Gundam 00, thoughts?

>>156233453

I have no idea. I personally thought S2 was awful, and the movie was some bullshit.

It was basically the Church of Scientology's philosophy come to life. Even the worse AU was smart enough not to feature ALIEUMS, because the central drama of man-on-man conflict becomes irrelevant the moment the fucking aliens show up.

>>156233618
>I personally thought S2 was awful
It was watchable but yeah, I wasn't really feeling it either.

>>156233618
I this movie worth watching for completion´s sake? It can not be worse than S2 right?

>>156233676

I have a lot of complaints, but my main complaint was how everything became more simplistic and stupid. The massive technology advantage the main characters held in every confrontation got frustrating, too.

They were never really challenged at any point, to be honest. The unveiling of stupid shit like the suicide missiles, or the escalating powerlevels, just killed all my enthusiasm. The slutty Chinese girl changing her outfit was sort of the cherry on the shit sundae.

>>156233755

It's about a fucking alien invasion, man. Metal sperm aliens who turn every fight into Missile Command, and the solution is to shit GN particles everywhere.

>>156233806
>Slutty Chinese girl
Waste of design and VA. Her character amounted to nothing like 95% of the cast. Same could be said about the freckled crazy bitch, shame.

>>156233453
IBO shit the bed but the sheets were made in silk and the room used an air breezer
00 is a pig den

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>>156233919

I mean, just fucking look at her

>>156233755
It was fun, finally they get to meet the ayy they have been preparing Veda for and the ayys are broken as hell.

>00
>worse than IBO
Shit taste is incurable

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>>156234138
Also GN-XIV is damn sexy for a grunt suit.
But if you want full series about encounters with truly alien ayy lmao and not just pointy eared/furry/purple humans watch Fafner instead.

>>156233618
>It was basically the Church of Scientology's philosophy come to life
What?

>the central drama of man-on-man conflict becomes irrelevant the moment the fucking aliens show up.
Autism. If you think that you never got 00's themes.

>>156234039
Am I supposed to like or dislike this?
I can't even tell

>>156234351
This. 00 had a lot more thought put into what it was trying to convey, and it was reflective towards current real world issues much more than IBO was.

Also, there's at least a fight per episode and good characterization for some of the protagonists, which is a lot more than one can say for IBO.

Gundam was never good. You only watch it for Tomino being Tomino.

>>156233453
Best Gundams are the original from 1979 and G.

>>156234624
Just because you choose to tackle a contemporary problem doesn´´t mean it will automatically be good. The answer the show provided in the end is nothing but morals drawn from men that have no idea how reality works. I mean if you have to resort to GN particles mind melding as an answer, god forbid that Gundamfaggots hate it.

>>156234786
The point of gundam 00 with the mind melding is that pure understanding won't work and humanity need to fundamentally change with its mindset.

>>156234525
the movie is about metal aliens coming to earth and merging with life. but they do it against humans' wills and kill them so Setsuna goes off to communicate with them all alone after further transforming.

many MANY years later, he returns to earth as an immortal metal human hybrid.

>>156234918
I personally that was really neat and a great character arc

>>156234786
The show did do pretty well to address that issue though, with the way that there are multiple sides who view differently towards the solution that a 300-year-old ded man invented to unite humanity in his vision. Even the Gundam team questions their own decisions to support CB's initial cause, and they went through major changes to go with their reasons to fight against those who abuse war or forcibly control humanity through tyranny. Just like >>156234862 said, 00 isn't about wishful thinking, but more towards understanding the motives that drive the choices for change.

>>156235048
The guy could at least use his quantum brainwave to say goodbye instead of just teleporting away for adventures to ELS land for 50 years.

>>156234568

I like it.

>>156233453
I thought Green Amuro and the Man with the Golden Hun were fun great villains, and Setsuna was a great main character. Exia and most of the grunt MS had great designs (especially the sex machines that were the GNXs). Everything else was trash, but it was fun trash.

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Did Anybody else loves Tieria's arc about how he was a blind tool of CB where he then came to question who he was in season 2 when he saw the other innovades and how he slowly became his own person while still serving CB and understanding Ribbon's group as a bunch of perversions in the system because they didn't want to understand humanity while driving them forward.

I also loved at the end how he accepted that he was just a tool that would progress humanity at his own expense when he linked to veda.

>>156235619
Tieria was already becoming a more sociable person because of the first Lockon and how he understood sadness for a human being. CB definitely would not have made it far in those 4 years if not for his change and humanly commitment to help others. At the end he does accept his role as Innovade, but he believes that they are not so different or superior to humans and implored that human notion towards VEDA so that the solutions become less robotic-like.

The dude had a lot of positive characterization much like Setsuna, which why they were the highlights of S2 to me. Also, Seravee was a badass.

>>156233453
Gundam is overall pretty awful; Turn A and War in the Pocket are the only ones that are actually good.
People hype the hell out of the original and Zeta, but they aren't really anything special.

>>156233453
Couldn't even finish Gundam 00, the characters were just completely unlikable. The premise was also really stupid and done better by other gundam series.

>>156233453
>expecting anything more than another forgettable rehash

>>156234624
Reason why most people liked IBO more is that they can better relate to underdog child soldiers wanting a better life btter than terrorists with grand plan of delusions.

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>>156233453
People give this show a lot of slack despite all the bullshit it does probably because unlike a lot of recent Gundam anime it manages to be entertaining throughout despite the fact that it becomes incredibly stupid even more so than the recent titles. As many people have stated S2 is a disappointment and the movie is just polarizing like IBO it kinda suffers for "being different for the sake of being different" rather than executing it seamlessly also like IBO its characterization is very weak across the cast HOWEVER you do wind up caring about these characters even if they're not terribly good due to S2 giving more extended focus on them. I think the fact that 00 came after CE era is the reason why people are soft on it because they were susceptible to anything after that disaster but taken as a whole its not bad, I'll say its the last time Sunrise truly tried with a AU Gundam TV anime in terms of bringing on talent on board compared to AGE and IBO.

>>156233453
Most fuckable character designs since Yas

>>156236374
Thunderbolt is the only good Gundam, the rest is pure trash made just to sell gunpla. Thunderbolt got great direction, music and characters that only say a few lines, but those lines accomplished 100x more than all the lines said in any other Gundam shows.

>>156236772
More like it came after Code Geass and people wanted more drama and action during the pause year for R2. They just consumed it without paying it any thought, then R2 came and they pretty much forgot about 00. Rightfully so, 00 is garbage.

>>156233453
I loved it, it had cool designs. But I like most Gundams including G-Reco and IBO so maybe I have shit taste.

>>156233453
Maybe half of S1 was nice, a very few episodes of S2 and the parody from the movie. Overall, 00 is kinda junk.

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>>156236912
>More like it came after Code Geass and people wanted more drama and action during the pause year for R2
That makes entirely no sense since 00 and Geass were entirely different in tone from one another and its not as if mecha anime was in a slouch that year since 2007 was the same year as Gurren Lagann and Macross Frontier. The Gundam fanbase doesn't tend to overlap with other mecha anime very well and the people who liked 00 weren't necessarily fans of Code Geass (as the gap in sale between the two clearly show) . But I'm mostly saying that 00's positive reception was more because it came after SEED/SEED Destiny at the time and people were willing to give anything a chase after that mess not so much its popularity in comparison to other titles at the same time.

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>>156233453
Gundam 00 s2>s1

>>156233453
>louise chick overcame the mind control beacuse of her love
>meanwhile renew love was apparently too weak
>setsuna became alien and mindraped everyone
oh fuck off with the retarded shit. inconsistent bs logic is all over this train-wreck. and fuck that gay ass saiji for getting out scot free even though he killed several kathalons when he squealed.

>>156237396
I guess you were not part of the normalfag club/circles then. It was pretty much hailed as the next big thing after Code Geass. Muh ending all war, muh gather all hate and etc. Overlapping fanbase was a common thing back in the days when most people couldnt stream and relied on friends for their anime fix.

>>156235619

No, he didn't. I think Tieria's arc missed the point. I sort of wished he'd learnt how to live as a human - stuck in one body, for GOOD - instead of deciding "No, I'm better off as a machine-consciousness."

More, even death doesn't traumatize him! It's really dumb how he dies in the movie, and he shows up as an AI while going "No, it's cool, I'll just pop into another."

/a/ generally enjoyed 00 back in the day, what happened?

>>156233453
Graham was the best of part of 00. Too bad he and best girl(China) died.

>>156237717
Most death in 00 lacks impact. Take fucking LOCK ON STRATOS as a prime example. Guy couldn´t let go of his lust for revenge and decided to pursue it, that costed him his life. LEL LET US REVERT THAT SHIT BY HAVING LOCKON STRATOS BE BACK IN SEASON 2. Same voice, same personalty, same face and same mannerisms. Except is his twin brother :)

Fuck that.

>>156237815
That´s a decade ago. Most of us watched more anime after that and realized how bad it actually was. Had a rewatch of this series last year with some old friends, and it was agreed that there was nothing there but simple nostalgia, 00 is shit.

>>156237604
>>louise chick overcame the mind control beacuse of her love
>>meanwhile renew love was apparently too weak
Those were completely different situations.
Louise was just mentally unstable and the perfect Transam helped her by reconnecting with Saji.
Anew was under complete control as an innovade.

>>156237927
Did you even watch s2 properly? Lyle was a much different character than Neil because he wasn't obsessed with revenge and chose his own reasons to stick with CB after he initially was meant to spy on them. A lot of his character is merely intended to show that he tries to imitate his older brother, yet it never works out well and he ends up being more depressed and serious. He's not a mere revival of Lockon, and he proved that throughout his development with other characters.

This show suffers the exact same problem as show that from Trigger that came before LWA.
>If only we could understand each other
>Hey how about space sci-fi magic that does that
>Nah we can do it without space sci-fi magic
This is something kids have already concluded before they become teens. Yet they treat this as some master revelation that no one has ever thought of. Getting real sick of this, treating your viewers as lobotomized chimps.

>>156233453
yeah it was shit and you just wasted your time watching a shit show, you fucking retard. you could've spent that time and gone on and watched AGE, the best Gundam series since Turn A.

>>156238201
Sounds good when you write it out like this. But how it was conveyed in the show was a different matter. More likely that Lockon was pretty popular character and they played his death for cheap emotions, have him returned for some extra merchandise bucks. You have to realize Gundam is a series made to sell toys.

>>156238005
I'm the complete opposite where I rewatched 00 recently and found it more entertaining when I notice all the hints and foreshadowing. There were definitely a few questionable decisions (which were mostly fixed in the special editions), but the show was a very unique take on the war and Newtype themes that past Gundam shows have explored. I don't believe 00 is in any way bad as an anime show on its own, but I guess new gundam viewers nowadays look more into the surface level of the show and miss out on the themes that Gundam was always keen on exploring.

>>156238427
I doubt anyone missed anything when they watched 00 back when it aired. The show wasn´t at that much subtle. I doubt they even knew what the word subtle meant when they made 00.

Everything is explained, everything is shoved in your face, everything is in plain sight. You never have to think, because the characters will tell you how they feel, what happened and what they plan to do. You don´t get to do anything.

I still remember that one scene at the start of S2 I think, where Ribbon just out of the fucking blue start monologuing about his plans and why the reason to why he do the things he does. I get that this is children show, but fucking come on.

it turned to pure generic shit when the Thrones showed up.

>we don't want to deal with complex plots so we'll just take the easy route and make an identifiable bad guy.

>>156238368
They had already shown that he had a twin brother midway through season 1. It was just a single and seemingly random scene, but it was obvious they were setting up something with that.

>>156238606
>To make the MCs look less like bad guys let us have people that are much more worse, cartoon level villains
Basic shit writing.

>>156238656
>They planned for it
No need to state the obvious. Making an anime episode takes more than a day planning.

what could be a cool idea is if option party members could be a thing.
like say you need to get Iwai to a certain point and he can join you
or even need to get a main character's social link points up high enough so they can join you to move on the plot

>>156238606
The Thrones were not necessarily cliched bad guys as much as they were CB's secondary alternative to speed up the conflict for unification of the world powers. They were meant to elevate the Gundam team's reputation to the point where the GN-X and tau drives had to be accepted by the powers.

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>>156238201
He was just like his brother. He too could not let go of his hate and decided to pursue and kill Allie or what his face, the guy that bombed his family.

>>156238983
You should stop viewing the show as a fan, and view it as what the writer intended. The whole idea with the Throne team was to justify the original CB team´s action. "Hey lookie here, CB isn´t all that bad since they don´t go and massacre everyone like these people here" . Don´t fall for cheap tricks.

>>156239049
He killed Ali moreso because he was a severe threat and a war monger who will never stop stirring corruption. Neil absolutely hated the world for causing its own distorted nature, but Lyle was keen on hoping on a good future as long as they get the chance, which requires Ali to be gone. He even forgave Setsuna for killing Anew to save him, which something that Neil might not have tolerated if he was in his place.

>>156239273
But what about understanding others? If he could understand Allie then they wouldnt have to fight right? Or is that only okay whenever they feel like it? You can not do this double standard shit and call it good writing.

>>156239186
But nobody believed in the original CB team or thought they were good because they couldn't disassociate themselves from the Thrones, which is something they had to bear with until it got to the point where CB was far too off from the initial promise for peace. The Thrones also got played by their higher-ups and got their just desserts, but the faulty reputation still remains and people could never trust CB until the A-LAWS took matters of life into hand.

And I don't agree that viewers should watch the show "as the writer intended" because that is just fallacy. There is no right way to watch a show as intended, and it's entirely up to the viewer on how they choose to see the show.

>>156237927
>same personalty, same face and same mannerisms.
Ah. I see you have autism.

>>156238275
>Nah we can do it without space sci-fi magic
00 didn't even say that at all. What the actual fuck are you talking about?

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I've never bothered to watch anything out of UC except G,X, Wing and Turn A but is this kinda like Victory where everyone fucking dies? Like, I'm just looking at random characters here and they all die oddly at 22 years old.

Is Gundam still killing off people for shock value? Are the MCs still gary stus?

>A show about understanding each so that we can avoid conflicts
>The last episode is about settling with the strongest and deadliest Gundams trying to kills each other
No matter how they dress it up, it all comes down to the winner is right and you do it by killing the opposition, 3/10 for nice OP and ED. Thunderbolt have spoiled me on what a Gundam show can do.

>>156239186
>You should stop viewing the show as a fan, and view it as what the writer intended
>The whole idea with the Throne team was to justify the original CB team´s action. "Hey lookie here, CB isn´t all that bad since they don´t go and massacre everyone like these people here"
What makes you interpretation correct?
The other guy's interpretation makes way more sense and fits into Ribbon's attitude way more in the second season, which was to use CB as an excuse to get more and more military power.

>>156239443
What would you rather have for good writing then? There is nothing to understand about Ali other than the fact he fights and lives off war for its own sake, and he's the exact last person who is willing to understand or be understood. Lyle killed him because he knows he can't be understood and he'll only cause more trouble for everyone, hence he's the personifies corruption that CB swore to eradicate.

>>156239443
00 never preached unconditional writing. Lyle gave Allie a chance and Allie shat all over it so he was taken out. This isn't complicated stuff.

>>156239753
IBO has one major death in S1.
S2 and everyone stops dropping like flies.

00 S1 has one major death in S1
00 S2 the main team is pretty much getting happy ending, even though one of them died, he became a almighty AI

Thunderbolt has everyone die except the two MCs.

>>156239818
The idea is that pure force is unsustainable and a new force will arise.
00 Focused on continued force being guided by understanding while ascending humanity, which is why they had the GN particles create innovator.

The idea was that Ribbons would push the world forward with this force but he would do it without understanding.

As someone that has not seen double O. What is this understanding you all keep talking about?

>>156239968
>Thunderbolt has everyone die except the two MCs.

You were talking about major deaths at first, then suddenly jumped to that.

There is no major death in Thunderbolt, and the ones who were killed were nameless soldiers who are in no way significant because only the 2 MCs mattered.

>>156239983
00 Focused on continued force being guided by understanding while ascending humanity, which is why they had the GN particles create innovator.
Wait what? Been a while since I last saw it. But I thought the main point was that humanity denied ushering in the age of innovators (since they would more or less be killed off). Ascending humanity was what Ribbons wanted.

>>156240132
>Thunderbolt has everyone die except the two MCs.
> the ones who were killed were nameless soldiers
> 2 MCs mattered
Yes and?

>>156239968

>Everyone dies in Thunderbolt

I'm an animefag only but from what I can recall none of the major character die. The Zeek doctor just ends up being shell shocked, the other Feddie bitch ends up alive after the gun shot and the two MCs are cool.

>>156240188
The age of Innovators was never going to stop the forecoming ELS invasion through sheer power (as shown by that one guy who got fucked almost immediately in the movie). Humanity (through the CB Gundam team) knew that this wasn't the solution, which is why they stuck with Aoelia's philosophy to use both Innovade and GN particles to communicate and understand the ELS.

>>156240255
And you ignored all the deaths in those two other shows mentioned beyond the major ones just to hold bias for Thunderbolt.

>>156240276
Was Thunderbolt not just about Jazz and PopJazz? Everyone dying was just fine since the show was about these two. Or did Jazz´s bitch survive? I remember Popjazz´s ship being blown to hell.

>>156240489
Jazz's bitch was shown to be alive in some clinical pod shit and Popjazz's bitch was retrieved from the ship just before it exploded but ended up with brain damage.

>>156240450
>Thunderbolt is about Io and Daryl
>00 is about the 4 CB team + Sumeragi
>IBO is about Mika, Orga, SpaceGuts, Biscuit and so on, Tekkadan.
Do you want to count whathisface with the crush on one of the deck girls and the deck girl as major characters?

>>156240566
Well then. I have to rewatch it again soon.

>>156236815
Thunderbolt was meh outside the animation. Also shit OST unlike most Gundams that usually get part right

>m-muh jazz
Shit music is shit

>>156240662
There are new OVAS on the way but the new Gundam just looks fucking terrible. Still going to watch them though. Thunderbolt is waaay better than the usual shit Sunrise releases.

>>156240380
ELS invasion? I guess the movie is a must watch to get a conclusion then.

>>156240747
>new Gundam just looks fucking terrible
Are you talking about the new OVAs of Thunderbolt or a new Gundam series that is coming soon?

>>156240606
With Thunderbolt, you mentioned the MCs who are in different sides of conflict, so it is only fair to mention major characters on the enemy side for those two shows as well.

But it doesn't matter anyway. The number of deaths, major or not, do not determine the shows' quality over each other.

>>156240816
Atlas Gundam. The new one from Thunderbolt.

SETSUNA IS A GUNDAM !

>>156240849
What are you on mate? He asked a question about death and I answered. How did you assume a shows quality over something like that?

>>156240972
Sorry, I just assume you were holding bias for Thunderbolt because of the way you phrased the answer, as well as the lack of mentioning major deaths on the enemy side.

>>156240924
SETSUNA IS GUNDAM
TIERIA IS VEDA
LOCK ON IS NOT HIS BROTHER
HALLELUJAH IS ALSO ALLELUJAH
MARIE IS ALSO SOMA
SEIJI HAD NO COMEUPPANCE
LOUISE HAD NO COMEUPPANCE
RENEW GOT FUCKED BY SETSUNA
FELDT WILL DIE ALONE
SUMERAGI IS A WHORE
BUSHIDO IS GAY
CHINESE GIRL DOUJINS ARE GREAT
NENE DOUJINS ARE GREAT

god what a horrible horrible show.

>>156241137
>Enemy side
IBO: That Indian guy died I guess? Rustl and his loyal bitch made it. Choco was actually on Tekkadan´s side, which I forgot to mention.

00: Patrick I guess? But he wasn´t important. Setsuna´s old mentor? His was just fucking around. Or you want to count all the innovators, the traitor bitch and her slave brother?

No one has mentioned it so what do you all think about Marina Ismail? Worst female princess lead?

No matter how poorly executed 00 was, it's not bad enough to be compared to IBO.

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The only good thing about the movie was Patrick's married life.

>Childhood´s end
>00
What is it with writers and their hate for aliens that want to lead humanity to a better future? We are the bad guys all along.

>>156241655
What?

>>156241697
Is a novel turned tv-series recently. Aliens come to help humanity, people get pissed and so on.

>>156241655
The aliens were going to assimilate humanity as their natural form of understanding out of desparation from their lack of home. Fighting against them was like going against an immovable object, so the only way to stop their assimilation was to just communicate through quantum brainwaves.

In some sense, ELS reflect a more primitive humanity that lives by its own natural laws.

>>156241768
Nothing new.
The son of God came to save humanity and they crucified him.

>>156241890
Cocky bastard, serves him right.

>>156241768
But ELS didnt come to help humanity. They stumbled upon our solar system by chance and were attracted to earth by the now growing population of people using quantum brainwaves.
It's frankly a misunderstanding, ELS try communicating by assimilating but the process kills humans and so the humans fight back because they dont understand that the ELS want to communicate and only see it as killing.
When Setsuna solves the misunderstanding the ELS stop doing that and co-exist with humanity.

>>156237716
>normalfag
Using normalfag as argument doesn't prove your point since normalfags are susceptible to anything also anime was still very much a niche back then due to streaming being pretty much non-existent so it wasn't that big. Also its a fucking Gundam anime, GUNDAM is a big name in thr anime community in case you didn't know.

>>156241459
00 at least had some well animated action sequences.

>>156241433
Many hate her. She's just incompetent and does little beyond existing. I find her much less insufferable than Kudelia at least, she wasn't aiming for ridiculous goals that weren't her responsibility, wasn't thirsty for the unwashed MC dick, and the show brought her to the bottom where she belongs.

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>>156240188
>I thought the main point was that humanity denied ushering in the age of innovators
By the end of the movie 40 percent of the population were innovators, anon.

>>156240782
The movie is the perfect conclusion to Setsuna's character arc. How have you not seen it yet?

>>156240070
The movie took symbolism for idiots to the extreme when shapeshifting aliens that were gonna rape mankind into oblivion transformed into a giant flower to tell them that they suddenly were into peace after MC gave them some talk no jutsu.

>>156241139
>NENE DOUJINS ARE GREAT
I need proof.

>>156242969
>The movie is the perfect conclusion to Setsuna's character arc

I HAVE BECOME GUNDAM

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>first and only Gundam series to finally introduces ALIENS for the first time
>underwhelming assimilating aliens that agree to peace because LOL MISUNDERSTANDING WE JUST NEED TO *COMMUNICATE* AND *UNDERSTAND* EACH OTHER

I will never forgive them. For this and many other things they did wrong, at least with S2 and the movie.


The only thing they did absolutely right with 00 is introduce what still remains in my view as the best couple in the entire Gundam franchise.

i'm just here to remind everyone that Athrun Zala is undefeated in SEED mode

00 was my first livewatched show on /a/. It's not that great (most gundams aren't desu), but Graham was an absolute gem and Ali was a pretty great villain. Flags were sexy as hell too. Then for some reason they got rid of all three of those in the second season.

>>156233453
>And what are your thoughts on it?
It's garbage. The beginning wasn't bad when it was more about politics, but then it dropped the ball and became generic space battles. It was also badly made with too much reused footage.

>>156237716
>It was pretty much hailed as the next big thing after Code Geass
No it wasn't. People kept saying it was Wing 2.0. Back then people were still riding off the high of TTGL which broke out of anime fandoms to getting the attention of people who didn't watch anime regularly

>>156241139
>CHINESE GIRL DOUJINS ARE GREAT
>NENE DOUJINS ARE GREAT
This is true.

The only good thing were the girls.

>>156243386
Just go watch Macross nigga. These aliens were fine apart from the ceap designs.

>>156233618
Shit taste: the post.

>>156233453
S1 was good, S2 went to shit.

FOOLS!! SEED AND SEED DESTINY IS THE BEST GUNDAM SERIES

>>156233453
Fuck off IBOfags. Shitting on other gundams won't change the fact that IBO is the worst gundam ever.

S1 of 00 was great
S2 went back to the same old fashioned Gundam tropes so it was shit
Movie with metal sperm aliens was fucking retarded

>>156245032
>>156245654
Super shit taste: the ultimate posts

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>>156233453
>>I enjoyed the death scenes in the second half
Ultimate shit taste confirmed.
Why don't you go back and continue to suck Okada's menstruation leftover?

>>156245654
>same old fashioned Gundam tropes
Like what, Newtypes? That was already hinted since S1. The space battles were pretty top-notch too, with episodes like the first Momento Mori assault being great thrills.

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>Mister Bushido
who thought this was a good idea

Newtypes are dumb and gundam is bad prove me wrong

>>156245654
agree 100%

>>156246137
>literally the same character in season 2 as he was in season 1
>completely ignore his constant talk about Asura, fate, bushido and shit like that late in season 1
>probably ignores GN Flag purposely looking like a Samurai with its elongated horns too

Stupid casual.

>>156246137
S2 was nothing but a gigantic meme generator.

>>156243466
Too bad they shat all over Graham, only guy that deserved a good ending.

>>156249759
>>156249721
>>156246137
Literally retarded.

>>156246137
>The crazy warmonger being beaten like nothing
>Everyone has a Gundam
>The Chinese siblings existence and arc being resolved in 5 mins and under
>The new Gundams having worse gimmicks
>The entire meaning of having Nene survive but have her do nothing and then kill her off
>AYY LMAO
A lot of things that made it in S2 bewilders me.

>>156233453
It came right after Gundam Seed Destiny. Anything that comes after GSD will look like a masterpiece no matter how bad it is.

After getting your share of emo Shin getting rekt by sidekick Athrun that keeps changing sides and is indecisive as shit and losing his main character role to Kira Jesus Yamato while Kira throws his naruto like speech that makes Rei abandon all his beliefs of his life and make him shoot the guy he swore his life to, any series no matter how bad written it is will look good.

>>156249973
>this entire post
>everyone has a Gundam
Arche was based off the Zwei which was still salvaged with its remnants for Ali being Ribbons' head enforcer and private assassin/bodyguard. Nena still has her fucked up Drei, the rest of your post is bewildering stupid because Wang was indicated in season 1 to not be solid in her loyalty to CB and Ribbons saw through her bullshit.

>not liking Aliens

Glad to know 00 even after all these years still filters the morons like you out in the open.

>>156250077
00 looked good no matter what came before it, GSD had nothing to do but padding it out even more.

>>156245553
Has there been a rise in 00 shitposting since IBO? If you go on /m/ it's definitely been occurring but not so sure outside /m/.

>>156239753
Try G-reco

>>156249973
>The crazy warmonger being beaten like nothing
Who? Ali? The guy should have remained dead anyway.

>The Chinese siblings existence and arc being resolved in 5 mins and under
>The entire meaning of having Nene survive but have her do nothing and then kill her off
God those were retarded and S2 was full of this kind of dumb shit.

>>156250716
There's a weekly anti-00 thread by the same shitposter on /m/ every week since a few months before IBO's first season premiered. You can tell he's also posting in here because you can see same posting patterns and matching time zone over and over again with other parallels.

>>156251910
>no cockpit shot of him dying
>"stay dead"
Learn to mecha more.

>Chinese siblings
The brother was a minor character who barely did anything in season 1 to begin with outside of a few very sporadic action scenes. Wang is covered >>156250347.

Nena's existence was to justify her useless already came at an end after Ali slaughtered her brothers and her misguided attempts at revenge and not settling down is why she died a pathetic death in season 2, which is poetic as the message is simple and concise.

Cry more.

>>156233453
>the true Gundam was 00
I've never heard someone saying so blatantly a lie like this, definitely shit taste in its purest form.

Do yourself a favor and don't listen to this friend of you anymore, go and watch 0079 all the way through Unicorn and you'll see what the "true" Gundam looks like.

>>156250347
>I lack reading comprehension the post
Breath, in and out. Try again.

>>156251910
Not understanding that 00 is deep and everything is great. Kys.

>>156252125
>Conspiracy nut
00 faggots everyone.

>>156250347
>>156252125
I´m glad you take anime seriously, but Gundam 00 is just the wrong series to pick for that. I´m sure you can see more reason to why certain things happened more than the script writer. Gunpla is gunpla, the only new show these last two decades that have soul and heart put into it, is Thunderbolt. 00 is just adult men playing around with the idea of war and what would be fun to include in it. The chink siblings were obvious dead end and they just decided that killing them off would be the fastest way to get them out of the picture, the other girl might was just kept around because dicks did the thinking. Killing her off was also to clean the big picture for the grand finale.

>>156252428
>>156252428
(You) aren't good at this, retard.

>>156252125
>Hanging around /m/ every week
That place should only be visited when new Gundam airs. Places with high concentration of one subject/interest without much variety is pure cancer.

>>156252428
You are literally shoving your head so far up your ass you have no idea what you are talking about or completely probably have no clue about the Zetaspammer either.

>>156253062
To be fair, they were right about IBO being garbage. Same with A/Z and CA.

>>156253209
I was there when the last couple episodes of IBO aired. People liked it well enough. Of course people shit on shows that have finished. But is no wonder really. They paced out the tragedy porn nicely with each episode having one two important characters die.

Reminder that Patrick was the true hero of 00

>>156233453
I like Jihad-kun. I have some gripes with it at some parts but overall 00 as a whole is good, far from perfect though. I think it's a good entry point into the franchise.

>>156253383
>People liked it well enough.
Not really.

Neither on /m/ with the majority or even here. Only places that seem to have some kind of almost universal level nonsensical attraction to IBO is unirionically MAL and ANN.

The show was really bad.

The fact Nagai and Okada both rewrote the endings multiple times just to wipe the slate clean and nothing ended up happening really indicates how much of a wasted story IBO had. Not even getting into its awful production values and Studio 3's continual downward spiral post-Mizushima/00.

>>156253741
No, Gundam was.

>>156253791
>Threads with people enjoying and having fun with the airing episodes
>Post last episode coming to the conclusion it was a good ride
>N-no
Autism. How do you measure it? Obviously is rated highly on the Gundam scale for majority of people. And the minority hardcore Gundam faggots hate it.

People liked it well enough seems like a good statement.

>>156253791
Contrarians disliking something popular, and water is wet, sky is blue somewhere in the world right now and sun is hot. Ranked #250 on MAL. Pretty much indicate that is quite good for most that watched it. I thought it was a shit show for many reasons, but I would say is good Gundam show. Speaks volumes on how bad Gundam shows generally are. And it did the job. I had Barbatos ordered.

>>156237927
>Same voice, same personalty, same face and same mannerisms
Every single time. Fucking retards.

>>156233453
Babys first Gundam show. Impressed by mechs and new ideals they had never thought about. As easy as that. Is shit.

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>>156233453
You posted this exact same fucking post on the IBO thread on /m/ you big dummy with the exact same picture.

>>156252125
>There's a weekly anti-00 thread by the same shitposter
This thread is literally just >>>/m/15458894

>>156255349
>>156255352
OP here. /m/ was dead and I thought hearing /a/´s opinion would be a good thing too. No need to go berserk because I disliked your favourite show. This is after all just me wanting to see what others people liked about it.

>>156255200
>Not the first post from this IP.

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>>156233453
>people responding to copypasta that's still up on /m/
Can we all just admit that Graham was fucking cool

>>156256028
He was cool until he went and put on a mask over his cool scar, accepted the name mr.bushido and went 100% weeb chunni.

>>156233453
Because Sexia is the best looking Gundam, period.

>>156256423
Ribbons Gundam was a lot sexier after he revealed it´s head.

I really enjoyed 00. S2 was weird, especially the second half. But overall it really was enjoyable and connected to the important issues back in 2007.

Honestly watching it makes me feel like I'm back in 2006-2008.

But to be fair, it was one of the first anime I watch alongside FMA 2003, Inuyasha, and Welcome to the NHK.

>>156256923
>FMA 2003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYj5zwfdM7g

>>156256923
Isn´t the issue relevant today? But if you want to talk real life parallel the show without much doubt paints a prettier picture.

>Refugees in war torn Europe countries seeking help and new place to live
>People are understanding and says okay
>Refugees starts feeling entitled and waste the free water and food they get (happened in Germany) by spilling it all out demanding better quality food
>People starts to get angry
>Racism starts happening
I hard to be understanding. In real life is a one-way street.

>>156233453
Does someone have the complete plan of celestial being ? They always talkking about different phases and the fiew people who seem to know their real goals are insta-kill.
I've just finishes S1, I don't know if I will watch S2, I'm in two mind with that show.

>>156256923
>>156257057
Fun fact, both OO and the 2003 FMA are directed by the same person, Seiji Mizushima.

The man is great when it comes to action.

>>156256514
Its called Reborns.

>>156256119
Literally the SAME FUCKING CHARACTER. There is no change between Bushido in season 2 and late season 1 Graham outside of the mask. The entire fucking thematic is that the mask doesn't do anything.

>>156257274
Season 2 is fine. Its nowhere as bad as naysayers claim it is and has a lot of good fight scenes, build up, and plot twists. It does default to a more generic following of AU and UC stories before it but it does not cripple the show at all.

>>156257323
>OO

And yes, Mizushima also did Baccano iirc.

>>156257471
Why does he wear the mask though?
Seriously. The scientest guy even calls him Graham at first then stops and corrects himself.

>>156253791

/m/ hates everything that doesn't have hand-drawn animation, just look at how they slobber over shit like G-Reco and Captain Earth.

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>he/him

>>156257571
Stop projecting your Otakuking hate boner on us.

>>156257471
Thanks, but how about celestial being master plan ?

>>156257556
Because Graham was already becoming progressively psychologically imbalanced, obsessive and unstable as season 1 progressed. He goes from being a relatively well adjusted if hot-blooded soldier to a guy who spouts out stuff like SURPASSING ASURA and having his Over-Flag/GN Flag resemble a samurai. A lot of which sets in after Howard's death.

I really wish people would catch on the fact that Graham gets nutty for a reason.

>>156257690
You haven't watched Season 2 right? This would basically spoil the entire thing for you but whatever I guess you don't care. The entire point of Aeolia's plan was to advance humanity technologically, Celestial Being would show up and wage an ideological war and armed intervention that would rightly see them targeted as extremists and dangers to the world. This would cause the three block superpowers (AEU, Union, and HRL) to unite politically, economically, and militarily to destroy them. So the original plan before Conner's tampering and meddling was to see CB destroyed, mankind united into one government, and unified for the coming "dialogues" i.e. aliens.

GN technology being passed down to the rest of the world would also help accelerate the evolution of humans into Innovators, so communication with more advanced life-forms from beyond the Earth could be done via empathy and telepathy.

tl ; dr CB and the Meisters were scapegoats and sacrificial lambs to make the world hate them, cause them to join together, and then political rivalries and things like religion and race would stop mattering.

Nena Trinity is my waifu

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>>156257943
>tfw you will never go on a honeymoon with Nena ruining other peoples weddings

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>>156246137
It represented the seconds season's themes of perversion of progress, made Ribbons seem even more controlling and evil, and it made his recovery in the movie even more epic.

>>156249653
this too.

>>156252695
>Killing her off was also to clean the big picture for the grand
No. It was to show the despair that Louise would have with her life no matter how hard she fought.

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>>156233453
your friend obviously has shit taste. 00 is garbage. I cared more for the side characters than the actual main cast.
>MUH GUNDAM WITH SPARKLES

S1: the gundam boy band activate their sparkles and homosexuality and go around the world using the power of GUNDAM to stop wars and this goes on for 20 episodes until the faceless men get tired and build their own sparkle gundams. 00 finally gets interesting because Celestial boyband finally gets their shit kicked in. Stuff happens, some mooks die and one of the main cast dies but it doesn't matter because he gets replaced with his twin and we have a decent final fight for the final episode. The storyline with Saji and his PTSD waifu was more gripping than the actual main cast.

S2: The band gets back together and Setsuna becomes even more I am Gundam than before now with more sparkly asspulls and a storyline worse than S1.

>>156233453
i personally think that 00 S1 is based but wentdown to hill in S2

But still it got a fair balance in both story and action, that's a plus point for 00

>>156233453
I just finished 00 after dropping it after the first season years back. It's definitely still better than IBO even with the asspulls, mind control and telepathy.

>>156253791
>Nagai and Okada
Personally, i think IBO was decent until after the Armor was destroyed. After that it truly turned shit, it was obvious Nagai and Okada where fucking it up and forcing changes in characters personalities, and real world consequences for Rustals actions just get what they wanted, not what was in keeping with the story and previous developments within it. They went for 'realism' and ended up making it too unrealistic even from a story making point of view. Even Ioks death felt forced.

Truly a waste of good gundam designs and settings just to give the director and writer what they wanted instead of the audience. I was willing to tolerate it until after their radio shows and interviews proved how much of a mess it truly was.
Its sad that i think of the ending and forced developments on par with the likes of Valrave. At least IBO was consistant with itself for almost 40 episodes while Valrave was dodgy all over. But the endings are similar in what just happened because it happened instead of decent story telling and development.

S1 of 00 was fantastic. S2 and the movie have things that could've been done better, but was still enjoyable overall. 00 wasn't perfect, but it was a good Gundam overall.
True Gundam is the original UC Era

>>156234013
nah flip that
>okada
>silk sheets
funny joke

why does nobody understand the movie's glory?