Never forget Cocoa.
> 17 started off as some retooled human created by an old man and was somehow FAR stronger than the alien emperor of the universe
> and far stronger than Super Saiyans, which the old man didn't even know existed
> Piccolo, who got one-shotted by Nappa, fused with Nail who got one-shotted by 1% First Form Freeza
> Somehow able to compete against Second Form Freeza
> Goku's ridiculously stupid zenkai in Namek
Why do people pretend asspulls in DB is a new thing again?
On my way, wait for me you guys
>Why do people pretend asspulls in DB is a new thing again?
Nostalgia plays a huge factor. We're naive and more open to new things as children, thus we form very fond memories of it years later to the point where it sort of blinds us to the reality that nothing was different.
Why black can use zenkai in the manga?
Why Goku and Vegeta can't?
Pic related explain that Vegeta and Goku trained, pushed THEIR BODIES to the limit, nothing about souls.
And Black's line about it only tell that zenkai HELP him to merge with the body.
Interpreting trunks's word will not hide this inconsistency.
>Prove us that Zenkai isn't tied to soul
Why anime black can't create a scythe?
Why anime Black can't create clones?
If you can't tell why, then it's consistent.
leave this thread alone, you destroyed the last one, i wont let you do that again
Wow, Black is CLEARLY saying that his soul allow him to use zenkai?
Can't you see?
PLEASE BELIEVE MY HEADCANON!
Did it because he ran an planetary trade and was the universal emporer
Did it because he wanted to become "perfect". After he reached perfection, he just wanted to test his strength at the Cell Games
Did it because he's a chaotic man-baby
Did it because it's his job
> Grand Priest:
Hopefully when Super does a timeskip.
>Showing clear inconsistencies
>Lul you're pathetic because I have no argument
Best explanation, zenkai doesn't need one, it's just here for the plot, Toyotaro isn't as consistent as everyone think so.
Still much better than toei but far from being perfect.
Wow, there is anons who truly believed that zenkai is somehow linked to soul.
DB fanbase is really surprising.
Could Fused Saiyans turn into a Great Ape, could we have Oozaru Vegito or Gotenks? Additionally could one also go SSGSS as an Oozaru or would it not work, and what would happen if a SSGSS turned into one?
>Why anime black can't create a scythe?
>Why anime Black can't create clones?
In the anime he can, of course he can. It's not inconsistent, it's a shitty asspull. Are you happy now?
>Could Fused Saiyans turn into a Great Ape
>ozaru form for saiyans without tail
Only in GT
>could one also go SSGSS as an Oozaru or would it not work, and what would happen if a SSGSS turned into one?
Zamasu is the best character ever to grace Dragon Ball. He has a distinct fighting style, a clear and credible motivation and is the most resourceful villain ever.
The saiyans were more powerful than earthlings, Frieza was already born powerful, Cell had to count with Vegeta's arrogance and stupidity to become perfect, Buu was stupid and powerful, Beerus was a GoD, Golden Frieza misused the breakthrough he got, Hit is an uberpowerful anomaly, while Zamasu went from being barely more powerful than a Super Saiyan to almost destroying all ningen lives in all universes.
But I don't fucking know myself, everyone here is only using headcanon.
It's up to Toyotaro to explain this not us, so far, he hasn't.
You can't claim something without direct proof.
>He's not even talkign about zenkai in that pic you autist
Zenkai = full recovery. So, yes, he's talking about it. He also specifically said before that his power was lower than expected since his mind and body weren't a good match initially.
I'm not that anon that's claiming that Zenkai are tied to soul though. That's just stupid. The explanation is right there in the page. Black's power increases when he has a full recovery due to his mind and body bonding. There's no fanon here.
EoZ is the official end of the franchise so Pan and Bra will never grow up. It's not a big deal anyway, they're women on a shounen franchise so they aren't allowed to do anythng besides jobbing and showing skin, not that the average anon has anything against that.
I agree with you, but what I want to know is how can he use zenkai?
Yeah, he has done that since the start, he explained almost everything, except that.
Isn't weird? Why should I believe your headcanon?
You're not the author as far as I know.
Black fucking discovered zenkai when he was using Goku's body you dumbfuck, he never explained how he can use it.
Also, he wasn't aware that zamasu will save him, of course black was at his maximum against vegeta.
Okay so can someone help me out with something?
In the anime, SSG is the same as Goku's base right? And SSGSS is SSG with SS, yeah? These are things that were stated and seem to be generally accepted.
If both these things are true though, why the fuck are SS and SSB different levels? If it's god ki that makes SSB so much stronger than SS and that's the explanation, then how does the logic of SSG (which has god ki) being the same as base work at all? I seriously cannot reconcile these two things.
Can someone please explain to me what the fuck is going on in this series?
Thanks toyotaro for that.
Yeah, it explain HOW he use zenkai, what I want ot know is WHY HE CAN?
This panel only state that ZENKAI HELP HIM TO MERGE WITH THE BODY, nothing more.
>Black fucking discovered zenkai when he was using Goku's body you dumbfuck
I know, your point?
>he wasn't aware that zamasu will save him
He didn't need Zamasu until Vegeta used Blue. Of course SSB Vegeta was stronger than pre zenkai SS Black, you can see how Black react when Vegeta actually shows be stronger than him.
Is going from a ki-blade to a ki-scythe really that much of an asspull?
The technique just seemed to get longer and stronger after Black's zenkai. It's technically a move that he already had.
The mango hasn't the saga finished yet.
stay mad, NINGEN
why didnt their clothes merge like in vegettos case? since shes not a kaio why didnt they separate after one hour?
OK, so Toyotaro makes your headcanon wrong but since you can't build a new one by yourself you demand a totally specific explanation that never existed in first place? It's like you say that you thought Goten's girlfriend at EoZ was brunette and Toriyama confirms she's not, so you DEMAND to know everything about her or you'll claim Toriyama fucked up.
Man, I like how mango's Zamasu uses his kai powers, it's another very distinct fighting style with its own strategic uses and shit. I loved how he could have killed Goku even when being much weaker than him...
why is she drawn with a Z style body
and not the shapeless twig form that nearly everyone has in Super
>Then why black used SSJ before if his base is stronger than SSJVegeta?
Who say his base is stronger than SS Vegeta? Powered up-SS Vegeta is stronger than SS2 Trunks and SS3 Goku, we don't know how strong powered up SS Vegeta is compared to base Black.
No, it wasn't headcanon but obvious, zenkai is a genetic trait.
Of course I want explanation, toyotaro give explanation to anything, except that?
Also comparing goten's girlfriend to a fucking zenkai is retarded, precisely when trunks in the same chapter stated that THEIR BODIES HIT THEIRS LIMITS!
>You know you're winning when they insult you
Okay then it's official, Toyotaro's has made a big mistake and mangacucks can't even hide it properly.
Zamasu was incompetent and pathetic, I wasn't impressed, 2/10 for the effort.
Roshi is Jackie chun
My friend sent this to me and he never lies
In the movies, Goku and Vegeta obtain "saiyan beyond god" state, so their base forms are SSG (equivalent) forms and their SS forms are SSGSS forms. No more yellow, just SSG in base and SSGSS, BUT Toriyama wanted SS/2/3 back so this was changed.
In the manga Goku and Vegeta can switch between mortal base and mortal SS forms and godly base and godly SS form (but instead "beyond god", their godly base is the actual SSG, otherwise would be confusing).
In the anime Goku and Vegeta are just really strong, that strong that their SS forms are SSG tier, and SSGSS isn't an actual "super version" of SSG, but just a new form beyond their other forms.
This also mean that Goku can't use god ki unless he's using a god form (red or blue) in both, manga or anime. In the manga he can use god ki in base god (SSG) or in blue god (SSGSS), in the anime he can use god ki only in blue god form, even if his SS is SSG tier (and SS2 and SS3 even stronger)
Your friend is probably Yamcha, he's an idiot.
I was told there would be special leaks tonight. Well I am here, where are my leaks?
He's "Kuririn" in the English translation of the manga. He's "Son Goku" in the English translation of the manga.
The name changes you're so adamant about sticking with are exclusive to FUNimation's English dub of the anime. It's OK to be used to something and all, but let's not pretend you're not already saying a bunch of nonsensical Japanese B.S. on a daily basis without realizing it (the thing is, most English dub fans don't know this!). "Senzu" and "Roshi" and "Baba" and "Kai" are not standalone, original names; they're actual Japanese words and phrases. If you can say them, you can say anything else in the series.
Trust me, when you know what you're saying, it sounds absolutely ridiculous to be saying "Baba" aloud; it literally just means "old woman". "King Kai" is just a half-assed, half-translation of "Lord/King of Worlds". "Roshi" isn't a name; it just means "[old] master". "Senzu" is just a phrase that roughly means "magic bean". You're just saying Japanese words.
It's easy to dig your heels in and resist stuff, but keep in mind Dragon Ball isn't FUNimation's production; they don't get to decide who these characters are and what their names are. There's a ton of balance to be done when adapting their spellings from Japanese to our alphabet (and then with our own bonkers pronunciations), but there's a world of awesomeness to the series when you dig deeper!
>Cuckde directly referencing Cuckuub in this last episode
>mfw we've actually passed the point in which EoZ would have been viable canonically (in EoZ Goku states that he hadn't talked to Bulma for some years, granted the gap between the end of Z and the EoZ was 10 years, enough years have passed in Super with Goku remaining in contact with Bulma to disprove that)
>mfw writers didn't take this chance to erase this shitstain from continuity
>mfw Uub is a failed character
>mfw Uub is unwanted
>mfw stupid gooks will push him anyway
>my headcanon was reasonable, therefore it's not a headcanon but a fact!
Zenkai is triggered by the body, but is "the person" what's improved (or do you think zenkai makes your muscles and shit bigger? It's a ki boost, a spiritual thing). Son Goku can't be improved by zenkai anymore even if his body is still healthy and capable to trigger zenkais, while Zamasu was "zenkai virgin"
>waaaa Toyotaro answers a lot but he doesn't answer to what I want, not fair!!
I don't care.
>trunks in the same chapter stated that THEIR BODIES HIT THEIRS LIMITS!
This shit has been replied in this and even the previous thread you autist
The dub is wrong and you've been led astray. So many of the Buddhist influences are completely ignored in FUNimation's English dub, and if you're not willing to familiarize yourself with that rich history (and all the hierarchy and bureaucracy that comes with it), you're not in a position to explain anything in Dragon Ball.
And I don't say that as someone who CAN, but rather as someone who wants to learn more and wishes he COULD be an/the authority on it. I'm still learning something new every day myself, and I can't claim to be an expert yet. There's enough in your analysis that just rubs me the wrong way, though, and it hurts my soul a little bit to read people disregarding and misunderstanding the original intent so much.
He was forced as fuck. He was literally what anti-Gohanfags say Gohan is.
>came out of nowhere and suddenly has crazy potential to rival the main characters with no build-up or background
>also he's the reincarnation of the evil chaotic final boss himself *tips fedora*
I don't care about Uub being a nigger, I care about him being a shit character.
Triggered by the body who ALREADY HIT IT'S LIMITS.
And no, no one gived a correct answer about trunks's words beside saying "lul you're taking it literally".
Nope, I just don't claim any headcanon in it, when even trunks contradict you.
Uub is fine.
He will pretty much never show up in Super anyway unless Toei decides to double cross Toriyama and take Super beyond the End of Z (which is the point that Toriyama has specifically stated he never wants to go past).
It's all in based Toei's hands to take it beyond EoZ and cuck Uub into the dirt
I am sending Toei my energy
you telling me ssj3 is stronger than blue?
The character is referred to as both "Muten Roshi" and "Kame-sen'nin" in Japanese. Neither of these are "names"; they're titles. 武天老師 would come out more like "Master/Invincible Old Master", and 亀仙人 would be "Turtle Hermit/Sage". A sen'nin is this concept of a dude who basically has attained enlightenment through meditation, seclusion, blah blah blah. Of course, the whole joke with this dude is that he's done all that and yet he's still a total perv. Anyway, the point here is that his "name" is not "Roshi" because that's not even a name. The English dub treats it that way, but the English dub doesn't know what the heck it's doing half the time, especially with all those holdovers from FUNimation's original go at it.
The 仙豆 are not "senzu beans"; they're just "senzu". Saying "beans" after it is totally redundant and would be like saying the "Kamehameha Wave" (oh, wait... :P). The "sen" is the same as in Kame-sen'nin, and would best be translated over as something like "magic(al)/mystical" whereas the "zu" is just "bean". So again, it's used as a proper noun in a way, but it's more a description of what they are than anything else.
And "Kami" is just "God". He's the God of Earth. That's his title. That's his job. That's what he's called: "God". You're just saying "God" in Japanese.
My point is that there are already a ton of Japanese words in FUNimation's English dub, and without fully understanding or realizing that they're there, it gets a little ridiculous to then start telling people to never use Japanese words/or phrases when talking about... well, a Japanese series.
AT THE SAME TIME I'm all for translating things that can be translated. Let's call him God. Let's call them magic beans. Let's call him Turtle Hermit. Let's call him Ox King. Let's call him Demon Lord Piccolo. Let's call it Giant Ape.
But let's not get crazy if you're saying "Roshi" in one breath and wondering why on Earth someone's saying "Oozaru" in the next!
I don't particularly care that much about Gohan, either (except for UG, he was based, but I still don't want anybody to succeed based Goku, so using the Gohanfag argument is null)
don't like objectively shit characters lacking in interesting background inserted for lazy closure
>I am sending Toei my energy
If you've been watching the English dub of Kai, then what you're watching is a version that is being dubbed far more faithfully to the original script than was ever done in the past, and with voice actors who have far more experience and far more respect for the source material than they had back then.
Going back to FUNimation's original dub of the Buu arc will cause you to lose all of that.
Or you could just go watch the entire franchise in Japanese! :D Hurray! Join us!
gohan will Always remain useless
he will be the MJP of the tournament
MOST JOBBING PERSON
Because it was at the end retard, how can you gave to someone a huge background just at the end?
Uub was obviously here to show that goku will share his legacy with someone who isn't related to his friends and family.
Oh, you must be one of those GT fans, aren't you?
now if only the jap dub has decent music and not have their grown up male characters sound like a little girl or granny
>Reaching this hard
Wow, so saying that trunks is talking about souls without any word about soul isn't convenient I guess.
I guess I should ignore the word BODIES, TRAIN, PUSHED and LIMITS then.
In the manga (and movies), SSG is way stronger than SS3 and then SSGSS is (aparently) slightly stronger. In the anime SSG is way stronger than SS3, but SSGSS is way stronger than SSG (since current SS Goku is already SSG tier and SSGSS Goku is stronger than current SS3 Goku)
For the manga is
any SS Goku << any SS2 Goku <<<< any SS3 Goku <<<<<<<<<<< any SSG Goku =<= any SSGSS Goku
BoG SS Goku << BoG SS2 Goku <<<< BoG SS3 Goku <<<<<<<<<<< BoG SSG Goku =<= current SS Goku < current SS2 Goku < current SS3 Goku < current SSGSS Goku
>I still don't want anybody to succeed based Goku
Same. I'll be okay if they do mentor pupil stuff. But I don't want any next generation bullshit.
Uub right now has only one episode/chapter which is a bit unfair to judge but he just reeks of jobhan so much.
you forgetting that at the start of gt 9 year old pan had a 16 year old boyfriend.
who dumped her after he probaly took her virginity
a jobber helping a jobber train
sounds about right
Lots of different discussions going on and none of them are about power levels or anime vs. manga.
What the fuck is going on? Powerlevelfags suicided collectively after A17's power up? Toeishills and toyocucks made amends with the fact that both of narratives being written have their inherent strenghts and weaknesses?
Senzu, Roshi, Baba, Kai, Budokai, Kami, Majin...
This is my 6:30 a.m., still-drinking-coffee, barely-coherent list of random Japanese words which have perfectly legitimate translations in English that you'd be regularly spouting out as an exclusively FUNimation English dub fan.
but did they tap that ass like this smug motherfucker? (probaly yes)
*For the manga is
any SS Goku << any SS2 Goku <<<< any SS3 Goku <<<<<<<<<<< any SSG Goku =<= any SSGSS Goku
And in the anime is
BoG SS Goku << BoG SS2 Goku <<<< BoG SS3 Goku <<<<<<<<<<< BoG SSG Goku =<= current SS Goku < current SS2 Goku < current SS3 Goku < current SSGSS Goku
Then you are too stupid to grasp what greatness truly is.
and videl drained him
black was pretty good
zamasu was lame as fuck
merged was a crybaby
it's all connected
xenoverse was right
all those time lines
>Not going to listen to Japanese audio because Goku sounding like a woman no thanks.
Considering some of the performances in the old dub over the years, I'm not entirely sure how anyone can still say this in 2017 with a straight face.
Or straight hands. 'Cuz it's text.
I dunno. Whatever.
Anyway, assuming we're talking about Z-proper here, the original Japanese score clashes against the English dub because it's still the English dub and was written with the droning nonstop lofi sound of the replacement music in mind.
Watch the series in Japanese. You'll eventually come around. They always do.
while flawed it is still a better explanation then how the anime did it
"gets hit a few times, instantly recovers and instantly gets stronger"
Dude I think I'll lose my patience, your retardation hurts
>17 lying about having a wife and kids
lmao that lil fucker has a god-level boipussy game he's throwin that shit around
best version would be
jap dub, but give goku a man's voice instead of a granny voice
Just sit at the table and I'll serve you.
she does indeed
then trunks gets jealous and mentions bardock has a wife
yes the useless fusion dance makes more sense
takes time to do the dance (something zamasu won't allow)
if one of them fucks up, they turn either into a weak fat version or a weak skinny version.
fusion would last super short
ssj3 already shortens it from 30 to 5 minutes
ssj blue would maybe last 10 seconds before they defuse
sure the anime made a huge asspull with retconning the potora fusion to only lasting 1 hour for mortals and less then 5 minutes with ssj blue.
but the earings are still superior to the dance
also....gogeta is not canon
Chris Ayres plays Freeza.
Linda Young (following Pauline Newstone) played a character that looked exactly like Freeza and was still called Freeza (well, Frieza), but had an entirely different underlying persona including dialog, tone, and delivery.
trunks kisses mai on the mouth though
and #18 did give krillin a kiss on the cheecks
and bulma has given vegeta a kiss on the cheecks.
It's about using names and translations that are accurate, as opposed to the mishmash terminology the dub uses.
I use "Kuririn" because that's the best approximation of his name that retains the "kuri" (chestnut) pun. It's part of the joke about his bald head.
I use Muten-Rōshi because "Master Roshi" doesn't actually make any sense. You're essentially calling him "Master Master". "Roshi" isn't a name, it means "master". You could translate it to English with something like "Venerable Grandmaster" if you really wanted.
"Saiyajin" is an odd one. The "-jin" suffix is just something the Japanese use to denote something belongs to a place/group of people. For example, for an American, the Japanese say "Amerika-jin". Using "Saiyan" is absolutely fine, and really should be most people's go-to. The dub mispronounced it, however, resulting in "SAY-an", instead of "Sigh-an". I think people tend to use "Saiyajin" as a holdover from pre-dub days, or to signify which version they watch.
I really like when dubbers go this route, because we can appreciate the oeuvre from a different perspective - if it was just to rewatch the same thing, why not watching it subbed then? I'm curious to see how US and my country's dub will deal with Super's dumber Goku, since they are usually played more heroic than the manchildish japanese approach.
It's not the actual scythe that's the asspull. He didn't use it before he had some sort of stupid epiphany about rage equating to power. The way it was handled implied that him suddenly realizing rage could generate more power led to him suddenly being able to form his nondescript blade-shape into a fucking legit scythe. It was a stupid way to write it.
the whole character of anime black was stupid
Black's character was that of someone who was bending his Saiyan genetics to his will. Him realizing anger sends their power sky-rocketing and abusing it falls pretty in-line with his intentions and motivations. He was just weaponizing every aspect of Saiyans because he had a less muddied view of their physiology due to being half-God.
Not really, he could have done like Goku did with Gohan in pic related.
Trunks had no reason to give Mai a senzu like he did other than his boner asking him to do it.
i'm sure videl calls her over some times for a treesome
at least roshi knows where to go
chichi - for dat ass
#18 - for dem boobs
bulma - for both
shame kamehasutra 2 with videl never happened
ladies and gentlemen your multiversal tournament MVP and New GoD
Female saiyans are a miracle of the universe
Because the manga has been hyping up Goku and Vegeta actually utilizing teamwork. It would make far more sense for them to utilize the Fusion Dance going off that than the fucking Potara.
If you're on a good enough wavelength, you can fuse with just the "HA" and the finger touching, straight from Toriyama. Goku and Vegeta are basically gay lovers now, I'm sure they could do it, it would take about three seconds.
>if one of them fucks up
They won't fuck up bending towards each other and touching fingers.
>SS3 shortens it
For Gotenks' weak ass. Gogeta would be infinitely stronger. And SSB defusing them only happened in the anime. Perhaps such a stupid fucking limit won't be present in the manga.
And is still superior to Jobgitcuck.
I agree, he's just Blacksteel the Edgeheg.
Yes, and I get that, but he suddenly realized rage=power and then three seconds later utilized that to summon an energy scythe and cut through dimensions to release infinite clones of himself. It's literally an asspull.
MVP should be changed to MJP
because he will be the first to go down in the tournament
like this gif shows. this is what will happen to gohan
green lantern = gohan
darkseid = toppo
parademons = furries from u9
justice leage - rest of u7
> Vegetto: 1 hour
> SSB Vegetto: 10 minutes
> Gogeta: 30 minutes
> SSB Gogeta: ???
only the stronger you are the shorter the fusion dance lasts.
so gogeta using ssj blue would maybe give him 10 seconds of fusion time tops
vegetto is still superior (and his clothes look better also)
>Yes, and I get that, but he suddenly realized rage=power and then three seconds later utilized that to summon an energy scythe and cut through dimensions to release infinite clones of himself. It's literally an asspull.
I know, but when you look at it, Saiyans are really fucking hax as a species. He was just utilizing that hax alongside godly powers.
Besides it was a cool moment. I'd rather DB be cool with asspulls than logical, sensible and dull.
who is launch?
episode info already revealed tien is getting a new girlfriend
Nice job not reading anything in my post. As expected of Cuckgitofags. You just scream about how cool he is and conveniently forget that he did jack shit to Merged Zamasu. He looked a bit embarrassing, really.
Another Cuckgitotard not bothering to read the post before replying. It's almost funny.
>only the stronger you are the shorter the fusion dance lasts.
Never been confirmed. And the Metamoran vest looks infinitely better than the stupid palette smash of Vegeta and Goku's clothes. And no, the clothes clearly don't fuse, because Vegito had the same shit he wore back in the Buu arc when they fused against Zamasu.
Oh, I completely disagree with Zamasu's philosophy, I'm a 100% non-/pol/tard and I fucking hate nazis. I think that's precisely why I like Zamasu as a villain. His nice and distinct aesthetics emulate perfectly why nazists and fascists are so attractive to edgy kids... His warped vision and judgement are perfectly resonant with how privileged kids feel when they see that the world outside their homes is an absolute and horrifying clusterfuck.
Zamasu is the best villain ever not only because he's awesome, but also because you can discuss his perspective, agree and disagree with it and learn things about yourself and your own perspectives.
There's no other villain in the history of Dragon Ball that can bring anything like that.
Vegetto toyed with Super Buuhan, got absorbed to sucessfully rescue his friends, and mostly had the upper-hand against an immortal/SSR god fusion
So he's a "jobber" because he didn't defeat an immortal god in time before his fusion ran out? Even though he was under the impression that the fusion was for 1 hour?
You just sound mad because Gogeta will never happen outside a non-canon movie and the shitty Shadow Dragon saga.
Jesus fucking Christ, fusionfags are fucking cancer.
"What a filthy casual. In English? Fuck that."
(See, I can play this game, too!)
But seriously, the vast majority of the series hadn't been dubbed yet when I watched it. Hard to watch a dub that doesn't exist. I see no reason to recommend said cobbled-together dub in 2017 when the original version that I fell in love with is right there on the same discs.
>Zamasu is the best villain ever
>Why black can use zenkai in the manga?
Because in the case of Black, the Zenkai improves the synchronization of his Zamasu soul and Goku body.
One can easily speculate the same was true in the anime, but in there Black didn't need a full Zenkai, small zenkais from limited damages were good enough.
>Why anime black can't create a scythe?
>Why anime Black can't create clones?
He can. He just doesn't know why, his power has surpassed even his own understanding! So Godly!
He toyed with Super Buu uselessly. He should have immediately killed him and used the Dragon Balls. And he didn't have the upper-hand, at most he was fighting on par with Zamasu sometimes. Did you even watch the episode?
Cuckgito is and forever will be a jobber. At least Gogeta got shit done the second he was formed. I don't count the shit Shadow Dragon saga.
Yes, I do like when characters have a distinct style of attire, especially when it reflects a certain technique. Your taste is amateurish at best.
it's amusing, how hard you are trying
>One can easily speculate the same was true in the anime,
Nope, Toei just changed the rules of Zenkai, somehow making Zamasu use Goku's body better than Goku himself.
he didn't get shit done right away
he turned into a useless fat version first that could only fart
So, his godly ki just mess up goku's body?
It's not just "zenkai is tied to soul"?
Because in the manga, it will be retarded if Goku and Vegeta doesn't give their bodies to Kibito and Shin to face dangerous opponent.
His plan , made no sense, going full on genocide mode because he failed to understand how life and evolution works, so he got butthurt because mortals didn't comply to his standards, sounds like a spoiled brat's tantrum.
And then what, after killing every single ningen, what would he do when Zeno found out?
I don't own any fedoras, mind you, but I am real. And if can't talk about anything but me, fuck off. Discuss the argument, pleb: why Zamasu isn't the best villain of Dragon Ball?
Of Dragon Ball's franchise, yes. If not him, who else? Frieza, Cell and Buu are pure aesthetics, evil for the sake of being evil and such.
I have no problem with most Zamasufags, but the ones who are like this guy here: >>156020835 are embarrassingly autistic.
> He should have immediately killed him
And kill everyone else with him? Some of them have been dead too many times to be revived
> And he didn't have the upper-hand, at most he was fighting on par with Zamasu sometimes.
He mostly had the upper-hand. Vegetto was driving him into a corner and made him very mad to the point where Zamasu grew into a semi-giant.
Zamasu got only one clean hit against Vegetto, but in the end Vegetto was luring Zamasu into his Spirit Sword.
> At least Gogeta got shit done the second he was formed
That's why he was retarded and eating shit in GT right?
> I don't count GT
But you count a non-canon movie? Retard
>adult pan and bra when?
Goten and Trunks are stuck in chibi form and not allowed to participate in any meaningful events or fights since 1996.
... sooo yea, see you in your forties or fifties.
Before episode 86, I was sure this was Gohan's time to shine but after 17 getting such a massive power up and publicity, I'm starting to suspect 17 will take the "third wheel" place next to Goku and Vegeta, the same role Trunks had on the Zamasu arc. There has been a lot of foreshadowing for Gohan taking an active role and even Gohan flying next to Goku and Vegeta but it wouldn't be the first time Dragon Ball throw foreshadowing to the garbage.
>he apparently never improved against vegeta and trunks.
>Butthurt about mortals
>Flawed understanding on how things works
>Lack of long-term thinking
You are perfectly right. Yet, there are lots of people who adopt genocidal, authoritarian and egotistical ideologies precisely because the Others don't comply to their standards.
Zamasu is deeply flawed - so are lots of people. And that's why he's THE villain. In spite of his resourcefulness, of his intelligence, he's wrong about everything that matters. In the same sense, Nazis (and alt-right privileged kids) were and are mostly intelligent and educated people who fail to grasp the minimum about how societies, history and biology works.
more like a super advanced cyborg that could artificially generate infinite ki made by the greatest human scientist that ever lived
The highest canon power level in Z was Freeza's 1 million. Lets guess final form Freeza was around 10 mil and SS namek Goku was around 13 mil. It's not crazy to imagine that a db genius could build OP as fuck robots stronger than that when db bulma helped create capsules that could shrink ANYTHING.
>Goku's entire plan in the Buu saga to not kill Buu right away was letting Goten and Trunks fuse and defeat him to prove that earth has more saviors when he isn't around anymore
Yeah, of course not, Vegitocuck.
Because Vegeta fucked up the dance, not because the fusion itself is a useless jobber.
>Some of them have been dead too many times to be revived
What are the Namek Balls?
>He mostly had the upper-hand. Vegetto was driving him into a corner and made him very mad to the point where Zamasu grew into a semi-giant. Zamasu got only one clean hit against Vegetto, but in the end Vegetto was luring Zamasu into his Spirit Sword.
He also didn't give a fuck about that Spirit Sword and shrugged off the Final Kamehameha that caused Vegito the defuse because it was so powerful.
>That's why he was retarded and eating shit in GT right?
Already said I don't count GT, and since they are both technically non-canon, I can be selective. You're fucking stupid, as all Cuckjobto fans seem to be.
>look up artist
>he ship Trunk with Sanae
What the fuck? Is there some meme I'm missing?
I don't completely disagree. However, none of the writing and execution problems of Zamasu's arc diminished him directly. He was well presented as he was and his lines were usually good. He went on to become a fine character by himself even if his arc had pacing, consistency and some QUALITY problems.
I can't, I'm busy planning my next trip to London.
/v/ bans DBZ threads even though video games exists so I'm going to ask here
Why the fuck has Dabura not been in Xenoverse yet
Also why the Fuck did thy ignore Baby Vegeta but shove his great ape form as a boss and still keep the fucking dragons as playable
RR science magic
>Gero did not know SS existed
>Piccolo fused with Nail and fought first form Frieza
Fusion causes bullshit power increases yes
>Goku ridiculous Namek Zenkai
The higher PL the Saiyan has the bigger the Zenkai
We don't even know how strong Goku got from the Zenkais because no canon numbers exist, just like nobody knows how strong Frieza got after his 1 million.
Looking at what he did, you're probably right.
>And that's why he's THE villain.
That's a lame excuse to give him a flimsy motivation and not make his convictions somewhat reasonably or explore his warped mind. Light from Death Note was a villain yet at first his motivation was understandable and you could see how Light would think what he was doing is right. The same can not be said for Zamasu at all.
They just gave him a generic villain goal (I want to kill everyone but me) with a flimsy reason( b-but it's justice!!!) in a shitty attempt at making a interesting villain.
I feel you, bro. I've been asking those questions myself too.
Baby's a much cooler enemy than the dragons (wtf, why not putting only Omega instead of wasting GT space that could be filled with Super 17 and Baby?!).
Also, Darbura deserved more love from them, specially when you think its story has all to do with his sister's plans and shit.
Dabura's spitting moves and sword abilities would probably be too much work for them to code.
>Master's in history
Oh fuck we're all impressed. What a smart person you must be. Get the fuck out of here and go pretend to be intelligent somewhere else. I'm surprised you haven't started screaming about being an enlightened atheist yet.
As well as a bookend after all these years Goku's gone from an eternal student to a master. Not just of himself but of a new student who will probably surpass him and soar to new heights even he couldn't (That is until GT threw all that in the trash)
Roshi went after her breasts in the OVA.
I mean her name is chi-chi after all. I'm sure she's got a lot in the old milk tanks.
>the most resourceful villain ever.
Well she did have to feed 2 saiyans. I'm sure that does a number on the old chi-chis.
Well, I don't know how hard it is to get a master's degree where in your country, but in mine it was hard as fuck. I had to understand 3 different languages (one of them, an archaic version of it) to do a 200 page work on how people of the xvith century thought about their national states and how it related with their religion. It's not rocket science, but I highly doubt a rocket scientist would do something like that...
Also, yes, I'm atheist, as any decent historian should be. It's not our fault we studied how our species fared through time and understood some similar things about it. I just don't think enlightment is as important as many of my colleagues think - better moral and philosophical codes trump knowledge, IMO.
Trunks beats Zamasu and I'm happy with it.
>What are the Namek Balls?
And how would Vegetto find New Namek, go to it, and find the DBs without Bulma?
> He also didn't give a fuck about that Spirit Sword
Zamasu winced in pain, and then right after Vegetto called him out by saying "I thought you were immortal?"
> Final Kamehameha that caused Vegito the defuse because it was so powerful.
SSB caused Vegetto to de-fuse. Final Kamehameha may have helped, but so does any other technique.
> since they are both technically non-canon, I can be selective.
You can't cherry-pick specific details to fit your argument.
Oh, I bet you did all the stuff you claim, faceless person on the internet. Too bad you didn't know I'm Mike Tyson.
>Also, yes, I'm atheist, as any decent historian should be
Oh god, here it comes. The Tippening.
The entire arc is shit anyway. It doesn't matter what you're fine with.
>And how would Vegetto find New Namek, go to it, and find the DBs without Bulma?
Why would Vegito not know where New Namek is, and why would he not be able to use Instant Transmission?
>Zamasu winced in pain, and then right after Vegetto called him out by saying "I thought you were immortal?"
Oh god, he showed a slight bit of pain at having a fucking energy sword rammed through him. Vegito clearly had him on the ropes.
>SSB caused Vegetto to de-fuse. Final Kamehameha may have helped, but so does any other technique.
Okay. Zamasu still shrugged off Vegito's ultimate attack like a fucking joke.
>You can't cherry-pick specific details to fit your argument.
Why does it matter? You fags will just scream "NON-CANON" so it doesn't matter which one I pull from. At least Fusion Reborn occurred in a non-canon universe identical to the canon one. GT is literally fanfiction.
Give him incredibly long, strongly written paragraph that references your military history and ability to kill him easily. And then finish by telling him you've already set into motion an event that will cause him direct harm.
That'll show him.
That wasn't me. He's just a fellow with good taste.
Also, you don't need to believe in anything - to be fair, I think I should've just answered the 'your mom' thing and let it be at it.
>Entire arc is shit
I think the arc has some problems, but I don't think Zamasu, as a character, is to blame for any of it.
Because I don't want to do the fuckton of things I should be doing.
Actual Demon God Darbra-absorbed Buu:
Ankoku Majin Buu(Xeno)
>Why would Vegito not know where New Namek is
Wasn't Dende killed by Buu's Extinction attack? How would Vegetto know?
> why would he not be able to use Instant Transmission
He needs to sense ki to IT. How could he sense ki from a planet galaxies away?
> Oh god, he showed a slight bit of pain
So i proved your "Didn't give a fuck about spirit sword" wrong. Glad you understand
> Okay. Zamasu still shrugged off Vegito's ultimate attack like a fucking joke.
We didn't see his initial reaction, because Zamasu was behind smoke. Of course it was ineffective, Zamasu is immortal with regenerative properties
> GT is literally fanfiction.
And so are DBZ Movies 1-13
So if you want to use non-canon, you can't just cherry-pick the specific ones you like. You can't use M12 Gogeta, and not GT Gogeta, if you want people to take your argument seriously
You are memetard because all you have done is post fedoras and continue to go offtopic with him. Who was on topic before and now we know boring shit about him like this >>156022672
Still no goddamn leaks. Instead it's you idiots repeating the same autistic arguments
>Wasn't Dende killed
No. Popo threw him off the Lookout.
>He needs to sense ki to IT. How could he sense ki from a planet galaxies away?
I dunno, how could Goku? He could also ask King Kai to help, or Dende, or the Supreme Kai. Or just have the Supreme Kai port him there.
>So i proved your "Didn't give a fuck about spirit sword" wrong. Glad you understand
Grasping at straws now, are we?
>We didn't see his initial reaction, because Zamasu was behind smoke. Of course it was ineffective, Zamasu is immortal with regenerative properties
Oh but the Spirit Sword was effective? What a fucking dumbass you are, you can't even argue coherently.
> Final Kamehameha
> Ultimate attack
If F.Kamehameha is Vegetto's ultimate, then kamehameha is Goku's ultimate.
Vegetto's actual ultimate would be something like Big Bang Spirit Bomb
I'm going to go insane if there's not another manga chapter soon....
Seriously, I'm hitting my breaking point. Every week it's one awful thing after another. Not a week goes by without Toei doing something to run this story into the ground. My frustration gets even worse when people still adamantly choose to believe any of this is supposed to be canon.
The manga's the only thing helping me keep it together, guys. It's the only thing that feels like any shred of the love, care, attention, and effort put into what made this story great in the first place. But it's only one chapter to every four episodes of vomit. I don't know if I can take much more of this.
Does anyone know when the next chapter's supposed to come out?
>Vegito stays fused and defeats Buu.
>Beerus shows up looking for Super Saiyan God.
>Not enough Saiyans.
>Earth gets Hakai'd
>I dunno, how could Goku?
When did Goku ever IT to a distant galaxy?
Why go through all this trouble finding New Namek and the DBs, when Vegetto could just rip his friends away from Buu?
He didn't know he was going to defuse inside Buu, and didn't know Buu would transform into Kid Buu. Rescuing his friends seemed like the easier option at the time
> Grasping at straws now, are we?
I was only proving your point wrong
> Oh but the Spirit Sword was effective?
It wasn't but it confirmed Vegetto's guess that fusing with Black backfired.
If you're talking about Trunks' Spirit Bomb blade, it wasn't effective. He cut his body in half due to the attack being a sword, but it didn't kill Zamasu. Zen-chan did.
Stay strong, anons.
And fucking around with Buu almost got the entire universe ripped apart. Vegito should have just killed him and done the extra work to gather the Balls. Who cares if it takes longer? There's no imminent universal threat.
>f you're talking about Trunks' Spirit Bomb blade, it wasn't effective. He cut his body in half
But anon, Zamasu is an immortal with regenerative properties.
Cuckgito a shit.
>Vegeto beats buu
>Chi Chi murders Bulma so she can have Vegeto
>The story ends because Super isn't canon
Goku's most-used attack, not as powerful as the Spirit Bomb but infinitely faster and more convenient
n-not Vegito's ultimate attack! m-muh headcanon!
>And fucking around with Buu almost got the entire universe ripped apart.
No it didn't
There was never any real danger while Vegetto was still around
> But anon, Zamasu is an immortal with regenerative properties.
And how do you regenerate when your body is split into two? Zamasu's only shown to have normal regeneration, not the extremely enhanced regeneration that Cell had
>never any real danger
Except for when Buu's screaming almost tore the dimensions apart.
What does that even mean? Your argument is shit, you stupid Cuckgitofag.
Oh look you actually tried an actual argument this time
> Goku's most-used attack
Which is WHY F.Kamehameha shouldn't be considered an ultimate
His most ultimate attack would borrow the ultimate from both Goku and Vegeta
> Mortal potara limit still exists
> Goku destroys Zamasu's body instead of Trunks
> Zen-chan still destroys timeline
> End of arc: Trunks leaves, without seeing Gohan
The shitstorm would be pretty funny.
Well ain't that sweet.
>And Vegetto can easily handle that
Except that stopping Buu was a struggle. Vegito had to get serious and when he did even that wasn't enough. He had to force it. It was a close call.
>Closer to Piccolo's regeneration. Not Cell's.
Cell's regeneration is a product of his cells being partially Piccolo's you fuck.
>anime teasing Uub already
Let's face it guys. It's ending.
>>And Vegetto can easily handle that
>Except that stopping Buu was a struggle. Vegito had to get serious and when he did even that wasn't enough. He had to force it. It was a close call.
That's filler nonsense. Wasn't in the manga.
>Except that stopping Buu was a struggle. Vegito had to get serious and when he did even that wasn't enough. He had to force it. It was a close call.
> Cell's regeneration is a product of his cells being partially Piccolo's you fuck.
Piccolo can only regenerate limbs. Cell can regenerate from a single cell.
If you think both are the same, you're retarded
'A-are you crying?!' is the best DBS line of all times
Piccolo states in the Buu Saga that he can regenerate as long as his head is intact.
We also saw Freeza surviving while cut in piece. Cell's regen is basically a combination of both abilities.
>Piccolo states in the Buu Saga that he can regenerate as long as his head is intact.
Right. And if Piccolo had Zamasu's regeneration, being sliced in half (head as well) wouldn't have allowed him to regenerate.
I accept your concession. You canon autists are so fucking stupid you're convinced it's everyone else that's stupid.
>Piccolo can only regenerate limbs. Cell can regenerate from a single cell. If you think both are the same, you're retarded
Yeah, it's been explained that Cell's regeneration comes from Piccolo while his ability to survive basically any wound is from Frieza. Cuckgitotards are not only stupid, they're apparently illiterate.
>except vegitto could go ssj2 anytime he wanted
Just like Vegeta could go SS3, he just doesn't because he doesn't want to, right?
You have no fucking argument you dipshit. "IT DOESN'T MATTER!" isn't an argument
You're wrong, the scene isn't canon, and will never be addressed in canon. Get the fuck over it.
You're an idiot if you think using non-canon material as an argument means anything.
> Yeah, it's been explained that Cell's regeneration comes from Piccolo
Maybe Imperfect Cell. But Piccolo can't regenerate from a single cell like Perfect Cell can.
>>Just like Vegeta could go SS3, he just doesn't because he doesn't want to, right?
vegeta didnt know about ssj3, but both vegeta and goku could go ssj2 easily, vegetto could do it too, he never did because he didnt have to. vegetto could probably even go ssj3 since he knew how and had a lot of stamina after fusion to keep it up no problem, tldr you are retarded
Your argument is "MUH CANON" sperging. Get the fuck out.
These two things are not the same.
>But Piccolo can't regenerate from a single cell like Perfect Cell can.
Cell could regenerate because of Piccolo's regeneration, and he could stay alive as a single cell because of Frieza.