is this genre getting stale?

>>155744278
>getting

It's the equivalent of YA literature here in the west - shit that keeps selling. LN market is really responsible for that, anime and manga are just a reflection.

It got popular, so it'll be around for a while.

I love fantasy but I'm getting tired of isekai as well, thankfully there's a few fantasy shows without it airing.

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>>155744278
My problem with Isekai is it basically doesn't contribute anything to the story. MC is just transported from our world because it's a fad at the moment.

How about reverse isekai where someone from the magical world gets transported to the normal world

>>155744422
there is actually,

>>155744422

Speaking of this did the one with a female knight get picked up by scanlation groups?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dsetsuka_ni_Nar%C5%8D

Literally the reason for this.

Imagine if fanfiction.net started churning out anime.

>>155744278
not as stale as people making threads asking for opinions that dont mean a fucking thing.

>>155744290
bigger problem is that most LNs are garbage step above your average fan fiction

I wish christmas cakes were as big as isekai.

Why did this term become so popular with Re:Zero?

Isekai has been around for a long time. Back further than even Magical Knights Rayearth. It ain't going anywhere

>>155744465
Those are impressive figures. Are we talking novel NOVEL here or Japanese light novel?

>>155744470
>responding to leafs

just ignore it anon

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>>155744278
Don't be delusional. AOTS last season was Isekai and this season will be too.

>>155744497
Re:Zero kickstarted the Isekai boom.

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I pronounce it "ice kai" just to poss people off, and god damn, it works.

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>>155744531
LN style. You can check the site for yourself and google translate for reference. Why do you think they get so many volumes?

>>155744589
>interacting with worthless husks of human beings

You sure showed them

>>155744578
You mean SAO did
Re:Zero is nothing compared to that
And SAO is better

It's a concept, not a genre.

>>155744422
Like Re:Creators?

>>155744683
You mean El-Hazard did
SAO is nothing compared to that
And El-Hazard is better

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>>155744422

I recommend Magical Sisters: Yoyo and Nene.
Saw it at the cinema, it was pretty comfy.

Anyway, pic related remains the best isekai.

>>155744683
You didn't have to force yourself to say SAO is good just to spite Re:Zerofags.

>>155744578
I don't think it did though. It just became a huge thing on /a/ and now everybody talks about isekai.

>>155744422
I agree bring magical girlfriends back, it's been long enough.

>>155744751
I never said it's good, I said it's better

>>155744278
It's about as stale as fiction itself.

>>155744683
While the last line is clearly bait, its true that re:zero has nothing to do with all the recent isekai spam, those are all adaptions of work that have been going on as long as re:zero.

On the other hand, after the SAO LN success definitely lead to the genre growing to an unfathomable size.

It was a lot of fun for about a year, maybe two. I wonder what comes after this.

>>155744278
It culminated with Re:Zero, Youjo Senki was the last good one.
wtf i hate isekuck now

>>155744378
I guess Re:Creators is an exception in this regard?

>>155745592
Is Creators good? I didn't add it when it came out but I've heard from a few people it's actually solid and have been thinking about throwing it in with my lot this season, but I'm already pretty full.

>>155744278
It's already stale.

99% of every 'isekai' is just set in another generic high fantasy setting.

>>155745666
And what makes his opinion different from those few people you heard from? Watch and form your own opinions faggot.

>>155745209
>While the last line is clearly bait
see >>155744885

>>155746026
I value the opinions of people who I'd assume would regularly browse a board dedicated to anime over those I know do not.
Also majority-bias strengthens with every vocal advocate, one more to the mix doesn't hurt.

The moment when even Rezero didnt manage to deconstruct it was the moment it was fucked.

>>155746077
You are the reason why there are so many vocal shitposters

>>155746155
No I'm pretty sure that's because of Evangelion.

>>155744422
I can count at very least 2 that got anime adaptation.

>>155744278
not for another 10 years.

>>155745346
>>>/mlp/

>>155744378
There's some knowledge cheat LN but none animated.

>>155744278
> Genre
You fucking idiots don't even get it through your skulls. It's not a genre. It's just a fucking setting you dipshits.

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why are there so few isekai in non-fantasy settings?

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>>155746032

>>155744749
She reminds me of what Fry would be like if he were an anime girl.

>>155746077
>>155746184
Go fuck yourself. Watch it or don't watch it, bitch.

>>155744278
>isekai story with modern weapon and tactics
>isekai story with modern laws
>isekai story with potato
>isekai story with popular J-culture
>isekai story with modern medicine
>isekai story with Japanese cuisine
>isekai story with japanese toilet and associated toiletries
>isekai story with modern convenience money can buy (literally)

What did I miss?

Also, any other potential isekai story in yo mind? I for one would like to see an isekai story about about abducted princess in a dungeon guarded by evil warlock and dragons, but instead of yo typical charming prince, the guy is a disgrunted, disillusioned former Navy SEAL who were transported to medieval fantasy period to save the princess.

Sounds straightforward enough? No. The King is well aware about our protagonist's origin and there's actually a representative of US gubmint (via CIA) in the King's court, so our MC has access to any weaponry that he can afford, even a squad black ops guy in black helicopters to save the princess

Depends on what exactly you mean with "isekai".

If you mean the 30+ unemployed virgin self-insert goes to a parallel world and becomes successful-type, then I wonder when you ever perceived it as not stale.

>>155744334
Isekai is timeless though. how many times has Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz been revisited?

>>155746533
While I like the idea of the protag being extremly competent, what you just posted reeks of power fantasy unfirtunatly

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>>155746533

>>155746533
I'd like a reverse.
Chivalrous Knight comes from a generic medieval setting and tries to make our world reflect his idealistic, traditionalist one.
Though, if it has to be to another world, a negotiator from ours going to another world with more of an emphasis on political maneuvering.

>>155744749
Ufotable can be very creative at times, jesus why cant they do it now?

>>155746632
What.

>>155746533
a farmer from the middle ages isekai into a post apocalyptic world and he has to figure out what happened and how to survive

>>155746937
He won't last a chapter like all the farmers in the middle ages and current times when there's a famine

>>155744278
SAO III will save the genre, the same way it kickstarted it, dw

>>155744278
It isn't stale yet if they don't do my idea.
MC is from a normal world that is being plague by mysterious disappearances. One day, while MC was coming back from the toilet and entering the classroom, a big magic circle flash and disappears in front of him taking all of his classmates with it. Him being perplexed called the teacher who informed the principal and thus called the police and close the school down. MC was taken as a witness of the incident.
Actually, the recent mysterious incidents was caused by other realities summoning people to fight for them. The collective world government have known this for quite a while and is withholding this information from the rest of the world.
MC will join a group of people like him, which are people that manage to avoid getting summoned to another world. They were chosen because the hypothesis is that people that were picked have some innate talent that can help to save the people that were "kidnapped". Join MC as he saves people from the horrible life of being forced to fight for the safety of another world.

I call it Re:Isekai.

I don't mind Isekai but I legit want to know how much this shit can sell until it gets boring for the next generation. I really want to know what tropes haven't been explored yet properly in anime/manga?

>>155746632
Why haven't anyone translated this? Bet /ak/ would like doing things like this.

What about an isekai where a group of people get transported and the world fullfils everyones wish fullfilment fantasy, but the MC doesn't buy any of this shit and just eants to go home and he will drag everyone with him if needed to even if they were miserable in the previous world.

>>155747003
ok how about this
a tits guy isekai into a world where women only have big butts

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THIS is the pinnacle of isekai.
Why are there no stories more like this?

Former friends turning on you not because they're assholes but because they have different interests made me hate the characters but still respect their motives.

>>155744278
No. The execution of it is. The genre just has terrible authors but isekai can be interesting. If the author can breathe life into a world that they made then it'll be good but if it's just "generic fantasy world with elves and dwarfs #12345346456" then it's almost always doomed to fail. This extends to VRMMO's.
You're literally making a unique world with no limits and the best these people come up with is shit we've already seen. What's worse is that the MC's are always the most generic shit and have the same reactions to shit. Also cop-outs of getting a power that's broken or the ability to understand all languages. It's dumb.

>>155747202
Why don't they learn from any shonen series? Those literally make new and different worlds everytime. Don't they have the imagination like those shonen authors?

>>155747196
I loved FFTA, even is fans would argue FFT was more highbrow.

Though I will defend to my dying day that staying in Ivalice would be infinitely superior to returning to the real world even if you argue its escapism, because fuck this gay earth.

>>155747385
Then you learned absolutely nothing from based Marche, shame on you.

>>155747385
What's the problem with escapism anyway? Before I used anime and manga as a form of escapism, my life was much more depressing. Escapism is better than nothing.

>>155747492
Escapism once in a while is fun and okay, it's just that when you run away permanently from life's problems that it turns dangerous.

>>155747253
I think it's just an issue with gimmicky authors. A lot of what is churned out has 1-2 unique things in them and that's it. Everything else is shit. I'm an amateur/aspiring novelist and I can shit out a more organic story than half of these retards. I drop most of the LN's I read now because it's the same shit different color.

Also I believe they just fucking massively suck at world-building. They create the world on the most superficial level and focus the story around the cast of characters. If the characters don't interact with a nation then that nation will not be fleshed out and just be mentioned by name. This is bad because, at least personally, a lot of the neat interactions comes from fleshing out your world and seeing how things would naturally play out. Not "Well the MC needs to go to a close nation that is friendly to beastmen. Okay I'll make that. Now he needs to meet a wealthy nobel that'll accept him as an adventurer. Okay I'll make that"

This creates a very linear and predictable story. If instead they would make the nations before the story or at least not cater to the story then the outcomes would end up being more fluid and organic. Your story just increases in quality when you put your character into a world and the other way around.

>>155744422
Devil Is A Part Timer

>>155747560
>life's problems
There is no such a thing, anon.

>>155747583
Most authors focus on the character relationships instead of world building or developing the surrounding environment. I can see if the area is a small rural country that doesn't have shit in it, but quite a few LN's take place in expansive places and it's always a waste when the author hypes it up just to ignore it for the most part.

>>155747767
Everyone has problems in life. What do you mean?

I think harem stories are the worst offenders, it's legit the same shit unaware MC who can't wrap his head around the thought of fucking the females around him. Same can be said about the waifus too, same shit different coating of pussy.

>>155744278
it always was

most of them were made by the Japanese version of B^U so they are never all that good on the whole "quality" thing

>>155747844
>Everyone
Who's everyone? And what's everyone's problem?

>>155744683
but SAO isn't an isekai

>>155747560
>life's problems
You mean the starving children in africa and the pandas that haven't fucked?

>>155746433
my question is why isn't there any Isekai where the MC is transported to a space opera world?

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>>155746632
>Другий-мир Путин

>>155747899
>Relationships
>Career/Job/Studies
>Health
I can guarantee you you've had or have problems from the three things listed.

>>155747954
See>>155748010

>>155747817
That would be fine if they were actually skilled in making interesting relationships between their characters. Also I would argue focusing on the relationships of the characters as the main prioty only works well in either a certain style or other genres such as rom-coms. Not world building in isekais defeats the purpose of having it an isekai to begin with unless the author just wants to either roll with the fotm shit or have a "OMG I'M IN A WORLD THAT'S NOT EARTH!!!!!" then have everything be a reskinned earth just with magic.

All I'm saying is that authors use these things as crutches and don't develop the skills to make an interesting story. Sure it may make a lot of money but it's only appealing to the lowest common denominator. It's really not that hard to world build if you practice and put in effort.

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it just makes it 100x times easier to self insert into some loser hiki neet teenage jap boy than a character that was born in the alternate world.

>>155748010
So who's everyone again?

>>155748010
Where do you think you are?

>>155746632
Russians love their isekais
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A//www.livelib.ru/selection/32039-top-rossijskih-knig-o-popadantsah

>reincarnated in inverse-earth
>everything he created based on earth's common sense becomes powerful weapons
>he is called the demon lord secretly by the world leaders
>all world leaders are afraid of him
>meanwhile he isn't aware of it and wonder why the fuck everyone calls him genius
And it's not harem, and it's fucking romcom.
Kind of nice it gets translated since most of translated isekai is muh adventure and harem.

>>155748055
I can never self insert into Kazuma's and his fake hikkineet bullshit. Never watch Re zero though.

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>>155748115
what makes kazuma fake? he was a loser irl but now that hes in australia hes gotten alot more obvious in his scummy ways. aqua wont even let him die untill he beats DK , but he still just wants to live dat sweet neet life with all the money he earned.

whats wrong with rem:zero? besides subaru being a lil bitch I mean.

>>155747178
Just play Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>155748115
I hate re;zero. I do not like the dynamic he has with other characters and he himself has very few redeeming qualities.

>>155748270
His massive obsession with female lead is probably the main reason. Also the way he interacts with other characters. This is a problem when you make your character a loser neet and have him fall for a girl at first glance. It creates 0 respect for the MC.

RE:monster is doing well for itself.Already has a mobage which of all things was translated to English.

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>>155748270
>that pic

Isekai is just lazy writing. It's much easier to come up a "blank" character that doesn't know anything about the world he's in, then have him learn about the world with the viewer. Also there's the pandering to self-insert cucks.

Sure you could do more with isekai, but the reason most LN authors pick isekai is because it's easier. No wonder most of these stories have superficial game-like worlds, the authors are just lazy.

>>155748330
I lost all interest with RE:monster when the translations came to a stop all those years ago. Plus it was getting a bit stale with all the

>Nearly die
>eat monster
>level up and evolve
>fuck
>nearly die
>eat monster
>fuck

Interesting concept with meh execution.

>>155747903
It's a pseudo Isekai of sorts

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>>155748405
/tg/ ran a quest in the same world that was about being a spiderwoman. It's pretty good.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=REQM

>>155748330
>none of the girls are moe, how do we make a gacha mobage out of this
>just give it a western mobage style skin and make it a tower defense game

I didn't think I could be more disappointed with this series but here I am

>>155744278
If they keep calling back to previous titles like SAO, yes. Like with Boruto, it gets stale real quick when it's evident you're pandering to an audience's nostalgia more than relying on your story, and that smacks of laziness.

>>155744278
Isekai is like Israel.

>>155744278
What I find funny is that people who only watch anime are getting very little isekai compared to people who read manga and LN, and a shit tonne less than the people who read WN. So it's really our fault for finding it stale since we're the ones digging our head into it. It's like any popular genre where if you look beyond the curtain, then you're in for a world of B-grade shit.

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Is Dunbine the first anime Isekai?

Anyone else got their copy of shieldbro vol 7? Mine came a few weeks early. What are your thoughts about where the story is going?

People overestimate how wuch Isekai shows me get every season. Like there's at most two or three of them, its just that the fanbases are really vocal because they get popular really fast because it seems like the west loves the concept as much as their jap counterparts.

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>>155750442
Here's the cover for the english version.

>RPG mechanics

>>155747035
>sao kickstarted isekai
i really hope people don't think this

>>155750460
>People overestimate how wuch Isekai shows me get every season. Like there's at most two or three of them,
That's an overestimation too
it's 0-3 for the whole year

>>155750596
to add, whole year of 200 shows

>>155749631
Racist genocidal special snowflake state?

I just want an Isekai that doesn't have 'muh video gaems', where the MC doesn't start off broken, or gets broken from being taught the basics.
I want a story where the MC starts off normal and WORKS for his power and fame.
Hotblooded strength, logical and technological thinking. ANYTHING. Just have the MC work hard.

>>155751129
>muh hard work

That's the most unrealistic thing of all though

>>155744278
at least it's more interesting than the gorillion school romance ecchi harem anime we get every year

>>155751129
You know, actually thinking about it.
For a genre that seems to LOVE RPGs, they SERIOUSLY miss the point of RPGs.
The entire point and draw of a good RPG is going from little to nothing, to Amazing God/Devil Slaying superhuman.

>>155751228
Yeah go walk up to any Sport champion and tell them that.

>>155744578
>>155744683
>>155750575
No, Mushoku Tensei did.

>>155748838
It set a foundation for the isekai boom with the tropes it used, but it didn't actually kickstart said boom. Isekai was still very much a dormant thing prior to Mushoku Tensei.

>>155751818
Third one meant for >>155747035

I find it hilariously ironic that the first narou-generation isekai that is adapted to anime is konosuba, the parody of the entire goddamn thing.

>>155744278
What are some examples of reverse-isekai?
I know Devil's a Part-timer fits the bill almost exactly and Gargantia could be argued.
What else?

>>155744278
>>155744378
If they removed the beginning and the out of place exposition then it's not Isekai anymore.

>>155751579
good joke

anyone who ever liked is a chumpmaster with zero future

>>155744290
this

>>155752266
Mayweather isn't the only champion anon.

>>155744278
No such thing as a bad or stale genre. There is only bad execution. Time Travel, for example, has been a staple in fiction for centuries. Any genre can be good if done competently.

>>155744422
Are aliens ending up living on earth reverse isekai?

>>155752330
I was referring to their goals being intrinsically worthless but whatever

>>155752633
That sounds more sci-fi than anything else. But technically yes, it is.

>>155744531
>novel NOVEL here or Japanese light novel
I hate this meme

>>155744566
Calling Kemono Friends Isekai is really stretching it though.

>>155752010
Re:Creators, some episodes of GATE and sort of one episode of Outbreak Company.

I don't think there is any with the character actually reborn as a human in japan. I don't think there would be any point of it (just like in other world, as he might as well not be from that world unless he can apply his other world knowledge directly)

>>155752792
And my point is that they're loaded to shit and successful, usually because they work their asses off.
There is success that can be gained from working hard.

I dislike isekai because it is the new battle harem. It is made to teenager-minded people to self-insert into something else to take them away from their boring lives. That is why nothing really bad ever happens that the MC can't just go and fix it with his OP godlike powers.

>>155744578
Don't fall for this bait.

>>155755857
Well, while I never remotely found a battle harem watchable, I do think isekai is a more bearable trope for me. Actually I don't think the MC being transported makes as huge as a difference after all, provided the world itself isn't boring.

>>155744278
Given that most genre's don't affect the details of their plot descriptions as heavily as isekai, it's no wonder it grew stale fast.
>Action
There are fights
>Slice of life
Comforting mundanity
>Comedy
It's about the jokes
>Fantasy
Sword and sorcery are in there somewhere
>Isekai
Some guy gets transported to another world

It's still broad but you can see how it's a bit of an outlier here.

>>155756381
But you can have isekai from multiple genres as well, fantasy (re:zero), comedy (konosuba), sci-fi (muv-luv)...

Certainly strictly fantasy isekai is less broad then just fantasy since there are two tags now.

>>155744278
Isekai is not a genre. It's a setting.

>>155747962
What about an isekai where a fantasy character ends up in a sci-fi world or a post-apocalyptic modern world.

>>155747385
I don't understand the escapism argument. Even in its vaguest form, art is escapism. If you run into a very real alternate world, filled with very real people, does that still classify as escapism?

I just see it as emigrating to a much better country. You're still ditching your family, but you get your magic cure for your disabled-ness.

Also fuck Marche and his pizza cutter. I still love that game, though.

>>155744694
True, of course, but as far as the current trend goes, all of them are ridiculously similar:
JRPG inspired cut-and-paste fantasy worlds.

>>155746421
At this point we can assume that on /a/ and the internet in general they mean the sdame.

>>155747903
It becomes isekai later on in the LN

>>155747962
Futurama would count, but it's not anime.

>>155746533
>disillusioned former Navy SEAL
And into the trash.
Replacing one stale plot stereotype with another is not a solution.

>>155746533
>>isekai story with modern weapon and tactics
What is GATE
>>isekai story with Japanese cuisine
There is a LN where the MC opens up a restraunt using his knowledge of modern food and nip cuisine
>>isekai story with modern convenience money can buy (literally)
There is a LN where the MC is a immobile vending machine that gets carried around by cute girl with a strength cheat and it eventually turns into this.

>>155751129
Why does anyone even need fucking videa game inspired mechanics?
They're literally just abstactations of things that are supposed to happen in-universe.
Also, I'm sick of "adventurer" being a fucking thing and a job in settings that try to take themself seriously. "Jesus, the enemies are attacking, or we have other serious problems, let's pay some stupid hobos to help us" said no one ever.

>>155759623
Adventurer is just a retarded term for mercenary.

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>>155750596
Give it some time, most isekai novels have only started a year ago they don't have enough volumes to warrant anime yet, the true isekai anime boom will happen in a year or 2.

>>155744278
It's been stale

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Thanks america

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>>155751129
Nirvana will probably get an anime in like a year from now. The MC is a dorky middle school girl who used to be kind of famous.