Stopped reading right there

>>155808583
Kill yourself

>>155808888
quads confirm, do it faggot

>>155808583
Hilariously the video game setting actually makes sense in that series and isn't just an asspull. The main plot is actually about dismantling the system that makes the world run on RPG rules.

But yeah, I hate the video game world bullshit too.

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>>155808888
>>155808943
sure reading this dreck made me want to do it anyway

thanks

>>155808583
your loss

thanks for informing us that you do not like this type of manga. May you find a type of manga you prefer

>>155808964
adding post-hoc reasons why it's an RPG world doesn't make it any less of an asspull

>>155809093
>post-hoc
It's not really though.
I don't really want to defend the series, I dropped it (the novel) for other reasons, but the RPG shit isn't really an asspull or shit for the sake of shit. It actually makes sense.

>>155809268
so you're saying a justification was not made up after the basic concept of "girl goes to RPG world as a small spider mob" was established? I find it difficult to believe.

I don't really care what weasel words you use to defend it, it's shit.

>>155808583
'Adventurers Guild' bother me more then that. There's normally all kinds of hoops to jump through to make those things make any sense in half the settings for these kinds of stories.

I don't mind, 'The world is an RPG because I say so.' It makes me look down on the author a bit, and assume they have limited experience in life outside of playing games in their room, but I can forgive it.

>>155809336
are you me?

>>155809323
>I find it difficult to believe.
I can't promise you that the author didn't change plans as they wrote, but it doesn't seem that way. I'm assuming you've only the manga? At the very least the explanation for the RPG world was in place before she exited the cave she was born in and the story has been consistent.

I'm not recommending the book, but yeah.

>>155809387
Yes.
There are only two people on 4chan.
Chances are anyone you talk to on here is you.

>>155809510
>>155809387
Though I think the RPG case is ok in MMO series or in series all about the powerleveling.

Adventure guilds on the other hand just don't work it's an indicator that the author doesn't really have any plans of their Mary sue MC

>>155809336
I actually tried reading ahead a bit more, and from what I can see it's totally used to replace any kind of character growth or world building or exposition by "magical numbers that appear". No need to actually be clever or practice when you can just sink some skill points into poison or web or whatever.

>>155809323
There's actually a very good reason for it that definitely seems like it was planned from the start. Best reason of any isekai I've read at least because it actually has a reason and isn't "you died now you reincarnate because random lucky".

If you actually care (you probably don't but w/e): the deity in charge of both worlds was in the MCs world. Two people in the RPG world were trying to kill them and attacked them across worlds, which didn't do much to them but killed a bunch of innocent bystanders (the class). Deity felt responsible for their deaths and decided to reincarnate them in the RPG world. Also MC is literally a spider and the deity gave them fake memories of the person the deity was pretending to be.

>>155809837
>There's actually a very good reason for it

like I said, I don't care what post-hoc plot was made up to justify the decision to go with RPG world, it's shit

>>155809837
So the entire world is just a cellphone novel written by haruhi?

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>>155810018
>koizumi's society worship her as a god
>that means she is

my favorite meme from my favorite passive readers, love it

>>155809714
I think I read one thing were the adventuring guild made sense. What was it?

Oh, yeah, Lazy Dungeon Master. Adventurers' Guild exists as a state run service to manipulate people who farm dungeons into not killing said dungeons, since the state is run a dungeon. Dungeons are living organisms in that setting with avatar like forms separate from their cores, monsters, and passages.

>>155809779
Later she transcends the system and becomes a god. All the numbers go away for her and she just because a plot device the other characters revolve around.
I'm not defending the writing, it's lazy and poorly paced in many places. i'm just saying that the RPG setting Makes Sense and isn't unreasonable.

>>155810010
why did you even make this thread then?

You want people to validate you or something?

>>155810010
>post-hoc
All evidence points to this not being the case.

>>155810205
I'm at least 60% mad and I wanted to see you try to defend it, especially because I've seen people shilling this on other boards like it was good

>>155810018
That's actually exactly the kind of tone he was going for.

>>155810257
so you're saying in the creative process, the high concept was not the first thing to be decided?

>>155810010
Well yeah RPG world in general isn't that great, besides Dungeon Defense (which makes sense because the world is literally a video game, and also RPG shit is barely ever used).

I was just saying that there's a solid reason for them to reincarnate in another world and they didn't just start with a "girl reincarnates as a spider mob" premise. Plus it's spider reincarnates as a spider mob the MC was always a spider

>>155809779
???
She level skills up by practicing them, points are only used to acquire completely new skills.

>>155808583
I want to fuck this spider.

>>155810309
even if you wanted to make an RPG world, it's completely dumb to use video game mechanics for it, then it's really no different from just playing a game, the interesting part is thinking how it would be if it was real, you don't need something silly like XP or HP or skill trees when the reality of learning skills, wounds, and so on can be used by a writer to create a sense of reality

relying on game mechanics is just pure autism, and unless it's literally a game like shit art online it makes no sense

>>155810304
No. I'm saying that the reason the world works like an RPG appears to have been figured out from the beginning of the story. It makes sense, the setting isn't just 'lol that's the way it is'.

>>155810373
I saw at least one page where she used "level up" as a crutch to get out of having to tend her wounds, pure garbage

>>155810436
and it doesn't matter when the decision to make it RPG was made in the first place.

whatever justification you come up with after that fact doesn't change shit

>>155810418
>and unless it's literally a game like shit art online it makes no sense
The world wasn't originally an RPG world. There's a huge fucking machine with a goddess for a power core that is forcing the world to work that way. The fucking plot is literally unplugging the RPG shit from the world.

I mean, there are a ton of other series that ARE exactly the kind of shit you are talking about, but your particular gripe doesn't really apply to Spider Tits.

>>155810278
it is good, you just have shit taste

you didnt even read it because you dont like the premise and you keep saying its shit and the explanation it was all post-hoc to the people who actually read the novels, If you are not trolling then you are seriously retarded.

God damn this reminds of those "professional" game reviewers reviewing Roguelikes and saying "worst RPG ever".
I thought they had pills for autism

>>155810521
I don't care about that. It still makes for a shitty story.

>>155810418
>even if you wanted to make an RPG world, it's completely dumb to use video game mechanics for it
You do realize RPG means Roleplaying GAME right? The whole point of it being an RPG world is that it uses game mechanics. Otherwise it would just be fantasy.

>>155810456
Because there's literally no other way of recovering HP until much later.

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>>155810418
Is always funny see faggot shit in Kumo-chan without even read shit

>>155810571
My assumption is he wants some pen and paper rules settings.

>>155810585
>ITT: A baby bawling all over the place because he didn't like the setting
Holy fuck, I never even read this shit but hating something just because of your preference is just pathetic.

>>155810561
>I don't care about evidences contrary to my claims

>>155810649
Like Forgotten Realms? But that's just fantasy?

>>155810626
It is. The story has so many fucking problems, but no one who complains about it actually ever addresses any of them.

>>155810491
But you just said that shit like Sword Art Online gets a pass. If you just hate the setting then fuck off. No one wants to hear your one sided griping. If you hate a shoddy setting, or forced logic to arrive at a cliche, then let's talk.

>>155810585
HP aren't real

>>155810571
no. korean mmo fantasy is different from other fantasy

>>155810649
there's no point to having a "what if you were transported to a game-like world for real" story if you leave out the "for real" part and just make it a literal game with a floating menu.

>>155810697
Well, no. Maybe like someone is reincarnated into a DnD game and spends the entire story trying to run from the players and prolong the campaign for fear that the world ends with it.

I dunno, something like that maybe, where its still a game world?

>>155810736
>there's no point to having a "what if you were transported to a game-like world for real" story if you leave out the "for real" part and just make it a literal game with a floating menu.
There could be.

>>155810736
Man, you're dumb as fuck, why the fuck are you complain of this shit if you don't even know the fucking point of the story

>>155810666
merely replying isn't evidence

>>155810698
sword art doesn't get a pass, it's a story about a literal game, so it makes sense for it to be a game, in that case the fantasy is "what if you lived inside of an online game", which is still stupid but at least it makes sense from the beginning

>If you hate a shoddy setting, or forced logic to arrive at a cliche, then let's talk.
I do, that's my whole issue here. clearly you don't want to talk.

>>155810736
>no. korean mmo fantasy is different from other fantasy
Example? Are you talking about VRMMO novels? That's not an RPG world that's a normal world which has invented advanced VR games.

>>155810846
>it makes sense for it to be a game,
But the setting in Spider Tits makes sense as well. I really hate being backed into a corner where I have to defend that series, but it does make sense. You keep going back and forth between talking about what makes sense, and what choices you don't like authors to make.

There is a difference between these two things.

>>155810816
its autism, this is legit autism.

dont feed the autist

>>155810923
>But the setting in Spider Tits makes sense as well.
no it doesn't. not at all. don't drag that tired old post-hoc explanation out again, I don't care about it.

How can you not understand how it's post-hoc is what I'm asking

>what if this girl was reincarnated as a spider in
>shock she's a monster spider and the world is different
>and it's an RPG :^) lol
>there's a good reason for that, I know that's not why you read the story but don't worry everything will be explained by page 700 or something xDD
>just keep reading this autistic dreck until then

wew

>>155810992
>be autist
>call others autistic

tapestry

>>155810736
>no. korean mmo fantasy is different from other fantasy
LOL

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>>155811029

>>155811029
Doesn't that mean that all information that doesn't fit into a one paragraph synopsis is just post-hoc explanations?
Literally every work of fiction is post-hoc.

>>155811080
does your daddy know you are on the pc?

Try not to infect it with porn malware this time little timmy

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>>155811120
what's your problem? the story is most interesting when she's discovering being a spider, and using her natural abilities and wits to overcome a dangerous situation, and least interesting when she's playing a generic dungeon crawler with stats and level ups

>the story is shit
>it's okay thought there's a good reason why it's shit
>it was actually meant to be shit right from the beginning!
>you're just autistic xD

>>155811029
>what if the earth was being attacked by weird monsters called "angels"
>also we have to fight them with giant robots
>and the giant robots can only be piloted by 14 year old children :^)

You can do this to any series where part of the attraction of the series is uncovering what is actually happening.

>>155811183
there's nothing wrong with post-hoc if it's used to flesh out something good

the problem here is the premise is fundamentally shit and making up reasons why it's that way doesn't matter, it's still shit.

>>155808583
>Decent premise completely ruined just 24 pages in.
You can't know the premise in 24 pages. Heck, you don't actually know anything about the premise until after she escape from the labyrinth and then some.

Kumo's a god egg.

>>155809440
I don't think hes saying the author changed plans as he wrote it. He is saying the intrinsic factor/driving force was "girl goes to RPG world" and later in the process wrote the narrative in a way to justify it. It has more to do with how the idea was formulated.

>>155811029
>>155810666

>>155811235
there's a key difference here
shinji never levels up his EVA rifle damage with skill points
eva takes its premise seriously and tries to immerse you into its world

>>155811310
yes, finally someone gets it

>>155811029
>just keep reading this autistic dreck until then
No, I said I do NOT recommend the story. There are a lot of reasons why. The RPG setting DOES make sense, and it DOES appear that it was always supposed to be that way. There is no indication that it was changed after the fact for any reason.

>>155811229
The story is kinda shit. That has nothing to do with the setting.
> the story is most interesting when she's discovering being a spider, and using her natural abilities and wits to overcome a dangerous situation, and least interesting when she's playing a generic dungeon crawler with stats and level ups
Both of those things happen before the actual plot even kicks in. You are complaining that nothing makes sense before you even read any of the story at all.

It's a pretty meh series to get your panties in a bundle about.

>>155811381
Except that was never the point of the story, that's just your shitty opinion.
Goddammit the fucking title tell you the fucking point of the story, you autistic fuck.

>>155811330
>RPG mechanics automatically make a series shit.
in your opinion

>>155811494
because instead of having to do things of their own power, or having any of their own thoughts characters just call upon their magical wiki and skill points

what's interesting about that? at all? nothing. no interesting or believable story is possible in such an environment

>>155811381
Did you read the novel? Kumoko's PoV is just one part of the story, manga didn't adapt other characters' perspectives.

>>155811483
>why am I a spider
well it already failed then
title should have been
>why am I a monster from an online game

>>155811541
Nice opinion you have there, fuckboy

>>155811541
Did you never enjoy watching your parent or sibling play an RPG when you were a kid? Hell if you want the protagonist to work for their achievements it gets even worse when she exists the RPG system and becomes a God.

>>155811541
>skill points and analyze skill means the characters don't have agency or power
Can you think up a more retarded way to complain about this?

It seems like you're just butthurt about the author's decision to include RPG mechanics in the story, which probably had a lot to do with that type of story being very popular.

Even though they planned it out in a very logical manner so it wouldn't be like all the other shit out there.

>>155811609
except she isn't in an online game

Manga only reader here. When the fuck does she leave the cave? I picked this up a couple months ago after seeing a thread with some spoilers and I've been waiting for them to happen, but it's been the same running around and survive enemy encounter schtick over and over again. When does something happen?

>>155811612
nice argument

>>155811627
I never enjoyed RPG's period. their mechanics are awful even in game form but at least there they have some sort of justification out of necessity. any kind of enjoyment you'll get out of a real RPG is from immersing yourself into the characters and the world, not grinding stat points, which needs to be something you can just forget about as an abstraction to the story you are making for your character

>>155811609
>online game
Seriously, why the fuck are you complain about this if you don't even read this

>>155810666
Since when did your opinion on anything matter, Satan-kun?

>>155811541
Did you even bother to read before shitposting? Skills are leveled up by using them, skill points are merely entry purchase.
>>155811609
"I'm a spider, so what?"

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>>155811668
could have fooled me

>>155811631
>it's shit
>there's a good reason for it
>it was meant to be shit
>shit is popular
(You)

>ctrl+f post hoc
>10 results

sure is autism in here

>>155811738
and you level up agility in TES by jumping around like an idiot, what a great mechanic to include in your story

no.

>>155811752
So basically you just think anything you don't like is shit.

Problem solved.

>>155811683
>When does something happen?
Something happens every chapter are you even reading? The specific thing you want, exiting the dungeon, happens way later. She doesn't want to leave the cave because humans are scary or whatever just deal with it.

>>155811683
I'd wager the manga gets canned before the story picks up. Give up on it or read the novel.

>>155811690
>immersing yourself into the characters and the world
I only ever played RPGs as a kid to make broken OP characters. I was that guy that played Final Fantasy Tactics with every member of my party being a calculator with a duped Excalibur spamming Holly on the entire board.
I don't really care for them anymore though. I can't into most games, really.

>>155811807
>you're just jealous
tier argument

I already explained why it's shit, since you're so good with ctrl f why don't you find that post?

>>155811827
I did the same thing on FFT, but then in the like 8 other playthroughs I did I banned myself from calculator and could STILL have broken shit, just much less broken.

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Let's ignore the autistic and talk about the LN, someone has the new image of Demon King?

/a/ - Skill Points Ruin Everything

>>155811785
You level up your strength by lifting heavy things what a great mechanic to include in real life.

>>155811868
Those are huge vampire tits
Do we have Kumo's arachne form yet?

>>155811785
Would you rather spend points to jump higher? See, you'll shit on anything.

Why is Potimas such a faggot?

>>155811911
yeah just lift a big boulder 50 times in one day and tomorrow you'll be a level 10 strongman and can put your points into the muscle growth passive stat

>>155811859
I did a playthrough with double cutting knights dual wielding Exclaliburs and Save the Queens and monks with a Cid. Honestly there's too many ways to break the game, that's why I enjoyed it.

>>155811868
Honestly I don't like the story. Someone was just wrong on the Internet.

>>155811965
I'd rather read a story where no "points" of any kind are spent in lieu of actual storytelling

>>155811989
>T.G. Cid

King broken himself. There has never been so great a Cid and there never will be again.

>>155811984
Stamina bar, bitch please.

>>155811989
you have yet to support your position in any way

>>155811844
Now what I was saying. I was just saying if you don't like it just read something else and let the people who get off on RPG mechanics enjoy their RPG mechanics.

It's like a fetish. Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it's terrible. Also yes in some cases it is pretty retarded, but in this specific story it goes away after like half the novel anyways.

>>155811984
>I am literally describing the real life effects of exercise and then complaining that it is unrealistic. Then when someone calls me on it I try using numbers and rpg words to describe it in a more round about manner thinking they won't know.

>>155812023
Me too, but that's just a preference.

>>155812055
>Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it's terrible

the reason I don't enjoy it is that it's terrible. Don't make me go digging through the manga to find instances of where it's used as a crutch to replace real character building

>>155812127
>manga

>>155812146
>you

>>155812023
Ah, great, you finally admitted that you're triggered by "points". Sorry that writers are not obligated to cater to your safe space.

>>155812167
>finally figured out the topic of the thread after 100 posts
>acting clever and smug

>>155812127
The manga only covers like the tit beginning of the story. It's like complaining that the character development is poor on the first page of a 1000 page novel.
Kumo really REALLY isn't the series that illustrates your point. Why aren't we talking about that fucking Goblin series, what was it called? That shit is 100% guilty of everything you are going on about.

>>155812127
>Don't make me do my job and back up my argument for myself.
That is not how this works. You won't convince any of us by just spouting "it's shit because I say so" over and over again.

>>155812127
>manga

This makes a lot more sense now.

See >>155812223

>>155812227
The thing is, I kind of agree with him in principle, but his examples and reasoning are so poor I feel the need to argue against him.

>>155812227
I'm not going to waste my time reading trash for your benefit bucko

if you actually had anything worthwhile to add to the discussion you'd have read it yourself anyway so you know exactly what I'm talking about

>>155812223
>Kumo really REALLY isn't the series that illustrates your point.

then what's that in the OP pic?

>>155812223
Re: Monster?

Yeah that series is garbage.

>>155812281
you still have yet to support your position in any way, passive aggressive posts isn't a substititue of an argument

>>155812301
>then what's that in the OP pic?
Well I'm done.

>>155812301
>if you actually had anything worthwhile to add to the discussion you'd have read it yourself anyway so you know exactly what I'm talking about
I read it and disagree with you, that is why I am posting. You can't straw man your way out of this.

>what is in OP pic
RPG elements, which nobody is denying are in the story, they just disagree with you that they are terrible and make the story shit.

>>155812301
>I'm not going to waste my time reading trash for your benefit bucko
>Hey /a/ I want to talk about something with next to zero fucking information about it.

>>155810418
You obviously have no idea how Kumo's world works.
The System is just an abstraction resembling RPG mechanics. The notion of EXP is without exaggeration, the transfer of energy from those you've killed to yourself. People don't normally get fully healed after leveling up. The protagonists are special in this sense. HP is merely a quantitative measurement of an existence's distance from fatality. Skills are just shortcuts provided by the System.

Stop assuming retarded things just because you only read works written by garbage authors.

>>155812435
I gave reasons for why it's terrible, and since you're so clever I'm sure you can remember them

all I've received so far is
>y-you just don't like it
>that's just like your opinion man
>I-it's popular
>t-there's a good explanation on page 700

absolutely meaningless, and now you're switching to personal attacks since you ran out of that weak ammo above

>>155812498
The guy read the first chapter and a half of the manga and made this thread because he hates RPG mechanics in stories. He has no idea what he is talking about.

>>155812498
I don't care how it "works" or how it's otherwise justified post-hoc. it's bad

>>155812591
>if I keep talking shit without directly replying I'll seem like a cool guy

LN readers, does it also have wall of skill upgrades in every few sentence?

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>>155812555
>I gave my reasons why it's terrible.
That right there is a fucking lie.

>>155812675
OP here, I actually did go to an LN translation to figure out if I missed something because the panel layouts are so confusing and from what I can tell, basically yes

and no it doesn't improve the clarity

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>>155812692
it's not, but I doubt you care about them and just want to shitpost like everyone else because I insulted your spider-fu

>>155812555
>now you're switching to personal attacks
hahahahahaha

>>155812675
It does for the beginning part in the caves, but most of the RPG stuff goes away after a point.

>>155812206
Is this 4blog? No one cares about what your trigger is.

>>155808583
>Oh gee this sure is a common LN trope lol
>Does the trope anyway
WHY THE FUCK DO NIPS KEEP DOING THIS? Seriously if I were to go "Well gee golly blacks do commit a lot of violent crime" and then decked you in the nose and winked at you while brutally raping your girlfriend and repeating "get it, cause this is something blacks do!" would you think I was being fucking clever?

>>155812919
I'm sorry to say but this is the wrong board to have that opinion on

>>155812971
I actually am black. That was an extreme hypothetical to illustrate how annoying this is. not /pol/shit.

>>155812919
>would you think I was being fucking clever?
It's fine, everyone here loves NTR.

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>>155813032
I wasn't talking about blacks or /pol/

>>155813089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCW-WBJM48M&t=40s

>>155809837
> Also MC is literally a spider and the deity gave them fake memories of the person the deity was pretending to be.
that's actually kind of terrifying and sad
I'd hate to learn that I was just kind of suddenly made and my memories were implanted

>>155811785
>TES

You mean baby's first RPG?

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I wan to fuck D

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>>155812919
Your post is actually quite clever, for a black man.

>>155813051
>everyone here loves NTR

>>155809837
I find it funny that you gave a synopsis but never actually got to the point where you explain the reason for there being an RPG-like system.

LIke has been said in this thread, while I despise RPG rules on principle, I do like what Kumo did with it, and I love that the story is about bringing it down.

>>155813850
I was explaining why they were reincarnated not why it was an RPG system.

That has a completely different explanation which has been said like 3-4 times through the thread and you have always replied to it with "I don't care what the reason for it is".

>>155814035
I'm not who you were arguing with, I'm agreeing with you. I just think the reason for the RPG mechanics is far more interesting than the fairly common reason for the class reincarnating (i.e, god fucked up somehow and he's being nice to the collateral damage)

>>155813850
It still makes for a bad read. A story about removing the reason the story is bad is a bit too meta for me.

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>>155812730
>>155812677

>Read the novel because I wanted to read about Drider-Kumo.
>Lasts something like 3 chapters

I am so fucking mad.

>>155814154
It's a questionable read for the first large section, yes. But when the underlying stuff starts coming to the surface it gets genuinely interesting. Before it's just "cute spider doing cute spider things".

>>155808583
Good thread, now fuck off.

>>155814241
>Lasts something like 3 chapters
LN fix that

>>155814241
it's not that cute because of the RPG stuff though

and also I just saw that she murders like a million monkeys with magic spells what the fuck

>>155812919
>does the trope anyway
>anyway
Anyway what? It's not like the author is shitting on the trope.

>>155814303
How so?

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>>155814329

>>155814326
I don't like the RPG shit either, but Kumo is a likeable enough character to ignore that for. And the plot to dismantle the system, in my opinion, makes up for the prominence of it in the first parts.

>158 posts on a "I dont like the premise therefore its shit" thread

Sasuga, /a/

>>155814329
>point out trope as if you're going to subvert or avert it
>Follow trope to the T
WHY POINT IT OUT AT ALL!? You're not being clever you're just explaining why you're shit writer.

>/a/ defending isekai garbage
I'm shocked

>>155814479
there's not much to her character as she never does anything out of her own power after the first chapter or so

and also apparently she becomes a psycho later on

>>155814630
>she never does anything out of her own power after the first chapter or so
Wat

>>155814873
stat management, calling out abilities and timing levelups isn't much of a character

>>155814920
almost forget the times when she calls upon her magical wiki for exposition

>>155811029
>girl

>>155814536
>WHY POINT IT OUT AT ALL!?
You could make the same argument from the other side, why have a character point out that you're not doing something? It's just as pointless and clumsy in most cases, and the explanation is just the same - it's a weak attempt at being meta and self-aware and having the character act like they're not from a story.

>>155814630
>>155814920
>>155814971

Anon, if you want to shit on the series it's best to do it with something that everybody won't clearly know is bullshit.

>>155815025
because she's a neet and reads this trash on a daily basis, so you contrast the expectations of an easy game with the harshness of the reality to develop the seriousness of the situation and how she copes with it, while poking fun at the trope in a meta kind of way

or, option B, you are a lazy shit and have a stat box pop up

>>155814920
Because fang, poison, spider silk, etc. are all skills = not doing anything out of own power.

>>155815477
venomous fangs, webbing, walking on walls, hell depending on what type of spider she is even jumping high would all be natural attributes of a spider

the skill would be in figuring out how to use them correctly, such as she does when learning how to spin her first neet cave without the aid of any kind of "skills" or "xp" or whatever,
that's interesting, the rpg dreck is not

>>155815034
I dont understand why people are still answering him. Let him think he's right or whatever and that its the worst series ever.

someone this deluded cannot be reasoned with. this is autism.

Not meme autism, a classical sign of autism in a child is confrontational about things such as basic tastes in genre and gets really angry if you dont agree. Not the usual discussion thing. There's the example of Ice cream:
>random child says they like chocolate ice cream
>autist child hears this, gets all confrontational about it because it is not their own favourite flavour. The autist child is unable to understand that other people like different flavours and will not relent until someone admits that the autist favourite flavour is the best and that chocolate is shit

replace ice cream flavor with manga genre and chocolate with isekai and you got this dude.

wonder if he'll be really triggered because he'll think Im comparing isekai to chocolate ice cream. god, I hope so
and im going to close the thread after this answer, and he'll still answer me, I bet

>>155815664
>trigger /a/ hard enough to get 79 (You)'s with an opinion
>somehow I'm the autistic one who can't handle disagreement

wew

> Isekai with spider MC
So anime in the next year or two?

>>155816155
with a based director it might actually overcome the dreck and become good, so I can only hope so

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>176 replies/ 30 posters

Really makes you think, I love lv mechanics

>>155816478
It's almost like when people are having a discussion they'll post more than once.

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>>155811868

>>155814241
>It's a questionable read for the first large section, yes. But when the underlying stuff starts coming to the surface it gets genuinely interesting. Before it's just "cute spider doing cute spider things".
It's funny how people can't agree on whether the first half was shit and the second half good or the first half was good and the second half shit.

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THIS WORLD IS FICTIONAL! THINGS ARE ONE WAY IN THIS WORLD, AND THEY'RE ANOTHER WAY IN THAT WORLD! THIS IS A PROBLEM AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT IN MY SUPER SERIOUS MANGA FOR ADULTS!

I'M NOT AUTISTIC! YOU'RE AUTISTIC!

>>155817844
I think the first part is interesting in it's own right, but the heavy RPG stuff is especially terrible for me personally. I only read it because I wanted to see the Drider Kumo, so you can imagine my disappointment. Still, the post-apotheosis stuff has me pretty interested, and I like that it's tying up to the sidestories about humans I didn't give a fuck about when they were intermissions to the spider story.

>>155817844
Or maybe different people are drawn to different things, and people who enjoy what the first part has to offer will like the first part, while people who enjoy what the second part has to offer will enjoy that instead?

I don't see how it's funny.

>>155817980
0/10

>>155818083
The pacing for the bridge between the spider arc and god arc is so awful it's obvious the author only planned out them separately and really didn't think hard at all about how to transition between them.

Good thing the LN is going a long way towards fixing that and is extending the Arachne arc by an entire volume.

>>155817375
Sorry, still at volume 2

>>155818109
That's the point, stupid.

>>155818169
>Good thing the LN is going a long way towards fixing that and is extending the Arachne arc by an entire volume.
Tell me more please, like I said I only read this for the arachne so you can imagine my disappointment.

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>thread is filled with arguing against an obvious shit stirrer instead of cute kumos

>>155819025
Star of David kumoko please

>>155818226
Basically the LN delayed her ascension to godhood so her journey with Ariel and baby Sophia is done in arachne form.

She's already been shown in god form in Shun's side of the story so eventually she has to ascend but apparently it's not happening anytime soon.

>>155819690
Oh? That sounds pretty interesting. I wonder how the dynamic between her and the demon king changes with it.

Wish the LN was translated, WN are usually pretty shabby.

>>155808888
/thread

For those who want to know why an rpg-like system was imposed on the new world:
Long ago, the people on the planet (humans, iirc) started harvesting energy in a way that ate at the very habitability and structure of the planet. It got so bad, the local gods did their best to destroy every structure that did the harvesting. But they were left with a world that was already half-dead, if not more so. The local goddess asked for the help of the goddess ruler of hell (who lives in modern Japan, because of the food and games). That evil goddess decided it would amuse her to solve the problem by making a game system to harvest the energy of souls.
Normally, when a living thing dies, its soul goes elsewhere to be reincarnated, such as another planet or across the cosmos, whatever. However, the evil goddess made it so that every soul on this half-dead planet would be reincarnated only on that planet. Skills are essentially cultivating the outer parts of a soul so that the energy gained through growth can be fed into the planet, revitalizing and repairing the planet. The problem is, this erodes the soul. It's gotten to the point where there are souls that might be destroyed when the body dies, a true death.
Meanwhile, the system does grant some energy to living things so that they can attain more skills and thus be harvested for a net profit. The local goddess is currently upholding the system with her life energy, but she will die if it goes on too long. Turns out, there was a survivor of the people using the destructive technology, and he still keeps using that tech.
As for the planet itself, due to the massive consumption of energy that blew up Kumo's class, the planet is down to about two and a half habitable continents.

>>155821232
I thought that the problem mainly arose because the previous hero and demon king spent a massive amount of energy to try to directly attack the goddess of hell, taking it out of the system and leaving it with a monstrous deficit that prevented repairs to the planet and eroded the souls of the inhabitants. So the system itself was causing the erosion?

As for Kumo's personality, it comes across better in the text. While she initially appears to be a cheerful otaku-ish girl, at least part of that is a facade to keep herself from falling into despair about her dangerous situation.
As she kills more and more monsters, her sense of morals and identity as a human drift. When she eventually kills some humans, she doesn't seem to feel guilty about it, just offering up the flimsy excuse of self-defense. (She can teleport at that point.)
Later, she heals the sick and injured not because she actually cares about them too much, but rather because they bring offerings of good food to her.
Later, when she is drunk, her monstrous instincts lead her to eat parts of a baby reincarnated person, using her magic to regrow limbs and such as necessary.
It turns out, power leveling warps the soul and alters the personality.

So I've been reading the WN after finishing all the currently available manga chapters, and what was the deal with the egg from the start of the manga that Kumo found and then lost? Is it something that was added for the LN?

>>155821503
Iirc, the system causes the erosion, but the massive spell and the drain it imposed on the system didn't help the situation at all.

>>155821678
>humanity
As if she had that in the first place.

>>155821678
>It turns out, power leveling warps the soul and alters the personality
This is my favorite aspect of the story, the way that skill affect the personality is so sutil and well done, the way that pride affect her is just the best, especially in the fight against dragons

>>155821748
She found an egg? The only eggs I am aware of at the one she hatched from and the clutch it belonged to, and the eggs she lays for herself.

>>155821765
Hm, I guess it makes sense, though I did read that the system was working, and it might have ultimately been able to fix the situation if not for the attack on D and, I suppose, Potimas' meddling.

There's also that facility Kumo found, which was still functional. What a mess. They also mention that, on top of Kuro's paradise Island, the system had a functionality to harbor souls that had suffered too much, to let them rest, or am I misremembering that? Shiro plans to use it to save the reincarnators, or so she says.

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>>155821748

>>155821828
In the manga she finds a strange egg early on that she can't break.

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>>155808583
>baaaw I don't like this just because of some rpg elements!
Couldn't care less.
>missing plethora of interesting and fun stories because of his autism
Your loss.

>>155821887
one of the students

>>155821999
Still, you gotta admit the rpg elements are a gigantic warning flag in this genre.

>>155822075
What
That's stuuuupid
translations when

>>155821748
>Is it something that was added for the LN?
Yes. LNs often getting changes that weren't in WNs, sometimes going in completely new and different direction.

>>155822079
Nope. It's like saying that transporting into another world/time is a gigantic warning flag in this genre. Or that school setting is a gigantic warning flag in the genre.

>>155822125
She's not new, shes the dragon that was going to attack moralfag in the exam, they just expand her role in the LN

>>155822215
RPG elements are not an intrinsic element of isekai. But it is extremely common in really bad isekai.

>>155822241
I wasn't talking only about Kumo.

>>155821862
Yup, a buffer for souls.

>>155822079
Oh, it is a huge warning flag. But not all warning flags are actually indicative about how well something is done in the material. After all, a cliche is not inherently bad.

>>155822282
>High schoolers/neets are not an intrinsic element of isekai. But they extremely common in really bad isekai.
Huh, really makes my brain tremble.

>>155822329
Right, I don't agree with the OP, but it's not an uncommon or unwarranted complaint 99% of the time. Kumo is one of those rare novels that pull it off.

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>>155819025
I'm not fond of the clunky RPG textboxes myself, but I'm willing to wait for the explanation because Kumoko's a best.

>>155822390
The issue is highschoolers and neets are plain common in a lot of genres, not only isekai. Whereas RPG systems are clustered mainly in bad isekai.

>>155822443
It's almost like isekai itself clustered mainly in bad isekai.

>>155822488
That too. So we have RPG systems overrepresented among bad isekai which make up of the majority of the (modern) genre.
With that in mind, it's not unreasonable to be pessimistic when you see another fucking status box pop up.

And I say this while 2 of my favorite isekai have rpg systems. But one of them could do without them.

>>155822106
Is there even an English TL for the LN?

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>>155821678
>It turns out, power leveling warps the soul and alters the personality.
So grinding is not a symptom, but a cause of autism. Brilliant.

>>155822626
I didn't like the manga design at first but it has so much personality. This is how I imagine the doodles on Shiro's books looked like.

>>155822567
Clichés isn't good or bad, only writers. It's like autistically screeching every time you see adventure guilds, magic, monsters, etc.

>>155822392
I found the first 200 or so chapters enjoyable while I was binging it. Then the story changed to the stuff with the other students and I just couldn't find it in myself to care about any of them. All the other characters are just so poorly developed and unlikeable that it was a pain to read. Fatigue of the series after binging a large chunk of it may also have played a factor.

I don't mind leveling/rpg mechanics as long as they aren't just a replacement for actual plot (though that is actually a big problem here). I can't really remember any actual memorable moments as most of whag I read wqs just fight, kill stuff, level up, kill stronger stuff. It just seems like a lazy way to inflate a character's power with relatively no effort.

I enjoy the series, for one it's interesting to see how the smallest stuff makes the biggest impact. Also with what i was spoiled I don't think a regular story would have worked with what the author is trying to do here, mainly trying to break the system. With small stuff added in gradually there is this alluring air about the whole thing of exploring the unknown world from through a very limited perspective. And yeah, the whole thing could have been made with "i think i evolved/adapted" instead of levels but it doesn't bother me.

That being said i enjoy re:monster and people tend to hate on it so i guess I'm not triggered by isekais. But to me a lot of isekai works add an interesting spin as well as an enjoyable sense of progression. I guess better writers could keep this sense of progress without stating what exact stats grew but usually writers skip this entirely and i feel like there is stuff to learn from isekai.

>>155822771
If most examples of the cliché are bad, it's perfectly reasonable to assume anything with the cliché is probably bad, though it doesn't mean you should take it as anything with the cliché is definitely bad.

And yes, adventurer guilds are fucking lazy goddamn plot devices and worldbuilding.

>>155822882
So, everything is bad. Ok.

>>155822831
People tend to hate on re:monster because it gets pretty rapey and hypocritical. Such as the infamous 'hurr durr I won't rape them I'll just drug them until they beg for the dick'.

>>155822934
Not really what I said nor is that my point.
Who's autistically screeching now?

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>>155822282
Oh, okay OP! I finally understand your argument and it makes perfect sense! Does this diagram accurately capture the essence of your reasoning?

>>155811868
>you will never offer your blood to sophia

>>155822882
It would be fair to say that most are bad but to say that everything that uses a particular trope is bad is just being pointlessly contrarian.>>155822934

>>155822946
Re:Monster is pretty terrible even ignoring the hypocrisy about rape. It's just something people like to nag about because the overarching problems are picked to death and not as funny to argue about.

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>>155822946

>>155822995
Which is why I specified that it shouldn't be taken to mean that anything with the cliché is bad.

>>155822974
yeah finally someone who gets what i'm trying to say.

>>155823026
Nobody give a shit, fuck off shill

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>find this at the library
>it's basically a western isekai

40-something engineer from Arizona who does kendo (what a coincidence that the author is the same) gets transported to generic slavic fantasyland. He accidentally beats up a ~ranked player~ with a stick so the local catholic church expy gives him enough XP so that he can get ranked himself and avoid being murdered. So he ends up being forced into being a paladin/sword priest, and immediately sets about making rifles and TNT so that unwashed peasants can shoot the ranked nobility off their glorious steeds.

Overall it was pretty readable for a LN style power fantasy, and with none of the usual Japanese LN protag whine outside him wanting to go home to his wife in Arizona and having to fend off women with a stick.

>>155823084
There's always "A princess of Mars", the western isekai that practically made the western comic book industry happen.

>>155823026
None of them sounds like Kumoko.

>>155823115
There's also A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court of course.

And LN titles don't have anything on the Victorians:
>The Life and Strange Surprizing Adventures of Robinson Crusoe, Of York, Mariner: Who lived Eight and Twenty Years, all alone in an un-inhabited Island on the Coast of America, near the Mouth of the Great River of Oroonoque; Having been cast on Shore by Shipwreck, wherein all the Men perished but himself. With An Account how he was at last as strangely deliver'd by Pyrates.

>>155823254
>Capitalize all nouns
Victorian English best English

>>155823254
>Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World. In Four Parts. By Lemuel Gulliver, First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of Several Ships

Oh shit and it totally counts as isekai too.

>>155822946
He is a dominant force in hostile environment full of creatures that are trying to kill him. And yet he still chooses to make a somewhat humane way to deal with that stuff or at least a way more enjoyable for himself. Also whole manga world supports "wet means consent" so i really see no problem with what he is doing.

>>155823000

It's a comfy progression and exposition ride with lewdness. It's not my favorite dramatic work but i enjoy it.

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>>155816478
sword insert is for sissies, a real man aims for mahou shoujo stick

>>155823322
>It's a comfy progression and exposition ride with lewdness.
It's a shopping list.

>>155823322
... are you serious? That's just straight up hentai logic, not something supported by the "manga world".

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>>155823318
>mfw houyhnhnm arc

>>155823391
pretty much, but i enjoy going through it

>>155823398
it's hentai logic because regular nippon stories don't go that far, but if they did the same rules would apply.

>>155823363
>嫌がる少女をムリヤリ魔法少女にPする
>Pする
Mind explaining what this entails? I don't really feel like looking it up.

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>>155823254
the harem is goats and a black dude who escaped from cannibals

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>>155823322
>actually defending Re:Monster

>>155823430
p as in producer

>>155823481
That was my first thought but it sounded too stupid even considering the first half of the title. Thanks anon.

>>155808583
This is what happens when you have a large target demographic whose only life experience happens in a video game.

>>155808583
this manga is honestly taking its damn time. I haven't read the LN but I'm gonna assume based on some the stuff I've seen around here about the spider that she eventually gets out of that fucking cave. My god. It's like it wants to drag this shit out to Berserk levels of plot development

Rather than this being another game parody manga, I'm so sick of all Isekai being RPG related. Giving characters "skill points" or making their special skills and abilities come from a "job".

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Re Zero and Youjo Senki are the only Isekai anime that's been done right since SAO started this video game world nonsense.

>>155823322
kill yourself

>>155823596
ladies first

>>155816478
Are you implying everyone has to post once?
Sorry, not everyone shitpost and leaves like you.

>>155823585
I think the problem comes when stories use rpg mechanics instead of an actual plot. In stories where these levels are secondary to the actual story (like konosuba, overlord), it's fine. In stories where you basically have the protagonist powering up to ridiculous degrees due to the level system, and the story can be summed up as kill, level up, gain new power, repeat, then it's just shit.

>>155823671
No just having rpg mechanics is bad. The very act of including rpj mechanics is a large enough negative to ruin a series. I can't think of a single series that has rpg mechanics and is good.

>>155823585
I don't mind the RPG elements much.

The only problem is when the MC is the ONLY character who understand and utilize the RPG elements to their limits. All I need is an even playing field and I could ignore the whole "vidya game reasoning".

>>155823892
But then there's the advantage the MC and others like him is given to set them apart from everyone else.

>>155823829
Log Horizon?

>>155823829
>I can't think of a single series that has rpg mechanics and is good.
Log Horizon, where the RPG system is actually part of the world building, that the law of its world actually interacts like an RPG.

The problem with RPG mechanics in every other series is that they are just used to disregard building the world and characters

>>155823973
A bit of advantage is fine. As long as they are operating on the same system. Or at least make it looks like the others can abuse the system as much as MC do.

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>>155823829
That's because you just have shit taste

>>155823829
Konosuba? DanMachi? Grimgar?

>>155824161
>>155824101
>>155824017
>Konosuba
>Log Horizon
If this is the best you can come up with you're just confirming my point. Overrated trash. I don't know why garbage like this gets so popular.

>>155824123
Yeah, overlord is good, and Kumo is pretty good too. Though I don't think Overlord needs the RPG mechanics to be honest.

>>155824410

>>155810666

>>155824410
No, you just don't like them because they were popular. It's your way of trying to stand out and claim individuality.

>>155824410
>everything is bad

>>155822974

not enough post-hoc

>>155824108
Or perhaps have a few tricks or techniques not normally available to the MC that can really fuck him over.

>>155824101
>>155824410
Dungeon Defense

>>155824740
That hardly count as RPG, bro

>>155824796
>literally a video game
>all of the main characters have stat blocks
>zettai sentakushi
>also a ton of other RPG abilities (even though the MC can't use them, we know they exist)

But the author does seem to have just forgot about most of that in vol. 3/4...

>>155810547
it's called meth.

>>155824617
>post-hoc
is this a new meme?

>>155811280
>there's nothing wrong with post-hoc if it's used to flesh out something good
assuming you're OP, that is the exact fucking opposite of what you've been trying to establish throughout this thread. Every second post you use post-hoc as the defacto reason that the setting is bad.
assuming you're not op, fuck off you're making this shit hard to jump into

>>155824918
No it's the OP

>>155809093
>>155810010
>>155811029
>>155812605

>>155825014
Not everyone who is directing any kind of criticism towards the series is the OP, you paranoid dip.

>>155825042
>assuming you're not op

>>155825042
I only said that because my argument hinged on it being OP

>>155808583
You want to know why it's actually shit in the beginning? Because SAO proved that quality doesn't fucking sell. The fantasy does.
Authors need to hook people in the beginning somehow and Kumo does this by emulating garbage isekai before getting into the nitty gritty bits of the plot, which is actually good.
The manga is a piss poor adaptation because it ignores the other characters

>>155813268
Don't worry it all works out

It's hinted that one of the reasons why MC was able to ascend to godhood is that she received a small fragment of the Deity's soul when receiving her memories. Because of this, her soul is able to handle the massive amount of energy required to become a god. The demon king's soul was on the verge of breaking because of all of the energy she amassed over her long life, and the container of her soul wasn't large enough to handle it until a bit of MC's soul merged with hers.

>>155821503
The biggest cause of the problem is a certain elf who was constantly siphoning energy for his own purposes.

Why had I not read this until now?

Thanks anon!

>>155808583
Read Boko Haram instead.

>>155823892
The best point in early Kumo is when she's ever so slightly winning against the earth dragon but then she sees his skill points dropping and he starts kicking her ass with a bunch of skills he picked specifically to counter her.

Nice to see other characters actually use the system to their advantage for once.

>>155826148
He isn't even an elf, just a human with a PhD in biology.

>>155826670
Is there any isekai where leveling up also heals you fully and you need to manually perform the level up process, so you can tactically bank a level up to use in the middle of a difficult fight? I used to do that in KOTOR.

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Sequel when?

>>155827173
Fuck off

>>155814339
Not that guy, but from what I've heard, she goes Dryder-mode in volume 6, but doesn't ascend then. She starts traveling with the vamps and maou for a few volumes before becoming a god.

>>155826882
Skyrim. But I don't think Kumoko can choose when to level up, as she once fell from a roof due to shedding.

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>>155828057
>that one time Wrath got shot through the head but came back to life due to a delayed levelup

>>155828247
Sorry, not that far yet. That was volume 2 where Kumoko almost fell into lava.

>>155808583
It's supposed to be meta-humor but it's shit i agree.

Only waiting for her to become a Dryder or something like that.

>>155828312
Fucking Body-in-Charge, useless little shit.

>>155823363
So what's it called in English? Is it even being translated?

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>>155822688
As a mangaonlyfag, the source material art that I see around here looks kind of jarring in comparison to the tone that I'm used to.

>>155811868
In my head i always imagined the demon lord to be the one with huge tits and the vampire to be a loli for some reason. I still do

I really hope the rehash from another perspective part is over now and we can get to actual plot, easily the biggest fault of Kumo, other than only using Arachne form for a second in the WN

>>155822946
I hate it because the mc is terrible, it has no sense of pacing things and the manga is written in a terrible over-narrated WORDS WORDS WORDS way

>>155808583

Some anon here said that actual fantasy is looked down upon in Japan as too nerdy but RPG fantasy is not.

If that's true then Japs are more shit than I thought.

>>155829914
It's because normies are exposed to RPG fantasy in some way through social games but pure fantasy remains the domain of disgusting otaku.

>>155825186
>shit is popular

>>155825014
it's not the exact opposite at all you're just a retard who can't read
>it's bad
>yeah but there's a good reason it's bad on page 700
>I don't care about post-hoc reasons why it's bad

>see this
>think post-hoc is the argument
>be a retard

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>>155822823
this guy gets it

>>155829914
newsflash: nips have shit taste in anime, LN's and manga

you don't have to emulate them, it's not going to make you a real highschool girl

>>155827173
It probably wouldn't be translated. No one is even finishing off the after content at any kind of sane rate. Also, isn't the author working on something completely unrelated.

>>155822823
Yes.
Most of the characters are unlikable and flat.
This is why Kumo is shit, not it's RPG crap. The RPG shit is just spackle over the real problems.

>>155831136
>Dumpire
>Shirou
>Potimas
>Ariel
>Pope
>Cuck dragon
>flat

>>155831232
They may not be paper, but they're pretty close to cardboard.

>>155829914
Nah, that's unlikely considering how prominent tabletop games are. A number of fantasy series are actually novelized RPG replays and a lot of fantasy writers (Nasu, Narita, Gen, Kawakami etc.) are big RPG-fags that made their own homebrew games and settings and drew inspiration for their works from that. Gen in particular stated that being a Call of Cthulhu DM is what made him as obsessed with misery porn and existential horror as he is.