>Be summoned to another world
>Instantly kill everyone in the summoning room
Why is this so refreshing?
There's nothing refreshing about anything isekai.
>>155891604
You just havent seen enough yet. LN might as well mean Isekai at this point.
>>155892701
Wortenia Senki
>High school student Mikoshiba Ryouma was summoned to a different world in the middle of a war. Sensing the malice from the one who summoned him (a summoner of the O’ltormea empire), he uses his martial arts to run away, killing important people of the empire during his escape. After the escape, he rescues two twin sisters from the hands of thieves. The sisters who can use magic, swear to serve him as subordinates. Thus, Ryouma begins his journey on the path of the supreme ruler.
How can that not excite anyone!
>>155892767
>refreshing
>generic isekai number 84347685
>>155891496
wasn't there something like this?
MC gets summoned by pig tribe and kills them all
>>155892767
Are you being sarcastic?
>>155892891
Yes, and its even the same basic set up (he uses martial arts and shit). Then he decides that he wants to build a harem of 100 slave girls.
>>155892944Of course
>>155891496
This is intereting. Shame the LN translation is dog shit though
>>155892891
There was also something like this where the summoners picked the short straw and summoned a bloodthirsty lunatic that slaughtered everyone in the castle because it was fun.
Now he wants to go on a murderhobo spree and start making everyone desperate enough to get good in their killing game because their techniques were shit
>isekai
>exp for killing
>harem
>adventurers guild
>mc is trained in instakill martial arts just because
>katana best weapon
Thanks for wasting my time.
>>155893094
Yobidasareta Satsurikusha ?
Isekai'd battle harem when ?
>>155891496
I just read chapter 2
This guy is an unlikable psychopath, just killing random innocents
>>155893370
>innocents
they are all bottom feeding aholes...
>>155891496
>muh katana
>>155891496
>Kill everyone in the room
Hardly refreshing. Go darker.
>Kill everyone in the room first
>Kill the nice shopkeeper
>Kill the cute Guild Girl
>Kill the straw adventurer archetype, take his harem, murder their vaginas, then kill the harem
>Kill time by killing more people you don't give a fuck about
>Train to kill stronger beasts by killing the soldiers that come after you
>Kill the goddess when you find her
>>155893726
Does what you described exist?
>>155893787
Not him but, i remember there was a manga about a demon king A-something that NTR'd the adventurer archetype from a harem and then made him into a servant
It's still shit though, lost of drama
>>155893187
>>exp for killing
>>harem
>>adventurers guild
>>katana best weapon
These are the worst offenders of any isekai. Why can't the japs just make a normal fantasy world?
>Japanese high schooler gets summoned to a fantasy world
>god that summoned him tells him that if anyone finds out he's from another world he will die immediately
>in reality everyone in the world is a Japanese high schooler that was summoned by god and they are all pretending to be from the fantasy world so they don't die
>>155891496
it isnt
>>155894324
You forgot the worst one
>God of cooking
>>155894324
What kind of normal fantasy world wouldn't have harems?
>>155892767
>High school student Mikoshiba Ryouma was summoned to a different world in the middle of a war.
Generic.
Understandable, gotta have conflict somewhere
>Sensing the malice from the one who summoned him (a summoner of the O’ltormea empire), he uses his martial arts to run away, killing important people of the empire during his escape
A MC that is already gud isn't as cliche as beta self insert, might be okay
> After the escape, he rescues two twin sisters from the hands of thieves.
Didn't even need to read the rest of it. Already ruined the story in the damn synopsis.
>>155894630
It's been 3 chapters and I still haven't seen the sisters besides like 2 pages at the start of the first chapter.
>>155894630
Are you gay? Cute girls make you drop manga?
>>155894701
It's one thing to have a harem which is bad enough.
But when you start your harem off with 2 girls at once, you know none of them are going to have character development.
>>155894753
That depends on how they're introduced. Saving girls from bandits doesn't put them straight into the love interest category unless the author's going for that. And again, why is the character development of eye candy supporting cast that important?
>>155894701
Name any of these isekai stories that don't bring in cute girls almost immediately.
Cute girls by themselves aren't bad, but their presence always seems for the purpose of pandering and/or moe. Can't ever have a protag be on his own or at least team up with 'regular' girls, they gotta be slaves or prestigious adventurers or some other cookie cutter role.
>>155894912
I don't disagree, but that's nowhere near enough to make a manga bad. I'm sure this isekai will be bad for a number or reasons, but eye candy can't possibly be a remotely major one.
>>155894849
Why should be bother with two random girls? Is there any more reason other than that they are cute girls?
>>155894849
>Saving girls from bandits doesn't put them straight into the love interest category unless the author's going for that
>Saving girls from bandits doesn't put them straight into the love interest category unless the author's going for that
Who are you trying to fool?
>>155894977
Ah, not the guy who said they would drop it, just thinking that one of the biggest warning signs of these is bringing in random cute girls 'just because'.
>>155894471
I want that
>>155894912
Dungeon Defense
First girlhates the MC for most of the first two volumes. Is actively trying to kill/enslave him at the beginning
Second girlrapes the MC multiple times. Also tries to kill him.
>>155895004
You don't need another reason.
>>155895004
None. But so what?
>>155895073
I don't know man, token cute grills aren't exactly uncommon in general manga of varied levels of quality. My point was simply that it's an odd reason to pick to suddenly decide a manga is shit.
>Guy in peaceful japan is capable of mass murder with his bare hands at the drop of a hat
How mentally ill was this dude.
>>155895183
He was wrestling bears.
>>155894912
>Name any of these isekai stories that don't bring in cute girls almost immediately.
I'm sure there's something out there, but I doubt it's translated.
I can only think of one isekai that doesn't instantly bring in the waifus off the top of my head, but it's Chinese.
>>155895097
Trust Koreans to out-isekai the Japanese.
>>155895221
>but it's Chinese.
That's even worse, it brings in powerlevel faggotry.
>>155895217
That's hardly equivalent to murdering humans in cold blood. I'm not questioning his combat strength, I'm questioning his mental capacity to murder people by the dozens.
>>155895183
Well I mean if they're trying to summon someone to use as a weapon in war this guy fits the bill.
>>155894912
>Name any of these isekai stories that don't bring in cute girls almost immediately.
Raising Children While Being an Adventurer
>>155895281
If it was a cute girl doing the murdering you'd love it.
You complain about generic faggots but once you put in someone nondescript with actual issues it's a problem?
What do you even want?
>>155894912
>Name any of these isekai stories that don't bring in cute girls almost immediately.
Name 10 manga that don't bring in cute girls almost immediately.
>>155895119
I don't have a problem with the current setup of the story as I see it from the manga (skilled high schooler becomes a murderer as he escapes the people who summoned him), but going from that to 'rescues and takes in cute girls' doesn't seem to be two things I'd expect from the same character. Maybe they will set it up in a non-contrived way in which he does want to take them in for some reason.
>>155895254
You can only choose between waifu faggotry or powerlevel faggotry.
>>155895237
Even the chinks out-isekai the Japanese. All the nip isekai is isekai for no reason. They just make it isekai so you can self insert easier.
>>155895352
Waifu it is, there's enough powerlevel faggotry in shonen.
>>155895334
Does it count if the MC is a cute girl(spider)?
>>155895331
>If it was a cute girl doing the murdering you'd love it.
So the best you can do is strawman?
Just because the guy isn't a generic beta doesn't mean his characterization isn't garbage. There's more than one type of garbage.
>>155895341
>I don't have a problem with the current setup
I think isekai in general sets the bar low enough to not make stuff like this a "problem", but you have to admit a 16-year old murdering half a dozen people with his bare hands, some which were innocent and not even resisting, is pretty questionable characterization. We're not talking about a veteran soldier here.
>>155895416
How is Kumo not a cute girl?
>>155895507
Well, she's the only one around. Does it count if it's only the MC?
>>155895097
>>155895237
>Super-edgy writer that tells kids that their dog is gonna die someday.
The bar is really low when talking about isekai, isn't?
>>155894324
What's wrong with an adventurers guild?
>>155895334
You do realize that is incredibly easy right? Not only are there a decent amount of shounen that fit the criteria (like HxH) there is a LOT of seinen that also does.
>>155895183
Superior nippon martial arts! At least they gave it away at the very start so I get to drop it before I waste too much time on onanistic bullshit. A character that faces no real challenges makes for a very dull story.
The only possible challenge this guy might face is another summoned person, but it seems like those people are enslaved from the start and will be hindered by that.
Magic might have been useful against him but his harem apparently can use magic. So they are going to be the obvious counter to the one thing that would have any effect on him.
>>155895610
Maybe I'm just fortunate, but I haven't read many real sausagefest manga.
>>155891496
>The concept of an isekai allows you to pick LITERALLY ANY KIND OF SETTING YOU CAN POSSIBLY CONCEIVE OF
>"So ours is a generic fantasy that's kind of like a video game except not
I don't understand. They're given every opportunity to show at least the bare minimum amount of creativity, but can't even muster that.
>>155895454
He's not exactly unjustified.
>>155895643
Well there's a lot of series that have female characters but they aren't nothing but a cute fanservice girls. Like Monster, BLAME!, Dorohedoro, Mushishi, etc.
>>155895695
Guy's built like a rock.
>>155895695
I can give killing the people in the room a pass, because they were hostile. But he snapped that kid doctor's neck like he was squashing a bug.
It's not plausible characterization for a 16 year old kid no matter what martial arts training he has.
>>155895610
Are you saying you didn't have the hots for Mito?
>go into isekai thread
>more than half of the posts are about people complaining
Every thread. I wonder when they will get tired of it
Is there any way to make an isekai that isn't shit, /a/?
>>155895903
There are already at least 2.
>>155895416
I dislike how like half of every chapter is skills.
I hear there's some justification for there being an RPG system in this world. But just because you have justification for taking a shit in a public pool, doesn't mean you should do it.
>>155895903
Sure. There's a few that are decent now, and many that were great before.
It's be easier if they didn't all follow the same masticated formula these days though.
>>155895772
Think about the situation, he's a wanted man and probably set to execution if found, why would he leave a witness in the middle of the damn castle?
>>155891496
Going full edgelord isn't an improvement.
>>155895895
You are free to discuss about the things you like about isekai and ignore complaining, though.
>>155895903
Instead of making a power fantasy, make a comfy adventure about exploring another world.
>>155896002
Then I would be just talking to myself
>>155895663
Allows crap writers to skip world building. It's hard to build a steampunk or cyberpunk or vaporwave world from scratch, but say "Dragon Quest world" and everyone knows what it'll be like.
Does Now And Then, Here And There count as isekai?
>>155894324
You forgot:
>Self references isekai cliches.
That's how you can really tell the market has been oversaturated.
>>155895565
Its a dumbass idea for fantasy that only works in video games as a convenient mechanic for the player character.
>>155896011
Hell, remove the demon king altogether. Just have the MC travel the world and explore.
I want an isekai with the following:
>main character isn't the only one summoned, people passing over are a known phenomenon
>the character can't speak/write the local language
>the character doesn't have a unique/special power
>it isn't a harem
>they don't shoehorn RPG stat blocks into it
Does Master Hunter K count as isekai?
>>155894912
I recommend Dungeon Seeker. As of Volume 3 he has no Harem yet.
I want a story about an averagely average dude doing average things and in no way must have anything but non-average friends with average personalities, or a step sister(that's not average), nor must he be skilled in one or a few things since that's not average at all and he must spend his entire life filled with divorces and breakups because that's average and he must die an average death
tl;dr I want a normalfag.
Go die.
>>155896138
But without the "Defeat the demon king" dragon quest plot, they'll have to come up with sometging original and that's beyond the writing abilities of most of these writers.
>>155895988
Because he's a 16-year old japanese boy, not solid fucking snake.
>>155894324
>>155893579
>>155893187
you're over exaggerating, he just prefers to use a weapon he's accustomed with in his training than other swords he hasn't used before
>tfw wrote a novel
>tfw realized my novel is isekai
what do I do /a/?
>>155895988
"No witnesses." Isn't an excuse for murder. What if he ran into a group of children during his escape? Would he be justified in killing them?
>>155896260
As long as you had fun writing it, it doesn't matter.
>>155895903
Right now way too many amateur writers publish their works on the internet and people consume them without any criteria or standard, making them great hits. I think the only way for this to change is for these writers to move to a new topic.
>>155896238
But I prefer solid snake.
Also he's not fucking average, guy's built like a tank and his teacher trains him with real fucking weapons.
>>155896260
Give us a summary. We'll tell you if it's good.
>>155896260
realize that you'll never get a good artist to do illustrations and nobody will care about your work
>>155891496
Shit taste is never refreshing it stinks
>>155896139
>the character can't speak/write the local language
I can't even think of one where this singular criteria applies.
Closest I can think of is Tsuki ga, where MC gets automatic translation for every language except the human language.
He ends up having to learn the human language manually, IIRC. Or he got it magic'd into him by a magical contract with a servant. Either way, he couldn't actually speak the language for a couple hundred chapters, and had to communicate through written text.
>>155895903
Isekai where literally everyone in the new world is secretly a reincarnated Japanese teenager afraid of their secret getting out.
>>155896263
Probably not, but he's got plenty to lose by keeping them alive.
He's not in Japan, whatever little moral ground he had was thrown out of the window.
>>155896238
Solid Snake isn't nearly that kill happy.
>>155895367
>introduces japanese character that dies within 5 minutes
>he is reincarnated but loses all his memories
WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT???? Reincarnation is bad enough when you can just make the character a native in the first place, but make him lose all his memories is the most absurd thing that could ever happen!
>>155896260
Do whatever you had plan to do with it. You already wrote it, anyway.
>>155896394
The shoujo "reborn as a villaness" type ones have this fairly often since they tend to be born as children and therefore can learn it offscreen.
>>155896394
Aselia.
Also to this date one of the best Isekai
>>155896075
How is it a dumbass idea? If there is a specialized, dangerous, and profitable job, then there is going to be regulation. At least to some extent.
The only thing dumb about it is how you often see adventure rank based on "level", which is RPG bullshit. But you can have a guild without that.
>>155896406
I've had an idea for a short story where everyone in a fantasy world is isekai'd, and people spend the first couple years of their life praised as a genius.
Then when they grow up, everyone reveals that they were just pretending to be amazed and they're just like everyone else.
>>155896438
I can't think of any Japanese isekais where the MC loses all the memory of their past life at the beginning.
>>155896361
>But I prefer solid snake.
Then they should have transported solid snake, not a 16-year old japanese school child. Training martial arts doesn't prepare you for cold blooded murder, you goofball. It explains his combat abilities sufficiently, NOT his willingness to take life indiscriminately and without remorse.
>>155896260
Keep writing. Writing is a skill like any other, you need to do it a lot before you get decent at it. Plus you might just attract a massive following despite how shit it is and make millions.
If Twilight fan fiction and a book that is literally blank except for the cover that reads "Reasons to Vote Democrat" can be best sellers then anything can.
You know what kind of isekai I'd be okay with?
Okay, so the MC is a normal Japanese guy who fucking hates his life. Dies, gets isekai'd. Super powerful, has cheats, you name it.
But it turns out that the world he gets transported to is completely peaceful. No demon lords, no malevolent monsters, no slavery. The kingdom has been at peace for hundreds of years. The MC, who just wanted a power fantasy where he kills monsters with no effort by day and fucks his slave harem by night, is fucking devastated.
But MC meets a few other people like him, who were given cheats and nothing to use them on. They got a second chance at life, but it's no better than their first one. They want power and they want it now. So they wage war on the kingdom, and the story is from the kingdom's POV.
In other words, a series where the person who is isekai'd is the villain.
Or maybe an isekai where the MC reincarnates in his own world
>>155896448
>The shoujo "reborn as a villaness" type ones have this fairly often since they tend to be born as children and therefore can learn it offscreen.
I don't think that's what anon is looking for.
If they learn the language in the prologue, then there's no practical difference, is there?
>>155896438
Loss of memories with a main character means you can introduce new concepts naturally to the reader instead of having to have an ignorant/uneducated person nearby to explain to.
>>155896438
Well, you can lose memories but still maintain skills. Now if you mean literally everything that made him/her what they were before, then yeah what's the point.
Case in point, Nobunaga no Chef has a MC that is an amazing cook but blanks out on almost everything else.
>>155896551
>I can't think of any Japanese isekais where the MC loses all the memory of their past life at the beginning.
I remember at least a couple. There is one where he is found in the woods and raised by a witch, goes to a magic school and is basically invincible because he used to eat dragon meat, and there is one where he used to be a programmer and use a kind of vague memory to program magic without really knowing what programming is. I am sure there is more, positively if you include LNs.
>>155896555
That's what we call psychopaths, or maybe he's already has experience.
You sure found a silly point to nitpick, instead of the guy taking out a room full of fully armored dudes with weapons barehanded.
>>155895903
1/ Worldbuilding anything but DnD ripoff. No dragons, castles, insta-rune magic with absolute no rules. Make the world as weird as possible, but also must keep some level of reality.
2/ No powerlevel and no RPG shit. I fucking hate that. Giving character ( or make it ) a job, trying to explain how (s)he/it struggles to fit into the society of the new world, if there is any.
3/ Making a decent magical system/ superpower. Do not let any loose that the character can abuse it. ( fuck re:zero ).
4/ Giving the character a purpose in the new world, has any problem (s)he/it can resolve ? Also, I don't think exceeding violence is neccessary, there are many ways to resolve a problem.
5/ Giving some degree of self-inserting.
>>155896011
>Instead of making a power fantasy, make a comfy adventure about exploring another world.
An awful lot of the japanese isekai webnovels make some poor attempt at comfy and end up being shit.
I'm not saying it can't be done, mind, just that Japan seems pretty bad at it. Lots of "lol I'm just here to fuck around, be lazy, accept the harem that falls into my lap from nowhere, and awe these savages with my superior japanese cooking skills and bidet toilet"
>>155896370
I'll greentext it because that's easier:
>the event that drew him over is obscured from him, thinking about it gives him severe migraines
>is in the slums of a large city
>doesn't speak the local language, is forced to be an illiterate beggar
>this continues for four months of his life
>caught stealing, as punishment they crush his hand
>heals badly, his left hand is now essentially useless
>slowly learns how to speak the language
>manages to convince the inn owner who lets him sleep on the floor in the common room in exchange for stolen firewood that he is a down on his luck foreigner
>convinces him he knows how to make better alcohol than anything around here
>sets up a distillery using more modern techniques (the guy was a chemical engineer specializing in food chemistry before the cross)
>embezzles as much money as he can
>gets the fuck out of dodge
>realizes he knows enough to raise this roughly renaissance era society up
>uses embezzled money to set up a work shop
>over six months reinvents the battery and the lightbulb (both actually easy if you know the concepts)
>catches the attention of local wealthy merchant
>contracted to make electric lighting for the man's home
>begins living there
>entire merchant's family and servants are killed and the main character abducted
>guys who abducted him take him to prison
>learns he isn't the only one who crosses over
>these guys essentially exist as an international clandestine organization to keep people like the main character from fucking over the world's developmental plan with out of world technology
>gets put onto a team with a chinese guy and a frechman, the main character speaks a bit of french
>the french guy is from the napoleonic era, the chinese guy from the 90s.
>learns that people from earth and else where cross over with some regularity, along with other things
This is getting long.
>>155896678
Well, you can introduce them as genius in the first place. They exist in our world, even. You don't need to be reincarnated to be above average or genius at something.
>>155896627
>and the story is from the kingdom's POV.
This could work. The worst part of isekai is how hard the author self-inserts into the MC and everything goes his way, including the justification of bullshit and edgy "philosophies". So just making them monsters would be okay with me.
>Or maybe an isekai where the MC reincarnates in his own world
These already exist.
>>155896747
Also, try to black your character when he/she isekais, or just have a female protagonist is good enough. There are just too few of them( true female character, not * man in body of a loli * )
>>155896697
What's the dragon meat one called?
>>155896741
>You sure found a silly point to nitpick
The basic characterization of the MC being at least somewhat believable is more important than his fighting skills in a power fantasy, I'd say. Overcompetent MC's are expected.
So yes, I suppose our MC is a massive psycopath. Good thing he can say please and thank you though, since that makes him a good person!
>>155896779
I would read it.
>>155896779
>main character had expectations of magic existing, never did
>learned it is also kept secret by the clandestine organization
>'magic' as it is done is entirely based on ritualistic narcotic dosages and small tearing into the same thing that brought the main character over
>it doesn't work around people from off world at all in a sort of 'null' area
>that's why the clandestine organization keeps ones they can control around
>him, the chinese guy, and the french guy are assigned to a kill squad
The first novel ends with the main character having survived his first major foray into a large scale outbreak, this being a hive of termite like creatures the size of house cats that had destroyed several communities. He is on a team of what are called 'Burners' or 'Wickermen' depending on what rumors you're looking at.
>>155896850
Fuck if I remember. I think is something in the lines of "black witch" or "black magic", or maybe "strongest apprentice of the black magic witch" or something. The black magic is teleportation.
>>155896779
I like the idea of isekai'd people being from different locations and time periods. You never really see an isekai MC who isn't Japanese.
>>155894471
>There is no such thing as God and they are actually abducted and put in a man made island
>It's a candid show
>>155892767
>Rescue two twin sister that do magic and swear to serve him.
Yea dropped before even being picked up.
>>155896551
>I can't think of any Japanese isekais where the MC loses all the memory of their past life at the beginning.
That's pretty much what a lot of fantasy series from decades ago were
Where do you think this common chuuni setting of "In my past life, I was the ____ and my soul transferred into this body" came from?
>>155896880
But these type of people are pretty good at hiding what they are.
We had a situation here where some pretty normal kid age 20 slaughtered his family in cold blood recently, no remorse whatsoever.
>>155896971
Here's the thing. The author isn't treating him like a psycopath. If he was actually one it would be a decent hook.
>>155896779
>these guys essentially exist as an international clandestine organization to keep people like the main character from fucking over the world's developmental plan with out of world technology
How are they supposed to tell whether or not the tech is out of world or not?
>>155897031
When you're developing electricity in a midieval setting, I'd imagine it to be easy.
Cheats are probably the worst trope in isekai. Because the Japanese have no talent for fleshing out characters over time, they just give them bullshit powers to explain why everyone is on their dick right away.
The only thing worse than cheats is the gooks idea of romance, which 9 out of 10 times involves NTR.
>>155896929
>You never really see an isekai MC who isn't Japanese.
That's because, as was pointed out, the nips use isekai basically so people (particularly the author himself) can self-insert more easily, even if the story could be made without it without changing the plot too much.
>>155897010
How do you figure? From the first 3 chapters I've seen nothing about how his head functions in those situations.
Is the issue here that he doesn't consider other' lives precious in some other world? I don't think that's a stretch at all.
Would you read
>MC starts as a huge badass in fact he's already end game
>Is not at all an asshole
>Actually fucks the available waifu
>>155896139
That is just DRIFTERS
>>155897143
I'd read anything with cute girls
unless it's yurishit
>>155897143
SAO?
>>155897143
No, because what I want is the journey.
The problem is that the journey is usually shit.
>>155897143
That's like 90% of the webnovels. So, probably not.
>>155897187
Just go read eroge.
>>155896916
How does the MC fight?
>>155896980
2D and 3D are separate. If you want to advocate for equality and representation then you can just write or read a western fiction novel or something because no one gives a fuck about the real world in this genre
>>155897143
That's pretty common, too.
Reincarnated into a vending machine
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-reincarnated-into-a-vending-machine/
Someone at least dump the chapter
>>155897258
How do you read a non-VN erotic video game?
>>155896139
Twelve kingdoms. one of the few actually good isekai.
Some God accidentally Isekai's himself into another mythos
>>155897258
Just go read western novels.
Is there an example of a series where the main character having arrived in another world is truly a fish out of water, finding it difficult to adapt to his situation and is actually homesick?
>>155897348
>Some God accidentally Isekai's himself into another mythos
"Even Posing as a Hero is Easy--Why? Cause I'm a God--"
>>155897322
>reincarnated as an object
is this seriously common enough to warrant a tag
>>155892767
Wow, sounds as stupid as Magical Warfare was you're telling me that a fucking high school karate kid can kill wizards using school lessons and then immediately run into two hot twin babes who swear loyalty to him all in the span of 10 minutes?
MC is an asshole.
There was no need to kille the medic kid.
>>155897423
Mahou Sensou was great you piece of shit
In fact it was amazing
>>155896197
It's on volume 5 now. I thought some people said it got cancelled due to plagiarism but apparently not.
>>155897098
Frankly this is more of a human problem than a japanese problem. English webnovels do the same isekai and leveling shit too. There are even russian isekai novels where they invent the AK47 and become the new leader of communism. I'm not kidding.
>>155897096
Chinks are the worst of all. They just have some fucked up morals that contaminates the whole story. 90% of all conflict is made by a character born to be evil that just takes a dislike for the MC for no reason and the MC must stop him so he doesn't dirty the family's name. Few are the stories that come from china that have any value whatsoever.
>>155897469
>Sorry
Sasuke?
>>155897469
>sorry
Psssh nothing personnel, kid
>I wished on shooting star “I want have a beautiful girl’s panties” but instead was reincarnated as a baby’s diaper.
Not much to go on, ln translations are dead as fuck, the manga only has 2 chapters and the ln summary makes it sound like a fucking dumpster fire.
I'll give them props for isekaing an actual warrior, even if it was only practice and that he killed his summoners.
>>155894324
>Harem
But a lot of classic fantasy has this shit.
>>155897496
Chinese are souless husks that will step over someone that got stabbed in the middle of the sidewalk without a second thought, so I'm not really surprised.
>>155897542
dostedt?
>>155897496
I wouldn't go that far. Chinese webnovels just have a higher tolerance for shit because of a larger audience so it's easier to be popular. There are some gems but yeah, most of it is stupid garbage that most of us that didn't grow up in a chinese culture would find wierd.
>>155896139
Nigger thats fucking Drifters
>>155897496
China is the civilization that created Legalism, which may unironically be the most Lawful Evil philosophy ever created by humans and used to govern a state.
Additionally the extreme famine of the Great Leap Forward and the chaos of the Cultural Revolution destroyed all sense of civic responsibility and created a nation of selfish dog eat dog survivalists.
So I'm not surprised.
>>155897131
>Is the issue here that he doesn't consider other' lives precious in some other world? I don't think that's a stretch at all.
The issue here is that a teenaged child can't automatically turn into a remorseless murder machine unless something is seriously fucked up in his brain, but they're not portrating him to be in any way fucked up besides the act of killing those people.
>>155897477
No the fuck it wasn't MC immediately is capable of fighting a trained magical warrior with a goddamn buster sword using a wooden kendo stick even before his magical eye power kicked in? His brother is a whiny brat whose mad because his childhood friend didn't give a rats ass about him and would rather fuck the MC while acting tsundere about it? His bro is useless and only skilled at blowing himself up? His new mysterious lady has a past with him and they're already in love with each other? Their leader is a loli with twintails who jobs in her first fight and has to be saved by MC with bullshit powers? That show was so generic I didn't even care when the brother tried to turn rapist and they completely left it on a cliff hanger.
>>155897496
>90% of all conflict is made by a character born to be evil that just takes a dislike for the MC for no reason and the MC must stop him so he doesn't dirty the family's name
There's a shittonne of arrogant young masters in CN novels, but what does the "doesn't dirty the family's name" part mean?
>>155894324
complaining about there being an adventure guild in an isekai is like complaining that there are elves in a fantasy/magic show.
>>155897650
You just summed up why Mahou Sensou was so great.
>>155897401
Zero no Tsukaima, I don't remember how much trouble the MC gets for being a peasant, but later on he gets homesick when it turns out part of the magic that brought there suppressed that feeling and it got removed.
>>155894324
You forgot
>Skill Hunter
>>155897673
>"I can't let you do that, mr. evil-bastard! I must protect the name and the honor of my family!"
>"I will die before I let you take down my family's secular business and disgrace the name of my great grandfather"
>>155896779
I'm not sure if you even realized it, but you made a version of Drifters, except without the whole "Armies of Darkness" thing and it being random people, which is pretty neat.
>he doesn't read superior otome isekai
please get some taste you f/a/ggots
>>155897771
That shit right there makes me get the fuck out immediately now, I remember feeling physically ill every time I got the the end of a re:monster chapter.
>>155897733
>when it turns out part of the magic that brought there suppressed that feeling and it got removed.
That sounds like a "Oh! My Goddess" type of cop out.
>>155895903
The only one I've found to be semi-decent involved traveling back and forth between the worlds and the geopolitical repercussions as a result of an isekai world that allowed access to future tech via magic. It's written by a more experienced author though, and is probably his worst work.
The lewds are quite nice though.
>>155895903
Isekai where a person is reincarnated as a planet that can control and development their ecosystem but it takes CENTURIES for any visible effect on their part to be noticed.
First part is educational science on planet development, evolution and such and the MC making himself into an Eden.
Second Part involves other Isekai people being reincarnated on him and fucking up his paradise as they live out his fantasy and he has to develop counter measures to reincarnating assholes
>>155897861
sounds a lot likeoverlord
Why not just read gender bender isekai for maximum self-insert quality.
Didn't he kill the doctor kid so he could blow up the infarmary and leave the place as a soldier?
had he left the kid alive he woudl alerted people about it
>>155897818
I realized that after watching drifters.
>>155897268
The clandestine organization has a reserve of technology spanning quite a long range of both earth and other world's history, gathered over centuries of operation. This includes two hundred years ago a USSR military stock pile getting dropped into the country side. They pumped those who came through with it for information and now have serviceable firearm production going, if slow as pieces need to be artisan made.
They also have pieces of what amounts to future technology, one of which was used to fix the MC's hand.
The MC was trained with said firearms. He, being someone they consider 'possibly rebellious" is not allowed anywhere near the future tech stuff for operational use.
>>155897031
The narcotics used to do 'magic' can help here. If you feed someone heavy doses during infancy and through puberty they end up being mildly prophetic and prone to debilitating seizures. The idea is since the pulling through is not entirely bound by time one can look through and loop back to see different periods. This formed over generations a 'developmental plan' for their world under what they consider the ideal conditions.
>>155897838
I just dropped that after the whole "Even though you're drugging them until they consent, its not like you're raping these girls" thing. I'm not even an SJW or anything. The Stockholm syndrome with the human girls I could accept because they were all pretty good, but the rest of that shit is just retarded.
I also predict Re:monster will just follow the same formula forever.
>I'm so OP
>Oh look, retards came to challenge Ore-sama?
>Let me just beat them in 10 seconds and then drug and fuck the women while promising my fellow goblins that they can too but never letting them. Rinse and repeat.
>>155897798
Oh, I think I see it now.
It's one of those "elder in the same sect is a fucking retard leading the family/sect to its downfall but nobody sees anything wrong" tropes.
>>155897680
I disagree. Elves are legitimate in the sense they serve a purpose in the story and you don't need to create the lore from the ground up, but you can increment it. Adventurer's guild is just a lazy attempt to make the MC do stuff and earn a pay without actually working for it. It serves no purpose in the plot. Seriously, what the fuck is an adventurer? It's a hobo, that's what it is. You want to kill goblins? Go join the military. You want to travel the world? How about working as a sailor? Or a merchant.
The same for most guilds, actually. "Oh, you want me to sell that hide you got, huh? too bad, you don't have a merchant's license from the merchants' guild!"
>>155897861
There's this I reincarnated into a dungeon where MC is literally the dungeon and he creates himself from scratch.
>>155897825
>still no updates
>>155897850
>those long toes
eww
>>155898000
Re:monster is basically just hentai pretending to be a real story. It's the same with another similar story, I think it was called 'Maou no Hajimekata', where it was just basically about a guy building a dungeon but all he really did was rape women and mind control them with the power of dick.
>>155894912
Fuck you.
>>155897850
>Mahaya
Oh, it's Nanao. I thought the art looked familiar.
>>155898000
The characters are all ugly though so it's hard to get too upset besides the time wasted over reading it.
>>155898135
Didn't even notice before you said that, was too focused on the thighs.
>>155898130
it updated today
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/kenkyo-kenjitsu-o-motto-ni-ikite-orimasu/
>>155898077
Adventurer guilds are a trope and of course it's bad when it's used as a copout for actual plot advancement, but that doesn't mean all stories that use it are bad. Overlord and konosuba have adventurer's guilds in their stories and I don't think it affects them in a negative way.
>>155898077
Weren't merchant guilds actually a thing?
Granted, it's not like I've done any research there.
>Cast is a group of friends with various issues
>All get transported
>On the nose problems and/or villains in the world that seem to correspond to their issues
>journey of self discovery
>There is no self discovery
>One of the friends is Super OP and just solves all problems
>Demon Lord dead
>Succession right decided
>Plague cured
>Racism solved
>Female member kidnapped arc never even starts (much to her annoyance)
>This annoys all his friends such that after a while (mid point series wise) they stop treating it as a normal journey and just power through with their own talents
>At the end confront God who says "See the answer was inside you all along"
>They kill God too
Would you?
>>155898240
Merchant organizations and mercenary companies were a thing, particularly in italy. Famous ones include The White Company, The Great Company, and The Swiss Guard.
>>155898230
>1 chapter after 4 months
Not that I'm unappreciative or anything, but I'm dying of thirst over here.
>>155898233
Konosuba is a parody and so long as it keeps this in mind it can get away with almost any trope. I don't know much about overlord, though. I suppose it is not one of the worst isekai stories out there.
>>155895097
Reminder that Lala is best girl, and that Barbatosfags are eternally BTFO and Laurafags are pedophiles.
You isekai some average person into another world, they know how to use guns efficiently even as a japanese teenager from a nation that abhors firearms, or they just so conveniently happened to be skilled in physics, alchemy, technical marvels that could singlehandedly bring in a revolution to a nation or even the world but either they get cockblocked by "muh traditions" or decide they need to be a good guy and not introduce such things to help the world. You isekai some badass into another world, they inevitably either are some rogue going solo that amasses a team/harem that is nigh unstoppable, or they're part of a faction that they then make nigh unstoppable unless their greatest foe just so happens to be either godly factors or another isekai'd fighter.
How do you hit inbetween? The average reader/viewer doesn't want to read about some nobody put in another world that gets a slice of life unless it's a well-written one, and while there's isekai out there with a disempowered protagonist caught up in a dramatic plot that is way over their heads, it seems most want to go for the generic self-insert shit of being some super-intelligent person and/or hyper badass now.
>>155897972
>The clandestine organization...
I see, seems solid. What about the MC's personality and goals?
>>155898240
Guilds for merchants and craftsmen in general were a historical thing. Obviously, adventurers are made up.
>>155897850
> Kamachi
You are full of shit. Kamachi has interesting concepts but ultimately fails with bad storytelling. Booboo is shit. As well as Kamachi.
>>155898328
Could be worse. You could be trying to read a novel that constantly gets dropped, and everytime someone picks it up, they start over from chapter 1.
>>155898240
Not just merchant, artisan and craftsman guilds were also a thing.
>>155898148
That one is also similar to another one which is just rape porn of the MC mind controlling women and making him his sex slaves which will somehow save the world.
>>155898358
I think the best way to approach this would be to make the character a part of a larger whole that accomplishes big things, or to be careful with the way power levels are distributed in the story. I like the way Youjo Senki does it, wherein the main character is great at her job but at the end of the day is just one person, and there's only so much that one person can ever do. We can enjoy the larger group's victories but we avoid a superpowered mary sue.
>>155898240
Yes, but it is one thing to actually have groups organized around a goal and another thing to actually have a monopoly over every comerce, particularly without lampshading the circumstances around it. Most just say "ah, if you want to travel around with a wagon and goods, you must register with the merchants guild. because." You could say the state wants to collect taxes with it, for instance, and the problem would be solved. In most isekais, however, it's just a company that distributes cards with a name on it.
>>155898366
Pessimistic, fell to alcoholism, desperately wants to return home but not in a position to do much about it, bitter. Overall now he is of two minds on the organization, on the one hand they protect the world but on the other they keep it stunted. They pump children full of narcotics to create oracles, but consider it necessary because they need oracles to find anomalies.
Overall he's highly conflicted. At the moment his biggest goal is survival also to dig into why he was plucked out of the world and why others are. To do this he got close to an oracle and had the them examine the moment he came through, the oracle nearly died of an aneurism trying to do it. Apparently the moment of crossing is a no go for most folks, this oracle was convinced to while heavily intoxicated.
>>155897496
Chinese stories are at their best when they don't take their own culture seriously.
Like, I'm fairly amused by Absolute Choice, which starts out as a blatant ripoff of Noucome and runs with it. 13 year old in full chuuni bloom suddenly catches a case of the chinese erabes and has to just bluster his way through constantly. It's still mostly bullshit, but hilarious bullshit arising from an author that is explicitly trying to not do the standard thing.
Pretty refreshing after having tried a bunch of other stuff that ended up just being standard chinese martial arts cultivation level grinding murderhobo sects and their obsession with face.
>>155897959
Probably, but at best it's a kill by necessity against a person who wasn't hostile (hell, he was a fucking doctor, that's a war crime), at worst it's still cold blooded murder.
There are so many isekai now that every time a chapter pops up I have to google the story again to remember which one it is.
I don't have that much of a problem with isekai stories categorically but the ones I really have beef with are those reincarnation stories. You know, that generic setup wherein some douchebag gets reborn as a baby or some shit, or they get to travel back in time to their 20s and make everything hunky dory. Almost every story I've tried with that setup are creepy and/or bad.
>>155891496
Mango name?
>>155898563
gotta keep another thing in mind here and is that he is in some uknown world where his first encounter was people ttring to kill him
>>155898330
>>155898233
>Because it's a parody/comedy, it is forgiven
Fuck you. That is not forgivable. This is why I hate konosuba and konosubafags.
>>155898642
And thus he killed the people trying to kill him. The doctor though? When did he pose a threat to, or attempt to threaten him?
>>155898643
>anything that ever includes even a mention of (trope) must be bad. (trope) is unforgivable!
pls
>>155898643
It is true, though. The reason of existence of parodies is to make fun of itself. How are you going to make fun of the tropes used in isekai if you don't use them? Then you aren't making a parody, you are making a serious work, and one that escapes the norm, since you aren't using the commonly used tropes.
>>155898705
>When did he pose a threat to
I don't know, screaming for help?
>>155898551
>Absolute Choice
I wonder if there's a single original concept in it, or if every character, ability, and organization comes from an anime/manga.
>>155898747
>>155898706
No, what I meant is how people get into a sort of mindset that because it is a comedy, it is good/ok. No, fuck that mindset and fuck the people who buy into it. Plus, Konosuba never bothered to comment on the trope (last time I read/checked), therefore, it still stands as unforgiven. Just like how people gush over a series filled with cute girls and that is a harem but because it is a comedy, people will excuse it.
>>155897417
One web novel I saw had the MC reborn as a pair of panties
>>155892767
I prefer the Salaryman who fucks every girl and proceeds to be the #1 badass.
>>155896451
>Aselia.
The game?
>>155898747
They didn't even comment on adventurer guilds, they just went with it and hijinks went on.
>>155898332
>Lapis
>best anything
>Fractal?
>At least it's not isekai
>Long Title #6249
>Fraction of a Galaxy
What did they mean by this?
>>155899012
That doujin series is great.
>>155898847
Fair enough. Killing those two people who didn't even know he was there was fine, and I guess calling for help deserves death.
>>155891496
Can someone tell me it's name?
>>155896263
Yes because in the future the children will create Nazi party.
>>155899149
Check the people quoting the OP.
>>155898077
>Elves are legitimate in the sense they serve a purpose in the story
What purpose do they serve that can't be replaced by another random ass race? You can even make up your own damn species does your imagination even work properly anymore?
>>155896263
Yes. Leave no witnesses.
>>155899210
Sure, if you make up another race that is fine. But if you want to copy Tolkien and put them in another medieval europe with great evils, just buy the whole package and put the damn elves in so readers can situate themselves faster and the author can go on to what makes his story special sooner.
If you make an original race, you have to introduce it, make up a lore, tell what it's all about, and maybe that's not what the author wants. He just wants a placeholder so there can be some diplomatic conflict, some wars, etc. Plus, they have pointy ears. You can also call them Vulcans or Abh, if you wish.
Here's how a real adventurers guild should be used in stories.
> The idea of the guilds never came to play until a while after monsters, beasts, ran the world. Without the military to protect the citizens as they primarily protected the nobility, local militia began to emerge. There's was only one problem, militia were technically not under any service and there was no particular pay. One day, groups of wealthy merchants decided a reward system based on protecting and killing monsters posing potential harm to the citizens. You can get the request and reward directly from the people through the system of the guild efficiently. Government has no control over these systems, however, they can request their services if the time were to come.
>>155898077
>It's a hobo
Being a Murderhobo is a long time honored tradition, why do you speak against it so fervently?
>>155899372
You completely missed the point. I'm saying the elves are easily replaced, even by OC shit, let alone other established races. Cliche races having twists are normal as well, so I don't see why anyone has to be so anal about retarded shit when it comes to fantasy but suit yourself.
This is after all a thread about hating a genre that clearly doesn't interest the haters. It's like if /lit/ constantly made threads sperging out on Harry Potter and Twilight.
>>155899460
>Its another "Anon thinks the nobility evolved from no where and not from a professional warrior class whose job was to protect the people" episode.
If a setting is medieval-(something) the nobility should still be a warrior class. Even until the 19th and early 20th centuries the majority of military officers were members of older noble families (mostly in Europe).
>>155899630
>It's like if /lit/ constantly made threads sperging out on Harry Potter and Twilight.
Is there isekai where MC is transported to magical world with magic school where he become vampire pussy magnet?
That would be hilarious.
There's something about immediately introducing a/multiple love interest/s that is straightfowardly dere that's turns me off.
Mostly because it seems like they're just there to serve as a waifu and aren't really likely to get any development.
>>155899460
fuck that shit. I like the idea of it being goverment chartered and Adventurers taxed.
Military should be for fighting people and armys. Because of their nature they should be funded by lesser nobles.
I also hate the idea of calling it adventure's guild in general. It should be a loose association that governs Mercenary/sell sword guilds in general. Directly administared by the Highest authority in the land (emperor or King). For a mercenary guild to operator it has to have a license from the King's Association. Requests are given to the association the guilds should compete with each other. Shitty adventurers should be in shitty guilds getting the worst jobs. All of this at the end of the day, though is about the king lining his pocket with people doing odd jobs and occasionally things that benefit the state.
Mages guild should exist because magic users are fuckers and not to be trusted. It's a means to maintain some form of control on them.
>>155899630
>This is after all a thread about hating a genre that clearly doesn't interest the haters
This is wrong. Most people here read at least one or two. Many read a lot. It is a thread to hate what we got tired of seeing, the same fucking thing.
>>155899744
>Implying a magic school would let a student with highly infectious and murderous magic rabies attend
I like shoujo isekai stories, particularly those where a girl gets reincarnated as an upper noble in a medieval fantasy world. Cute girls doing cute things is great and I like the simplified politics and territory development stuff.
I understand that the idea of isekai is to give the reader a character to relate to and allow them to impose their modern sensibilities on their world, but to be honest I'd prefer these stories to drop the isekai aspect and to just be pure fantasy.
Red flags include adventurer guilds, status screens (or any RPG elements), and powerlevels.
What about that isekai with the serial-killer going on a rapmpage in the new world?
>>155899031
What else?
The anime doesn't exist.
>>155899952
I like those sorts of stories too Anon, mostly because they focus more on world building and not fighting stuff. We see cultural aspects of the fantasy Kingdoms that I just love reading and thinking about.
>>155899952
Otome isekai is fun, mostly because they forego the whole powerlevels and stat screen bullshit.
Those stories are generally all about character relationships which is why they aren't as insufferable even though a bunch of them have similar plots.
>>155897487
>Sakamoto666
Never fails to make me laugh
>>155900055
It's a deconstruction of the pen name
>>155898328
>translate stuff
>no chapter after 4 months due to doing other stuff
I'm sorry, I'll do my best to come back
I want to write a LN
Give me plot points and things youd like to see in it
>>155900038
More importantly, there are hot guys to faun over.
>>155900118
Tomboy wins
>>155900118
Timeloops.
>>155900118
I'll give you some things I don't want to see:
-Stat screens
-RPG mechanics
-Grinding
>>155900118
Androgynous MC.
>>155900118
the writer/"artist" self insert lecturer fag mouthpiece for the writer is sercretly gay and projecting and gets ntr/blacked/killed in the middle of some badly worded rant.
>>155899714
Thank you anon, for giving me that info. I did not know that. Ok. Let me rethink this:
> Because the military insufficient to protect the citizens, militia began to emerge. But even that was still insuffient as there was no pay for the militia, and part of the requirements of being part of the military required a certain level of knowledge, which majority of the population were uneducated as they were commoners (text was restricted to nobles to prevent possible uprising or rebellion if they had "bright" ideas against monarchy). There was not much incentive/reward, therefore, wealthy merchants implemented a system.
Is it better now?
>>155899841
But an adventurer isn't just a mercenary. Sure, they can be hired muscle, but they could also be hired to find a lost object, to gather materials for something, or to gather and relay information.
They can get paid for basically any job, not just killing shit.
>>155900118
A boy falls in love with a girl.
Unable to confess, he shitposts on 4chan.
>>155900118
It have nothing to do with the fucking phone.
>>155900118
No medieval setting, for the love of everything.
>>155900038
>>155899952
in examples like this, the writer is actually writing something novel. isekai is just the set up, not the essential core
most isekai authors just vomit up a blend of video games and "wow cool ideas" but don't know a whit about writing an interesting setting, and they hinge everything on the isekai premise
>>155900258
>he doesn't like medieval settings
Guns are boring.
>>155900118
Okay.
So it's a diving manga in australia, but instead of sharks you have trucks.
>>155891496
Read Yobidasa Reta Satsuriku-sha same premise.
>>155900207
As konosuba put it, adventurers are basically insignificant job hopping part timers.
>>155900207
Can you think of a better word? At the end of the day, It's that, sell sword, or fucking jack of all trades which would be even worse than adventurers?
Alternatively you make up your own word for your setting since for all real purposes you're god anyway.
>>155900118
guy turns into a girl and has girl feelings that he cant handle and has sexy men trying to woo her
>>155899843
>it's similar so it's boring
Not him but I've lived in hundreds of different more of the same nip fantasy worlds with thousands of different and more of the same characters in my head via self-inserting into nip anime, manga, vns, and games and am planning on finally learning nip so I can experience more of the same thing.
>>155900096
>>155898328
It's been such a long wait inbetween chapters I've forgotten all the character names.
>>155900264
>>155899952
What if the mc was the native and the co-mc was the isekai dude from japan? And the series would go on like a cop and his partner with mutual cooperation and being the real heroes compared to the other people summoned.
Why are Isekai so bad and otakuish now ? Most of them seems to be just about power fantasy instead of actual story building ? And the settings are ofen so generic and stytitipical, like some online fantasy game settings,instead of serious fantasy settings
>>155895978
RPG system was a mistake but otherwise it's good for being a isekai that is original.
>>155896197
the nigger translating it is about to drop it, don't bother.
>>155900118
Reborn on a sci-fi world. The universe in dominated by space fairing species that colonized multiple stars systems and the speed of light still reigns absolute.
>>155900465
>Scifi
It's garbage.
>>155900287
>>155900118
isekai of a truck-person who gets transported to modern day Japan and has to live with discrimination towards trucks from your average Japanese person walking on a neighborhood street
a staunch believer in peace, Truckman hears about the Trucks of Peace in Europe and thinks he's finally found his safe haven, but when he arrives he's accidentally recruited into ISIS and gains 12 virgin cars
with his new harem and purpose in life, he sets out to create a better world
>>155900135
>>155900143
>>155900169
>>155900170
>>155900199
>>155900218
>>155900241
>>155900258
>>155900287
So, basically, MC is androgynous boy, he has an Tomboy best friend. They get truck'ed and go to Isekai Australia waterworld set in the future, but by some shit they change bodies, after the change, his tomboy (female)l feelings towards her androgynous (male) make him fall in love with her, but instead of diving he keeps shitpostin on futurechan
>>155900118
A man get reborn as a truck because some god need to transfer humans souls to another world, to keep him alive, the god tells him he need to kill at least 1 person per week.
This tale is about how he stealth kill people.
>>155900207
>Sure, they can be hired muscle, but they could also be hired to find a lost object, to gather materials for something, or to gather and relay information.
And it's stupid to hire the same people to do all those different jobs. Who the fuck would hire someone in an "adventurer's guild" to find a lost necklace? Hire a goddamn private detective or something. The skill set used in those odd jobs are so different it makes no sense to put them all in the same place.
Ok, what if a series looked like pure fantasy at first, with mc being a native in the setting, and then isekai and reincarnation elements put 1/4 into the story. But MC is still the main character.
>>155900489
No u.
>>155900465
>Reborn on a sci-fi world
cool
>multiple stars systems
cool
>speed of light still reigns absolute
fuck it
without warp drives or some type of FTL travel these kinds of setting are pointless. Unless you make your space fairing race borg who give zero shits about their human relationships, or so long lived that Time displacement doens't matter this is shit. The first option makes for an awful lonely setting the second is just a kick in the pants of cryosleep.
>>155900666
SF is just shit, satan.
>>155900695
Imma fuck you up, senpai.
>>155900436
I think you have to take a step back and think about what the purpose of having isekai in the story is. Something along those lines might be interesting if the MC was some important person with lots of territory in their world and they utilized knowledge provided from the isekai-ed person to improve their society.
However in a lot of stories the person from our world shits out modern ideas and everyone in the other world loves them, even though many modern concepts wouldn't necessarially be appropriate in the setting. For example I down think a house of commons and a senate would necessarially be preferable over a monarchy or that developing firearms are always a good idea. Or even worse, stories sometimes often introduce meaningless japanese cultural practices, japanese food, etc. into their new worlds. I'd be more interested in seeing the impact of a printing press, agricultural development, improved sanitation standards, etc.
>>155892767
>on the path of the supreme ruler.
At least it's better than being an adventurer with no purpose.
>>155893187
but KATANA is best weapon
it can cut clean through steel
>>155900754
This was an idea from an isekai anime plot thread. Here:
I'll give you something and reasons why this seems much more new and interesting perspective.
> MC is native rather than the transportee
Offers new perspective rather than the usual self-insert.
> It is humans vs. demons but guns exist on both sides. With the incoming industry currently booming for humans, while demons attempt to catch up through stealing plans and spies. Demons have greater physical capabilities, having the ability of flight, inhuman strength, and so on. Usual magic does not exist like fireballs. Also, demons are basically humans but easily recognizable through animal features.
It creates an field of disadvantage and challenge for humans and mc.
> Prophecy is told through the church by god that heroes will be summoned.
> MC questions along with several generals and his friends as to why we need chosen heroes since the known weapons chosen by god are swords, bows and other crap (hello, guns?).
Keeps skepticism and awareness of such tropes.
> MC finds out the the heroes is one student (generic mc-kun) and bunch of girls (harem for generic-ass) including an average wimp with no blessings (he's the only normal person and is a pretty good listener and debater). He finds them ridiculous but feels sorry for the wimp.
> God has given them understanding and language of the world (except for wimp).
MC and wimp questions why along with others (keeps realism to an extent).
The way this isekai was set up was self-awareness and skepticism.
>>155900681
>fuck it
>without warp drives or some type of FTL travel these kinds of setting are pointless. Unless you make your space fairing race borg who give zero shits about their human relationships, or so long lived that Time displacement doens't matter this is shit. The first option makes for an awful lonely setting the second is just a kick in the pants of cryosleep.
Gotta get creative. Honestly, one world is already enough to drive countless stories, I don't think there really would have a problem with multiple ones, unless you want someone going visiting them as an recurring occurrence, then you're fucked. Keep them on one system, maybe some aliens come once in a while, no problems.
>>155900617
I imagine that it's not so much that a single adventurer qualifies for every job, but the guild is somewhere where people from different professions gather to get jobs. And a party is formed to cover the bases.
For example, someone with the required skill set is hired to find a lost necklace, but finds that getting it will probably require a fight with local thugs. So they team up with a fighter and split the reward.
A guild just allows easy access to potential teammates in one location.
>>155900890
See, I feel like that's a waste of a good setting though, if you're never going to take advantage of it. Personally, I think you might be better off having FTL, but it being inaccessible to all but the richest or the government.
>>155900206
If we wanted a realistic setting then:
>The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon.
Just replace Muslims with Monsters (inb4 >>>/pol/), the group would need to be founded by the nobility because the kind of gear needed to fight monsters is too expensive for any militia to afford. Trade guilds in Italy and Germany never got along so its doubtful fantasy alternatives would be willing to put money in to a joint protection fund (Unless something big happened), they would prefer to protect their own merchants.
Holy Orders in Europe were only "unified" under the Pope which adds an extra element of guild rivalries which Adventurers Guilds in fantasy lack. For example the Knights Templar and Knights Hospitallers initially served very different roles which could add variety in to a setting. Towards the late medieval period the Knights Hospitallers actually became a naval force that fought pirates from north Africa. Imagine splitting the Hospitallers in to two groups so you have.
>Army based Guild
>Navy based Guild
>Civic based Guild
All 3 could be separate entities competing.
Characters with nothing could join as support for adventurers serve as squires or bankers for the order/organization, it gives them a goal to work towards (Knighthood)
Sorry for the rant
>>155896627
I wrote a short story about royal guards who had to defend their empire from summoned earthlings.
Essentially they'd all end up super strong demon lords who do nothing but rape and mess shit up.
Intelligence network tasked with finding them, hit squad tasked with doing the deeds.
>Or maybe an isekai where the MC reincarnates in his own world
These exist.
>tall, buff jap
>lives a held back life because he can't kill under modern jap law
>practices a little and is suddenly super ninja blackops level
Jesus Fucking Christ, I love when author goes for wish fulfillment.
>>155895772
It's more than plausible...you're really REALLY ignorant about the world and it's history of killing...like...damn. Children killing grown men was a requirement in some cultures.
Since this is a general isekai thread, I suppose I can share one that I'm writing intermittently:
>generic reader-insert type protagonist summoned into a world by "kobolds" modeled on armadillos
>is immediately given powerful sword and armor
>is part of kobold tribe for a bit then meets humans, some slaughter happens and one thing leads to another and he winds up a war leader then the leader of the settlement
>gets a magical spirit waifu
>learns magic, has an affinity for earth magic and uses it mostly to build fortifications and infrastructure
>goes on geopolitical adventures, building up his domain (on a frontier continent where major players aren't well established) and doing some planet of hats stuff to show off different cultures in the world
I've only written the first part so far. I enjoy writing fight descriptions but I'm terrible at dialogue which makes it very unlike a typical LN.
>>155900858
If you MUST make some sort of meta-story that plays off of the current popularity of isekai drivel that might be a good way to subvert the usual tropes but I don't see why need to follow the same formulaic approach in the first place.
>MC is native rather than the transportee
That could be okay, but the purpose of isekai is that the reader can relate to the transported person so they should be a prominent character. I wouldn't call it a "new perspective" though; there are plenty of stories in the world that don't involve isekai.
I see the "bunch of students with cheat powers from god" to be a yellow flag if not a red flag. I guess your intention is for the people with cheat powers to fail whereas the normal guy contributes more useful things despite lacking cheat powers. But do you even need the other transported people and the cheat powers to be in the story in the first place?
>>155901074
>A little
>Trying to demean years of training
Yeah go try and fight someone that's a great fighter and has had years of training, or better yet get ambushed by one. You're gonna die.
>>155901184
Is the MC a human or a kobold?
Sounds kind of like Slime tensei.
>>155892767
>>155891496
Isn't this the one where he kills a literal god of his previous world before being summoned then goes on to introduce gorilla warfare to people?
>>155900754
>printing press
I always had this morbid idea of a Jesuit priest circa 1700s Isekai. He ends up in fantasy land, goes around decides god sent him her on a holy mission to bring this land salvation. Makes a printing press mass produces the bible and distributing it. Eventually gains followers enough followers the king tries to kill him, Instead of going martyr, he makes guns and declares a crusade. Endgame is him running a theocratic state.
>>155901117
Except he is japanese.
>>155897189
he only fucks his one waifu
>>155901355
I think that's Summoned Slaughterer, different series.
>>155900118
The medieval society is actually well-researched and not just a pile of memes accrued by slant-eyed faggots who have never even been to Europe.
>>155901333
MC is human, from earth. Although the only earth bit so far is a "prologue" several chapters in about his mom missing him.
>>155899793
How do you prefer your love interests?
>>155895978
RPG system was added to the world to harvest people's efforts for energy to repair the crumbling world. Said harvesting is also destroying their souls from the erosion of said harvesting.
Thankfully the system is there for an actual goddamn reason and is the #1 driving force for the story.
>>155896627
This sounds similar to overlord in a way
>>155901540
>medieval society
Oh goody, no hot women. Everyone wears a cap. People have scars from the pox they had growing up. Bathing is wrong because the church said so. Hair is dirty and disgusting when visible. Serfs who never leave their homes unless their local lord calls them to arms.
If you want realistic at least have the decency to go renascence northern Italy.
>>155901539
Oh thank god, maybe the MC isn't a total Gary Stu.
>>155901419
A reincarnated person who creates a religion and uses it to gain political power could work, but not if the person really truly believes in god and replicates a bible from our world. Better to make a bible that better suits its audience. And you couldn't just start that out of nowhere, he would have to gather some financial and military support if he was going to force his religion without getting squashed by local religious entities.
I'm generally opposed to fantasy stories in which guns get produced out of nowhere (often it would be impossible to produce good guns and/or their introduction would do more harm than good) but in your case it would be sensible because the MC would be leading a brainwashed army of peasants with minimal training and firearms are ideal for that sort of thing.
>>155901721
I said actually well-researched, not "swap the slant-eyed faggot memes for Victorian memes".
>>155891496
how to fix iseaki by anon
>Summoned to another world to help on a war but there is not good side
>Haxpower but strains your body so bad you almost die evertime you use it (it actually burns a bit of your soul each time you use it)
>MC thinks he is in a generic isekai and thinks he is on the good guys side (empire)
>get's harem, girls actually put there to keep an eye on the MC
>he find outs he is a puppet and scapes to the other side (republic)
>things are the same on the other side
>war is juts a war for recources (mana crystals or some shit)
>he flees that side too, and tries to live a pacefull life in the mountains
>finds village meets an _actual_ nice girls get adopted into the family
>marries the girl etc etc
>the empire find hims and kill everyone
>MC passes the despair event horizont and starts killing everyone
>series ends with the MC finally destroying both the empire and the republic as he finally burns out his soul
>heavily implied he doesn't get an afterlife
>guy only wanted to buy a porno mag at 7eleven
>>155901739
> but not if the person really truly believes in god and replicates a bible from our world. Better to make a bible that better suits its audience
But you could work with that--if you truly believe in God and want to convert people--and haven't memorized the entire damn Bible--then it's natural for you to tailor make a different version for the world you're in. Have you ever seen the Book of Mormon musical?
>>155897417
>there are 5 novels with MCs reincarnated as an object
Holy shit
>>155901739
Well I was thinking he'd teach the peasants about crop rotation, better irrigation techniques, and other useful things. All the while indoctrinating the values of Christianity into them. They'd eventually start to believe that he really was sent by god to help them as their lives improve. The guns would really just be shitty flintlock muskets, but they'd still do a lot of damage in their setting.
>>155901272
> To fail
Yes, because the hero with a sword pretty much gets shot in front of everyone and dies, putting the church and the public who follows god and the church into a frenzied panic. Meanwhile, our true main characters as well wimp with great struggle to learn the language (eventually forced to contribute to the war effort due to situation worsening). Because the wimp has common sense and is pretty smart, he learns the language through great practice after maybe little less than a year. But he ends up being a realistic element of isekai of wanting to go home and put in a life-threatening situation and not fall into cliche.
> Why generic people are there.
You see, there's this scene in mind where the wimp is crying and trembling in fear from the situation in his own room while YUUSHA is going all generic "help the people" and the harem goes all gaga on the YUUSHA. Until he's shot dead and everyone panics instead of the people who were skeptical. Realistic vs. Non-realistic person within the same scene. Wimp gets forced by our mc (he might have just saved the wimp considering the situation getting as worse as on the battlefront and their frustrations being irrational as is may be directed towards wimp) into the army.
Reminder that powerful sword in hand and a random schmuck can shoot you with a rifle, so yeah.
>>155893726
>Caim goes to Isekailand
>>155901901
Isnt that the plot of Far Cry ?
>>155896046
>vaporwave world
What
>>155901919
>Have you ever seen the Book of Mormon musical?
Fortunately I have not.
Anyway the point is it would be stupid for some isekai guy to accidentally take over the world while he attempts to spread his religion. If he's spreading religion is his motivation that's fine but the MC ought to think things out and plan out his insurrection, which would probably involve laying low until he builds up a foundation.
Another issue would be that the MC wouldn't grow as a person. Stories where the MC bends the universe to their will are generally quite boring. It's more interesting to see the MC get shaped by the different culture of the new world while still retaining some unique niche because of their former identity.
>>155897469
Yes, there was. He knew what he looked like. Only a dumbass wouldn't kill him.
>>155898547
Are you getting this published anywhere? I'd read it.
>>155901993
Sure but don't forget to plan the setting out in detail. Think about how governance is set up and make sure everything makes sense in the setting.
If some guy appeared in medieval Earth and started preaching some new religion, he would make enemies rather quickly.
Why is this antagonist girl so cute damn
>>155891496
How does /a/ feel about an Isekai crossed with TWGOK
>protaganist dies to truck-kun
>hikki in real life that played eroge, rpg and dating sims
>transported into the world of a dating sim
>at the end of a route he is sent to another world
>if he tries to tell anyone he gets sent to another world
>if he dies he gets sent to another world
>if he does nothing the world in which he is in begins to crumble over a relative timepsan
>keeps one item from each world after his conquest
>items act as clues and keys to help him solve the mystery and learn the truth behind the overarching plot
>during his journey through every world we see him grow from being a nihlistic apathetic hikki
>at the end he finds his ''heart'' which was lost after his innocence shattered at the realisition of a cruel, uncaring world.
>>155901994
Your target audience seems to be "people who are fed up with generic isekai crap and want to read something that subverts the usual tropes".
I hope that doesn't interfere with the appeal to "people who want to read a good story".
>>155902582
Thats actually neat and nuanced, and therefore never allowed to be a successful isekai.
>>155902245
>>155902492
Y'all are right, I'd probably need to emphasize the fact that, he'd make a bunch of his judgements off the way the Spanish conquered and converted Meso-America. It also really shouldn't end with him in charge of a state, so much as in a position like the Pope during the Avignon papacy. A king Backing him politically while he's pontiff of the state religion. I'd probably give him a lord who converts and hides him eventually the way people harbored Martin Luther. Later they would be his primary backers him during his crusade-revolt. I know one thing, a celibate priest doesn't get a harem.
>>155892767
how did he beat all those guys in armor with hand to hand combat
Sugaru Miaki should write more
>>155902040
>Pan-dimensional space babies still manage to show up
>>155902640
>>155902582
Oh yeah also should mention that every girl has a problem that is a reflection of the MC
The end of the route isn't necessarily them hooking up, but a kiss is par for the course.
>spend too much time making an epub out of an Isekai LN
>it's full of poor grammar and verb tense
I brought this on myself
>>155899952
This, my fav isekai is either shoujo isekai or non-harem romcom isekai.
>>155902040
Drakengard 1 Ending E is an Isekai~
>>155903059
Man, that shit happened to me too. I don't bother anymore since I ended up frying my brain trying to understand machine translated WN.
>he took his katana with a very sharp move.
>""not personal kid (Sasuke)"
Are there any fully translated WNs or LNs to read that aren't complete shit? I don't want to have to wait once a week for a chapter.
>>155902974
Sounds nice af
>>155902974
>>155902582
But what will happen with the heroines?
Forget everything? or somehow they manage to infiltrate the system?
>Below average intelligence mc get transported to other world
>Gets told to fight for Empire, will be rewarded heavily in the end
>Its your typical humans vs demi-humans/demons story
>Fights for the Empire for several chapters
>Starts questioning why he is fighting for the Empire
>Reads a magical book that shows him that the Empire are the "bad people"
>Joins the Demihumans/Demons to take over the Empire
>Anti-Hero Story?
>>155903547
All the ones I've seen similar to that have the MC getting killed in his first summoning by a conspiracy or betrayal, then is later resummoned to then join together with the demon lord.
>>155903506
>>155903399
>>155902640
I am conflicted between the plot being real (i.e he wakes up in a lab somewhere and frees the other girls) and between mc waking up from a coma and realising that the whole thing was a dream/spiritual journey from a near death experience (truck-kun didn't do a good job).
I am more inclined towards the later because it aligns with the themes of the series, what do you guys think? I might actaully write it up if i can get some more input/direction.
I've read a lot of isekai and the biggest problem with all of them is the lack of a central plot. You can't write a good book if you don't have a good story and 99% of all the trash the chinks, gooks and nips produce lack just that.
That's why I was pleasantly surprised when I read Kumo as it, rather painlessly, went from a run of the mill isekai litRPG story where every chapter is independent of on another to one with an actual coherent and interesting story. Same with Faraway Paladin except that's more like an actual book.
>>155900436
There was a JP Webnovel with that. MC was a guy that basically got kicked out of his family because his magic wasn't up to snuff by their standards. He's trained a bunch of other skills in exchange though. If you want a good description of him, he's basically a fantasy world magical version of Hei from Darker than Black.
Heroine is Japanese legal loli that was summoned along with a few others. Her power is a purification power that was also deemed useless so she was expelled from the castle.
So the two hook up. Eventually there is romance between the two of them.
It's not translated and I'd have to go looking for the name if anyone was interested.
>>155895903
Make the conflict unsolvable with a fight
>>155895903
Try reading Ore to Kawazu san. It's super good.
>>155903711
If you want to troll the reader then pick the later, but if you want rather safe troll thenadd something like osananajimi, her sister, lover, or anyone who loves the MC stalks him from the first (like the MC feels someone tails him) then in the end helps him to out from that world.
Well for the first option, it looks like kanojo ga flag.
>>155903685
There was one I read the beginning of where the MC is betrayed after defeating the demon lord and later killed. He then time loops back to when he was summoned and goes on a killing spree because he knows the summoning people are all assholes.
Didn't actually read that much of it so I don't know if he joins the demon lord or anything.
>>155903817
I am interested
>>155904233
You know what bothers me the most? The ''it was all a dream'' ending was used so much by incompetent hacks, that just by writing it, even in context and story appropriate setting it devalues the message of the story.
I swear its like there's no appreciation for artistic license nowadays.
>>155892767
ya had me until the twin waifus part
>>155891496
I like it too OP, hopefully the wars won't disappoint since this is a senki.
>>155893850
it was a necromancer, and I love that manga, oodles of fun
>everyone on earth is sent to another world for 10 years while the MCgets stuck on earth for 1000 years
does this count as an isekai?
>>155903817
Someone please translate this.
>>155891496
sounds absolutely shit
>>155894573
I refuse to read an isekai without a harem, instant drop every time.
>>155891496
wasnt there another one that did that except the summoners were orcs?
>>155899049
I do hope Lapis gets more character development in the next volume. The last two volumes have been a lot of Farnesse/Paimon/Barbados.
What about an isekai with a chinese dynasty succession scenario where the mc is transported to when the previous dynasty is last collapsing? He initially does not have any special abilities and is not a history buff so he has only the general idea of how to progress society. He has to work his way through the army of the warlord where he started from and gradually gains more power until he unites the nation. Would there be an audience for that?
>>155895903
The problem with Isekai is usually not the premise or even setting but the writing.
-Give the series an actual plot and conflict
-Don't give him a fucking harem
-Give the MC flaws to deal with (quite a few Isekai does this right but most don't)
-Make the fighting balanced, you can give him a special power but don't have that power to completely curbstomp the enemies
-Give the villains and side characters actual characterization don't just make the villains stepping stones and the side character cheerleaders
-Actually expand on the premise, do everything you can with said premise and don't just settle the series on "he's just going to live comfortably fucking his harem" if he doesn't have a motivation make one.
Maybe you can make an original setting more than just a typical Tolkien fantasy and the magic system more than just RPG elements but if you don't do the above the setting and magic system will be wasted (such was the problem of Mahouka) and conversely if you do the above generic DQ world and RPG elements won't matter.
>>155903059
>>155903277
Most of the translated stuff from narou are MTL or edited MTL.
Don't bother with that shit unless you can check the quality yourself.
How about
>Middle-aged Yakuza boss gets isekai'd
>>155896235
Find the mystical X a la One Piece.
>>155896139
Twelve kingdoms.
>>155895903
Michael Crichton's "Timeline" would make for a good basis
>>155900118
guy has his soul reincarnated into two bodies, one male, one female
like in this one
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/after-transformation-mine-and-her-wild-fantasy/
>tfw they quickly separate the two bodies to the other parts of the world making it simply two series about OPMCs
just the most wasted potential
>>155902581
sauce? yandex and google give me nothing
>>155904988
try the op image
>>155902582
sounds like this series
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=70424
>>155899049
She's certainly best at winning over her Lord Dantalian's heart.
>>155901307
its a high schooler fighting fully grown men that have trained all their lives in the army of their world to become soldiers.
>>155903547
Really I would have a Gundam-type Isekai were both the humans and the demons are corrupt assholes
>>155904376
Yuusha na Kanojo to Eiyuu e no Michi
勇者な彼女と英雄への道
>>155904929
Does he/she fuck him/herself?
>>155897490
to be honest whenever I see/read an isekai, guns are the first thing that comes to mind.
If you know how guns work, making gunpowder is very easy and constructing the gun itself can be pretty simple as long as you have the necessary mastery of metal.
Making AKs might be a little far, though
What was the name of the Isekai where MC gets summoned, kills the demon lord and gets betrayed by his friends and everyone around under false charges because everyone is scared of him just for him to get killed and revive on the moment he was summoned?
>>155897850
FEET DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT
WHAT KIND OF ABORTION IS SHE
>>155896138
>>155896235
You guys don't read much of these novels don't you? Usually the demon kings and the like don't matter at all or have some kinda shitty twists on them.
>>155905260
no they were only with each other for 5 seconds
when I say "most wasted potential" I meant it
>>155905268
Nidome no Yuusha?
Still want a Isekai where a delinquent school gets transported with all the delinquents getting cheats
just all the delinquent manga tropes as they wreak havoc on the world and the "badass transfer student" MC becomes the hero due to his desire to be at the top of the schooland the bullied nerd sidekick becomes the demon king at the end
>>155898130
still waiting for Burriko myself
>tfw I'm the only one that still likes the series
>even the translator doesn't like it anymore
>>155897930
Because there are not nearly enough to choose from.
>>155905262
You can get them to the serpentine matchlock stage and cannon but then can go no further because after that there's more math and calculation involved with the production of better guns, fortifications, and cannons.
>>155905524
That's because the translator read the rest of the series. I've seen some of the spoilers discussed over on AS and the story really does go to total shit.
>>155905536
This is true. There really aren't enough Gender Bender Isekai.
>>155895097
After years, Dandy is going to look in the mirror and see his dad then he will off himself.
>>155897143
that's generic as fuck
in fact the edgy MC cliche is there BECAUSE Isekai MCs are usually white bread
Now if you were describing a CN novel then the first two would be somewhat novel (third point is only impressive if the MC only sticks to one waifu and one waifu alone)
Fair question, would a character in an isekai even know the steps needed to develop gunpowder weapons into an effective force in that world. I get that most people know the basics, but would they know the more advanced techniques and building styles like renaissance fortresses, use of the ballistic pendulum and more effective cannon? To my understanding they could probably only get to the end of matchlock musket development and then stall and have to go experiment with it.
Is mondaijitachi a good isekai? I remember /a/ seemed to like the anime.
>>155905589
Yeah but thats all you need.
If you give the average peasant a fire stick that can reliably kill someone from ~100 yards away then you've won just about every battle you're going to fight.
After that you just have to make sure the secret of gunpowder doesn't get to your enemies.
>>155904833
Middle-aged Yakuza bosses always seem to be the cure for old cliches.
>>155899012
>>155899091
souce?
>>155905737
depends?
is the MC a 'normal japanese high shcool student' a Enigneering student? or one of those crazy surivalist guys that you can find everywhere in the us?
>>155897143
Are you literally describing Arifureta?
>>155905782
I think so
hope for a S2 one day
>Nidome no Yuusha
Ukei Kaito, the protagonist who desperately saved the world after being summoned in another world as a hero to defeat the Demon Lord.
Though he did defeat the demon lord and saved the world, but he was betrayed by the people he trusted as friends and is stabbed to death by a sword.
At that time, he swore:
If there is a next time, he would no longer cling to the word called ‘believe’.
If there is a next time, he would pay them back as cruelly as possible.
If there is a next time, he wouldn’t make another mistake.
「I… All of you… I will absolutely kill you all……」
After leaving his last words, he died.
And then a voice resounded.
【System Message: Tutorial Mode has ended. 】
>>155905366
That's the one.
Had forgotten about the name since I had it bookmarked but my browser went to shit and the bookmark was gone.
>>155905048
This and they were all fighting niggas with magic.
All the MC was fighting was his gramps. It's not like he went to Syria to practice his bullshit.
>>155905842
Arifureta didn't start as a badass though.
>>155905814
I guess like a 'normal japanese high school student'. It's immersion breaking if the MC can just magic up a musket force and be like 'lookit this! I'm the greatest!'
>>155891496
>that series with the guy who was designated to be a hero by goddesses who apparently run a multiverse hero ring thing gets fucked over, isn't even required, and ends up going full demon king shitting on other heroes and goddess will never get TL'd.
i don't even remember what its called but it had something like 9-12 chapters TL'd and i thought it was great.
shit sucks.
>>155905800
Kikurage.
>>155901901
>7eleven
He deserved everything that happened to him.
>>155896178
technically yes.
also that series was good up until kei decided to go full retard and multiverse jump places to hunt trolls forever.
>>155900517
It seems good desu. Really cool.
>>155904524
well at one point he fucks off to an elf planet to murder dragons and harvest them for free shit, also he removes the yiff.
so yes, yes it counts, also its awesome.
>>155905875
new chapter never, i love this series between the ultra salty MC and how fucking pissed he is that he can't simply go full edgelord because hes not stronk enough yet.
Are there any isekai where the concept of guilds and competition between them is well explored? None of that faceless monopoly on adventuring featuring silver ranks and shit.
>>155906030
Shit. I left off when he just got that pearl to jump or whatever.
Did it really turn to shit?
>>155906298
Why would there ever be. Imagine going to another world, then having some shitty field like mapping gone into DEEP detail and thoroughly explored. Its a basic job. Delving into is shitty writing.
>>155904350
What was it called?
>>155906309
its just retarded.
its the same shit, but hes starting to slip up and do stupid shit, also everyones starting to think hes a troll since he keeps fucking off to hog all the experience and essentially screwing his group over forever.
>>155905932
Then fucking no. The best Japs could do is basic chemical compounds. Pretty sure the Japs don't teach their classes industrialization techniques.
>>155906356
>>155904350
its probably:
>>155905875
>>155906400
i swear to shit ideology ball is the only meme that /pol/ ever made that isn't complete shit, and its a direct ripoff of fucking polandball which is some krautchan shit.
>>155906452
Ancap ball is the only one I laugh at consistently. It's okay.
>>155905842
>Arifureta
>Iseakai with weak protag
>bertrayed by his friend
>went full edge even so far to throw out love interest
>become broken OP because of "muh revenge"
why havent this series become anime yet?
I like Sakamoto666.
>>155906342
Isekai cartography sounds fucking amazing though you stupid pleb.
>>155906505
Dungeon Seeker did it better.
>>155906400
Is there anything that can't be solved through the magic of ancap? God bless you, gold and yellow ball.
>>155905782
This isn't going to work because there's a reason we went to faster firing and higher ammo capacity guns.
If ten guys rushes you, you be dead even if you have a gun for every ten guys because reloading with a matchlock in battle or trying to switch fast enough is not going to happen.
>>155906505
cause its total shit since it completely forgets itself halfways through and goes full generic, had it kept the edgelord shit even with the waifus it would have been better.
honzuki is pretty good
>>155906505
>>155906535
>>155906546
i always wonder why there is no iseaki where MC went full villain after bertrayed, and actually confront his old classmates later on
>>155905034
Yeah but mine isn't so much a story of a guy helping random girls as it is a guy making peace with his own life choices and finding redemption through helping others.
>>155906533
>you will never explore a fantasy world, autistically mapping the coastline and ignoring the advances of your harem
>>155906505
I hate when I have to defend Arifureta of all things.
>bertrayed by his friend
Wasn't his friend, just an asshole classmate.
>went full edge even so far to throw out love interest
He never did that. When he heard about the classmate girl being in trouble he actually went and saved her.
>become broken OP because of "muh revenge"
He never thought about taking revenge. He saw it as pointless. His goal was always to just say fuck you fantasy world and go back to Earth.
This kind of stuff is usually said by people that never actually tried the story and are just parroting the bitching about it. The story is not good in anyway, but at least be accurate.
>>155906400
Ancap meme is beautiful.
>>155906588
well theres kuro no maou, where the guy got summoned as a science experiment and through the actions of him and his perpetually insane yandere waifus pretty much burns the entire planet down and all forms of civilization, and thats probably the closest thing you will get.
>>155906588
There was? He ended up killing a bunch of his classmates and basically becoming the Demon Lord. The classmates he didn't kill, he mind controlled and turned them into his slaves.
>>155906541
There are tactics to get around those weaknesses, but that takes training and they are only stopgaps to help. Also, if you lose a battle you bet your ass the enemy will take what you have and reverse engineer it.
>>155906634
Hey man, in fairness Sonzai X was completely disrespecting the NAP so Tanya really had no choice but to spurn him. What a fucking faggot, not respecting peoples' rights and trademarks.
>>155906648
I would recommend Kuro but that shit is long. I mean 8 volf is just the prologue long.
>>155893726
What the fuck is this rape of nankin again. Japs are sick bastards. Need another nuke for them.
>>155891496
I need an LN thats the opposite, where some stupid occultist kids find a "magic" book in today's world and try a summoning as a joke. Instead it brings some incredibly powerful and evil person here, with lots of nice shock and horror elements.
>>155906648
I don't remember him burning the world down? Unless that happens way, way later. Last I could recall even from spoilers was that he was still sort of living in that one empire capital while trying to obtain all the Maou powers and fighting against the crazy religion.
>>155906505
The worst thing about Arifureta are the women.
Kouki was a dense dumb fuck, but he didnt deserve the treatment he got in the end.
Kaori and Shirasaki and the Sense are terrible people.
>>155897143
Twelve Kingdoms and Drifters.
>>155893726
>what is summoned slaughterer
anon plz, the first fucking chapter he kills the god who summoned his evil ass with the hax ability he got, it was hilarious.
Faraway Paladin is the only Isekai I like.
>>155906681
Either way, I just like ancap meme.
>>155906702
there's plenty of chinese novels regarding immortal cultivators going in this world, some are tagged comedy.
>>155906708
note i said him AND HIS BATSHIT YANDERE WAIFUS
his stupid harem gets out of control as time goes on while hes not paying attention to the asshole shit they are doing and end up causing a metric fuckton of problems all over the place.
>>155896779
This is essentially the /tg/ meme of a PC character creating gun powder in a fantasy setting.
>>155904524
EER is just a korean mmo.
Grind this, make that, kill things. Rinse and repeat.
>>155895610
>HxH
Kurapika is a slutty southern belle
>>155906767
>tfw no qt tomahawk missiles
Life is truly suffering.
is there any LN/Manga that starts with regular fantasy story but in the middle turned into isekai?
imagine an end-game hero suddenly summoned to another fantasy isekai
>>155906711
Kouki deserved it in a way because he didn't grow up. He kept childishly clinging to his delusions.
It's kind of funny in the epilogue stories it's mentioned that he was summoned to a second world and then a third world and then while on the third world he got summoned to a fourth. When the Goddess of the fourth world begged for his help, he gave her a sermon about managing it herself, she's a god right? etc etc. Kind of amusing.
>>155898182
Can any girl ever be cuter than Mary?
>>155906823
All I know is isekai with /ss/ bait.
But well the boy explained that he's transported at 2nd episode or 3rd though.
I forgot the name though.
>>155906823
In FREEZING recently the MC ended up in another world.
>>155906823
Overlord, kinda
>>155906778
Oh yeah, his one yandere waifu burnt down an orphanage just to make sure she got a blessing thing.
Best waifu is thehomunculus girl.
>>155906823
New Gate. Kinda.
>>155906868
>It's kind of funny in the epilogue stories it's mentioned that he was summoned to a second world and then a third world and then while on the third world he got summoned to a fourth. When the Goddess of the fourth world begged for his help, he gave her a sermon about managing it herself, she's a god right? etc etc. Kind of amusing.
Wait what?
>>155901307
>>155891496
You ijjits need to sauce up things you talk about.
>>155906533
Sure, because its a reason for the adventures. Cartography itself is pointless and there doesnt need to be some deeped well explored cartography organization explained or competition in it.
>>155906823
if your into chink shit the nine cauldrons follows a dude doing cultivation shit being an asshole assassin for the first book and dies saving his brother while taking down some of the biggest badasses in that world, then proceeding to get isekai'd to a primitive world where he ends up developing all kinds of stupid abilities and shit from his old world, written by the same dude who did coiling dragon, desolate era and swallowed star.
>>155906975
Pills?
>>155906925
A ton of the Arifureta epilogue chapters have been translated now. In Lily's arc that was mentioned.There, Kouki faced his own way of living and through many twists and turns he saved the world but……
At that time, when Hajime who was begged by Kouki’s childhood friends and his wife rushed to where Kouki was for assistance, just when the series of event were resolved and they were going ‘no, let’s go home’, another summoning assaulted Kouki as though to say「Next one, please take care of ii~t」.
Kouki was on the verge of tears while yelling「I don’t want anymoreeeeee~~~」and he wasted no time to cling tightly at Hajime who was nearby him. Demon king-sama got flustered「Wai-, you-」but it was already too late.
While the childhood friends and wives were staring in a daze, both of them intimately went through another world summoning for the third time.
To tell the truth, after various things were happening at that world, they got summoned for the fourth time. Kouki was a softhearted person, but as expected it seemed that he snapped toward the goddess that requested「I want you to save the world」, and in front of the watching Hajime he,
「You stupid idiot-. Why are you giving up like this! Do your best-, do your best! You are a goddess right! If it’s you then you can do it-. You can do it by yourself! You surely can! Believe in me who believe in you! If you give up, then it’s the end for the world y’know!」
Like that, entrusting himself to the momentum Kouki insisted「Please manage it somehow by yourself」.
>>155891496
He is going to die in the end right? For his sins.
Waiting warmly for fantasy isekai where:
- MC is not a murderous edgeshit
- No adventure guild
- No dungeonshit
- MC doesn't try to improve life in that world using technologies of his/her world
>>155907081
Yeah right. In the first chapter they said he becomes godking.
>>155907113
What kind of MC wouldn't try to improve his life in a shitty fantasy medieval world? Those places are rarely all that comfortable because of the low tech.
Current Syosetsuka Top 20 ranking
#1 Mushoku Tensei
#2 Kenkyou kenjitsu
#3 Hachinan tte
#4 Arifureta
#5 Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
#6 Death March
#7 Re:Zero
#8 Slave Harem
#9 Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?
#10 Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi
#11 Shield Hero
#12 Isekai Shokudou
#13 Watashi, nouryoku wa heikinchi dette itta yo ne
#14 Konjiki no Moji Tsukai
#15 Fairytale Chronicle
#16 Reincarnated into a Werewolf, the Demon Lords Assistant
#17 Magi's Grandson
#18 I’m a NEET but When I Went to Hello Work I Got Taken to Another World
#19 Legend
#20 Because Janitor-san Is Not a Hero
How does this make you feel /a/? I welcome the new era of perfected wish fulfillment after all there is no other reason to watch chinese cartoons or post on a Taiwanese message board! Bless the nips!
>>155907025
>that TL quality
I'm glad that this is getting an official release.
>>155907132
No one can escape punishment of murder it is basics. Even Cain from bible got horrible punishment and eternal suffering.
>>155907113
What exactly do you want the MC to do?
Are there any Isekais with language barriers?
I have only watched/read a few and they were either resolved through magic, did not exist or were only an issue in written form.
>>155907169
I'm willing to excuse it since the translator dumped like 50 of the epilogue chapters in the last month. I honestly never thought any of those would get translated.
>>155907162
>Arifureta is fourth
Holy shit nips truly retarded. How can anyone read that shit and think it's anything better than a guilty pleasure?
>>155907162
Worst part is Mushoku Tensei is literally everything wrong with Isekai's
>>155907162
>Hachinan
Fucking why? It's boring as shit.
>>155906625
I need this in a physical way
>>155907297
Have you read Death march?
The more the wish fulfillment the higher the ranking
>>155907288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y33hGaEgW7U
>Mark of murder
I don't know what it's mean but it sounds not good.
>>155905782
The amount of industry that goes into mass producing firearms is much more than one person can possibly handle. Early guns and crossbows make armies win wars, it doesn't make small groups of people invincible.
Let's say you make 20 guns and convince a village to help you. With shitty muskets and poorly trained peasants you would be lucky to get two volleys off before you get run down.
>>155907162
>#1 Mushoku Tensei
no anime
>#2 Kenkyou kenjitsu
no anime
>#3 Hachinan tte
no anime
>#4 Arifureta
no anime
>#5 Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
no anime
>#6 Death March
upcoming anime
>#7 Re:Zero
upcoming anime
>#8 Slave Harem
no anime
>#9 Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?
no anime
>#10 Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi
no anime
>#11 Shield Hero
no anime
>#12 Isekai Shokudou
no anime
>#13 Watashi, nouryoku wa heikinchi dette itta yo ne
no anime
>#14 Konjiki no Moji Tsukai
no anime
>#15 Fairytale Chronicle
no anime
>#16 Reincarnated into a Werewolf, the Demon Lords Assistant
no anime
>#17 Magi's Grandson
no anime
>#18 I’m a NEET but When I Went to Hello Work I Got Taken to Another World
no anime
>#19 Legend
no anime
>#20 Because Janitor-san Is Not a Hero
no anime
Thank god, the industry hasn't TOTALLY lost all sanity yet.
>>155907162
>#8 Slave Harem
this isn't even isekai it's just strait up smut
>>155907162
>the only straight up good one instead of just memes is because janitor-san is not a hero because its nothing but straight out and out suffering porn
i swear to shit japan, thats why i'm getting bored with your crap and reading chink/gook shit.
>>155907162
The only good isekai at that top 20 is Isekai Shokudou.
Why are isekai threads so popular? It's like /a/ actually likes isekais?
>>155907327
Where do you think you are?
>>155907162
>#1 Mushoku Tensei
Expected.
>#2 Kenkyou kenjitsu
I thought this one has been dead for a while?
>#3 Hachinan tte
This one should be dead. Author has no idea what to do with it.
>#4 Arifureta
Epilogue chapters, so many epilogue chapters.
>#5 Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
Wasn't this one finished?
>#6 Death March
Terrible.
>#7 Re:Zero
Haven't tried it. Not interested.
>#8 Slave Harem
Terrible.
>#9 Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?
Next LN needs to come out so more WN releases.
>#10 Tondemo Skill de Isekai Hourou Meshi
Supermarket Power?
>#11 Shield Hero
Adventures of Spear Hero still going?
>#12 Isekai Shokudou
Need more chapters. I like the style of this one.
>#13 Watashi, nouryoku wa heikinchi dette itta yo ne
Fun idiotic MC. Very average.
>#14 Konjiki no Moji Tsukai
Terrible.
>#15 Fairytale Chronicle
Haven't even heard of this one.
>#16 Reincarnated into a Werewolf, the Demon Lords Assistant
Haven't tried it.
>#17 Magi's Grandson
Terrible.
>#18 I’m a NEET but When I Went to Hello Work I Got Taken to Another World
Mediocre.
>#19 Legend
Haven't tried it.
>#20 Because Janitor-san Is Not a Hero
Terrible.
>>155907357
most of them have published manga, it's only a matter of time.
>>155907308
Well, yeah. It was one of the first popular ones so there's a bit of the seinfeld effect going on.
>>155907357
isekai just took off big time in the last year. Those all just got a manga. You have to give it a second to get an anime. Its going to happen. progression is
WN->LN->Manga->Anime
Its GOING to happen. Its just a matter of when. Since most of them have a manga ALREADY the anime is 2 years off max.
>>155907406
/a/ likes isekais because it brings adventure into a new world where people can escape to. /a/ hates isekais because all of it is trash, except the one by Mark Twain.
>>155907470
>seinfeld effect?
>>155907497
Cory in the house is my favorite isekai.
>>155907345
>>155907345
>The amount of industry that goes into mass producing firearms is much more than one person can possibly handle.
Depends on the setting. In RTW the MC is an engineer and his waifu is a witch who can use her powers for extremely fine metalworking. He makes a lot of cannons/guns. Also does steam engines, concrete, hot air baloons/zeppelins, bombs, soap, etc.
>>155907327
I read around 20 chapters of the manga before dropping it. Death March was insanely boring; the MC gets overpowered right after he crosses over, then proceeds to fuck around and pretends to be ordinary for the foreseeable future. I guess a lot of nips have a powerfantasy where they are incredibly powerful, but only do boring shit way below their level.
>>155907512
Basically the seinfeld effect is when something becomes popular by being inmovative and good, it tends to age poorly because everyone steals the good shit and makes it standard fare. People who read or watch it later are familiar with other series and won't find it as good as people once did.
>>155907541
The biggest turn off is the collection of little girls. Like its pandering to moe fags.
>>155907567
>mushoku
>innovative and good
Really not following here
>>155907541
Yeah Death March is pretty retarded for most of it. The dragon from the very beginning actually points out the problem multiple times, which is that the main character has no goal and is just doing random shit. That gets fixed eventually but it takes forever.
>>155905048
>fully grown men that have trained all their lives in the army of their world to become soldiers.
pretty sure MC trained harder and longer than them
>>155907602
hes saying mushoku did it first and everyone is a damn copycat, thus since people read hordes and hordes of mediocre shit that stole elements from it people going back to it proceed to think its shit.
>>155907535
which LN is this? sounds interesting.
>>155907535
I suppose so, but 'oh wow I watched a youtube video on muskets' shouldn't ever be an 'I win' button. The sort of stuff you mention makes it sound like the MC would be stupid op even without knowledge of firearms. It's just dumb to think that a single person can take over the world because he knows how to make a gun.
>>155907162
Having read 16/20 of those WNs/LNs I have to say they're all shit. Sure they may be enjoyable at one point in time, but everyone can hit the writing lottery at some point in time.
>>155907640
release that witch aka chinks saved isekai
gooks also helped with dungeon defense
>>155907636
You don't need to go back to think its shit. It is and has always been. But its pure wish fulfillment. There was never a point were such levels of pandering to failed humans could ever be acceptable writing.
>>155907640
Release that witch, its about a guy who isekai'd into some useless shit prince in fantasy land and is playing sim city 1200's style now involving witches that can actually into magic instead of just insane shit peasents.
>>155907602
It's not good, it just did it first. We all hate isekai shit because it's a very tired genre but mushoku landed when everyone wasn't so jaded.
>>155907308
I know it gets a lot of hate here but for me Mushoku is the least of whats wrong with narou isekai. Good actual adventure segments with somewhat amusing events, okayish worldbuilding, actual harem with marriage and kids NOT at the end of the story and that somewhat develops even after the marriage though the focus is mainly on Syplhy. Somewhat fleshed out heroines with personality.
Antagonist that's not evil for the sake of evil and there being a grand bigger picture in the background. Proper foreshadowing and an ending which feels fitting for a story that describes a characters life and growth from a child to an adult(even though the execution was shit)
It was probably one of the very few borderline readable ones out of that trash can known as narou.
>>155907695
>failed humans
But that's the entire lot since they're all so damn ugly.
>>155907731
No I don't hate isekais. I hate the bad wish fulfilling pandering ones.
Re: Zero is fine. Death March is shit. Mushoku is the worst offender.
>>155907769
I only read the manga for mushoku and i just comes off as intensely creepy. I've never liked the reincarnation into a child thing for that reason.
>>155907675
Well currently he's not trying to take over the world. He has no special abilities and the witches have magical abilities but they aren't super OP.
Right now he's just developing the western frontier of the country but the church and his retarded brother (royal sibling power struggle) keep trying to attack him. Of course trying to sneak in footsoldiers by boat when the river has 16 camouflaged bunkers with cannons guarding it doesn't end well.
>>155907162
>#1 Mushoku Tensei
At least they don't have complete shit taste. Feelsgood.
>>155907252
can I get a link to the TL?
>>155906298
In Sevens the concept of adventurers guilds is somehow explored. In the last volumes the MC overthrows a guild by politics and keikaku.
>>155907769
>failed human neet
>fat
>40 yrs old
>Too late to accomplish ANYTHING in his life
>Sacrifices himself to trucksama because hes good deep down (fucking bullshit)
>reincarnated
>second chance at life
>become insanely powerful at young age
>everyone admires you
>women love you
Its literally
>HEY YOU FAILED AT LIFE, TRY AGAIN FOR FREE
Shitty writing at its peak.
>>155891496
Sounds edgy.
>>155907847
How? I read the titles and he's in the 13th generation? Lyle should be dead.
>>155907825
Its shit but manga's presentation is much much worse+Omitting tons of events.
>>155907847
I got bored of Sevens because the MC is constantly retarded and boring and they just keep shoving a metric fuckton of waifu's making the collective party way the shit too big, it eventually got too the point where there were too many characters to actually give a shit about, do they ever fix any of that as time goes on or not?
>>155906823
Rain
one of the enemies turns out to be some isekai guy from our world
>>155907769
>>155907825
>maturing
If that's the case, then time travel should have never been introduced. Lack of responsibility, chain of events being contrived, your own premise of growth being hypocritical, and just pure bullshit. Saihate is now the best one so far. End of story.
>>155907904
I'm something like 2/3 of the way through it (right after he leaves Beim) and it seems like the author is trying to focus on the MCs character development now. He still has way too many waifus. I'm pretty sure he takes the cake for largest harem (currently at 11 I think, probably gets more).
>>155907880
The story is exactly about that though, a mental change from a manchild to a decent human being and a second chance. The only reason you can hate the MC is if you're projecting.
>Women Love you
Only 3 who become his wives. And chemistry with Eris for example developed throughout the adventure. It felt very natural she didn't love him suddenly. I'm not saying this is a msterpiece but its much better written compared to like 90% of the trash on that website.
>>155907880
It's shitty writing but you have to admit that the concept is very appealing. Whi doesn't want to travel back in time to fix their mistakes?
The thing is that popular things don't necessarily get popular by being good, they get popular by having a good hook and satisfying what a person wants for themselves, really. There's a reason selfinsert power fantasies are so popular.
>>155907308
Not a chance, its probably the best isekai out there. It uses a lot of shitty tropes but the execution is pretty good. By the time the MC reunites with his father I completly forgot I was reading isekai.
>>155907162
From the ones I've read Mushoku is the only decent one there together with kumo when it concerns WNs.
What a fucking ride, if only it didn't drop the ball at the end.
>>155908068
I wouldn't want to fix any mistakes in this world since the females in it are all so ugly. I don't see how someone can miss the point so completely.
>>155907880
Well actually like of this trope, he's failed then given a second chance then he actually did his best at his second chance.
I still hate commusho because of this.
>>155908082
>its probably the best isekai out there
>self insert wish fulfillment haremshit
>By the time the MC reunites with his father I completly forgot I was reading isekai.
that's the problem. so much isekai just is isekai so you can self insert easier. there's no point for it to be an isekai story just write fantasy.
>>155908054
Sorry Im not a failed human and Im not blind to shitty wish fulfillment
>>155908068
It really isnt. At least in shit like Death March and others the MC wasn't a complete failure. Failures belong in the trash where they belong. An old fat geezer prancing around in a childs body molesting little girls is just disgusting.
>>155908082
You are truly pathetic if you think Mushoku is the best Isekai. I am trying to visibly imagine how much of a failure your life must be for you to enjoy it.
>>155908129
>be lazy and accomplish nothing in your life
>lol no worries
You like it because you can't accept owning up to your own life.
>>155907825
The manga is only creepy because it keeps showing us the fat NEETbeard.
>>155907308
Mushoku is mediocre imo but with some very hype events, however the template got copy/pasted so many times that it influenced a lot of reoncarnation stories. That shit has to stop.
>>155907841
Nevermind i found them, holy shit i didnt think it could get even more retarded.
"and then his dad is the company president, and his mom is a manga artist, and they are very well off, so they have a super big house and they are totally ok with the MC having a harem, and no one complains, and if they do the MC can just kick their ass."
This isnt even trying to hide the selfwank anymore, it reads like a 12 YOs power fantasy
>>155908240
Reincarnation*
>>155908119
What is your point? That Rudeus doesn't deserve a second chance? The relationships with his wives are developed pretty well, it's not like they just fell in love with him at first sight. His personal power isn't even strong by that world's standards; there are more than a few characters that he'll never beat because he'll never be on their level. Unless you just think that failed NEETs don't deserve a second chance, there is no reason to hate Mushoku Tensei compared to the rest of the garbage out there.
>>155908219
No I just like that redemption story in general.
If there's story about ex-deliquent boy that want to try fixing his young life, I would watch/read it. I like to see his striving to not make mistake anymore.
>>155907888
The titles are just Lyle talking to his descendants. The series happens in the spawn of 2 years iirc
>>155907904
At the end they just shove girls to the mc for status and political standing. Romance is just there so the ancestors can make fun of lyle. Although at the end hechooses his main waifu, who happens to be first girl
>>155907419
Pretty sure spear hero is already finished, doesnt mean the series as a whole is going to go down because of that.
Curse the people who thought purging the other thread was a good idea.
>>155908277
Its not redemption when you never have to deal with your mistakes. its literally erasing your failures. The height of wish fulfillment.
>>155907162
>Mushoku
>Re:Zero
>Kumo
>shokudou
Don't care about the rest.
>>155908176
Don't get me wrong, I conpletely agree with you on that part. It's just creepy. But the target market is people who don't think that it is. It's targeted towards people who want to be that pathetic loser who was given a second chance and who excels at everything because all they needed to do was try. It is pathetic, but can you blame them?
>>155908082
Bullshit, it's not.
>>155908068
> Who wouldn't want to travel back in time
The people who are content with their lives, lived with the mistakes they've made, and accept the responsibility.
>>155908054
>Be nice pretty much all the time to the girls and be their hero and this equals development as it will be worth it when you get pussy.
>>155908335
>It's targeted towards people who want to be that pathetic loser who was given a second chance and who excels at everything because all they needed to do was try. It is pathetic, but can you blame them?
Exactly it's just self-insert wish fulfillment shit.
>>155908335
>can you blame them?
I know the market is there. That doesnt make the writing any less shitty. Running away from your shitty life. Isekai is the worst form of escapism.
>>155908302Not surprising, Lyle really is a retard.
A loyal retard.
>>155908268
I'm not the guy you were responding to and I don't have a problem with any of these series but you retards need to stop equating everything to 3d. Successful people have to deal with looking at butt ugly animals all day too unless they have low standards and these things provide a respite.
>>155908371
Come on, never wished you could go back in time a week to win the lottery or anything? Time travel is cool, but very few people ever do it right.
>>155908308
Call it wish fulfillment or whatever I don't care. Like I said I just want to see story about people fix their mistake. Whether it's on his life or his new life, whatever I don't care.
And I don't try to defend MT, I don't even really like it, but his action is based on his mistake on his past life, he's afraid to make a same mistake again. Well I only know this based on the manga, so I don't know the rest of the story, but I just like to see people does that.
At very least it's not that commusho that the MC still thinks that the problem that happened to him in his past life is from other people's problems not him when actually he's the problem. And I doubt it will be fixed since he's given charm skill that makes people just like him.
When you compare this two, I think at very least MT isn't that bad.
>>155908308
Except the guy realizes what kind of shit person he's been when Paul dies and how he never even went to the funeral of his real parents. He even tries to send his brother a letter in the real world. I was impressed how he changed by the end of the story and how toned down his inner monologue became. He was still a pervert but learned a little more about life and mentally escaped the cage where he was trapped in since the age of 21 or when he became a hikikokomori.
I haven't see a work on narou even try that. Thats why i really dig mushoku in that pile of garbage. Characters develop. Heroines develop. World is built slowly during adventures and doesn't put down everything in your mouth right away. Whats not to like when it comes to shitty isekai scene where nothing ever changes and its same old same old formula.
>>155908268
>That Rudeus doesn't deserve a second chance?
Theres a difference between second chance and running away from your life.
Original poster, not the guy you are having a conversation with though.
>>155908402
>>155908219
>You are truly pathetic if you think Mushoku is the best Isekai.
Maybe I phrased it wrong, its the best jap reincarnation isekai. Its still pretty good tho.I have an average/mediocre life but I know a successful guy who liked it.
>>155908402
>liking isekai = running away from your shitty life
I know it's hard for you to understand, but not everybody self-inserts into whatever they read.
>>155908491
If you have to get to the end of the story to get that sort of resolution it's too little too late.
>>155908494
And an statistical improbability shrouded as a miracle that's in reality a self-fullfilling prophecy.
>>155908402
What if I ran away from a good life into a better life? Consider that for a moment.
>>155908481
>fix their mistake
isekai is literally running away from your mistake.
If Rudy got in shape, exercised, took a skill and made something with his life it would be fixing it. But no, just run away. Disgusting.
>>155908491
You can't develop after running away from your problems. You have to face them. Unless he goes back to japan he will always be a creepy fat neck beard old geezer for wish fulfillment with no redeeming qualities.
>>155908574
There's a few isekais where the Mc could have lived an otherwise OK life had they not been isekai'd
>>155908445
>Time travel is cool, but very few people ever do it right.
I would go back in time and shoot moot.
>>155908533
You don't have to self insert to see thats exactly what it is. Thats the driving force behind the genre. You have to be a retard to not see that.
Any isekai where MC is summoned to another world for a more exciting life is NEET wishfulfillment bullshit. having the MC be a failure makes it 100% intolerable.
>>155908587
He realized his mistake when he was kicked from home. Regret always comes later.
>>155908621
They originally most likely did not live in a world with mediocre quality females though
>>155908587
>You can't develop after running away from your problems
Yes you can life is not a drama o movie where everything has a closure.
>mediocre quality females though
>Shieldbro and Re:zero
You're onto something.
>>155908636
Yeah sure you realize your mistake after its all wiped clean. LOL just try harder this time right. You can't redeem a character when you completely remove their past. How are they supposed to face it.
>>155908587
He can't go back thats the thing you missed. He has a family now, a responsibility he couldn't take in his previous life and you're telling him to go back? He would be committing the same mistake this time around and running away even from his current life, thats the point.
In that sense I hated how bakemono no ko for example executed this when the MC had NO reason to go back.
>>155908632
it feels like only haters self insert
>>155908621
Are they all death march bad.
>>155908681
You clearly just want to shitpost. Okay, I give you a (you).
>>155908632
Why does it trigger you so much that the MC was a failure? He used to be a terrible person and over the course of the story he became a better person. That's it. Is it wrong to enjoy such a story?
>>155908687
Exactly and thats why he gives the letter to nanahoshi. He's mentally prepared now to face his brother but he also has physically no way to go back. If he fucks up and dies during transportation who is going to protect his family from Hitogami?
>>155908704
most isekais are as bad as or worse than death march.
>>155908247
That was actually mentioned at one point in the actual story.
>>155908519
>its the best jap reincarnation isekai
Well that might be accurate because I can't think of any actually good ones.
>>155908655
Yeah because in life you have to deal with your mistakes and move on. Theres no second chances in life kid. Self inserting into an isekai is the best youre gonna get. Pathetic though really.
>>155907308
nah MC actually has flaws that work against him
politics were actually interesting
no one cared about his "superior nippon cooking"
side characters had their own arcs and characterization
His OP abilities and items have glaring weaknesses (magic hax makes him squishy wizard, power-armor always have logistic issues) that get exploited by enemies often
Hell they even presented he Adventure guilds and Labyrinth just to shoot it down because "there's no point in doing it" (though they do do it anyway so it doesn't really count).
still has the wish fulfillment but compared to all the Mary Sue powerfantasies it's quite the opposite of "everything wrong with Isekai"
>>155908704
Only ones i read that have that are Arifureta, Shield hero, Re:Zero, and Slime datta ken.
And i said sorta ok lives, some of them might be a bit less fortunate on how they get there but would have been fine.
>>155908751
>Theres no second chances in life kid
Holy shit, how old are you? You've never heard of times where people have turned their lives around? You need to grow up.
>>155908751
>other people's mistakes are your own
drop the pretenses and no thanks
>>155908687
>He can't go back
Never thought he could. Just shrugging your past life for your new isekai one. Shit writing was from teh start. There was never any way for it to be redeemed. Don't write yourself into a whole then say you only had shit options to direct the story after that.
>>155908746
Acknowledging that its garbage does not stop it from being garbage.
>>155908715
I accept your concession. Go back to being a pathetic failure and self insert into some disgusting old man running around as a child. Im sure its better than your life.
>>155908698
Just because you are blind to it because you are pandered to doesnt mean anyone who can see its shit is self inserting.
>>155908811
Well I just meant that it coming up in the epilogue chapters isn't anything new.
>>155908722
>Why does it trigger you so much that the MC was a failure?
Shitty writing is why Im triggered. The premise is completely unexcuseable wish fulfillment bullshit. And the actual story is exactly that. Combine that with other isekai tropes and you have pure cancer.
>>155908678
I was equating 3d with "good" and 2d with "better" since everyone seems to want to bring reality into everything for some reason
>>155908751
Running away from your problems its not the same as not facing the consequences of your mistakes, learn to shitpost properly.
>>155908753
Not a single thing there makes it decent.
>155908812
>dat ad hominem
>projecting this much
>>155907880
oh please
I'd take 1000 Rudis over Mary Sues like Rou, Kirito, Hajime, and this fucker >>155891496 anyday.
not the best MC but compared to them he might as well be god-tier
>>155908783
Turning your life around and living with your mistakes is not the same thing as having your past wiped you fucking failure.
>>155908866
Yeah i guess we talked about different things, but i understand now what you mean. Though i would argue there's a few of them that don't need the "better" stuff somehow.
>>155908903
>id take fat 40 year old man with 0 accomplishments
Probably because you can relate. he is a gary stu of the worst kind.
>>155908519
>>155908749
> MT
> Best reincarnation story.
Fuck you.
>>155908831
except that's all you've been going on about, it's as if what you are really complaining about is how these MCs are not the right inserting figures for you
Holy shit the samefagging from an autist who hates the premise of redemption.
>>155908788
>>155908918
He never shrugged his past life. What is so hard to understand unless you actually didn't read the novel? He's literally learning from his mistakes, you can't fix the past but learning from it and applying to the current life is the basics of the basics. Just how jaded are you?
>>155908918
>you fucking failure
Nice projecting, everybody who likes MT is a failure huh? You should probably get back to failing in your own life instead of projecting your insecurities onto random people on an imageboard.
>>155908886
you can at least agree it makes it tolerable
or else you favor those Isekai MC's that don't face any difficulties and just curb-stomp all their enemies.
>>155909004
Take your fallacies else where. Escapism of this level is disgusting. It will never be good. It is objectively shit. There is no redeeming quality to it.
>>155909018
>everybody who likes MT is a failure
Its literally impossible to be blind to shit this bad otherwise
>>155908972
>not wanting a mary sue MC means you're a loser
I'm sorry I like my characters flawed
>>155908918
Ok its clear you didn't even read the novel, here's your last (You).
>>155909014
>replying to different post
>samefag
I hate neo/a/. Not even worth replying to you post explaining who you are a failure.
>>155909029
It can't be saved. Dropped the ball at the start. Theres no recovering it.
>>155909058
Dude I think Rudeuses past life caused a resonance and you're projecting extremely hard. You can still fix your life you know?
>>155908991
You can't even completely judge this yet. It's not even finished.
>>155909067
Of course I didnt finish reading the piece of shit. The writing in the novel is worst than the manga with is actually really hard to do. You gonna tell me MC goes back to his world and corrects his life from where he left it. Or does it stay erased forever because lol isekai you failures have no impact. Id APOLOGIZE right now if Im wrong.
>>155908894
> Doesn't reply properly.
Anon, when you are arguing with that other anon, you reply properly.
>>155909109
How the fuck can I relate to a failure neet. If you can relate and enjoy it its probably too late for your life.
>>155909037
>it's escapism because I don't like it
On the contrary, I am finding enlightenment in it.
>>155909058
Sorry you can't self-insert into Rudi because his first life triggers you so much. I guess you should stick to reading things like Arifureta and Death March where the MCs are edgy, retarded, and overpowered.
>>155909144
>mushoku tensei isnt escapism
This is just pathetic
>155909131
As a fellow (you) lovers, I know you just want some (you)s, but your posts don't worth any (you)s anymore from me.
>>155909131
>he doesn't know how to not give (You)s
Embarrassing.
>>155909118
I see you have that mindset but what has already happened in the past can't be corrected.
If Rudeus did what you're saying right now he would be running away again. And there's nothing to correct his parents are dead, his family ruined how do you want him to correct that? You're so jaded that you can't even see that. The least he could do is make up with his brother which he is still trying to accomplish if he had a safe way to return home.
>>155909162
>HURR THIS ISNT SHIT BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO SHIT
not how it works. Both arifureta and death march had potential and just failed at it. Arifureta would have been tolerable if it ended with the first dungeon. If death march introduced a fucking plot it could be passable. MT is pure garbage.
>>155909196
(You)
>>155909162
Last time I checked from the anon's responses, he fucking hates those series.
>>155909139
It really seems like you did I mean its irrational to hate a character who redeemed himself with hard work and dedication that much.
>>155909218
Here (you)
These days I'm only reading three novels and they're all CN
Martial God Asura, whose MC is so edgy he tortured someone with a reverse-rape formation
Emperor's domination which is good when the author isn't making 2-3 entire chapters of jackshit between anything that acutally happens.
and Long Live Summons which was awesome at first basically Rance if he was a pokemon trainer and a super Saiyan, but these days they're stalling the entire plot for waifuism.
>>155909171
I can self-insert without running away or feeling ashamed you know
Anything for the cute 2d girls
>>155909213
>capslock greentext quoting
Aw, I know you can do better. Go on, tell us about your great taste. You should give us a recommendation since we're all such failures for liking MT.
>>155909213
Now I know what kind of shit taste you have if you thought those had potential. Just keep to your disgusting wish fulfillment.
Mushoku is a fucking masterpiece compared to those.
>>155909213
>Arifureta
>Death march
>Potential
All of these in one sentence hoooly shiiitt. And you call mushoku garbage? Get outta here.
>>155909199
>>155909196
>>155909276
>>155909218
Wait, who the fuck are you trying to reply to? What's going on in this fucking thread?
Alas poor thread, i hardly knew ye.
>>155909058
You sound somehow pedantic. While you can guess a man character for what he reads, you have to account all, not just a specific work.
[spoiler[I ve read the bible, but im no christian, I ve read lots of "high literature" classics like Don Quixote and Kafka stuff, and I have also read GoT and twilight, etc[/spoiler]
>>155909359
troll is baiting the MTfans
>>155909359
That fucker who is baiting on this thread
>>155909343
>>155909300
>>155909298
Ok. Who the fuck is replying to who here?