>>156019695
entire dragon ball super
>>156019695
Gon-san
>>156019695
Any of the schtustaffel volstandigs in bleach.
>>156021544
Take your redditfrog someplace else.
>>156021681happy?
>>156019695
>>156022338
I actually like this who would of that he of his power would be that great doesn't matter though in the end he just got cucked from the story.
Although that is one of the most memorable episodes to me.
>>156019695
>Make an arc where the main villain is a demon who was once human
>He became a demon to obtain eternal youth
>Main crux of the arc is how it ultimately corrupted him
>Genkai literally begs Yusuke to not to do the same thing as she dies
>Culminates in Yusuke rejecting Togoro's choice and saying he looks forward to growing old with Keiko
>Next arc
>Yusuke becomes a demon
>Heavily implied he got eternal youth along with it
>Yusuke doesn't even care, just wants to go to demon world and get his fight boner on
I know not that clear cut since Togoro actively chose to be come a demon while it just sort of happened to Yusuke, but way to shit on an entire arc's worth of character growth and lessons.
>>156019695
pretty much this retracted everything about working hard naruto
>>156023126
>>156021408
I'd bite but I don't have the picture sorry guys.
>>156023429
the way he treated keiko infuriated me. keiko rightfully BTFO'd him before he left.
>>156023565I CAN'T GET BACK TO HER UNTIL I KNOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>156023524
I couldn't stop laughing. Stopped reading Naruto but still catched up later. In like 3-4 chapters we learn that the shinobi are descent of aliens and that Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnation of two of them. And of course we are supposed to believe the story has always been about that even though there was no build up at all.
>>156021408
>>156023126
Gon-san and even O my rubber nen at least make some sense given the framework of nen. At least go for the low hanging fruit that is Nanika.
>>156023988
Nanika is less of a power up and more of a retarded plot device
>>156023917
>of course we are supposed to believe the story has always been about that even though there was no build up at all.
true I mean they did kinda imply every other character that came before and were similar to naruto and sasuke had that chakra to futhermore just taking a shit on their hardwork.
but does kinda explain why everybody is naruto and sasuke.
>>156023524
Naruto is a manga about a main cheating character who in the end didn't get the girl he vowed to get, and submit to fate, proving that Neji was right all along.
The whole damn story was about a failure of a character.
>>156023429
Think of it as metacommentary for how Togashi was feeling after being forced to continue the series. The Dark Tournament arc was about idealistically not sacrificing everything in order to be the best where he'd pretty much gave up his passion, integrity, etc. by the time the Demon World arc came around and just really didn't care anymore and was just in it to give people what they wanted.
>>156024360
This is how you spot a salty NaruSakufag.
>>156023063
He is the strongest human in the world, the problem arises from the fact he is best friends with demon lords and gods
>want to mention Toriko and it's retarded escalation
>remember that it executes it in the best most gratuitous way possible
Though I will mention giving EVERYONE that vague Back-Channel quantum manipulation power was stupid.
>>156023917
Toriko did something similar, turns out those bird/lizardmen things from before the timeskip were actually AYY LMAO trolls who have been 'ripening' the planet for thousands of years like a fruit, hence all the weird food-like changes that took place in the natural environment (vegetable gardens in the sky, ponds filled with soup stock, seas of wine and beer)
>>156024360
>Neji was right all along.
oh shit I completely forgot destiny is pre-determined, maybe thats why kishi killed him regardless he was a perfect character to kill at that momment.
>>156024546
I think he was referring to obito.
>>156024607
I don't get it from a power leveling sense or their cause they always on the same page as far as who the bad guys were.
what do you mean?
>>156024360
>get the girl he vowed to get
Hew didn't vow anything in regards to her. The only real goals he never shut up about in the manga was getting Sasuke to chill and becoming Hokage. He achieved both.
>>156024627
>>remember that it executes it in the best most gratuitous way possible
It's done with complete lack of substance or build up. Made it feel empty, shallow and pointless.
>>156024693
>Neji robbed of an I told you so moment by random death
>>156024060
People need to stop crying about Nanika period.
>>156023063
>I actually like this who would of that he of his power would be that great doesn't matter though in the end he just got cucked from the story.
I feel like I lost IQ points just reading this
>>156028281
ok
>>156023063
>I actually like this who would of that he of his power would be that great doesn't matter though in the end he just got cucked from the story.
What?
Anyway, it was just a stupid plot device that showed up 2 times and then never showed up again. As soon as Kuwabara, Hiei and Kurama were trapped by Sensui's loverboy it was so obvious how it would end. You would think that SACRED ENERGY would be this huge deal but nope, it's never mentioned again after Sensui dies.
I will say that the entire concept of conditions in nen doesn't make any fucking sense. Who are they making these conditions with, some secret nen god? All you have to do is promise to yourself to use your power in a certain way and you get a huge power boost? Stupid.
>>156028547
Yeah this one is stupid too.
>>156028547
Water forced through a tiny hole comes out faster. Same premise.
>>156028667
No it's not.
>>156028547
Nobody else's fault but your own if you're that dumb.
>>156028491
I was typing fast I apologize but I'm sure you got what I meant.
anyway didn't Koenma say that Yusuke's energy was similar to Sensui's in the final arc of course it still wasn't explained but it was still got mentioned. I guess it doesn't with the outcome his fight.
>>156028769
>anyway didn't Koenma say that Yusuke's energy was similar to Sensui's in the final arc of course it still wasn't explained but it was still got mentioned.
It's said that it's a mixture of spirit and demon energy
For whatever reason it takes on that same yellow hue
>>156028547
Pretty sure the conditions are less about the contract itself and more about the resolve. I imagine if someone tries halfassing some condition, regardless of what was put up on exchange, it probably would mean much if they weren't serious about it. Nen can also act independently of its user, so most likely the contract is with themselves to solidify their resolve as nen is an extension and reflection of the individual.
>>156019695
The entirety of Dragon Ball Super.
>>156023917
>shinobi are descent of aliens
Just the Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki, and Kaguya clans.
>>156028885
Yeah but chakra is the result of kaguya eating the magic apple or whatever
>>156028809
But what I'm saying is it doesn't make sense because it doesn't seem to come from any sort of physical source. It's like creating new energy
>>156021461
What was wrong with them? They were Yhwach's elite guard, it made perfect sense for him to have OP power-ups.
Luffy's Gear 2nd
>inb4 HURR bla bla
That powerup was created between the Ao Kiji encounter and Water 7, so it was like 2 days max off panel, without any training and it also doesnt even fit the character of Luffy to think about his DF powers.
It was the definition of asspull.
>>156028920
And Hagoromo spread chakra to everyone else through Ninshu.
>>156028714
He's right though
>>156029157
Look, I like analogies as much as the next guy, but using gravity and the properties of liquids to justify magic auras getting powered up when you make promises to it is not an argument.
He's equal to Super Saiyan Blue Goku
randomly
>>156023063
Would have
How strong is Goku in Super now? Can he beat Superman yet?
>>156023126
>>156021408
This
I will NEVER understand HxH fan.
>>156023524
>We're great friends, you know
NO YOU FUCKING AREN'T
This is an insult to all of Naruto's actual friends. Sasuke is some kid he felt jealous of as a kid, then they were on the same team for a couple of months and a had a rivalry where they barely tolerated being in each other's presence. That's it.
>>156028957
That IS what's going on.
If nen is literally the soul energy you generate through your focus and resolve, why the hell wouldn't making a promise to yourself to boost your focus and resolve generate more of it?
>>156029410
Because promises are just language
By that logic, how strict the condition is wouldn't matter, only the resolve the user has in filling it, which is not true in the series.
>>156019695
Why did they change to white hair in the anime? He looked much better with black hair in the manga.
>>156029009
I thought the point was that he improvised it after getting BTFO earlier?
Also, the door dude is the fucking most useful overpowered son of a bitch in One Piece, and his power is wasted on a team of jobbers
>>156021213
entire Dragonball* , DBS doesn't have any asspulls yet
>>156021213
>>156021213
>entire dragon ball super
Kys
>>156029547
If someone has great resolve they will have great nen abilities by default, or at the very least, great potential. Which is obvious and very clear in the series, so you're right.
There are some people who have kickass nen powers without any condition as all, and that's why.
Conditions just put it over the top. They make a crappy ability good and a good ability great.
>>156029374
Uncertain. Goku is canonically a universe buster now, but he hasn't traveled explictly FTL yet (Whis does it on a regular basis however) also Goku can be scratched by a bullet if he's not paying attention, it appears his body is not harder than it was when he was a kid, but he can tank universe buster attacks if he channels KI through his body
>>156029252
Frieza never trained a day in his life, but when he did he was able to close a huge gap of power in a small amount of time.
17 was stronger than Frieza after he got his enhancements, is it really that hard to believe that he'd become just as strong if not stronger if he trained over 10 years?
>>156019695
Even though it was hilarious it's still gay as fuck.
>>156019695
Escannor-fags will defend this.
Everybody has a certain capacity of nen, some can be larger than others. As it goes with nearly everything, It can be expanded upon through practice and training.
Nen conditions can allow you to skip out on training to achieve great gains but the catch is what you are willing to sacrifice to acquire such power.
>>156029949
It's made explicitly clear that the strictness of the condition and the punishment for breaking the condition determines the strength of the condition by the guy who taught Kurapika. Otherwise he would have never even needed a condition since he clearly had, like, infinite resolve. And Kurapika self-admitted that he has little fighting skill to cow man. So resolve does not determine nen potential.
And besides, my main argument is still that there's not physical source for this power. How does a promise translate into something nen can understand? Is there a nen god who they make covenants with?
>>156029737
Yeah, it's not like red, blue, golden or rose ever happened.
>>156023524
>this retracted everything about working hard
that happened much earlier, bud
around the time he gained access to the nine tails' chakra that was thrown out the window
>>156019695
Well, he ends up jobbing which makes it all bearable.
>>156030550
Aka my opponent is way stronger than me so i need an extra rule to make it legit. Otherwise how can my scenario goes on ahah amirite
>>156030570
Since you seem determined to latch on to physical explanations for a spiritual power, allow me to make an analogy.
I'll rephrase something you yourself said to showcase exactly how what you're saying doesn't really jive.
>By that logic, how much steroids they take wouldn't matter, only how strong the body of the person doing the lifting is, which is not true in the series.
Do you see how that's kind of dumb? Yeah raw strength is what makes the magic happen, but the ability to unlock hidden reserves as a shortcut isn't exactly that mind-blowing.
You can be plenty strong WITHOUT taking the steroids if you want to work hard and have enough time to build up your body. But if you DO take the steroids, you're hardly magicking energy out of nowhere.
The resolve merely equates to potential. The condition allows you to access that potential quicker at a cost.
You need at least ~300 IQ to enjoy HxH.
>>156030673
true but them literally getting jesus powers completely nailed it in to ground then.
>>156030840
17 point close, fuck, i guess i'm retarded and i'll never enjoy the pinnacle of shonen quality
>>156030570
>How does a promise translate into something nen can understand?
do you know what nen and aura are?
Now he can only lose to plot convenience
>>156030988
to explain it simply its a boat full of maniacs with powers.
>>156030840
>~300 IQ
Is that in dogs IQ?
>>156030838
I made that statement to expose the flaw in your argument.
>>156030777
Even then, it's never certain who would come out in the end. Overall power is one thing, but battle smarts are imperative to even stand a chance. This world punishes meathead power freaks.
>>156031089
What flaw?
I honestly just straight up don't believe you right now.
>>156023126
Fucking idiot. This is one of the only actually acceptable ones
>>156031150
The phrase "By that logic" indicates you're using your opponent's premises to expose a contradiction in them. Hence, that statement is not what I thought, but exposing a flaw in what you are saying. In other words, from my perspective, you're arguing against yourself and I have no clue what point you're trying to make anymore
>>156030307
how does a robot train if they aren't organic. wouldn't he get upgrades? Or is he human now? I don't watch it, lol.
>>156031512
The flaw was with your own misunderstanding of what I said, which I clarified for you, dipshit.
You didn't understand what I said, so I made it easier for you.
That's not "arguing with myself", that's making sure you get what I was talking about in the first place, which you didn't or else you wouldn't have exposed that "flaw".
Why the fuck are you even trying to quibble with me about this anyway? Is your initial problem with the way conditions worked cleared up, or is it not?
Your insecurity about it isn't of any interest to me, I just want you to understand.
>>156030373
Is it? First time we see Escanor he was buffing even though they were in a dome of Eternal Darkness.
Also later we find out that Rhita can stores energy so he could have drained a bit of it.
>>156019695
yu yu kahusho was trash after the dark tournament
>>156019695
i wish yu yu hakusho kept going and became a demon hunting thing. the whole infinitely stronger demons in infinitely expansive universes sounds really cool.
>>156031841
Everything up until the the half-demon stuff was great. The theme he was going for was interesting but it is a battle shonen in the eve of Dragon Ball. It was gonna have to end with a big battle.
>>156031797
It's clearly not cleared up, and I don't know why you're getting so worked up over your own lack of debate skills. What I'm saying is the series simply does not support the interpretation that nen conditions work based on psychological resolve, and I think I've proven that. So how do they work?
Saying that they're spiritual is too vague, any thing is either physical or it's metaphysical (or it's just a logical concept). Nen is clearly physical; or, it has matter. Meaning that the increase in power has to come from somewhere. Psychological resolve as a medium between the language of a promise and the increase of power doesn't work (and that's a pretty shaky concept to start with anyway) so what is it?
To me, Togashi just doesn't seem to care about logic. As long as something has equal consequence from a writing perspective if it makes sense logically he's fine with it.
>>156030840
Except mine's only 190 and I enjoyed it.
I bet I just destroyed your worldview, fuckface, retards like me enjoy your favorite show too.
>>156019695
O my rubber nen.
>>156031617
17 and 18 are cyborgs and enhanced on a cellular level. They can get stronger for the same reason they can have kids.
>>156032876
>same reason they can have kids
Didn't she get wished human?
>>156030146
>but he hasn't traveled explictly FTL yet
I thought there was something about him outrunning a timestop?
>>156032952
My thoughts exactly. 17 doesn't belong in this thread.
>>156032305
Don't bother with HunterXHunter fanboys. They're the second worst /a/ fanboys there are and will defend everything in their beloved series.
All the time I wasted debating with people about the nuke asspull taught me that.
>>156032952
No. Krillin asks Shenron to turn them into humans, but he can't do it because it's beyond his power
>>156032952
krillin wished their bombs out of them they were born human apparently Dr.Gero wanted them to keep their genitalia .
>>156023126
(you)
>>156033162
>Nuke asspull
Seems to me you just got shredded in the debate, decided to ignore it and went off pretended you won.
I'm seriously starting to think most of you idiots need to go back English class if reading apparently is such a hassle
Grown up males trying to make sense out of children's comics pathetic
Literally gear 3 and 4 on One Piece.
>>156033419
Don't you have an imouto/waifu thread to shit up?
Any /a/ poster trying to throw shade at anyone with regards to debating fiction is laughably sad.
>>156033419
>calls others pathetic
>can't use remotely proper grammar
4/10, made me laugh
>>156024627
Fuck off Torikofag. There's a good reason it got axed: everything and I mean everything was bullshit.
>>156029382
Because you don't read the series.
>>156032451
Requiem stands were always broken. Killer Queen: Bites the Dust was basically a prototype for Requiem Stands and it was absolutely overpowered. If you have a problem with GER you have to have a problem with Requiem/upgraded stands as a whole. If any powerup is an asspull, it'd probably be pic related
>>156019695
that arc sucked
>>156033176
I forgot all what happened because, please spoil me, how android 18 was alive if she was eaten, how she fell to Krillin, and why they didn't ressurect number 16 too.
Strength of a dog
Intelligence of a girl
>>156019695
Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
SS4 was so much better.
>>156023429
Well it helps the author was basically forced into all the arcs after Sensui
He basically intentionally tried to tank it, especially at the end so he could do something else without someone else taking over.
>>156030307
The stronger you are when you're in base/when you're created =/= your potential
Fuck off with that shit, Freeza was just a fucking genetic freak being an alien and all, his potential makes sense.
17 being stronger than the final form of Freeza on Namek does not mean he has more potential and can become stronger than SSG, just fucking kill yourself if you think this is the case.
>>156029009
>doesnt even fit the character of Luffy to think about his DF powers
Dunno about that; he charged Enel head on knowing that he was immune to lightning thanks to his rubber body
>>156035473
>Super Saiyan Furry
>Better than anything
>>156030307
Freeza's "I trained for 4 months" was stupid too.
>>156029252
2014
>dragon ball sucks because goku is the only strong character
2017
>WTF! why are all these cool characters strong now?
>>156036011
>>Super Saiyan Furry
>forgetting Sayians turned into furries since the first arc of the franchise
>>156036312
I was never in the first group. I was fine with Goku and Vegeta being the only strong ones.
>>156036383
No shit.
Doesn't change the fact that it's completely out of place.
>>156036312
Wanting other characters to be relavant doesn't mean you think that unexplained powerups are the way to go.
>>156037040
>Doesn't change the fact that it's completely out of place.
How is it "out of place"? Its tied to something the story already established
>>156037040
>unexplained powerups are the way to go
Things like the baseball episode help, but at the end of the day this is dragon ball and 75% of the plot is about fighting. If you are not strong, you are not important.
>>156033925
Bites the Dust and Silver Chariot Requiem were powerful, but not ridiculously broken. Star Platinum's The World wasn't a problem since Araki was foreshadowing it for a while. Gold Experience Requiem was so hilariously broken and was the biggest Deus ex machina that Araki ever wrote for the most boring protagonist ever. There's a reason Araki decided never to include Giorno in the story again.
>>156021213
No. GT, yes, not Super.
>>156035473
It's just called Super Saiyan Blue now. But I would have preferred Super Cyan.
>>156029009
>it also doesnt even fit the character of Luffy to think about his DF powers.
Nigga he spent years training his devil fruit before setting sail and started getting more creative with his powers after Croc's speech during their first fight.
>>156037384
no, super is shit
>>156035018
FUCK YOU. fucking KILL yourself.
>>156033925
Jotaros stand kind of made sense, I mean Dio was shown to have Jotaro's, Joesph's, and Holy's stand for some reason.
So Jotaro having the last part of the stand kinda made sense.
>>156037256
why do the japs love gw so goddamned much? is it because of the fuckboys?
>>156037436
Super is meh, but it’s better than GT
>>156037152
Honestly, I'm exaggerating. But its design doesn't really looks like it belongs with the other Super Saiyan forms, and having the old Kaioshin somehow know about it when he didn't know anything about Super Saiyans is a bit silly(then again, Shenron knowing about SSG isn't really any better)
>>156033925
Him stopping time made sense, considering he was able to move IN stopped time for like a span of a second.
That shit had to be explained and it was.
>>156023063
>this who would of that he of his power would be that
>>156035954
He didn't know he was immune until Enel tried to kill him
>>156021213
This
>>156034900
>Cell puked her after getting punched by Gohan but she would have been revived anyway
>She fell for him because he hesitated to kill her and then tried to make a selfless wish for her and 17
>Nobody knows
>>156029252
No no dude, you see he spent 10 years being a park ranger,doing pushups,drinking protein shakes and high quality oil would obviously lead him to be just barely weaker than goku or vegeta that go through time and the multiverse to find strong opponents to fight and train. It was so fucking funny when they were talking about Krilling getting stronger and they showed some basic fitness equipment, maybe if he had a gym subscription he would be able to challenge Beerus.
It boggles my mind that people are defending these absurd power-ups being thrown around. Would've been much better if there we just a few goku level fuckers from each universe, the obvious battlejunkies that have nothing better to do and they fight it between themselves while the battles of the weaker ones just becomes a clusterfuck of stupid and funny techniques.But no they have to give some stupid excuses how the rest of the team suddenly is much stronger and can stand somewhat stand up to Blue. If master Roshi doesn't try to grope at least one alien chick I'm going to be utterly disappointed.
>>156037974
I want to drink oil when I think of how dumb some bits of Super are.
Nobody but other universe based characters should be able to make physical contact with SSB.
To suddenly have characters being decently powerful because they spent a week training is hilarious and dumb.
>>156037256
See, that's just how the arrow works. It grants your greatest desire: Kira wanted a way to revive Hayato and avoid Josuke, Pol wanted to keep the arrow away from Diavolo and Giorno needed power to nullify an invincible opponent.GER reviving Giorno was bullshit though
>>156021408
As a HxH fan i totally agree. Nen was fun precisely because of the categories and pseudo logic behind it. Both Gon-san and Nanika utterly contradict the whole point of nen restrictions.
This guy
>>156038106
>To suddenly have characters being decently powerful because they spent a week training is hilarious and dumb.
Welcome to Dragon Ball.
>>156023429
>but way to shit on an entire arc's worth of character growth and lessons
The Dark Tournament was never about Yusuke's humanity, and Genkai's dying wish had nothing to do with Yusuke and more to do with contrasting how he (who fights for fun) and Toguro (a weak man who sought to be strong and became too devoured by pride to admit he chose wrong) had nothing in common. It was a message to the reader that there's more to life than being the best.
>>156035569
Conjecture. You'll never know if Togashi truly would have ended it like he did because he ran into a wall or if it was SJ's fault. Imo, the stakes had escalated to the degree that a demon tourney was the only reasonable outcome to end the story on. YYH is very consistent when it comes to power level, and SDF are still bragging about taking down Yoko (a former S class according to Sensui), during Chapter Black. There was no going higher than Super S class.
>>156029737
Original Dragon ball is still pure. Before this sayan powerlevels bullshit Goku was just a boy with a monkey tale based on the monkey king and fought against Piccolo the demon king...
Ahh... good times.
>>156038400
He did burn the series down at the end with him revealing that DEMON'S AREN'T EVIL, OKAY? IT WAS JUST ENMA BRAINWASHING THEM SO HE COULD RAISE IS CASE SOLVING RATE that gets resolved literally the page its introduced.
>>156038351
No, it doesn't .
Why can't you people read the damn series first and formulate arguments later?
>>156038351
How the fuck does Gon-san contradict nen restrictions?
>>156024765
Your English is terrible son.
>>156038811
I've read it carefully. Gon's power up is acceptable with the rules. He sacrifices his life for a temporary power up. Nanika on the other hand was a pure asspull, wish granting without ball gathering, that later had to be explained as some shit from the dark continent or something like that. And that is the definition of an asspull.
>>156038811
>>156038912
He doesn't, because technically there is a consequence. It's the writing what goes pants and safe him from it.
Saving Gon from the consequences of his nen makes Gon-san an ass pull, a deus ex that allowed him to survive on a situation where he had 0 chance of coming on top. The whole point of restrictions and consequences is only valid if the writer follows it trough. Togashi didn't.
HxH is fun to read and watch because Togashi handle most fights without power levels. The characters are usually the underdogs and survive only because they approach shit with careful devised plans or use their nen on an unconventional manner to escape situations they can't handle.
The chimera arc was great precisely because it showed that THAT approach wouldn't always work out. Some times, no matter how cleaver you are you are just fucked.
Netero shows this in his fight with Meurem. He could not win, no matter what... so he cheated.
Meanwhile Gon just powered up and won... and got away with it.
never understood this
>>156039750
He got implanted with a god-like weapon that was the result of generations of selective breeding and the only thing stopping him from becoming a monster was the fact that he wouldn't eat (and maybe also his morality).
Yamori forced him to eat and solved that problem.
>>156028885
And the Hyuga
>>156039095
I don't see the problem with introducing a new aspect of the HxH world. The way it was done, however, I can understand. I think Togashi used Alluka's introduction in the part of the CA arc with the Spiders as a Chekhov's Gun. I would assume that he planned for for Gon's revival early on.
Nanika's abilities in and of itself aren't that much of a problem if you really look at it. The ability people seem to focused on the most is the healing aspect and even then, extreme healing has already been shown in Greed Island. >>156039486
Gon didn't heal himself back to normal. Forces beyond his control brought him back, so Gon-san itself isn't an asspull.
And I don't know if Gon is entirely the way he was prior to the sacrifice seeing how he willingly gave up all his potential.
>>156039486
So the transformation wasn't the problem, it's just that Togashi wasn't willing to go through with the implications. I can agree with that.
Togashi pussying out of the cost wasn't a problem. He could've built a storyline around finding an exorcist that could actually help him instead.
>>156041940
>He could've built a storyline around finding an exorcist
Greed Island 2.0?
>>156041940
If you recall, they did bring an exorcist.
She shat herself when she saw how extreme the pledge was.
Only reasonable that something like that should be restored by a force beyond human capability.
>>156037384
Fuck off. GT was god awful, I thought it was the greatest abomination the world could possibly have ever seen.
Then super came out. GT is a 5 star anime by comparison.
>>156036312
>I want other races and characters to get some attention and power ups to make them relevant in the face of Saiyans
>I want other characters to show up after years of being off screen and randomly obtain powers that put them in league with the strongest characters in the Universe with little explanation as to how this is possible.
Guess which one of these describes your first group.
>>156042776
Same here. Dragon Ball Super at least made me reflect on the things GT had the right idea with.
>>156029009
>It doesn't even fit the character of Luffy to think abkut his DF powers.
Except that he trained himself for 10 years to utilize his rubber properties in a fight before setting sail, Spee D. kun
>>156042776
>>156043926
Same.
I can understand people who watch it just because it's Dragon Ball and they don't care about quality so long as they get to see fights but the ones who think this shit writing is good baffle me.
>>156031152
now make one for Hisoka, oh wait, you can't!
>>156033047
>>156033210
translation error, she was always a cyborg, not an "angroid"
>>156019695
That's shitty holy water Goku drank to fight King piccolo
Tainted a great arc
>>156045619
Battle of Gods (movie) was Great and one of the best dragon ball media in years
Super is throughing no money at a literally cash cow
For how shit Rebuilds are they at least looked/sounded good as fuck
>>156019695
The biggest power-up/asspull/whatever is having no powers/weakest power in a world full of people with (good) powers yet beating them because you're a fucking god for having no/lowest abilities whatsoever.
>>156035018
Yamerooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
>>156042776
Nah, GT did baby good but after that it went to fanfiction tier (ebil dragon, super 17). At least the current arc is looking decent once the filler is over and the zamasu arc had a good start.
>>156029009
>one of the few non asspull power ups
>anons still calling it an asspull
why don't people talk about manga that they don't read?
>>156029009
>and it also doesnt even fit the character of Luffy to think about his DF powers.
He got inspired to use gum gum pinwheel from a hat
He came up with like, three pretty good ideas fighting enel
He just recently came up with a good idea against big mom
>>156037256
>biggest Deus ex machna
and not Joseph "beathing" Kars and surviving the whole ordeal. and besides Giorno needed something that could counter King Crimson and it's stand ability. But GER is overpowerd tho
>>156042776
The Baby arc was OK. Super 17 was a joke. Shadow Dragon was much worse than it should've been.
>>156019695
Just by looking at this image, you have contracted 9k+ venereal diseases
>>156049261
This bullshit has gotten so ingrained in my head that it's easy to forget how dumb it all is.
>>156023429
Well keep in mind the Chapter Black arc was meant to show that humans could be as bad as demons and that demons were being treated as boogey men up until that point.
>>156026135
>random death
From birth he was destined to die for Hinata.
>>156023063
>who would of that he of his power would be that
I think im gonna have a stroke
>>156021461
>implying ss powerups made any sense either
It was basically Kubo's last ditch effort to make his characters not be the laughing stock in terms of powerlevels before it inevitably got canned.
Every friendship power up in Fairy Tail:
" you hurt my friends?massive power increase suddenly and the antagonist gets wrecked. Fuck this series both anime and manga.
>>156049261
oh jesus christ
>>156047226
How the fuck is this a "power up" if anything Kaneki just snapped and stopped giving a fuck, if anything you could say he became a completely different person due to all the torture and psychological stress. Who Kaneki was died when this moment happened, he essentially became a very dark and edgy version of himself.
>>156050651
That's every shonen anime though
>>156052042
This is why we should stick to seinen.