Ghost in the Shell 2017

Normalfag answer: Muh whitewashing
Real answer: Boring shit that wasn't faithful to its source

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Because they hired a landwhale for the main role.

>>>/tv/

>>155902392
>wasn't faithful to its source
This is my biggest issue with it. They changed the Major's character so that she's literally just some random ghost hacked protestor constantly worrying about her insecurities.

>>155902595
>Revenge porn at the end
At least the Takeshi car scene was enjoyable. Can't say it makes up for the rest of the I CONSENT bullshit.

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here is what I would have done, if I was producer.

>cast rinko as the major
>anyone else, excepting batou, that wasn't asian, gets replaced by an asian actor from 47 ronin or last samurai.
>direct faithful adaptation of the manga story, Dumb Barter.
>prologe is the scene where you see the major in dress uniform, in her boyfriend's apartment, and gets attacked.
>roll opening credits and during this we see the major's body being repaired. While this is happening we can see her thoughts and its is sort of a introductory highlight reel of who the major is.
>sprinkle some puppet master, laughing man, or kuze easter eggs through out the movie. to set up story for any sequels.

this is a nice way to ease normies into GitS. Dumb Barter is not a "muh philosphy" story. Just Section 9 being goofy and violent against some Narcos and narcotics police.

>>155902250
What the hell makes you think live-action pigs in suits belongs on this board?

>pretty good
>8/10
Go back to where ever you are, faggot.

>>155902794
>anime and manga board
>live action adaptation of a classic and wildly popular anime

You keep asking questions with obvious answers

>>155902392
I watched the old 1995 movie and it was actually pretty faithful in the broad strokes, they basically used it to storyboard the new film

>>155903011
Edge of Tomorrow is still a better and more faithful adaption. even though it plays looser in some parts.

>>155902470
I'd say she's chubby, but her body doesn't look that bad at all.

>>155902933
>op talks about the live action
>nothing about source
>probably didnt even watch the anime series at minimum
>8/10
Fuck off.

>>155902470
Scarlett Johannson is a Jewish skeleton as are most Goylywood actresses.

I'm not liking Death Note's live action adaptation either.

Light Turner.
Only /pol/ has a problem with Black L.

>>155903190
>anons can't talk about shit I dislike even when rules allow it
No you fuck off, right back where you came from.

>>155903269
Well L's key physical characteristics are hard to display with a shaved black actor.

>extremely pale skin because he's always indoors
>dark circles under his eyes from lack of sleep
>messy hair since he doesn't care about his appearance

>>155903632
I'm still subscribing to the notion that Black L is actually the guy who gets killed off at the very beginning in the press conference before real L is like "Gotchu, senpai".

It would be a delightful twist if they pulled it off right.

>>155902250
I liked it too but like everyone is saying it was hurt by actually being called ghost in the shell.
If they had branded anything else it would be at least 5/10.
Plus you have all mess that jamming roughly three movie together makes.
>"Help us, please, help us" is never brought up again and really sticks out as something that should at least have been delved into
>The entire chase and garbage man scene is twisted into a context that is a little jarring and even though they say he was given false memories they never really explain the circumstances
>We are told even if her boyfriend dies he is just synced into his brain system and he even brings it up when dying robbing that moment of real weight, this could have been easily improved by having his voice appear after the body powers down and say he'll be watch over her.

It is a fun watch but lookingg at it critically like reviewers are suppose to it is kind of a mess.

>>155902250
>Why do reviewers seem to hate this so much?
No nipples.

>>155903228
Spooky scary skeletons
Send shivers down your spine
Shrieking skulls will shock your soul
Seal your doom tonight
Spooky scary skeletons
Speak with such a screech
You'll shake and shudder in surprise
When you hear these zombies shriek
We're so sorry skeletons
You're so misunderstood
You only want to socialize
But I don't think we should
Cause spooky scary skeletons
Shout startling shrilly screams
They'll sneak from their sarcophagus
And just won't leave you be

Spirits supernatural
Are shy whats all the fuss
But bags of bones seem so unsafe
It's semi-serious!
Spooky scary skeletons
Are silly all the same
They'll smile and scrabble slowly by
And drive you so insane
Sticks and stones will break your bones
They seldom let you snooze
Spooky scary skeletons
Will wake you with a boo!

>>155902470
Spoiler that shit next time

>>155903156
>Edge of Tomorrow
witch one? surely not mec-suit cruise and the time aliens?

>>155902470
you know what a wire harness is?

>>155902470
THICC

>>155902392
>Real answer

Rather, it was all superficial and no substance. It makes casual gestures to the original and source material yet does not stay true to the themes nor explores them in ways that modern cinema can that anime as a medium cannot.

It's just another insulting to the viewers intelligence Hollywood money grab.

>>155903726
Nah, that would be too politically incorrect. Remember the guy they kill off is a prisoner on death row, they can't cast the only black guy in the film for that role.

It would be a really cool twist though.

>>155908561
Fucking this. The whitewashing shit people were trying to bitch about wasn't even that bad, I was more mad that they dumbed down the themes of the original movie so much. It was just a standard, pretty sci-fi movie that handholds you through everything.

Saw a huge billboard for this movie in port of spain, can't believe they didn't make much money when they had enough to advertise with the other big shot movies on this island.

>>155902250
it's not even a bad ripoff of Robocop with a GitS paintjob

>>155902392
>Boring shit that wasn't faithful to its source
what would you expect on a movie? all movies/series adapted to other sources tends not to be faithful, Even Game of thrones series isn't faithful to the source(book).

>>155902250

it wasn't as bas as most reviewers and anime fans made it out to be, but it had huge problems in the plot department, and with the changes they made to the source material.

It treats its audience like retards.

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Lost all it's philosophical teeth but goddamn those environments and props are worthy of being remembered

They made Batou's eyes look good in live action. That's not actually possible, they used some kind of black magic.

>>155902470
Her "acting" in GitS reminded me of Mass Effect

Movie would have been more enjoyable if she weren't in it

>>155902250

Man this shit feels like watching the reboot version of RoboCop that came out a few years ago.

>>155902470

kek

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>>155902392
What do actual Asians think of this whitewashing? I get the feeling it's just white people complaining
>mfw Vox actually called it fucking yellowface

>>155909780
People in Asia don't think anything about whitewashing because it's an american issue.

>>155909226
They made Batou's eyes look like normal camera apertures instead of futuristic lensless sensor things. It just made me wonder how bad his peripheral vision must be.

>>155902250
>go watch the movie
>haven't saw a single live action movie in so long that it feels unnatural for the characters not to be 2D
For fuck sake.

Why do these threads keep popping up everyday?
And it's always "not as bad as the reviewers say" as if presenting arguments that we haven't already seen before.
Is it the samefag that's making the same thread everyday?

>>155909780
Asians don't care.

Asian-Americans care.

Its the same case with Africans not giving a fuck about Black representation in media. Yet African-Americans do.

>>155909780
>it's just white people complaining
It's just SJW complaining, literally just a vocal minority on normalfags websites.

>>155910243
most likely. it seems when its about to die someone always bumps it to save it

yeah it was a decent movie. Sorry it couldn't feed you 2hrs for infomation instead of action.

Think a lot of anime reviewers are out of touch when it comes to good or bad Hollywood movies. Example Fast and and Furious furious not smart in the least yet it makes so much money

>>155911445
fuck ,that typo!

>>155909780
Most people, asian or not, don't give a shit. It's the same case with Ghostbusters 2016, just a few retards using it as a platform to yell about their pat cause and drowning out all other legit issues (mainly that the movie is mediocre/shit).

>>155911734
Yeah but in that case most people saw though "my femism" and were like it just a bad movie script wise, plot wise , character wise and unfunny.

>>155913629
They did see through it. Which is why although both GitS and Ghostbusters generated a lot of buzz on the net, when it comes to the actual box office, the results were abyssal.

>>155902250
ScarJo wasn't having fun at any point so neither did most of the people watching.

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>>155902250
>>155902595
I feel way differently about this. Because GITS always had different iterations of the Major and never had one solid continuity between the series.

I feel like they combined the original movie and Arise for this one. When you think about it, Motoko doesn't have one solid canon backstory and how she became a full body android differs from each version. I don't think Scarjo did a bad job for the Major especially since this major is probably the youngest iteration mentally. The whole "I consent" thing was apart of the brain suppression serum they were giving her.

It's pretty much the only way to make a GITS movie to be honest. People have their own preferred versions of GITS and you really can't please everyone. Mangafags, SACfags, moviefags, and arisefags will all complain about something.

Also when you think about the reason why she was so passive in this movie it makes complete sense and while the movie holds your hand in some places it doesn't hold your hand all the way through. I'm not saying it was subtle. Hell no, it wasn't subtle but it was a start.

My main complaints about the movie is that while the Major is obviously a younger version, they pretty much made her act completely autistic at times. A lot of the scenes were "REMEMBER THIS PART IN THE ORIGINAL MOVIE IT WAS SO COOL" and there was dialogue that was so terrible you may as well have just made someone say "she truly was a ghost in the shell". Fucking hell I think they did have a scene kind of like that.

Judging purely as a movie I'll give it a 6

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>complaining about adaptations "adapting" to a different medium and audience

>>155916140
So we should just be quiet and enjoy everything?

>>155917413
It means that "it's not like the original" is a vapid complaint.

>>155909780
I don't like ScarJo, but I would've been even more bothered if a Korean or Chinese actress played the Major.

Also this >>155910287

>>155917538
Depends on the actress.

>>155902516
Rule 4.

>>155920320
No one knows what that is.

>>155910287
>>155909780
Spoiler alert: the rest of the world doesn't care about American racial issues.

Where I come from you don't have racism to black people because literally NO ONE cares what collor your skin is.

>>155909780
Why would Asians care? They have their own movie and tv industries that make tons of content catered specifically towards them, they have no issues with representation in their own countries so when they hear about a Hollywood adaptation of one of their creations with a major Hollywood actor then that's a really cool novelty for them.

Asian Americans, though, grow up in a state of cultural limbo where they feel like they're never accepted as true Americans and they encounter countless little things on a daily basis that remind them of that but whenever they travel to Asia they're confronted with the reality that they're much more American than they are Asian.

Some people feel one of the causes of this problem is a lack of representation in the media. Asian characters are never given leading roles in Hollywood films, they're usually some nerdy side character who's often played off for comic relief though occasionally they're used as villains (usually in some really dated stereotypical way).

>>155922708
>Why would Asians care?
It is an embarrassment that Americans care.

>>155925476
Wrong. It was not well done in just bout any way other than set design.

>>155902250
The liberals win again.

>>155928540
It did way better than CISbusters

>>155902250
Saw the movie, haven't seen the anime.

Didn't like it, was actually really boring.
People praise the world build and technology, I found it boring with holograms everywhere. Few things got stuck in my mind. Fish bowl "google glasses" and bartender being half robot with outdated / rusty mehcanical parts as an arm.

Good things: The random japanese boss not actually dying (though he was really random as a character goes), the partner with robot eyes and last but not least, the alley way / slums before the invisible water pool fight. That was first time the world actually felt real, since completely futuristic world is just stupid as an idea. Same could also be said about the ring city for poor people.

Just my fast 2 cents.

>>155902779
Do the actors have to be asian for this to work? If they do, do they have to speak english or would you just sub everything? There has to be better way to do it.

Wouldn't you rather just relocate it to new york or something?

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>>155922508
>NO ONE cares what collor your skin is
is it brazil?

>>155922508
That is a lie.

>>155906331
Edge of Tomorrow was an adaptation of All You Need is Kill and managed to be pretty much that.
Ghost in the Shell was an adaptation of some shitty sci-fi corporation conspiracy script and managed to be Ghost in the Shell kinda.

>>155928540
How so? I heard it did mediocre in the box office.

>>155928828
I can't see Major as an asian at all. Cast some relatively unknown white actress that can actually play and not an emotion-faking robot like scajo.

>>155930991
>Edge of Tomorrow was an adaptation of All You Need is Kill
Edge of Tomorrow is based on All You Need Is Kill, not exactly an adaptation. Which is one of the reasons it worked. It never claimed to be an adaptation, so it's allowed to be its own thing and never worry about staying "faithful" to the original source.

>>155902250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1VGsL1tz9A
this explains just how bad those hollywood cucks fucked it up

>>155902250
It would've been okay as a standalone original movie, but it's an adaptation, so it will naturally be compared to the source material, which just makes it look lazy, dumb, and a bad pile of wasted opportunities.

>>155931529
Close enough.

>>155931702
what a geek

>>155909226
That's not proper cyberpunk.
It's just a bunch of neon to fill the space with pretty colours.
Where's the cramped feeling?

I got to see GITS '17, I went with no expectations other than I was going to watch a shitty PG13 class movie. and yet i left dissapointed.
Many people praise the visuals, but man, something is lacking. Its like everything looks plasticky
The story is a clusterfuck, the acting is meh at best, even Kitano looks like a muppet that nobody payed the minimal respect to, despite his role of head of S9.
had some free time and chose to watch some reviews, most are too gentle to this abomination, but what it activated my almonds in a bad way is watching some YT channels with "geek" and "nerd" on its names and some of its youtubers mentioning that they saw GITS '95 also and they liked it GITS '17 better.

The only good thing is that I highly doubt it they (hollywood) will ever touch GITS again.

>>155902250
The biggest problem I had with the movie was that it turned it into every generic Hollywood action flick.

Every problem in the flick caused by one asshole badguy? Check.
Badguy makes it a personal vendetta against protagonist? Check.
Team of "good guys" go around the system in full support of protagonist? Check.
Shitty love interest mini-plot? Check.

Honestly, I'm fine with them changing or re-interpreting when making a new movie. A new and different story is fine. Hell, going more into the Major and Batou backstories wasn't a bad idea. But just turning it into the #10,000th iteration of Die Hard is just terrible.

It's not as bad as the Robocop reboot, but it was fairly disappointing.

>>155936976
I will agree this was better than the Roboreboot.

>>155902250
$0.32 has been deposited into your account.

>>155902250
Ahh yes, I just got back from the cinema as well, OP.

What a good film that was! I might go as far as to say it was a "Kino"! I think the people in the thread complaining just didn't give it a fair chance. I'd recommend going down to your local cinema tonight, since it is a saturday after all, and purchasing a ticket.

I think hands down the best experience for this movie is to sit down with a loved one at the AMC Fork & Screen™ or if you are into seeing some big action on an even bigger screen, viewing the movie in IMAX™.

>>155902250
It treated a viewer like an idiot with the whole idea of transhumanism and how it presented it.
I mean, really? The literal first scene in the movie is someone telling our protagonist that she is still human because her GHOST, ergo a mind, is inside a SHELL, ergo a fucking robot. Seriously? I know that hollywood blockbusters aren't exactly known for being subtle about anything, but this movie fucking took the cake with how blatantly and juvenile it hammered into us the whole idea of a fucking "ghost", every fucking character used fucking word ghost instead of fucking spirit or soul like normal people do. Because apparently we are this stupid we wouldn't get the whole point of this movie.
The only good action scenes were also the the ones that started and ended the movie, the "i wanna give you seizures with lights on and off" in the severs felt like from some fucking B action movie, were the actors really this bad in the scenes?
And i didn't even watched or read original GitS, this american movie was pretty bad, at best mediocre.

>>155902779
You knoe what is the sad part of your post?
That some anon in a chink-chong imageboard can came out with a better way to deliver a GitS movie than those fuckhead in hollywood

>>155909226
>>155935396
That's not proper cyberpunk.
It's just a bunch of neon to fill the space with pretty colours.
Where's the cramped feeling?
Yeah, this
The admosphere in this movie is too clean

>make ghost in the shell film
>Change the Plot,
>Setting,
>And Characters (histories and personalities)
>Remove all complexity and subtlety

Ignoring all that they don't even make the film INTERNALY consistent

>Have the major whining about them "being able to see and erase her thoughts" as if this is a problem unique to her, but the movie shows other people with cyberbrains so how does that work?
>First time we see her she is seen panicking and being told to breath, later we see her diving without any mask.
>Motoko Kusanagi sounds like a pseudonym, with a meaning along the lines of "Mary Excalibur" that's actually her real name?
>Also Major is a rank, not a name. i'm surprised no-one pointed this out during the whole production process.
>Why is a 60 year old politician executing people?
>Why would a completely untrained civilian in a prosthetic body be useful to a counter terrorism unit anyway?
>Who was the random girl with the British accent?
>What the fuck was the whole consent thing when they can kill her at will apparently?
>What exactly was the motivation for the main villain? because if you successfully made a full body cyborg then great, why doesn't he just start selling the service to civilians / the military? why is it important she works in an anti terrorist unit? how does that help him? the only "flaw" with it is that the person retains their memories?
>hang on is this a reused Robocop script?

The dialogue was awful, the screenwriter apparently either decided that the concept of show-don't-tell is beneath them or more likely was never aware of it because you have the main character literally say "I am conflicted because I am like a robot" and have another reply "no because you have a human brain" Poetry!

I'm genuinely amazed by how bad this movie made me feel, I felt as if my optimism and happiness was drained from me over the course of the film.

Ignore the Shill OP This is genuine trash, watch SAC instead.

/Blog

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>>155909780
They care but it's only 2ch weebs. Saying only Americans are capable of being this retarded is turning a blind eye to their inherent racism. They get butt hurt enough that Noct in ffxv didn't have slanty eyes.

>>155941389
Candy bars that annoy me!

>>155940063
Not just some. Many.

>>155940211
>It's just a bunch of neon to fill the space with pretty colours.
That is not a bad thing.

>>155940970
>First time we see her she is seen panicking and being told to breath, later we see her diving without any mask
That was meant to be the first time she was "revived", so of course she would be panicked and confused.

>Why is a 60 year old politician executing people?
Science experiments, to create super soldiers.
Also, the plot really is that bad.

>Why would a completely untrained civilian in a prosthetic body be useful to a counter terrorism unit anyway?
To see if it can be done. Especially in combination with the brainwashing, if you can grab any bum off the street and turn them into a loyal supersoldier, then why bother destroying your talent?

>What the fuck was the whole consent thing when they can kill her at will apparently?
It is to trick Major into thinking that she was the one in control of the situation, so that she would comply with them.

>What exactly was the motivation for the main villain? because if you successfully made a full body cyborg then great, why doesn't he just start selling the service to civilians / the military? why is it important she works in an anti terrorist unit? how does that help him? the only "flaw" with it is that the person retains their memories?
Given that he runs an anti-terrorist unit, I'd assume the motivation is to create nearly indestructable, fully loyal soldiers on command. There's little reason to be handing that out to every joe shmoe on the street, especially when you might have to come up with a way to take them down once they have it.

The memory this is particularly stupid (there are plenty of actual cops dying, just use one of them) and I can only conclude it is because the villain must be mustache-twirling, by Hollywood logic. Just because the movie isn't as inconsistent as you make it out, does not mean that it is well written.

>Ignore the Shill OP This is genuine trash, watch SAC instead.
I've not seen SAC, but I agree 100%. It has to be better.

>>155902250
It was honestly not as bad as I expected.
That said the villain was such an obvious moustache twirling villain it got on my nerves.

While it certainly didn't capture all the plot and commentary of the original or the series as a whole, as a standalone it seemed ok, and I did like the scenes that paid homage to the film. In all honesty I don't really think there would've been a RIGHT way to make this movie and have it be successful.

>>155902250
I saw it and was decently entertained. The movie is forgettable but good enough. I guess it's mostly dissapointed people expecting a deep masterpiece.

Who else got into GitS after seeing the movie

desu I like SAC/2ndGig/SSS more than the movies

>>155947421
I watched the first movie and Innocence a long time ago. Honestly didn't care for them, although rewatching the original, it was better than I'd though.

I did pick up the manga, though. It's much more of a buddy-cop style story with the familiar cyberpunk aesthetics, as opposed to what was in the original anime movie.

>>155947717
One of the only issues I have with GitS is that everything's a different continuity. Personally I like the Major in SAC more than the manga, stuff like that

>GiTS 2017 Live Action Budget: $110M
>Box Office with US/EU/Asia sales: $132.4M
>$22.4M profit

This thing flopped pretty hard, but Production I.G. probably made a decent profit from the license to fund the new anime.

>>155949249
Haven't they had the license since the early 2000s?

>>155949249
I hope it'll be as good as SAC. Still don't know why they didn't produce a third season of that.

>>155949303

Market trends changed. 2005 into 2006, the number of mecha shows is absolutely staggering.

>>155928828
>>155931498
episode 17 of stand alone complex. the Major and Ape Face are in London for a conference. ape face is in a bank that uses wine as a means of storing value, and it gets robbed.

there is a scene with the major and a london woman in the same frame. they are both in profile. The london woman and the major have different skull shapes and skin tones.

>>155949303
What are the odds it turns out to be SAC 3rd Gig?

>>155949900
Zero as far as I know, it'll be something new.

>>155949544
To bad that there was no space for a good cyberpunk anime apparently. I would've loved to see SAC continue, there was so much possible content left.

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>>155950005
>Zero as far as I know, it'll be something new.
God dammit

>>155949778
it still gets me that people keep trying to argue that major MOTOKO KUSANAGI isn't Japanese

>>155949303
I heard someplace that SAC was the most expensive TV anime of all time, at 800 million yen per season. So that's probably why. Anime was falling off in popularity in the west (at least in terms of TV anime), SAC was a risky investment and they picked a good time to stop. If SAC continued that Production IG would probably no longer exist. All it would take is one season of SAC to flop and it'd be all over.

>>155950593
I could buy that. SAC had a lot of good production value. But would it be worth it nowadays?

>>155950464
Shirow's notes on like page 1 say that Motoko Kusanagi is not her real name.

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>>155950464
I haven't seen arise, but i know in SAC/SS and the mangas. the major is a little girl that loses her flesh body in japan.

here is shota Kuze before cyberization and cyber loli Motoko.

>>155950769
>tfw Kuze basically got murdered with no real answer
>in SSS the Major comes back to the unit with hints that there may be more to come
>there wasn't

>>155950864
2nd Gig is the perfect warning against taking in refugees.

>build island city for refugees
>give them all cyberbrains, prosthetic parts, and sometimes full bodies
>employ them all as much as possible
>refugees still giving Japan shit.
>want to break away
>sjw race traitor liberal Kuze is the leader.

>>155950627
Probably not but it depends. The GitS franchise actually isn't all that terribly popular in Japan (especially not in today's otaku-pandering climate) and has largely made its money on its international success. Westerners, especially Americans and Germans, LOVE GitS, probably more than Japan does.

So a new SAC (with production values on par with the first two seasons) MUST make its profit from overseas audiences watching. And you just have to accept that most of them are just going to watch it on Crunchy Roll. To my understanding, CR buys anime licenses at a flat rate for fucking peanuts so depending on your show being popular on CR is NOT a good way to make money.

But I think Turner Broadcasting (Cartoon Network / Adult Swim) actually owns Stand Alone Complex, they actually funded a lot of it. (Adult Swim actually used to fund anime back then, Big O season 2 was funded by them because it got good ratings.) So it's possible that they could cut a deal with Cartoon Network like they did with Space Dandy and actually air the official dub on Toonami around the same time or even before the show even airs in Japan. IDK how many people still watch Toonami these days, but it's possible that GitS could be the global success it used to be, if a bit of a long shot.

^^^Most of this shit is pulled out of my ass from memory based on some interviews I read a long time ago, so if anyone knows better, feel free to correct me.

>>155951167
Gouda was a fuckhead too to be fair

>>155951205
>IDK how many people still watch Toonami these days
I honestly would start watching TV again just for that. I hope they get the old cast back together too

>>155950864
>got closer with batou over the two seasons and in sss
>anime stops so we never see him get his girlfriend
Fuck the section 1 guy and the lesbian shit from the manga, operator deserves his girl

>>155951167
I recently had a woke-ass moment when I realized how much SAC parallels modern times. They had some damn smart writers.

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>>155951241

>>155902779
Are you me yes you are me!

>>155951267
there is a reason why cyberpunk has died out as genre. It became real life.

>>155951241
I never really saw a whole lot romantic between them

One thing I hope for more SAC is the other Section 9 guys getting more airtime. Saito was a cool fucker

>>155951295
Yea, I always thought it was heavily implied here that they screwed at least a couple times, even if they weren't really dating or romantic. Future values and all, the Major is a loose woman.

>>155951295
He really has bad luck. Looks like it's finally working out for him and then she get shot in the head a few minutes later.

It was everything I expected a big budget hollywood movie to be. After all the complaints I read on the internet it ended up exceeding my expectations. It wasn't kino but I enjoyed watching it.
The only thing wrong was the piss poor writing. Can't really expect anything else though because focusing the story on who the major is was easier than trying to write a script exploring what it means to be human.

>>155951491
Pretty much my exact impression. I came in with low expectations and it exceeded them. Not by a ton, but I did legitimately enjoy watching the movie, cringey writing and all.

>>155902779
Hire this man

>>155951344
Really? To me it always seemed as if SAC and the related novels implied that there was almost something going between them. The whole "is there someone you really trust" talk with kuze for example, or the end of the first season that someone posted an image from.

The other characters would've been good for more content, yeah. Just want to see them do their thing, no matter if its in section 9 or a spin off that shows them in their time in the military.

>>155951344
Do Paz and Bourma ever do anything in any iteration of the franchise?

>>155951617
Not that I remember. When Bourma defuses the bomb in SAC 2nd gig he talks about how he used to plant them during his time in the war, that's the only thing I remember about him.

>>155951574
>>155951617
I just think it's weird that you have this team of 7 or so elite operatives, and only 4 of them get significant air time. They gave Ishikawa a lot more screentime in 2nd Gig IIRC, and Saito had an episode plus a lot of time in SSS.

Meanwhile Bourma basically just iced that scumbag lawyer guy and diffused a bomb, and Pazu had that one doppleganger episode and nothing else really.

>>155951778
Pazu is basically just a really good criminal that gets tasked with doing things the other and more important members can't be bothered with.

>>155952045
Yeah he seems to just be the all around guy. I don't think we necessarily even need to see them doing a lot, but for instance when they're in meetings, it's almost always the Major, Batou, Togusa and Ishikawa talking, with the other three silent 75%+ of the time. I don't think I'd have the issue if Section 9 was this huge organization, but the fact there's just these 3 guys that hardly talk or anything is jarring

>>155931702
Holy shit what a faggot.
>a fucking leaf
Who the fuck could have predicted.

>>155952198
anime implies there are other Section 9 agents. as there are episodes showing them training recruits.

>>155952303
Yeah but that's more in 2nd Gig, and even then there aren't much. If there were a lot more agents then I guess I just didn't notice

>>155902250
the plot is quite bland and offers nothing new and/or exciting. that and the only thing the director is known for is fucking kristen stewart.

>>155952373
Mamoru Oishi's movie is used only as a story boarding guide.

>>155934841
says the guy who browses the 4chan anime board

>>155952261
everything he says is on point though, but i guess that doesnt matter when you can just say PEOPLE DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE WEEBS LOL.

>>155952469
Shut up, leaf.

>>155952469
I do it sarcastically.

>>155902470
They actually just had her just gain weight instead of build muscle for the role, baka

>>155955462
stupid filter, meant s.m.h.