Is Hyouka a well written show?

Objectively yes

Could be worse.

Yes in terms of fleshing out and developing its characters.

I give it 10 minutes until that one faggot comes in to say that Satoshi calling himself a "database" and Oreki going by a dumb motto (which he plainly grows out of) undermines the whole thing.

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>>155999196
No.

>>155999392
You were close

It was decent enough, but the gary stu main character and the cringe worthy dialogue of the side characters brought it down a peg.

The two girls of the show had better character development and made the show a little more bearable.

>>155999196
Could be better without Kyoani bullshit

>>155999492

10 minutes *maximum*, so I'm golden.

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I just rewatched this show and realized that the last few episodes of the show after the whole festival arc were fluff that didn't need to be added

Aside from that the writing is pretty alright

>>155999535
>wiithout kyoani
>better
No. Hyouka without Kyoani wouldn't even have regular threads on /a/.

>>155999704
Thanks for proving my words.

>>155999704
That doesn't prove anything but the fanbase's bias.

>>155999521
>cringe

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>>155999196
Of course it is. Kyoto Animation is well-known for their quality writing.

>>155999535
So without the good direction and animation?

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yes.

that doesnt stop me from wanting to kill myself after 10 episodes or so

>>155999196
Just from looking at the image, it probably doesn't do anything new. Genki boy and girl, plain boy and girl. Not bad, just cliche.

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>>156000013
>source of that Alice
Kinshi.

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>>155999971
Instead of a polished turd it would be just a turd.

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>>155999919
https://youtu.be/M9qNMV9c4Ek?t=1m8s

"quality writing"

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>>156000094
thats why its the best image to show true despair

>>156000145
That was the best written moment in the series,

>>155999196
>Ridiculous lovely characters
>Amazing animation
>Amazing OST
>Decent mysteries

Yeah I guess

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>>156000145
KyoAni successfully created an aura of suspense by skillfully animating bouncing breasts. That's legendary-tier writing, anon.

>>156000297
>>Decent mysteries
>who closed the door?
>it was the janitor
B R A V O
R
A
V
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>>156000403
The mysteries are decent in that they're well-structured with clues and solutions and such, but yeah the stories themselves are pretty lame.

>>155999657
>the last few episodes of the show after the whole festival arc were fluff that didn't need to be added
You're retarded. Those episodes are full of character development.

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Has a studio ever produced a better four consecutive anime seasons than K-On! => K-On!! => Nichijou => Hyouka?

I liked the first mystery, kinda bummed that there weren't more like it. Of course I don't care for how meh the ending was. Gag bits and animation highlights were neat too.

If the LNs were just on store shelves around here, I'd probably pick it up.

Over half of it is boring shit, and no one ever mentions them because it really is that forgettable.

>>156001007
I mean, Ghibli opened with about a dozen golden movies, but you're only talking TV? There aren't really any animation studios in Japan which allow that kinda consistency.

>>156001007
nichijou is utter waste of time and money.

>>156001504
Nichijou was a masterpiece.

>>156001618
Fuck off.

>>156001504
You're thinking of Hyouka

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>>156001664
No. Fuck you.

>>156000403

>L I T E R A L L Y 2deep4u

Does the "importance" of a mystery really matter to so many people?
Shouldn't the quality of a mystery be judged based on how thought out the clues and conclusions and structure is, not by the scenario itself. That's what adds excitement to a mystery, figuring/finding it out. Not the fact that's it's about a murder instead of a school betrayal or a missing diamond vs a missing earring.

Always seemed like a silly complaint regarding this series that I see oten.

>>156002054
Fuck off.

>>156000403

> Why did my teacher mess up his lecture?

You have no idea how much that mystery triggered me. But the fact that I was captivated throughout the entire episode is a testament to how well written the story is.

>>156002085
What is wrong with you?
Stop shitposting.

>>156002156
Basically you're forcing yourself throughout simply because of the unnecessary animation for ADD retards.

Well done.

>>155999196

>Yes in terms of fleshing out and developing its characters.

I love see animes about friendship cliches created by professional writers.

>>155999196

two men and two women in that small club room and no school orgies?, yes of course, it´s well written

>>156001391
>LN
it's a full fledged novel
also if you think the anime ending was meh wait until you read the last chapter of the novel

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>>156002408
>Basically you're forcing yourself throughout simply because of the unnecessary animation for ADD retards.

Here's where you're misunderstanding, I wasn't forcing myself to watch the episode. IT FLEW BY like any other episode. Why? Because, as I said before, I was completely engrossed in how Oreki's thought process in determining the solution.

>>156002698
Oh yeah, I forgot it was a full novel. I guess I now have a bad habit to just knee jerk out LN if it's got ties to anime. Even at this point I might just look into it if available for academic purpose. Lately I've just been diving into stuff regardless of quality so I know what's up with it.

>>156002698

I actually liked the ending of the anime, but what's the ending of the latest novel?

>>156003098
I felt the same for the epsiode with the announcement on the loudspeaker.

>>155999196
I can finally watch Hyouka, since it is getting a dub.

>>156003251
Congratulations.

>>155999847
>Pretending it's not forced drama over something stupid
I've seen paint dry with more acting conflict than the show.

>Did I enjoy it?
Yeah it was decent and fun to follow the mysteries while guessing them.
>Was it well written and well paced?
No it drags through the mud and takes forever with little to no character development.

They spend too much time trying to give exposition in "I'm this character and I can't act any other way".

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>>155999196
Yes

Anyone care to post that pasta about the pseudo confession from the last episode?

>>155999196
No

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>>156003217
>I felt the same for the epsiode with the announcement on the loudspeaker.

I ADORED THAT EPISODE.

That episode is the go to episode for if I want to recommend the series to someone because it perfectly encapsulates what Hyouka is about. If you didn't like that episode, episode 19, you won't enjoy the series.

>>156004385
>it perfectly encapsulates what Hyouka is about
Boring shit where Oreki magically comes to a conclusion?

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>>155999919
They're known for their quality animation and sometimes for their quality direction. Writing isn't really a factor, it varies wildly, especially considering their source material. Good direction can sometimes overshadow it though, since a lot of storytelling can be conveyed through the visuals.

I think Hyouka had good character writing, but not phenomenal. The mystery plotlines were fine, but the characters really took center stage. However, It's overall package was extremely high quality.

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>>156004493
>I think Hyouka had good character writing

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>>156004516
And by the end of the series he's changed. Chitanda motivates him and he finally sees that rose-colored life he was disparaging in the beginning. That's character development, the hallmark of good character writing.

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>>156004558
>That's character development, the hallmark of good character writing.
Since when is character development the hallmark of good writing

Good writing is writing that doesn't make you cringe at whatever the faggot main characters have to say

You can have shit writing and still have character development.

>>156004421
yes. and?

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I'm liking these constant threads now.

>>156004602
How can you even watch anime if you can't tolerate writing like this?

>>156004602
>look at this shit translation
>isn't this dialogue terrible?

>>156004713
>all anime writing is bad so you should just accept it!
Retard

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>>156004602
>Since when is character development the hallmark of good writing
Since time immemorial. Go back to school, kid.

I would also blame that line on coalgirls' translation, not on the actual japanese dialogue.

>>156004767
If you think character development where a character changes his personality simply for the sake of the story having character development is good writing then you are the one who needs to go back to school.

There are plenty of great well written static characters in literature.

>He changes at the end
>Character development
Might as well call it ending characteristic

>>156004835
>character development where a character changes his personality simply for the sake of the story having character development
Yeah right.
Hyouka fucking exists for the character development. It's not "change of personality for no reason" the very core of Hyouka's story is the change in Oreki's point of view and lifestyle.

>>155999196
People love to say this (and other KyoAni shows) have great direction. That's complete bullshit. They have great animation and art sure, but there are god-damn youtube vloggers with better cinematography than is in KyoAni shows. KyoAni's idea of an establishing shot is just showing you random hallways or people's legs and expecting you to know where they are at. This shit makes Shaft looks like geniuses when they're really bad as well.

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>>156004421
>Boring shit where Oreki magically comes to a conclusion?

That was episode 19 anon. If you didn't like that episode, you must have found 90% of the anime boring. Why did you force your way up to that point?

>>156005072
>Why did you force your way up to that point?
Because I wanted to see how bad it was for myself and see it through to the end.

Not sure why Kyoani faggots have such a hard time understanding this.

>>156004835
What? How else is a character supposed to change their personality if there isn't character development? The premise of this argument makes no sense. And note, I said that the story has good character writing. The plot isn't all that engaging, but the focus of Hyouka is the character development.

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>>156005145
>I said that the story has good character writing.
And you're still wrong.

>ctrl f
>Zzz
>0/0

>>156005050
>>156004493

>Hyouka is bad
>Alright, what do you like better?
>Flip Flappers

Saved you all a lot of time when talking to 90% users.

>>156005167
>dialogue is character writing
and you're wrong too

>>156005176
get with the times, the current shitposting trend in Hyouka threads is "hurr bad dialogue" and posting screenshots or satoshi

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>>156005296
>>dialogue is character writing
correct

>>156004558
>That's character development, the hallmark of good character writing.
Not really. Not all characters need to change in a story. And a character changing doesn't automatically make the story good. Of course this doesn't really apply to Hyouka, but you're speaking as though all stories are automatically good if they have the character change, or that static characters are inherently bad.

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>>156005167
I really don't know what you're trying to prove with these screenshots. That Oreki is a bad character because he's smart? The mysteries in hyouka aren't that obtuse. Oreki isn't Sherlock level OP, he's just a clever high school student. Even if he did have an IQ uf 600 and solved every mystery by smelling the tuna that the student counsel president had for lunch two days ago it still wouldn't count against the show, since hyouka wasn't about the mystery, it was about the character growth.

>>156005111
>Because I wanted to see how bad it was for myself and see it through to the end.
>Not sure why Kyoani faggots have such a hard time understanding this.

Realize this is your thought process:

> I hear X piece of media is really bad and so I check it out
> I realize I agree with the opinions I heard on X
> I still decide to continue watching X even though I derive absolutely no pleasure from it and no one has a proverbial gun to my head to make me finish it

Surely you must understand why people would inquire as to why you choose to continue to consume a piece of media that you dislike, no? If you feel you must finish something you start, that's fine, just know that people will question why you would continue to do something that you found out you dislike because normally, people who dislike something would choose to avoid it when they have the choice. You're obviously choosing to do something that goes against the flow so you're in no position to call people faggots for inquiring about your decisions.

Also, accept and acknowledge that you're not going to like everything under the sun. Just because you dislike X product doesn't make it a bad product.

>>156005304
It's not.
And by the way, you posting screenshots and calling it bad is not an argument. Why are those specific lines of dialogue not appropriate for fictional works where metaphors are a huge part of the storytelling, like Hyouka? Why should every character in fiction talk the way you would?

>>156004558
'good character writing' means realistic. That's why people throw around the term "three-dimensional" i.e. real life has three dimensions. There's pretty much nothing realistic about most of these characters. They are walking cliches with overexagerrated or underexaggerated emotions to give them a distinct personality rather than a realistic or believable one.

>>156005304
>how dare this person speak in an informal manner about something that both parties will understand to his friend
You have literal autism. I'm inclined to believe that you don't understand metaphors or anything of the sort if you think there's anything wrong with that line.

No.
The writing and situations doesn't let the characters shine even though the basis are there.
The mysteries are bullshit too. No way to solve them with the clues presented.
It's also very dull.
Overall it's terribly written.

>>156005494
>The mysteries are bullshit too. No way to solve them with the clues presented.
Brainlet spotted!!!
Kyoani sure knows how to weed them out.

>>156005520
>Brainlet spotted!!!
I'm sure you figured the smell in the first episode without any clue or way to know what it was.
Surely.
As well as the meaning of Hyouka too!

oreki and chitanda don't get together, not even close

so no

>>156005491
When people use the term "three-dimensional", they aren't describing how realistic the characters are, they are describing their depth of emotion, motivation, and development. A one-dimensional character has a limited range of emotion and undergoes no character development. Think of someone like Aqua from KonoSuba. She's great for comic relief, but there's no depth to her character. What you see is what you get, and she never changes or learns anything over the series. Oreki has multiple dimensions. He says that he avoids interacting with people because it's not worth the effort, but he actually feels lonely and isolated. When people reach out to him he starts to feel valued and by the end he volunteers himself to work hard for the girl he fell for and see's the world from a new perspective.

As for exaggerated emotions, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You'll have to provide an example, but everyone seemed more than grounded to me, especially by anime standards. I'm not sure what makes them cliches, either. Because they are high school students? Cliches aren't really a bad thing, if the characters still have emotional depth.

>>156005785
They did tell each other their feeling through some subtle pseudo confession.

>>155999196
No. It's shit.

>>156005792
>As for exaggerated emotions, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about
Chitanda's curiosity is totally subtle and nuanced.

No and really, three-dimensional means realistic. Depth is the geometric definition. Look it up in Merriam-webster.

>>156000145
This was actually pretty clever

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>>156000145

>>156006307
K-on has some good shit

>>156005491
>'good character writing' means realistic.
I think this is true, however "realistic" would depend on the reality of the world the characters live in, not irl. So in this case, being an anime, I think having over or underexaggerated emotions is legitimate and doesn't mean they are unrealistic/unbelievable, their entire world is over or underexaggerated for artistic effect.

>>156006307
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but that line is the kind of shit that yui says

should have been an ova with just the Sekitani Jun arc desu

>tfw to intelligent to confess my feelings

>>156005520
>Brainlet spotted!!!

This is like the physical form of cancer.

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>>155999196
No, it's a poor man's Haruhi that tries to hide its lack of substance behind the self important visuals and music.
Sadly the dialogue and characterization are too bad to just ignore.

>>156008643
Pretty much this. Oreki is nu-Kyon.

>>155999196
I'd say yes. It's also KyoAni's best written show.