what the fuck do they even do in Avalon? It's just a bunch of grass and a gay tree, shit's gonna get boring fast.
>>155988720
What's wrong with gay trees?
mana transfers feel great
There are fairies and you can chill with Merlin
>>155988720
Ponos in vagoo.
>>155988720
i want gay trees
>>155988720
Even fucking grass will become interesting after 5 minutes with Boreturia.
>>155988720
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQfyR7D7s4g
They chill in a frozen moment of glorious melancholy.
Make lots and lots of babies in a log cabin.
shit taste, it's beautiful
Avalon has wifi in the tower
>>155994283
>You will never shitpost from Avalon
Threesomes with this literal semen demon.
>>155994386
Merlin canonically shitposts from Avalon
and also catfishes Solomon, king of all magic
>>155988720
This is fanart, right?
>>155988720
Shirou's gonna go crazy if he doesn't have at least a few brown people to take pot shots at.
Merlin was able to run an idol blog and cybergsex with King Solomon, I'm sure he can give them free cable if they ask.
>>155994432
Solomon is pretty hot, I'll catfish him too.
>>155988720
Traditionally in afterlife theology, positive afterlives have an all-encompassing sense of satisfaction and bliss in a manner that you cannot acquire with a meat-brain (that constantly seeks finite quantities of dopamine and serotonin).
Francis Drake's profile confirms that Avalon is within the land of the dead, even if the people there are "alive by technicality".
Saber a shit. Sakura is Shirou's true love.
>>155994583
nah
>>155994563
So it's like being high 24/7?
I don't know if I like that idea.
>>155994637
Shirou feels refreshed, youthful and fulfilled. It's more a warm content that heals his wounds and fixes his emptiness. Makes him feel nostalgic too.
>>155994637
Roughly speaking. You still keep all your cognitive functions, but boredom becomes a choice rather than an automatic result of lacking significant enrichment.
>Arturia stuck into eternal slumber until some ginger guy arrives and both become normal people when they awake
>Arthur goes into worlds saving adventures to meet his waifu again
>>155994775
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's my meat-brain, but I just can't comprehend what is essentially, being sitting around in an empty field for all eternity.
I'd need some kind of stimulation. Eventually even sex without get monotonous.
>>155994864
what is essentially heaven*
>>155994864
Merlin is able to kept himself amused and he's stuck in a tower, but Merlin has Clairvoyance and item creation. So there's that.
Maybe they could be dispatched to save the world as Male Arthur is, but doesn't sound likely. It sounds like they can only be reunited when her 'duty as the king' ends and she's allowed to be a person. But sucks her duty consists in a dreamless slumber while Arthur hops around worlds cutting down monsters and shit.
>>155994864
That is indeed your meat-brain singing for enrichment. Boredom is an accident of chemistry.
See, your brain evolved to make you want to do things, because if you were happy with not doing things, you'd lay on the ground until you die of dehydration, blissful but ephemeral.
But you can't die of dehydration in an afterlife! So that impulse to action is deleted.
>>155995004
what is this people qualified to be grand caster?
>>155994864
>Empty field
Avalon is literally a home for all magical creatures who fled the destruction of the Ages of Gods.
>>155995043
Clairvoyance Trio.
>>155995029
That seems even more concerning. Like, living in Avalon can changes the facets of who I am. Make me a lazy piece of shit.
I mean, I like to sit on my ass a fair bit, don't get me wrong, but eternity would be a bit long.
>>155995074
All I've ever seen of it is a big field. Would love to see more if it's cooler than what's been presented to me.
They can discuss how Saber is actually a really weak servant without her literal invincibility
>>155995139
Because the focus was a reunion. You can see Merlin's tower in his NP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXFSDOzmgQw
And if you pan the field, you can see mountains and a lake. Merlin has WiFi and a computer. He used to run a blog pretending to be an idol, Magi Mari, to help Roman.
>>155995139
>That seems even more concerning. Like, living in Avalon can changes the facets of who I am. Make me a lazy piece of shit.
It doesn't "make" you do anything. You can be as active as you desire. You simply will not be punished for being inactive as a living entity would.
>>155995518
But I mean, if it's altering your mental state to feel content, that's still a little worrying.
I don't know, man. Goes back to the meat-brain thing. We're dancing around the concept of eternal happiness, and while that sound great, I just can't comprehend it properly. Don't think anyone really can.
>>155995139
>Like, living in Avalon can changes the facets of who I am. Make me a lazy piece of shit.
Are you retarded? We have an example of Merlin who has been stuck there for thousand of years and he hasn't lost or changed who he was. Sounds like you're just trying to shit on a happy ending because Rin and Sakura got the short end of the stick.
>>155995656
Sounds to me like you're trying to bring a shipping debate (fuckin' lol) onto a discussion of how exactly you could stave off boredom in the face of eternal life.
>>155995621
>But I mean, if it's altering your mental state to feel content, that's still a little worrying.
It's not. Your default state is content, which is to say, there are no crises or ongoing issues. It's boredom as a result of lack of enrichment that results in agitation. It's preserving your mental state, if anything, preventing a degradation associated with the passage of time.
>>155995840
Doesn't our desire to seek "enrichment" help define who we are, though? Even if it's just shit like watching anime. We gain hobbies and personal interests through trying to stave off boredom.
If you're constantly content, that sounds like something that could chip away at a piece of what constructs the idea of your "self."
Was Last Episode a good addition to FSN?
>>155995992
Only if you're defining yourself by your hobbies and interests. Buddha disapproves of such transient attachment.
>>155996090
>Last Episode
Is just a flashback. The ending is called Realta Nua.
>>155996128
Well that's definitely getting into some deeper philosophy shit if I try and start to define who I am without the connotations of what I do.
>>155988720
It's a utopia. I'm sure they're fine.
>>155994497
>>155996090
It's 'aight. I mean it is what it is. A little addendum Nasu added for people who wanted a happier ending to the Fate route. He eventually got around to jotting up an epilogue to UBW too, and I'm sure the movies will expand the ending to HF as well.
>>155996181
In Buddhism the self is reflected in the eternity of understanding. By defining yourself through what is material you lose the self. Those things are more you than you and thus you forget about the person that can choose.
You are able to do, but to be what you do is to lose the one that chooses to do. The ability to understand what you do becomes marred.
It's why Buddha preached moderation.
>>155996360
Guess it goes back to what there is to "choose" while in Avalon. What good is there to have a proper understanding of "you," if "you" can't really do all that much.
But hey, if there's wifi though, that's cool too. Any one of us could be shitposting from Avalon right now and not even know it.
What are your top 3 favourite endings (true, good, bad) in FSN?
>>155996674
This is why you're not enlightened anon and why you'll never see the kaleidoscope of the thread of time shimmering through the bubbles of the infinite as they refract the light of nirvana painting the eyes of the fish swimming through the endless cosmos captured in the reflection of a mirror that is the dollop of morning dew.
>>155996727
UBW True
UBW Good
Sparks Liner High
>>155996800
oh no
>>155996727
Continuation of the Dream
Return to Spring
Mind of Steel
>tfw I'll finally be able to read Grand Order and people won't be able to make fun of me anymore for not knowing what the fuck people were speaking about during discussion that involved GO material
>>155997016
Too bad Orleans and Septem are pretty boring.
>>155994583
Everyone knows this as much as they try to deny it.
Sakura >> the world
>>155998595
Stop samefagging Sakura
>>155998780
You mean Shirou
>>155997016
Good you can shitpost with us about Nero.
>>155999369
Playing Extella was enough to make me hate Nero. Holy fuck, what a mess. And I thought Saberwank was bad, at least Saberwank has half a reason to be justified mythos wise. Nerowank is fucking out of nowhere just because fuck you Nero da bes.
As long as my waifu is happy, I'm happy!
>>155999552
Yeah, you're going to love Septem.
>>155999552
I only played Extra and thought Nero was pretty fun. What happened anon?
>>155999727
Oh, I know. Some anon gave me a summary of it the other day and I was baffled.
That the Extra anime is gonna be even more Nerowank doesn't help either.
>>155999756
Saber Venus happened.
>>155999865
It's ok, lots of other orders and characters compensate for that.
1/3.
>>155999980
>>156000024
>>155999980
>>156000024
>>156000073
Does the self-insert has any semblance of character? Or if he's just a silent self-insert everyone loves because it's (you)?
>>156000134
It's a blank self-insert, sometimes have some dialogue and scenes (in the prologue for example, but most of it was axed in First Order), but it's not even their story. So yes, basically that's the reason.
>>156000232
What a shame. I enjoyed Hakuno a lot because despite being a seemingly blank self-insert at first had very nice sparks of character and personality here and there. It was a pleasant surprise.
>>156000134
Most of the time, there's zero personality, but not everyone loves (you) romantically. So there's that at least.
>>156000232
It's a real shame. Nasu used to write some really interesting protagonists.
I guess when you go down the mobage route though, you're already deep diving into wish fulfillment. Better to go all the way and strip out any sense of personality.
>>156000304
Extra and CCC were in a way Hakuno's story (their journey to be a person). Extella suffers because this element is taken away, except for Altera's route, I guess.
FGO is Roman's story, with Mashu also growing as a person. Maybe part 2 will be different, but I somewhat doubt it. Nasu said it was just a self insert blank character.
>>156000365
>Nasu used to write some really interesting protagonists.
Nasu still did an interesting protagonist. The main character is more of an audience surrogate rather than the focus of the show. Think about Christine in Phantom of the Opera or Watson in Sherlock Holmes. The narrator and POV aren't the one the story is about.
>>156000365
You, the player, are not the protagonist of Grand Order. Romani Archaman is.
>>156000523
>>156000483
Well, the discussion is not about (you) being the protagonist but about (you) having a personality or not.
>>156000591
(you) are (you),if they give you a personality, it would clash with self inserting. I'm not saying I like it. Because Nasu could have done a happy middle ground by merging Roman and the player character.
>>156000591
You seemed to intend to degrade the story by calling it "wish fulfilment", which is incorrect and to be disputed.
>>156000591
You said this
>Nasu used to write some really interesting protagonists.
The protagonist of the story was very interesting.
>>156000674
Hakuno was also a (you) but he had a personality.
>>156000707
>>156000723
That was not me. I'm >>156000134 >>156000304
>>156000483
With mobage inserts it's a lot more slimy than the stories you mentioned. Having a character who exists to be an audience insert can work with varying degrees of success, but here it's mostly just to bait you into repeatedly spending money, and that's kind of the biggest shame.
Without even the hope of a proper personality or character development, (You) are just there to cough up cash to hang out with all your favorite servants who dote over how great (You) are.
>>155988720
>shit's gonna get boring fast
>Having the chance to live and fuck eternally with Saber
I wouldn't mind.
>>155988720
they sex
>>155988720
Alright so fucking apparently, GO is now the "core" of the fate series????
So all this shit I've read and watched and played (VN, HA, zero, extra, Extella, SF, Apocrypha, prisma illya) means fucking nothing? What the fuck?
As EOP, am I just gonna have to wait for GO usa release to experience the "actual" fate universe? Why did Nasu pull this shit?
>>156000757
Hakuno wasn't (you), Nasu said in a blog/interview Guda is the only 100% self insert. Hakuno had a backstory.
>>156000790
Naturally, but for their genre and medium, those were audience surrogates too.
>>156001034
>So all this shit I've read and watched and played (VN, HA, zero, extra, Extella, SF, Apocrypha, prisma illya) means fucking nothing? What the fuck?
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>>156001034
>So all this shit I've read and watched and played (VN, HA, zero, extra, Extella, SF, Apocrypha, prisma illya) means fucking nothing? What the fuck?
No. Think of it like FSN, and the stuff before it, were Warcraft, while FGO is WoW. The former is the base that established everything, while the latter is the radically popular product that has a means of updating the story continuously.
>>156001034
They milked all they could out of the original fate. GO gives them a whole new cow.
>>156001034
FGO seems to be the core of the whole TM not just Fate.
>>156001155
>and the stuff before it
and the stuff around it*
>>156001034
>I have to wait for 3 months, NOOOOOOOO
>>156001034
what would Personas be classified in Nasuverse? PSI?
>>156001155
>From the beginning of the planning phase, I thought, "Fate Grand Order has to be this grand story where every single character from all the Fate/ series until now would show up, or else it would be pointless." Then I felt extreme, thinking "even if I die, I have to pass this on to the next person… Actually, I should just pour all of my chips and assets into this." This is why I had to put in everything up into this and turn it into the core setting of the Fate/ universe.
I firmly believe that Shirou and Taiga would've been the happiest pairing.
>>156001155
FGO core is taken from Prototype, not FSN.
>>156001368
FGO's core isn't taken from anything, it is its own core.
>>156001340
She's in love with Kiritsugu.
>>156001325
Like how WoW is now the main means of delivery the narrative of Warcraft, but as that quote mentions, it would be nothing without the characters and lore already built.
We're still getting new Fate material outside of the game, like the various anime, and Extella, but there's now a singular updatable product that TM can focus things around.
>>156001398
>it is its own core.
>"Fate Grand Order has to be this grand story where every single character from all the Fate/ series until now would show up, or else it would be pointless."
>Actually, I should just pour all of my chips and assets into this."
Alright, well, in terms of TM lore, I guess experiencing all this fate/shit has not been for naught. In terms of enjoyable experiences, it was definitely worth worth reading/watching/playing all this stuff.
Aware me on GO then, my moonspeaker friends. How long is each chapter (in terms of hours)? Ive heard there's like 10 and the second half is top-notch? Isthe US release going to get every chapter translated? I've heard it will initially only get the first two.
I'm literally only going to play GO for the story because FUCK bitchass money-pulling gacha shit. Mobage gacha shit makes me sick. But I'll bear with it since it's fate and I'm a fatefag
>>156001398
>I brought out the very first setting that I made previous to Fate/stay night, the one that was supposed to become Fate/Prototype, and used it as the core of Fate/Grand Order.
> At this stage, I decided to make the title Grand Order, and brought out the once-rejected scenarios for the Beasts.
Proto scenario/world building.
So does this mean only Grand Order is canon now and everything before it did not happen in GO World?
>>156001418
To elaborate on this, you need to look a little at Mahoyo, which was one of Nasu's biggest gambits, that ultimately was a failure. A VN roughly the size of the Fate route, that turned out to be a dud. Despite the art and music, it wasn't well received, and the planned sequels are in limbo.
With FGO, there's a core product there that can keep people interested, even if the story doesn't appeal to everyone, and with that, if something in the story isn't working, they can assess the response, and write to adapt to the tastes of people.
Not to mention, there's much less writing that has to be fully completed first, and then sold. Remember, FSN was close to a million words. I can't imagine how it would have felt for Nasu if people fucking hated it.
>>156001469
No anon. Everything is always canon.
There is nothing that isn't canon in TM. Even the bad ends in the VN are canon.
It's one of the core things about TM lore. Multiple universes.
>>156001469
No, they are parallel worlds. See Accel Zero event where Waver and Roman discuss this.
Of course, the enemy burned everything down and affected all timelines. But that was why everyone was fighting.
>>156001457
>How long is each chapter (in terms of hours)?
Short-form answer: there is notably more text in Grand Order than there is in Stay Night. Stay Night is a novel and plays itself. Grand Order is an actual game with challenge.
>>156001552
>>156001557
Isn't GO about going back in time and fixing shit that went wrong? How does that work exactly with that then?
>>156001552
While everything is canon, every 100 years, the 'filler' timelines and endings are erased now. Because the universe cannot sustain that many dimensions, it doesn't have the energy.
Note that are events that always must take place: like Britain ruin during Arthur's rule. If those are changed, it would make history collapse.
And now you realize Arturia was a fucking idiot.
>>156001682
>And now you realize Arturia was a fucking idiot.
We've known that since forever.
>>156001552
>There is nothing that isn't canon in TM
There are still rules. Not many, but some.
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_Time-Lock
>>156001682
What constitutes a 'filler' timeline?
>>156001706
Whatever Nasu feels like retconning at the moment.
>>156001673
Everything was restored. This anon explains the gist >>156001682 But what needed to be stopped was the incineration to start on the last days of 2016, so removing the power that triggered it and undoing the system that sustained it fixed the timelines after the singularities were resolved.
With the US FGO release, do we know how they're going to handle things? Is it basically going to be like I'm living in late 2014 again?
>>156001761
So everyone I've come to know and love before GO are still alright?
>>156001834
Of course. Nasu isn't going to retcon potential sources of income away.
>>156001706
We don't know exactly, but as long as humanity lives and progresses at a decent pace, without jumps in evolution and be ridden of any challenge that makes them fall into stagnation, that is being kept. A rooted world shouldn't diverge too much from others.
Mind you that most events that took place in Fuyuki are pointless to the grand scheme of things. As long Angra Mainyu's curse wasn't released, those times weren't trimmed. Although another factor could be Saber. Arturia HAS to return and go to Avalon, because that's written down as the Once and Future King (and Merlin mentions his king is in Avalon in FGO). Which would seriously endanger UBW and HF routes future (not that matters, because Shirou and Sakura and Rin would be dead then anyway).
>>156001834
They're missing a year. As in, history is literally one year ahead of where it 'last was' for them. Hasn't been noted to do anything other than piss off the Mages' Association.
>tfw I'll finally be able to understand what the fuck you cunts are talking about in all these fate threads
Thank you to whoever gave the A-ok to bring GO to the land of America.
>>156001834
Yes, to a price.
>>156001907
I don't think there's anything that would hinder Arturia from going to Avalon in UBW True. I mean she more or less finds her answer there.
UBW Good would get pretty fucking sketchy, but that's always been a weird ending if you think too hard about it, and unless Saber got another shot at redemption after HF, that could be an issue. A major point was made in that route about how you couldn't really 'save' Saber.
I doubt though that that's the trigger, since it would mean a popular TV series that still has merch floating around, and an upcoming film trilogy, would be potentially devalued.
Remember, Nasu is most certainly a businessman.
>>156001907
>most events that took place in fuyuki are pointless to the grand scheme of things
This makes me sad. I spent literally hundreds of hours investing in those characters and setting that I know and love and now Nasu just fucking throws them to the curb and says "welp it's just a small ass city and a stupid ass ritual lmao, there's more important things than that shit".
I sincerely hope that once I can experience GO it will make up for this sadness in my heart
>>156001949
Stop spoiling them, it's not nice.
And no, I'm not calling for the post or the thread to be deleted, mods, so don't.
>>156001943
This.
This must have been how being a secondary must felt.
>>156002046
>Nasu just fucking throws them to the curb and says "welp it's just a small ass city and a stupid ass ritual lmao, there's more important things than that shit".
That's how it's been even before GO was a thing.
Honestly, that's the one thing about GO I don't like, it's all extremely huge scales stuff. I want a low-scale grail war again. I've always hated when things go full-on universal scale.
>>156002046
Just because it's a small town story, it doesn't mean you shouldn't care for the characters. It wasn't mean to be a big scenario as Fate Grand Order is. Waver is far more important to the big picture than Shirou, Illya Rin or Sakura. He's a key person to reform the Clock Tower.
>>156002046
Not that guy, anon, but you shouldn't look at things that way. If you enjoy something, you should enjoy it. It doesn't matter how universally important it is in some grander narrative.
You can have a story about two people sitting in a room just talking, and it could be fucking great. An important piece of literature.
FGO is the cashcow right now, but FSN will always be the backbone. There's a reason it's been adapted, and twisted, and referenced a thousand times in a thousand different ways.
>>156002044
>Nasu wanted Ufo to make a Fate route adaptation to keep it consistent with Zero
>Miura threw a tantrum because muh emiya
>Nasu being a polite Japanese man bowed and said it was for the best
>then wrote a short novel about Arturia and Merlin and Camelot to bundle in UBW BD which had Fate route ending as the most important and relevant one of the three routes which directly connects to FGO and big Universe and timeline crisis
>>156002046
Just because it's not big in-universe does not make it any less big in your heart.
>>156001407
Shirou is basically the Kiritsugu Taiga fell in love with though, except instead of being sad he's full of hope because he learns to compromise on his ideals enough to survive in the world.
>>156002044
Nasu said Saber might become a HS after UBW, so it's still pretty fucked unless she finds peace. Merlin implied her change of heart in GoA was an extraordinary fateful encounter (in a very romantic dialogue). I want to believe this will be fixed.
It doesn't matter which timeline gets pruned eventually (except for Fate, which 100% stays), because what matters are the memories and feelings we experienced when we play them. The singularities collapsed but we still kept those memories and cherished those lost moments.
>>156002046
FSN was a story well told. FHA and FZ were decent extensions of that story. Everything beyond that has deviated from the original point and it's just self-perpetuating for it's own sake (and money's sake too, I guess).
>To summon servants you had to make a fancy set-up approved by both clock tower and church and people could only summon and mantain 1 servant at the time and only 7 could be summoned at once
>Chaldea can grab a random hobo from the street and make him summon a gorillion servants all at full strength and have him save the multiverse despite being a even shitter magus than Shirou
Explain this
>>156002129
>>156002135
>>156002169
Thank anons, this actually makes me feel better.
>>156002161
Wait, so the Artoria in F/GO remembers Shirou?
>>156001907
>Which would seriously endanger UBW and HF routes future
>HF routes future
How would it endanger HF? Saber dies there more often than not.
>>155988720
it's not gay if it has feminine leaves.
>>156002299
All Servants remember their previous summons in GO.
>>156002199
Anon, Taiga doesn't love Shirou and still holds a torch for Kiritsugu all these years.
>>156002314
I thought Servants summoned by humans don't get to send their memories to the Throne.
>>156002230
>Nasu said Saber might become a HS after UBW
I'm pretty sure that's specifically implied about UBW Good, which is part of what makes it all fucked.
Saber does have an epiphany during the Archer fight though, so she could theoretically go to Avalon.
>what matters are the memories and feelings we experienced when we play them
This, though. Fuck canon. I read the VN. All of it, and enjoyed it. I don't care if someone wants to get into a pissing match where they try and argue that 2/3rds of their time spent with this massive story was a waste of time. That's their prerogative.
>>156002266
I'm glad it could make you feel better. It's honestly a hard concept to swallow, even IRL everyone wants to be part of the big picture, to be important, to be part of the spotlight, to be the "it". There's nothing bad or to be ashamed of of being part of something smaller, it can be just or even more fulfilling, and those smaller things are important as well.
>>156002352
FGO lore and FSN/FZ/FHA lore are different things
>>156002352
Well, do they do now. Can't have fanservice if you are unable to reference other works.
>>156002161
Going UBW was the smarter move I still feel. Fate/Zero retreads a lot of the Fate route. Like, there's a difference between consistency, and holy shit, this is just the same shit spouted in the earlier show.
Also the narrative would have been all fucked. One of the biggest things Fate hinges on is the mystery behind who Saber is.
You would basically have to rewrite Fate to the point of where I don't think many people would be happy. I'm sure we'll get a Fate adaptation after HF, but going directly after Zero wouldn't be this smooth transition if you think about it well enough.
>>156002413
Wasn't the Throne of Heroes an universal thing? How is it any different in GO?
>>156001521
Well Mahoyo was supposed to be just part 1 of 3, either a trilogy of new kinetic novels or something similar to how Norn split up their eroge into individual route games.
So was Saber summoned from Avalon somehow, then? Does that mean Shirou's alone back there, waiting for her to return?
>The universe literally falls apart without Artoria
Why is this allowed?
>>156002352
The copies' memories are preserved, and they can read them whenever, at the Throne of Heroes. They don't have to, but they can. And then it depends if you're summoning the Heroic Spirit or a Servant, and there's a whole bunch of other complicated crap.
>>156002352
That's just Fuyuki system. Servants are summoned via Chaldea's "FATE" system in FGO (and needs HS to agree to be summoned, by the way). Most have their memories, other memories are fuzzy though.
>>156002266
The best thing in FGO are also the small character moments. Chaldea members have a very 'family' like vibe. It's almost refreshing to see they are all decent people who bury their problems for the sake of the greater good and have faith in the future, instead of brooding around or too concerned about their own obsessions.
>>156002471
>Fate/Zero retreads a lot of the Fate route
Like what? Be specific.
>>156002300
>Saber dies there more often than not.
She never breaks her contract with Alaya and finds peace to go to Avalon to become the Once and Future King which is a historical event.
Her soul got tainted.
>>156002366
In the anime she does, but in the VN, Nasu said that she only gave up the Grail because it wasn't the one "she was looking for" so her heart might waver. It's unknown.
>>155989099
That Nasu is focusing all of his self on GO makes me sad because it means a low scale something will most likely never be written by him again. He only likes to write universal-scale stuff now.
3rd fuyuki war never. Feels bad man.
Well, at least there's Strange Fake.
>>156002366
>I read the VN. All of it, and enjoyed it.
I think the point he was trying to make in FGO is that all those adventures you lived in the singularities remain in memories because those places collapsed and were erased when history returned to their course. It doesn't matter if they are no more, you experienced those moments, so that made them worthwhile.
>>156002610
A lot of Saber's personal struggle. It's been a few years, but I remember reading the VN, and then going to Fate/Zero, and being like, "yeah, know this already."
But I think the bigger thing would just be the narrative structure. A good chunk of Fate establishes the rules of the grail war, while things that seem almost common knowledge to us, are big points in the narrative.
Like, the story reveal that Saber is King Arthur comes in at around the half-way point of the route. Meanwhile, that's episode one of Fate/Zero? Just a lot of this stuff is casually tossed around, to the point of where a more or less straight adaptation wouldn't properly work that well.
>>156002537
It doesn't, it would collapse too if some historical figure go a different ending. Arturia was the idiotic one to travel to the future and resisting her fate.
>>156002719
To be fair, you're supposed to read Fate/stay night first.
>>156002677
>strange fake
How long you boyos think vol 4 translation will take? I just recently finished reading vol 1 through vol 3 so I didn't have to wait at all because they were already complete by the time I started.
Does it take a couple months usually for these saints to translate a whole LN?
>>156002799
Zero secondaries truly are the biggest blight upon this series.
>>156002835
> just recently finished reading vol 1 through vol 3 so I didn't have to wait at all because they were already complete by the time I started.
Have you got the DL link? I keep forgetting to save it.
>>156002847
They are only secondaries because of
>Going UBW was the smarter move I still feel. Fate/Zero retreads a lot of the Fate route.
>>156002873
No matter which route had been the one adapted Zero secondaries would still be Zero secondaries because they watched Zero first.
I'll never understand how the fuck people started to think that just because "it's a prequel" means it can be the first thing for them to experience. Son of a bitch, have you never heard of release order? Have you fucking never seen a "prequel" that was released years after the original work? For fucks sake.
>>156002799
Exactly, which I did, but that anon was saying Nasu wanted the 2014 anime to be a Fate adaptation, to make the transition smoothly from Zero to it.
I'm saying it wouldn't be that simple. UBW I think was picked because it had the least spoilers out of everything in Fate/Zero. It came out relatively clean.
HF taking so long also probably works out. Fate/Zero's 6 years old now. A lot of the spoilers in the show aren't going to be as fresh in people's minds. After that, I'm sure a general Fate adaptation isn't even going to need to consider Zero's existence at all.
>>156002258
Mashu' shield too OP.
>>156002927
>>156002847
Nasu was the one who suggested to adapt Zero first to Aniplex producer.
>>156002847
>be tm fan for years
>hear about new fsn anime adaption
>go read forums about it
>"begin with fate/zero and then watch ubw"
>"skip deen's shit, fate route sucks"
>"ufotable will save the shitty VN and turn it into a masterpiece like zero"
>>156002934
>Fate/Zero's 6 years old now.
T-That's a lie, right? I don't believe you.
>>156002873
That is something you have to consider from a business point.
Unfortunately, all this stuff is out to make money one way or the other. If you just tried to do an adaptation of Fate, there would definitely be people who were just general TV watcher, that get confused at how Saber being King Arthur is some mystery.
I mean shit, there's also even DEEN to consider. I know the UBW movie was more recent, but it had far less of a pop culture reach compared to the OG 06 anime. There's an argument to be made that doing the same story, in full length, twice in eight years would be in bad taste.
>>156002871
Fuck's sake. Do it *now*.
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/378-Fate-strange-fake-(Free-Range-Spoilers)
>>156002835
The translation of volume 3 took nine and a half months. I don't know why; just interpret that as you will. If you don't want to have to wait for the true translations of volume 4, you can read the volume summary spoilers.
https://pastebin.com/1H1VT00K
Now, I get to ask my own question: does anybody know if the Strange Fake manga is available in digital form and, if so, where? I'll buy the raws if I can get them online; I'm not going to order physical copies from overseas and then have to debind and scan them and all that shit.
>>156002871
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
This fellow has a very convenient post with google drive links to all the volumes
>>156003101
>>156003106
Thank you my friends.
>>156002258
Remember Fate/Zero deal with Kayneth and Sola?Merlin supplies the mana for those Servants. (You) didn't know it until Babylon, but Roman hinted it before.
>>156002934
-- In other words, "Fate" titles are already out in the world in many different forms already, so you didn't think it was necessary to use the Saber Route that comprises the first story of the original?
Nasu: That's right. To put it another way, the Saber Route at this point, we ought to make some significant alterations. If we want to keep the plot as-is, the Rin Route is more suitable, and it will seem fresh. It's the most solid of all Fate/stay night, with combat and buildup, and unorthodox approaches. And on top of that, if we could present the themes of the Rin Route across two seasons as a single, long story, it would definitely be worth doing. It's suitable for a weekly format where the story would build up episode by episode, but I also want the audience to occasionally see it as "a long story that deals with a single theme." Mr. Miura, the director felt the same, so we decided to give it a shot even though the bar would be set pretty high.
http://pastebin.com/8zPfKaNd
Nasu
>I want FSN and Zero to be different things
Miura
>I'm striving for a F/Z sequel
And it turned into a shitfest, so shit Nasu had to post the epilogue on his blog because Ufotable didn't adapt it. In fact a lot of changes in the anime were Miura and Nasu had nothing to do with it. Not to mention to fully appreciate UBW, you need to play Fate first and "just download it in your mobile" is really fucking lazy and unprofessional answer.
>>156003175
Oh god, Cooking Priest, is that you? Still harping on about Miura after all these years?
Christ man, let it go.
>>156003175
Why do Directors always think they have more and bigger power over what they are adapting than the original series creator and actual owner of everything?
Furthermore, why doesn't Nasu just tell him to fuck off and ask Aniplex to hire someone else instead of a bitch who wants to force his views on his work?
>>156002258
The Servants either appear in singularities sustained by the Grail there and the ones summoned in Chaldea aren't sustained by (you). The FATE system uses Mashu's shield as catalyst of sorts and someone else provides their mana.
Guda's just contracted to them and they agree to stay or go because they care about the world or took a liking to you or have some other interest. Da Vinci was summoned before Guda even arrived and decided to stay because she wanted to 'help Roman' (she fell for him hard).
>>156003288
>Da Vinci was summoned before Guda even arrived and decided to stay because she wanted to 'help Roman' (she fell for him hard).
Why is Da Vinci such a faggot? Goddamn.
>>156003249
Except Nasu himself said right there that to adapt Fate, they would need to include more changes. UBW was picked to be more faithful.
Nasu also had heavy involvement in the UBW anime. The amount of interviews and outright writing he did is well documented, compared to DEEN, where there's practical radio silence.
>>156003329
I thought everyone knew this shit. Michelangelo was confirmed to be her ex fuckbuddy from the times she was still a he and had a "boys collection/selection" from guys "she" wanted to fuck, but she only loved one guy truly.
>>156003249
Heaven's Feel will be better since Miura isn't directing. Plus, the guy in charge of HF is a huge fan of Tsukihime and Fate. Unlike Miura.
Ufotable themselves could with another director that didn't directly go against the original author.
>>156003329
Da Vinci is a smarter OP and more beautiful Rin.
What went wrong?
>>156003468
>Unlike Miura
So do you like, just make things up, man? You've had a hate-boner for the director for three years.
Now that things cooled down, let's talk about UBW (the new version that is). This series simply works on every level and is a work of art. From the cinematography, the fantastic score by Hideyuki Fukasawa, the themes and characters. I love how serious Miura takes his world and manages to keep you on the edge of your seat for 26 episodes. From that beautiful opening where we see the inferno to Shirou meeting Waver in London.
Miura delivered a work of art, but is misunderstood. I think that audiences and critics simply don't like (or are incapable of) using their brain while watching a movie. The story is told through it's visuals, but in this day and age you need 10 minutes of boring exposition of every single detail without people getting confused.
Time will be kind to UBW and Miura. Who once and for all proved he is one of the best directors of all time and maybe the very best walking this earth. Thank you Miura, thank you for everything.
You might be thinking this is some weird parody. But I mean every single word. Too bad his genius is misunderstood.
>>156003560
And here we go. Cooking Priest. 33 year old autistic spammer.
>>156003249
Miura is horrible as director. UBW direction is a fucking ugly mess which misuses the resources he had. His KnK movie (sixth) is universally considered the worst too.
The fandom backlash in the threads were something else entirely.
>>156003527
HEAVEN'S HOLE
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>>156003560
Why is strange fake so fucking based?
>dark totoro rider
>wolf is a master
>Gil and Enkidu
>delicious dark skin loli
>servant summoned as berserker was actually berserk himself, so it cancels out and makes him a decent guy as the berserker servant
>>156002266
>>156002410
This was already UBW's resolution of sort. Ultimately, Archer's personal resolution was meaningless in the overall scheme of thing, especially for the Emiya Shirou sitting in the Throne of Heroes, but it doesn't mean it wasn't significant
>>156003527
He picked Wormslut over Seibah.
>>156002161
>le invisible air can kill berserker xD isn't Saber great - takeuchi
>Shirou has nearly every single one of his important character-monologues about his ideals and past removed, his banter with Rin is severely limited, and the removal of the death scenes + alterations made to the Gilgamesh, Kuzuki, and Archer fights removes any sense of danger being posed towards him. Instead he's a standard oblivious MC with no idea Rin is into him until near the end of the show, has mild PTSD and survivor's guilt instead of being barely human in any meaningful sense mentally, and appears to have ten layers of plot armour
>Kuzuki's fighting style is never explained properly and as a result his fight with Saber and then getting reamed by Shirou makes no fucking sense
>Changes made to the fight with Archer completely alter the tone and meaning of the scene - while the beginning alterations are amazing the fact that Shirou then proceeds to fight him on near-even footing while barely sustaining any damage completely ruins the original idea of the fight being one where Shirou is beaten senseless but manages to win purely by reminding Archer of the beauty of his ideals and by showing his conviction
>Fight against Gilgamesh is completely retarded, its no longer Shirou desperately closing the gap between them to leverage Gilgamesh's lacking swordsmanship skills to press his one weak spot while using UBW for covering fire, but is instead Shirou dodging, blocking, and spinning his way through the now far-superior GoB by the skin of his teeth for three minutes before ending the battle in a single exchange - it makes no sense for him to be so strong
>>156003695
Stop meme'ing. He picked Kiara.
>>156003728
Heaven's Hole = Sakura's erotical black hole.
>>156003701
>Shirou's heart wasn't thorned when killed by Lancer
>Gae Bolg is now a jagged electric tentacle
>plot-points/reveals/twists of UBW lose their impact for any show-watchers and the lacking compensation made for them (such as the added Caster/Ilya scenes) doesn't do enough to fix this. In particular, Caster's master scenes really did nothing to add anything to her backstory or make one more sympathetic to the character - it'd have been far better to focus on her past as a princess, how Jason spurned her, and her fall to witchcraft if Ufotable was looking to add context for her actions and motives
>while fucking hilarious the powerboost Rin and Luvia got in their wrestling match at the end contradicts canon and makes it seem absurd that Rin was such a non-factor in any fight besides the one with Caster
>while quite pretty and fluid most of the fights lack any real sense of 'weight' besides a few instances of Lancer jumping and leaving a crater and Berserker fucking up shit passively by merely running - beyond those, however, the majority of the Servant's didn't seem nearly as powerful as they actually are and the choreography gave no sense of them possessing any notable degree of skill or experience, merely super speed and the ability to pull of some rather unbelievable contortioning
>In some parts it slows to a crawl with 30 minute dialogues and expositions scenes and barely anything happening, in other parts important events and character development is breezed through with no attention paid to them. Whole Shirou-Rin arc is basically nonexistent for example.
>michael bay shaky cam, excessive usage of special effects, rapid cuts with minimal animation, and that weird Naruto like exaggeration of movement
Shirou/Rin is a meaningless footnote while Shirou/Saber triggers the salvation of all timelines and Earth. And all this Nasu established in a LN he purposely buddled on UBW Boxset. He gave a middle finger to Rinfags like Miura.
Reminder that Rin a shit.
>>156003468
>>156003249
Here's hoping for Heavens Feel; the source material gives them A LOT of interesting stuff to animate and the director they chose is much better. The HF manga is a great example of adding new stuff that makes sense to add.
>>156003728
He has to pick Wormslut first in order to be able to pick Kiara. El Nigga Shirou comes from some version of Heaven's Feel.
>>156003818
What is your reasoning for HF being a requirement for Shirou to go we wuz swords an shiet?
>>156003814
rood
>>156003676
My favourite parts of SF so far are Richard and Enkidu. Unfortunate that they don't do too much in this volume. But, if Narita really wrote two volumes' worth of material when trying to write volume 4, perhaps volume 5 will be everything we've all ever dreamed of.It seems to be poised towards half the participants vs Al Qaeda, after all
>>156003814
I'm a Sakurafag and I believe it too.
Shirou does too.
Kirei does too.
Sakura does too.
Motherfucking Nasu does too.
They even made sakura's VA play the Shadow in RN for dense motherfuckers like false-flagging "Sakurafags" to get it through their thick skulls.
Can't argue with RN, bitch.
>>156003814
some things never change
>>156003910
>Kirei does too.
Boy, this was such a satisfying moment. Sakura gets so blown the fuck out it hurts.
>>156003818
Wormslut Shirou has 0 interest in being a Seigi no Mikata, he's more concerned with staying in Fuyuki living with Sakura and limiting his range to the town's people.
Its probably from a Seiba route derivative
>>155988720
Sakura > all
Who are these carpetmunchers?
Why is such degeneracy allowed on my children gacha game?
>>156003846
Can't be Fate Shirou because he becomes Archer or reaches Avalon.
Can't be UBW Shirou because he surpasses Archer.
HF Shirou has an open-ended future, and is the only Shirou who changed his ideals enough for him to lose his original UBW like BLACKED Shirou.
>>156003814
I like Shirou/Sakura because it is one of those pairings that involve redemption + self-acceptance + obtaining a new reason to live + support-through-abuse
>>156003992
MoS shirou is from wormslut route tho
>>156004069
Except it cannot be HF Shirou either because >>156003992
Let's just say it's MoS Shirou and be done with it.
>>156003940
>10 years from now
>/a/ has forgotten F/Z and F/SN
>Every thread is posting about Kuros, FGO2 and Nasus incoming mobile game
>>156004146
>>10 years from now
Ha, you really think this shithole will manage to stay up for another decade?
>>156003940
>husbando wars are dead
>Gil has been surpassed in GO
>No one ever questions UBW>GoB anymore
>That Lancelot fag is dead
>Illya route confirmed by Nasu
>HA was translated
>HF confirmed to be 3 movies
>Cu overcame his E rank luck and soloed the GO anime war
What a time to be alive.
>>156003686
This.
Shirou's story was never meant to be a grand world saving adventure, but the way it was portrayed meant that his resolution was infinitely impactful and heartfelt.
>>156004215
Good times that will never come back.
Where does time go?
>>156004069
>Can't be UBW Shirou because he surpasses Archer.
My Room Ishtar"in" said that (EMIYA Alter) was the ultimate form of Heroic Spirit EMIYA and was angry he didn't listen to her when she warned him he was going to end up this way. Sounds more UBW to me.
>>156004272
Zero was the climax of the good threads, though.
After it, the secondaries became the dominant force.
Nasu on HF True:
When I finished writing the Saber and Rin route all in one go, part of me thought the game wouldn't be settled unless I flipped it over. As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application. In the beginning there were plans for an Illya route, but if we were to add it, the game would have wound up being incredibly huge. So we had this plan to release the Saber route and Rin route as "Fate/stay night", and the Illya route and Sakura route as "Fate/other night". But when we thought of the 8800 yen price, we decided we should include the Sakura route after all, so in the end, we decided to combine the Illya route and Sakura route into one route. So, although it had been finished during 2002, we took more time to reorganize the plot in January or February of the following year.
It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Sabre and Ilya were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote.
Nasu: Yes, its plot was created with porn in mind.
>>156004295
>Shirou meets Ishtar in UBW.
Literally what?
>>156003701
>Fight against Gilgamesh is completely retarded, its no longer Shirou desperately closing the gap between them to leverage Gilgamesh's lacking swordsmanship skills to press his one weak spot while using UBW for covering fire, but is instead Shirou dodging, blocking, and spinning his way through the now far-superior GoB by the skin of his teeth for three minutes before ending the battle in a single exchange - it makes no sense for him to be so strong
Even if this is a pasta, this one hurts the most. In the VN it was shown through explicit and intricate detail that UBW only helped Shirou to win because he preys on exactly one key advantage over GoB and even then it relied entirely on Gilgamesh being a retard and letting Shirou close the distance.
The anime made it look like UBW was equal to GoB and that Shirou was simply stronger than Gilgamesh. It got even more egregious when Shirou seemingly stopped using UBW at all and was just flying around with Rho Aias and shitting all over everything before slicing Gil's arm off.
It feels like even ufotable realized this because they had Gil literally say
>You beat me fair and square with UBW
as if to remind viewers that it facilitated Shirou's victory.
>>156004306
I'd say Carnival Phantasm, Fate/Zero, Mahoyo and Fate/Extra CCC were the climax of good threads. It went downhill with the new FSN adaptions and Grand Order.why are you still here?
>>156004308
>Nasu now: Porn is not allowed! Realta Nua is canon! Sakura is totally a virgin even when she got fucked by THESE instead!
What went wrong?
>>156004370
>>why are you still here?
Where else could I go to? There is nowhere else you can go.
>>156004353
Ishtar is combined with Rin, and when she scolds him it's Rin talking through her. Only in UBW, Rin scolds and looks after Shirou. Not in Fate or HF.
>>156003760
VN UBW
>Shirou gets his shit wrecked inside out and nearly burns out his circuits trying to keep up with Gilgamesh
>When he finally gets the epiphany of what he needs to do, he does it CALMLY, because that's a part of his character and it's a part of his magecraft teaching. "Calmness in the face of death," and "Breathing"—the former is remarked upon several times in the VN by several persons and not just Tohsaka (and not just Shirou as the subject, but Saber as well), and the later is later explained in Materials II as an aspect in magecraft that allows magi to actively work with the self-hypnosis necessary to enact their world altering skills such as summoning fire, rituals, etc. Ciel, Saber and Kuzuki are natural proponents of this school of thought, which is why both their techniques are so clean, sharp, and hard-hitting.
>He chants the entire ten-count CALMLY
>He exchanges words once with Gil and then sets after him like a machine possessed
>His inner monologue reveals it's a last-ditch effort the entire time—the minute he stops charging, he'll drop to the floor exhausted
>He's actively breaking Gil's weapons and not giving Gil any time to breathe or regain composure, period
>He actively DOMINATES the exchange inside the RM and actually has the fight won before the concussive force of Excalibur blows away the RM
>None of this "it's just a flesh wound"—he has the fight entirely won of his own power
>The instant the RM drops, Angry Manjew is already upon Gil. No pause for dialogue or push/altering in Gil's own characterization to make him seem like a noble enemy (the only reason I can surmise for several of the changes when he's involved over duration of the anime.)
>>156004424
That's not how pseudo servants work, Anon.
Servant Ishtar is just Ishtar in Rin's body, the host's mind is suppressed except in Waver's case.
>>156004456
UBW Anime
>Shirou barely keeps up with Gil's sword spam without visible cues that his body's fucking up/shutting down from the attempt.
>He doesn't do his ten count aloud and pulls out Rho Aias without taking visible damage while chanting
>He yells the last of the incantation (This is actually incredibly important to Shirou's character and magecraft basics)
>He exchanges dialogue with Gilgamesh several times while exchanging sword-fire. At one point, he deliberately stops and expounds the weaknesses of UBW to Gil while crossing swords--in a moment where Gil, no matter his lack of combat prowress, should have been easily able to deal with Shirou in a variety of ways.
>Angra Mainyu doesn't immediately begin to swallow Gil when Saber breaks Shirou's RM (Excalibur was the reason the bubble didn't hold, so to speak), instead, an extended scene plays out that makes Shirou look like an incompetent for not finishing Gil off and infers both Angry Manjew and Archer are there to save his shortcoming.
>>156004272
Nasu's work was so detailed and internally consistent. People will question this consistency due to the introduction of exceptions to rules (especially prevalent in Fate onward), but in the past, there was always a solid, non-bullshit explanation - concepts, though occasionally convoluted, made sense. Even more so than that, his characters had a way of exceeding the limits of their basic descriptions. Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime read more like plays rather than the anime that most light and visual novels try to mimic. The characterization has effort put into such that the characters transcended their archetypes and became something more, something sympathetic. His characters had to evoke emotion because he didn't have the benefit of flashy visuals or huge art budgets before Fate. All he has was Takeuchi (who clearly isn't always the best influence, but he is what he is).
Looking back on it, Nasu isn't and probably never was quite as good as Urobuchi or Meteo or Romeo, but he did his best. His world was interesting and had a sense of moderation and care put into it that was charming.
But I can't say that about Type-Moon or the Nasuverse anymore. I can't just blame Fate for it. The only thing I can fathom happening was that Nasu stopped caring. His work just doesn't have the passion it used to. Mahoyo was what truly made me lose hope, because it is so overly polished that it has no soul, and Aoko, Alice, Soujuurou, and even Touko are miserably boring characters compared to the charming ones I remember even within Fate/Stay Night. The powerlevels have gotten too out of control, losing the well-toned sense of restraint the Nasuverse once had.
>>156004372
You forgot the definitive Nintendo Switch version, now with the best of both worlds, for extra suffering.
Nasu is truly a sadistic motherfucker.
>>156004372
He found a middle ground.
>>156004529
>>156004539
Are those the worms we'll see in the HF movies?
Because if true, rape confirmed.
>>156004471
Are you being obtuse now that Ishtar (with Rin's memories) is saying she warned this was going to be the result and calls Alter the top form of his heroism, huh? That shit is only pursued in UBW, and Rin's only aware of his issues there too.
>>156004103
>>156004117
MoS Shirou is going to die at most 2-3 days after the ending happens. Its a bad end for a reason, everyone is out to kill him while he has jack shit. In all HF endings where Shirou lives he has no interest in being anything but Sakura's hero, and maybe the town's hero.
Its likely a derivative of Archer's Fate route, or maybe some post-UBW branches. Those are the one where he travels the world and will likely encounter the cult
>>156004609
No, see>>156004554 It's blatantly from UBW. Probably an ending Shirou ditches Rin completely and she doesn't save him because he surpassed his regular EMIYA self.
>>156004609
>MoS Shirou is going to die at most 2-3 days after the ending happens
Citation needed.
>>156004644
Can't be UBW because BLACKED Shirou's Reality Marble is not UBW. Shirou only loses UBW in HF.
Unlimited Lost Works acts exactly like Shirou's RM in HF, it projects swords inside the body but can't be deployed normally.
And Ishtar canonically isn't Rin, read Zhuge Lian's dialogue for fuck's sake. Pseudo servants don't have the host's personality, only the body.
>>155988720
They fuck 24/7 for eternity.
>Near Side (Arc & Ciel) / Far Side (Akiha & Maids)
>Stay Night (Saber & Rin) / Other Night (Sakura & Illya)
>Extra / CCC
Bravo, Nasu
>>156004961
Akiha is more like middle side desu.
And HF should have been Illya's route instead of a shared route. Sakura isn't even part of the good guys in her own route.
>>156004826
Anon, EMIYA Alter lost himself after meeting Kiara, not before. You're being pretty dense right now. It's obvious is a timeline Rin fails to save him after he surpasses after like how Shirou becomes EMIYA after he fails to save Saber. We just didn't see either of those.
HF Shirou doesn't give two fucks about being a Hero of Justice anymore while EMIYA Alter, despite being 'lost' drove himself to this path and surpassed his non Altered self.
>Pseudo servants don't have the host's personality, only the body.
Read Babylon retard. It IS Rin combined with Ishtar. Ishtar said the two of them merged and became a new being.
>>156004826
>Zhuge Lian's dialogue for fuck's sake
Don't you mean Waver? You're wrong about Rin, go and read Babylon. Ishtar has all her memories because it's a new "Ishtar" that was birth from their fusion. Personality wise, it's 70% Ishtar, but she has all of Rin's memories.
>>156004826
Shirou's literal "This body is made out of sword" manifested in Fate as well in the BE when Rider kicked him out the window. Its a side effect of UBW trying to heal him. In HF, using Archer's arm equate to projecting above his limit, which destroys his body, which UBW tries to fix by knitting his wound with swords.
>>156004685
By that point in HF, he has no Servant, no magical ability aside from Reinforcement, with Archer, Illya and possibly Rin out to kill him. Archer hates him for following the exact path he did. Illya hates him because he's doing the exact same thing Kiritsugu did, she's going to finish her Einzbern mission. Rin is implied to go insane in the other ending where she kills Sakura (the Geass), and she might be after him.
>>156005044
>>156005082
>It's obvious is a timeline Rin fails to save him after he surpasses after like how Shirou becomes EMIYA after he fails to save Saber. We just didn't see either of those.
It's not obvious at all, that's just your headcanon.
>HF Shirou doesn't give two fucks about being a Hero of Justice anymore
This is false. He accepts he can't save everyone, but he still becomes a hero in his own personal and flawed way, that's the whole point of the route. UBW is the idealized version of the hero, HF is the realistic one.
>became a new being
So, she's not Rin then, I told you.
Now, explain how Shirou can become Emiya Alter in UBW if he doesn't even make a contract with the World in that route.
UBW Shirou simply doesn't result in him becoming a servant, since he already knows that the contract is bullshit and the World will make him a glorified serial killer.
As soon as Shirou learns the truth from Archer, he can't become a servant. So, if Alter comes from UBW, he must come from a pre-climax branching point in the story. That shit couldn't even be called UBW, since he doesn't get Rin, doesn't fight Archer, probably doesn't even get UBW, etc.
>>156003910
>Shirou does too.
He believes in taking responsibility for it just like he took responsibility for only saving himself during the 4th war disaster, but he knows that what was actually doing the killing was something within the grail rather than Sakura.
>Kirei does too.
You clearly haven't read the VN, then. Kirei is the one who first explains that the contents of the grail are spilling out and killing people to feed itself. Don't be a retard like >>156003967 mixing up the shadow and Dark Sakura.
>Sakura does too.
A major part of her characterization is how she's quick to blame herself for things that aren't really her fault. You'd know that if you were an actual Sakurafag and not just false-flagging.
>Motherfucking Nasu does too.
"Indirectly", i.e. she was being controlled.
>They even made sakura's VA play the Shadow in RN
It uses her body, so nothing strange about that. It's a red herring to confuse players early on, but apparently some people like you missed the explanations that came later on.
>>156003910
>They even made sakura's VA play the Shadow in RN for dense motherfuckers like false-flagging "Sakurafags" to get it through their thick skulls.
I thought that was unused because they didn't want to make it obvious
>>156004961
>proper Illya route ever
I love Sakura but it still hurts.
>>156005368
>This is false. He accepts he can't save everyone, but he still becomes a hero in his own personal and flawed way, that's the whole point of the route. UBW is the idealized version of the hero, HF is the realistic one.
>UBW is the idealized version of the hero
>not Fate
>you will never again experience that first blind playthrough of F/SN VN, where all the twists were fucking great and the world and concepts were so new and interesting and the grail war was super exciting and tense
>all this info is now secondary to you and the world is something that you know all about, and you can only hope that TM puts out more works
>>156005376
So many fucking strawmans Jesus Christ.
Dude, how the fuck do you even get so much to argue with from such a short post?
>>156005498
>strawmans
>>156005481
Fate is the ideal of the hero
UBW is what you can achieve at most realistically
HF is what most people stop at.
>>156005368
He can't become a CG, not a Servant, there's a minor difference. UBW Shirou isn't likely going to accept the contract from Alaya, but after he got mindbroken by Kiara or whoever it was in his backstory, he might, since he's 100% devoted to her and shits and taking the contract to help her seems fairly in character.
>>156005474
They added a scene from Illya's route in ep. 15 of the UBW tv series. Maybe they will add more to HF?
>>156005540
>an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
>Addresses the Shirou statement as if the guy said anything about responsibility
>Adresses the Kirei statement as if the guy was talking about his conversation with dark wormslut
>Addresses the Nasu statement as if the guy quoted a specific statement from him
>>156005550
He's not mind-broken. He just kills too many of Kiara's goons and due to some loophole logic, the act of killing so many martyrs ended up twisting him into a villain. It's like a curse, basically.
>>156005653
Except those aren't propositions, but direct counters to his incorrect claims. If you actually know what's being argued about here, you should be able to tell what quotes he's referring to to make those claims, and hence they're getting debunked by it being pointed out what those scenes and quotes actually say.
>>156005043
>Sakura isn't even part of the good guys in her own route.
Funny, since she actually ends up being the one to defeat the villains who Shirou and Rin wouldn't have stood a chance against on their own, and wants to sacrifice herself to save them.
>>156005550
>>156005368
>>156004826
HF doesn't work because, even assuming that the Shirou that gave up on saving everyone for the sake of Sakura would still go out to save the world somewhere, he would have a doll's body made by Tohko. Now, its probably not as good as Tohko's own, but seeing as it is a doll's body, its arguable whether that Shirou would ever physically age or maybe even decay normally.
Really, its only from the Fate route that a Shirou could become like the altered one.
Would Kiritsugu support Shirou's decision to save Sakura from the Matou family?
>>156006560
No.
>>156006560
It's pretty much what Kiritsugu wanted Shirou to do all along. He regretted sacrificing those close to him for his ideal and didn't want Shirou to end up like him, so HF is the end that would please him the most, especially since Sakura was in a similar situation to Shirley.
>>156006704
He'd be proud no matter which route he takes. After all, in all three True Ends, Shirou ends up more successful and happier than Kiritsugu.
>>156006000
Shirou's body fucking stops without Sakura's mana.
It's UBW bad end.
>>156005368
>since he already knows that the contract is bullshit and the World will make him a glorified serial killer.
The path he's pursuing is of a gloried serial killer. You see all those scenes of EMIYA killing kids? Nasu wrote them as something he did in LIFE.
>>156007242
Shame the director makes it seem like it was something he did AFTER he died.
>>156007287
He also did it after he died. As far as Nasu was concerned what Alaya made him do and what he did in life was never different unlike what the meme interpretation is. He broke because he thought he was finally going to save the world and people and never got his wish. He couldn't even stop himself now.
>>156007242
I don't really see much point in killing a few middle-eastern terrorists. I mean, to us it might be a big deal, but those terrorists aren't exactly gonna endanger the human race or the planet, so I don't see why the Counter Force would have to step in.
>>155988720
What makes the tree gay?
>>156007405
You're thinking too highly on Alaya's Guardians. The stronger counter force are Human Order's Heroic Spirits now.
>>156007405
Because, my dude, CG are only dispatched to deal with human menaces.
>Sakura confirmed for pure
>>156007993
I always wanted to replay FSN but the translation..
So we can all agree that Archer is from the Fate Normal end where he didn't go full Saber flags which led to no access to Avalon?
>>156008167
I 100% hope F/GO's US release will lead to an official translation of F/RN which will only create more anal clenching within the fanbase as they'd have to accept a new translation (and possible mistranslations) as canon.
>>156008195
I thought that it was obvious that Archer was from the Fate story, and Nasu himself confirmed it in one of the UBW booklets.
Question. Will GO only be available for America or can other regions play it too?
>>156008268
I believe it went something like "If Arcer had a route, it would be a Fate normal end route" or something.
It's probably just almost exactly like the Church Basement bad end where Saber chops your head off if you don't have enough points for her.
Only this time, he didn't have enough points for her to chase him while she's sleeping although I like the idea that Saber never went to Avalon in Archer's end so there's no Saber to pull him out of his funk.
Seeing as how Archer says he lost Avalon somewhere along the line, it's possible he never actually returned Avalon to Saber which may indicate their relationship to be not as close.
It's all still conjecture anyways.
>>156008398
You could play F/GO right now if you're not in Japan right? There you go.
>>156008256
Aniplex of America is the only reason why F/GO is being translated. Aniplex don't own FSN or FHA, do they?
Funny thing to note, the anime dub and subtitles use the UTW terminology.
>>156008524
Even then, it may show that there is a market for that sort of thing to Typemoon.
>>156008814
Type-Moon does not give a shit about Americans. If they did, FSN and FHA would have already been localized years ago.
>>156008520
>Seeing as how Archer says he lost Avalon somewhere along the line, it's possible he never actually returned Avalon to Saber which may indicate their relationship to be not as close.
Which makes no sense considering Archer still has strong feelings for her. In F/HA it's explicitly noted that he could never forget her despite an eternity of brain overflow.
What are some fan translations or terminology that you don't agree with?
>>156008520
No I mean the English version that is about to come out.
>>156009304
I don't quite care for people using "magic" and "true magic" as the distinguishing between the forms. I think "magic" and "sorcery" is a much better way of distinguishing, and sounds more honorific.
>>156009569
His point was that you can play international versions, already. There shouldn't, logically, be a reason for a region lock in the US version.
>>156008195
>>156008268
>>156008520
More like the Church Basement scene never happened at all. Seeing Shirou reject the grail to not taint the memories and sacrifices of the people he had to step over to live led her to do the same, that's what "Saving her heart" entails in Fate route, not romance. EMIYA and GO summonable Saber still clearly had a thing for each other
I've been watching the new Jack and I wish I had the talent to edit the scene with Lancer getting back up after stabbing himself to have him say "CELTIC MAGIC" in the scotsman's voice when asked how he survived
>>156003355
So the fate route will have some changes?
>>155995656
>Sounds like you're just trying to shit on a happy ending because Rin and Sakura got the short end of the stick.
They didn't though. They will both live and die happy in their respective ends. Sakura in particular turned her life around and is protecting the city in her end, and partners with an awesome priest to retake what should have been a unsalvageable life, no thanks to her father.
If anything, we should talk about how unfair it is that people who do good works everyday, the firemen, the paramedics, the honest doctors, and other good sumaritans will end up being recycled, and get no reward for their deeds, no matter how hard they work. If anything, they should get their own allegory of heaven at some point, but we know the truth.
Fuck that is depressing, let's talk about how this trio will kick ass in their adult lives post HF True.
>>156009760
>More like the Church Basement scene never happened at all. Seeing Shirou reject the grail to not taint the memories and sacrifices of the people he had to step over to live led her to do the same
There was always an issue I had with that message, he didn't know the grail was tainted at the time, and unilaterally rejecting saving the orphans.
I mean, if you don't want to rewrite the past, that's fine, but saying "heal their bodies and minds to allow them to live a stable life" does not require that. And yes, I know the grail is corrupt, but he didn't know that, he made the decision as if it wasn't. That is why there are things that bother me about it, he didn't really weight things right.
It's the issue I had with Shirou's ideal, beautiful as it might seem, there are holes in it that Nasu explores. People suffer in the dark everyday, and going "we'll that's life" is a mechanical response that shouldn't come out of the mouth of someone who cares for the people. Sure, you can't save everyone, but if you are given the choice, you should intelligently weigh the options and decide the best course to take. Last Episode was fanciful, but we never know "how" Shirou came to fulfill the ideal, and the how is important, what should be shown is that it's not a singular person sacrificing themselves that win the fight for good, but contributions from many. Many that should also be rewarded as well.
>>156006560
Well, his wife's tainted shards that were gained from him blowing up the vessel instead of the gate were what caused Sakura to be linked to the taint, he caused the death of Shirou's real parents, and was the direct cause of Sakura being subjected to even more inhumane experiments, so yes, I think so. It's basically the decision he had to make with his wife part 2, but this time he could actually help instead of just hurt.
He could help even more by telling them that blowing up the system would fix everything. If he was alive that is.
>2017
>still no Heaven's Feel
get your fucking priorities straight
>>156011750
This art is awful and you should feel awful for posting it.
>>156003997
Confirmed awesome.
>>156012136
>"we'll that's life" is a mechanical response that shouldn't come out of the mouth of someone who cares for the people
The thing with Shirou that most people, you included, seem to not understand is that he doesn't give a fuck about 'saving everyone'. It's a stupid ideal that Kiritsugu came up with that Shirou inherited simply to acquire some sense of self-worth and identity after the tragedy.
Shirou has always wanted to protect the people close to him, those he cares about, more than others. You don't even have to look to HF for this (where he makes Sakura his priority), you can find traces of this very selfish trait of Shirou's as far back as Fate route. He has a monologue during one of the nights shortly before their confrontation with Gil/Kirei where he basically says
>Fuck Fuyuki and fuck everyone in this city, I want to save only Saber
Literally the only reason why he didn't was because he knew Saber would hate him for it and he can't have the love of his life hating him.
Does anyone have that pic before which had compared how Shirou was close to each heroine, where he didn't hug Saber back, he stood behind Rin and finally he hugged Sakura?
>>156009616
I would say "magecraft" and "magic" is the best way to translate majutsu and mahou.
>>156012810
>>156012901
>>156003997
Typical Wormfag, doesn't even known that that isn't Sakura. You did post a great character, but that's not Sakura.
>>156012901
>>156012930
Where's the one that had the text?
>>156012901
>Saber is the only girl who can truly support Shirou
>Rin and Shirou are equals
>Sakura needs Shirou to support her
2DEEP4ME
>>156013025
woah................
>>156012981
Reminder that the Sakura clones are based on parts of Sakura, unlike how most Saber clones work. If you like a Sakura clone, you like part of Sakura.
>>156002537
TAKEUCHIIIIIIIIIIIII
Reminder that EMIYA is right about Shirou
He can't protect everyone
In every route he fails to help somebody.
Is the CCC translation done yet?
>>156014652
He may be right but that won't stop Shirou from trying to protect everyone
>>156014928
But he fails.
In Fate Rin is left with nothing that can help her get into Clock Tower, making her eventually become a poorfag for real, and Sakura is still WORM'D
In UBW Illya gets murdered and Sakura is still WORM'D
In H/F, Shinji dies, Arturia is corrupted and then he kills her, and Illya becomes a Cup
>>156015357
She gets into it just fine in Prisma Ilya and whatever timeline future HA Rin is from.
Also, llya is still alive so they could still go into her memories for Shirou to see the dagger and to project it even if that would take a few years.
>>156014810
haha
>>156015357
>But he fails.
Well yeah. It's impossible to save everyone but Shirou will keep trying. That was the point of UBW.
>>156015357
You forgot to mention that Shinji also dies in Fate.
>>156015543
But he has already failed.
It's like if you say 'I'm going to hit the target with this one bullet' after already firing the gun
>>156015647
Terrible analogy but if I were to use it, the point wouldn't be hitting the target but always aiming for the target even before firing which is literally the philosophy of Shirou's archery.
>>156007064
Considering Kiritsugu cheated on Iri because he felt a tiny bit of happiness with her and decided he didnt deserve it? Yeah that's not really a high bar you've set now is it.
>>156014928
Whats that line about what endlessly repeating the same thing and expecting a different result?
Oh yes Insanity. Still amazes me how many fanfics use MoS and never get that it's a bad end because they're too busy wrapped up in a edgy diet Kiritsugu fantasy of a hard man making hard decisions.
>>156016595
>endlessly repeating the same thing and expecting a different result?
This is at least half of scientific discoveries though, that line is bullshit.
>>156016766
No i isn't because scientists arelooking for something else in case they haven't seen everything.
Shirou KNOWS he can't save everyone yet repeats his failed method again and again.
>>156013114
Emphasis on "part". Sakura has good qualities, sure, but those are outweighed by her shit qualities. A part of someone is not the same as that whole someone.
Example: I would love to motorboat Sakura's tits. However, I don't want to fuck her and get worms on my dick.
>>156018562
>I don't want to fuck her and get worms on my dick.
Good thing her worms got removed by Kotomine in the very same scene they got revealed, then.
>>156018663
>"grandfather's worm is inside me"
>>156018764
>"epic meme bro"
Why does Nasu hate Rin so much?
>>156018850
Fate and UBW Sakura are still wormy worms.
>>155996674
>. Any one of us could be shitposting from Avalon right now and not even know it.
And that's precisely what Merlin did.
>>156019220
Shirou doesn't fuck her there, though, so it's a non-issue.
>>156019378
We're not talking about Shirou.
>>156009760
This. That scene saved both Shirou and Saber, even if they fucked and dated before it happened, they were still toxically headed on their paths.
>>156009760
It wasnt about that, Shirou understood what was done was done as Saber wanted to redo the sword ceremony because of her self-doubts.
Fate is about Saber letting it go and allowed it to end if you want to look it from her perspective, this is why she awakes up, throws the sword back in the Lake and dies, its accepting she did what she could.
>>156011750
>own allegory of heaven at some point,
Maybe someday they will. Roman mentions in Camelot that men's last stage of evolution is to "leave the world behind" (as in planet and everything) including their records and transcend beyond. Maybe that's what he means.
There is a Heaven, angels and God. We know is beyond the Throne and the Root too.Because that's where Solomon returned to with his last magic. Maybe one day, all humans will follow his steps. He is kind of the example we must follow and the Age of Men is his legacy of love to all men.
>the firemen, the paramedics, the honest doctors, and other good sumaritans
This is funny consideringThe Great King of Magic threw away his power and it was his life as a normal, good man, who was a doctor which ended up saving the whole damn timeline. And Da Vinci, before she knew who he was, even if she was a universal genius, fell completely in love with him because of how hard he tried to keep everything and everyone together in this crisis. The savior of the entire timeline is a fucking doctor, who stepped up his plate to lead Chaldea when everyone else was dead. So Nasu definitely was going to praised them. Romani is such a great character.
>>156013025
Saber and Shirou are two halves of a set: he's the sheath to her sword. Thus equals, fulfilling a different role.
Rin and Shirou support each other but they'll never see each others eye to eye. The whole scene was about Shirou saying he looked up Rin (nothing about equals, it was the opposite).
Rain is a scene of Shirou vowing to be Sakura's hero.
Read up the scenes rather than out context pics.
I still don't understand how the whole deal in Hollow Ataraxia is started. Is that the result of any kind of ending in FSN? Avenger being liberated and fusing the timelines?
>>156022542
>Avenger being liberated and fusing the timelines?
Pretty much this. Kirei isn't there because there isn't a timeline where he survives.
>>156023087
But why is he free? Is that a result of a certain outcome of the Holy Grail War or is something that will always happen at the end of the war?
>>156023278
HA is basically Manjew making Bazett dream about the HGW so she doesn't give up on life. He's still in the grail.
>>156023278
It was all Bazett's dream. Kirei cut her arm and let her to die in the mansion. She wished that she could participate in the war so Manjew (the grail) granted her wish.
>>156020906
Shinji pls