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Dungeon Meshi 33

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>high CHA faggot presents himself
>the three demihumans don't care
>the two humans already blushing
Humans are sluts.
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>>155940011
>three demihumans
???
also serrault's pretty strong
why do you guys think he left the party?
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>>155940459
An oni, and a catgirl and the feathered priest.
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>>155940513
you mean a tengu?
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>>155940513
ooh, I totally forgot about the existence of catgirl
and didn't even see her in the middle-right picture, guess I'm going blind
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>no Marcille
Dropped.
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I wanna kill that faggot. I want to cut his limbs off and turn him into a fuck pillow for the Orcs
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>>155940945
Ninja Neko Girl's stealth stat is so OP, it applies to real life.
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>making another thread
kiss my testicles
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>>155942854
Why did you bump it, genius?
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>dark elf is looking for the king
Then who the fuck is this?
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>>155942926
>>155942813
I thought she already did.
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>cute huge oni
>catgirl from pilot is back
Fuck yessss.
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>>155943031
It's the king who died after escaping the mad sorcerer's grasp, who meant well when he (or she?) bestowed the gift of eternal life to the golden kingdom, but instead cursed them to eternal existence where all its inhabitants became former shadows of themselves and could not pass on.
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>>155943153
And they're both going to end up Laius' harem. Perfect.
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>>155943250
That doesn't seem right. The entire kingdom got swallowed up by the earth and everyone is a ghost or undead.
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>>155943250
No, I think Sorcerer was just yandere and killed everyone and made them into ghosts rather than let them leave.
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>>155943250
>>155943910
>>155943951
Yeah him being Derghal feels a bit weird. She could just have Farlyn spit out the legend, or that is what will happen when Laius gets a word in next time.
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>>155943910
>>155943951
Eh, seems clear to me.
Elf sorcerer sees weak short-lived humans, wants them to live a long life, casts his great magick where death is forever banished from their realm. The first century is awesome for all the humans in the kingdom, because they don't die. Then, a few centuries later, they all find out that just because they don't die doesn't mean that their bodies won't rot away. Also, they all get incredibly bored and wish to die, but the elf sorcerer thinks that the silly humans are being suicidal and sinks the kingdom to protect the humans from themselves, still believing that he's doing the humans a great favor. King Derghal then tries to reason with the elf sorcerer, doesn't manage to convince him, escapes to the surface, where the magic of immortality ceases to apply to him, and he finally dies the true death. But before that happens, he asks the villagers that they free his subjects from the mad sorcerer.

It's your typical tragic tale. Fits very well.
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>>155944474
Fucking elves, man.
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>>155941071
No need to be so mad anon.
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>>155944699
Humans don't know what they really want. But fortunately, their big friend, the great and wonderful sorcerer of Oz knows what is best for them all.
They will have eternal fun, and party forever.
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>>155944707
I don't want anything bad to happen to his party. Just him. He reminds me too much of Griffth.
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>>155940459
Because running back into a dungeon with no supplies, including food, is suicide (They majorly lucked out meeting Senshi). He'd rather take an extra day to go get his allies and go down into the dungeon with a well equipped party rather than die before even reaching the dragon.
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>>155945609
Their whole party is shit though, except for the kobold who's just being taken advantage of by the halfling.
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>>155945698
You're just saying that they're shit because they died once (first time they were just paralyzed).
However, almost everyone in Laius' party died at least once too. Some like Chilchak even died several times.
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>>155945698

Dwarf seems alright and gnome too
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>>155945851
I think by "shit" he means shitty people, not just their skills but their personalities.
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>>155945851
No, I'm calling them shit because they spent a whole chapter going from "Laius' group might not be bad" to "they're terrible people and money grubber" just by talking and warping the truth between themselves to satisfy their own desires. Party leader is a sociopath with a hero complex and the halfling is a hypocritical exploiter.
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>>155945968
But Mick is good boss. Mick gives food. Mick is best friend to Kuro.
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>>155946043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8tE7ZVY7nA
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Is the kobold wearing pants or is that his fur? I cant decide
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>>155945698
>kobold who's just being taken advantage of by the halfling.
This again? The Kobold is getting exactly what he wants.
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>>155946593
Sly attempt at a political discussion on /a/. Disgusting.
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So if we are getting backstory on the samurai, what are the chances he rejoins in the future?

I mean it seems extremely likely the dwarf girl will rejoin
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>>155946716
I doubt some shady random will suddenly be more important to him than his former party he only left to gather stronger people to rescue the girl he's got a crush on.
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>>155946716
Kinda unlikely. Sureau will stay with his new (old) party. But he'll still be a good ally to Laius Thorden.
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>>155946716
Fairly high. Laius's group needs more allies to save Farlyn. More allies = bigger meals. Introducing Sureau's Eastern dream team was the right decision.

Brown God Complex Man & co. can eat the scraps.
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Wait, Im confused
So Laius and his sister kept giving money to their previous companions, but because the companions went into shady work, Laius and his sister are the bad ones?
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>>155946951
Yes.

He thinks that Laius is the secret mastermind behind the island's black market.
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>>155946951
I got lost there as well. But it doesn't maker Kabron is a jackass, sociopath even.
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>>155946934
More allies also means more food is needed. But nothing says that the monsters down below might actually yield a lot of food. Or might not even be edible.
In the worst case, they might be weird things like gargoyles, fire elementals, demons and poisonous slimes.
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>>155946951
Well, this guy isn't very smart, and neither is his party.
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>>155946934
>more food
Banquet chapters ahead.
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>>155947038
Ah, they probably could have worded it more clearly then
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>>155946700
People are literally saying the kobold is being enslaved and exploited and it's just not true. Different fantasy races have different expectations of behavior, which is why Chilchak has a bad rep.
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>>155947057
Kabru's actually very smart. But he's biased, so he comes to a faulty conclusion because he's naturally distrustful.
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>>155940011
>Humans are sluts
Why do you think it's always half-dwarf and half-dragon instead of half-human?
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>>155946951
He thinks that Laius is a scheming mastermind but he was actually getting tricked by the other companions.
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>>155946951
The way Kabron sees it Laius and Farlyn were directly connected to and supporting the black market, he can't even fathom the possibility that they were just being deceived by their former companions.
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>>155947118
That's why the term "wage slave" was coined
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>>155947130
True. We did fuck the neanderthals out of existence so why not fantasy races?
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>>155946951
Kabru has a very warped way of thinking. I could understand if he accused them of falling into the complacency of false kindness by unknowingly funding criminals, but I felt like he was missing way too many important steps to understand why he concretely thought the siblings were bad people knowingly funding the underworld.

>>155947052
This is first and foremost a cooking manga, the intriguing plot is secondary. If I can't eat everyone and everything I encounter, I'm quitting.
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This is why nobody likes paladins.
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>>155947052
>gargoyles
Steam and grind into a paste to make gargoyle mochi.

>fire elementals
Would make for a really spicy spice.

>demons
Too humanoid.

>poisonous slimes
Soak in water to remove toxins and then make them into slime noodles.
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>>155947252
He doesn't seem like a paladin to me. Visually at least. Hes too lightly armored
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>>155947336
Oh I'm not caling him a paladin, but his warped mindset and hero complex is pretty similar.
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>>155947378
Maybe if you got a shit player.
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>>155946951
The japanese raws make it more clear that Kabru was saying that the siblings were involved in the black market by way of their companions, not that they were helping but colluding with them.
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So is there any studio who could do an anime adaption of this justice?
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>>155947336
He's still a novice adventurer who can't afford heavier sets of armor yet.

On the other hand, Laius is starting to become a Lord (the elite class from Wizardry that can wear armor and cast priest spells).
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>>155940011

>High CHA Warrior

it's a shame that unless it's a paladin, that shit never happens.


>>155940459

He realized his waifu is in love with her brother and couldn't take it anymore.
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>>155947443
Sure.
But what matters more is a good director with a competent staff.
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>>155947507
>her brother
You mean Marcille.
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>>155946951

Kabruk is a warrior in a fantasy setting, for instance he is dumb as fuck. Give him so slack.
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>>155947592

the knife-ear has a one sided love, delicious inbreeding brotherly love is stronger than mixed species heretic love.
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>Kabron

Heh.
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>>155946716
I don't see the groups merging before the final fight. They are still up on level 4, can't take the orc passage, and will likely meet the orcs soon when they reach level 5 as the Laius party finds new paths as the dungeon is moving.
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>>155947628
How exactly is he dumb if he deduced practically everything correctly safe for personality?
Keep in mind that he's just thinking that Laius and Farlyn aren't good people. That is all.
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>>155947779
Aren't Laius and company turning back now to restock? They might show up just a second before the other two parties and the orcs start killing each other.
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>>155947915
They mentioned the dungeon layouts changing, so its unlikely they will go back the main path we never got to see. I don't see them going all the way up, and back down.
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>>155944832
>that guy mental gymnastics activate
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I bet it was Donny and Fionil who are the true masterminds behind the dungeon.
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>>155946716
How else will Laius fuck an Oni who shares his tastes?
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>>155948817
I hope she kept the serpent's head even as a trophy. I want to see what Senshi can do with it.
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>>155940011
I'm hoping that the elf (male) will turn Kabron into a dungeon's brown bitch mindbroken fuckhole so he can redeem himself.
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anyone have any links to the previous threads?
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>>155940459
He probably thought Laius' plan was suicide. He knew that he had his retainers as an extremely capable back-up party, so he decided to fetch them first before going in.
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>>155949140
Just use the archive.
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>>155949140
Here you go: >>155893522
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>>155949214
thanks anon
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>>155949313
Next time, check the archives. They're there for a reason, you know.
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>reading old threads
>people are angry that there's actual plot development instead of more cooking
I don't understand.
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>>155949617
It was mostly one faggot that thought the manga was being extended needlessly for shekels, thinking that having Kabru throw a wrench into the works was a bad thing.
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>>155949617
why would you want an original manga about cooking monsters to turn into a generic fantasy adventure?
if I wanted plot development I'd watch game of thrones or some shit.
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>>155949841
You can't rely on a gimmick like that to go on forever. Manga that end up like that become bland and boring.

DM's segue into deeper plot points as the ins and outs of the world opened up naturally over time felt very smooth, and I like that it's now paved the way for full on intrigue.

Now here's the question of the day: do you guys think monster hunter Laius could fight pvp spec Kabru on even terms? I'm worried.
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>>155950032
>You can't rely on a gimmick like that to go on forever
tell that to detective conan
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>>155950032
I'm pretty sure Kabru is ultimately a better martial artist than Laius. In a one-on-one fight, Laius would get destroooyed.
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>>155950271
Do people still like that?

>>155950310
What do you think is going to happen in the inevitable clash? Will Kabru get the upper hand over Laius just as they get attacked by monsters?
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>>155949617
It's always the fags that use the term "comfy" seriously that whine whenever an author wants the plot to go somewhere.
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>>155950478
I spout that shit all the time too, but the transition into a more serious plot here feels completely natural.
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>>155950478
The dumbest thing is that this manga had a serious main plot point from the fucking beginning
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Why kabru is even in a dungeon when he sucks so muchat killing monsters.
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>>155949617
It's like they forgot it started with the sister being eaten alive.
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Apparently if you write "Kabru" in arabic it'll use the same K-B-R scripts similar to other words that signifies greatness (e.g "akbar" = "the great")

No wonder he's pretty megalomaniac desu, it's literally written on his name
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>>155950862
I wonder if it's intentional and author did her research.
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>>155949617
I didn't expect these guys to be an actual significant part of the plot at first, it seemed like they were just gonna be some side-chapter fodder that always gets killed and is always chasing the main party but just misses them.
Now it certainly seems like they're gonna clash at some point, that'll be interesting to see.
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>>155947592
>>155947701
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>>155950708
It's obvious that the mangaka is really into world-building, the bonus chapters have a lot to say about the characters and the races. The whole manga has been so good that I can't understand people wanting to backseat-author.

>>155949841
>generic fantasy adventure
Sure it borrows from DnD for the lore but the personalities + story is anything but generic. You're thinking of chuuni isekai shit.
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>>155951642
Crusaders in a nutshell.
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>>155949617
I think people just don't want the focus to be off the main party too much. We just got 2 chapters back to back.
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>>155941071
c-calm down there anon
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>>155946716
Sureau's party will get murdered in their sleep next chapter by Cabron the murder hobo who rationalizes his decision on the idea that adventurers who want to get their dick wet have no place conquering the dungeon.
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Technically we've known the family name of Laius and Farlyn since chapter 26.
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>>155951994
>Those anon's calling Kabru, Kabron.

You're all good people.
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I wonder if the author hasn't prepared a story ahead of time. I remember in the beginning Farlyn being eaten was a small thing for them to care about but as the story went on they treated it much more seriously.
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>>155952437
It seems she came up with a lot of this stuff after the fact, else I'm sure she would have set up Sureau a lot more ahead of time.
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>>155951843
Fuck. Something about that expression gets me rock hard. Can I get a tag or hint for the source?
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>>155952757
Just ask for a source, man. I mean, it's a crop, not a full page.
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The thing with the dungeon is that in order to convince yourself you are worthy of conquering it and inheriting the sunken kingdom, it means you need to believe you deserve it more than everyone else. Kabru is thinking logically. If he's the one who is the most worthy then he needs to find a reason why everyone else is corrupted. He has no reason to look on the bright side of people, the moral of his party and therefore the success of his expedition depends on doing the opposite. Laius and his party are braving the dungeon but they aren't looking for treasures or glory, which is why they are pure.
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>>155952757
dark skin, blindfold, shotacon

artist is minemura
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>>155951994
>Laius and Farlyn are the children of a village chief
>Marcille is a prodigy of the mage school and wielder of ancient and forbidden arts
>Chilchak is either a higher up in the thieves guild, or just a very outspoken spokesman
>Namari's father is "the merchant of arms"
>Sureau is some nobility from the land of the rising sun

>Senshi still won't talk about his past
Fuck he's going to turn out to be some Dwarven lord isn't he?
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>>155951169
Not that guy, I have no problem with generic, and I love Dungeon Meshi and the current developments, but the characters and story are pretty generic for a fantasy adventuring party.

Laius is a human fighter guy who leads the team but has no outstanding specializations, Marcille is an elf wizard who's academically inclined and adventuring for her craft, Chililack is a halfling rogue in for the job that grows from aloof into a sentimental team player. Farlyn, Soryu and Namari are pretty standard archetypes too.

Senshi's the one that's really far off from his stereotype and really, him and his influence on the story is what changes things up so much.

Dungeon Meshi's all about amazing execution, generic is fine really.
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>>155953295
>Dungeon Meshi's all about amazing execution, generic is fine really.
I agree. You could say the same about Helck.
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I'm starting to suspect Marcille might be working with or related to the elves that wish to reclaim the dungeon.

>>155952997
That takes the fun out of searching for it. I'll usually end up with a window of nice finds before I get to it.

>>155953115
Thanks.
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>>155953211
>mithril and adamantine heirlooms
dude is probably the last of a long line of royalty
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>>155953618
>I'll usually end up with a window of nice finds before I get to it.
Huh, I hadn't thought of that.
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>>155953295
All of the characters are somewhat deviant from the norm, and that's part of what makes this all so charming.

Laius seems like the standard happy-go-lucky adventurer/warrior, but the dude has a monster fetish that creepseven his other party members out a bit, and is perhaps a bit unhealthily attached to his sister. Can't blame him for that, though. She's adorable.

Marsille seems like a typical academic, yes, but we and the other party members only recently learned that her specialty was in the dark arts. She's expressed a desire in dungeon engineering. Did you see how deranged she looked in the fight against the sorcerer? There's a dark path open to her.

Chilchak is probably the most normal of the group, but you need someone like him to act as a foil to all the weird.
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>>155953211
They all have flaws. Chilchak is known for being all about business and stingy about money and procedures. He admitted himself he doesn't trust people unless money is involved. Namari is the daughter of a dumb smelly dwarf who ruined race relations for everybody. Farlyn and Laius may be the children of a local leader but living in a village full of dumb superstitious villagers and then developing spooky powers is not entirely a good situation. It explains why they left home behind and aren't in any hurry to come back. As for Sureau his character flaw is to be a waifufag, the worst affliction known to man.
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>>155953211
>>155953621
Senshi briefly mentions working in a mine. It doesn't sounds very dwarf lord-ish.
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>>155954265
maybe this is one of those universes where literally every dwarf mines at some point, or the dude himself has never known

all speculation at this point so w/e
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>>155954265
There's an earlier chapter where he mentions how his coworkers didn't like him because he was shit at mining wasn't there?
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>Kabru is now called Kabron
I'm totally okay with this.
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>>155947118
>Chilchak has a bad rep
I believe you misunderstood.
Chilchak didn't have a bad rep, rather the shady halfling had a bad opinion of him for disproving of shady behaviour and trying to get halflings to organise and break from stereotypes of shady manipulative thieves like the dog-slaver.

Rather than admit that they were a shady greedy shit the halfling just projected that chilchak must really be the greedy one and no better and just pretends to be principled.
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>>155954813
I admit that the halfling from Kabru's party is a biased observator. However we have seen some glimpses of Chilchak that confirm he does have a behavior towards money that can be perceived as controversial by others. Marcille was also outraged when Chilchak said he was only helping them to get paid. He then said through advice that he doesn't trust people and expects everything to be about money. It's a good attitude for business but it doesn't make you popular at parties.
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>>155955290
I actually saw that as him trusting Laius and the rest of his party because he was honest and was willing to foot the bill without any bullshit, he is actuallydistrustful of people who only have their word on it, the way he talked and how this chapter painted Kabru and his party it looks like he was talking about people like him

Hell Chicalk really likes everyone in his party, look how desperate he was for their safety in the last few chapters
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>>155955516
Chilchak is a nice lad
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>>155955574
He really is, he tries to be aloof but fails spetacularly at it
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>>155955290
He's stingy but seems to follow a code of ethics, thus his presence on the adventure at all.
>Marcille was also outraged when Chilchak said he was only helping them to get paid
But he wasn't getting paid to help them, there was no promise of any pay on this potentially life-threatening adventure, rather he counted it as an extension of the previous adventure which he was pre-paid for and felt duty bound to complete.

The only "greediness" the other halfling even referenced was him trying to get people to sign up through the guild to help avoid the kind of corruption and black market shit that kabru's whole stupid crusade is about.

Chilchak obviously just uses the whole "i-it's just for the money and my duty d-dummmy" shit to keep people at arms-length from personal issues but it seems like he may actually be respected and that is precisely why the other halfling hates him.

It's pure projecting and crabs in a bucket, "that fuckin nigga actin like he's better than me, he ain't shit, he's just as bad as me or even worse but just puts on airs to make us halflings who steal and manipulate look bad!"
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>>155955746
Also, thinking more;
Laius' party mentioned the rarity and value of a kobold companion and wished that they could get one, while the halfling implied to the kobold that the guilds wouldn't accept him.

It's pretty obvious that he's a shady shit who works outside the law and is lying so he can take advantage of the kobold, I mean he even pulled the stupid anime "evil smug" face and their own companion outright stated it and another only seemed to object of grounds of it being impolite to accuse.

I honestly can't really understand why anyone is defending the other halfling besides baiting/shitposting.
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>>155955989
dude I think we've crossed the point of reading too deeply into this
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>>155956055
What he said makes a lot of sense and I wouldn't put it past the author to have thought about it back then.
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>>155956055
It's not reading deeply, the manga is really blatant about it.
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>>155950032
Does Kabron really suck ass when fighting monster?
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>>155956137
Some people are theorising that he's specialised in anti-humanoid combat but it's all speculation at this point.
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>>155950032
probably Kabron will kick his ass at first, but remember that Laius' sword isn't ordinary one
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Our guys successfully wrecked a dragon and lived through a subsequent dark mage encounter without any great losses, all done with only 4 members.

Meanwhile the shitskin gets wrecked by the jobbest of trash mobs.

Main party would push their shit in 10 times out of 10
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>>155956403
CHA's power is not who you can beat in a fight, it's who you can convince to turn on your enemies.
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>>155956279
what about Kabron's party's 'THAT'?
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>>155956137
>>155956174
We just watched him take down 3-5 fully armed humans on his own in a matter of seconds. He mentions thinking that it's so simple to take down humanoids because their vital points are all in the same basic locations, while with monsters, for him it's all a crapshoot.

I think it's less that he's a bad fighter and more that he has a general lack of knowledge when it comes to fighting monsters.

>>155956403
Starting to doubt that. We've never seen Lauis and co. square off against another party, while Kabron can murder easily on a whim. It seems that they do pack some heavy hitters, but their inexperience with monsters is preventing things from working out. Lynnsha is apparently powerful enough to turn everyone else in the party into ash.
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>>155945622
Laius had a cookbook, so they'd probably still eat, even if their meals were a more standard affair without Senshi.

They would have certainly died without him after running across the Orcs though. I can't recall off the top of my head all the other times Senshi saved their goddamn asses.
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>>155956459
wait, what?
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>>155953211
Meanwhile, at scrub party:
>farm boy become knight for muh revenge
>"""""mage""" who went to a """""mage school"""
>halfling jew who can't even afford the entrance fee to join the guild where Chilchack's at.
Really makes you think.
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>>155956055
People were saying that Farlyne closing one eye and holding her throat was just a coincidence and connecting it to the dragon was reading into it too deeply, look how that turned out
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>>155956833
the more the manga focuses on the other party the less I like them.
After the current chapter, I have no sympathy left for them
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>>155956916
I was one of those people but I really think we're judging Kabron's party a bit too harshly
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>>155946951

These,
>>155947038
>>155947140
>>155947146
>>155947440

More importantly, despite Cabron's profession that only a selfless, honest, person should take control of the dungeon he himself quite clearly does not believe ANYBODY is selfless.

His problem isn't so much he couldn't imagine Laius and Farlyn being tricked, it's more that he couldn't imagine anybody giving away their hard earned money so easily like that. He thinks Laius and his sister are carefully creating a kind public facade.

Which is kind of important, because Cabron makes the same claims about his own intentions. The guy is definitely Neutral Evil or Lawful Evil, and hates the siblings because he thinks they're playing the same game he is.
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>>155953211
>or just a very outspoken spokesman

Probably just this. Chilchak's whole development is that he doesn't trust people easily, only his contracts and money, and a guild would offer some sort of protection and insurance on contracts signed through them. So it would make sense that he's very outspoken towards the guild considering how important contracts are to him.
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>>155957036
He might just be really underestimating how dumb they are, and that's all.
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>>155957079
He's just projecting really hard. He's a piece of shit and doesn't understand how other people might not be.
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>>155956795
He's talking about pic related

>>155956936
>>155956978
It's like watching veterans slay and eat everything that moves, then suddenly the PoV shifted to scrubs that gets slain and eaten by everything that moves. It's like scrub horizon all over again, just a little bit better.
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>>155957079
No, there's a legit argument to be made against the sibling's fitness to inherit the dungeon if he thought they were just stupid but thought they were doing the right thing, but Kabru didn't use it. Kabru explicitly thinks they're villains hiding their true natures and the only reason they'd give those men money was because they were up to something, which speaks volumes about Kabru's character.
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>>155956978
It'll be interesting when they learn of dragon imouto and go "kill the abomination"
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>>155956795
>>155957169
Is he holding an elemental spirit perhaps?
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>>155955629
the author seems to make him act much sweeter on the beginning of the manga though
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>>155954265
I wish Laius had told Senshi here why fire is such a seriously bad idea around the guts of a dragon.

That the thing essentially carries huge sacks of nitroglycerin.
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>>155957228
no, please
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>>155957328
You know it's gonna happen
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>>155957228
>>155957328
I'm more worried that they might go deeper into the Dungeon, into the city proper and that they might clash with the orc chief's imouto warparty
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>>155953618
>I'm starting to suspect Marcille might be working with or related to the elves that wish to reclaim the dungeon.

Really? Was it the fact she has a very specialized expertise in a field of magic forbidden to learn but that the elvish elite is apparently very interested in understanding?

Even her occasional comments of her background reek of an upper crust upbringing. She's definitely not adventuring because she needs the money, which implies she's there only because of her interest in the dungeon's forbidden magicks.

Whcih is exactly what the Elvish nation is angling on.
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>>155940011
I hope the next chapter won't be about some random schmucks. That shit ruined the overlord manga for me.
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>>155953897
>As for Sureau his character flaw is to be a waifufag, the worst affliction known to man.

I'll fight you.

Also, who here thinks Farlyn will be the one to claim the dungeon? She's apparently a half dragon cleric prodigy now, whoss skills even Marcille gushes over.

And that was before she got the serious power boost after her impromptu ressurection.
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>>155957615
If you can't handle lizardmen arc, you might as well put it on hold. First half of the capital arc is one of the weakest parts in overlord.
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>>155957615
>>155957689
overlord isn't nearly as good overall

>>155957619
she's certainly got a lot of "chosen one" traits, but the manga has pushed the theme of eat or be eaten quite strongly.

Farlyn was eaten, and though she was temporarily brought back, she had already lost, and I'm genuinely afraid that she's gone forever.

>>155957391
shut up
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>>155957619
I concur
>>155957748
Farlynn got a second chance, but so long as dark elf is still alive it'll be impossible
also, I'm more worried about the wizard and whether he might've given Farlynn a new "form" to carry out her duties...
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>>155957079
The point I was making was this more or less:
>>155957207

What Kabron finds so unrealistic about the exchange is that he thinks nobody would give a free bag of gold to someone else.

Not that they couldn't be naive enough to not realize they were being cheated.

He probably does believe people can be dumbasses, but doesn't think anybody is capable of a selfless action.
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>>155957689
It's not like I can't handle it, but I consider it to be trash-tier filler
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>>155957228
Don't hurt the dragon imouto!
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>>155958013
>Farlyn has pointier ears than the fucking Elf

God, Marcille needs to put those chubby things on a goddamn diet. She should be ashamed.
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The other party pov is pretty useful for the story since its really difficult to show the main party just suck at something when the plot demands they win everything and continue the story.

Meanwhile party #2 can fuck up all they can and it only adds to the enjoyment since you get the feeling the party #1 is special in their accomplishments.
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>>155958159
A lot of times Laius' party seemed to fail to success.

Like killing a dragon? Why not let yourself be eaten by it and then stab it in the vitals while it's chewing on you?
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>>155958217
That was the absolute coolest thing in this manga ever and forever.
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>>155958121
It's not like she can work out her god damn ears, is it? Leave her alone, my ears are perfectly cute.
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>>155958419
other elves appearantly can move their ears so a bit of exercise in that department could work wonders for her too
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>>155958518
>fries french
Wow racist much?
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>>155956936
I still like the doggo. I hope he survives to realize what a shitheel Kabron is.
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>>155958839
They just established the dogs character is being retarded like a young child who's being exploited without due compensation.
If anything he'll die first.
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>>155958217
That is a horrible idea
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>>155958839
Despite being a humanoid he's almost as intelligent as an actual dog
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>>155958419
Try wiggling your ears more, Marcille.
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>>155958889
i don't want to know in what other way the poor dog gets exploited
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>>155958518
who the hell fries french?
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>>155959034
Having him knot some females isnt exploiting, its a benefit.
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So basically, this is all a misunderstanding that will probably result in violence because the shithead leader can't accept that there are legitimately good people in the world?
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Brown boy needs to fall in a deep well, what the fuck is his problem?
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>>155959093
Exactly.
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>>155959093

Unless theyre generic chaotic evil theres no better motivation for them to follow Laius party other than a revenge due to misunderstanding.
The conspiracy theories are just sprinkles on top, not the ice cream.
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>>155956916
Bullshit, I remember thoses threads, people were saying that the dragon's soul fused into her or some shit and that she was going to attack the party later.

In the end her eye and throat were fine and while the sorcerer used the power he had over the dragon's flesh to control her there's clearly no business with her mind and the dragon's mind being fused together.
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>>155959464
>In the end her eye and throat were fine
Well duh, people were saying she was checking her throat because she was remembering what the dragon did.
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I sure wonder what will happen when Serrault/Sureau + Kabron's Party inevitably meets up with Laius' party

It seems to be setting up an inevitable confrontation if anything. Though, its highly likely that in such a case, samurai guy will side with Laius' party

I dont think Kabron's party will stand a chance in that case
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Why all the talk about Lauis and Farlyn inheriting the dungeon? I thought Laius just wants to save his sister?
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>>155957619
Makes sense. Farlyn defended dungeon creatures from Marcille before as well, so she also has an understanding of how the ecosystem in there works and how to manage it.
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>>155959559
And in the following 2 chapters that never came up, so that's bullshit.

She opened the other eye soon after so if the author wanted to make a point she would've drawn more focus to it.
Obviously she was going to hold her throat when it was filled with blood.
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>>155959034
why are halflings such jews
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>>155959611
Remember that before the whole incident with Farlyn getting eaten, Laius' party is still one of the many adventuring parties who went down the dungeon for a reason, which is very likely the whole inheritance thing

Though, in their case, I find it pretty likely that they are just curious about it
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>>155959678
bigearedmanrubbinghishandssmiling.jpg
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>>155959678
If they're bad with magic AND fighting, all they can do easily is jobs related to trade/money.
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what;s this about
I saw several 1000+ threads on futaba
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>>155959611
Farlyn went away with the supposed dungeon master and is at least partially under their control, so at some point Laius' party will end up having to go against the dungeon master to get Farlyn back.
If they defeat the dungeon master, surely someone will have to inherit the title.
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>>155959608
>samurai guy will side with Laius' party
They turned Farlyn's corpse into a dragon with forbidden voodoo and now she's one of the sorcerer's slaves. Brown boy will goad samurai into killing Laius or something.
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>>155959824
Moe things in a dnd setting plus cooking, altho cooking was dropped later.
The author is Really good at drawing cute.
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>>155959678
How long until Laius goes nuclear? He's already been reprimanded by his party for his desire to taste humanoid flesh.
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>>155959897
>cooking was dropped later.
*put on hold for later
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>>155959824
Adventurers want to descend into dungeon but doesn't have enough money for rations, and ended up eating whatever they find in the dungeon instead.
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>>155959731
Chilchack isn´t bad, just remember that time when he took the dragon´s eye.
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>>155960028
Im annoyed how some millenia old dragon never ever lost an eye when someone with the arm strenght of a 10y old could pucture it from 30m away with a hazardly thrown kitchen knife thats spinning.
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>>155959867
If something they extended her life time, seeing how late the samurai guy is his party wouldn´t have even found Farlyn´s corpse, it would be ashes by the time they got here and Farlyn would have died without any chances of saving her.
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>>155960078
It was Senshi´s knife anon, you know, the one made with a super rare metal that can pierce thought dragon´s scales.
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>>155960078
>kitchen knife
wasnt the knife made from mithril or something?
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>>155960088
If Farlyn was just dead it wouldn't be such a big deal, they'd all sit down and apologise to each other for being such failures. But Farlyn has been resurrected as a monster servant and that's gonna look bad.
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>>155950032
Laius when not distracted with something else, is still plenty strong. Tough he is most definitely focus his experience in dealing with monsters.
MurderHobo Kabru might have more experience in humanoid vs humanoid combat.

Just to note, Our point of view on Laius is from his party which considered high ranking party, from
>Top of magic school class and Ancient magic using marcie,
>to gifted casually using high level spell healer faryln,
>to capable and turns out to be influential chilchak,
>to highly capable fighter that immediately hired by influential gnome, Namari
>to shown to be deadly Sureau.

Compared to "died somany times out of sheer lack awareness and knowledge of know how to deal with stuff in dungeon", Kabru party.
If Laius party have no compunction to kill another humanoid party for some reason, the fight might be more one sided with Laius party trouncing kabru party..
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>>155960137
Nevermind its clearly a magic knife that magically changes momentum from a spin to straight forward because its a magical dungeon in a magic world.
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>>155959464
The dragon is a dumb drute, literally meant to only serve the sorcerer.

They did merge, it's why Farlyn responds to the sorcerer and the sorcerer recognizes her. Just the dragon has no discernable personality of its own beyond subservience.
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>>155960547
what, you needed more panels devoted to the trajectory of the knife? this ain't no one punch man
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>>155953897

Chilchak is pretty funny and makes me wonder if the author knows any lawyers. Chilchak's moral code is pretty similar to many laywers' you see. He honors contracts and he never accepts anything for "free" because he understands that nothing is really free. Instead he puts everything in clear terms and with the money on the table, which makes him extremely honest.

He also understands the importance of the guild and wants the halflings to be properly unionized so they can't be mistreated.

He's actually the most Lawfully good out of the Thorden party (pretty ironic considering that he's a thief).
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>>155951642
Member of his party is pretty much openly manipulate a Kobold to follow their bidding and they are ok with it.
Not to mention that said member is opposing the efforts on making halflings more organized and less shady because "Fuck that,cause it means less money for me".

And this party somehow thinks they are the most holy group there... They are bunch of Neutral Evil that somehow thinks that they are Lawful Good.

>Crusaders in a nutshell.
yup. bigtime
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>>155960651
Has he actually ever stolen anything?

Chilchack is closer to being the party's scout and navigator if anything, which is different
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>>155960612
Yeah they clearly skipped the panels where chillack missed the knife, it dropped off a cliff, the dragon frantically went after it while it lost its initial spinning motion and went into a freewall, then the dragon flew under it, let it drop into its eye, flew back up to the exact same spot where everyone was waiting for it and started screaming in pain.
That explains everything.
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>>155960687
Looting dungeons isn't stealing so I doubt it.
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>>155950661
Because he thinks is a "right" things to do and It seems his family might be killed by monster that flow out from dungeon.

It revenge and following he righteous grandeur.
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Chilchak best character.
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>>155954522
He is a royalty that never dirty his finger mining.
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>>155960687
they kind of stole from Senshi's treasure chest when he was still offering vegetables to passerbys.
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>>155957236
Considering the statement it seems so.

Spirit here have tendency to gather and gain somesort of sentience with hive/group think.
Hence the fear of it to get polluted with other spirit

But then, it means he enslave spirit somehow. We haven't seen those here and the other gnome pretty much treat spirit like a lesser deity.
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>>155960700
You're a special kind of retard, have a (you).
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>>155960700
Anon, what the fuck are you on about
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>>155960700
Uh.
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>>155947378
>Oh I'm not caling him a paladin, but his warped mindset and hero complex is pretty similar.
CE babby got BTFo again? Boo-hoo.
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>>155960761
They thought it was part of the dungeon treasure.
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>>155960825
How else do you explain the knife going from spinning motion to straight forward motion mid air?
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You know, Cabron and his party think that Laius' party are dirty thieves for stealing their 'treasure'(bugs), here I am wondering what a funny moment will it be once they are confronted and Senshi or somebody tries to explain that those are treasure bugs, not treasure, and are what caused their paralysis

I doubt jerkass brown guy will buy it but hey
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>>155945698
>kobold who's just being taken advantage of by the halfling.
Kobold is a sub and the halfling is his dominatrix.
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>>155960875
Autism.
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>>155957236
>>155960802
I was thinking it was a golem, maybe.

>>155960875
have you ever seen the effects of a knife throw, ever
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>>155960875
>straight forward motion
the fuck are you on about nigga, it never changed trajectory, it just landed there point-first
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>>155960700
>>155960855
What the fuck are these posts? Did you guys forget to take your pills?
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>>155960687
Apparently he is trying to organize the Halflings and make them less shady by making them faithful member of a guild.
Not to mention Chilchak himself is pretty faithful to his contract. Payed upfront and he will see it through, even it means he had to go to the dungeon with no supplies what so ever.

Of course then we see a halfling that bitch "that means less money for me, fuck that"
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>>155960898
I need doujins. Now
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>>155960855
why did you quote his entire post
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>>155960916
that is possible, he might carry golem core that can be inserted into a elemental mold (soil, water what have you) that will allows him to order the spirit
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>>155961013
>>>/pol/

Why did Dungeon Meshi get filled with crossboarders?
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>/tg/
DM threads were started by crossboarders
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>>155960932
Isnt different POVs beautiful?

Halfling in their party thinks that Chilchak is just a greedy money grubber, like all the other halflings when she fits the in-universe halfling stereotype better
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>>155961030
for a niche manga, it sure branches out into into many groups interests
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>>155961013
if you think he's talking about real life crusaders you lurk more, newfag
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>>155960875
What the fuck are you talking about you fucking retard? Are you actually this stupid?
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>>155960923
>it never changed trajectory,
It penetrated in a way only possible if it was never spinning to begin with. Hope this image illustrates the problem better.
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>all of a sudden 20 retarded/shitty posts are made in quick succession
This is hilarious.
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>>155954813
>shady, manipulative shotas and lolis
Whew. Better get a cold shower.
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>>155960890
Most likely that Laius' party already forgot the whole thing, causing some initial confusion at first. Then just when Kabron is about to accept the treasure bugs explanation, he finds out that Laius is friends with the orcs.
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>>155961080
oh my god, it's a real autist
abandon thread
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>>155961080
I'm confused, are you guys seriously debating whether or not Chilchack threw the knufe?

You guys have to be trolling.
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>>155961080
This is amazing in a bad way.
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>>155961080
You see how the cut is clearly LARGER than the knife? That's because when the knife arrived it wasn't perfectly straight, thus providing a wider cutting surface, and it then ROTATED into its final position, lodged in the eye.
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>>155961124
He's arguing why the knife changed from a spinning motion to what appears to be a straight line motion. Personally, I think it's just just a couple of misplaced speedlines.
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>>155961177
>a couple of misplaced speedlines.
kek, that makes sense
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>>155961177
What kind of manga artist places speed lines for rotational movement. It's obviously for the translational movement
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>>155961080
I'm genuinely curious; what do you think happens when a spinning knife hits something?
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>>155961177
I don't care what the speed lines or what not show.

One panel shows Chilchack throwing the knife at the dragon's eye, the very next shows the knife sinking into the dragon's eye.

The author's intent is so blindingly obvious it would be blatantly retarded to argue otherwise.
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>>155940011
They are Kunoichi... Prostitute-ninjas.
They get men to let their guard down to shank them.
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>>155961177
Could be the speedlines are unintentional.
Theyre often made by assistants arent they?
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>>155961231
Most often it doesnt hit blade first and just bounces off harmlessly.
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>>155959647
Foreshadowing doesn't have to be in your face or continuous. Especially with what happened it's clear in hindsight that the author was leaving a hint.
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>>155961242
Something like this.
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this is some severe autism
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>>155961278
Im willing to change my opinion from the missing panels theory to misplaced speedlines theory.
Now I can sleep easy.
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>>155961329
>Now I can sleep easy.
Every day I give thanks I wasn't born with autism.
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>>155954265
I remember the tolkein vein of dwarven lords were all very hands on. It's not hard for me to also believe that dwarves in this world operate on similar standards.
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>>155961329
when you're up at night watch some knife throwing techniques, preferably the ones with spin
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>>155961080
this nigger serious?
people throw knives with spin all the time, just search knife throwing on youtube.

>>155961213
>>155961244
the knife is moving way faster than it's spinning, at point of contact the spin is almost negligible compared to the forward momentum driving the knife into the target.

>>155961231
knives specifically designed for throwing are either thrown without spin or have a high chance of hitting blade first. normal knives where blade length is similar to handle length, 50 50 chance of a bounce for an untrained user. don't know the chances for a experienced knife thrower, or if they can avoid bounces entirely.
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>>155944832
Getting griffith vibes from this dipshit
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>>155961329
They're not even speedlines you actual retarded nigger.

The lines are all around the frame pointing inwards to accentuate whatever is happening. Two unfortunate ones happened to line up with the hilt, but this is no excuse to misunderstand because it's so fucking obvious what was intended. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and neck yourself.
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>>155961329
The speedlines weren't misplaced though.
They just represent the translational trajectory, not rotational. Who the fuck draws rotational speedlines
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>>155959608
>Though, its highly likely that in such a case, samurai guy will side with Laius' party
Farlyn's dead and Sureau will flip out. Cabron will manipulate him that way to defeat Laiu's party as soon as he realizes he can't beat them with his usual sucker punches and surprise attacks.

I'll stay with Neutral Evil for Cabron. I also love how we call him Cabron.
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>>155961375
Lindybeige reminds us throwing knives arent used in war because they're shit at killing people.'
Just throw a rock instead.
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>>155961265
Reminder that she dies.
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>Faggots discussing about how a rotating knife can be embedded straight into a dragon's eye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnnVCCAiPYc

Fucking here! Literally the first video when I searched up throwing knife videos. You can clearly see the knife rotating mid-flight and embedding themselves point-first into the wood. Fuck all of you.
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>>155961426
Well look, Cabron means like motherfucker, coward, bastard and cuckold among others

While hes not a cuckold(yet) and is probably not a coward, it accurately conveys how we want to punch him in the face
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>>155961468
I-I know. ;_; At least she comes back momentarily as a spirit to help Kanami.
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>>155960651
>Chilchak is pretty funny and makes me wonder if the author knows any lawyers. Chilchak's moral code is pretty similar to many laywers' you see. He honors contracts and he never accepts anything for "free" because he understands that nothing is really free. Instead he puts everything in clear terms and with the money on the table, which makes him extremely honest.
I should stop hanging out on sadpanda because that gave me some naughty thoughts.
>"Don't worry Chilchak, the food is for free."
>"NO! There is no such thing as a free lunch."
>"W-why are you undressing?"
>"Isn't it obvious? I'm gonna pay you with my body, you disgusting human!"
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>>155961470
There's one retard and everyone else was laughing at him.

Go back to rebbit. You're just as retarded as the other nigger.
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>>155961470
kek
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>>155961420
>>155961422
I call them speedlines for convenience's sake, but what are their actual names then? Radial lines?
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>>155961502
>>"Isn't it obvious? I'm gonna pay you with my body, you disgusting human!"
See humans are gullible enough to give a free lunch. It's the Gnomes you have to watch.
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>>155961520
focus lines iirc
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>>155961576
Thanks anon
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Wait, is Mick a girl or a boy? Fucking androgynous shota/loli/whatever halfling shits.
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>>155961615
yes
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>>155961470
They're throwing cooking knives with 1 flat sharp edge with no piercing tip.
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I dunno, he doesn't sound like a fighter sometimes. What the hell is up with this? It's Cabron's hobby to spy on people and make shit up about them? The fuck?
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What is a "Gold Stripping Group" that the siblings worked with? Is it some sort of shady activity?
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>>155961668
I dunno, Laius is clearly a fighter meanwhile and has the equally weird hobby of being extremely well-versed on monster lore and thinking what would they taste like
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>>155961080
You are simutaneously too autistic, and not autistic enough.
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>>155961668
Maybe he has mild autism.
He reminds me of Thoorin if anyones heard of him.
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>>155961688
Ever heard of Gold-/Magic Find characters in Diablo 2? I guess it's something like that. Or, wait, wasn't there talk about low level adventurers just stripping to gold and valuables off the dunegon walls in the first levels? Somewhere in the first chapters?
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>>155961688

Chapter 6.
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>>155961688
it was the group that got rekt by the living armors in the flashback
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>>155961502
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>>155961695
Man, Monster knowledge as a skill isn't really that far out of a fighter. You could say a fighter actually needs it.
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>Reread the latest chapters that feature the main party
>They are heading back to the surface for restocking

Suddenly I am reminded that a confrontation is getting even more inevitable at this rate

>>155961688
>>155961719
I think its closer to a mining operation really

Of course, in this universe, its probably also likely there are monsters in the mines so thats where adventurers come in
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>>155961717
>Maybe he has mild autism.
A high CHA character who lives off sucker punching people and manipulating his party?
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>>155961659
>no piercing tip.
If you've used a kitchen knife, especially one that looks like a Santoku variety, you'd know that they have a piercing tip.

Not that it matters if it's rotating with the sharp edge impacting on the surface that it penetrates.
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>>155961659
if you're good enough at knife throwing you can control the spin enough to rotate the knife to a specific angle by the time it reaches the target. it's exponentially harder when the target is moving and you don't have much time to judge distance but were talking about a professional halfing rouge
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>>155961731
The author still remembers that shit? Nice.
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>>155961743
Knowing shit about monsters physiology and habits is basic part of a monster hunters training. Like in the Witcher series
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Mick or Chilchak?
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>>155961080
Chilchack had his legs bent.
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>>155961880

Chilchack by far.
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>>155961880
Both of them hatefucking each other
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>>155961947
>heh heh heh
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>>155961695
How good is Laius at fighting, anyway? He spends more time thinking about what everyone's flesh tastes like than he does swinging a sword. He's probably the most multi-classing party member even compared to Senshi.
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So, how is it possible for Chilchack to be old for a halfling(called an old geezer by another halfling and is offended when people thought he was younger than them)

And yet seems like he didnt know about 'stamens and pistils'?

That or his horrified reaction to Senshi telling him all that is him not wanting to listen to it all over again
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>>155962144
Teens think everyone over 30 have one foot in the grave.
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>>155962144
He knew about the birds and the bees.
He was just grossed out by hearing it from the mouth of a gruff dwarf.
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>>155949617
exposition is nice and all but when it comes from the characters that you despise the whole thing has a very sour energy about it. It also doesn't help that these shitheads take up chapters two months in a row.
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>>155962144
>That or his horrified reaction to Senshi telling him all that is him not wanting to listen to it all over again
It was literally this.
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>>155961477
Fits perfectly.
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>>155962141
Pretty good

>He spends more time thinking about what everyone's flesh tastes like than he does swinging a sword
Well considering he need to fight and kill them first, he's pretty tough
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>>155962144
His horrified reaction was as a grown man some other adult trying to give him "the talk".
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>>155962144
>That or his horrified reaction to Senshi telling him all that is him not wanting to listen to it all over again
Jesus, I thought the joke was pretty obvious. Senshi thought he was just a little kid and wanted to give him The Talk.
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>>155962141

He seems proficient, if somewhat unorthodox.

You can't fault him for dedication or sheer willpower though, dude intentionally shoved his leg into a dragons maw in order to get a shot at killing it.
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>>155961378
>knives specifically designed for throwing are either thrown without spin or have a high chance of hitting blade first

See if i was fantasy writer/artist i wouldn't care for that shit and just do something that i've seen in movies. I would probably do the same if it was /k/ manga. It's all about the drama, making a research for such small things wouldn't even come into my mind.
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>>155962141
He killed a fucking dragon. The legends won't care about his actual fighting ability.
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>>155961731
>Party leader is the guy Laius and his sister gave the bag of gold to
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>>155962514

I found it kind of weird to hear that Namari has apparently killed dragons too, I wonder how prevalent they are outside of dungeons?
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Newbie Laius is cute with his leather armour.

Plate never made sense to me anyway, 99% of adventuring is walking around. Unless you're preparing for imminent battle. plate is going to be a liability.
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>>155962534
Prevalent enough that there are dragon hunting expeditions.
In the dungeon, there's most likely a bunch of smaller dragons in addition to the big red dragon that the Thorden party managed to slay.
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>>155962514
>>155962534
Judging by the first chapter, and how nonchalant Laius was initially in the fight against the dragon, this battle wasn't his teams first rodeo with a dragon either.
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>>155962566
It's a dungeon where there could be a trap or a monster or an ambush behind every corner. Having a good armor really helps when you're in a superdangerous situation.
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>>155962566
>Not doing daily activities in Plate incase of ambush
>Not sleeping in Plate incase your party is attacked during the night
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>>155962566
Historically, knights even slept in their plate. The armor smiths made sure it was comfortable to wear all the time, people sometimes thought the smiths were wizards because the stuff they made was so fucking awesome.
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>>155962566
>Unless you're preparing for imminent battle.

I'd say dungeon spelunking is literally a protracted battle while walking.

Battle is always imminent.
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>>155962599
Yeah, they only lost that time because they were suffering from hunger and tiredness debuffs that were throwing them off.
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>>155962617
Thats nonsense, you are either lying or have been misinformed.
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>>155958013
what chapter? how far are we behind?

dragon imoutos are pretty amazing
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>>155962654
No, I research this stuff, it's a hobby of mine. Middle Ages was completely different from what TV tells us.
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>>155962679
We're on the bleeding edge.

I think that panel came from a dream or character's imagination of resurrecting Farlyn with the dragon flesh.
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>>155962599
Dragons in this setting seem to be just "very strong", rather than the terrifying engines of destruction they are in some others.
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>>155962679
Pretty sure that's shopped or not real.
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>>155961743
And being charismatic enough to lead and inspire a party isn't something useful for a fighter?
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>>155962727
Wait, scratch that, I just remembered that's Farlyn's reaction to finding out her brother got to eat monsters. Much to Marcille's dismay.

It's a shoop, good one though.
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>>155962732
An entire tribe of Orcs relocated because of the dragon.
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>>155962740
Having followers was a standard part of the original D&D Fighter class, completely distinct from their Charisma stat. They also got a keep too, IIRC, just by leveling up.
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>>155962740
Depends. In D&D (at least 2nd edition), fighters get a bonus for followers and hirleings, iirc. They are more like soldiers, or generals if high level.

But spying out other people? Nah.
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>>155962679
>>155962727
>>155962737

Hey, I'm the anon that posted it. It's definitely shopped. If you want the original panel, see chapter 28, page 24.
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>>155962793
Yarr, see:
>>155962753
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>Names I've heard in this thread

Kabru
Kabron
Kabruk
Cabron

What is wrong with you people?!
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>>155962566
I like how his sister is better armored than him at first
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>>155962835
Fuck off Cabron, go think about how are you going to piss in Sureau's ears next month.
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>>155962835
EY CABRON
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>>155962774
They aren't very well equipped to deal with dragons, plus they had non-combatants and children to protect.
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>>155962781
Woops, I wrote that reply a while after reading your post, and forgot you were talking about Kabru's spying on people.

I guess at most you could consider it as a quirk. Being aware of other people's intentions and analyzing their psychology are common traits in both sociopaths and effective leaders.

If you took Kabru's negative outlook on humanity out of the equation, he might've been a really thoughtful and considerate dude who would help people before they knew they even needed it.
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>>155962864
Obviously all their money went into buying her a decent armor so Laius wouldn't be worried about her so much.
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If it got an anime i wish it was comfy and chill like Spice and Wolf instead of the shitty j-rock every medieval fantasy anime gets
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I'd like a single player RPG in that world. In b4 Wizardry. Wizardry isn't nearly as cozy. It's actually pretty deadly.
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>>155962774
The Chief's sister says that's because the Sorcerer just rez the dragon if he's killed anyway, and punishes thoses who killed him in the first place. This isn't because the Dragon is too strong of an opponent by himself.
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can't wait for the pajeet to die off along with the rest of his party
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>>155962320
>he-goat
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>>155963155
Well, definitely not a she-goat.
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>>155962713
Can you post your sources? I've heard of some padded cloth armors and brigandines that were made for everyday use, but full plate?
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>>155963413
He's probably mixing up half-plates with full plate. You literally couldn't sit down in a full plate and taking it off required like 4 people.
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>>155963446
>American education
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>>155962654

He's telling the truth.

Sometimes, knights wouldn't remove their armor because it was such a fucking chore to get in and out of that particular design, so they just kept them on until they started rusting.

It's actually a major contributor to why you go for lighter designs of armor even when "more defense" is available.
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>>155963446
You can sit in full plate though
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>>155963413
Sorry, forgot to answer. Among others, some sources are the regulations for the Teutonic Order, the orders of Henry V at Agincourt and the Psalter der Mechthild v. Anhalt. And images from medieval books also show knights sleeping in their armor, from chain to plate and everything in between.
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>>155963446

This is wrong and five minutes on youtube could show you how wrong it is.

The only armor that could feasibly be cumbersome enough to hinder your movement in a noticeable way was the tournament sets, which were extra reinforced and specialized towards tournament games (men crashing into each other on horseback).

Also another fun fact: full armor and guns are actually contemporaries.
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>>155963508
Ah okay
Would it be really comfortable though? I imagined it would be hot as fuck
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>>155963446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q

Can't find it, but there's another video out there of a person scampering around a rock climbing wall with relative ease in full plate armor.

This video should dispell some of your notions however.
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>>155963446
t. bullcrap
https://youtu.be/7RR6I-BLKbQ
>required like 4 people
lel
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>>155940011
what is this white stuff
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>>155963601
As someone who served in the army I can say that it matters not if sleeping with munitions on you is uncomfortable if you FUCKING WANT TO SLEEP.
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>>155963678
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>>155963601
As comfortable as a bed? No. More comfortable than sleeping with the nagging fear of ambushes? Yes.
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>>155963626
>Be a peasant levy maining the walls
>Hear thunderous clanking when knights scale the building
>CLANK CLANK CLANK

Must have been fucking terrifying to here. Not to mention how they were so well protected against ones weapons and had years of training/experience while you might have had none
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>>155963795
Knight were basically licing tanks. Imagien an olympic athlete, only his sport is killing you. Now put him into steel clothes and give him a weapon that can smash your bones like brittle wood.
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>>155961260
>Most often it doesnt hit blade first and just bounces off harmlessly.
we are talking about a thief, probably competiteve knife trower, not an edgy child that is trowing bread knives
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>>155963678
bacon
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>>155963678
It looks like cut mushrooms.
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>>155963626
Yep, very nice video, dagger killed more knights then anything.
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Read chapter 10 again. Cabron's posse was always manipulative assholes.

>Innkeeper compliments them on being up-and-coming rookies, maybe they could finish the dungeon
>Cabron is like "What? us? No way! Haha!"
>As soon as they're alone, they call the innkeeper an imbecile and admit becoming the new overlords was their plan all along

I dunno, they rub me the wrong way.
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>>155963982
Well no, spear killed more knights than anything followed by mace. Daggers were more a weapon of last resort, having to aim for gaps is a bitch.
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>>155964006
Or if they get mired in mud or stunned by the fall from their horse in battle, then you get down and snik snik them in the gaps
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>>155964006
This

For the most part of knighthood history, knights didnt have plate armor
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>>155964039
If i recalled right, chain mail is the one that actually being use by knight .

But its not as "heroic" as plate mail and become much less popular than plate mail in fiction.
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>>155964006
>having to aim for gaps
It's not that hard after you shaked that helmet with a poleaxe or a mace/hammer and your foe is lying half unconscious.
And much more productive then keep bashing that hunk of steel.
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>>155964108
If you have a poleaxe you already have a pokey bit at the end.
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>>155964103
You recalled wrong as much as this >>155963446 one.
History of armor is a constant strife to put even more armor on a knight. Results you can see on vids above.
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>tfw no halfling jew gf
>tfw no doggo kobold party member that takes food as payment
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>>155964027
>Or if they get mired in mud
Generally didn't happen. Knights weren't stupid and you really need a big kind of swamp to immobilize them anyway. Also keep in mind cavalry generally avoids swamps.

>>155964103
Plate armor was actually less expensive and easier to produce than chainmail, which is just a fucking hassle to make. Also, the protection made you pretty much invincible against conventional weapons, considering the average knight was a fucking monster in melee (see: Muslim reports on European knights, which likened them to wild animals who knew no fear and had superhuman strength). In the end, most went with plate as soon as it was available because it combined the best of both worlds - cheaper and better than chain.

>>155964210
So Mick is a girl? How can you tell? I mean, Chilchak has short hair, but Mick?
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>>155964251
I trust my boner.
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god this series needs more doujins
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>>155964178
>History of armor is a constant strife to put even more armor on a knight.

So there is a part of "armor is handed down from father to son", is because its "difficult" to get a new one.
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>>155964158
Take to sticks, first 15 centimeters and second 2 meters long and try to hit a small slit.
inb4 u can grip poleaxe closer to a pokey bit
Well it still weights heck of a lot.
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>>155964251
>So Mick is a girl?
she could be a girl (male)
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>>155964283
Pls no. Last time someone said that, it was shidol who answered the call
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>>155964251
>So Mick is a girl? How can you tell? I mean, Chilchak has short hair, but Mick?
In b4 it turns out Chilchak is a girl.
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>>155964304
People used halberds for quite a lot of time, and mostly as spears. It's not that hard to direct a spear.
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>>155964303
It happend of course but that was not a rule or something.
Not to mention that there were times when father is still in active duty while his son already has been knighted and he needs fucking armor.
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>>155964178
>History of armor is a constant strife to put even more armor on a knight.

Thats not true though. History of armor has always been about weight/protection ratio, not about mindless increase of protection
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I want /his/ to leave
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>>155963601

Plate armor shouldn't be that hot. What creates the heat is the padding you wear underneath, and plate should be using less padding that earlier mail armor.

You can overheat in armor of course, but that's only because you can overheat in other pieces of clothing as well. The big problem is really that armor might be a bit harder to get off while you are shuffling in the mud together with another bunch of guys that want to kill you.
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>>155964429
Let's discuss alignment instead.
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>>155963678

Mushroom or cheese probably.
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>>155964463
FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
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>>155964463
As long as it's Wizardry alignment, and not D&D alignment, sure.
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>>155964429
Last Dungeon Meshi thread was crashed by /co/ talking about Avatar...
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>>155961093
nah, it's fap time
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>>155964463
Bismarc
>True neutral

Hitler
>Lawful evil

Stalin
>Chaotic neutral

Churchill
>Lawfull neutral

Roosevelt
>Lawfull good
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>>155964524
with no survivors?
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>>155964392

More like weight/protection/heat/costs/technology
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goodness, all the girls in this are so cute
SO
CUTE
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>>155964392
>weight
Weight distribution is a THING also I didn't mean they put layer after layer of sleet mindlessly.
But if you compare 11th, 13th and 15th century knihgts you will see increasion of "amount" of steel on them.
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>>155964524
Don't exaggerate it. Those fags only talked about the menstruation-bending for 30 or so posts.
The rest was your typical spic-posting joking about Kabru's name.
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>>155964546
FDR was definitely CE. He was hell-bent for war, no matter how many Americans would die.

Churchill and Stalin were NE. Well, Churchill was maybe CE.
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>>155964569
damn 1330, 1400 and 1525 i /fa/ as fuck
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>>155964392
I think there is two history point of view here,

One being, The History of armour technology advancement. The design evolution, defense/weight and stuff
Two being, The History of the actual armor usage. The actual armor being use and owned by knight in certain time period.

It's a bit different point of view.
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can't wait for Mick x Kuro doujins
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>>155945968
>they spent a whole chapter going from "Laius' group might not be bad" to "they're terrible people and money grubber" just by talking and warping the truth between themselves to satisfy their own desires.
but that's completely understandable
anyone would do that
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>>155963515
Hell Yeah!
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>>155964463

Marcille is chaotic good
>Essentially a good person, but isn't bothered by laws such as "you shall not resurrect people using the dark rituals"
Senshi is chaotic good
>Essentially a good person, but does not bother with participating in society
Laius and Farlyn are neutral good
>Good people who sticks to the path of least resistance when it comes to the customs of the land
Chilchack is lawful good
>A good person who values contracts, social constructs and order.
The Brown Bomber
>Lawful evil (who thinks he's good). Cares for order, his idea of justice and society. Is essentially selfish and feels no sympathy for others or remorse about causing harm.
Namari
>Neutral. Not a bad person and shows concern towards others. Won't stick out her neck out of the goodness of her heart though.
The Dark Elf
>Chaotic evil. A crazy fuck who doesn't care about murdering others as long as his own impulses are satisfied.
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Fuck elves.
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>>155964546
That was supposed to be a joke.
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>>155964818
Around Elves, Watch Yourselves
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>>155964847
trust no one, not even your elf
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EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND POST BEST GIRL
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>>155964905
>BEST GIRL
But her armor is a joke.
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>>155964905
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>>155964822

Yes but I want you to suffer.
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>>155964905
Fuckin nippon party in my western swords-n-sorcery mango
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>>155964783
>Implying Dark elf is evil

Shes chaotic neutral.

She kills people whom she thinks are going to harm her subordinates, she protects them in her mind. Also everyone in the dungeon is in her turf, trying to make money out of her friends kingdom.

That being said, adventurers are literally sent in to get her head and her spellbook. Dark elfs actions are solely for self defense, the protection of her property and souls residing on it.

Her actions have a reasoning behind them, she even let the Laiuses group to escape. She controls the dungeon and no hatch would suddenly open without her will involved
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>>155964949
Don't worry, some months ago it was the orc girl, before that Farlyn. Marcille will always reign supreme.
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>>155964941
YER A FUKKEN JOKE M8
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>>155965056
Her "suit" has only aesthetic function, ma8tey.
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>>155965105
>Oni
>needing functional armor
she should already give zero shits about anything that could be stopped by armor
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>>155965105
>>155964941

A bit incomplete but she got front armor, shoulder and hip plate,
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>>155964977

>pleading insanity

Objection!

Though it's true that both CN and CE includes crazy people, and that someone too crazy to realize they are doing something bad can stay CN while committing evil acts, this is not the case with the Dark Elf.

The dark elf clearly knows that he keeps residents (including the king) imprisoned and he doesn't seem to mind. This means he doesn't care as much about the kings well being as he cares about him being well as a result of being in control of the king. Placing yourself before others is a selfish act, which when combined with hurting others makes you evil according to dnd standards.
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>>155965105
Oni get natural armor AND damage resistance 5/Cold Iron.
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>>155965206
I don't think he knows that they don't want to be imprisoned. In his mind he's simply helping everyone int he kingdom while he looks for a way to resurrect the king.
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>>155964783
Kabru himself has good intentions and wants what's best for the island. I'd argue he's more of an extreme lawful good than a lawful evil.
Talking about that brown dude's party:
They have two humans, a dwarf (female), a halfling (female), a kobold (male), and a gnome (male). The mage and Kabru seem like they're a couple, and the female halfling is "employing" the kobold. What are their classes though?
Kabru's probably a warrior like Laius, the female human is an Eastern mage, the halfling is probably a thief, both the dwarf and the kobold seem to be barbarians, and the gnome seems to be able a summoner.

The way Kabru's party was talking about Laius' party, it gives off the impression that they don't have the best reputation on the island.
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>>155965242
>Everybody just stay calm. I got a plan to fix all this. Promise.
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>>155964941
Her armour is like, poor samurai's "anything goes" armour given to an attendant, only front breastplate. Layout looks like a poor Genpei/Muromachi era Do, but her Do is later Sengoku-era plate instead of the old lamellar construction.
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>>155965206
>This means he doesn't care as much about the kings well being as he cares about him being well as a result of being in control of the king

This is projection. We dont have any shred of information about the nature of elf-king relationship except for the brief painting chapter.

>The dark elf clearly knows that he keeps residents (including the king) imprisoned and he doesn't seem to mind.

We dont know anything about the spell either. It could be irreversible for all we know. Also, it could be a situation where Person A doesnt know that Person B wants him to pull the plug at the hospital bed.

We do know that ghosts cant communicate with the elf as we havent seen any dialogue. Ergo, Dark elf isnt evil but just misunderstands the situation thanks to cultural differences between short and long lived species
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>>155965242

He might not realize that they just want to pass on, but he's clearly treating them as if they belong to him. This sort of possessiveness is pretty evil considering the elf's complete callousness.

>>155965263

Kabru hasn't done anything completely damning yet, but it it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and flies like a duck, it's a fucking duck.

Someone who is genuinely good doesn't assume the worst about people and does not get giddy at thought of "outing" them as evil or administering "justice".

The guy is a sadist.
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>>155965510
>He might not realize that they just want to pass on, but he's clearly treating them as if they belong to him. This sort of possessiveness is pretty evil considering the elf's complete callousness.

Not that anon but in medieval times serfs did belong to the king. From our modern standpoint its evil but everyone back then thought it was competely normal
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>>155965263
>Kabru himself has good intentions and wants what's best for the island. I'd argue he's more of an extreme lawful good than a lawful evil.
Laughing. The guy is a murderer, a cheat and a skilled manipulator.
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who were donny and fionil? the two mentioned on pages 2 and 3
i vaguely remember their faces but not what they were doing or where they are now
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>>155965242
Does the elf sorcerer even know that King Derghal managed to flee to the surface?
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>>155965607
They're the dude who got poisoned by the basilisk and his elf chick companion who cried tears for him.
They're scrub adventurers.
They and their entire party got defeated and killed by the man-eating plants a few days later.
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>>155965611
She does.

She says that they should wait for kings return. This implies king will come back.

Im betting on reincarnation in from of Laius
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>>155965607
What they were: Got injured, healed and fed by the party
Where they are now: Eaten by plants not far from where they started over again
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>>155964905
This ogre girl was a cutie.
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>>155965577
There's nothing wrong with killing monsters, capefags need to go back to /co/ and masturbate to batman
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>>155965720
Uhm.
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>>155965720

> Nothing wrong with killing monsters

he killed humans and intentionally made it so they wouldn't be revived.
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>>155965758
>implying man isn't the greatest monster
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>>155965554

dnd morality is basically modern though, with some allowances for how you punish criminals (for instance it's probably alright for a paladin to kill known criminals without a fair trial).

Most medieval societies simply weren't good according to dnd definitions.
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>>155965811
Then by that logic, they should all get killed by the next monster they meet. Too bad they have a better, stronger party to protect this moron and his "ideals"
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>>155965510
>>155965554
>>155965878
If you don't know shit about the Middle Ages then kindly shut up.
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>>155965758
They were killers and I seriously doubt that, if they knew that Cabron knew about their scheme and were in position to kill all the party and sink they corpses they would've hesitated.

Stop trying to imply Cabron was in the wrong here. He's wrong about a lot of things but not about killing a bunch of thieves.
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>>155966065

I don't like Kabru, I think killing those revival thugs was the right decision, but not leaving them to rot in the water.
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>>155966065
>They were killers
Nope, they were thieves.

>Stop trying to imply Cabron was in the wrong here.
We're not implying that Cabron is a cold-blooded asshole and murderer. We know he is. Re-read the earlier chapters, it's already lampshaded that this group is weird annd douchey.
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>>155966136
Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep, except this time they won't try to revive us to get paid for us or take our bodies back to the surface to get paid from the governor, they'll just dump us in the lake so we can't reveal their scheme.

I suppose the most morale decision is to kill/capture the bandits and bring their bodies back to the surface themselves (to get revived if they're deads) so they can be put in a fair trial but that would've been a time-consuming matter, a dangerous trip (considering they already get wiped without having to carries prisoners/dead corpses around) and in the end it's their words against the other group's.
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>>155966037

I actually know shit about both dnd morality and laws and crime in medieval times. That's why I know you can't actually combine the two, and discussing what people actually did during medieval times have very little bearing on dnd morality, which is actually based more on modern western fiction.
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>>155966245
>Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep

I can't imagine they'd be able to logically seek vengeance on a group they've intentionally tricked to try and kill them.
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>>155966313
>I actually know shit about both dnd morality and laws and crime in medieval times.
Says the American.

>>155966245
>Let's eradicate them so they can never be ressurrected because there may be a chance that low-level thieves try to mess with our murderhobo party again. Maybe. Well, probably not, but I just love to kill lowbies.
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>>155966358
Dead men (and demihumans) tell no tales.
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>>155966214
>Nope, they were thieves.
Nope, they make money by reviving dead adventurers and getting paid or bringing dead bodies back up the surfaces to get paid by the government.

Nothing illegal here apart from the part where they cast illusions to make adventurers kill each others and collect their corpses or when they offer to kill their knocked out comrades to get money from the surface.
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What the hell are people even discussing for 500 posts here. The manga is shallow is fuck. Waifus?
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>>155966460

Actually, since they are tricking the governor, that makes them fraudsters.
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>>155966474
Here's your (You).
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>>155966474

Says the guy reading Goblin Slayer
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>>155965263
Not quite sure about his alignment but,

Kabru had delusion of righteous grandeur that then take form in fluid morality which basically boils down to "i'm the only one that is right."
He didn't particularly care about the actual law, very much willing to break it and go through the extreme to deliver his "rightful justice."
He still had some standard but judging from his past action, push come to shove, he will break it.

He is highly prejudiced, manipulative, and gathered basically shady yesman to follow him in his party.
Despite of his righteousness, he seems to be willing to overlook things or two as long as it work in his favor

Currently in progress in manipulating Sureou to be on "his prejudiced side",but i have a feeling that the author is setting up an event that will bruise his ego badly in near future.
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>>155966474
Morality in the wizardry world of Dungeon Meshi, public relations, the grand scheme of the mad elven sorcerer, the re-appearance of samurai warrior Sureau and his band of oriental waifus, Kabru and his party's world view, and reminiscing about older chapters.
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>>155966065
There is a law,
He could "kill" them, stash the body somewhere safe and report it.

But no,
>"fuck that, I'm the fucking hammer of justice. Permadeath for you lot"
>"Yeah kabru, you always right."

It's a shady lawful stupid alpha with bunch of yesman. Story wise it couldn't end well for them.
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Il really don't get where it's going. Those new characters are shit except the eastern qt.
The slow updates don't help following the plot.
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So, we now have currently four main parties.

Laius Thorden
>independent
>save sister
>get out alive of dungeon for another attempt at saving sister
>eat the dungeon inhabitants

Kabru
>defeat the dungeon
>save the island
>become king of the forsaken kingdom

Master Tance
>unearth the secret of immortality
>affiliated with the island governor
>seeks to strengthen the independence of the island against the encroaching elf kingdom

Sureau
>rescue Farlyn Thorden

And perhaps Donny and Fionil's party
>be weak
>get eaten by plants
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>>155966605

Well they are in straight collision course with
>A dwarf who literally lives lower in the dungeon than they've ever reached
>The veteran thief of the thief's guild
>A dark mage who dueled the master of the dungeon
>A literal madman who fucking SLAYED a dragon

People keep saying that Kabru could take Laius in a 1v1 since Laius has never shown any particular sword skills, but I honestly doubt that will happen. Personally I believe Laius simply on another level, it's just hard to tell since he makes the stuff he does look too easy.

The scrub party's only advantage is their numbers.
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>>155966605
>He could "kill" them, stash the body somewhere safe and report it.
>>155966245
>Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep, except this time they won't try to revive us to get paid for us or take our bodies back to the surface to get paid from the governor, they'll just dump us in the lake so we can't reveal their scheme.

Cabron is a jerk but you're a moron and you're just looking for more reasons to hate him.
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>>155961417
dark elf -> dark skin human
He will sacrifice his party member eventually
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>>155966833
The brown guy is an assassin not a monster hunter, look at how he bodied the crooks without even a weapon in his hands. Its the lack of dungeoneering knowledge that is letting them down.
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>>155966832
>Donny and Fionil
Who?
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>>155966833
Cant wait for a wipe, holy hell
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>>155966915
They were mentioned this chapter. That newbie party back in the early days who got taken out by plants.
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>>155966915
This girl and that guy nobody cares about.
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>>155966833
>Personally I believe Laius simply on another level
The problem is in point of view. we sees laius dicking around from a high level party point of view. But even then he sheer knowledge and capability is still pretty awesome to them.

One time we sees laius from low level party point of view (the snake chicken recipe) he with help of senshi can easily slay one monster that about decimate their entire party.
tough he did it in "laius way" which visually doens't look as awesome as kabru vs corpse hunter.
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>>155966832
You forgot "sex" for Donny and Fionil.
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>>155966900
Kabru is more aligned with being a warrior and assassin hybrid. I never heard of a knight who actively keeps people and their whereabouts in check as a "habit."
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>>155966882
Judging from his action and personality shown, he seems very much willing to sacrifice them for his "greater goal".
Not to mention it seems he gather bunch of yesman for his party for the eventuality anyway.
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>>155967040
I care about them. Am pleased to know their names and the author remembers all the neat details all the way from chapter 1.
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>>155966900
Those crooks were weaksauce, not even close to high level party. If they were, they wouldnr be corpse hunters
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