Dragon Ball Super

IT'S TIME FOR THE JOBBER TO GET A RAISE

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We dose now.

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>>156261782
BANGS

>>156261835
Let's try to add a little more to the discussion than just this. I understand this may be all someone has to say on an episode they're ambivalent about, so consider if you genuinely have something worth tossing into the mix. We're really trying to and encouraging everyone to turn these episode discussion threads around into something genuinely great. We're looking for thoughtful, comprehensive analysis. If what you have to say can fit into a tweet, perhaps that's the best place for it!

We of course encourage and welcome thoughts from everyone, but we do want to dig into your mind a little more than just this. Thank you, all!

>>156261782
Why do gohanfags flip out over this stupid bang?

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Reminder that bangs or no bangs, Gohan will continue to job so long as he isn't wearing Piccolo's outfit.

Piccolo's outfit is the true source of Gohan's power.

>that bossa nova version of the theme
Insanely comfy

>>156261833
>next episode literally dedicated to Gohan
>"f-f-fuck you G-Gohanfag! xD"

>>156261869

Of course, Piccolo is best DB dad after all

>>156261782
>Up the dosage, doc.
>But Gohan-
>JUST DO IT

>>156261862
Fuck off. We can say what we want.

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>>156261782
/our guy/ is finally back

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>>156261897

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WHEN?
H
E
N
?

>>156261782
Let's try to add a little more to the discussion than just this. I understand this may be all someone has to say on an episode they're ambivalent about, so consider if you genuinely have something worth tossing into the mix. We're really trying to and encouraging everyone to turn these episode discussion threads around into something genuinely great. We're looking for thoughtful, comprehensive analysis. If what you have to say can fit into a tweet, perhaps that's the best place for it!

We of course encourage and welcome thoughts from everyone, but we do want to dig into your mind a little more than just this. Thank you, all!

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>>156261869
Cape included?

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>>156261897

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That's it. Im getting sick and tired of DBS' inconsistency.
Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.

But in Super there is a huge one, and by huge I mean HUGE.

Everyone saw the last Tournament between U6 and U7. Including Zeno.
That tournament was dominated by U7 fighters, they DID WON.
Not to mention Beerus is way stronger than Champa.
So you can't say "ningens lost, but the Hakaishin is stronger".

Now how the fuck is Universe 6 is superior to Universe 7???

> If you would say it's TOei's fault, I 'd believe that!

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>>156261864
Gohanfags flip out over every turd that comes out of Gohan's ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dQ78FH_IZ8

>>156261862
Nice pasta, hadn't seen it before, is it an original?

>>156261964
Fuck off

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>>156261782

>>156261934
I get that this is Super and to stop finding every flaw, but Zamasu is like SSJ level, how the hell couldn't Goku break out with ease? Or just IT?

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>17 asks Goku "Is my brother on the team too?"
>tfw I thought he was talking about 16 when he first said that
>tfw I thought they were going to cut to 16 chilling with animals in the forest somewhere, and 17 explaining how he was revived after the Cell games
Those few briefs seconds were the most excited I've ever been while watching Super.

>>156261945
Butthurt, Sodhi? :^)

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>>156262009
Godly Grapple is just too OP.

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Reminder that Trunks is such a racist that even Vegeta is silent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imaIKA-TOM0

Any word on when Limit break X Survivor is out yet?

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>>156261974
Why is he so dreamy?

>>156262009
Full Nelson is OP.

>>156262041
#AndroidsLivesMatter

>>156262058
Full Nelson would be using both arms together on one opponent.
These would be considered merely a one handed choke hold.

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>>156262009
Toei a shit

>>156261945
>So mad over Kanzenshuu that he has to post it on 4chan
So that confirms it, shitposters are the same.

>>156262015
Why is Rocket Punch so fucking cool?

https://youtu.be/vVfv1YctCLg

>>156262009
Goku was holding back

>>156262041
>Damn son, not even I'm that butthurt

>>156262050
infinite stamina <3

>>156262208
PLZ BE IN LONDON.

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>>156261986
ZAMASU

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>The tournament won't start until the end of May

>DBS has better pacing than DBZ, they said

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>>156261782
What a glorious day to be a Gohanfag

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>>156262247
no

>>156262143
TFS went to shit after the Frieza saga, but I when I watched this scene for the first time I laughed my fucking off. It was the first time I laughed watching Abridged in long time, and I don't think I've laughed at anything in Abridged since then

Sorry, but Gohan making some sort of grand comeback is just a meme.

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>>156262041
I want to have Torankusu's babies.

>>156261940
I honestly thought 17 was talking about him when he said older brother. Then he said Krillin. So disappointed.

>>156262304
We have had 4 major arcs in 67 eps. Kai, which removed garlic jr and pikuhan and other filler, Was 159 eps.
Dbs does have better pacing

>>156262331
Not a Gohanfag, but's fairly obvious he'll be "hero" of this arc. I wish he'd lose in the first 10 seconds, but he won't.

inb4 Vegeta gets eliminated before Gohan

>>156262379
Only because the arcs were very tiny.

>>156262385
>fairly obvious he'll be "hero" of this arc
Nah.

>>156262347
I thought CR just cocked up the translation. I imagined /a/ getting ready to burn everything down

>>156262316
It stopped being a passion project and started being a job, and like all things it goes to shit when it becomes a job

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We've had entire threads dedicated to sperging over how badly they're handling the power creep (regardless if on purpose or not) in this series, but how would you even be able to make any states when you consider what Goku can do now?

>can fly, shoot lasers, and everything any respectable superhero powerhouse can do
>can pretty much feel any life form of note entering his planet
>can teleport instantly across the universe, something MAYBE only kai-kai can replicate
>is confirmed to be universe-buster if he puts his mind into it
>is confirmed since at least the battle against piccolo that he can fight/move faster than light

If Goku wasn't as retarded as they paint him it would be very hard to actually give him a challenge without resorting to Gurren Lagan levels of ridiculousness (at which point you can argue you don't even feel tension anymore)

inb4 Hit gets eliminated by Jiren

Gohan will get a big win but he won't be the hero. Gohan will be the Vegeta of this arc, and by that I mean that he will play the role Vegeta played in the Revival of F story and get cucked out of his big hero moment.

>>156262304
There is 30 freeza-hours left, what makes you think that the tournament will start at this year?

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>>156262480
He could easily be something similar to Trunks in the last arc but perhaps toned down.

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explain this shit

>>156262570
just a big episode full of homages.

>>156262549
Why hasn't trunks gotten his new form in the manga?

>>156262472
That's what the manga did though. Nobody could challenge Goku, until someone stole his body and used his powers against him

>>156262570
K I N O

>>156262334

Isn't she like 60 by now?

>>156262517
Nope. We're down to 23:20.

Next episode looks boring as fuck. Next one after with Tien and Roshi will hopefully be fun.

>>156262570
that's convenient.

>>156262594
'cause it makes no sense that he'd get a new form by getting super angry, this is what super saiyan was originally about anyway

>>156262015
They better acknowledge 16 somewhere in this arc.
17's character development only makes sense if he's doing it to honor 16

>>156262570
Only Toyotaro does homages, the anime is completely original hadn't you heard?

>>156262570
why do they insist on writing easily avoidable nonsense

>>156262143
Rule of Cool my man.

>>156262600
Clearly she's a child

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>>156262594
Because pic related is better

>>156261964
Funny that U6 is the third most shittiest universe

>>156262479
>Hit gets completely ignored by Jiren, Goku, and just stands there, silent, hurt
>Piccolo puts his hand on Hit's shoulder, tells him "Welcome to the club."
>Vegeta crying in fetal position, shouting "KAKAROT YOU SLUT" through his sobs

>>156262590
>just a big episode full of homages.
No I mean 17 could have just fucking grabbed it like he did before.

Fuck he grabbed it from Gero, an android who could fight a Super Saiyan. This slob alien couldn't even stand up at 10x gravity

>>156261964
>Dragon Ball and DBZ was consistent as fuck. There was never a plothole at all.
Popo is stronger than Raditz.
Popo has a magic carpet.
Popo did nothing.

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>>156262600
She used to be an adult, but now she's a kid.

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Soon

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>>156262733
Didn't that already happen?

>>156262733
NOMOREWARMINGUPTHISISTHEREALDEAL

>>156262716
>Popo is stronger than Raditz.
?

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>>156262603
>mystic gohan and piccolo is boring

How come 17 knows who Buu is? Did the dragon automatically assume 17 was a part of their group and didn't erase his memories?

>>156262838
He remembers Goku's speech and giving energy

>>156262769
Not yet in the manga.

>>156262838
You know 17 has a sister, right? I'm sure she talked to him about it on the phone bitching about Goku.

>>156262852
but how?
why would shenron assume he's part of the group that gets to keep memories of buu?

>>156262808
>piccolo
No
>mystic gohan
Yes. Most useless power-up in the entire series. Fucker jobbed almost as fast as Majuub.

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>muh japanese superman

>>156262876
They've only ever talked once since then. I doubt 18 used that time to bitch about Goku.

>>156262804
Yep. Popo is officially stronger than Raditz, and has always been stronger than Raditz. Manga and guides confirm.

And no, this wasn't recent.

This was back in the Saiyan arc.

>>156262898
But that's a lie. He stayed dead to protect it.

>>156262838
Probably. Krillin did wish to remove his bomb and he's 18's brother so Shenron probably lumped him in with the others.

>>156262852
Everyone on Earth helped with the Spirit Bomb, but afterward they used the dragon balls to erase everyone's memory of the Buu crisis so they wouldn't freak about Mr. Satan's new husband or about how they were dead for a bit

>>156262898
DUBFAGS BTFO

>>156261934
what wrong with that? he was holding them maybe just for 1 sec

>>156261964
>I don't understand how averages work

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>>156262775

>>156262976
POPO: NO SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG

>>156262976
>guides
Never mind.

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>>156261897

>>156262978
That's only secondary compared to fighting strong dudes in the other world

Waiting for that comfy Trunks and Goten filler protecting the Island

>>156262654
>>156262718

>she's a child

Not unless the wish also changed her birth certificate.

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>>156262978
>But that's a lie.
Nah it's just shitty Toei writing.

>>156262472
>is confirmed since at least the battle against piccolo that he can fight/move faster than light
That never happened, speed has never been stated in the manga. You're either going by some murrican dub line, or you're equating after-images to speed of light. The later can be proven wrong simply by waving your hand in front of your face.

>>156263078
That's a real wound though, "Ouchie" is for describing the pathetic attacks in the anime.

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>>156263117
>Doesn't want to leave the island not even for a day
>Dreams of travelling through the world on a boat

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>>156262838

>>156263063
And manga.

And he had the magic carpet.

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BOOGIE BACK

>>156263155
>toei
sure fag


Wired: There’s actually “poison” inside?

Toriyama: Right. There’s how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I’ve always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn’t quite get them to grasp the elements of “poison” that slip in and out of sight among the shadows.

Wired: Perhaps that’s because it’s animation aimed at children, after all?
Toriyama: Well, that might be some of it, too.

>>156263219
>And manga.
Where?

>>156263155
He left out the 2nd half where Goku said "he also doesn't like innocent people being hurt, because of what his grandpa taught him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgTGPHG1WLg
Who is goku walking with at the beginning? Chi chi?

why can't they have an arc where all the saiyans, the androids, piccolo, and others can be equally relevant?

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>>156262472
>but how would you even be able to make any states when you consider what Goku can do now?

MISS ME YET?

Who enjoyed this comfy cap?
BOOGIE BACK

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>>156263244
>basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others

>>156263248
Training the humans.

>>156263277
yes

>>156263198
Doesn't him and 18 have unlimited energy? Why was it an issue to get enough energy for the spirit bomb?

>>156263277
That's Chi chi, yeah

>>156263277
That's clearly Bulma, the song even starts with "Tomodachi"

>>156263308
word of god> you're delusional headcanon fuck off dubfag

>>156263225
18 worst girl

>>156263078
Nothing about this is traced
The wound is drawn different
the post is different
Even the faces are different

Toyo copied the old panel but he drew it on his own. It's not similar enough to be traced.

>>156262852
>>156263198
Ah yes, remember that time that 17 gave Goku energy AFTER the wish that wiped everyones memories? No wait, that was before the wish.

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>>156263331
Calm down dude.

>>156263369

They didn't erase the memories of Goku's squad and friends

>>156262570
>17 makes him press the button

>>156263289
God no, I don't miss you in the slightest. I'm glad you're over and hope I never have to watch you again.

>>156263152
It doesn't matter. They all became babies again and everyone just see them as orphaned kids. No one will ever think they're the same old Pilaf gang that "disappeared" mysteriously.

>>156263331
fuck off idiot take your head canon and fucking go

Will someone summarize the episode for me, really can't be bothered to watch it cause I know I'll be disappointed. Feel free to also write some complete bullshit that would actually be more entertaining than the episode.

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Jiji's take on the episode

>>156262100
Damn Toriyama was a God

>>156263571
Goku and 17 bros it up and have fun times together beating up evildoers

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>Goku is evil.

>>156263571
Beerus falls in love with Goku

Unable to confess, he is gifted with a Zeno ex machina cell phone

>>156263571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLq-ii8sQGI

>>156263331
Word of god doesn't take precedent over how a character is actually written in the series. If Toei wants to play revisionist and start writing Goku different that's his business, but it's laughable to say he's being consistent.

>>156263507

The point is that Trunks is fucking a grandma in a 20 year old body.
That's just fucking weird man.

>>156263571
goku and android 17 aren't fast enough to disam a jobber and are confirmed to be killable by basic explosions

>>156263507
I don't think they even remember the Pilaf gang. Goku met them what, twice as a kid?

>>156263571
Goku tries to convince 17 using the Super Dragon Balls
Space Poacher comes and interrupts that by abducting 17's island of animals in a giant UFO.
They give chase.
Space Poacher threatens to blow himself up along with the ship.
17 decides to smash Space Poacher out of the ship along with himself.
Goku jumps out and teleports all 3 of them to King Kai's planet.
Dende telepathically speaks with Goku and says there is no bomb in the Space Poacher.
Jaco comes and takes away the Space Poachers.
17 says he wants to wish for a boat with the Super Dragon Balls and agrees to let Trunks and Goten look after the island whilst he's gone

Effectively nothing happened, thanks for your time.

>>156263781
Thoughts on the depiction of Goku's character?

>>156263571
Can't out speed a random who jobber and are confirmed to die in shitty space explosion, literally worse than GT

>>156263728
>>156263532
butthurt spics

>>156263633
>>156263648
>>156263689
>>156263747
>>156263781

Thanks.

>>156263737
Mai should be in her forties right now, that's not a grandma. Trunks is fucking a girl who is his age but has the soul of a cougar.

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>>156263878
not an argument

>>156263878
>Fuck I have no argument!!! Time to spam racial slurs!!! Triggered Spics!!!! Pedros be assblasted!!!!

>>156263617

Whops , miss-clicked the post below you buddy, thanks too

>>156263763
>Goku met them what, twice as a kid?
Yes. And Bulma pretty much only met Pilaf once (when he blew her a kiss), she didn't even interact with Mai and Shu.

>>156263854

Inconsistent, indecisive, badly written at this point. The image in >>156263633 bothers me because it feels like he has no qualms about the deaths of innocent animals and people in other universes OR it feels even dirtier that Goku either lying or using that as leverage to get 17 onto his side as an ally.

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Gonna need about tree fitty

>never going to see Android 16 ever again

fuck this gay earth man.

>People say Goku was mistereating gohan
>Goku runs to him for help after being blown off by Vegeta indicating that in his heart of hearts he's the third strongest person on the planet

>>156261869
Technically he was naked when he stopped Vegeta though.

>>156263981
GAWD DAMN MONSTUH I AIN'T GOT NO TREE FIDDY

>>156263969
you like making shit up to fit your retarded meme dont you

Reminder that in earlier sagas all powerups happened with literal years of sparring in the time chamber, ultra selective training with Gods, transformations and fusions. Super is the one that started with the completely arbitrary powerups. Both Golden Freeza and 17 are inexcusable.

GT powerlevels made 100x more sense than Super's.

>>156263981
>17 has to protect Nessy

That's got to be complicated.

>>156264011
Is he dead for real?

>>156264221
>GT powerlevels made 100x more sense than Super's.
Base Kid Goku > Super Saiyan 4 Goku
Pile of fucking bricks > Base Trunks = Buu

>>156264246

>inb4 they reveal that 17 is married to Sasquatch and adpoted Big Foot's children

>>156262526
>"Only panders to a very specific part of the fandom, that of the author's", followed by "Badly written teenage edginess", then "Downright awful with no redeeming qualities" as the bottom rung
Not that anon but I'm curious. Elaborate please?

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How are wildlife protectors hypocrites? Is this a translation error?

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>>156263155
>>156263265

>and then chose not to turn into a super sayian 3 to fight Vegeta because that would hurt his feelings

wew what a hero

>>156263277
17

>>156264265
Base Pan = Rilldo > Buu

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>23 hours left
>nobody is training in the time chamber

>>156264221
All those Zenkai boosts in the Frieza arc though.

How has no one made a pepe of the new 'villain' yet?

>>156264319
Can't you only train in there twice?

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>>156264286
>because that would hurt his feelings
u wot?

>>156264319
What a waste, they used it as a plot device for Goku and Vegeta over and over and yet they don't use it for the weaker side characters that desperately need it.

>>156264209
it's not even a meme and never was, it's the writing that makes goku seem like scheming asshole, anyone who isn't a complete idiot will see that the writing conveniently forgets the bigger picture to make goku seem like a good guy and by doing so makes him seem like a complete cunt instead

it's no meme anon it's just shitty writing

When do the fillers end?

>>156264285
It's because animals are endangered cause humans in first place, if you were an Ayy you could understand.

>>156264352
Vegeta's trained it like 4 times now. Him and Goku were in it for 3 years before the U6 vs. U7 tournament

>>156263906
>Mai should be in her forties right now, that's not a grandma.

She was about 50 when the wish was made.
Then add another 20 of re-growing up.

>>156264221
t. spic
kid goku going ss4 makes complete sense, same with fusing with your evil sense from hell. and before you bring up piccolo and kami, he was at least born from an egg

>>156264367

Well now you can just say they trained and that is enough. Fuck I hate that with a passion.

>>156264352
I think they remade a new one so the rules got reset

>>156264314
Wait so, base Pan = Super Saiyan kid Goku?
Man GT is lucky she never transformed.

>>156263433
At that point 17 wasn't anything to them anymore. Unless you wanna go the a Super route and make another shitty retcon.

>>156264319
>Yajirobe's been in there getting swole as fuck
>saves everyone

>>156264221
Funny how people bitched and called GT trash because of things like 17+17 being able to stand up to SS4. Now 17 fighting on par with SSB after training with poachers in DBS is being fiercely defended.


http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150449133/#q150451980
>Android 17 + Android 17 (with a trenchcoat!)=SS4

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150449133/#q150451533
>The power-scaling in GT bothered me a lot
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149715787/#149717068
>Two Android 17's > SS4

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/149320599/#q149341219
>Extreme power discrepancies, like Super 17's existence and Base Kid Goku being stronger than SS4 Goku at times

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/148823736/#q148831414
>Super 17 >= SS4 Goku

http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/148823736/#q148831264
>At least DBS is much more consistent in terms of power-scaling than GT
>Two Android 17's >= SS4 Goku

>>156264445
We always used to theorize that she got the mystic powerup from Gohan and that's why she was so strong without powering up.

>>156264422
>the creators of some of the greatest threats in the universe like baby and cell cannot make an android that can rival a SS4
hmm

>>156264354
>Toriyama Goku
"Look Vegeta cut the bullshit, we fuse now or we're screwed!!"

>Toyotaro Goku
"Hey we're screwed, wanna fuse? No? Ok sure, let's fight the vastly superior opponent in a one on one

>>156263463
>he says while watching Super

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>>156264408
Sounds pretty weak to me. It's not like humans are monolithic.

>>156264466

You can also argue that Shenron only could erase the memories of people weaker than him

>>156263078
Lmao traceotaro back at it again

>>156264485
This fanbase is full of hypocritical scum. I can't stand thems

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>>156264319
>Gohan and Piccolo working hard to get Gohan back in shape.
>They have one day to do it.
>They just train in a random field.

Everyone's just going to be as strong as the plot needs them to be.

> tfw you realise that Vegeta is almost 15 years older than Goku

>>156264419
>She was about 50 when the wish was made.
Mai is only a few years older than Bulma.
Bulma was 33 years old when Trunks was born, then Mai was around 36-38 when the wish was made. She was never an old woman.

>>156264485
It's funny how in those threads, the things they based the FT arc for are now things they're suddenly praising it for

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>>156264569
He's not THAT much older. He was like 5 when Planet Vegeta was blown up and Goku was a baby.

Course he could always have been a manlet.

>>156264569
I imagine eventually Toei will just write in a line about Shenron reviving everyone slightly younger over and over

>>156263463

If you watch it again maybe you'd realize what not a plothole ridden shitfest it is and appreciate it a little bit more.

>>156264534
Nobody from another world would care if humans are monolithic or not, the just need to know about all the wars and shit to judge us, just like that green faggot did, remember?

>>156264627
Plus the 7 years Goku was dead, plus all the extra time Vegeta's spent by himself in the time room

>>156264627
5 years + 7 when Goku was dead + 3 years extra in RoSAT

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>>156264485
DBS can cover its ass witth SSB having perfect ki control, meaning you don't really know how much power Goku used against 17 and how much stronger he's gotten.

How much training and then recovery can gohan get in 23 hours?

Why no magical time space chamber?

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>>156264708

>>156264279

The best of the best currently are usually hated by the majority, I could state Multiverse as an example right here - Some people consider it entertaining because it caters to their power scaling consistency, or lore expansion on minor characters, or desire for edginess etc etc depending on whatever it is, but you can probably imagine where the rest of the fanbase, including myself stand on that. I just feel it isn't true to the Dragon Ball franchise (Original and Z), and many others would feel the same.

You could say the same about Dragon Ball Minus for different reasons.

If something that good really existed out there, you'd get a lot of the fanbase singing praises about it, and inevitably you'd get the few who hates anything popular but you'd definitely see that it wasn't a completely polarized fanbase where you get outright laughed at for liking it.

>>156264708
That's bullshit fanfiction and I'm so sick of you faggots throwing it around as if it's fact.

All the ki control meant was that he can now handle Kaioken without exploding. It doesn't mean the bullshit of "he can control it even better than Base!"

Reminder that only the original manga is canon.

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The predictions guy didn't mention any of this filler...

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>>156264776
Does that mean Goku being a hero is actually canon?

>>156264744
>>156264766
Beerus had no problem holding back about as much

>>156263936
>>156263925
>no argument
>toriyama says he's not a hero

>>156264744
Well it's stupid but that's what he's doing.
Unless you think Krillin can push back a SSB kamehameha for any amount of time

>>156264569
>>156264627
Vegeta is technically 48. But if you add the time he's spent in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/RoSaT, he's 54.

Goku would be 46. But if you subtract the 7 years he spent being dead, and then added the time he's spent in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber/RoSaT, he's 43

Any edit/colorfags around?

>>156264856
Beerus didn't use his signature finishing move on people that reach less than 10% of his power.

>>156264883
so? 17 was also holding back

Okay guys it all makes sense now. 17 is god level because he has been fighting space poachers who cant even stand in 10x gravity

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>>156264951
Their ages (ignoring the time spent in the time chamber).

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This is a japanese mini monk, say something nice to him.

>>156264827
I still call so much bullshit on that statement.

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>>156264883
>Unless you think Krillin can push back a SSB kamehameha for any amount of time
Well it is Toei.

>>156264959
>so? 17 was also holding back
Everyone is always holding back unless they're in a death battle.

Since 17 is offcially stronger than golden Freezer, what was he doing when he and his army invaded the earth?

>>156262009
How was Raditz not able to break out from the full nelson a weakened Goku put him in?

>>156262838
I think 17 might've been strong enough that Shenron couldn't alter his mind. Kind of like how he couldn't turn him fully human.

>>156265035
He was holding back.

>>156265035
>Since 17 is offcially stronger than golden Freezer
He's not though.

>>156264954
you don't know his finishing move

>>156264951
>>156264986
There is no fucking way Vegeta was 2 when Planet Vegeta was destroyed. He was at least 5-6.

>>156264986
Why would the robutts be so old? Weren't they teenagers?

>>156265035
The only thing official about 17's power is that he's stronger than he was in the Android arc.
A 2 minute filler battle is not a valid method of determining how strong he is.

>>156265035
Punching poachers for more sweet EXP points.

>>156261862
delicious b8

>>156264354

>There's a limit to how long I could transform, I could've used to killed you in seconds but I didn't just in case I needed to fight stronger guys bro

Well if you put it like that then Goku's an asshole

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>>156265089

>>156265115
They were teenagers when Gero kidnapped and turned them into cyborgs. Now thanks to that, they age much slower.

>>156263286
Because we can't have nice things.

>>156264562
>Everyone's just going to be as strong as the plot needs them to be.
Yeah this. Best turn off your brain now if you haven't already for whatever reason and just go with the ride.

>>156264708
I like how you're proving him right.

>>156265115
Yeah there's no way that's true.
17 and 18 were 17-18 when they were turned into Androids, somewhere between the Saiyan and Trunks saga.
They're permanently ~18, chronologically ~35

>>156265244
Toriyama interview revealed that they still age, just slowly.

>>156265244
That means they were turned into androids a little before Piccolo Jr. saga.

>>156265169
that's not his finishing move apart from xenoverse
>>156265235
i like how you have no argument

>>156264381
When the manga catches up.

They still fighting Zamasu?

>>156263747
Thats not the problem you idget it was that they would be thrown into the vaccum of space. If they were worried about the explosion and not space, 17 wouldn't have told Goku to give his family his regards and take care of the animals when he jumped out of the spaceship with the jobber.

>>156263747
You know they were trying to save the animals, right?

>>156264518
>he thinks Super is just as bad as GT while browsing Super threads

>>156264986
How could Roshi live so long? Been a while since i watched the series.

>>156265377
in dragonball he said he drank some magic water

Why is Jaco such a jerk?

>>156265310
There's no fixed date like the last time?

>>156264757
Why do you always answer everyone's questions? Why do you think they even care about your answer? I see you doing this all the time, you spend your time and effort answering everyone. Why do you even care so much? Are you that fucking dumb?

>>156265310
Yes. Only 1-2 chapters to go hopefully.

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>>156265301
>reaching this hard
wew lad
Whatever he didn't use any hard hitting blasts.

>>156265310
>They still fighting Zamasu?
Yes, Vegetto just defused.

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>>156265091
I don't know. I'm going by the what the Dragon Ball wiki says, because I don't know where else to find the dates. Going by that, Goku was born in Age 734 in the manga/Age 737 in the anime, and Vegeta was born in Age 732.

>>156265377
According to Super filler, he eats Paradise Grass that grows in the Forrest of Terror

>>156265448
> Are you that fucking dumb?
He's a tripfag, anon. Of course he's that fucking dumb.

And finally we put an end to the "Goku would die in space". He can just teleport somewhere else.

>>156265244
>17 and 18 were 17-18 when they were turned into Androids

They're twins

>>156265448
He is an attention whore and also a few white knights care about his shitty opinions, so he thinks he is wanted by the majority here.

>>156265377
The original explanation was that he used some phoenix feather I think? He was originally going to give Goku Immortality, but he forgot to feed the bird and it died so he gave him Nimbus instead.

>>156265487
You're forgetting the 7 year gap between Cell and Buu. Goku didn't age in other world.

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GOKU CONFIRMED NOT GOOD GUY.

>17 refuses to join and says he has enough money when Goku says he'll win prize money
>decides to join when he thinks he can wish for a boat
???????????

>>156265585
>MUH STRONG GUYS

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>>156265589

>>156265448
Yes, I am that dumb. I answer as many people as I can if I'm available because I do care. Even if most of the people who ask me the questions don't care, I don't particularly mind if I helped even one person.

>>156265585
Looks like Toei is really pushing what Toriyama wanted for Goku. Good.

>>156265585
He meant that his own self interests are mainly the reasons why he saves the Earth so often. He mentions how he wants to protect innocents literally the next line

Im the only one who thinks this Survival Tournament will be a setup for something bigger?

>>156265585
I am the hope of the Universe. I am the answer to all living things who cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am truth... ally to good, nightmare to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>156265448
Why the fuck do you care so much about what he does?

>>156265589

>17 spends his days protecting the animals
>Throughout the fight with Goku he was constantly worried about them
>He even talks about his family
>Goku explains that the losing universes get deleted
>"lol whatever"

>>156263078

how many times this dude gotta trace during fight scenes?

>>156265520
how does that negate that he would die in space?

humans can last the same amount of time he did in space. It's not instantaneous death.

http://www.iflscience.com/space/what-would-happen-your-body-space-without-spacesuit/

>>156264518
>Implying Shitper makes GT better
GT is and always will be completely fucking terrible, a place where ideas go to die. I never want to see it again. I want the hours I took watching it back.

>>156264644
FUCK YOU. No, I watched it plenty, I watched it RECENTLY and I hate it even fucking more than I did before because every aspect of the shitfest is so much more fresh in my mind, because I'm older and I can see every point where it goes wrong.

So you know what?

Fuck the Black Star Dragon Ball hunt and every SINGLE fucking rehash planet they went to.

Fuck the M2 nonsense and everything from Dildo Man to Robot Navi's annoying fucking voice.

Fuck the Baby arc and all the bullshit it went through, from the magic pants to the GODDAMN SPACE RACCOONS.

Fuck Super 17 with a rusty tire iron in the goddamn dick from start to asspull finish.

FUCK the Jobber Dragons and how com-fucking-pletely pointless and boring every last one of them.

I appreciate GT LESS thanks to you hipster fucktards trying to meme it into some sort of misunderstood classic. GT is JUST as bad as everyone says it is, and a goddamn pox on your house if you claim otherwise. Its animation is garbage, its art is like something out of a bad hentai, its story is pants on head retarded, and every single time it tries to do something interesting it fucks it all up.

Fuck Goku Time.

>>156265747
It doesn't, but he wouldn't stay in space long enough to die.

>>156265664
Well at some point in this arc they've gotta deal with Zeno in some way. No way they're actually going to just delete 7 universes, there are too many established characters they'd be taking off the table. Toriyama isn't the kind of guy who just demolishes giant swaths of his established setting like that. They'll figure some way about of the destruction of the losing universes. That may resolve in a matter of minutes (Super is willing to do things like that) or it could spark something bigger (like how the Android Saga started with an old man and a robot clown before eventually turning into what we got).

>>156265002


17 is now your bother...

>>156265717
Well, why do you care so much about some anon saying what he thinks about a tripfag on 4chan?

>>156265813
I don't think anyone has ever said he would.

>>156265573
I didn't forget that >>156264951
Normally he'd be 46, going by his manga DOB. 46 - 7 years spent dead + ~4 years in the RoSaT = 43
Going by his anime DOB, he'd normally be 43. 43 - 7 years spent dead + ~4 years in the RoSaT = 40

Vegeta: 48 normally + 6 years in the RoSaT = 54

>>156265473
firstly, super didn't even say how much power he used and the anime implies that he is above merged zamasu which can steamroll kaioken ssb let alone starting SSG
secondly, yeah it probably isn't anything special considering they're saving 100% beerus until later unless he uses a really big fireball then too
thirdly, blast power being held back is nothing new

>>156261782
Daily reminder Goku is retarded.

>>156265823
They'll fold everyone into less universes. Cue a GT arc 2.0

>>156265020

Is SUper saiyan rage even canon? this doesnt happen in the manga at all... and trunks is still a regular super saiyan

>>156265809
>Fuck Goku Time
>he says so while watching Super

>>156265717
It's mindboggling that someone could be that considerate around here and I refuse to believe it. It's like watching an idiot waiting for someone to kill him because he just wants to die for whatever reason.

>>156265865
i posted this in the wrong thread

>>156265877
We don't know, the arc isn't over yet in the manga.

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The end was pretty anti-climatic, but overall this fight has been soooo much better in the manga.

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>>156264825
>Someone literally kills himself to disqualify Krillin

Please be true

>>156265736

>17 spends his days protecting the animals
>Throughout the fight with Goku he was constantly worried about them
>He even talks about his family
>He never showed up to help during the Buu saga
>He never showed up to help when Freeza returned
>They both destroyed the planet and he didn't give a fuck

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>>156265869
>he anime implies that he is above merged zamasu
The anime also implies that Beerus was scared of SSBK.
Also pic related referring to SS2 Goku.

>secondly, yeah it probably isn't anything special considering they're saving 100% beerus until later unless he uses a really big fireball then too
Whatever that doesn't change the fact Beerus didn't use any hard hitting Ki blasts on pre God tier Goku.

>thirdly, blast power being held back is nothing new
Any examples?

>>156265993


probably as retarded as chichi who rather let the earth be destroyed so Gohan can study 24/7

>>156265809
This place is a contrarian shithole.

>>156261782
test

>>156265883
YES.
FUCK. GOKU. TIME.

You fucking hipsters get more triggered than a tumblr landwale seeing a pomegranate every time you see people not worshiping the shit stain that GT is. Did I fucking say Shitper was better? No, no I fucking didn't. But you can't get past this disconnect you have that whoever insults your beloved turd is claiming that Shitper is better. I'd say keep pressing your goddamn face to that stain and claiming it smells of roses you coprophile, but actual shit would be preferable to GT.

>>156266132
>Shitper
Damn anon, I have no problem with your opinion but this pun is fucking terrible.

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>>156261782
For all the hype, they have been padding the shit out of this recruitment arc. Also 17 almost killed himself over a birthday surprise prank. They're really pushing this ticking clock plot device too. It took like 12 hours to recruit 17 but everyone else is taking like a couple minutes?

>>156266174
What else would you call this blue turd?

holy crap Vegeta is a manlet in Kai

>>156265585
You're an idiot

>>156265660
This.

>>156266050

>expecting women to understand

That was realistic

>>156265300
So Gero could have saved the Earth from the saiyans and shit

>>156266033
>Any examples?
When Roshi a master martial artist tried to use the Kamehameha to blow out the flames on that one mountain only to nuke the whole damn thing :^)

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>>156266033
I finally remembered what that shot of Gowasu reminds me of.

The only people who prefer the anime are rural and suburban retards. City people all prefer the manga

>>156265809
>>156266132
You're certainly creative with your insults. More than I expect out of /a/.

>>156265938
Was his return more visually exciting than in the anime? He kind of just nonchalantly jumped into frame like "hey guys remember me".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5NWNVn2hnc

Thoughts?

>>156265377
Roshi is immortal.

>>156264744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srJ6jMlB8-c

>>156266281
Yes, but he didn't because he was an asshole.

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How fucking big did Cell turn at this scene?

>>156266497
A big guy.

>>156266387
No that's the same.

>>156266475
They probably weren't ready yet.

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>>156266497

>>156261782
Was vegetto handled any better in the mango? Idgaf about potara nerf he just did fuck all in the anime

>>156266033
He wasn't scared but surprised that KK is a thing but that's irrelevant. Base / regular SSJ power is an undefined clusterfuck but Kaioshins were proven pretty unreliable in estimating god power especially Gowasu considering that Zamasu is somewhere above SSJ. As for ki blasts, any time they were fired without killing intent.

>>156266033
>The anime also implies that Beerus was scared of SSBK. Also pic related referring to SS2 Goku.

The anime said that ssbk was stronger than Beerus, Goku outright says that him and Hit aren't as strong as the gods of destruction yet.
Also anime Gowasu is a imbecile who can't see his own student is going to start a cosmic columbine and does nothing besides drink tea.

>>156266585
He beats the shit out of Zamas but reverts back pretty quickly, right as he's about to kill him. Though they said Zams is going to split back in 1 hour and isn't permanent.

>>156266664
Why would he split?

where's gohan-fag when you need her?
>>156261782
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THOSE BANGS FOR OVER TEN YEARS
>>156261835
underrated

>>156266702
Never got the promotion to Supreme Kai, IE he isn't tied to a God of Destruction.

>>156266702
Gowasu says it's only permanent for supreme kais.

>>156266702
because he isn't an appointed Kai

>>156266229
They're running on Freeza time until they aren't and vice versa.

>>156266664
So it's only permanent if it's 2 Kai's? At the least trunks can kill zamasu now without it being too much of an asspull

>>156266801
Only 1 kaioshin is needed. Zamasu never became a real kaioshin.

>>156266784
I was under the impression there could be only one Supreme Kai? I don't remember Kibito given that title.
Unless it's any kai? In which case Zamasu is already a kai unless there's further distinction

>>156266801
One, but they need the actual rank of Supreme Kai, like Elder Kai has.

In other words, if Kibito fused with Goku, it wouldn't be permanent, but if Shin fused, it would.

>>156266871
he was only an apprentice, not a real kai

>>156261835
>going from jobber to lesser midcarder
he'll never main event again

>>156266752
>>156266762
>>156266784
What of Elder Kai? He stayed fused and he wasn't tied to any Hakaishin nor was he currently a kaioshin?

>piccolo episode
>roshi episode
>tien episode
>recap episode
>everyone goes to the tournament episode
>other universes introduced/first fight about to start episode
how does it feel knowing the actual tournament is six weeks away?