>high CHA faggot presents himself
>the three demihumans don't care
>the two humans already blushing
Humans are sluts.
>dark elf is looking for the king
Then who the fuck is this?
It's the king who died after escaping the mad sorcerer's grasp, who meant well when he (or she?) bestowed the gift of eternal life to the golden kingdom, but instead cursed them to eternal existence where all its inhabitants became former shadows of themselves and could not pass on.
Yeah him being Derghal feels a bit weird. She could just have Farlyn spit out the legend, or that is what will happen when Laius gets a word in next time.
Eh, seems clear to me.
Elf sorcerer sees weak short-lived humans, wants them to live a long life, casts his great magick where death is forever banished from their realm. The first century is awesome for all the humans in the kingdom, because they don't die. Then, a few centuries later, they all find out that just because they don't die doesn't mean that their bodies won't rot away. Also, they all get incredibly bored and wish to die, but the elf sorcerer thinks that the silly humans are being suicidal and sinks the kingdom to protect the humans from themselves, still believing that he's doing the humans a great favor. King Derghal then tries to reason with the elf sorcerer, doesn't manage to convince him, escapes to the surface, where the magic of immortality ceases to apply to him, and he finally dies the true death. But before that happens, he asks the villagers that they free his subjects from the mad sorcerer.
It's your typical tragic tale. Fits very well.
Humans don't know what they really want. But fortunately, their big friend, the great and wonderful sorcerer of Oz knows what is best for them all.
They will have eternal fun, and party forever.
Because running back into a dungeon with no supplies, including food, is suicide (They majorly lucked out meeting Senshi). He'd rather take an extra day to go get his allies and go down into the dungeon with a well equipped party rather than die before even reaching the dragon.
You're just saying that they're shit because they died once (first time they were just paralyzed).
However, almost everyone in Laius' party died at least once too. Some like Chilchak even died several times.
No, I'm calling them shit because they spent a whole chapter going from "Laius' group might not be bad" to "they're terrible people and money grubber" just by talking and warping the truth between themselves to satisfy their own desires. Party leader is a sociopath with a hero complex and the halfling is a hypocritical exploiter.
Fairly high. Laius's group needs more allies to save Farlyn. More allies = bigger meals. Introducing Sureau's Eastern dream team was the right decision.
Brown God Complex Man & co. can eat the scraps.
More allies also means more food is needed. But nothing says that the monsters down below might actually yield a lot of food. Or might not even be edible.
In the worst case, they might be weird things like gargoyles, fire elementals, demons and poisonous slimes.
People are literally saying the kobold is being enslaved and exploited and it's just not true. Different fantasy races have different expectations of behavior, which is why Chilchak has a bad rep.
The way Kabron sees it Laius and Farlyn were directly connected to and supporting the black market, he can't even fathom the possibility that they were just being deceived by their former companions.
Kabru has a very warped way of thinking. I could understand if he accused them of falling into the complacency of false kindness by unknowingly funding criminals, but I felt like he was missing way too many important steps to understand why he concretely thought the siblings were bad people knowingly funding the underworld.
This is first and foremost a cooking manga, the intriguing plot is secondary. If I can't eat everyone and everything I encounter, I'm quitting.
Steam and grind into a paste to make gargoyle mochi.
Would make for a really spicy spice.
Soak in water to remove toxins and then make them into slime noodles.
The japanese raws make it more clear that Kabru was saying that the siblings were involved in the black market by way of their companions, not that they were helping but colluding with them.
He's still a novice adventurer who can't afford heavier sets of armor yet.
On the other hand, Laius is starting to become a Lord (the elite class from Wizardry that can wear armor and cast priest spells).
I don't see the groups merging before the final fight. They are still up on level 4, can't take the orc passage, and will likely meet the orcs soon when they reach level 5 as the Laius party finds new paths as the dungeon is moving.
How exactly is he dumb if he deduced practically everything correctly safe for personality?
Keep in mind that he's just thinking that Laius and Farlyn aren't good people. That is all.
You can't rely on a gimmick like that to go on forever. Manga that end up like that become bland and boring.
DM's segue into deeper plot points as the ins and outs of the world opened up naturally over time felt very smooth, and I like that it's now paved the way for full on intrigue.
Now here's the question of the day: do you guys think monster hunter Laius could fight pvp spec Kabru on even terms? I'm worried.
Do people still like that?
What do you think is going to happen in the inevitable clash? Will Kabru get the upper hand over Laius just as they get attacked by monsters?
Apparently if you write "Kabru" in arabic it'll use the same K-B-R scripts similar to other words that signifies greatness (e.g "akbar" = "the great")
No wonder he's pretty megalomaniac desu, it's literally written on his name
I didn't expect these guys to be an actual significant part of the plot at first, it seemed like they were just gonna be some side-chapter fodder that always gets killed and is always chasing the main party but just misses them.
Now it certainly seems like they're gonna clash at some point, that'll be interesting to see.
It's obvious that the mangaka is really into world-building, the bonus chapters have a lot to say about the characters and the races. The whole manga has been so good that I can't understand people wanting to backseat-author.
>generic fantasy adventure
Sure it borrows from DnD for the lore but the personalities + story is anything but generic. You're thinking of chuuni isekai shit.
Sureau's party will get murdered in their sleep next chapter by Cabron the murder hobo who rationalizes his decision on the idea that adventurers who want to get their dick wet have no place conquering the dungeon.
Technically we've known the family name of Laius and Farlyn since chapter 26.
I wonder if the author hasn't prepared a story ahead of time. I remember in the beginning Farlyn being eaten was a small thing for them to care about but as the story went on they treated it much more seriously.
The thing with the dungeon is that in order to convince yourself you are worthy of conquering it and inheriting the sunken kingdom, it means you need to believe you deserve it more than everyone else. Kabru is thinking logically. If he's the one who is the most worthy then he needs to find a reason why everyone else is corrupted. He has no reason to look on the bright side of people, the moral of his party and therefore the success of his expedition depends on doing the opposite. Laius and his party are braving the dungeon but they aren't looking for treasures or glory, which is why they are pure.
>Laius and Farlyn are the children of a village chief
>Marcille is a prodigy of the mage school and wielder of ancient and forbidden arts
>Chilchak is either a higher up in the thieves guild, or just a very outspoken spokesman
>Namari's father is "the merchant of arms"
>Sureau is some nobility from the land of the rising sun
>Senshi still won't talk about his past
Fuck he's going to turn out to be some Dwarven lord isn't he?
Not that guy, I have no problem with generic, and I love Dungeon Meshi and the current developments, but the characters and story are pretty generic for a fantasy adventuring party.
Laius is a human fighter guy who leads the team but has no outstanding specializations, Marcille is an elf wizard who's academically inclined and adventuring for her craft, Chililack is a halfling rogue in for the job that grows from aloof into a sentimental team player. Farlyn, Soryu and Namari are pretty standard archetypes too.
Senshi's the one that's really far off from his stereotype and really, him and his influence on the story is what changes things up so much.
Dungeon Meshi's all about amazing execution, generic is fine really.
I'm starting to suspect Marcille might be working with or related to the elves that wish to reclaim the dungeon.
That takes the fun out of searching for it. I'll usually end up with a window of nice finds before I get to it.
All of the characters are somewhat deviant from the norm, and that's part of what makes this all so charming.
Laius seems like the standard happy-go-lucky adventurer/warrior, but the dude has a monster fetish that creepseven his other party members out a bit, and is perhaps a bit unhealthily attached to his sister. Can't blame him for that, though. She's adorable.
Marsille seems like a typical academic, yes, but we and the other party members only recently learned that her specialty was in the dark arts. She's expressed a desire in dungeon engineering. Did you see how deranged she looked in the fight against the sorcerer? There's a dark path open to her.
Chilchak is probably the most normal of the group, but you need someone like him to act as a foil to all the weird.
They all have flaws. Chilchak is known for being all about business and stingy about money and procedures. He admitted himself he doesn't trust people unless money is involved. Namari is the daughter of a dumb smelly dwarf who ruined race relations for everybody. Farlyn and Laius may be the children of a local leader but living in a village full of dumb superstitious villagers and then developing spooky powers is not entirely a good situation. It explains why they left home behind and aren't in any hurry to come back. As for Sureau his character flaw is to be a waifufag, the worst affliction known to man.
Senshi briefly mentions working in a mine. It doesn't sounds very dwarf lord-ish.
>Chilchak has a bad rep
I believe you misunderstood.
Chilchak didn't have a bad rep, rather the shady halfling had a bad opinion of him for disproving of shady behaviour and trying to get halflings to organise and break from stereotypes of shady manipulative thieves like the dog-slaver.
Rather than admit that they were a shady greedy shit the halfling just projected that chilchak must really be the greedy one and no better and just pretends to be principled.
I admit that the halfling from Kabru's party is a biased observator. However we have seen some glimpses of Chilchak that confirm he does have a behavior towards money that can be perceived as controversial by others. Marcille was also outraged when Chilchak said he was only helping them to get paid. He then said through advice that he doesn't trust people and expects everything to be about money. It's a good attitude for business but it doesn't make you popular at parties.
I actually saw that as him trusting Laius and the rest of his party because he was honest and was willing to foot the bill without any bullshit, he is actuallydistrustful of people who only have their word on it, the way he talked and how this chapter painted Kabru and his party it looks like he was talking about people like him
Hell Chicalk really likes everyone in his party, look how desperate he was for their safety in the last few chapters
He's stingy but seems to follow a code of ethics, thus his presence on the adventure at all.
>Marcille was also outraged when Chilchak said he was only helping them to get paid
But he wasn't getting paid to help them, there was no promise of any pay on this potentially life-threatening adventure, rather he counted it as an extension of the previous adventure which he was pre-paid for and felt duty bound to complete.
The only "greediness" the other halfling even referenced was him trying to get people to sign up through the guild to help avoid the kind of corruption and black market shit that kabru's whole stupid crusade is about.
Chilchak obviously just uses the whole "i-it's just for the money and my duty d-dummmy" shit to keep people at arms-length from personal issues but it seems like he may actually be respected and that is precisely why the other halfling hates him.
It's pure projecting and crabs in a bucket, "that fuckin nigga actin like he's better than me, he ain't shit, he's just as bad as me or even worse but just puts on airs to make us halflings who steal and manipulate look bad!"
Also, thinking more;
Laius' party mentioned the rarity and value of a kobold companion and wished that they could get one, while the halfling implied to the kobold that the guilds wouldn't accept him.
It's pretty obvious that he's a shady shit who works outside the law and is lying so he can take advantage of the kobold, I mean he even pulled the stupid anime "evil smug" face and their own companion outright stated it and another only seemed to object of grounds of it being impolite to accuse.
I honestly can't really understand why anyone is defending the other halfling besides baiting/shitposting.
Our guys successfully wrecked a dragon and lived through a subsequent dark mage encounter without any great losses, all done with only 4 members.
Meanwhile the shitskin gets wrecked by the jobbest of trash mobs.
Main party would push their shit in 10 times out of 10
We just watched him take down 3-5 fully armed humans on his own in a matter of seconds. He mentions thinking that it's so simple to take down humanoids because their vital points are all in the same basic locations, while with monsters, for him it's all a crapshoot.
I think it's less that he's a bad fighter and more that he has a general lack of knowledge when it comes to fighting monsters.
Starting to doubt that. We've never seen Lauis and co. square off against another party, while Kabron can murder easily on a whim. It seems that they do pack some heavy hitters, but their inexperience with monsters is preventing things from working out. Lynnsha is apparently powerful enough to turn everyone else in the party into ash.
Laius had a cookbook, so they'd probably still eat, even if their meals were a more standard affair without Senshi.
They would have certainly died without him after running across the Orcs though. I can't recall off the top of my head all the other times Senshi saved their goddamn asses.
Meanwhile, at scrub party:
>farm boy become knight for muh revenge
>"""""mage""" who went to a """""mage school"""
>halfling jew who can't even afford the entrance fee to join the guild where Chilchack's at.
Really makes you think.
People were saying that Farlyne closing one eye and holding her throat was just a coincidence and connecting it to the dragon was reading into it too deeply, look how that turned out
More importantly, despite Cabron's profession that only a selfless, honest, person should take control of the dungeon he himself quite clearly does not believe ANYBODY is selfless.
His problem isn't so much he couldn't imagine Laius and Farlyn being tricked, it's more that he couldn't imagine anybody giving away their hard earned money so easily like that. He thinks Laius and his sister are carefully creating a kind public facade.
Which is kind of important, because Cabron makes the same claims about his own intentions. The guy is definitely Neutral Evil or Lawful Evil, and hates the siblings because he thinks they're playing the same game he is.
>or just a very outspoken spokesman
Probably just this. Chilchak's whole development is that he doesn't trust people easily, only his contracts and money, and a guild would offer some sort of protection and insurance on contracts signed through them. So it would make sense that he's very outspoken towards the guild considering how important contracts are to him.
He's talking about pic related
It's like watching veterans slay and eat everything that moves, then suddenly the PoV shifted to scrubs that gets slain and eaten by everything that moves. It's like scrub horizon all over again, just a little bit better.
No, there's a legit argument to be made against the sibling's fitness to inherit the dungeon if he thought they were just stupid but thought they were doing the right thing, but Kabru didn't use it. Kabru explicitly thinks they're villains hiding their true natures and the only reason they'd give those men money was because they were up to something, which speaks volumes about Kabru's character.
the author seems to make him act much sweeter on the beginning of the manga though
>I'm starting to suspect Marcille might be working with or related to the elves that wish to reclaim the dungeon.
Really? Was it the fact she has a very specialized expertise in a field of magic forbidden to learn but that the elvish elite is apparently very interested in understanding?
Even her occasional comments of her background reek of an upper crust upbringing. She's definitely not adventuring because she needs the money, which implies she's there only because of her interest in the dungeon's forbidden magicks.
Whcih is exactly what the Elvish nation is angling on.
>As for Sureau his character flaw is to be a waifufag, the worst affliction known to man.
I'll fight you.
Also, who here thinks Farlyn will be the one to claim the dungeon? She's apparently a half dragon cleric prodigy now, whoss skills even Marcille gushes over.
And that was before she got the serious power boost after her impromptu ressurection.
overlord isn't nearly as good overall
she's certainly got a lot of "chosen one" traits, but the manga has pushed the theme of eat or be eaten quite strongly.
Farlyn was eaten, and though she was temporarily brought back, she had already lost, and I'm genuinely afraid that she's gone forever.
Farlynn got a second chance, but so long as dark elf is still alive it'll be impossible
also, I'm more worried about the wizard and whether he might've given Farlynn a new "form" to carry out her duties...
The point I was making was this more or less:
What Kabron finds so unrealistic about the exchange is that he thinks nobody would give a free bag of gold to someone else.
Not that they couldn't be naive enough to not realize they were being cheated.
He probably does believe people can be dumbasses, but doesn't think anybody is capable of a selfless action.
The other party pov is pretty useful for the story since its really difficult to show the main party just suck at something when the plot demands they win everything and continue the story.
Meanwhile party #2 can fuck up all they can and it only adds to the enjoyment since you get the feeling the party #1 is special in their accomplishments.
other elves appearantly can move their ears so a bit of exercise in that department could work wonders for her too
i don't want to know in what other way the poor dog gets exploited
Unless theyre generic chaotic evil theres no better motivation for them to follow Laius party other than a revenge due to misunderstanding.
The conspiracy theories are just sprinkles on top, not the ice cream.
Bullshit, I remember thoses threads, people were saying that the dragon's soul fused into her or some shit and that she was going to attack the party later.
In the end her eye and throat were fine and while the sorcerer used the power he had over the dragon's flesh to control her there's clearly no business with her mind and the dragon's mind being fused together.
I sure wonder what will happen when Serrault/Sureau + Kabron's Party inevitably meets up with Laius' party
It seems to be setting up an inevitable confrontation if anything. Though, its highly likely that in such a case, samurai guy will side with Laius' party
I dont think Kabron's party will stand a chance in that case
And in the following 2 chapters that never came up, so that's bullshit.
She opened the other eye soon after so if the author wanted to make a point she would've drawn more focus to it.
Obviously she was going to hold her throat when it was filled with blood.
Remember that before the whole incident with Farlyn getting eaten, Laius' party is still one of the many adventuring parties who went down the dungeon for a reason, which is very likely the whole inheritance thing
Though, in their case, I find it pretty likely that they are just curious about it
Farlyn went away with the supposed dungeon master and is at least partially under their control, so at some point Laius' party will end up having to go against the dungeon master to get Farlyn back.
If they defeat the dungeon master, surely someone will have to inherit the title.
>samurai guy will side with Laius' party
They turned Farlyn's corpse into a dragon with forbidden voodoo and now she's one of the sorcerer's slaves. Brown boy will goad samurai into killing Laius or something.
How long until Laius goes nuclear? He's already been reprimanded by his party for his desire to taste humanoid flesh.
Im annoyed how some millenia old dragon never ever lost an eye when someone with the arm strenght of a 10y old could pucture it from 30m away with a hazardly thrown kitchen knife thats spinning.
If something they extended her life time, seeing how late the samurai guy is his party wouldn´t have even found Farlyn´s corpse, it would be ashes by the time they got here and Farlyn would have died without any chances of saving her.
If Farlyn was just dead it wouldn't be such a big deal, they'd all sit down and apologise to each other for being such failures. But Farlyn has been resurrected as a monster servant and that's gonna look bad.
Laius when not distracted with something else, is still plenty strong. Tough he is most definitely focus his experience in dealing with monsters.
MurderHobo Kabru might have more experience in humanoid vs humanoid combat.
Just to note, Our point of view on Laius is from his party which considered high ranking party, from
>Top of magic school class and Ancient magic using marcie,
>to gifted casually using high level spell healer faryln,
>to capable and turns out to be influential chilchak,
>to highly capable fighter that immediately hired by influential gnome, Namari
>to shown to be deadly Sureau.
Compared to "died somany times out of sheer lack awareness and knowledge of know how to deal with stuff in dungeon", Kabru party.
If Laius party have no compunction to kill another humanoid party for some reason, the fight might be more one sided with Laius party trouncing kabru party..
Nevermind its clearly a magic knife that magically changes momentum from a spin to straight forward because its a magical dungeon in a magic world.
The dragon is a dumb drute, literally meant to only serve the sorcerer.
They did merge, it's why Farlyn responds to the sorcerer and the sorcerer recognizes her. Just the dragon has no discernable personality of its own beyond subservience.
Chilchak is pretty funny and makes me wonder if the author knows any lawyers. Chilchak's moral code is pretty similar to many laywers' you see. He honors contracts and he never accepts anything for "free" because he understands that nothing is really free. Instead he puts everything in clear terms and with the money on the table, which makes him extremely honest.
He also understands the importance of the guild and wants the halflings to be properly unionized so they can't be mistreated.
He's actually the most Lawfully good out of the Thorden party (pretty ironic considering that he's a thief).
Member of his party is pretty much openly manipulate a Kobold to follow their bidding and they are ok with it.
Not to mention that said member is opposing the efforts on making halflings more organized and less shady because "Fuck that,cause it means less money for me".
And this party somehow thinks they are the most holy group there... They are bunch of Neutral Evil that somehow thinks that they are Lawful Good.
>Crusaders in a nutshell.
Yeah they clearly skipped the panels where chillack missed the knife, it dropped off a cliff, the dragon frantically went after it while it lost its initial spinning motion and went into a freewall, then the dragon flew under it, let it drop into its eye, flew back up to the exact same spot where everyone was waiting for it and started screaming in pain.
That explains everything.
Considering the statement it seems so.
Spirit here have tendency to gather and gain somesort of sentience with hive/group think.
Hence the fear of it to get polluted with other spirit
But then, it means he enslave spirit somehow. We haven't seen those here and the other gnome pretty much treat spirit like a lesser deity.
You know, Cabron and his party think that Laius' party are dirty thieves for stealing their 'treasure'(bugs), here I am wondering what a funny moment will it be once they are confronted and Senshi or somebody tries to explain that those are treasure bugs, not treasure, and are what caused their paralysis
I doubt jerkass brown guy will buy it but hey
Apparently he is trying to organize the Halflings and make them less shady by making them faithful member of a guild.
Not to mention Chilchak himself is pretty faithful to his contract. Payed upfront and he will see it through, even it means he had to go to the dungeon with no supplies what so ever.
Of course then we see a halfling that bitch "that means less money for me, fuck that"
Isnt different POVs beautiful?
Halfling in their party thinks that Chilchak is just a greedy money grubber, like all the other halflings when she fits the in-universe halfling stereotype better
>it never changed trajectory,
It penetrated in a way only possible if it was never spinning to begin with. Hope this image illustrates the problem better.
Most likely that Laius' party already forgot the whole thing, causing some initial confusion at first. Then just when Kabron is about to accept the treasure bugs explanation, he finds out that Laius is friends with the orcs.
You see how the cut is clearly LARGER than the knife? That's because when the knife arrived it wasn't perfectly straight, thus providing a wider cutting surface, and it then ROTATED into its final position, lodged in the eye.
I don't care what the speed lines or what not show.
One panel shows Chilchack throwing the knife at the dragon's eye, the very next shows the knife sinking into the dragon's eye.
The author's intent is so blindingly obvious it would be blatantly retarded to argue otherwise.
this nigger serious?
people throw knives with spin all the time, just search knife throwing on youtube.
the knife is moving way faster than it's spinning, at point of contact the spin is almost negligible compared to the forward momentum driving the knife into the target.
knives specifically designed for throwing are either thrown without spin or have a high chance of hitting blade first. normal knives where blade length is similar to handle length, 50 50 chance of a bounce for an untrained user. don't know the chances for a experienced knife thrower, or if they can avoid bounces entirely.
They're not even speedlines you actual retarded nigger.
The lines are all around the frame pointing inwards to accentuate whatever is happening. Two unfortunate ones happened to line up with the hilt, but this is no excuse to misunderstand because it's so fucking obvious what was intended. Take a look at yourself in the mirror and neck yourself.
>Though, its highly likely that in such a case, samurai guy will side with Laius' party
Farlyn's dead and Sureau will flip out. Cabron will manipulate him that way to defeat Laiu's party as soon as he realizes he can't beat them with his usual sucker punches and surprise attacks.
I'll stay with Neutral Evil for Cabron. I also love how we call him Cabron.
>Faggots discussing about how a rotating knife can be embedded straight into a dragon's eye
Fucking here! Literally the first video when I searched up throwing knife videos. You can clearly see the knife rotating mid-flight and embedding themselves point-first into the wood. Fuck all of you.
Well look, Cabron means like motherfucker, coward, bastard and cuckold among others
While hes not a cuckold(yet) and is probably not a coward, it accurately conveys how we want to punch him in the face
>Chilchak is pretty funny and makes me wonder if the author knows any lawyers. Chilchak's moral code is pretty similar to many laywers' you see. He honors contracts and he never accepts anything for "free" because he understands that nothing is really free. Instead he puts everything in clear terms and with the money on the table, which makes him extremely honest.
I should stop hanging out on sadpanda because that gave me some naughty thoughts.
>"Don't worry Chilchak, the food is for free."
>"NO! There is no such thing as a free lunch."
>"W-why are you undressing?"
>"Isn't it obvious? I'm gonna pay you with my body, you disgusting human!"
They're throwing cooking knives with 1 flat sharp edge with no piercing tip.
I dunno, he doesn't sound like a fighter sometimes. What the hell is up with this? It's Cabron's hobby to spy on people and make shit up about them? The fuck?
Ever heard of Gold-/Magic Find characters in Diablo 2? I guess it's something like that. Or, wait, wasn't there talk about low level adventurers just stripping to gold and valuables off the dunegon walls in the first levels? Somewhere in the first chapters?
>Reread the latest chapters that feature the main party
>They are heading back to the surface for restocking
Suddenly I am reminded that a confrontation is getting even more inevitable at this rate
I think its closer to a mining operation really
Of course, in this universe, its probably also likely there are monsters in the mines so thats where adventurers come in
>no piercing tip.
If you've used a kitchen knife, especially one that looks like a Santoku variety, you'd know that they have a piercing tip.
Not that it matters if it's rotating with the sharp edge impacting on the surface that it penetrates.
if you're good enough at knife throwing you can control the spin enough to rotate the knife to a specific angle by the time it reaches the target. it's exponentially harder when the target is moving and you don't have much time to judge distance but were talking about a professional halfing rouge
How good is Laius at fighting, anyway? He spends more time thinking about what everyone's flesh tastes like than he does swinging a sword. He's probably the most multi-classing party member even compared to Senshi.
So, how is it possible for Chilchack to be old for a halfling(called an old geezer by another halfling and is offended when people thought he was younger than them)
And yet seems like he didnt know about 'stamens and pistils'?
That or his horrified reaction to Senshi telling him all that is him not wanting to listen to it all over again
exposition is nice and all but when it comes from the characters that you despise the whole thing has a very sour energy about it. It also doesn't help that these shitheads take up chapters two months in a row.
>He spends more time thinking about what everyone's flesh tastes like than he does swinging a sword
Well considering he need to fight and kill them first, he's pretty tough
>That or his horrified reaction to Senshi telling him all that is him not wanting to listen to it all over again
Jesus, I thought the joke was pretty obvious. Senshi thought he was just a little kid and wanted to give him The Talk.
He seems proficient, if somewhat unorthodox.
You can't fault him for dedication or sheer willpower though, dude intentionally shoved his leg into a dragons maw in order to get a shot at killing it.
>knives specifically designed for throwing are either thrown without spin or have a high chance of hitting blade first
See if i was fantasy writer/artist i wouldn't care for that shit and just do something that i've seen in movies. I would probably do the same if it was /k/ manga. It's all about the drama, making a research for such small things wouldn't even come into my mind.
Newbie Laius is cute with his leather armour.
Plate never made sense to me anyway, 99% of adventuring is walking around. Unless you're preparing for imminent battle. plate is going to be a liability.
Prevalent enough that there are dragon hunting expeditions.
In the dungeon, there's most likely a bunch of smaller dragons in addition to the big red dragon that the Thorden party managed to slay.
Judging by the first chapter, and how nonchalant Laius was initially in the fight against the dragon, this battle wasn't his teams first rodeo with a dragon either.
Historically, knights even slept in their plate. The armor smiths made sure it was comfortable to wear all the time, people sometimes thought the smiths were wizards because the stuff they made was so fucking awesome.
Depends. In D&D (at least 2nd edition), fighters get a bonus for followers and hirleings, iirc. They are more like soldiers, or generals if high level.
But spying out other people? Nah.
>Names I've heard in this thread
What is wrong with you people?!
Fuck off Cabron, go think about how are you going to piss in Sureau's ears next month.
Woops, I wrote that reply a while after reading your post, and forgot you were talking about Kabru's spying on people.
I guess at most you could consider it as a quirk. Being aware of other people's intentions and analyzing their psychology are common traits in both sociopaths and effective leaders.
If you took Kabru's negative outlook on humanity out of the equation, he might've been a really thoughtful and considerate dude who would help people before they knew they even needed it.
The Chief's sister says that's because the Sorcerer just rez the dragon if he's killed anyway, and punishes thoses who killed him in the first place. This isn't because the Dragon is too strong of an opponent by himself.
He's telling the truth.
Sometimes, knights wouldn't remove their armor because it was such a fucking chore to get in and out of that particular design, so they just kept them on until they started rusting.
It's actually a major contributor to why you go for lighter designs of armor even when "more defense" is available.
Sorry, forgot to answer. Among others, some sources are the regulations for the Teutonic Order, the orders of Henry V at Agincourt and the Psalter der Mechthild v. Anhalt. And images from medieval books also show knights sleeping in their armor, from chain to plate and everything in between.
This is wrong and five minutes on youtube could show you how wrong it is.
The only armor that could feasibly be cumbersome enough to hinder your movement in a noticeable way was the tournament sets, which were extra reinforced and specialized towards tournament games (men crashing into each other on horseback).
Also another fun fact: full armor and guns are actually contemporaries.
Can't find it, but there's another video out there of a person scampering around a rock climbing wall with relative ease in full plate armor.
This video should dispell some of your notions however.
>Be a peasant levy maining the walls
>Hear thunderous clanking when knights scale the building
>CLANK CLANK CLANK
Must have been fucking terrifying to here. Not to mention how they were so well protected against ones weapons and had years of training/experience while you might have had none
Knight were basically licing tanks. Imagien an olympic athlete, only his sport is killing you. Now put him into steel clothes and give him a weapon that can smash your bones like brittle wood.
>Most often it doesnt hit blade first and just bounces off harmlessly.
we are talking about a thief, probably competiteve knife trower, not an edgy child that is trowing bread knives
Read chapter 10 again. Cabron's posse was always manipulative assholes.
>Innkeeper compliments them on being up-and-coming rookies, maybe they could finish the dungeon
>Cabron is like "What? us? No way! Haha!"
>As soon as they're alone, they call the innkeeper an imbecile and admit becoming the new overlords was their plan all along
I dunno, they rub me the wrong way.
>having to aim for gaps
It's not that hard after you shaked that helmet with a poleaxe or a mace/hammer and your foe is lying half unconscious.
And much more productive then keep bashing that hunk of steel.
>Or if they get mired in mud
Generally didn't happen. Knights weren't stupid and you really need a big kind of swamp to immobilize them anyway. Also keep in mind cavalry generally avoids swamps.
Plate armor was actually less expensive and easier to produce than chainmail, which is just a fucking hassle to make. Also, the protection made you pretty much invincible against conventional weapons, considering the average knight was a fucking monster in melee (see: Muslim reports on European knights, which likened them to wild animals who knew no fear and had superhuman strength). In the end, most went with plate as soon as it was available because it combined the best of both worlds - cheaper and better than chain.
So Mick is a girl? How can you tell? I mean, Chilchak has short hair, but Mick?
>History of armor is a constant strife to put even more armor on a knight.
So there is a part of "armor is handed down from father to son", is because its "difficult" to get a new one.
It happend of course but that was not a rule or something.
Not to mention that there were times when father is still in active duty while his son already has been knighted and he needs fucking armor.
>History of armor is a constant strife to put even more armor on a knight.
Thats not true though. History of armor has always been about weight/protection ratio, not about mindless increase of protection
Plate armor shouldn't be that hot. What creates the heat is the padding you wear underneath, and plate should be using less padding that earlier mail armor.
You can overheat in armor of course, but that's only because you can overheat in other pieces of clothing as well. The big problem is really that armor might be a bit harder to get off while you are shuffling in the mud together with another bunch of guys that want to kill you.
Weight distribution is a THING also I didn't mean they put layer after layer of sleet mindlessly.
But if you compare 11th, 13th and 15th century knihgts you will see increasion of "amount" of steel on them.
I think there is two history point of view here,
One being, The History of armour technology advancement. The design evolution, defense/weight and stuff
Two being, The History of the actual armor usage. The actual armor being use and owned by knight in certain time period.
It's a bit different point of view.
>they spent a whole chapter going from "Laius' group might not be bad" to "they're terrible people and money grubber" just by talking and warping the truth between themselves to satisfy their own desires.
but that's completely understandable
anyone would do that
Marcille is chaotic good
>Essentially a good person, but isn't bothered by laws such as "you shall not resurrect people using the dark rituals"
Senshi is chaotic good
>Essentially a good person, but does not bother with participating in society
Laius and Farlyn are neutral good
>Good people who sticks to the path of least resistance when it comes to the customs of the land
Chilchack is lawful good
>A good person who values contracts, social constructs and order.
The Brown Bomber
>Lawful evil (who thinks he's good). Cares for order, his idea of justice and society. Is essentially selfish and feels no sympathy for others or remorse about causing harm.
>Neutral. Not a bad person and shows concern towards others. Won't stick out her neck out of the goodness of her heart though.
The Dark Elf
>Chaotic evil. A crazy fuck who doesn't care about murdering others as long as his own impulses are satisfied.
That was supposed to be a joke.
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND POST BEST GIRL
>Implying Dark elf is evil
Shes chaotic neutral.
She kills people whom she thinks are going to harm her subordinates, she protects them in her mind. Also everyone in the dungeon is in her turf, trying to make money out of her friends kingdom.
That being said, adventurers are literally sent in to get her head and her spellbook. Dark elfs actions are solely for self defense, the protection of her property and souls residing on it.
Her actions have a reasoning behind them, she even let the Laiuses group to escape. She controls the dungeon and no hatch would suddenly open without her will involved
Don't worry, some months ago it was the orc girl, before that Farlyn. Marcille will always reign supreme.
A bit incomplete but she got front armor, shoulder and hip plate,
Though it's true that both CN and CE includes crazy people, and that someone too crazy to realize they are doing something bad can stay CN while committing evil acts, this is not the case with the Dark Elf.
The dark elf clearly knows that he keeps residents (including the king) imprisoned and he doesn't seem to mind. This means he doesn't care as much about the kings well being as he cares about him being well as a result of being in control of the king. Placing yourself before others is a selfish act, which when combined with hurting others makes you evil according to dnd standards.
Kabru himself has good intentions and wants what's best for the island. I'd argue he's more of an extreme lawful good than a lawful evil.
Talking about that brown dude's party:
They have two humans, a dwarf (female), a halfling (female), a kobold (male), and a gnome (male). The mage and Kabru seem like they're a couple, and the female halfling is "employing" the kobold. What are their classes though?
Kabru's probably a warrior like Laius, the female human is an Eastern mage, the halfling is probably a thief, both the dwarf and the kobold seem to be barbarians, and the gnome seems to be able a summoner.
The way Kabru's party was talking about Laius' party, it gives off the impression that they don't have the best reputation on the island.
Her armour is like, poor samurai's "anything goes" armour given to an attendant, only front breastplate. Layout looks like a poor Genpei/Muromachi era Do, but her Do is later Sengoku-era plate instead of the old lamellar construction.
>This means he doesn't care as much about the kings well being as he cares about him being well as a result of being in control of the king
This is projection. We dont have any shred of information about the nature of elf-king relationship except for the brief painting chapter.
>The dark elf clearly knows that he keeps residents (including the king) imprisoned and he doesn't seem to mind.
We dont know anything about the spell either. It could be irreversible for all we know. Also, it could be a situation where Person A doesnt know that Person B wants him to pull the plug at the hospital bed.
We do know that ghosts cant communicate with the elf as we havent seen any dialogue. Ergo, Dark elf isnt evil but just misunderstands the situation thanks to cultural differences between short and long lived species
He might not realize that they just want to pass on, but he's clearly treating them as if they belong to him. This sort of possessiveness is pretty evil considering the elf's complete callousness.
Kabru hasn't done anything completely damning yet, but it it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and flies like a duck, it's a fucking duck.
Someone who is genuinely good doesn't assume the worst about people and does not get giddy at thought of "outing" them as evil or administering "justice".
The guy is a sadist.
>He might not realize that they just want to pass on, but he's clearly treating them as if they belong to him. This sort of possessiveness is pretty evil considering the elf's complete callousness.
Not that anon but in medieval times serfs did belong to the king. From our modern standpoint its evil but everyone back then thought it was competely normal
>Kabru himself has good intentions and wants what's best for the island. I'd argue he's more of an extreme lawful good than a lawful evil.
Laughing. The guy is a murderer, a cheat and a skilled manipulator.
They're the dude who got poisoned by the basilisk and his elf chick companion who cried tears for him.
They're scrub adventurers.
They and their entire party got defeated and killed by the man-eating plants a few days later.
dnd morality is basically modern though, with some allowances for how you punish criminals (for instance it's probably alright for a paladin to kill known criminals without a fair trial).
Most medieval societies simply weren't good according to dnd definitions.
They were killers and I seriously doubt that, if they knew that Cabron knew about their scheme and were in position to kill all the party and sink they corpses they would've hesitated.
Stop trying to imply Cabron was in the wrong here. He's wrong about a lot of things but not about killing a bunch of thieves.
>They were killers
Nope, they were thieves.
>Stop trying to imply Cabron was in the wrong here.
We're not implying that Cabron is a cold-blooded asshole and murderer. We know he is. Re-read the earlier chapters, it's already lampshaded that this group is weird annd douchey.
Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep, except this time they won't try to revive us to get paid for us or take our bodies back to the surface to get paid from the governor, they'll just dump us in the lake so we can't reveal their scheme.
I suppose the most morale decision is to kill/capture the bandits and bring their bodies back to the surface themselves (to get revived if they're deads) so they can be put in a fair trial but that would've been a time-consuming matter, a dangerous trip (considering they already get wiped without having to carries prisoners/dead corpses around) and in the end it's their words against the other group's.
I actually know shit about both dnd morality and laws and crime in medieval times. That's why I know you can't actually combine the two, and discussing what people actually did during medieval times have very little bearing on dnd morality, which is actually based more on modern western fiction.
>Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep
I can't imagine they'd be able to logically seek vengeance on a group they've intentionally tricked to try and kill them.
>I actually know shit about both dnd morality and laws and crime in medieval times.
Says the American.
>Let's eradicate them so they can never be ressurrected because there may be a chance that low-level thieves try to mess with our murderhobo party again. Maybe. Well, probably not, but I just love to kill lowbies.
>Nope, they were thieves.
Nope, they make money by reviving dead adventurers and getting paid or bringing dead bodies back up the surfaces to get paid by the government.
Nothing illegal here apart from the part where they cast illusions to make adventurers kill each others and collect their corpses or when they offer to kill their knocked out comrades to get money from the surface.
Not quite sure about his alignment but,
Kabru had delusion of righteous grandeur that then take form in fluid morality which basically boils down to "i'm the only one that is right."
He didn't particularly care about the actual law, very much willing to break it and go through the extreme to deliver his "rightful justice."
He still had some standard but judging from his past action, push come to shove, he will break it.
He is highly prejudiced, manipulative, and gathered basically shady yesman to follow him in his party.
Despite of his righteousness, he seems to be willing to overlook things or two as long as it work in his favor
Currently in progress in manipulating Sureou to be on "his prejudiced side",but i have a feeling that the author is setting up an event that will bruise his ego badly in near future.
Morality in the wizardry world of Dungeon Meshi, public relations, the grand scheme of the mad elven sorcerer, the re-appearance of samurai warrior Sureau and his band of oriental waifus, Kabru and his party's world view, and reminiscing about older chapters.
There is a law,
He could "kill" them, stash the body somewhere safe and report it.
>"fuck that, I'm the fucking hammer of justice. Permadeath for you lot"
>"Yeah kabru, you always right."
It's a shady lawful stupid alpha with bunch of yesman. Story wise it couldn't end well for them.
So, we now have currently four main parties.
>get out alive of dungeon for another attempt at saving sister
>eat the dungeon inhabitants
>defeat the dungeon
>save the island
>become king of the forsaken kingdom
>unearth the secret of immortality
>affiliated with the island governor
>seeks to strengthen the independence of the island against the encroaching elf kingdom
>rescue Farlyn Thorden
And perhaps Donny and Fionil's party
>get eaten by plants
Well they are in straight collision course with
>A dwarf who literally lives lower in the dungeon than they've ever reached
>The veteran thief of the thief's guild
>A dark mage who dueled the master of the dungeon
>A literal madman who fucking SLAYED a dragon
People keep saying that Kabru could take Laius in a 1v1 since Laius has never shown any particular sword skills, but I honestly doubt that will happen. Personally I believe Laius simply on another level, it's just hard to tell since he makes the stuff he does look too easy.
The scrub party's only advantage is their numbers.
>He could "kill" them, stash the body somewhere safe and report it.
>Oh yeah, good idea, let's leave the bodies for everyone to see. That way if they're luckies and get revived later they might come and kill us while we sleep, except this time they won't try to revive us to get paid for us or take our bodies back to the surface to get paid from the governor, they'll just dump us in the lake so we can't reveal their scheme.
Cabron is a jerk but you're a moron and you're just looking for more reasons to hate him.
The brown guy is an assassin not a monster hunter, look at how he bodied the crooks without even a weapon in his hands. Its the lack of dungeoneering knowledge that is letting them down.
This girl and that guy nobody cares about.
>Personally I believe Laius simply on another level
The problem is in point of view. we sees laius dicking around from a high level party point of view. But even then he sheer knowledge and capability is still pretty awesome to them.
One time we sees laius from low level party point of view (the snake chicken recipe) he with help of senshi can easily slay one monster that about decimate their entire party.
tough he did it in "laius way" which visually doens't look as awesome as kabru vs corpse hunter.
Judging from his action and personality shown, he seems very much willing to sacrifice them for his "greater goal".
Not to mention it seems he gather bunch of yesman for his party for the eventuality anyway.