Should i watch the monogatari series?

Find out for yourself. i'm not your mother.

>>156201660
Really good haremshit.

>>156201660
It's both really.

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>>156201660
I dropped bakemonogatari when it was airing, thought it was utter shit

gave it another chance 2 weeks ago and watched everything in 1 week

its really good

But what is so good about it that makes it different of most harem (supposedly)>>156202220

>>156202332
its funny
and interesting
and pretty
and eargasm seiyuus

>>156201660
I thought it was mediocre until I watched Kizu 1-2-3. Puts things in perspective and makes it feel less pretentious

>>156201660
Series literally starts off with a pantyshot and is filled with fan service. /a/ has no idea what pretentious means they just slap that on anything that tries to have anything other than a standard anime plot.

>>156201660
Is there a chart about how to get into this? At this point it seems about as huge as Gundam.

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>>156201660

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Only if you like character development, lots of words, and monster stories.

>>156202332
The SHAFT direction fits well with the writer's oddball tendencies. The show has a surreal, otherworldly appeal to it. The arcs have better plots than 95% of other LNs as well.

It is a harem but it doesn't really feel like one, apart from the fanservice scenes.

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>>156202332
different from most harems is that MC already has a gf

everything he does with other girls can be seen as part of comedy / fanservice

said comedy and fanservice with fetishized characters is very self-aware (is that the word?) - specifically made to indulge otakus

also it has an actual story - which harems for the most part don't have

>>156202962
galax.moe/monogatari

I mean it's the first harem where I found myself lusting after the guy and not any of the girls in the harem. No homo.

>>156202962
airing order is as follows:
>bake
>nise
>neko
>monogatari season 2
>hana
>tsuki
>owari season 1
>koyomi
>kizu
>owari season 2

>>156202962
Its not, its give or take a few around 7-9 seperate "seasons," some of which are four or so episodes long

>>156202332
It's basically written like a book. The dialog, the events and the twists are very fantastical and extreme amount of attention is put into character development while absolutely no attention at all is put into irrelevant background characters

It all creates a very unique way of telling a story seen nowhere else in anime

>>156201931
this very much

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>>156203129
We don't blame you anon.

>>156203376
what the hell is this twilight

It helps that the MC is one of the most likable harem protags of all time

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It's really cool if you like awesome animation, fan service, good dialogues, good art, good plot, amusing characters and all of that. It's very... honest i think would be the correct word, the main character isn't a common naive paragon of justice, neither the other characters, i love how they realize their own flaws on dia/monologues and talk about it.
To watch it i strongley recommend you to watch it in airing order, otherwise you wouldn't catch everything. Also, this way the movies came right in time (they happen befote everything, but while you watch the series the hype for the movies jusy grow and grow a boner big af).
I recommend this to any young adult that is not familiarized with anime but have a good taste, even more if they are kind of pretentious: monogatari takes a lot from the french new wave of the 60's
>hey anon, suck a dick, it's shit
It obviously isn't a museum piece of art, but it's cool and enjoyable af. I like it.

shitty pretentious pseudo harem through


avoid this bullet and go for the next anime, tiger

>>156203682


>good dialogues
holy shit, this isn't a meme; monogatari fanbase are really this stupid

>>156203706
>hurr durr im retarded

>>156203682
It's a little questionable at times. I wouldn't recommend it to someone who has never watched anime before, but I would recommend it to people who have. Ultimately I get a little worried with all the blatant lolicon pandering that anyone i recommend it to will think I'm a lolicon.

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>>156204215
>not being a lolicon

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>>156204215
Hachikuji's sexual harassment is the best part tho

who wouldn't lick her all over

>>156204215
Dont forget that they will think you have a thootbrush fetish anon

>>156202332
Pretty good dialogue and actual developed characters unlike most anime in the same genre

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>>156204215
>2017
>not liking the cunny

>>156204374
Does /a/ have something for lolis?

>>156204410
its not a crime if nobody find out

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>>156204308
>>156204374
>>156204377
>>156204410
Of course I am a bit of a lolicon, but it's not something I want other people in real life knowing about...

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>>156204438
/a/ is not one person

personally I always hated lolis because they're annoying as fuck and their voices make my ears bleed

but snail girl is a nice nonetheless

>>156202332
>harem
I love this epic meme.

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>>156204438
You might be on to something.

>>156203744
Sir, i think you don't get the point. I'm not talking about quotable stuff, deep thoughts or shit like that.
90% of the show are dialogues, the scenes and even the action developes by dialogues, the conflicts are resolved by dialogues, the characters develope themselves by dialogues. I appreciate you developing your point.
>Ararararagi
It's obviously not what i'm talking about.

>>156201660
Watch it and form your own opinion.
Those threads are worse than rec threads. Remember to sage and report.

>>156204215
This, the very first shot of the series is a 20-second look at Hanekawa's pantsu, intertwined with half a second bits of japanese text. It's not something for total beginners

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>>156204741
shitsurei, kamimashita

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>>156204215
>Ultimately I get a little worried with all the blatant lolicon pandering that anyone i recommend it to will think I'm a lolicon.

>not wearing your heart on your sleeve

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>>156201660
I just finished it last week. I want my time back simply put.

The biggest problem isn´t that it is harem, the problem is that it is pseudo harem. The main girl has already won three episodes in, yet the girls pile on MC dicks with every new story arc. Is just so fucking boring and annoying to know that the new girls have no chance to win the MCbowl, no matter how much better or worse they are. Is just fucking boring.

The only reason I could stomach this trash was because of Shaft. No meme here, they got the direction mastered. Good angles to never make it boring for the eyes, shifting perspective so the viewer doesn´t look away, and of course details when it matters.

The pretentious shit? Honestly not really, is the fanbase, the faggots here and the faggots at reddit + MAL that act like this is not a harem show, that because the Shaft masterfully handled the directing and that Nish handled the source material, that all of that somehow negate the fact it is another shitty harem, is just dumb as fuck. Is wordy, but most of it are hollow words without much meaning, no emotional impact.

By the by, all the conflict in the show is linked to the girl wanting to jump on the MC´s dick. Too bad none of that matters, because MCbowl was after first girl showed up, yet the players stay to compete over fucking nothing. Fuck majority of the people here to be too retarded to admit it.

>>156201660
Yes but just ignore the mystery aspect of it because it literally doesn't matter

>>156201660
>it's just a pretentious shitty harem
Sounds like you've already watched it mate.

>>156201660
Pretentious shitty harem. The protagonist is Shiro, even has the whole YOU ARE TOO GOOD OF A PERSON WHY DO KEEP HURTING YOURSELF schitck down. Kaiki is the only good thing about this shit.

>>156206228
There is no MCbowl, that's your own retarded headcanon.
>fanbase
stop basing your opinions on other peoples opinions

>>156206344
Cause everybody talks about how deep it is thats why i wonder if its really delivers or if its just stays in that pretentius aka ( triyng to be something more than it is)

>>156201660
>pretentious shitty harem
we should divide this into three parts:


>Pretentious
Accurate. A lot of first world problem blown up into astronomically huge proportions. Roll your eye and yawn at or cry when the sad music cue comes.
>Shitty
No satisfaction from watching it. Accurate.
>Harem
Classic marry-go-around harem. Accurate.

>>156203192
Is it recommended to watch them in the airing order?

>>156206536
>No MCbowl
You must be a fucking lobotomized chimp. That´s the entire problem I pointed out. Pseudo-harems are the worst kind of harems.
>Ask if it´s pretentious
>Explaining why people call it pretentious even though the show isn´t pretentious
>HURR STOP EXPLAINING THE SITUATION
No need to act like a retard just because you felt like I called you out.

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>>156206228
>watched monogatari
>only sees harem mcbowl
Dude, i think you can't see farther than your nose.

Pretentious garbage with obnoxious fans

>>156201660
Here is a fast rundown on how this thread will be like
>crab a shit
>i-is not a harem
>i-is not pretentious
>2deep4u
>X is best
Really. This is one of the few franchises that you will see no difference for asking the same thing either on leddit or on /a/. Most guys are drunk on the koolaid. Is a harem, is better than most harem, is without doubt pretentious. There. Decide if you want to watch it.

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It's very deep.

>>156206744
Absolutely. The experience is way better. And it's directed to be watched that way.

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No one who actually enjoys the series ever tries to argue that it's deep and yet the pretentious meme persists.

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>>156206901
>Not watching it for quality time self-insert spends with the girls
You must be a faggot.

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At least give Kizumonogatari a chance. Glad I saw Part 3 in a theater 2 weeks ago.

>>156207027
If you cant see depth this has over most harem series then you are too blind and didnt watch the show.

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It's amusing how much butthurt this masterpiece causes on people that can't see more than harem/mcbowl on it.

>>156201660
Best girl (Bat) loses. Pack your back and go home already.

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>>156207044
I said that he can't see further than that, i'm not saying that that topic alone is bad my nigga, i love it too.

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>>156207027
As you ordered
>>156207138

>>156207138
>>156207233
I honestly would have dropped it faster than a boiling pot if there was no cute girls and ARRR was a girls.

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>>156207242
>this series has more than romance in it
>pretentious

>>156207242
I didn't say it is deep, because it's not. In fact everything is clearly as the day. But in the overall i think the show have a great value.

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>>156207108
no blu-ray till july

>>156207340
Your call. But i'm glad you didn't.

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>>156207138
not going to lie. i just wanted to enhance the doujin experience. there wasnt all that much hardcore stuff, but that multipart ntr series with almost all the girls was worth it.

>>156207419
I thought it was Kizu BD in June, next season in July.

>>156207342
>Harem=romance
>It has more than harem
If you want to watch it because of Shaft, SZS is the right pick.

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I watched Bake only, I thought it was pretty decent.

I'll get around to the others in time but I can't be bothered right now.

>>156207027
>No one will say it is too deep unironically
How new? 2017 Jan? Enjoy your stay anyway.

>MUH HAREM
Harem ends after Nise.
>cat formally rejected
>monkey is just for bantz
>snek is autistic shut-in
>snail gets sent to the afterlife

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>>156207517
>series with romance in them are only allowed to have romance and nothing else

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>>156207484
Here you go

>>156207617
>>snail gets sent to the afterlife
Not for long

These threads are cancer. Anything but waifu shitposting isn´t worth having a thread. Speaks volume of the franchise, but that is what happens when your show is nothing but cute girls. Anyway, Snail and Crab are shit.

>>156207484
nah, its coming out on July 12
and owari pt 2 starts in july too

>>156207699
YOU ARE SHIT MOTHERFUCKER

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>>156202332
based mc

>>156207646
You can have a harem without romance.
>>156207617
Day where harem are only harem if all the guy ends with all the girls never existed. When we talk about harem shows is always about one guy and a heap of girls interacting. In this case several of them wanted the D. Just because the story progressed and some dropped doesn´t change the fact that it is a harem show.

>>156207820
>are you an italian?
kek

>>156207765
>Annoying possessive cunt that shows up only to cockblock
>Not putting out jailbait
Shut it.

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>>156207699
>waifu shitposting
I think you haven't read this thread at all, shitface. Believe or not, we are actually discussing the quality of the show. For the record, it's good.

>>156202644
KIZU 3 WHERE?

>>156201660
Three words, TANABE Kyou Netoraregatari. Put 40 hours of your life and get the greatest fap ever.

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>>156201660
I found parts of Bake and Nise a chore to get through but S2 was unironically really good.
It probably doesn't help I can't take Arararagi seriously because he sounds like Shinji from Fate. (same seiyuu)

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>>156207933
Nah. Discussion on this is futile effort. Neither side will change opinions. Is either 3deep5u or haremshit. But, hey, fucking crabshitter, what should I expect?

>>156208052
>I can't take Arararagi seriously because he sounds like Shinji from Fate. (same seiyuu)
I can't take any role he plays seriously now because I just hear Araragi every time.

>>156208052
How do you ever watch new stuff? I mean I don´t imagine Kaiki being Lockon Stratos and Arara being faggot Tieria Erde Gundam MEISTERS. Well, now I do.

>>156208186
>Not Kou Ichinomiya AKA Recruit
Pleb.

>>156206228
>yet the girls pile on MC dicks with every new story arc
Examples? The 3 people who have loved RRG romantically are Hitagi, Nadeko and Hanekawa, and 2 of them loved him from the very start. None of the other 20+ characters introduced throughout the rest of the series love him romantically.

>all the conflict in the show is linked to the girl wanting to jump on the MC´s dick
This is a straight up lie. Did you actually watch the show?

>>156204438
If by something you mean a boner

>>156208388
You can make a pretty solid case for Shinobu too, but she's not exactly gunning for Araragi.

>>156208465
Shinobu loves him as a partner who's optimism and acceptance gave her a 2nd chance at life (or death, depending on how you see it). She loves him, but in a far stronger, more abstract way than just the teen puppy love Hitagi and Hanekawa have for him.

This show for sure has an split opinion!

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>>156208388
also I see nothing wrong with girls wanting to fuck Araragi - wanting to fuck him doesn't automatically mean they love him

his body is in top shape thanks to his vampire powers and all that

>>156208388
>4 girls
>Not enough to form a pile

>all the conflict
Sure, a hyperbole but:
>Hanekawa stress first thought to be just the parents but it was also from loving Ara
>Second Hanekawa for being jealous and not getting her feeling out
>Nadeko and her reluctance because her of her crush. Which made her fuck up the ritual or whatever when she decided to do it herself
>Nadeko again with her love for Ara now with other things added on
>Kiss shot muh world not worth living without muh Ara, destroys the world
>Crab making deal to save Ara
I´m sure I missed a lot more.

>>156207685
How long until we get her back, in terms of adaptions before the relevant arc?

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>>156208533
>Disillusion Bat faggots
Holy shit can you guys discuss anything without putting one fav girl above another. Love is love, do we measure it now with some kind of ruler?

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>>156208533
>Crab and Cat´s love are nothing but puppy love compared to X
I remember why I avoided these threads.

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>>156208706
Next season, july

>>156208845
Thanks anon, I look forward to watching it with you!

>>156203192

Different anon but this order then. Like Would I miss anything by not reading the LN if they are translated? Just wondering, I usually go for the source material then the anime.

>>156201660
Just fucking watch it and decide for yourself.

I hate this mostly because Shaft is stuck with this franchise. There are a lot of good works out there that would have been great with their studio. Shame.

>>156201660
Both, and also it's massively hit-or-miss from arc to arc. Some of the best and worst arcs are scattered around the beginning and end of what's been animated so far for example.

>>156208724
Atleast he's not one of those people who think Koyomi & Shinobu have a father-daughter relationship somehow.

>>156209029
Shaft makes plenty of other stuff, which /a/ typically doesn't pay attention to because you're all a bunch of hypocritical memers to be honest.

>>156208724
Since when are you here?
The ruler is trash/not-trash.

>>156208653
girl in your pic is kind of a bad example then though since she really is in love with him

>>156208657
There's only 3 girls not 4, and you outright stated that every girl in every new arc wants his dick, which is outright untrue. There are 17 female characters with on-screen appearances throughout the series, meaning that there are 14 of them who aren't romantically in love with him.

>Hanekawa stress first thought to be just the parents but it was also from loving Ara
This does involve romantic love for RRG, but as you said yourself, there are other, more important factors there.
>Second Hanekawa for being jealous and not getting her feeling out
She was jealous of literally everyone for having far better lives than her miserable one of domestic neglect and abuse, this conflict isn't caused by her love for RRG at all.
>Nadeko and her reluctance because her of her crush. Which made her fuck up the ritual or whatever when she decided to do it herself
What are even talking about? Nadeko is in love with RRG during Bake, but her actual conflict isn't caused by that at all. She got cursed by a bitter classmate who she rejected and had to sort it out on her own because she didn't know anyone related to the supernatural at that point.
>Nadeko again with her love for Ara now with other things added on
Presumably you're talking about her trying to kill him in SS, which is stressed again and again to not actually be caused by her love for him. She uses her love for him as an excuse to justify her own insane actions, but in reality she's just crazy. The entire point of her character arc is that she doesn't really love him at all, she's in love with the idea of being a maiden in love herself who's always a damsel in distress and can get away with anything, and she basically picked him at random to be the target of all that. It's still related to her loving him, but the entire point is that it subverts that and makes it into something more complex and twisted.

Continued next post.

>>156208657
Shit just got real, mate >>156209578

>>156209157
>Atleast he's not one of those people who think Koyomi & Shinobu have a father-daughter relationship somehow.
or Karen-chan

>>156209578
> There are 17 female characters with on-screen appearances throughout the series,
If you have 1 guy, 17 females, but only a handful of other male characters it's a fucking harem.
Romantic interest isn't necessary at all.

Here's a simple litmus test: Does the gender ratio make sense at all? No? It's a fucking harem.

>>156208979

Also about this what subber should I go for. Is there like one that has most of them?

>>156210469
2 guys. Don't forget best girl Kaiki

>>156208657
>>156209578
>Kiss shot muh world not worth living without muh Ara, destroys the world
This has nothing to do with her wanting his dick, and I don't think she does. She loves him as a savouir who stopped her from killing herself and gave her a reason to live. He could be a woman, he could be an old man, he could be a talking fucking cat for all she cares, her attraction to him isn't mainly romantically as a man, she just loves him as her hero and partner who gave her a 2nd shot at life after years of depression.
>Crab making deal to save Ara
Wanting to save your boyfriend from being murdered is a conflict that stems from your love for him? No. The conflict stems from the fact that they were both going to be fucking murdered, nothing to do with that they loved each other. They could've been complete strangers and the conflict would've stemmed from the same place.

And, after saying all that, the fact remains that you only listed a few of the conflicts in the show. You didn't mention
>Hitagi's trust and abandonment issues
>Hachikuji's regrets for not having lived a fulll life before she got trucked
>Kanbaru's jealous hatred and unreturned love for Hitagi
>Shinobu's depressing past of constant bloodshed and loss
>Karen's fake justice as a pretend hero
>Tsukihi's fake nature as a pretend sister
>Hanekawa's domestic neglect and abuse
>Kanbaru's inability to decide what she wants to do in life
>Rouka's regrets after her suicide and need for fulfillment in death by tricking everyone she meets as a ghost
>Nadeko's insanity and need for a crutch to give herself a reason to live
>Hachikuji's dillemma when faced with accepting her own regrets and disappearing to save her friend
>Hitagi's complicated feelings for Kaiki, both her nemesis and the man she needs to save everyone
>Kaiki's feelings of guilt and regret for not being able to save Hitagi and resignation to become a villain so that she doesn't view him as a failure of a hero

Continued next post.

underages and manchilds think is deep because flashing words and bad camera direction.

>>156210469
It's not a traditional harem though, since he gets a girlfriend in the first few episodes and the vast majority of the girls don't see him as a love interest

>>156208657
>>156209578
>>156210581
>Yotsugi's struggle with her own identity as a human when she's immortal and often has to kill human-like beings for her job
>Kagenui and Tadatsuru's conflict over who should look after Yotsugi and what purpose they should use her for
>Sodachi's absolutely tragic life and her fight against the crushing pessimism and neuroses that have resulted from it
>Seishiro's possessiveness over Shoinobu and his need for her approval to validate his existence
>Shinobu's struggle to face Seishiro again after years of him being gone and knowing how he'll react when she rejects him
And most importantly
>Araragi himself's suicidal, counter-productive drive to be heroic and help everuone he meets

None of which relate to people wanting Araragi's dick.

>>156210469
That's retarded logic. K-on isn't a harem. Berserk isn't a reverse harem. The works of Shakespeare aren't all reverse harems.

>>156211005
You can frame the conflict between Araragi, Shinobu, and Seishirou as a love triangle, even if it's a non-conventional one. At the end of the day it came down to two men fighting over the affection of a woman. The arc was also hinting pretty hard that there are some romantic underpinnings to that relationship, even if neither party really wants to do anything about it for the foreseeable future.

>>156211295
I completely disagree, but even if I agareed with you 100%, that's only 1 example out of the many I listed, and it still wouldn't be related to anyone wanting RRG's dick, it'd be related to RRG and Seishiro wanting Shinobu's pussy.

>>156211282
>K-on isn't a harem.
Make that argument if there was a dominant male character
>Berserk isn't a reverse harem.
Berserks gender ratio is sane, don't even know where you got this idea from.
>The works of Shakespeare aren't all reverse harems.
No shit, harem as a genre didn't exist and didn't exert influence on contemporary authors.
Now it does, and it does.

>>156211454
>Make that argument if there was a dominant male character
The male characters in Monogtarai aren't more dominant in the narrative than the female ones. It's actually the other way around. Araragi only makes cameos in some arcs and one of the main complaints you could make about the series is that he has far less development than the girls.
>Berserks gender ratio is sane, don't even know where you got this idea from.
Golden Age Berserk had many male characters and few female characters. Hell, modern Berserk features two dominant male characters surrounded by female characters, which by your logic equals a straight harem.
>No shit, harem as a genre didn't exist and didn't exert influence on contemporary authors.
Now it does, and it does.
Irrelevant by your logic that an unequal gender ratio + one gender being dominant = a harem story. The Taming of the Shrew is a reverse harem by this logic.

>>156208388
>>156208653
So do we just ignore Karen because she's mostly comic relief sister-tier? She pretty clearly does "love" him beyond just wanting to fuck him

>>156210581
>Nadeko's insanity and need for a crutch to give herself a reason to live
I think people misinterpret snake a lot, which is probably the reason people host such unjustly hatred for her. She grew up with parents that baby the shit out of her, they dress her in cute clothings, give her cute toys, take cute photos of her, but never once really seem to care what she wants. She's constantly portrayed as putting up fake smiles, and being generally awkwardly accepting of her situation. This further extends into her school life, where she has almost no friends, and everyone just thinks of her as that shy little awkward girl that would never hurt a fly. She's used to a life where someone else takes care of her responsibillities and makes choices for her, and thus begins a crush on a boy she know she can never have because it means she won't ever have to take responsibillity for other people's crushes on her. Then suddenly she recieves a curse, and although the curse is taken care of by Araragi, it creates a new situation where she is suddenly the only trustworthy person in her class. Something she has never been taught to deal with, and something she has been desperately trying to avoid being seen as. Then, Tsukiji finally takes away her one final defense against taking responsibillity for things, her awkward look. THEN, after all hell breaks loose and Nadeko goes to look for the talisman as a last resort to get away from all responsibillities, Motherfucking Shinobu decides it is a perfect time to taunt her that she'll never go through with it

Nadeko didn't just suddenly go insane, she's not just a selfish asshole, she was slowly pushed into insanity by her parents and friends by never being taught to be independent.

In the end it was her one single dream of becoming independent that saved her, her dream of becoming a mangaka

>>156210529
Just remembered I had these, I guess I can spoonfeed since that's how I got them
They're pretty old though, from back when I asked /a/ the same questions
https://pastebin.com/jDD9Ls99
https://pastebin.com/bqJqpP57

>>156211789
You know full well what I mean. Stop arguing all sorts of bullshit border cases you KNOW no one is discussing.
> The Taming of the Shrew
Is this an anime influenced by anime culture, of which harems are included? No? Why even bring it up when talking about what makes a harem a harem?
>Golden Age Berserk had many male characters and few female characters.
Makes sense, it's a band of mercenaries. Araragi isn't going to an all-girl school, where's all his male friends? Why are all his friends female? That's weird. It's a harem.
>Hell, modern Berserk features two dominant male characters surrounded by female characters, which by your logic equals a straight harem.
Lets see. Male: Griffith, Guts, Serpico, Isidro, That guy with the blacksmith daughter, Puck. Female : Caska, Sheirke, Sonia, Isma, Farnese, Female!Puck
Seems roughly even to me. Don't know where you got the "Berserk is a harem" idea from.

>>156212073

Thanks

>>156210581
>and resignation to become a villain so that she doesn't view him as a failure of a hero
That's not why he does that, or atleast it's not the main reason anyway. Even if Shaft animated it the other way around, Suruga Devil came out before Hitagi End. He does everything he does because he's still asshurt about Tooe.

>>156211825
She has a boyfriend. She's not seriously interested in Araragi, even if she might have an awkward sibling crush

>>156211825
I don't think she does love him, and her "wanting to fuck him" is just comic relief.

>>156203417
its LITERALLY anime twilight

>>156201660
Shitty harem

ararararagi makes me feel so insecure that I can't manage to watch it

Mostly because I did weight training for four years in high school and even at my absolute peak (bench around 290) I was not nearly as good looking as he is with zero apparent effort.

>>156212103
>Araragi isn't going to an all-girl school, where's all his male friends? Why are all his friends female? That's weird. It's a harem.
Araragi is a loner. Up until he met Bat he didn't have a single friend. Male classmates exist all around him of course, but they are never portrayed on screen because they are irrelevant to the story

>>156212414
>but they are never portrayed on screen because they are irrelevant to the story
That's the point.
WHY are so few males relevant to araragi?
Why is araragi surrounded exclusively by cute girls? This isn't a bad thing, but it DOES make it a harem.

>>156212103
Yeah yeah, just ignore my actual point about how Monogatari doesnt fit your dumbass criteria and continue focusing on sarcastic examples you yourself think are "bullshit".
>Is this an anime influenced by anime culture, of which harems are included?
You can claim that Monogtarai is an anime influenced by harem anime (which it is, mostly in parody) but just calling it a harem story itself becuase it features mostly women is reductive, unrepresentative, and retarded.

>>156212411
He's a fucking half-vampire, he literally put in zero effort, it's magic. Stop being self-conscious about fantasy fiction.

>>156212465
But the whole point of harems is that the girls love the MC. The MC here is more of someone that helps people with problems, like a glorified apparition doctor

>>156212497
Harems with shitty protags make me mad because they should be autistic hikki losers in high school
Harems with decent protags make me insecure because I could never look as good as arararagi.
I'm pretty sure its a natural response but I might just be on the spectrum.

>>156212465
>it DOES make it a harem
That's some low standards for harem. I guess then if a hypothetical MC has a mother, a sister and a girlfriend and he spend most of the time at home it's a harem as well because he has 3 girls/women around most of the time that probably cares about him.

>>156212557
it doesn't matter, i was fit as fuck but i am literally in the spectrum.

>>156204438
Just looking at all he JC threads we've been making.
We're full blown pedophiles.

By we're I mean /a/. Not me.

>>156212557
The only option left is to watch harems with lesbian protags, preferably lolis

>>156212304
>She has a boyfriend
Only time he's ever been mentioned is Tsukihi saying that Karen's ignoring him to go do other things. In the story that's from her POV there's no mention of her boyfriend.

>even if she might have an awkward sibling crush
>“Nii-chan, Nii-chan. We won’t be able to flirt with each other anymore after I become a high schooler next month, so let’s try feeding each other mouth-to-mouth one last time!”
Uh-huh. It's just you guys downplaying something that muddies the arguments you're making as usual.

>>156212307
It's love except for when you guys start arbitrarily deciding what is and isn't love to suit what you happen to be saying at the time, yeah.

>>156212608
?????
I was (am) fit as fuck but still don't look anything like araragi or Arnold Schwarzenegger.

>>156212557
uno farto

>>156212471
>and continue focusing on sarcastic examples you yourself think are "bullshit".
>Is this an anime influenced by anime culture, of which harems are included?
But I literally proved your berserk example wrong, and western media doesn't have any stake in the discussion on japanese media.
Should I have spoon fed you and said my definition only applied to japanese media?
>>156212521
>But the whole point of harems is that the girls love the MC.
I disagree. The girls don't have to love MC for it to be a harem.
>Gender ratio out of whack without a good explanation ( only male in formerly all female school is not good explanation, nor is sole male survivor of virus that only kills men )
>>156212575
>I guess then if a hypothetical MC has a mother, a sister and a girlfriend and he spend most of the time at home it's a harem as well because he has 3 girls/women around most of the time that probably cares about him.
Well YES.
Where is his father? He has a girlfriend, but no male friends? Why?
And good luck selling that premise without harem/incest undertones.

>>156202644
lairuu!!! watched kuzi 3?
read LN of kizu is very good, movies are mehh

If you aren't an edgy 14 year old who watches it to jerk off to the characters you'd see it for what it really is, a pretentious fap bait slideshow. Inb4 you autists start screeching at me.

why the fuck is this thread still alive

@156212744
spouting buzzwords isn't worth even a (you)

>>156212650
We're downplaying it becuase it's something the story, the characters, the author, us as the audience, and you should treat as a joke. If we included every little joke a series makes in serious discussion of the overall sory arcs of that series, the discussion would last forever and never go anywhere. Because you're not meant to be taking those jokes seriously in the first place. They're jokes.

>>156212827
>posting like a cancerous crossboarder

Typical shaft fangay.

>>156212827
all I hear is REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>156212717
Anon, you did it again... I can't help but feel like you're ignoring the parts of my post which actually relate to Monogatari being a harem or not. Have you actually seen the show?

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>>156212827
>REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>156212639
I did like yuru yuri quite a bit

>>156212650
She's closer to Araragi than your average sister. However both she and Tsukihi mentions their boyfriends by name several times.

What she and Araragi has is nothing more than playful teasing between brother and sister. None of them ever intend it to become more serious since they both have a partner

>>156212948
>Have you actually seen the show?
I watched bake but that's it
Still came across as a harem.

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>>156212827
>n-no u !

>>156213071
the whole show is long as shit so I can't blame you for not watching all twelve seasons if you didn't like the first

>>156212744
>buzzwords the post

>>156211876
Yes, she didn't just go insane suddenly, no one does that, it's always a slow process of other people's treatment of you slowly wearing you down. But by the time of Otorimonogatari, she had lost her grip on reality and had been using her love for Araragi as a crutch to justfy her feelings and actions. And yeah, her want to create gave her hope for the future and allowed her to stop using that crutch and regain some sanity.

>>156213125
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
the post

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>>156213087
>>156212956
>>156212926
>>156212879
Easiest ones I've had all day

>>156212744
>says something retarded
>"Inb4 someone says I'm retarded"

>>156213001
Cute girls doing fun things is a winning formula

>>156213156
>I was just pretending to be retarded
step up senpai

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>>156213156
(you)

>>156201660
Nah, its shit.

Watch Katanagatari instead.

>>156213166
>REEEEEEEEEEEE not everyone shares my shit taste

>>156213256
t. anon who started it all with >REEEEEE stop liking what I don't like post

>>156213256
I think it's past your bedtime

>>156213071
Bake is the part of the show which borrows from and makes fun of harem shows the most, but even then it's missing the crucial elements and the appeal of a harem story. It's focused on building and developing its characters as their own unique entities, not just as the MC and sluts who orbit the MC's dick. Half the time it's hard to tell who the MC is. Araragi is the one constant character and the narrator, but the stories themselves are focused on the drama and emotions of the girls, making Araragi feel more like just an unimportant observer whos watching the main characters. But of course the biggest part of his character is that he's not just an observer. He humbly portrays himself as one, but in reality he's a wannabe hero who's constantly inserting himself into other's lives and causing problems for them, and that's the overarching narrative that links all the girl's short stories together.

But after that, the series ditches the linked together short story structure anyway, and Araragi often fades into obscurity, letting other characters be the constant narrator for stories which are entirely their own. And to answer your question from way back:
>Why is araragi surrounded exclusively by cute girls?
A. He isn't, there are several other male caharcters.
B. Nisioisin likes cute girls, and the character's genders are irrelevant to their arcs and narrative purposes so why not make them female? Sodachi Oikura, Araragi's childhood friend who apperas later on was originally meant to be male, but Nisio changed the gender simply because he wanted another girl and knew that the gender wouldn't affect the character in any way, so, again, why not?

>>156213737
>Araragi's childhood friend who apperas later on was originally meant to be male, but Nisio changed the gender simply because he wanted another girl
Yeah, because it's a harem
> knew that the gender wouldn't affect the character in any way, so, again, why not?
But it does effect the character. Genders are not equal. Just the fact of having a non-family male/female relationship adds sexual tension by default. This is common sense.
And because monogatari is a harem, even the family relationship isn't enough to avoid the sexual tension.

>>156212222

One last thing then just go for commie subs if not them is there any other group?

>>156213931
Commie only has good subs for Second Season. Go for basically anyone else for the other parts.

>>156213889
But it literaly doesn't affect her character and there's literally no sexual tension between them. She hates him with a passion for claiming to be such a nice guy and living (what looks to her to be) a perfect life while she had an utterly tragic one that he abandoned her in. Unless you're a tumblr-tier shipper who sees sexual tension in every relationship regardless, then there's nothing there. And if you were such a shipper, you'd still be seeing sexual tension there if they were both male anyway.