Finally getting around to watch NGE. Why is he so unlikable,

I love Shinji

Because he reminds you of yourself and you hate yourself.

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>>155625300
this
people who love themselves will feel nothing but empathy towards the characters

>>155625240
because he's an unlovable person

>>155625300
This. The only people who hate Shinji are people who see themselves reflected on him, so mostly teenagers.

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>>155625240
Shinji is best girl and you have shit taste.

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>>155625614
Learnt o read please

>No i'm NOT saying he didn't have a reason for being such a timid dweeb.

I understand why he's this way. It's not that subtle.
That Doesn't change the fact that he is freaking annoying and irritating to watch.
I can empathize with a person who born with Down, but fuck if I want to be near him all the time.

>>155625882
What's annoying about him?

>>155625300
I can sort of empathize with him but that doesn't mean I have to like him.

>>155625882
So you're supposed to understand Asuka then
You feel disgusted with his typical "shy teenage boy" femininity and shut-in lifestyle? Well the series actually criticizes him as much as you do

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How can you hate this guy? Look at the confidence he exudes. This is a man who fights angels, and loves doing it.

>>155626004
I want to pound his boipussy and make him moan my name

>>155625240
He's you

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>>155626224
Stop posting, Kaworu

>>155626273
Make me, pussy

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>>155626300
Tell me your address, I'll come and kill you

>>155625980
Yes? You can also empathize with someone who is very unlike you, it's just harder. What I'm saying is that you project your self-hatred on Shinji because he his like you, it has little to do with empathy.
Or maybe you don't, but it's my favorite theory on why so many people hate Shinji, beside the obvious "He's a whiny pussy faggot, not a real man like me".

>>155626363
Tokyo-3, Central Dogma.
It's on, nigga.

I'm the alpha standing in front of the giant red robot.

He's unlikable because people always try to force someone to self insert or relate to him. I understand why he's whiny, mom literally died in front of his face, his dad doesn't care about him, and he was basically forced to pilot an Eva to defend mankind.

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>>155626438
Ez pz prepare Uranus, my man
Just don't whine when I squish your white bitchass with my huge hand

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>>155626547
And then you'll cry like a little bitch about it for the next two episodes.

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>>155626273
nice proverb

>>155626370
I don't really relate to him anyways. I can both see and can't see why people hate him so much.

>>155625614
Does this mean I'm a bitchy german redhead on the inside

>>155625240
well I mean first off, likeable is a pretty subjective thing to say about a character, which is why people don't talk about it and instead talk about three-dimensionality and depth and etc. Plenty of people like Shinji.

>>155625240
I don't understand how someone can not like Shinji.
I just want to protect him.

>>155625240
He and MC similar to him is the reason of egg and oniisama being popular now.

>>155625240
I just felt bad for him. He's just an autistic kid who got dragged into a bunch of selfish peoples scheme to fuck over all of humanity.

>>155625240
Episode 3 and 4 are terrible, I'm just putting that out there. They're the Shinji pity party episodes. When Shinji isn't around, everyone just talks about Shinji and how hard life is for him. There's no subtlety to it, it's just a sad circlejerk.

The end of episode 4 is the turning point where Shinji starts improving and you start to become invested in his character growth. Episode 5 has the first real example of "show, don't tell" near the beginning when Shinji is consciously trying to be more open and characters aren't just going "Shinji is suffering so much, poor Shinji, has he made any friends? This must be hard for him."

You'll find that as Shinji grows as a character, you'll root for him and maybe even start to self-insert as him by idealizing his improvement as your own. And then when everything starts to go downhill and his progress is slowly undone by tons of mental anguish, you'll feel for him.

You'll love Shinji's more positive moments, like when he's sassy or disapproving of others, or shows his true opinions. You'll understand he has character flaws but at the same time you'll love him because you can love yourself.

>>155625240
I like him

Holy shit you people cannot do character analysis

>>155627057
Life's not fair, get in the fucking robot.

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Just a reminder that Shinji is canonically heterosexual. He only ever had sexual fantasies about women.

>>155627058
Someone could argue that his negatives outweigh his positives as they show up way more often.

>>155625240
He was unlikable for the same reason anakin was unlikable. His emo whining was unbearable.

>>155627596
Fuck off Kaworufag

>>155627596
Fuck off delusional fujo

>>155627125
>life is not fair
>but you have to make it work for me
These kinds of people are the worst. If life ain't fair, you don't get what you want either.

>>155625240

>why is he so unlikable?

If being likable was a prerequisite for watching a show, half of anime up until now would never have happened.

Just try to remain open minded.

>>155627733
>>155627770
Fujos lost it

>>155628121
Good on you for admitting you lost it.
Now back to your Yuri on Ice containment thread.

>>155627710
That's what makes his positives stand out to me. It's like having a villain with no redeeming traits vs a villain with several redeeming traits. The latter is just more interesting as a character because you love seeing that they have more going on inside. While Shinji may be quiet and fairly introverted for most of the series, the frequency at which he shows his more outgoing traits is paced just perfectly, enough for you to feel invested in his character growth. You don't want Shinji sitting alone in his room listening to his music, you want him standing up for himself and being happy and laughing. And from episode 5-15, you do get a sense that he's becoming more outgoing.

Rebuild 1.0
Episode 1-2: Introduction and establishment
Episode 3-4: Sad Shinji circlejerk
Episode 5-6: Rehabilitation begins and a bond with Rei is formed

Episode 7: That one episode that kinda stands out

Rebuild 2.0
Episode 8-11: Asuka introduction and the brighter episodes
Episode 12-15: Darker shift in tone, but still character growth
Episode 16-19: Systematically destroying character growth through trauma

Rebuild 3.0
Episode 20-24: Breaking the characters down to their lowest points

Episode 25-26: Character study

>>155625992
EoE fits well with this. Asuka pretty much toook center stage while Shinji countinued to be shit, a final act of self-loathing by Anno perhaps

>>155626715
just bitchy, everything else depends on the family you where born in

>>155628266
I'd say if anyone took center stage it was Misato

>>155625240
if you're not a self-inserting faggot you probably won't like him

I wonder how much different the reception of Shinji would've been if they had 1 or 2 episodes of him not being whiny to build him up before having him whine. Some people would still inevitably be annoyed but it's possible some of the people who really dislike him now might've liked him more if they got invested in him before he started acting in a way they disliked

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>>155628600
If they had made Shinji a girl no one would even have any beef with him.

>>155628600
Would ruin the point for me. Who cares how people "receive" him as a character? If he is more likeable that would have no impact on the story and if anything might detract from it. Sure they could have done that, but what would be the point?

>>155628230
>>155628121
>>155627770
>>155627733
Fuck off falseflagging Kaworufag

>>155628238
I imagine way more people like the brighter moments of his character than his darker more "emo" side as people put it. So I imagine 16 onward (based on the way you broke it down) turned people off from him.

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>>155629169
Stop replying to yourself fujo. You're shitting up the thread.

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>>155628651
But there was a female Shinji 5 years before Eva was even made.

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>>155629229
Nadia is nothing like Shinji besides appearance, stop with this meme.
You're better off comparing him to Noriko.

>>155625520
I can't help but pity them, you know? They're all fucking mentally ill.

I never understood the hate for Asuka, she's like Shinji but with different problems.

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>>155625240
How old are you? The more mature you are the harder it is to like and sympathize with Shinji. When i was a teenager i used to see myself on Shinji but the older i get the angrier i get at him, and the people around him whenever i watch NGE.
Half of the emotional dillemas he faced, he created himself.

Pic related got his shit together and grew up in order to win the war and survive. Shinji needed a Bright in his life.

>>155629289
Asuka is a fucking cunt, she's nothing like Shinji

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>>155628651
I like Shinji the way he is. Besides, i don't want Toji to stick his filthy dick in my Shinji.

>>155628651
this is fucking stupid

>>155629431
She had a fucked up childhood and lost her mom, like Shinji.

They act differently but they're problems do come from something similar. It's probably part of the reason she hates him.

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>>155629444
Toji would have stuck his dick in boy Shinji, too. You saw the way he was looking at him in that plugsuit.

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>>155629283
I think people compare them because of stuff like pic related
>>155629431
Asuka is a foil for Shinji.

>>155629519
Fuck off Fujo

>>155629501
So? Misato and Shinji both went through similar things to her as well and they never acted like cunts to her.

>>155629557
Everyone is a foil to Shinji.

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>>155629557
Personality-wise Nadia resembles Asuka if anything. In that scene too.

Shinji is most like Noriko.

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>>155629519
Toji strikes me as the kind of guy that cums on his underwear and never changes it.

>>155629583
I think they just express it in different ways.
Shinji, hating himself, pushing others away, and in general being weak.
Asuka on the other hand acts like a cunt and needs to be superior in her mind. Kind of explains why she can't stand the idea of someone one upping her.

>>155629707
I do that.

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why is anime cring?

>>155629751
So how could you claim they're similar when they act like complete polar opposites?
The only thing similar is the source of their problems, which newsflash, is the same for every single character.
Misato, Gendo, Rei, etc.

>>155629780
Grab your dick and then smell your hand. What does it smell like?

I had a friend who's hand smelled like rotten meat everytime he grabbed his cock. You could smell that dirty cock from miles.

Please change your undies and clean your penis.

>>155629283
Noriko is similar to Shinji very early on where neither has the self-confidence to fight when they become aware of the potential consequences. But the end of episode 4 of Gunbuster has Noriko overcome this and she basically becomes a super robot protagonist ala episode 11+ Simon from TTGL. Evangelion doesn't have a lot of super robot moments (unless you count that double Inazuma Kick in the dance episode) where hotbloodedness propels the protagonists forward. Even during the Zeruel fight, Unit-01 just goes dead once its power runs out despite the fact that Shinji was handling the fight very well on his own and could have probably won. But Noriko's problems arise from her self-confidence while Shinji's are more deep-rooted in lifelong mental trauma. Shinji is more likely to have clinical depression than Noriko.

>>155629209
While it does hurt watching Shinji regress due to factors outside of his control, there is some fun in watching everything go "TUMBLING DOWN". Episode 25-26 are entirely character studies where Shinji is broken into pieces and basically rebuilt (in-universe explanation is that this is Instrumentality, while End of Evangelion is showing the exact plot things that are happening). In some ways, I can understand that "fixing" Shinji in the span of roughly 40 minutes when you have no idea what's going on with the plot can be grating, but it definitely is the kind of scenario where you have to understand the intricacies of the plot and exactly what Instrumentality is to get why it's happening in 40 minutes. In that way, while I think the execution left many questions, I do think it left you with all the pieces to a coherent puzzle that ties plot and character development together.

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>>155629707
Look at the way Kensuke is smiling. What a faggot.
And I remember Toji was whistling in that scene.

Shinji is a slut.

>>155629886
It smells like bacon with salt and sugar on it.

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>>155630023
I weigh about 115lbs though.

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>>155629888
Well they're still far more similar to each other than with Nadia. Yet people rarely make the link.

Shinji could have turned out the same way as Noriko if he had similar people around him to boost his confidence like she did.
Nature vs. Nurture, and all that.

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>>155629952
>>155630052
That's kinda hot actually.

>>155629431
Shinji internalizes his problems like most anti-social nerds do.
Asuka externalizes her problems like any social teenage girl would.

Their problems at the core are very similar though, and is definitely stemming from self-hate and a desire to be loved.

>>155630130
Unfortunately I have hemorrhoids so I can't get fucked in the ass. Life is suffering. At least I am lucky enough to like girls as well though.

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I never got the Shinji hate, when I watched it I seriously didn't get why he got so much hate.
Hell I thought he was pretty admirable at some occasions like getting in his fathers death machine and risk his life fighting some extra dimensional creature, because otherwise some very injured girl he didn't even had to do it.
Despite hating all this bullshit he still did his job most of the time, the only time he really quit was after the time his father basically forced him to kill one of his friends and even then he came back when he saw that shit was going sideways.
Yes he did some weird stuff, but that was only really around the end after he got deeply traumatized by all the really shit he went through.
Before that he was just some very introverted kid with some issues, because he basically got abadoned by his father.
I honestly don't get why he gets so much hate.

>>155630221
>I honestly don't get why he gets so much hate
Insecure underage fags who are too used to self-inserting into Garystu Battleshounen protags

>>155625240
Play SRW, you'll love him after that.

>>155630218
Hemorrhoids can be healed. Lucky sluts.

>>155630221
When I watched it for the first time I thought he was one of the best protagonists I'd seen. I never really felt any anger towards him because I didn't see what he had done that wasn't believable or understandable.

>>155625240

It sounds like you know why hes unlikable
Whats the point of this thread?

>>155630221
When I first watched it, the only thing I knew about the series was the "get in the robot shinji" meme. I was expecting him to complain about not wanting to fight for 5 episodes before getting into the Eva but I was shocked when he got in it the very first episode. This is what people were complaining about?

>>155626252
>>155625520
>>155625300
>>155625614
>self-hating turds at it again

Go sulk on /r9k/

>>155625240
Shinji's pretty annoying but thats the whole point

>>155630732
Personally I never understood the whole "self-hate" reasoning as to why people hate him. It just sounds so full of shit.

>>155630774
This is exactly what someone would say if they really did have issues with self-worth but didn't want to accept it or blocked them out. Not saying this is the case with everyone, but certainly some people might do some mental gymnastics to distance themselves from relating to a character they see as an annoying pussy.

Its also different if you watch NGE at say 26-30 vs 14-18. When youre 17 you might really empathize with Shinji and how unfairly rigged the world is against him. All is moping is understandable because you might be going through your own teen angst. But when youre an adult and youve already passed this phase and become a mindless robot drone in society, it's easy to get irritated at his immaturity. You just want him to wise up to reality because you already know the harsh truth that moping around is not only pointless, but pathetic.

I just randomly thought of this but it is similiar to how its difficult to empathize with people who have depression or severe anxiety. Unless youre going through the same thing, it can come off as whiney and self important. The world is so beautiful etc etc, how could anyone be depressed? And they aren't wrong, its frustrating to see someone wallow in self pity when you know how destructive that can be. But I think the thing people forget is that Shinji was just 14 and he should have had another 8 years to be a kid without worrying about the world but he was thrust into it early. Naturally, it really fucks with his head.

Shinji is one of the best protagonists in fiction

Just make sure you're super baked when you watch NGE

>>155630732
>reading comprehension
I was talking about OP, not myself. And I suppose the other 3 posters were doing the same. I like myself and I never hated Shinji.

>>155625240
Were you the same guy that posted the other day? Anyways, Shinji is supposed to be a real boy and would react the way that real boys do to abandonment, death, and constant life threatening situations. He isn't Naruto.

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>>155625240
Because you're a fucking faggot and Shinji is best girl.

>>155631429
I'm 27 and still relate to Shinji when I watch NGE. I wonder if that's good or bad.

>>155632371
That's bad.

>>155631429
>You just want him to wise up to reality because you already know the harsh truth that moping around is not only pointless, but pathetic
I don't see how people refuse to see things in another perspective. We were all teens at one point. The message may not resonate with them as much if at all, but at the same time they need to understand that it's a shonen.

>>155632371
empathy is never bad anon

>>155632147
Real boys don't act like Shinji. Even ones who have had the same upbringing as him.

>>155631429
>But when youre an adult and youve already passed this phase and become a mindless robot drone in society, it's easy to get irritated at his immaturity.
Wrong. He's 14 and he's forced to do stuff many adults won't agree to do. He's manipulated and used by every single person in the show. The world IS rigged against him. The never ending "it's only you, who can save the day, Shinji-kun" and constant psychological abuse these are the irritating things.

He doesn't owe them anything and for him would be best to just leave with the train in that one episode but because he's an impressionable kid he stays to suffer.

Just what kind of underdeveloped, callous person one must be not to feel bad for him.

>>155632730
Have they gone through the same things though?

>>155632730
but shinji is basically a coward, are you saying cowards don't exist?

>>155625240
Which episode are you on? Episode three/four (The one you posted he's an unlikeable twat)

Shinji-haters truly are disgusting creatures.

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If I were Shinji I would not get in the robot.

>>155632956
Yes, just look at fucking child soldiers.
They've been through where more fucked up shit than him and they still grow up with more balls and conviction.
>>155632977
They do, but Shinji acts like a drama queen rather than realistically most of the time because it's an Anime and that's more entertaining.

>>155632977
Yeah? And how exactly he's a coward if he got in the robot every time, and decided to stay and "help" when he could easily leave. Hell, he could leave at every point in the show.

>>155632730
>Even ones who have had the same upbringing as him.
Considering we don't live in a post-second impact world, I can't imagine this is the case.

>>155633086
>Yes, just look at fucking child soldiers.
Well, maybe because they decide to be child soldiers. Btw have you seen many so that you can easily tell that? Maybe you've been one?
Source of the statement: your ass

>>155633086
>Yes, just look at fucking child soldiers.
>They've been through where more fucked up shit than him and they still grow up with more balls and conviction.
Tell us more about all these child soldiers you've been acquainted with.

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>>155625300
Nah, maybe in some cases this is true for people but when I was younger I tried watching gurren lagann but Simons pussyness annoyed me so much I dropped it. I was a loud annoying jock who loved myself too much when I was younger so you can't say it's because I related to him
Eventually picked it up year's after that and enjoyed it a lot including Simon's character growth

>>155633179
Child soldiers don't choose to be in that position you retard. They're often forced into it.
>>155633190
Pick up a book sometime.

>>155633038
I mean really

Shinji experienced that thing taking a Nuke face on with no visible effect

>>155633086
Child soldiers are still raised to be emotionless soldiers and trained as such, also most of them either have dead parents, or were snatched away from their parents, either way they still have an idea that their parents cared for them.

Shinji was outright abandoned and his teachers just went through the motions with him.
Shinji never got given a purpose, and being in a moderately cosy lifestyle meant that he 'shouldn't complain' like the rest of peers. Naturally this made him feel even more like an outcast when really all he wanted was his dad's affection, who was very much still alive and able to contact him at any time, which made it 100 times worse.

>>155625240
Being unsure of everything gets annoying.

Shinji is Hedeaki Anno at that time in his life

>>155633232
>Pick up a book sometime
Regardless of how good of a read it may make, success stories aren't the norm in this situation.

>>155625520
I'm just like him and I hate myself, but I pity him.

>>155633299
Shinji had it good compared to child soldiers and many others in the world
He had it the best out of the other Eva characters and he still acted like the worst

>>155633232
>Child soldiers don't choose to be in that position you retard.
Yeah right. Because they don't volunteer to help the county/kill infidels/whatever other reason. Maybe you're the one who should read a book? If they were forced into real war they would just die right there. Such episodes took place and they died in masse, no "growing more balls you're talking about" and those who lived were scared for life and turned to unviable, unstable people. No, buddy, they volunteer.

>>155633557
Child soldiers, gang members, even teens that enter ISIS, were all brought into those positions and those lifestyles because they thought it was the only option they had.
Either for money or because they had no parents or friends to properly raise them. They don't just volunteer for shit's and giggles.

>>155633552
Retarded hater, can't see through his headcanons.
Why are you comparing presumably "child soldiers", that you can't even give example of, with Shinji and his impossible situations?
Out of all the cast Asuka obviously acted the worst towards everyone that's clear as day.

>>155633748
Asuka had it way worse than Shinji so that's understandable

>>155625240
If you dislike Shinji, you likely either have a low IQ, or you're a teen.

A great analog to this is Catcher in the Rye, a book that I thought was complete shit in Middle School, thanks to Holden, but now that I've gone through a top five uni Philosophy department and read 250~ books (not that much) I can honestly say that it's good, and I feel much more sympathetic towards Holden.

Shinji isn't relatable in the slightest. At least not to me.

I understand that he's shy, he's a coward, and at no point has he ever been encouraged to be any more than he is, but for fucks sake, there are moments where he just needs to fucking talk. Points where the audience has to suffer through awkward bouts of him just staring at people instead of fucking talking to them aren't relatable. Nobody actually acts the way he does in real life, so when people say they relate to him I find myself genuinely confused.

If Shinji actually made an effort to communicate and be more confident than he is, only to fuck up and feel stupid, THAT would be relatable. I'm not saying that never happens, but most of the time we're just left with a character that constantly creates problems due to his unrealistic social incompetence.

So much effort was made trying to make him as pathetic as possible that they forgot to give him any other redeeming traits. That's not relatable, and if it is, then seek help.

>>155633869
You're autistic, or a brainlet.

>>155633658
Hahah that's funny. Funny how you don't know shit what you're talking about. They do volunteer, they WANT to kill infedels and explode and they BELIEVE that what they're doing is the right thing.
>They don't just volunteer for shit's and giggles.
Don't put words in my mouth, autismo, they volunteer because they believe they're doing the right thing.

Also reread that anons post again, maybe you'll get it better the second time >>155633299

>>155633834
I love Shinji but Holden and Catcher in the Rye is absolute shit, anon

>>155633922

>not being socially awkward makes me autistic

nice bait friend

>>155633828
>it's ok if the character I like does that
Underage autismo confirmed

>>155632901
>He doesn't owe them anything and for him would be best to just leave with the train in that one episode but because he's an impressionable kid he stays to suffer.

jesus christ if he leaves he dies with the rest of the world
i'm sure beating up a few aliens with robots is worth it for that and it's not like teenagers weren't forced to fight in other circumstances, shinji is far from having it THIS hard, he just has crippling depression and other shit that makes his situation worse

>>155634019
Go to a school that's at least in the top ten, like the upper tier Ivys, and read it again.

>>155634118
Everyone who is anyone agrees Catcher in the Rye is dogshit.
It's badly written and there's no meaningful point to it.

>>155634196
State schoolers aren't anyone of value.

>>155634047
Asuka actually went through a bunch of traumatic shit.
Shinji didn't, so he has no excuse.

>>155634064
>jesus christ if he leaves he dies with the rest of the world
Wrong. They can always find a new pilot and that was stated many times. Rewatch the show.

>shinji is far from having it THIS hard
Yeah right, cause having your heart stop from the extreme pain is all rainbows and unicorns.

Fucking retards, I swear.

>>155634196
>PHONIES GET OUT

>>155634252
Either are ivy league schoolers, just look at how many special snowflakes are causing a scene there too.

>>155634196
Pynchon and Nabokov loved that book, you utter pleb

>>155634257
As I said:
>it's ok if the character I like does that

Also it's obvious at this point that you have brain damage, so I'll take the effort to redirect you at your own post >>155633552
>He had it the best out of the other Eva characters and he still acted like the worst

>>155634257
>Shinji didn't

Except for the fact he never was able to form any relations ever in his life prior to going to Nerv

>>155634346
>Pynchon and Nabokov
Like he said. Everyone WHO IS ANYONE agrees that Catcher in the Rye is dogshit.

>>155634268
Oh you mean like the Dummy Plug and how they let him leave in episode 19?

>>155634375
That's not my post, though

>>155634395
>omg mum bring the camera I'm so edgy on the internet

>>155634268
>They can always find a new pilot and that was stated many times
other pilots suck dick and get instantly rekt including asuka

>Yeah right, cause having your heart stop from the extreme pain is all rainbows and unicorns.
experimenting intense pain for a few seconds for like 10 times at most is far from being so horrible and if it was the cost to save millions of lives and the world it's really far from being any bad

it didn't stop Shinji from taking the pilot job as a fun thing from times to times (he literally went "piloting is a man's job :^) " once) so there's no "the intense pain was so intense he has physical trauma which breaks his mind everytime he sees an Eva" argument or something

>>155634384
Of course he was able to. He just chose not to because he's a self-hating retard who always wants to complain but never wants to change anything.

>>155634384
not having REAL friends isn't the same as "muh mother killed herself with a doll and tried to kill me with her so i begged her not to or something"

good lord anno what the fuck were you smoking

>>155634494
>He chose not to

He choose not to have parents?

>>155634441
I only mentioned these, not like there isn't other stuff.

>>155634456
>other pilots suck dick and get instantly rekt including asuka
Source: your ass

Bonus point: they have an entire class of future pilots.
Source: NGE

>having your heart stop from the extreme pain
>is far from being so horrible
>far from being any bad
I bet you cried from a little scratch as a kid, you literall autist.

>it didn't stop Shinji from taking the pilot job
Yeah right, maybe because he's a 14 y.o. impressionable kid that experienced condtant psychological abuse from all the adults around? Huh, I wonder.

>>155633228
Yeah I'm not saying it's the only reason people hate him but I think it's a major one. Another one is this whole idea that he's a despicable coward and a passive pussy for getting into the robot to fight giant monsters reluctantly and not boning any of the 3 crazy girls.

>>155634712
Shinji is necessary to pilot Unit 01 though, because Yui is a cunt

>>155634826
It was stated many times that there are other Evas in the world. And they even imported one.

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>>155634712
>Bonus point: they have an entire class of future pilots.
which would have to start from scratch and get rekt (see toji, or asuka/rei who suck)

>I bet you cried from a little scratch as a kid, you literall autist.
yeah i actually recall that happening to me once
doesn't have anything to do with the situation at hand, though, when the fate of the world is at stake a bit of physical punishment is nothing, especially when it's like 10 sessions of 10s of intense pain, it's really nothing especially since Shinji took the job LIKE A JOKE sometimes.

You don't do that shit if it's THAT traumatic. If Shinji had it as bad as you try to make it out to be, he wouldn't say a single word when entering his Eva, keep shaking all the way through trying to muster any psychological strength he'd have and make the job as fast as possible.

instead we have fucking DANCE LIKE YOU WANT TO WIN episodes.

>>155634909
>many others

Like 12? And they only JUST finish mass producing them by EoE, those first few weeks it's just Shinji

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>>155635042
and this
why would he give a single shit about Rei or her smile when he supposedly suffer so much it's breaking him on a regular basis

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>>155635285
Because Rei is a fucking cutie and her selflessness and smile cheered him up.

>>155635344
You know, it's never dawned on me until just now how weird it is for Gendo to have literally clone his wife into a teenager's body.

>>155635575
It's pretty desperate of him, yeah.

>>155635042
>which would have to start from scratch and get rekt (see toji, or asuka/rei who suck)
And? I bet you magically forget what Shinji's first fight looked like. They put him out there when he literally couldn't walk. They would master something.

>when the fate of the world is at stake
First of all, it's not and we've already estimated that. Secondly, who the fuck knows how would you/me/anyone react in that case. And finally, if you consider that and many, many other incidents, basically in every fight, a "bit of physical punishment" you should probably be kept closed in a psychiatric hospital.

>You don't do that shit if it's THAT traumatic.
It was though, that was the reason he wanted to leave that many times. He obviously didn't like to pilot it. It wasn't just physical pain, of course but also psychological abuse he was suffering from.

>instead we have fucking DANCE LIKE YOU WANT TO WIN episodes.
Shitty comic relief. Thank the master.

>>155635234
>Like 12?
Source motherfucker, do you have it? I'm done arguing with your headcanons, autismo. If they needed him THAT much, they wouldn't let him go in the first place.

>>155635285
Because he's a good girl(male) and that obviously was "other person's life" > "my own physical pain" for him. Doesn't neglect his suffering in any way.
Consider taking logic classes.

>>155635662
>And? I bet you magically forget what Shinji's first fight looked like. They put him out there when he literally couldn't walk. They would master something.
Or they'd get killed before they could

>First of all, it's not and we've already estimated that.
it is because angels kill millions

>if you consider that and many, many other incidents, basically in every fight, a "bit of physical punishment" you should probably be kept closed in a psychiatric hospital.
Intense pain for 10 seconds for like 10 fights only qualifies as a bit of physical punishment when we're talking about life-or-death situations. Shinji (or anyone else) would go much further to survive given the right context

>It was though, that was the reason he wanted to leave that many times. He obviously didn't like to pilot it. It wasn't just physical pain, of course but also psychological abuse he was suffering from.
What I'm saying is that either it's absolutely breaking him and he wouldn't behave that normally and complain about the pain and shit or it's not that horrible and it's partly because of his teenage crisis.
It's the latter btw. And psychological abuse (like muh father / muh manipulation) is nothing in the face of life-or-death situations, again.

>Because he's a good girl(male) and that obviously was "other person's life" > "my own physical pain" for him. Doesn't neglect his suffering in any way.
What?
Rei's smile and socialization wouldn't matter at all to someone whose sanity is being biologically destroyed by the kind of torture you're claiming he goes through.

Shinji behaves like a relatively sheltered boy yet you're comparing him to one of those African child soldiers. Yes he's technically a child soldier but there's a huge difference between them.

>>155635940
Wew, I mean all there headcanons.
>Or they'd get killed before they could
>angels kill millions
>It's the latter btw.

>Intense pain for 10 seconds
I already said, that was just one example. If you can't think of other times he was in pain, then it's safe to assume you didn't watch the show.

>And psychological abuse (like muh father / muh manipulation) is nothing in the face of life-or-death situations, again.
And he is not obliged to go through that in the first place. You don't realise the cause-effect relationships here.
He's psychologically abused therefore he's facing these life-or-death situations. Because his psyche is fragile and he's impressionable. Again.

>you're comparing him to one of those African child soldiers
Huh? I never did though.

>>155625240
The thread had probably moved on by now, but I have a theory for why Shinji is the way he is.

Lots of coming-of-age stories have characters with similar issues to Shinji's, but those issues are usually resolved after a quick slap to the face when the character is told to face reality and stop being a little shit. I've had several moments like that in my life -- young anon was a major pain in the ass, but (I hope) he got better. Shinji doesn't really "get better" until the end, when he finally faces his flaws and makes a little progress. To me, Eva was about taking a microscope to the stop-being-a-selfish-spoiled-little-bitch arc and devoting 26 episodes to it.

Remember when Amuro got slapped because he wouldn't get in the damn robot when he was needed to save people? He didn't even think of the needs of other people because he was so wrapped up in his own issues. He got over it pretty quick, but imagine there was an entire anime series dedicated to that part of the episode.

Oh wait, you don't, because it's Eva.

>>155631429
I just watched NGE at 26, and thought Shinji was a whiny cunt for the most part.

>>155625240
I think it's not his cowardice or angst, but rather his sense of entitlement. He expects others to love him and blames them when they fail to understand him on a personal level. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be loved, the issue is when you expect certain people to automatically love you.

>>155637962
This. The criticisms of Shinji about his whininess and cowardice are stupid, he's basically a child forced into a life or death situation. But I can understand people disliking him because of his self centredness and sense of entitlement, and the hypocrisy he shows when he expects others to love and understand him with no effort on his part. Shinji is very very frustrating. I kinda have a love/hate relationship with him.

>>155637746
That is the point.

>>155625240
>character is intended to be hard to watch and unlikable
>makes the show hard to watch and frequently unlikable
>some people still honestly believe anno is a hack and eva isnt good

>>155625240
Anno was working out some shit . . .

>They say, "To live is to change." I started this production with the wish that once the production complete, the world, and the heroes would change. That was my "true" desire. I tried to include everything of myself in Neon Genesis Evangelion-myself, a broken man who could do nothing for four years. A man who ran away for four years, one who was simply not dead. Then one thought. "You can't run away," came to me, and I restarted this production. It is a production where my only thought was to burn my feelings into film. I know my behavior was thoughtless, troublesome, and arrogant. But I tried. I don't know what the result will be. That is because within me, the story is not yet finished. I don't know what will happen to Shinji, Misato or Rei. I don't know where life will take them. Because I don't know where life is taking the staff of the production. I feel that I am being irresponsible. But... But it's only natural that we should synchronize ourselves with the world within the production. I've taken on a risk: "It's just an imitation." And for now I can only write this explanation. But perhaps our "original" lies somewhere within there.

>"Evangelion is my life and I have put everything I know into this work. This is my entire life. My life itself."

Who here has depression?

>>155631429
>But when youre an adult and youve already passed this phase and become a mindless robot drone in society, it's easy to get irritated at his immaturity. You just want him to wise up to reality because you already know the harsh truth that moping around is not only pointless, but pathetic.
If you have no empathy at all. And a lot of it wasn't even teenage angst, he was legitimately suffering in a world that threw too much at him

>>155642130
Not me.

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>>155625240
I like him. In fact, he's my wife.

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>>155625300
I don't love myself and I feel nothing but empathy for those poor, fucked up kids.

>>155625240
nge entry-level garbage

>>155631429
I was in my mid-40s when I watched NGE, and thought that Shinji was just a harmless everyman type, in a situation where he was in over his head, but doing his best with the shitty hand he'd been dealt. It was EoE where I lost patience with him -- he'd been doing this long enough that just keeping putting one foot in front of the other would have been a habit, because people do adapt to the shit they have to deal with, but he suddenly turned into this quitter.

It was Asuka who reminded me painfully of my teen self, so take this as you will.

>>155625240
>why is he so fucking UNLIKABLE
Because you're not supposed to like them. Shinji, Rei, and Asuka are a bunch of angsty teens. The only reason why people like Rei and Asuka is because they're hot.

>>155646364
>It was Asuka who reminded me painfully of my teen self, so take this as you will.
I will take it as your then and perhaps current inability to understand that backsliding is a common way to deal (or not deal) with trauma and how it affects everyday life. Especially with self-loathing individuals in Shinji's vein, having the potential to better oneself can be horrifying.
Asuka and Shinji are excellent at displaying how wildly different two individuals' reactions to similar traumas can be. For my own part, I viscerally hate Asuka because of how deeply and bitterly she reminds me of people I have known; meanwhile, I heavily relate to Shinji.

>>155646364
EoE is directly after he kills Kaworu. He doesn't have anyone to help him deal with it; Misato doesn't care, Asuka is catatonic, he's afraid of Rei because he learned what she is. He gives up in a similar way when he has to fight Toji's Eva, but this situation is worse; it wasn't the dummy plug, he chose to kill Kaworu himself. I think it's reasonable that having to kill the only person that's shown him genuine concern for his problems might fuck him up in a way that some of the other shit he went through didn't.

>>155625520
I felt empathy for Shinji but Gendo was an incomprehensible piece of shit.

>Shinji keeps coming back because EVERYTHING fucking falls apart every time he's fed up with the bullshit and leaves
>HURR DURR WE DON'T NEED YOU YOU JUST WANT MUH APPROVAL
>meanwhile an Angel is fucking everyone's shit up because Asuka is a basket case and Rei sucks at everything she does

>>155635344
Actually it was just confusing.

>>155625240
Because people in the real world are fucking unlikable.

>>155649477
That is just like your opinion, man.

>>155646083
Oh shit, youre rifght, lets go watch one of the moeshit animes instead!

>>155646417
this