs for

thanks doc

>>156319003
Every time I watch a PM episode I'm glad that fansub died.

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I have been out of the loop, what happened to the fansub groups, why is 90% of shows translated by horriblesubs?

their translation quality is ...well, horrible
most of the witty wordplay or references get completely lost.

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>>156319921
>translated by horriblesubs
No such thing

>>156319921
Because anime is dead. We are remnants.

>>156319921
Horriblesubs is just Crunchyroll rips

>>156320001
Factually incorrect. They also rip from Funi.

>>156319921
HorribleSubs doesn't translate, they rip from official sources like cr, funi, daisuki and more recently amazon
That makes their releases much faster, and so that's what people download, and that's probably why fansub is dead now

>>156319821
PM episodes are what makes me miss fansubs the most. Not the wait time of course, but the actual effort in typesetting that makes watching more enjoyable. The best you can hope for now is that Funimation gets a show instead of CR do you can actually get the OP translated, but forget about karaoke from anyone but fansubs. But then you get hardsubs.
Ironic how the stuff you have to pay for is so cheap compared to stuff that's done for free. And I haven't even gotten to the yellow hardsubs from Sentai that don't even translate the OP/ED either.

>>156319921
Crunchyroll went legit and has simultaneous releases with Japan that come pre-subtitled in English. So HorribleSubs just rips the subtitles from Crunchyroll and makes it free, bypassing Crunchyroll's paywall for pirates. No sub group can compete with the speed of Crunchyroll because they are pre-translated and pre-typeset before the episode airs, so even though the subtitles are horrible in both translation and style, viewers overwhelmingly choose speed over quality, leading to the decline of quality subgroups that once shaped the entire fansubbing scene.

>>156320018
Funi subs for newer shows are now on crunchy, they only do dub streams now.

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>>156319955
>>156320001
>>156320018
>>156320040
I see, they haven't updated "about us" section on their website it seems

well damn, that sucks,
are there any decent sub groups remaining that translate new stuff?

>>156320101
That's probably there on purpose

>>156318922
>.se
What did nyaa mean by this?

>>156320057
>The best you can hope for now is that Funimation gets a show instead of CR do you can actually get the OP translated

Funi are retards, they don't typeset anything and their subtitles read like dub scripts.

>>156320101
That's a joke

>>156320080
It's not a for-profit enterprise though. It doesn't matter if people go for the first one out there, unless you're desperate for praise and attention.

>>156320223
What's the point of doing a job if barely anyone will care?

>>156319921
>their translation quality is ...well, horrible
It's better than a shitload of the fansubs I've seen. Even some of the stuff I saw back in the VHS days when people took their time.

>>156320057
>PM episodes are what makes me miss fansubs the most. Not the wait time of course, but the actual effort in typesetting that makes watching more enjoyable. The best you can hope for now is that Funimation gets a show instead of CR do you can actually get the OP translated, but forget about karaoke from anyone but fansubs.
Fuck typesetting, and fuck karaoke. When typesetting came to fansubs, my enjoyment went down, not up. Same with karaoke; stupid flashy wankery done to stroke fansubber's egos, it adds nothing of value. I'll admit it would be nice to have song lyrics translated, though.

I don't know which is worse: that someone actually thinks HS translate or that people are seriously explaining to the person.

>>156320101
nemdiggers

>>156319921
lurk more before posting

>>156320274
For its own sake?

I don't stop posting if I don't get any responses.

>>156320080
>viewers overwhelmingly choose speed over quality, leading to the decline of quality subgroups that once shaped the entire fansubbing scene.
Actual quality subgroups were a fucking rarity as it was, and were killed off by fansubbers who went for speed rather than quality, not Crunchyroll and HorribleSubs.

>>156320223
>It doesn't matter if people go for the first one out there, unless you're desperate for praise and attention.
Dunno if you've paid any actual attention to fansub groups, but they fucking are.

>>156320334
Posting requires a lot less work and effort in comparison however.

>>156320057
Karaoke was cancer and added nothing of value. I'm glad it's gone. Typesetting is pontiless. As long as the sign is translated that's all I care about. Looking at you Amazon.

>>156318922
this may be a stupid question but why are HS coming out with v2?

if they rip their subs from cruchyroll and similar where are they getting the "improved" subs from?

>>156320352
>Dunno if you've paid any actual attention to fansub groups, but they fucking are.
I know, I'm just pointing out they don't have to be. It's illogical to blame rippers because other people need emotional validation from strangers.

>>156320101
It was there to bait new guy or stupid people like you, who asking them that kind of question thousand times.
So people get tired and decide to be a troller

>>156320394
They aren't getting improved subs they are getting improved video from Amazon.

>>156320101
they don't want to get sued by admitting their thievery

>>156320424
oh ok cheers

so no point downloading them again

>>156320441
Not unless you haven't already seen those episodes, no.

>>156320433
laws and trial doesn't work that way

>>156319921
>I have been out of the loop,
You've been out of the loop for 7 years?

>>156320394
>if they rip their subs from cruchyroll and similar where are they getting the "improved" subs from?
It's usually improved video encode, not improved subs. And where it's improved subs, it's because Crunchyroll updated their scripts.

>>156320399
>I know, I'm just pointing out they don't have to be.
And politicians don't have to be corrupt, but 9 out of 10 of them are anyway, and no-one ever hears about the ones that aren't.

>>156318922
I almost missed the daily dose.

>>156320394
>this may be a stupid question but why are HS coming out with v2?

Horrible managed to break amazon video encryption.

No more watching PRINT_SCREEN images with 30,000+ frames

>>156319921
I was in a similar boat to you very recently anon. hadn't watched anything since summer 2010 and it was super jarring seeing just how much crunchy and by extension horrible had taken over

>>156320278
>>156320393
Non-typesetted shit looks literally disgusting, it's only a tiny step up from piss color subs. It's gross and distracting and I have no clue how anyone could ever defend it against the alternative, assuming the alternative isn't doing a blatantly terrible job at it.

>>156320424
Generally speaking how long does it take the Amazon rip to hit nyaa?
If it's not too long it seems worthy.

>>156319955
What about the first episode of AKB0048?

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>>156320462
4-5 years
stopped watching anime
stopped visiting 4chan
stopped playing vidya
got a job
and tried to socialize more

nothing really changed tho, in fact I realized how much I missed watching anime

>>156320461
nah it works that way, if you say I am a killer you'd get sued and sentenced fast
if they think you are a killer they might sue you if there is enough evidence and the trial might take years

>>156320592
The important thing is you realized the error of your ways
We are a forgiving and we welcome you back with open arms

>>156320592
>[2015.10.20_07.05.14]
:thinking:

>>156320512
Really disagree there. I find most efforts at typesetting ugly and distracting, and there's nothing wrong with yellow subtitles; people just bitch about them because it's an excuse to hate official subs.

I wonder if herkz and jaka actually figured out how to break the encryption or they just paid someone to tell them how to do it.

>>156320188
>and their subtitles read like dub scripts
And then when they do get around to dubbing, the dub has another script entirely.

>>156320637
I'd prefer watching Hadena to Funi

>480p
>720p
wew lads

>>156320637
It's hard to get through a heavy rose-tinted barrier of nostalgia and wishful thinking.

>>156319921
names and senpais becames hey/what/yes

>>156320080
>speed over quality

same thing that happened with naruto fastsub...

>>156320745
>implications

>>156320745
>bothering with upscales

>>156320057
>PM episodes are what makes me miss fansubs the most
>hardsubs OP/ED, one big ugly carnival
>even insert songs
>retarded rainbow colored typesetting trying to fuck the bottom of the screen
>translating adds and other bullshit no one wants, turning the screen into a fucking mess
>releases look like upscaled crap due to retarded encoding that still managed to be bloated
>despite all that they can't even put any effort into making chapters

Every time I have to rip the subs and edit them to make their shit watchable.

>the actual effort in typesetting that makes watching more enjoyable
Nothing but utter autism. People like to make fun of the ones who still hang to pokemon but when you see how fucking retarded the pokemon fansubs are handled, you can't blame them.

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This is disgusting my anime folder has been violated

>>156318946
Shit post

>>156320393
Karaoke with effects is the real cancer.

>>156320512
Piss subs are made to be as easy to read as possible from a distance. Typesetted subs quality varies a lot, it usually sucks. Also I don't understand why we can't have multiple tracks with various typesetting styles.

>>156320662
I find most effort at typesetting to be for ants whenever you're trying to watch from a bit of a distance.

>>156320080

its honestly better this way, if you are super passionate about accurately understanding true meaning of chinese cartoons as they where originally conceived you should already be studying japanese at this point and transitioning to raws, otherwise the speed of sites like crunchy is more reliable for the common audience.

>>156319921
>their translation quality is ...well, horrible
They're no worse than fansubs ever were. Which isn't exactly a good thing, but I really don't understand why people have this nostalgic hardon for fansubs. They were terrible more often than not.

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>>156318922

>>156321668
>but I really don't understand why people have this nostalgic hardon for fansubs.
What's the alternative for them? Appreciate DVDs and Blu-rays? Appreciate a streaming service?

I bet you "enjoy" waiting for LWA subs amrite?

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>>156321668
I miss tl notes

>>156320274
I care though.

>>156319921
>their translation quality is ...well, horrible
I only have real issues when they change names for legal reasons like in JoJo.

>>156321668
>I really don't understand why people have this nostalgic hardon for fansubs
People are just looking for excuses to complain about things they don't even pay for.

>>156321904
That's probably the most reasonable one, though.
It's not worth getting sued just so you can say "Vanilla Ice".

>>156321515
>watching pokemon to begin with

Have you ever considered that the problem is with you?

>>156322002
Not the other guy but I don't care if that's reasonable. Fansubs don't have this problem. Legalities are not my problem. Don't make their problems your problems.

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>>156322020
Never.

>>156320481
>Horrible managed to break amazon video encryption.
This is the best news I've had all day.

>>156322070
It just seems wrong to lewd stoner-chan
its like youre literally raping her

>>156321668
>They're no worse than fansubs ever were.
They're better actually, no stupid TL notes, no eyecancer karaoke nonsense, translations are largely understandable not riddled to the bone with grammatical and spelling errors, unnecessary swearing and slang, etc. Also they release for 95% of shows as opposed to 70% at best with tons of groups competing over popular shows, right around when they air in Japan as opposed to a week or more later with many even dropped completely. But I'm sure someone will post a handful of screencaps from the dozens of shows CR and the rest do per year and nothing from all of the horrible shit we had to endure back in the day.

>>156322069
If it's an unofficial translation, sure, they should probably just call it by its actual name. But I can't expect HorribleSubs to go and edit the script to change it back.

>>156322077
I'm surprised that no one is bothering shutting them off.

>>156320481
>Horrible managed to break amazon video encryption.
Do you mean it was broken, and HorribleSubs is also exploiting it, or that HorribleSubs managed to break the encryption on their own?

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>>156322120
As one example of the shit we had to deal with back in the day...

>>156322367
>the shit we had to deal with back in the day
Everything being a demotivational?

>>156322413
Well that too, but google image search couldn't find me a clean version of that screenshot.

>>156322413
>10 groups pick a new show
>2 max will complete it

>>156320481
Did they? Then why does the start of Atom episode 2 still show hardsubbed signs?

>>156322310
The latter.

>>156322445
It's still better than the scanlation scene.
>A very slow group squats on a manga and complains if anybody else touches it
>A fast group will stop the second it gets licensed
>I'm forced to stay home everyday to care for my mother, who has been sick for over 15 years

>>156321668
There were bad fansubs and good fansubs. Quality varied a lot. Crunchyroll has consistently medium quality, while services like FUNi or Daisuki often have very bad quality, much worse than your average fansub.

But where legal simulcasts really beat fansubs is how timely they are. I'm so glad HS finally ripped Zero Kara correctly, because waiting for Kaitou's episode 2 killed me. It's been over a week since episode 1, and still no episode 2 in sight.

I wish these fansub groups would at least consistently rip and sub BDs.

>>156322551
Wow, I'm impressed. Do they have a blog post on it or something?

>>156322593
They didn't, see >>156322473

My guess is they figured out how to capture the output with disabled subs.

>>156322554
Having worked on scanlations over a lenghty period of time, I can tell you that passion can only get you so far. It is a very time consumming hobby that's very unrewarding (plus mangafox jews abusing it) and the moment you get tired of a title or that you feel like you're wasting your time on something no one reads, it gets dropped fast.

>>156318922
what improvement?

>>156322738
I don't mean to belittle your work; I am very appreciative for the efforts of scanlation groups. But it's still frustrating, especially when there's drama. From an outsider's perspective, it's baffling.

>>156318922
>it's the lower bitrate version
hahahahahaha

>>156322996
Once again, it's not simple drama, doing proper scanlation is ridiculously taxing on time and effort, even doing a fast ugly job takes a significant amount of time. You'll need all the motivation you can get, anything that take away from that is a severe thread for the continuation of projects.

>From an outsider's perspective, it's baffling
I guess that as human beings we like to focus only on specific aspects of things, with no desire to see the whole, true picture.

>>156319921
The industry pulled their heads out of their arses and started delivering acceptably translated versions that get simulcasted or close.

That's what majority of western audiences wanted.

Sub groups added layers of wanking while they enjoyed a monopoly hold. When that ended, they died out, the only ones surviving are those that relase softsubs of hardsubbed shows or contribute something meaningful (like editing and non-retarded styling) in a timeframe acceptable to the audience.

>>156320278
>Fuck typesetting, and fuck karaoke.
As a retired subber I can tell you most of delays were related to that.

It got to completely retarded levels, for Macross Frontier, the many-names-joint were rendering overlays for stuff, like signs.

>>156323062
amazon doesn't use 2pass you fucking retard

>>156322158

Don't give him any ideas. Then again, I'm sure he's trying.

>>156320481
>Horrible managed to break amazon video encryption.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZZZ

>>156320057
>wanting karaoke
Fuck off weeaboo. All they need to do is translate the song just like they translate other dialogues. If you're such a faggot that you want to sing a long, google the lyrics yourself. Or even better, kill yourself.

>>156323148
>signs
When done well, these are just works of art though and really make the experience seamless with stuff like phone screens etc. when possible

>karaoke
OP/ED tl is more than enough

>>156323148
>most of delays were related to that
It was easy to tell how most of the efforts went into retarded looking effects that only managed to rape the original picture.

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>>156321655
If you're watching from a distance where you can't read the subs properly, you're watchign from a distance where you can't even see the content of the show properly.

>>156323107
Well, I can't say that you're wrong. I am sorry for demeaning your work, Anon.

>>156323287

>bullshit chart

I watch my 4k 55" from 80-90 cm distance. What now, autists?

>>156323107
I scanlate shit too and that's just bullshit. None of that is justification for begging for money or throwing a hissy fit because some site upload your chapter to their online reader or crying about people stealing your projects.

>>156323264
>When done well, these are just works of art though and really make the experience seamless with stuff like phone screens etc. when possible
I always fucking hated it when they did that, though. I want to see what was made by the animators, not what the fansubbers want to slap over it.

>>156320592
So you're proof that there really is no leaving this place.

>>156323372
Well then download the fucking raws you piece of shit, if that's your actual complaint.
You care so much about seeing the original work then you couldn't possibly want subs in any capacity because they cover up the original work that you need to see and not understand so badly.

>>156323339
>4k 55" from 80-90 cm distance
God save your eyes anon

>>156323372
>I always fucking hated it when they did that, though. I want to see what was made by the animators, not what the fansubbers want to slap over it.
Really? Usually it's a text message in Japanese with emoji and stuff. What's wrong with translating it and overlaying the translation in a way that looks natural? Especially when the overlay maintains the original screen layout. I'm presuming since you're watching a fansub you can't read Japanese either.

Heck, everything is softsubs these day, so if you want to see the original sign you can just turn the sub track off.

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>>156323372

>>156322435
I have the subs somewhere.

It was a Chinese machine translation to English.

>>156319921
Daiz killed them all.

>>156323499

I can spot a spec of dust on the screen from that distance and have to constantly wipe them off. It's the best.

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>>156323556
What's his next target?

>>156320278
>>156323258
>>156323264
Pokemon has the subtitles for the OP/ED on it in anyway, so omitting what you should be able to read while watching the original airing would be wrong.

>>156323556
>>156323630
>le Daiz may may xDDDD
Kill yourselves, cancer.

>>156323630

Nyaa.

>>156323470
Way to miss the point...

>>156323499
But that text being in English on the mobile phone screen or whatever does not look natural to me, because it's not an English language production. Regular subtitles is fine for it. And I'm nowhere near fluent, but I can read enough that it's not complete gibberish to me, and I want to see what the original is. And back in the day when everyone was doing it, everything was hardsubbed, and even when softsubs started coming in, overlays were often hardsubbed anyway.

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>>156323686
>...

>>156323264
>phone screens
Absolutely disgusting. So much for elitism.

>>156323730
You fucking complete dumbass idiot.

>>156323686
>Regular subtitles is fine for it
It becomes an information density problem though, especially if a character is talking at the same time as the phone screen is being shown. You just can't shove that much text onscreen as regular subs and not have it cover the entire screen.

>And I'm nowhere near fluent, but I can read enough that it's not complete gibberish to me, and I want to see what the original is
This is specific to you

>overlays were often hardsubbed anyway
Incredibly rare that hard subs are resorted to for anything these days, if you're finding them in your releases you're either getting stuff from an ancient group that never updated their ways or the deadfish style encodes for playback on ps3's and TVs

>>156323730
You'd rather have untranslated text messages removing context from scenes? Or would you rather it be tacked to the top of the screen as a TL note?

>>156323823
He thinks you were talking about watching on a cell phone, not translating cell phone screens that show up in anime.

>>156323823
>Or would you rather it be tacked to the top of the screen as a TL note
This is much better. Anything else is just bullshit and pointless.

>>156323865
No.

>>156320278
>>156320393
>tfw was around in the VHS trading days
>tfw think those mid 2000s days with karaoke and colored subs as well as light TL notes were the best most comfy days. Karaoke effects were neat too once they came.
I still have a couple hundred fansub series of shows that got R1 releases because I prefer the translation style even if it's less correct

>>156323661
>kill yourselves
Right after you.

>>156323893
>This is much better. Anything else is just bullshit and pointless.
Again this creates an information density problem, especially if the amount of text on the cellphone screen is such that putting it at the top of the frame would cover half the page.

Then there are the other edge cases where it's not a text message but some kind of y/n dialogue box or something.

I'll never understand why TL Notes had to go.
People don't really prefer translators trying to translate an untranslatable Japanese saying or joke by sticking some random idiom or only very vaguely correct translation in there right?

>inb4 someone posts some nonsense joke TL Notes
Might as well post joke subs and claim that all subs need to go.

>>156321729
Fair point.

>>156323823
>It becomes an information density problem though, especially if a character is talking at the same time as the phone screen is being shown. You just can't shove that much text onscreen as regular subs and not have it cover the entire screen.
Use a smaller point size then.
>This is specific to you
That reason, sure, but I'm far from the only person to hate overlays.
>Incredibly rare that hard subs are resorted to for anything these days, if you're finding them in your releases you're either getting stuff from an ancient group that never updated their ways or the deadfish style encodes for playback on ps3's and TVs
It's incredibly rare to get actual fansubs at all these days. Some might exist, but unless it's a show HS isn't carrying, I've just got no reason to get a fansub.

>>156324030
>Use a smaller point size then.
So people won't be able to see it?

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>Daiz

>>156324055
It'd be even smaller on the overlay, surely?

>>156324055
Squashing it all onto a tiny screen achieve the same damn shit when you dealing with shit like phone screens.

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>>156323499
There are times when they go full fucking retard though.

>>156323996
>I'll never understand why TL Notes had to go

Xenoglossia.

>>156324065
YOUJO DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO LOLI FUCK YOU DAIZ WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DEFENDING TRANSLATING FROM JAP BY USING ANOTHER DAMN JAP TERM

>>156324097
Whoever thought that this was acceptable suffers from severe subs autism.

>>156323996
Because the cartel is all for full localization.

>>156324030
>Use a smaller point size then.
Readability is affected, also it's just common sense to not switch typefaces or point sizes within a document. Typesetting 101

>It's incredibly rare to get actual fansubs at all these days. Some might exist, but unless it's a show HS isn't carrying, I've just got no reason to get a fansub.
You have a point here, even I watch HS for 99% of stuff unless one of the two remaining groups that does decent work is doing timely releases.

>>156324097
Yes there are, a group is not a monolith though. The QC really should have have shot this down. Hopefully they fixed it for the BD.

>>156324065
Daiz did that? Appalling.

Learning japanese is the only way.

>>156320000

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>>156324134
Most of the time it's good autism though. Fucking look at this beauty.

>>156324226
Mori memesubs were the only thing that made Wakako Zake watchable after it wore out it's welcome in the first 3 or 4 episodes.

>>156324179
>Readability is affected, also it's just common sense to not switch typefaces or point sizes within a document. Typesetting 101
Bullshit. There is no problem with using a different typeface/point size for translating text from what you're using for dialogue. Or changing typeface/point size if there's a similar change in the onscreen text.

>>156324252
>posting joke / TV-Nihon subs
every time

>>156324266
>it's welcome

>>156324247
I could feel impressed if most of the information on this weren't utterly worthless to the viewer or to anything.

>>156322473
Blame Sentai, they're hardsubbing the sings.

>>156324226
These were always on a second subtitle track.
They were pretty entertaining, although they overused the jew thing.

How many people in this thread edit their own subs anyway?

I do.

>>156324247
That's pretty damn impressive.

>>156323287
>television

>>156324291
Why do people like you even exist? Just read a fucking summary of the epsiode so you condense your experience to only the most worthy of information.

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>>156324291
Here you are then you autist.

>>156324346
>>156324247
Asenshi's Akagami no Shirayukihime also had some really impressive typesetting of some letters and textbook pages

>>156324324
Eh, one of these days I'll get around to finishing my project to put fansub scripts on my R2 Natsu no Arashi DVDs.

>>156324367
Some of us prefer not to sit at the computer to watch an episode of something.

>>156324324
I do, too occasionally, but only if the show is good enough for rewatching obviously.

>>156324247
>That brownies review.
Fuck me I laughed.

>>156324413
>Some of us prefer not to sit at the computer to watch an episode of something.
Can't believe I'm reading this on /a/. Abandon ship, we've been overrun by normalfags.

>>156324383
>I like to read that the sky is blue and that water is wet
Autism for you.

>>156324388
Better.

>>156324461
Haha I bet you also read manga at your computer too instead of on a reading device.

>>156324461
Mate, I was watching VHS fansubs before you knew what the fuck anime was. The weebest of the weeb all watched stuff on TV sets back in my day.

>>156322158
Probably because enough people fall for Prime past the free trial

If the show is available on Amazon, is there any point in downloading horriblesubs? Like do they improve anything? I just realized I can watch anime with my prime subscription.

>>156324573
If you're paying for Amazon anyway, you might as well watch it that way, assuming you don't care to archive the episodes.

>>156324605
>archiving HS rips

Fuck me, is this the state we've come down to?

>>156324638
When your only alternative is streaming? Yes.

>>156324461
That's nothing. Just look at this thread >>156320659
This is the sort we're sharing the board with.

>>156324605
So horriblesubs does nothing apart from making it free?
Also, is there a significant quality difference between CR and Amazon? I tried CR but the range of shows was shit.

>>156324638
>archiving HS rips
What else can you do until the BD rips come out? Unless you mux CR subs onto TV raws

>>156324638
If you think you might want to watch the show again but don't want to bet on A) it still being available to stream/download, and B) DVDs or BRs to come later. And don't tell me "you can always find it to download later", because there's plenty of shows I haven't been able to later.

>>156324573
With currently airing anime, you have to pay extra even if you already have prime. Older stuff is free with prime though.

>>156322120
>no stupid TL notes
Oh look, the newshit CRtard has seen some epic meme images and now he's against TL notes.
>translations are largely understandable
Thanks to the lack of TL notes and localization for the normalfag audience your "understandable" translations are fanfiction-tier.

>>156324324
I override the font and sub position.

>>156324712
That's weird, I only have prime and I just tested watching Re Creators and Saekano just fine.

>>156319821
>>156320057
What does PM stand for in this context?

I'm probably missing the obvious here, but what is a "pm" episode?

>>156324896
http://
pocketmonsters-
fansubs.
blog
spot.fr/

>>156320592
How? I got job and try to socialize but i still watched anime and lurk 4chan

>>156322158
Why would they? New group would just come again do the same thing

>>156323911
>tl notes

>>156320101
GJM is all that's left.

>>156325116
I said light TL notes. It beats overlocalization that we have now and people actually learned something. I'm not talking about Keikaku = plan shit.

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>>156324481
Well you'll love this then, even better if you were that mong who was complaning about phone screens.

>>156325130
GJM is memecartel tier

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>mfw I realize people weren't joking when they said Daiz was steadily killing fansubs
I thought they were overreacting. I miss singing along with karaoke.

>>156325176
Daiz is fucking cancer and he's not even in an English speaking cancer
>when you're killing a language that isn't even yours

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I understand karaoke not being for everyone, but anyone who actually dislikes typesetting is a shit-eating pleb

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>>156324813
Amazon gives me this, so you might've just signed up for the free trial without paying attention.

>>156324683
What is wrong with it?

>>156320666
herkz is in a lot of private trackers and has been ripping for years so I'd guess he knew how. Jaka on the other hand probably paid someone with the shitloads of money HS gets in donations and because he is an autist and couldn't stand that people downloaded amazon rips over HS.

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>>156325240
It give me that when im on amazon.com but not .co.uk
And I just tried it today and didn't have that thing come up, my prime has also been active for 1.5 years now.

>>156324179
>>156324097
You stupid fucking idiots. That was the joke. Aoyama started writing her autograph way too big and couldn't fit it all in so she had to write everything smaller the closer she got to the edge.

>>156325240
May also be a regional thing maybe.
I have only prime, can see them just fine and I think that Anime strike doesn't even exist where I'm from.

>>156325200
>>156325233
Baka baka.

>>156324401
they didn't sub that show though, GJM did.

>>156325430
Thanks for clearing that up then, I haven't watched Gochumon though

>>156324097
Gochiusa is so damn comfy

>>156325467
subgroup misapporopriation

My mistake, my brain borked the groups

>>156325414
http://primevideo.com is a protip

>>156325472
It should be extremely obvious from the line of dialogue in the same image. Also, no one is stupid enough to do that on purpose since it would take less than 30 seconds to fix by just scaling down the size of the font.

>>156325430
Which would be easier to tell if that overlay wasn't in the way. As it is, it could either be the overlay accurately reflects the original text or they fucked it up.

>>156325435
Yeah I think it's just a US thing. I can stream anything from Prime video without any further subriptions.
>>156325504
Since I'm from UK it just redirects me to amazon.co.uk video search section.

>>156325561
You know you can literally press "s" in MPC to turn the subs off, right? And if the typesetting wasn't there you wouldn't have understood what was written on the rolling pin anyway. Most of the viewers weren't as stupid as you and actually understood the joke, but none of them would have if it wasn't typeset.

>>156325561
How dumb do you have to be to think they fucked that up?

>>156325430
I know that was the joke, I was stating that they typeset her fucking signature for some stupid reason.

>>156325612
>You know you can literally press "s" in MPC to turn the subs off, right?
Yeah, that totally works on a screenshot.

>>156325661
How the fuck would you have known what was written on the rolling pin if they hadn't? And if you are not familiar with Kanji you probably wouldn't have even noticed that she fucked up the writing.

>>156325685
>How the fuck would you have known what was written on the rolling pin if they hadn't?
Well they could have, I don't know, used a normal fucking subtitle for it?

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>>156323630
Anime itself
her must be stopped

>>156325684
>>156325714
inb4 I was just pretending to be retarded.

Y'all should of learned Japanese a long time ago.
No one to blame but yourselves.

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>>156325685
>How the fuck would you have known what was written on the rolling pin if they hadn't?
Gee, I wonder how indeed.

>>156325684
Who fucking cares in a screenshot? Like serious question. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

>>156325714
How would you have know that she fucked up the size of her writing, then?

>>156325809
but anon, I did learn Japanese from watching anime.

>>156324097
Her name's Bluemountain Blue Mountain? Heh

>>156325838
See >>156325850 The joke was still lost without the typesetting.

>>156325850
>How would you have know that she fucked up the size of her writing, then?
Because even if I can't read the kanji, I can still see it?

>>156325809
Agreed, if only when I was 11 I'd demanded to be taught jap instead of 5 years of compulsory french.

>>156325312
Lurk for at least two years before posting.

>>156325916
That's literally only because you already know the joke now. Besides, what's the harm of that being typeset in the first place when you can just turn off the subs if you don't like it.

>>156324097
That is some pretty childish handwriting especially for a famous novelist

>>156325981
Have you actually watched the show? Aoyama is a complete airhead.

>>156324961
THat seems unlikely, what's the real answer?

>>156325172
you mean FFF

>>156326027
You mean CR?

>>156326007
I have but I don't remember that typesetting. It must have been another groups's subtitles. Nonetheless I stand by what I said, it's a poor choice of font for adult handwriting.

>>156325152
more like Gintama, which isn't "light" but good luck getting half the shit they reference watching it without.

>>156325968
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you seriously think I can't tell that text is big unless I've had it explained to me by the subtitles? And I can't selectively turn off the overlay subtitles, it's all or nothing. In any case, turning it off is not what I want; what I want is just normal subtitles that don't replace on-screen text.

>>156326007
It's an act, she's shrewd enough to land a book/movie deal that's paid for a lifetime of flouncing around cafes, never working again

>>156326093
>literally being this triggered because someone covered your precious japanese writing with evil western english text
Weeaboose are literally autistic, holy fuck.

>>156325809
I've tried on and off since I started watching anime when I was 12. Never got further than kana and some early grammar and the kanji for watashi and ningen.

>>156326056
That's what her handwriting looked like, though.

>>156326176
I dunno why people keep thinking this is some kind of weeaboo thing; I'd be equally annoyed by overlays over Russian text in a Russian movie or German text in a German movie.

>>156324461
>not having your PC plugged to your TV via HDMI
>not sitting in a comfy recliner while watching your chinese cartoons
Do you hate yourself this much?

>>156326224
Again, if the overlay weren't covering it, we'd be able to see that.

>>156326027
FFF is an old man on his deathbed that can only manage saying 3 sentences a day and it takes him an hour to complete a sentence.

>>156326260
The text hast literally no meaning to you at all without it.

>>156324461
>people like to get comfortable and enjoy their anime
>le normalfags
This is trying way too hard to fit in.

>>156326269
>TV
But its 2017

>>156326295
But the typesetting has an almost identical font and you can see it right there. You are literally autistic, holy fuck.

Can someone just post what the gochuumon scene looked like without the overlay already?

>>156326312
Yeah and in 2017 TVs look fucking amazing while monitors are still dogshit.

>>156326312
>2017
>not watching on an OLED screen
Even phones have surpassed monitors.

>>156326364
idc i use laptop

>>156326312
>not buying a 55" TV for the sole purpose of watching anime
Why would I settle for a PC monitor?

>>156326364

Monitors: >120hz refresh, g/freesync, superior picture quality, tiny physical size if you don't have deep pockets.
TV: Shitty refresh rates, outright lies (motion compensation further fucking things up), huge sizes, remote controls instead of a few shitty buttons on the side of the screen.

What did I forget?

>>156326309
>The text hast literally no meaning to you at all without it.
Or, say, A NORMAL FUCKING SUBTITLE. Fucking hell, did I say that text should not be translated at all? No, I've been saying it should be normal subtitles, and if you're too dumb to work out that a subtitle near a piece of foreign language text is translating that text, how the fuck do you live without someone reminding you to breathe in and out all the time?

>>156326335
Right where? Where can I see the original text? No-one's posted a screenshot of it for comparison. I can't magically turn the overlay off in the screenshot of it. I could go and dig up the episode to check, but my anime collection's in a different suburb from where I am right at the moment.

>>156326458
because your chinese cartoon are gonna like a shit and so will your cg fight scenes with your subhuman refresh rate.

Watch out for Taneli Daiz Vatanen
The public enemy of fansubbing #1
He is the main responsible for...
Crunchyroll
MX Media dropping honorifics
HorribleSubs
Leaking OreImo from ANN
Killing fansubbing in2010,2011,2012, 2013 and 2014
Hostile takeover of Commie
The development of the .H264 10-bit profile
Attempted assassination of Coalgirls and Sakura!Fish
Successful assassination of ZeroYuki, Grumpy Jii-san, and Ken-sama
Successful assassination of Steve Jobs because Mac computers could not play 10-bit
Successful assassination of the authors of ‘Kaze no Stigma’, ‘MM!’, and 'Zero no Tsukaima'
Shutting down the NyaaTorrents tracker
Humiliating Mitsuhiro Ichiki
Shutting down lolipower.org
Shutting down megaupload.com
Removing loli and rape from TVTropes
Introducing Miura to iDOLM@STER, and constantly distracting Yoshihiro Togashi
The development of the future .H265 10-bit profile
Preventing KyoAni from adapting the continuation of FMP
“That”
Pushing to ban lolis in Japan
Hindering the development of VP9
Holding subs hostage and forcing people to use Commie.
Allowing Naruto threads on /a/.
Forcing Subdesu-H to hardsub and watermark hentai.
Imposing an anime embargo on Australia
Suggesting Rotoscoping for Aku no Hana
Convincing Anno to drop 2.0 subplots in favor of action to show off 10bit compression
Sabotaging official encoders' efforts in order to make hobbyists look good
The MPAA teaming up with CODA to stop you from downloading fansubs
Formation of ISIS
Giving Iran nukes in exchange for total control of anime in Iran
Assassination of Robin Williams and faking it for suicide
Attempted assassination of Aseylum of Vers
Simultaneous kill of Nyaa, MAL and HorribleSubs
Successful assassination of Moot
made BakaBT private
assassinated BakaBT
leaked the AB code base with users' personal info
become 2D and turned into a rapist
assassinated hentai cafe
ruined the audio on Amazon's anime streams

>>156326483

Oh yeah, input lag. Show me a fucking tv with even tolerable input lag level that doesn't require you to turn on "game mode" that disables nearly all the picture enhancements the damn thing may have, further reducing the picture quality.

>>156326565
>watching interpolated garbage

>>156326608
>>156326483
This isn't /v/ faggot

>>156326646
>kys your self

>>156320278
I for one like typesetting and karaoke.

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>>156319921
>translated by horriblesubs

>>156326703
Me too.

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>>156326585

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>>156326340
Here.

Nothing really wrong with the typesetting itself per se, and it does get the joke through better in English, although if you're using XySubFilter and rendering it at 1080p or above the huge blur in the first part will likely cause slowdown (it did for me at least).

>>156323630
scanlation

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>>156326340
>>156326541
Here you are niggers. Now it may be just because I'm a huge weeb but that definitely looks off to me.

>>156326894
>>156326935
Okay yeah, the overlay was pretty much necessary then. The joke wouldn't come across to anyone that didn't know japanese. Even with my very limited knowledge I would see that and assume that's it was something like ゃ ゅ ょ or っ rather than assume something was wrong. And if I didn't know any japanese at all I wouldn't assume anything was wrong.

>>156326646
Anime isn't aired at 60 fps. You'll either have repeated frames (and stuttering if your refresh rate isn't a multiply of 23,976) or, if you're actually retarded, interpolation to "smooth" the video.

>>156326841
>that awful font change near the end

Bloody hell at least try and make it look similar.

>>156326894
>>156326935
Okay yes, now I can see that the overlay does a reasonable job of looking like the original.

But I still prefer not to have original text completely replaced like that. In this specific instance, maybe the overlay makes it easier for people to recognise how the text is messed up, but even if I couldn't read katakana, I'd be able to spot that it looks odd.

>>156326013
What was posted above.

>>156325809
>should of
and you should've learned english

>>156327292
>But I still prefer not to have original text completely replaced like that
They are SOFTsubs. you can turn them off.

>>156320607
As a practicing lawyer this post is triggering me so goddamn hard right now.

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>>156328266
>btw im a lawyer xDD
Fuck off.

>>156328310
Are you frustrated?

>>156328213
Along with the subtitles for all the dialogue, which I still want. And I do still want a translation for on-screen text, just not one that entirely replaces the on-screen text. What is so hard about this concept?

>>156318922
Gracias doctor.

>>156318922
>not just learning Japanese and only using subs for words you don't know yet

The real joke is on you, anon-kun.

>>156326646
>kys
>FZ
Kill yourself, you underage faggot

When the hell is one of these ripper groups going to post the Mama wa Shougaku 4nensei subs from Daisuki?

>>156324987
Not anon, but I don't have time to get on /a/ and scroll through threads like I used to. I still watch anime, but I don't come here as often to discuss it.

>>156326364
As long as it's an LCD panel, it's going to be shit regardless of you falling for marketing bullshit. There's no reason to make the distinction between monitor/TV, if you know your shit you'll only look at specs and reviews of the panel itself.

>>156320666
None of them have the knowledge, reverse engineering is not your usual coding shit, maybe some of their friends did it because IRC is full of nerds

Besides, I cringe very time people write "break the encryption" because it implies they have some NSA-level resources or they found a critical flaw in AES or something

"Get around the encryption" is more accurate, they simply intercept the video stream once it gets decrypted for playback (or maybe they reversed the entire licensing scheme but I doubt that), the real problem is to figure out the obfuscation, antidebugging measures and such

>>156328864
>Besides, I cringe very time people write "break the encryption" because it implies they have some NSA-level resources or they found a critical flaw in AES or something
They're probably using a device that strips HDCP protection from HDMI outputs. HDCP's encryption is a fucking joke and has been broken years ago. But that would still require reencoding, unlike crunchy's streams.

>>156329077
... if you didn't realize, the big deal is exactly because they don't have to rely on capture cards, they can get decrypted video on the motherfucking operating system level.

>>156329217
Then amazon isn't using some kind of hardware DRM?

>>156322445
Still waiting Mendoi-Conclave finished subbing Gundam 00 season 2.

>>156329250
No, that's Netflix and only for 4K video and it's only supported by Skylake CPUs because it has SGX and other DRM mumbo jumbo on some shitty Intel GPU integrated with it.

>>156329377
SGX is irrelvevant in this context I think, it's not enabled on desktop machines. protected media path and intel insider provide decoding of DRMed streams directly in the gfx card, and that has already been available since sandy bridge. Nvidia Pascal supports something similar.

But you're right, I was thinking of netflix.

>>156328578
Get with the time grandpa, FZ was objectively Godly.

>>156318922
top kekkles

>>156330110
>every single FZ defender is a troll or a reverse-troll
Every time. Nobody would actually defend this for real.

>>156321668

HS/CR quality varies. The video is frequently bit-starved compared to a TS -> encode that fansubs provide. A solution to this is to wait until BDs. CR only release one version, but have MULTIPLE translators per show, and they don't seem to have a static style. With sub groups you know what kind of style they tend to keep on the literal - liberal scale, usage of honorifics etc. You had those complaints with GabDrop last season as well.

Neither fansubs or 'professionals' are perfect. I'd just rather have the variety use used to have with fansubs and better visual quality.

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Fansubbing truly is dead. See pic related for just one example. I've been waiting on softsubbed releases of the last three episodes of Yoru no Yatterman for... going on 2 years now.

>>156320080
If so, how come they didn't released the ones form Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh from crunchyroll; they had the complete subbed version of 5D's and continuing Arc-V.

>>156333580
You could always learn Spanish

>>156333580
You know in that time you could've just transcribed HS's script and made an .ass right?

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The real issue with fansubs dying is that the 3-4 remaining groups will still jump on the same shows, leaving good shit like this without proper attention. Like Rakugo last season, these are shows that require some good editing and translation to make them watchable.

But fansubs are dead, so that isn't going to happen. There is even a lack of groups doing nothing but providing a better source of video (since tv and simulcast video have either gotten worse or not kept pace with increasingly better mastering of anime over the years).

>>156333580
Same, I still haven't finished that show.

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You just don't get unexpected moments like this with HR cr/funi rips, too predictable, and no love, no surprisingly well matching fonts etc.

Its sad to see fansubbing so ded

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>>156334993
This sort of thing can be done right (with subtlety)...

>>156335137
There was also one where something on the screen affected the subs themselves, as meta as it gets. I love moments like that provided they are used sparingly

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>>156334993
>>156335137
Or it can be done wrong (blatant and in your face).

>>156335166
Thats actually the one I mentioned here >>156335157

I enjoyed it, it was just that one time and unexpected.

>tfw is miss GRANDO SPONSOR and commercials in the middle of the episodes
RIP GG

>>156335201
It's not the subber's job to distract the viewer with silly jokes. Subtitles should only convey meaning and should be "invisible" as the viewer is reading them and focusing the majority of his attention on the action of the characters.

That said, there is such a thing as an audience who can appreciate someone trying to make him chuckle while watching an anime. Going to the premieres of Kizumonogatari taught me just how much the average Western viewer laughs, and loudly at that, while watching anime. For cancer like that, I guess subtitles that dance around the screen to the theme song of Shingeki no Kyojin are more than appropriate.

>>156328266
Why? Is he right?

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Why can't "official" subs do proper timing, especially with dialogues? Shit's way too fucking distracting.
You can excuse the shitty typesetting, but why it is so fucking hard for them to time a line properly?

>>156335529
I always wondered what people meant by this. Can you elaborate? I've never had a problem with the timing of subs, but people like herkz have autistic shitfits over it and will delete people's subs from his website because of it.

Anime was a waste of time past 2013 anyways.

>>156335647
Spending 4 years browsing /a/ when you don't even like or maybe watch anime sounds like a bigger waste of time.

>tfw don't care about all this translation drama

>>156335677
It's not like /a/ is the only board or something. I just happened to be passing by.

>>156324324
Only if the subs I have are fucking awful, or have useless information clogging up actual dialogue (radio, mostly).

I miss Commie subs

>>156335560
For example: character A starts talking while subs show lines of character A and B at the same time, even thou character B hasn't even replied yet. It's fucking dumb and sometimes confusing. Not to mention other obvious issues.

Fansubbing is dead, moot died over a year ago and 4chins is dying due to normalfaggotry and phone posting.
Will there ever be a new dawn?

>>156335817
I miss real subs.

>>156335560
Not him, but from what I've read, I think what these people mean is how some sub groups won't have consecutive lines of dialogue "snap" together so there are no subtitle-free moments on screen in between one character stopping speaking and another character starting speaking. I have no idea why this triggers people so much, and in the cases of hardsubbed cancer rips from Funimation or other HS sources that use hardsubs, it can be really fucking annoying, since you never get a chance to take a good screenshot with no subtitles on screen.

Another reason I personally hate this kind of "good" snap-together sub timing is because it promotes the entire sentence of the next character to speak appearing on screen before they have even said it all. The English translation ends up spoiling any kind of drama in the delivery of the lines by the character, if you can understand Japanese. Sometimes, you don't want to hear the end of the sentence until the character is ready to say it. If you go watch some professional subs, for example go watch old Akira Kurosawa movies, they only put each sentence fragment on screen as it's being said by the characters - as opposed to constantly just filling out the maximum two lines of text and keeping both lines on screen for the maximum amount of time like anime subbers do, which is stupid and lazy.

I haven't been following, did CR not go back on their obvious attempt to reduce the bitrate on the videos? Is that why we're getting Amazon v2s?

>>156320147
Sweden's a cunt that doesn't give a damn about copyright et cetera, I think.

>>156335958
The v2's are rips from Amazon, but the prior source wasn't Crunchyroll, but rather some other source (can't recall exactly). The Crunchyroll bitrate thing is a totally unrelated issue that has been resolved.

It's only a matter of time before the Law cracks down on HS and then we are all fucked

This is why Monopolies are bad

a single point of failure

>>156335947
>Another reason I personally hate this kind of "good" snap-together sub timing is because it promotes the entire sentence of the next character to speak appearing on screen before they have even said it all
The whole point is that only do the snap if the sentences are close enough that you wouldn't notice anyway, and if done properly, you should be lingering the previous sentence for longer and the new line should still only be appearing when the next person speak.
Watching subs constantly disappear and reappear is hell on your eyes and, where appropriate, this should obviously be done.

>>156336002
Well, the other source varied; sometimes it was TV rips, sometimes it was animelab rips or another source. At any rate they all looked way shittier than amazon and animelab was hardsubbed to boot.

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>>156336002
>resolved
can you point me in a direction or something

>>156336021
Anon, piracy is illegal in burgerland regardless. It's even a bit dubious in Canada where piracy without redistribution is legal, or the UK where I presume there are similar laws in place.

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>>156334993
>>156335137
The nicest I've seen was that one Monogatari opening where the artstyle changed between 80's and modern, and the subtitles also changed too from normal to yellow.

>>156336190
who subbed that?

I need to know which is most quality sub for Monogatari series when I start watching it all

>>156336034
This is completely ridiculous.

>only do the snap if the sentences are close enough that you wouldn't notice anyway,
When the subs are left on screen for long enough, then they will snap during the majority of the dialogue.

>and if done properly, you should be lingering the previous sentence for longer
Most people will only need to "linger" because the text on screen was so verbose to begin with. Modern anime subbers have no concept of delivering dialogue as it's spoken.

>and the new line should still only be appearing when the next person speak.
Yes, that's another aspect of the problem. These subbers are delivering THE WHOLE line, and not just each fragment, as spoken. It spoils you if you can kinda-sorta follow the Japanese anyway and are only keeping the subtitles on screen for the technical parts of the story. Also, I think English-only watchers are getting spoiled anyway because they aren't getting the delivery of the lines along with the content.

>Watching subs constantly disappear and reappear is hell on your eyes
I have honestly never thought or noticed that. Are you epileptic or something? I don't think most people find this to be a problem at all.

>>156336179
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-985103/our-statement-regarding-recent-video-quality-issues

>>156336179
Daiz's blog post had a follow up. Go find that. I don't remember where he posts his shit.

>>156324638
Not all shows have their BDs freely uploaded so you have to buy them yourself.

A few shows also only have DVD release or even no BD/DVD release at all.

>>156336263
I dunno what to tell you anon, it's standard practice and always will be, because to the majority of people subs that run on look better. Can't help that.

>>156333580
>being too stupid to rip and edit subs

>>156335887
No. The internet is dead.

>>156336190
Yes, that was pretty tasteful, IMO.

>>156336222
Commie, but you should be downloading blurays for this series anyway, and I don't think any of the bluray subbers kept that stylization. Who really cares, though? It's just the fansubber's joke, and was not intended by the people who actually created the anime.

Still laughing at all you idiots who refused to learn Japanese.

>>156336355
>"ripping" hardsubbed subtitles
You mean totally transcribing and creating a new subtitle file. In which case why would I even bother, since I'd already have watched the episodes once and it's not a good enough anime to watch multiple times.

>>156336275
>>156336295
Exactly what I was looking, thank you. A shame nothing really came from it, no surprise there though.

>>156336458
I can speak enough Japanese to follow anime like K-ON! or Flying Witch without subtitles, but military anime, period anime, or anything with higher level or specialized topics is hard for me to follow because of all the low frequency vocabulary.

>>156336469
>why would I even bother
Why would others bother for you if you don't offer anything in exchange?

>>156320101

How have you survived in the real world this long being this stupid?

>>156336458
Dude my only hobby is the most passive, most non intellectually stimulating, most uncreative, least active hobbies one can have.
If I had the willpower or energy or disciple to learn japanese I wouldn't even be here I would be on top of the world.

>>156336592
When you read a restaurant or food review that you don't agree with, do you track down the reviewer and demand that he cook you a superior meal to what he just gave low ratings? Or when you read a highly critical book review, do you track down the reviewer and demand that he write you a better book than the one he criticized?

Not all relationships need to be reciprocal. There are people who fansub anime because they enjoy doing it, and there are people who download fansubs because they enjoy watching anime more this way. Sure, it would be nice of more people were on the "creating" end of fansubbing these days, but you can't create more fansubbers by trying to shame the people who download fansubs.

>>156326075
What's the point of someone explaining a reference you can't get? If you saw something you'll get the reference, if you haven't then move on. Or just watch more anime to get the references.

>>156336901
So that the information isn't lost? That's what the subs are trying to do, convey information from one language and culture to another so it isn't lost when you watch the show.

>>156336901
if there's a reference you don't get and it's explained, you can go look into the referent
if there's a reference you don't get and it's not explained, you have to wander randomly across the entire realm of anime until you stumble upon the referent
one of these is a better system

>>156337217
>>156337491
Who cares if you can figure it out eventually. Reference humor doesn't work if you don't already know the reference before hearing the joke.

>>156337566
I disagree

>>156337670
What are you going to rewatch it and laugh about it later? No, you fucking are not.

>>156337701
Yes I fucking will.

>>156337701
>he doesnt rewatch his animes

>>156337760
>animes