Dragon Ball Super

>>155960292
does Android 17 wear eyeliner?

17 is so dreamy

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Leave Pride Troopers to us

I'm sorry anons

I was the first one to make the 17 technique post and accidentally derailed the whole thread, forgive me

>>155960292
Why does goku remember how 18's eyes look like?
Did 18 eye rape goku while she stared at him in that krillin episode?

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>As a fan, I'm looking forward to Goku and #17's first battle.
#17 didn't have many fights in the original story nor in the anime up until now. Apparently, Akira Toriyama didn't have the opportunity to display his strength but he is also giving his approval, saying #17 has great potential.

Reminder that based 17 has great potential according to Toriyama.

- Full interview for those interested: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1289806#p1289806

>Gohan fights some Wolf faggot who blinds him
>Gohan fights Krillin who blinds him
>Gohan fights Piccolo who blinds him
>Gohan goes blind
>Gohan now immune to future blinding attacks

It's all just a big setup to make Gohan overcome his one weakness

powerlevelfags BTFO

who's technique will be displayed next week?

can't wait for the tactical mastermind Tien to outsmart Goku

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Android_17

/ourboy/ is finally a part of the 3-A fighter's tier.

So Fucking happy right now

>>155960513
excellent technique by Beerus, OG Dragon Ball vibes

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Literally god tier

Will powerlevelfags ever stop getting BTFO?

We better get some cute sibling banter between 17 & 18.

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>>155960527

>>155960540
Goku was holding back retard

>>155960376
16 was made for the same purpose, but then Gero found a way to make better android which was by using humans and giving them cybernetic parts. Which is why he activates them instead of 16. he considered 16 obsolete

>>155960442
>but he is also giving his approval, saying #17 has great potential.

Potential as a character.
Not in terms of power.
That article also says that Toriyama has nothing to do with the writing or planning for this arc at all.

>>155960515
>equipment: Pistol

There is no stopping gun

>>155960563
Why didn't he just use technique?

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>12(Twelve) years later, Android 17 meets Goku (who has the powerlevel of a literal god) for the first time and beats the monkey blood out of him while also keeping a straight face JUST

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gokuu and anderoid 17 meet and ah have fights
by timy

once upon aday goku was getting reddy for a big tornament in space. he sayd "boy i need strong guys" and he went to denday who sayd "i no a strong guy" and goku sayd "awesome! show me the strong guy" and denday was make the outlok of sky move but poopoo said "watch your moth he is a god" and i sayd "no their is only one God and my mom and dad and brother and me go worship him evereyday he is caled Jesus Christ" and poopo was smile because he saw Jesus and he toucehd him, but denday took me to the eyeland and i saw anderoid 17 who was beating up a bunch of bad guys and i says "hi 17 i am gokuu let me help you anderoid 17 now okay" and he sayd "yes letss go" and we beat up the bad guys and goky sayds "lets fight i need strong guys for tornament, show me the strong" and then they fighted into the sunset but 17 sayd "no wait first i wanna show you the minosaur" and he showed me and it was cool and then we fighted some more and 17 was sayd "i canot fight" and i was sayd "come on" and he sayd "no i love animals so i must watch" and i sayd "but the universe will be die" and 17 sayds "then i dont care because what can do??" then i sayds "Yeah, no that makes no fucking sense. You either want to protect the animals or not but you're just choosing to cop out. Way to go against your own fucking creed. You could really make a difference, you know? Instead you just made some shit excuse to not do jack shit. Come the fuck on. What the fuck ever, man." an den i flieds away and that was the ends. the end.

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>>155960592
It's because Jiren is too strong

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holy fuck my techniqueposting actually got techniquefags to go on an autistic fit of rage LMAO holy shit this is amazing

>>155960577
16 was objectively superior to both 17 an 18 you complete fucking knob.

And both fucking 17 and 18 were running around the planet in FT's timeline lowing shit up and just doing this and that for almost a decade. Guess what. They got not one bit fucking stronger. Not even a bit.

They were fucking WEAKER then the 17 and 18 from goku's timeline.

Explain that shit!

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>>155960540
Goku was holding back

>>155960615
>>155960610

lmao more xddd

>>155960615
but we all know technique > power

Did he not watch OG Dragon Ball?

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>>155960645
kkk powerlevelfag

>>155960615
You know that wouldn't be the worst strategy.

Bring a bunch of complete weaklings so that they'll get murdered by even the weakest of attacks from the enemy team to get everyone disqualified for breaking the 'no killing' rule.

Then your universe wins by default and you wish the dead team back with the dragon balls.

VICTORY!

>>155960648
But anon, how could he use technique? If he touched them they would have died
Jiren is the one touch man

>>155960692
Shit, how did you know the furries patented Meat Shield strategy?!

>>155960706
U9 confirmed winners of the tournament

>>155960692
But then Zen-chan will destroy everyone anyway for putting on a boring fight.

>>155960638
NO SHIT

its as if they didnt show that in the fucking show you retard. First thing 17 ASSUMED about 16 is that he was weaker than them.

And just because 17 and 18 were weaker at the time, doesnt mean they stayed weaker. 16 cant get stronger as A) he cant absorb energy like 19 and Gero B) he isnt human and cant naturally get stronger

I swear this board has literal fucking retards on it

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As i predicted, the butthurt and rage generated by the Goku vs 17 fight was going to be even bigger than the one caused by episode 84.

Feels good to be right.

>>155960515
This site seems to be fun.

>Merged zamasu is the second strongest DB character
>2-C

Why?

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>>155960610
>people will scan over this thinking it's blasting 17's power level, then reply to it among a bulk of other posts and end up looking foolish

>>155960725
Not so fast!

The Pride Troopers will EVACUATE THESE HARMLESS CIVILIANS TO SAFETY! Toppo will sacrifice his chance in fighting to ensure the innocents are spared and that Jiren stops the menace, Son Goku, once and for all!

>>155960598
>all these guys who trained by plowing the land, protecting wildlife or just weightlifting and didn't need to get under gods' tutelage in order to get SUPER strong

>>155960515
>>155960779
Fuck off sperglords.

>>155960779
Because of merged zamasu in universe mode who has gone beyond space time itself.

Even beerus and Whis were worried about it.

>>155960787
Goku is fucked anyway. If Jiren is as powerful as Toppo said he was, there is no match. Jiren just needs to punch him and wammo

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What's his expression trying to convey?

People like to make fun of Gohan for jobbing, but has he ever jobbed this hard?

Will gokufags ever recover?

>>155960829
Calculating how much power he'll need to use to make the mexicans angry.

>>155960829
>you think changing your hair color will make me irrelevant?

>>155960829
17 looks like the Grand Priest

>>155960829
It's the moment he discovered the joy of being dominated by a saiyan and is considering leaving his family for some hot money dick.

>>155960745
You or that other faggot JUST STATED that 17 and 18 are superior to 16. They are functionally inferior to him in every fucking way.
Period.
Literally fucking everyone took one look at 16 and thought. "When the big dude decides to fight some serious shit is going to go down" and we were right.


And yeah, the energy absorption thing? That was what Toriyama was going to go with when he wanted androids. It would have made perfect fucking sense and necessitate a fucking sword and the energy control and fast simple ki use and martial arts skill that Trunks showed in his first apperance.


By the way you complete ass clown. Them being cyborgs with infinite false ki generators does not mean they'll be able to infinitely grow. Them even being able to get appreciably stronger by training is deeply fucking stupid on every fucking level.

>>155960892
>By the way you complete ass clown. Them being cyborgs with infinite false ki generators does not mean they'll be able to infinitely grow. Them even being able to get appreciably stronger by training is deeply fucking stupid on every fucking level.

MUH HEADCANON SAYS SO SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

LMAO OG DRAGON BALL VIBES XD

>>155960805
Truly, justice wins again!

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>that moment when you use your strongest form to hold back

>>155960892
Like it or not, 17 and 18 can become stronger by training as explained by Toriyama.

Stay mad.

>>155960845
It's honestly cute considering it's actually believable this time.

He's had approximately a decade at this point to train himself in what's effectively isolation. Considering he takes his job seriously, as well as Popo alluding to the possibility 17 has dealt with what were possibly potential global catastrophes that just happened to go under the main cast's radar during their own adventures, it's believable 17's power jumped right the fuck up there with Majin Buu.

>>155960892
Its ok to cry now anon, we understand that goku is getting cucked by an "inferior" android. But as god himself has said, 17 has potential that wasnt shown and as any human, you can consistently get stronger year after year. You should go visit /fit/ for a little while

One major problem I have with where the series is at now is how everyone seems to operate on the same level of speed and strength.


You can guarantee in Dragonball, anyone who's weak enough would be exposed with their movements alone to a superior opponent.

For instance Taopaipai vs Tien, the difference between them power level wise couldn't have been more than 50 but Tien was so incredibly superior in every respect.

Now you can guarantee he'd be able to keep up with Perfect Cell level opponents in speed and power just because everything's gone full retard.

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>>155960914

>>155960927
17 and 18 apparently never got stronger from the moment they were unleashed on the world in FTs timeline. They were free and using their powers liberally and without end and fighting people for nearly a decade and a half and they didn't go up in power one fucking bit.

17 and 18 are stronger in Goku's timeline however. Why is that? Did they train offscreen?

>>155960892
>funtionally inferor
>they can actually increase in strength and dont have a set cap like 16

Yeah 16 was so strong that this ultimate weapon was killing himself :^)

>>155960965
Stronger? Yeah they can train their human components to get stronger.
Strong enough to double in power or even strong enough to take on SSJB?

Hell no.

>>155960997
17 trained, future 17 didn't.

>>155961024
>Who is freezer

>>155961024
>Strong enough to double in power or even strong enough to take on SSJB?

Frieza demonstrates god level power is nothing special and can be achieved by normal training without a god's tutelage.

>>155961019
Yeah, so the only thing that makes them "superior" is the current full retard super canon?
Correct?

>>155960997
17 in the present trains and whoops peoples asses with his hands

17 is the future just blasts people to death

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>>155960292
I'm Kurinrin

>>155961048
A mutant prodigy that never trained a single day in his life.
17 is a street rat who would be weaker then a fucking farmer without a gun if not for the cybernetic enhancements that Gero put in him.

>>155961061
Then why haven't the other Z fighters achieved that yet? What's the fucking point of SSJB or god ki? There is no point in anything anymore. It's just a clusterfuck of pointless nonsense now.

still don't get why gohan told everyone to lie
they've been in planet threatening situations for a dozen times

>>155961065
Future 17 actually fought people hand to hand. All of the time.
This isn't even a thing anymore. It's a fact.
For nearly 15 fucking years he fought armies and Gohan and in that 15 years he never fucking once went up in power. Not one goddamned bit.

>>155961101

>Then why haven't the other Z fighters achieved that yet? What's the fucking point of SSJB or god ki? There is no point in anything anymore. It's just a clusterfuck of pointless nonsense now.

Frieza is from a race of rare and very powerful creatures, we have only seen 4 of his race in the whole franchise.

>>155960292
Why do the Androids refer to themselves and each other by the numbers given to them by Gero? Did they forget their real names?

>>155960997
Butterfly effect.

It doesn't matter, future androids are not the kind of people who would train and had never been shown to challenge themselves.

>>155961063
>retarded super canon

Anon, this seems to be your only answer to any of the examples people tell you. Have a better argument?

Its been known that the human androids could get stronger

Its been known that 16 (a full powered android) was at the time stronger than 2 new human androids

Its known that 16 absolutely not get stronger as he has no means of doing so (plus hes super dead lol)

>>155961101
SINCE he get those enhancements, he use it to get stronger.

Tenshihan was able to face cell second form as a normal human, so a human with cybernetic enhancement and great potential can do great things

>>155961147
And of that race, he's considered a fucking genius and gohan tier mutant.
Fuck, he might even be the broly of his race.

He's never had to seriously train a day in his life. Maybe when his father/mother taught him how to control his powers but that's it.

>>155961101
Why did no one achieve a power level of more than 1000 until after Raditz showed up?
Why was no one strong enough to kill King Piccolo until after Goku had already beaten him?

Yet once he did and we knew the Saiyans were coming everyone went far past King Piccolo and beyond 1000 power level in less than a year. With nothing but ordinary training.

Dragon Ball has literally always been like this. You just have selective fucking memory.

>>155961138
mainline 17 and 18 had updates the future versions didn't that gave them the ability to just further their own natural human growth as fighters.

hey, it'd help the whole thing about mainline 17 and 18 being inexplicably stronger make more sense. that's a retcon i can get behind.

>>155961138
So what youre saying is gohan fought 17 for 15 years and never got stronger?

Or is it that he and 18 were consistently getting stronger which is why trunks and gohan could never beat them even after 15 years?

>>155961202
bad argument since trunks was able to floor them easy as shit when he got back.

>>155961101
>A mutant prodigy that never trained a single day in his life.
It's nice to see you gobbling down the hamfisted explanation toriyama came up with last second too.

>Then why haven't the other Z fighters achieved that yet?

Because they don't have overpowered android tech sperglord.

Nevermind the fact the morality of giving biomechanic enhancements to humans is put into question by the fact both androids hated the living fuck out of Gero.

>>155961221
Yours is not even a counterargument.

>Oob is mentioned again, contradicting when he was mentioned in filler
Seems that "god palace can move around the globe now" thing and Dende and Goku talking about Oob is from Toriyama's

>>155961221
not sure how its a bad argument, trucks got actual training when he was in the past, learned to utilize his super saiyan strength and how to control it (since gohan went super saiyan after gokus death, he didnt have anyone to help with it, and then trunks went super saiyan after gohan died so he was just using the boost)

No to mention he used the hyperbolic time chamber, learned the Super form, etc

I have some pretty good arguments, while you didnt even give one

>>155961159
I'm going to let you in on something.
Just walking around with carrying a relatively heavy backpack filled with snacks and a laptop to play videogames will make you stronger and more fit.
That's how little it takes.

During the nearly 15 fucking years they were fucking around and fighting armies and fighting gohan who was getting stronger himself...they never went up in power.
Not even a tad.
Not any.

There is no butter fly effect. They simply did not go up in power.

>>155961162
What examples?
Show them to me again. Show me these examples that don't just boil down to "WELL 17 IS REALLY STRONG IN SUPER NOW SO THATS THAT".

>>155961178
Yeah. But those cybernetic enhancements don't give the hack writers fucking carte blanche to just say HE AM STRONGER NOW! What the tech actually does and what we know about their bodies reaction to training in the DB universe outright forbids this from being the case.
If the senzu beans didn't exist and there were humans that were actually limited from being SSJB level or even SSJ2 level because of energy then you would have a point. But they are not.
The only human with the potential to get that strong is fucking Uub.
And he's a Frieza tier mutant.

it really seems like people are going full retarded over the episodes

>>155961319
17 has basically became like a new person when he got those enhancements.

So, he's too freezer tier mutant.

>>155961319

are you actually able to give a reason why you think 16 is the superior android and not just the same old "BECAUSE I SAID SO" answer?

>>155961332
Yep, they don't want old characters to be relevant.

>>155961332
I'm convinced half the shit now is people finally capitalizing on the heat surrounding these past few episodes to just stir more shit up.

Like fuck, >>155960622 is just straight up being upfront about it even.

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>>155961331

That is his real father.

>>155961399
it would be interesting if he was Nams

>>155961194
>mainline 17 and 18 had updates the future versions didn't that gave them the ability to just further their own natural human growth as fighters.
>hey, it'd help the whole thing about mainline 17 and 18 being inexplicably stronger make more sense. that's a retcon i can get behind.

That's stupid.
Their natural potential as fighters are to be weaklings that can't even hold chaozu's hat. Saiyajin saga chaozu's hat.

They are litterally all tech.

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Good to see 17 after a very long time, that fight against Goku was awesome. He's also getting another episode, not to mention he appears several times in the OP.

So excited about his role in the upcoming tournament .

Do you think Goku keeping this universe erased thing will be backfired during actual tournament?

>>155961442
Meh, technically they're more like genetically modified superhumans. There's very little machine in there, it's mostly organic.

>>155961202
>So what youre saying is gohan fought 17 for 15 years and never got stronger?
No. I'm saying that Gohan got stronger but 17 and 18 never did. Eventually, if the ova is correct, he became strong enough to ALMOST take them down.
If they consistently got stronger like a human then they should have never had any trouble with gohan at any point.

>Or is it that he and 18 were consistently getting stronger which is why trunks and gohan could never beat them even after 15 years?
No, stupid.
They were simply outmatched completely.
Were the saiyajins unable to beat frieza because he killed ten of them with a swing of it's tail?

>>155961319

>Just walking around with carrying a relatively heavy backpack filled with snacks and a laptop to play videogames will make you stronger and more fit.

Except you eventually get to a point where this sort of shit has no effect at all and that's assuming you couldn't do this effortlessly from the start.
Your analogy is shit because Future 17 was strong enough to the point taking out Gohan and Trunks took absolutely no effort from his part so no reason for him to gain any strength.
You need to actually put EFFORT into your training sessions to get stronger, which is something future 17 very clearly never did.

>>155960453
Gohan is Shiryu

>>155960438
He said they look like 17's

Uub confirmed.

End of Z is a thing then?

Also 17 is pretty cool. Confirming that Cell arc was best arc.

>>155961510
They never did

On one occasion they blasted his arm off

On the other they literally slaughtered him like a pig

>>155961225
>It's nice to see you gobbling down the hamfisted explanation toriyama came up with last second too.
Fine then.
Let's go by DBZ canon. Outside of his parent he's never once encountered anyone or thing that's ever made him even try in his entire life.

>>Then why haven't the other Z fighters achieved that yet?
>Because they don't have overpowered android tech sperglord.
Android tech that has a clear defined fucking ceiling you stupid cunt. The tech doesn't just give them all of the potential to be as strong as shit unless it outright states it.
And the mere existence of the senzu beans means that the infinite energy means they can get stronger because infinite training is fucking retarded.


>Nevermind the fact the morality of giving biomechanic enhancements to humans is put into question by the fact both androids hated the living fuck out of Gero.
I don't care about that shit you faggot.

>>155960668
Now that I think about it.. the best strategy would be to recruit some suicidal fanatics and just make them run inbetween fights of stronger guys to get erased by their Ki blasts.

That way everybody gets DQ and you win by default.

>>155961510
but anon, according to you Gohan was nearly at their level. So with the help of trunks, he should have easily been able to kill the androids

>>155961590
>Android tech that has a clear defined fucking ceiling you stupid cunt
Headcanon.
Next.

>>155961569
It was always a thing retard

>>155961607
>Headcanon
>Super canon

Is this what autists scream when they dont have valid points?

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>That smile

Why did they make 17 so hot?

The training of Whis must be fucking fucking lame if 17 managed to to train by himself and hold his line against ssj blue.

Does this mean 17 would be able to spar with Beerus when he first arrived to earth?

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This here is the most important quote of the episode so you faggots will shut up

>>155961639
Your post was headcanon though. They're not even fucking androids you dub watching fuck face. They're artificial humans, non-mechanical, organic. Therefore, they can get stronger.

So eat a dick paco.

>>155961348
The enhancements enhanced his body to that level and gave him infinite fake ki. It's not like it gave him the ability to limitless grow.
He has a hard built in limit that can only be surpassed in a real way by having gero take off the limiters or upgrade him. That's it.

>>155961349
Okay.
He is stronger
He is faster
He has built in weapons
He has the same ki generators
He is more durable by leaps and bounds
He can sense ki
He doesn't need to sleep eat or drink
He has a nuke in him

17 and 18 have...nothing.
The whole THEY CAN GET REALLY STRONG thing comes from super only canon and makes not a lick of fucking sense.

>>155961628
Well no need to resort to name calling.

It was entirely possible that Super would retcon end of Z.

>>155961687
>Basically headcanon

>>155961500
Getting a pacemaker installed doesn't mean your DNA is changed anon.

>>155961682
Im not him anon, i can just smell the retard on you

>an another super lame episode next week with a muh random lame ass ayylmao enemy from the space

Why are they doing this

17 voice changed, no?

>>155961606
Trunks couldn't fight his way out of a wet one sided sack though. That's his daddy's jobber dna.

>>155961774
This so much.

>>155961639
Bullshit statements that aren't backed by any sort of official material are headcanon, deal with it.

the mechanics of the cyborg tech that 17 and 18 use are never established beyond the fact they have infinite stamina, the possibility of being able to grow stronger is never ruled out and the ceiling you claim exists is never shown explicitly.
At this point you're just buttblasted because the show didn't follow what you thought made sense.

Will it ever be revealed that 17 and 18 were Gero's biological children?

>>155961687
>17 can get stronger
>17 can get fast (as seen since he can keep up with ssb)
>as you said he has the same ki generators
>His ki is unsensable even though hes partially human
>doesnt need to sleep or eat, just needs water
>17 is the only one that still has a bomb in him
>17 isnt forever dead

>>155961701
What part of that is headcanon?

>>155961774
No.
Training does not make the androids strong enough to go toe to toe with SSJB. That doesn't make sense. Don't you get it?
If this is the case then nothing about this anime makes any goddamned sense anymore.

It means that any faggot can get up 80% of Beerus's power with no actual effort at all.

It makes Goku and everything that's happened in this misbegotten money grab called an anime look fucking stupid.

>>155961837
>>Toriyama says 17 became a park ranger in an interview
>Headcanon! It will never happen!
>Comes back on the show, is actually a park ranger
>>Toriyama says Androids can become stronger by training
>Headcanon! It will never happen!
>17 comes back, trained, and is now stronger

>>155961853
>No.
>Training does not make the androids strong enough to go toe to toe with SSJB. That doesn't make sense. Don't you get it?


It clearly does, are you blind anon?

>B-BUT MUH CHARTS AND MUH MADE UP NUMBERS!

So glad that powerlevelfags are getting BTFO with every episode. They deserve it for being such a cancerous part of the fanbase.

>>155961687
>>155961844
oh and let me add this to counter your "weapons" argument. Since they have the ability to learn and are running off set programs like 16, theyre able to develop new attacks

>>155961870
Meant for
>>155961687

>>155961837
You know what. You're right.

So that means Beerus is a fag and Goku should be thrown out in favor of 17. No seriously.
Now that SSJB has been revealed to be a shit tier SSJ level and 17 was able to slap his shit after a few years of casual training while working on a nature preserve I honestly can't see a reason why Beerus hasn't dropped Goku in favor of 17.

I mean, Goku is a fucking retard dude. Litterally nothing he's done has benefited the universe or Beerus in any real way.

>>155961894
arent*

>>155961853
>No actual effort
Just like freezer?

>What part is headcanon

Are you blind?

Toriyama himself said that 17 can grow stronger

>>155961853
>Training does not make the androids strong enough to go toe to toe with SSJB
I didnt know Toyotaro and Toryiama post on 4chan

>>155961907
>Being this Butthurt

Just glad to see old characters being relevant and trigger powerlevelsfags

>>155961907
The buttblast in this post can be felt behind every word.

>>155961917
Stop replying to that autist, he's just using his headcanon as arguments that have been already debunked by canon facts and stated by Toriyama himself.

>>155961961
You're right, he's just retarded at this point.

>>155961946
>>155961948
No, I'm being serious.

17 casually trained for years and was strong enough to go toe to toe with a SSJB goku who was quite clearly trying hard.
That means he could have probably beaten SSJG.
This means that there is a good chance he can hold his own against an 80% powered beerus.

I ask you.

What does Beerus need Goku for? He's not the top cock on the block anymore. It's 17. Plus he's not absolutely retarded and the source of most of his current problems.

>>155961961
>>155961990
guaranteed he will say your posts are headcanon

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DB was always full of shit.

Remember when Piccolo who in his pre-Namek Post-Sayian saga state could probably barely beat Vegeta (if he could at all) was able to go toe to toe with second form Frieza after absorbing a fucking Namekian WHO WASNT EVEN ABLE TO SCRATCH FIRST FORM FRIEZA

>Yo bro, we will all get erased if we fail
>whatever

Why is 17 so relateable?

>>155962019

Goku hasn't used his maximum, 17 is SSB tier but not stronger than goku.

Also, beerus wasn't aware of 17's existence.

>>155962059
Db fanbase is full of autistic manchild.

Is the smugpupper here?

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>>155962059
B-b-b-b-but Kaio-sama's training!!

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soon...

>>155962134
kill yourself

>>155962170

What? Why?

>>155962108
Goku went into ssjb and was quite clearly straining while 17 stared at him as if he were tying his shoe lace.
And if it only took 17 a few years of minor training on top of taking care of his wife three kids and a nature preserve then....he's got a hell of a lot more potential then Goku.

And if dende is aware of him then whis damned well should be aware of 17.

>>155962177
I'm waiting.

The way things are being set up,it really does seem like everyone except Piccolo is going to contribute significantly. Piccolo's whole thing feels like "I'll just train gohan". I hope I'm wrong.

>>155962202

What?

>>155962215
I'm waiting for you to pull the trigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9gnUUM314

>>all those butthurt mexican's in the comments
This is great.

>>155962180
>And if dende is aware of him then whis damned well should be aware of 17.
I dont think angels are that cogniscient.

He only knew Goku I believe because he knew Frieza, the biggest mortal name in the universe, was killed so he was able to find out who killed him via that. Whis has to know what he's looking for is what I'm saying. Which is why Shin went to search for warriors and not him.

>>155962225

Why do you wish my death?

>>155962180
Whis dont have to.

Like I said, goku hasn't used his maximum, watch the episode.

>>155962247
Still waiting.

>>155962240
>this is so sad, nothing makes sense in Dragon Ball anymore, I liked it better before

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So, smugpupper is not here?

>>155962261
You're gonna be waiting for a while then.

>>155962240
>Implying Ameritard aren't the one getting Butthurt

>b-b-b-b-but Goku has a powerlevel of 100000 QUADRILLION it says so in this fan manual made by Pedro

Powerlevelfags were the cancer that killed DBZ.

>>155962253
So why in the shit did he go SSJB and strain like a college lesbian who's trying to take Jamal's cock for the first time?

Seems to me like 17 is the new hotness and Goku is only the lead because of nepotism.

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I love how people think SSJ phases means only THE BIGGER THE NUMBER THE STRONGEST HE IS.

Its fucking retarded

Games did this perfectly

>SSj1 is just a stronger base. Its ok.
>SSj2 is a faster SSj1 but the "strenght" stays close to it
>SSj3 is a stronger SSj1 but its slower than 2 and drains more energy

God and Ki should be about ki control. Not who can bench press more you fucking retards kill yourselves and burn in hell.

Fuck i am mad.

>>155962306
>Powerlevelfags were the cancer that killed DBZ.

Powerlevels are what saved DB from cancelation and what made DBZ into a worldwide phenomenon.

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Lazuli is the biggest cutie prove me wrong you can't

>>155962316
BECAUSE HE WANT TO TEST HIS OPPONENTS!

Is it that hard to understand?

17 is SSB tier just like freezer but not stronger than goku.

17 even said that goku wasn't at his maximum.

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>tfw your androids can keep up with god level fighters
technology wins again

>>155962323
This so much.

>>155962323
>>SSj1 is just a stronger base. Its ok.
>>SSj2 is a faster SSj1 but the "strenght" stays close to it
>>SSj3 is a stronger SSj1 but its slower than 2 and drains more energy

The fuck are you getting this shit from you galloping retard?

Each SSJ form is just a stronger boost for the base.

Each new form is stronger and more powerful(strength and speed)overall.

And each form is more costly in terms of ki and stamina overall.

>>155962337
Human weren't irrelevant before.

Bulma's the MVP of the UT arc. She survived a slap from THE god of destruction Beerus

>>155962373
Budokai Tenkaichi series.

>>155962348
And goku said that 17 wasn't trying hard at all. Hell we saw that he wasn't trying at all.

>>155962404
h-he was holding back

the immortal deity who has no trouble wiping out millions of people and entire planets was h-holding back because he wanted to t-teach her a lesson

>>155962180
>Powerlevels=main character
>Geez why beerus doesn't resurrect freezer since he's the main character?

>>155962431
And you don't know how far he can go.

Remind me again why Gohan told Goku to hide the "losers get erased" thing from everyone? It makes no fucking sense.

>>155962438
EVEN if he was holding back he's so strong that trying to touch something would result in it exploding from the sheer force.

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I'M DYING

So some question.

How could an android produce semen? Is his child half android?
Why didn't they show us the picture of his family?
He says that he adopted two kids. Does that make a him cuck?

>>155962477
You showed a Mexican who enjoyed this episode though.

>>155962019
>casually trained

Stop warping your head canon. This isn't healthy.

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>>155962473
Because seeing as Vegeta became a happy daddy with Bra he would go completly apeshit at Goku if he knew that he basically put a death sentence on his lovely daughter and wife and son and would probably kill him or get killed while trying.

>>155962490
They're cyborgs you big silly
Humans that were given machine parts

>>155962496
Is Julian Martinez /ourguy/?

>They didn't show us 17's family
But why?

>>155962516
Goku actually gived vegeta a chance to save his daughter.

>>155962477
There is a Mexican who enjoyed this episode in your screencap.

17 sounds like obito

>>155962516
They don't have to mention the fact that it's Goku's fault. Plus they're all gonna find out later anyway.

>>155962512
He's willing to let the universe be destroyed so he can protect that nature preserve.
He can't actually train in a way to build the kind of strength you'd need to take on SSJB Goku without doing some serious damage.

So he either found someplace really far away to train or he trained very casually.
And I don't see the former happening.

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>>155962522
>>155962535
Yes!

>>155962477
they're all fucking right though. super's whole point is completely lost and they keep rehashing the same story-arcs. it's shit, no, it's worse than that... it's one of the worst things ever in anime... but I still want to watch more because I'm a stupid cunt who wants more dragon ball -_-

>>155962521
Cyborgs usually remove nonessential organs that don't serve their new functions. Why was he and his sister allowed to keep their reproductive parts?

>>155962477
kek can't wait for Tien to be as strong as SSB too.

>>155962490
>How could an android produce semen?
actually a cyborg. They were normal people then Gero robotized them. he left their sex parts fully functioning.
>Is his child half android?
No
>Why didn't they show us the picture of his family?
It's irrelevant and would take effort
>He says that he adopted two kids. Does that make a him cuck?
No, if he were a cuck he'd be raising kids his wife bore for another man while they were together.

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Soon.

>>155962559
Sadly, he was pretty weak in ROF.

He may have gotten stronger but nothing like 17.

>>155962555
Dr. Gero wanted them to fuck each other in front of him.

REEE NOTHING CAN BEAT SAIYANS! WHAT IS THIS?

>>155962553

>super's whole point is completely lost
What was the point exactly?

>>155962551
>It doesn't have to be good if it's my definition of fun.
Shit doesn't stop being shit just because you like the way it tastes.

ill stop watching super if they only change the hair color for the next transformation

>>155962545
I don't get this point. if anything, Goku gave them a fighting chance. Zennoh was going to just get rid of a bunch of universes. hell, they even mentioned it in the previous episode before this and one of the gods of destruction just went "oh Goku is so horrible". this series is a fucking nonsensical train-wreck.

>>155962555
You don't need a robodick to fight any better

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>>155962490
>He says that he adopted two kids. Does that make a him cuck?
>Adopting kids makes now makes you a cuck
Is this what happens when you let stupid people use words they don't understand?

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>>155962592

>>155962560
>he left their sex parts fully functioning.

But why though

>It's irrelevant and would take effort

Drawing a picture is too hard?
>No, if he were a cuck he'd be raising kids his wife bore for another man while they were together.

He is still raising kids that are do not have his genecode.

>>155962606
Like I said, DB fanbase is full of autistic manchild.

>>155962582
elevate to a level mortals/non-gods shouldn't be able to reach in order to fight the gods, no?

17 as strong as Goku?

Makes no EFFING sense.

Goku powerlevel should of be at least
702,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000??????????
Hello????

Toriyama gone senile????????????

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>>155962553
dum dum

>>155962600
Zenno was going to forget for millions of years. Vados only said that to the GoDs because millions of years probably isnt a lot to her.

>>155962490
>Why didn't they show us the picture of his family?
Not designed yet by toriyama lol.

>>155962637
No?

The whole point of Super was to create a new series riding on the sucess of Z.
Just like the whole point of Z was to create a new series riding on the sucess of the original.
Just like a new series point will probably be to ride it on the sucess of Super.

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>>155962637
>mortals/non-gods shouldn't be able to reach in order to fight the gods

>>155962646
thanks, I love you too.

>>155962606
Cuckold

def

>A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife. In evolutionary biology, the term is also applied to males who are unwittingly investing parental effort in offspring that are not genetically their own.

He might be doing it unwittingly but still they are not his kids. He wasting his resources of some else's kids.

What if by Goku and Vegeta ascending to Godhood they essentially upped their universe's quality and ningen's power?

That's my headcannon.

>>155962490
>He says that he adopted two kids. Does that make a him cuck?
lel it depends if it's his wife's children.

>hey, sis. look at my wife's twins playing baseball.
>th-that's.. cute.
>yeah, my wife's twins are really cool.
>it is revealed later that 17's wife is Maron, Krillin's ex-gf.
>Krillin impregnated her before they broke up
>17 is raising Krillin's kids

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>>155962670
The funny thing is Golden Frieza is technically Stronger than full power-Beerus before they retconnected his power-levels but nobody seems to give a shit about it

>>155962659
that's obvious. I was trying to point out the premise of the lore though. I agree with you nonetheless.

>>155962670
fuck gimp frieza. the whole thing about him was retarded.

>>155962655
Then why even bother with writing a bit about Goku pestering 17 for a peek at his family's picture?

By the way, is 17's hair naturally dark?

>>155962677
That's not what ningen quality is. Goku probably brings that shit down.

>>155962674
>unwillingly
So you are genuinely stupid, I'm sad to know have established that with you.

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>>155962673
love u2 bby

Nice ep. Both Goku and 17 were very chill. Really liked how both sat down and just talked.

>>155962625
>But why though
bad writing

>Drawing a picture is too hard?
It is when your budget is shit, what you're drawing is irrelevant, and when you're as lazy as toei.

>He is still raising kids that are do not have his genecode.
>He doesn't know what a cuck is
A cuckhold is someone in a relationship with an adulterer. If his wife isn't/hasn't cheating on him then he isn't cuck.

17 just hacked himself and put cheat codes to increase his power level. boom. I just solved it.

>>155962674
>unwittingly
>Anon can't read

I hope it's revealed that Universe 6's level was lower than 7's but because Beerus wished for U6 Earth to be reborn, he raised U6's level just high enough.

>>155962752
>>155962716
Not doing it unwittingly*

That's what I meant to right. Still though, not his kids.

17 and 18 have no robot parts in them. So what the actual fuck did Gero do to them to make them androids/cyborgs?

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>People are astonished that Goku and Vegeta being trained by Beerus didnt turn into unbeatable gods of fightning with an infinite billion powerlevel.

Do i have to remember you faggots that since the Buu vs basil match everytime someone talks about or to Beerus is about how fucking garbage of a god he is?

>>155962790
Modified them on a cellular level I believe.

>>155962772
...Which makes him not a cuck, why did you reply? You're still a moron for trying to use it like a buzzword then arguing (incorrect) semantics when you were called out on using the actual definition wrong.

>Only one Minotaur left in the entire world
Then why are they leaving it on this island in the wild?
You'd think that some sort of organization would want to protect it, not just 17.

>>155962819
Technically he is though. Self delusion is a thing.

>>155961484
If it was Z, Vegeta would probably beat the shit out of Goku for endangering his newborn daughter

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>>155962809
>insulting Beerus

Why would you insult the best god. U7 going to shit is Shin's fault.

>>155962816
Would their offspring inherent their artificial biology?

>>155962853
There was no one to train Shin because the fucktard cat trapped the old Kaio

>>155962833
>technically
>yet still wrong by the true definition
>adopting parentless children makes you a self-deluding cuckold
I'm honestly just going to stop here because I might get catch your stupid.

>>155962855
Only if their genetics were modified.

>>155962822
Stop thinking so fucking hard.

Minotauros will be kidnapped, they save it, goku mentions the super dragon balls (I assume earth dragon balls cant bring back extinct species), 17 joins so he could win best warrior award. And because he doesnt want to be erased after all.

>>155962833
Technically you're stupid.
He isn't because he know the kids are adopted, the end.
Learn what "technical" means faggot.

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>>155962853
>U7 going to shit is Shin's fault.
DELET

I don't mind 17 being on par with blue. It's pretty clear by now blue alone isn't going to be enough to win the tournament. Goku simply will pull another transformation to get ahead of everyone once again. You can even see it in the OP.

>>155962855
Depends if he altered their genetic structure or just their cellular and anatomic structure.

Though logically, if he altered their cells he would have to alter their genes so that new cell produced maintained the changes.

So realistically, yes actually, at least to an extent. They might not fully inherit their parents powers (since Gero made non-genetic modifications too) but they would probably be naturally superior in terms of fighting power to normal human children though.

>>155962915
>anon going full stupid
stop

>>155962890
>>155962870
>Confirmed to be adopted

>>155962925
Nice argument.

I don't really like it, but you can make sense out of it if you want to.

The average human power level is probably around 5 (literally the first power level shown in a scouter). Assuming Androids can train their bodies just like average humans, just as Krillin for example, they should be able to power up to AT LEAST 15 000 times their BASE power level (last official known Krillin's power level was 75 000 during the Frieza Saga according to V-Jump, I divided that by 5).

Assuming Android's BASE was about the same as a Super Saiyan Goku (officially 150 000 000 during the Frieza Saga according to Daizenshuu 7), then their power level after training like Krillin did should be AT LEAST 2 250 000 000 000, which is comparable to that of Super Saiyan Vegito (calculated at 2 500 000 000 000 in http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_real_MOST_ACCURATE_list_of_power_levels). I do believe someone with that kind of power could provide a nice sparring session for Super Saiyan Blue Goku.

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I cant tell if Earth has a high ningen level or not. I mean, every god and angel that has been to earth has sucked its dick like no other planet we've seen so far.

But at the same time, you have these guys right here who look like complete shitters but have interstellar space travel AND they know what earth and the minotauros are. Sure Bulma can create ships that travel can travel super fast across space, but it doesnt seem like she's released that knowledge to humanity since we dont see earthlings going for more space travel. Earthlings arent stupid as can be seen from compared to other civilizations but they dont have galactic interaction. It was deemed a baby saiyan could take them out for christs sake. If Earth is such a nice planet, how come Freeza did sell it sooner?

Autistic people love numbers
DBZ fans LOVE powerlevels
DBZ fans are autistic

DBS fans are the true patricians

Why does 17 not care if the universe gets erased again? Does he not care about his family or the animals?

>>155962983
DB fans are true patricians.

Didnt Toriyama recently express regret over how super saiyans went down?

I think the new "mystic" base form goku we see in the opening is a way of getting rid of transformations for good.

tfw hi

>>155962323
Both anime and manga didn't follow this. We saw SSJ2 Gohan being both faster and stronger than his SSJ form. SSJ3 was also better at everything and the only problem was stamina. SSB is also strictly better in everything. Even at the first episode we saw Beerus beating DBZ Goku with a finger, ffs, it should be obvious SSB should be better at everything.

It's not our fault Toriyama is a hack that must always introduce a new guy that can beat the last strongest guy in the universe with his little finger.

>>155962988
To create unnecessary drama and extend this filler shit another ep.

>>155962988
he's drank the nihilist juice.

>>155962988
Because of it gets erased, then it can't be helped. It wouldn't be his fault.

If he can't save everyone (animals included because his departure would mean that animals will get poached), then there is no point.

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>>155962906
>Kaioshin: Shin
>Appeared before Goku and friends during the battle with Majin Buu. The youngest of the Kaioshins, he seems somewhat unreliable.

>unreliable.

>>155962966
You're probably right.

>>155962853
There are only 27 planets with life left, that's clearly all Beerus' fault. Doesn't help that he destroys them for petty dumb reasons rather than actual evaluations.

>>155963050
Shin didn't even know Zeno existed, that's how pathetic he is.

>>155963129
I was being facetious with that post. Beerus is the dumbass one.

>>155961682
>They're not even fucking androids you dub watching fuck face. They're artificial humans, non-mechanical, organic.

Well, they were human once, modified cybernetically at the cellular level, which allows them to age slowly, not have to eat, and provides infinite energy. If we believe that Lapis and Lazuli were both common humans (~PL 5) and they were enhanced to levels in the hundreds of millions by their cybernetics and nothing else, then we have two potential conclusions:

1). The cybernetics are the 200+m power level, and therefore can't be improved. Or...
2). The cybernetics enhance a PL 5 person by exponentially increasing organic material to high levels, much like how SSJ enhances base level much higher instantly.

If 1 is true, then no, they can't improve without cybernetic improvements. If 2 is true, then even increasing one's "human" power level by another 5 points could double your previous enhanced power level. The implications all around are that 2 is correct, and even a modest gain in personal cellular strength would make Android 17 and 18 incredibly strong quickly.

>that part when Whis and Vados were complaining to Zeno about their GoDs after the U6 tournament.
>you thought they were just playful bantering
>now thinking it was literally a call for replacements.

>>155961760

Still lists Shigeru Nakahara as the voice, so no. He might just be changing things up since 17 isn't such a childish butthole anymore.

>>155960845
jajajajaj topest of keks

>>155960425
more like the gay pride troopers

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>People not understanding how power levels work

>people forgetting the entire concept of being able to lower one's power level at will, something REPEATEDLY stated CONSTANTLY in both the Saiyan saga and the Frieza saga of Dragon Ball Z

>people completely ignoring the decent quality animation and /comfy/ visuals of the episode

The amount of subhumans in the Dragon Ball community is genuinely SCARY and is depressing me to no end.

>>155962853
Christ, what a fucking qt.

who fucking cares if Goku jobbed a little at least he's not a cuck raising two kids that arent even his

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The big series plot twist is that Beerus is actually really weak and everyone pretended to lose to make him feel better.

>>155963325
>Adopting children makes you a cuck
You people are pathetic

>>155960433
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.

>>155962551
>Toriyama scraps power levels at Android arc
>years after, Toei still making inconsistent fights breaking Toriyama's power scaling in DBS while Toriyama's pupil is making a consistent manga with the master
>"BASED TOEI WORKING WITH TORIYAMA TO RID OFF POWERLEVELS"

Are toeishills the most delusional people ever?

>>155963453
>t. spic

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Is he the most powerful base form character in the entire history of Japanese comic books?

>>155963484
Nice argument "toeichad"

>>155963325
Instead he is a deadbeat monkey who doesn't even raise his own.

Good thing we'll get gogeta red in a few days from /ourguy/ to calm everyone down.

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If 17 is this strong, imagine how completely unstoppable Cell would be if he were still around.

GOLDEN Super Saiyan God Cell

>>155963499
Buu is stronger.

Fuck this shity characters getting boosts
Where is Broly?

>>155963501
quedate molesto puto

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>>155963529
>buu
>stronger than even base saiyan god

>>155963382
It's bloody unnatural to raise some else's kid though

>>155963530

Atleast 17 is canon, Broly is movie ONLY!

How many extra years did Goku and Vegeta spend in the HTC after Beerus turns up? All that shit fighting Black/Zamasu? Training with Whis, sparring with eachother?

All that shit that the hardest working, most experienced fighters, with the hugest natural potential (minus Gohan) and determination to get stronger struggled through years of pain and battles, apparently not much in comparison to herding dodos

>>155963562
Buu beat Goku in episode 85 easily.

>>155963559
OK try with an actual argument now
I'll be waiting, pal

>>155963129
>27 planets with life

This is such bullshit considering everything we've seen in DBZ that I don't know where to begin. The Saiyans were hired out to go clean out planets to be sold, right, so they were just that good at it and kept sending thousands of their babies off to conquer planets even though there were even in Goku's time very few left? Frieza's army has, in many shots, dozens or hundreds of different alien species in his army, so did he just blow up everybody's planet once they were recruited? How many members does Jaco's space cop organization have left?

>>155963578
Humans have been doing it for millenia.

>>155963602
after 3 hours of training no less.

>>155963578

Not really. As a species we have a natural inclination to protect children, even those that aren't ours. It is a species wide survival strategy.

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>>155963602
>tricks count as real fights

>>155963634
And other abhorrent things. It doesn't make it any less unnatural.

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>>155963652

t. Louis C.K.

>>155963634
Im fine with adoption, but it should only be permitted for people who cant have kids. Cucks like that should be bred out of the gene pool.

>>155962988
Since Zeno is going to end the universe, he sees it as a natrual thing

>17 is SSB tier now
>Piccolo still a shit
>Tien who could push back Semi Perfect Cell will most likely be weaker than Cuckllin now
>inb4 17 is stronger than Fem Broly
Somebody kill Toriyama please.

>>155963653
>get tricked and lose in tournament of power
>universe gets erased
A-at least im stronger r-right guys?

>itt toei "chad" cucks defend 17

>>155963695
That all sounds good though.

>>155963671

It is an observable phenomenon, but since you just love your cuck meme, you're just going to deny science because it is funny.

>>155963671
Ugh ... can you go back to /pol/???
As a /co/ crossboarder who only comes to these threads I find it really problematic that you are trying to infect /a/ with your toxic pissbaby opinions

>>155963659
>>155963676
What is wrong with you people?

>>155963697
Uub is canon U7 wins

>>155963735
nice falseflagging

And with this Ranger 17 will no doubt be at least SSR tier as a card.

>>155963756
n-nani?

>>155963676
nice bait bro

>>155963740

You expect something different on 4chan, why?

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Look at this beautiful motherfucker. Monkey niggers literally had to be fuckin' gods to fuck with this.

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>>155963810
>manlet

>>155963652
We protect other people's children in hopes that they protect our children when they get in trouble. People shouldn't just spend their finite resources for free with no exception of a payback.

That's just foolish.

>>155963875
expectation*

17 is the best character

He listens to Goku the whiny deadbeat father manchild then with a straight face and basically says nah fuck off bro.

The absolute Chad

>twins
>different color hair

Justify this.

>>155963923
Products

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Why doesn't Goku just knock 17 out and throw him in the time chamber with 8 other fighters?

>>155963979
Androids can't be KO'ed.

>>155963707
Then you're a sperg who is either that stupid or just gets off on playing le ye olde ebin trolle xD when people don't like stupid inconsistency like Piccolo being fodder when somebody he canonly surpassed a decade ago is suddenly god tier.

>>155963979
Why doesn't Goku just collect the Dragonballs and wish that Zeno will change his mind about destroying the universes.

>>155963875

You're applying a nonnatural explanation to a natural phenomenon. It is observed, especially in females, that a nurturing instinct exists, which promotes the protection of children even if they aren't your own. This is also found in males, though to a slightly lesser extent. The payback is species survival, insofar as children are progeny that grow up and continue the species, and should outlive the adults. As far as a societal issue, sure, you can believe what you want, but I think this latter construct is borne from the natural former instinct.

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I wish to be impregnated by 17.

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>>155963979
only 2 people at the same time can enter the time chamber

also vegeta blew it up

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>>155963837
don't forget nearly everyone is a manlet in dragon ball
even goku and gohan are under 180cm
the only people not manlets are
-piccolo
-king kold/2nd form frieza
-broly
-recoome
-burter
-nappa

>>155960769
gokufags are easily the most sensitive

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Whoa, whoa.. So you're telling me 18 is on THE SAME level as SSG?! Lol whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, Toei, are you fucked in the head right now?? Sorry, but this is complete garbage.

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>sorry goku i'm too busy protecting this island to protect the universe from being destroyed

someone explain

>pedros getting triggered by power levels

Only good thing to come from this episode.

>>155964423
>*17

>>155964264
are u a grill?
pls be in london

>>155962853

>let buu kill kais
>b-but it's clearly shin's fault!