What did this man do to improve the industry he constantly badmouthed?
Google it
>>155588627
I can't Google what doesn't exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMS_Entertainment
>>155588578
He has created it and has made the most valuable things in it.
>>155588578
He made it you fucking dumbass moefag
>>155588578
He is the man responsible for introducing fried chicken to the masses.
Make a few episodes and a movie of Lupin III that don't fit the rest of the franchise, then crank out a bunch of shit he could sell to Disney.
Some people who watched and liked his works later became part of the industry and actually contributed to it. He also made anime a bit more popular with normies in the west.
That's it, I guess.
>>155589010
>>155588830
>>155588745
>IMPROVE
learn to read
>>155588578
Is this the prime minister of Japan?
>>155588578
Is there any reason you think he's wrong? Anime is a joke nowdays because it's exclusively tailored to the worst elements of society, obsessives with no social lives
>>155589024
the creation of Studio Ghibli really improved the medium of anime I'd say
>>155589080
All of his shit is exactly that.
>>155589024
Define the terms of what you believe constitutes as an "improvement" before we have this conversation then.
>>155589180
Read >>>155589129
>>155589080
Gee I enjoy catering to the normalfags of society with capeshit.
>>155589203
What is it? I don't see any explanation here.
He's been bitching more and more with every fucking year because he is apparently a genius for making some overbudgeted mediocre shit a long time ago. Meanwhile animators are working for peanuts just so they can draw their waifu.
I really fucking hate how people seem to have a radar that's always looking for a dick to ride.
>>155589230
You don't get it. Post-2000 otaku are incredibly consumerist and spend a lot of money, the anime industry doesn't need to cater to anyone else.
I admire 80's otaku's drive to take things to their own hands. It's when garage kits were at their peak, and just when Comiket was becoming more and more popular. "Otaku" was slapped to gun fanatics and model makers to fishing hobbyists and many sorts of relatively more productive hobbies. Now all you get are faggots who fill their room with figs, posters and dakimakuras.
>>155588578
He alongside other directors made the world see anime as a form of art and not just a thing for kids. Yesm htere were mature anime before but people neve gave them recognition as such until many years later. He badmouth today's industry because even after the effort of him and other directors the industry has just worsen, when before it was seen as a thing just for kids, now it's a think for manchilds.
>People still think he only has a problem with modern anime and not all of it
>>155589502
It's not modern anime from what I can tell, but he hates the escapism aspect of it iirc.
He just wants people to create from life and be inspired by more than whatever anime they watched last season.
>>155589502
Did he ever say he regretted making anime back in the good old days?
Also, hating the industry and the fans isn't the same as hating the medium.
>>155589129
>Being this contrarian
>>155589593
>Did he ever say he regretted making anime back in the good old days?
He didn't make anime in the good old days. He thinks it was shit by the time he joined the industry in the 60s.
>>155588830
>He created the anime industry
You what?
>>155589682
I haven't stated anything so I can't be contrarian now can I?
>>155589459
>made the world see anime as a form of art and not just a thing for kids
He clearly didn't do a good job of that himself, when you go into Target and find Spirited Away in the children's section and Precure on the shelf with Prison Break.
>>155589734
Are you blind?
It's a basic fact that any REAL anime fan knows.
Miyazaki created the anime industry in 2000 when he released spirited away, the first anime.
>>155589346
Miyazaki worked as an animator, artist, story-boarder, and director 50 years ago for TV, pre-Ghibli. His work is generally high quality and consistent. Because he achieved and produced something worthwhile from his lifetime of efforts, that means he must be overrated? Compared to what? Idiots who willingly join the convener-belt of get-rich-quick pandering shows? Absolutely not. You're completely blind and vehement for suggesting this. I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up, and instead promoted personal success, ambition and hard work. Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny. You may not like his material for whatever reason, but you'd better show some goddamn respect.
>>155589870
This, all Miyazaki movies are poorly drawn, poorly written, children's movies. Just as /a/ likes them apparently.
>>155589969
>I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up, and instead promoted personal success, ambition and hard work. Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny.
Where the fuck did this even come from?
>>155589969
Nah, he can eat shit.
>>155589969
>Miyazaki is a champion of the people. A master of his own destiny.
Please try to control your old man fetish, anon.
>>155590007
>poorly drawn,
everything else you said is up for debate, but really anon?
you're just being salty at this point.
>>155589969
>he worked for 50 years this guarantees him success and we should be nice to him
Not at all my friend, working 50 ish years is expected of every single person on this planet. The amount of work is irrelevant to his talents, which he doesn't have.
>>155590217
>no shading
Yes poorly drawn. Shading is one of the first things you learn in artclass.
>>155588578
Nothing, Satoshi Kon should have slapped his face when he had the chance.
He is like those fedora redditards that think they opinion matter just because they did the minimum effort.
He is a dumbass that sucked too much disney cock.
Fuck him, even anno is better than him.
>>155590217
also, lets ignore, for convenience, all the sameface
>>155590217
>>155590301
While we're at it, feet don't have just four toes.
When do you guys think the Miyazaki contrarian circlejerk will go the other way and people will start praising him again? It probably won't be until after he dies.
>>155590294
I couldn't possibly tell you the wages that background artists, animators, character designers, etc earn at the different studios. But it's irrelevant.
>>155590377
>muh contrarian boogeyman
I pity people like you.
>>155590335
>all the sameface
people who use this as a complain barely watch anime, most of it is samefaced.
I barely see distinct character designers anymore.
>>155590373
>feet don't have just four toes.
>anime
>being anatomically correct
you're reaching
I don't begrudge anyone for disliking Miyazaki's films, but denying the craft involved in them is just plain absurd. At that point, you really are just being contrarian for the sake of it.
>>155590419
>people who use this as a complain barely watch anime, most of it is samefaced
Not an argument? But wrong?
>feet don't count
Oh man, if the sameface, no shading and feet don't count then by all means it is extremely well drawn. Hitler would be proud. Idiot...
>>155590413
Basically everything on 4chan has to do with contrarianism. How long have you been here?
>>155590494
>Basically everything on 4chan has to do with contrarianism
except when anons suck off Kyoani's fotm show.
>>155590494
>muh boogeyman
I pity people like you.
>>155588578
he made it
>>155590539
If he made it then why is he complaining? Why has he made zero attempts at innovating? Improving? Well?
>>155588578
he proved that anime can be chill and doesn't need excessive drama to grab the viewers attention
it didn't really improve the industry tho, most writers continue trying to write overly dramatic stories even if they are not good at it
>>155590532
I'm not saying people can't have their own original opinions on here, I see it all the time. But the popular consensus is always situated against what the majority of society believes. Just go on /pol/. I'm not saying that's always a bad thing, but if Miyazaki was an unknown director that nobody knew about in the west then most people here would be praising him.
I can't watch this guys work anymore because of how strongly I dislike him, and I really like Spirited Away as a kid.
>>155589870
Miyazaki still make movies with kids as the target audience. But he incorparates things that adults would enjoy too, manly a lot of adult characters and backstories with parallels with things in the real world. He also makes a well use of cinematography, something that wasn't common back then and still isn't common nowdays. The ones who pushed anime for adults as a form of art were Satoshi Kon and Katsuhiro Otomo.
>Precure on the shelf with Prison Break
That just proves his point about otaku culture and today's anime industry.
>>155590698
>>155589870
Precure is a kids' show, though.
I bet there are people here who still believe that Miyazaki actually said "Anime was a mistake" or the various other images of him posted here that are photo-shopped.
>>155590677
>just go on /pol/
Stay there and never return if you're not going to contribute and just throw around false accusations instead of providing an actual argument. /a/ is not comparable to any other place.
I haven't seen a Miyazaki film in years, the last one was Ponyo, but I've always like his works though, he makes really comfy movies.
We need more anime directed at children that's handled as seriously as he does.
Most children's anime are just shounen battle anime, or something to sell a toy.
Miyazaki's films are all about entertaining kids with fantastic stories, and this results in a work that I can only descirbe as pure.
>>155590698
>things adults would enjoy too
None of his movies are enjoyed by any respectable adult. Because they're children's movies. How hard is this concept to you? He isn't Disney, he's not even on the level of Pixar.
>>155590804
The culture of 4chan stays the same for every board. You should stop throwing around false accusations about miyazaki then and try to defend the ridiculous things said in this thread.
>>155590866
>None of his movies are enjoyed by any respectable adult. Because they're children's movies.
tell that to the thousands of normalfags who praised spirited away and grave of the fireflies.
>>155590906
This
>>155590866
>being so insecure that you label things as "for children" and "for adults" on a fucking anime board of all places
>>155589969
>I wish we lived in a world where people didn't always feel sorry for the fuck-up
This. successful people are being considered evil people in western society too.
>>155590753
Exactly but otakus don't like Precure for its human characters or its stories related to real life issues (You have Doremi for that). Otakus watch Precure because of the idealized girls.
>>155590866
>Because they're children's movies
How hard is for you to make a actual argument instead of shitposting?
>>155590906
>grave of the fireflies.
Miyazaki didn't even directed that one.
>>155590894
>The culture of 4chan
Leave
>>155590906
>thousands
WOW.
>>155590930
>being so insecure
stopped reading there
>>155590943
not an argument
see I can do that too
>>155590981
Stopped reading because your insecure.
>>155590981
So you're just another one of those endlessly negative and contrarian people that you see all the time here that make discussing anything impossible. You're too far gone, I'm not going to bother responding again.
>>155591044
Is English really that hard?
>>155591046
>endlessly negative
Elaborate
>>155589593
He made Kiki. He was also a confirmed pedo.
He really no right criticizing the current industry.
>>155591124
This, guys a major hypocrite.
>>155590981
>not an argument
I can't give you an argument if you don't give one first. But I guess I can argue that things make for children can be enjoyed by adults since a long time. WIthout going too further a lot of books for children are considered true pieces of literature: Alice in Wonderland, The hobbit, The treasure Island, even the fairy tales recompiled by the Green Brothers, they could seem very adult now they were made for children originally.
So Miyazaki main audience being children doesn't detriment their artistic values.
>>155588578
honestly he was a part of the industry in name only, his movies targeted a general audience while most anime studios targeted niche audiences of shut-ins or children
>>155590933
These two guys were talented artists and started their own business. I respect them for it, even if I may not enjoy everything they have produced. /a/ will call them talentless hacks for this.
>>155591305
Read >>>155591090
Why has the grammar of the average user on /a/ declined so much recently? This isn't a single time occurrence either, I am noticing it in literally every post of yours.
>>155591381
Not your safe space.
>>155591402
I actually have a cold. That's why my grammar is so shitty tonight.
>>155591402
Your two statements are slightly contradicting, are they not?
>>155588578
He legitimized anime by making movies that the average person could easily watch.
So you when some one finds out you like anime you can easily say yeah i love Ponyo, instead of saying something like I love 14 year old nazi girl panties.
>>155591402
Holy fuck so you are from MAL lmao
Also it is my safe space get it through your retarded outsider skull already
>>155591402
Literally stop posting you sack of shit.
>>155591487
While obviously they are. I think MAL loves Miyazaki movies so I'm still not sure how that would make a difference.
I lost interest though. Stupid thread. Not nearly as good as the one we had the other day.
I like how Miyazaki threads don't even pretend not to be 100% shitposting threads anymore.
>>155591844
>it's shitposting because it's a different opinion than mine
>>155588578
I'm going to be skip his comments about the kind of people that watch anime and focus primarily on the complaints about how cheaply made and consumerist anime is and has been since the 60s.
His own projects are made without any intention to sell things other than itself and without skimping out on animation just to save a few bucks. Basically, the exact opposite of most anime.
Now, does this fix the problems of the industry? Hell no. The problem is much bigger than any one person can fix and not everybody has the conviction to make what they want, consequences be damned.
>>155588578
Not sure what to think of him. I can respect the work he's done(even if i didn't like every single thing).
What he's said about the current industry isn't totally wrong, I guess. Not like one person can fix it anyway.
>>155588745
Kill yourself Famicom.
>>155590445
Not so much a craft when you realize his animation team consists of 600+ people and he literally can't do jack shit without them.
>>155589040
Yes.
>>155590698
>But he incorparates things that adults would enjoy too, manly a lot of adult characters and backstories with parallels with things in the real world.
Have you not watched a single family movie? For fucks sake even a sitcom like Full House has more for both kids and parents to enjoy that is more relevant to life than a Miyazaki movie.
>>155590698
>He also makes a well use of cinematography, something that wasn't common back then and still isn't common nowdays.
Cinematography has been used since the beginning of anime you fucking twat. In fact the reason anime is still even being made nowadays despite its piss-poor budget is because lots of cinematography techniques are used to hide the lack of animation (i.e. panning shots). Most famous example being the Eva TV series.
Miyazaki movies are notable not because of the cinematography, but because of the animation quality and general smoothness of movement that doesn't need heavy amounts of cinematography to hide it.
Why are all Miyazakifags so fucking stupid?
>>155593356
not him but he said "made well use of". Just using some simple techniques to hide your bad animation is not an effective use of cinematography.
>>155593160
So basically, the only director you respect is that guy that made Midori all on his own.
>>155593486
My point is that Miyazaki's usage of cinematography is nothing to write home about and using cinematography is not only desired but absolutely required in the realm of anime. Miyazaki's stuff is cinematic but not because of the cinematography, but because of the animation quality. He's not special at all in that regard.
he gave a bunch of clouds hell the other day
>>155593587
I respect animators and directors whose individual voices still shine through despite working in the shithole that is the anime industry. Miyazaki is an old fart who lives in an ivory tower where he controls everything and doesn't have to deal with any of the restrictions that far more talented people toiling away right now in the anime industry have to live with on a daily basis. And yet he has the gall to shit on these individuals because they don't have the same luxuries as he does.
>>155591391
Anno may have talent, but it doesn't stop him from being a hack.
Who cares about this old fuck when we got based Shinkai now?
>>155593619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GpUQ42qtRA
>>155593717
he doesn't shit on these people. stop taking everything you read about miyazaki on /a/ seriously and actually read something that he's written.
>>155594009
>I can't justify my own opinions and have to let someone else do the thinking for me
No wonder you love Miyazaki so much.
>>155594052
>he doesn't shit on these people.
Fucking idiot, I've read both his biographies (Starting Point and Turning Point) and countless interviews with him on sites like Nausicaa.net and Buta Connection.
I've seen him shit not only on the anime industry at least once every decadie since he started working, but other big icons such as motherfucking Tezuka, the Fleischer Brothers, and even golden age 40's and 50's Walt Disney animations.
Miyazaki has always been an egotistical cunt who not only abuses his animators and neglects his family, he also has a warped sense of how real life works because he's been so fucking sheltered from it all.
>>155589969
>Idiots who willingly join the convener-belt of get-rich-quick pandering shows
you really think people want to work for a shit studio, making some crap otaku-bait anime?, no anon, some producers might do that, but most animators are just guys wanting to make the next lotgh or eva, it's the fucking studio system, that doesn't know how to fucking make anime that makes it's budget back, without having to shove the otaku bait in
>>155589101
Oh please. Is this some kind of low troll attempt?
>>155594222
Nothing I can say except I completely disagree with you. You'll always have your opinion and I'll have mine so I'm not going to bother with arguing. But anyways since we have so many people hating on him in this thread I just want to say that Miyazaki is one of the greatest film directors to ever live, along with directors like Bresson, Naruse, and D.W. Griffith.
>>155590943
There is literally nothing wrong with cute girls.
>>155594437
You ran out of arguments and cannot counter his, thus you proceed to retreat?
Not that I cannot understand it. Miyazaki is very hard to defend.
>>155594437
Any retard can have an opinion. But only opinions with actual thought and understanding of a medium behind them are worth something.
Like the guy who runs the Ghibli Blog, you know nothing about how anime is made or the real reason why people like Miyazaki in the first place, or what kind of person he is. Instead you prefer to idolize him and put him next to some people that he more than likely doesn't even like.
>>155594514
I said idealized, not cute. Miyazaki already draws cute girls.
Why do anti-moe retards suck this guys dick again? Almost all his work was about cute little
girls and was filled with panty shots.
>>155594650
Because his work is popular and "accepted" in the west, so they consider his loli pantsu more legitimate than other loli pantsu.
>>155594525
>>155594547
I never made any arguments in this thread, I have in previous Miyazaki threads but I don't care to this time. I don't care at all what the real reason people like Miyazaki is I'm just making a personal statement about the quality of his work just like everyone else in this thread. I know a lot about how animation is made, because I make animation myself. I'm fine with people not liking or even hating Miyazaki's work but this thread is just a bunch of shitposters making one-word responses and making judgements on the personal character of Miyazaki. No one in this thread has explained their opinions with any real thought or understanding behind them, including me, and that's all you should expect from Miyazaki threads by this point. Maybe a few years ago you could discuss his work but not anymore. Peace out.
>>155594650
His little girls and panties weren't made to titillate.
>>155594754
So the people who use Miyazaki as a vessel for their hate are normalfags who want anime to be more normal? I don't dislike his works myself, but the people who latch onto his name and image are some of the most annoying fucks on this board.
>>155594589
I repeat myself.
>>155594222
>Miyazaki has always been an egotistical cunt who not only abuses his animators and neglects his family, he also has a warped sense of how real life works because he's been so fucking sheltered from it all.
Spot on, I like some of the films he worked on (Lupin, Howl, and Cat Returns) but most his works don't appeal to me and I find the statements he makes about people that are different than him to be cringeworthy (like when he compared Ipad use to masturbation) so I avoid Ghilbi in general.
>>155595062
I'm talking about their personalities, not their looks.
>>155594993
>because I make animation myself.
If you're not a slave working as an animator in Japan right now where every frame gets you the equivalent of a nickel, your judgement of Miyazaki means fuck all. I'm not even going to ask if you're a CGI animator, but if you are you should know that Miyazaki's principals are vastly different than yours.
Do not idolize Miyazaki. Even he doesn't want to be idolized.
>>155593717
>And yet he has the gall to shit on these individuals because they don't have the same luxuries as he does.
To be honest, he probably still thinks it's as easy as saving up and starting your own studio.
>>155594222
>cunt who not only abuses his animators and neglects his family,
He's also a literal pedophile.
>>155595298
???
>>155595053
Miyazaki fans in the west are the fucking worst. They all think that other anime is garbage and that Miyazaki is unironically the most important person in all of anime despite the fact that he has almost no bearing or representation of the anime industry itself. The worst part is that many of them try to make him some champion of some political ideal that they project onto him, whether it's feminism or environmentalism when in reality his opinions are much different than what they believe.
>>155595360
Miyazaki is a pedophile, a literal one, not just into drawings
Best English article about Miyazaki on the internet.
http://www.kyotojournal.org/the-journal/culture-arts/musings-on-miyazaki-early-and-late-2/
>>155595442
Reads like a bunch of Shakespearean to me.
>>155594273
>you really think people want to work for a shit studio, making some crap otaku-bait anime?, no anon, some producers might do that, but most animators are just guys wanting to make the next lotgh or eva
Yeah, I don't believe a single part of that. Most otaku seem to be perfectly contempt with averageness, predictability, safeness, etc. If there were really so many young enthusiastic people who wanted to make something original and ambitious it would definitely be more noticeable. I don't see anyone trying to make the steps to start up small projects/companies, so what's going on? Why aren't the studio systems being changed if they're so bad? I don't believe that lowly animators are big visionaries, and not just anime fanboys who thought it would be cool to help slave at the products they enjoy for minimum wage like suicidal maniacs.
>>155595581
It's basically saying that Miyazaki's later movies turned to shit because he started hamfisting his political messages harder and harder instead of letting his films flow naturally.
Also a bunch of interesting excerpts about his strange thinking process taken from his collection of quotes/interviews, Starting Point.
Stop liking what I don't like! -old anime man
>>155595361
The best part of all this is how a noname 3D anime (which he believe is an insult to life) did more for an environmental awareness than all his movies combined.
I don't get why people hate on him too much. You people treat him like his words threaten the anime you cherish or something. His words are influential but not enough to change in industry you guys know and love.
I mean it isn't like he's totally wrong about the industry and it's infatuation for otaku. He has a point.
>>155595730
>I don't get why people hate on him too much.
Because he's a massive hypocrite with serious delusional problems. See >>155594222
He may be right about the state of anime currently, but a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>155595656
Miyazaki was always shit. I don't need some nutjob telling me his movies aren't clichéd in fancy words when I can make that decision for myself. All he did was make himself sound pretentious. Just like Miyazaki.
>>155595716
He doens't hate 3D animation, he hated that particular shitty 3D animation.
>>155595730
>hate
I don't hate anyone. Especially not some no-name celebrity. Can you stop putting words in my mouth? It doesn't give you the tactical advantage. Please promise me you'll never misappropriate the word 'hate' again?
>>155595848
It wasn't shitty, he hated it because of something totally unrelated involving his crippled friend.
Makes you wonder how he even came up with something like No-Face with that kind of mindset.
>>155594222
Miyazaki acts irrationally angry at famous animator's works = it's a bad thing
/a/ acts irrationally angry at Miyazaki's works = it's a good thing
Two wrongs certainly don't make a right. Besides, I deny that he even truly means the things he says based on his obvious influences and career choice.
>>155595613
I think there are creative people in Japan, but they sure as hell aren't working as animators. I mean, why the hell would they? The pay is shit and not worth the amount of work they put into it.
Inspired an entire generation of directors, + had major cultural impact w/ WMT and later critically acclaimed films. Also essentially legitimized anime as an actual art form outside of Japan.
>>155595935
I genuinely sometimes think Miyazaki has autism. He's like completely unaware of his social surroundings. This has nothing to do with my opinion on his movies/works or an attempt to downplay his movies/etc with irrelevant insults. I genuinely just think the man has autism when I look at >>>155595716
that video of him
>>155595973
Your line of logic is completely stupid. People are calling out Miyazaki explicitly because of his hypocrisy. His opinion means shit because he is literally the boy who cried wolf.
>Besides, I deny that he even truly means the things he says based on his obvious influences and career choice.
So you choose to ignore his same consistent curmudgeon attitude and same whiny hypocritical complaints just so you can continue to idolize him? I don't blame you, because that level of ignorance is needed to worship someone like Miyazaki.
>>155596089
Although I should add Takahata has been just as influential as Miyazaki, and should be recognized as such.
>>155596089
>no proper shading
>no proper anatomy
>legitimized anything
He did nothing Disney didn't do way, way better. Maybe we can blame the world for not distributing Disney movies enough in Japan. But it's clearly not Miyazaki that made the cultural impact.
>>155596184
>shading
>anatomy
He's not fucking Rembrandt, anon. He's an anime director.
>>155595935
He mentioned his crippled friend because he has seen how he moves because his body doesn't move like a normal body should do. That animation was shitty because they assigned random parts of the body the faculty of moving as they wanted but none of them moved as the real think would move in that situation. Also, why the fuck they showed that to Myazaki of all people? Wouldn't have been better going to Capcom or some videogame company with horror games? Or doing something related to Miyazaki's work?
>>155596152
>People are calling out Miyazaki explicitly because of his hypocrisy.
What hypocrisy? He thinks everything is shit. That is a consistent view.
>continue to idolize him
I do not idolize him. I respect his work and career. Because I like some things he was involved with, this doesn't mean I'm deeply interested in some personal opinions he has.
>>155596184
>no proper anatomy
What? Aside from some stylistic choices the characters are quite realisticly proportioned
>>155596341
They were helping him animate how a fucking caterpillar moves. They showed him that human model because it demonstrated machine learning, something that would have been extremely useful in creating more realistic crawling movement in the CGI caterpillar. And they're not nobodies, the guy who presented was the CEO of Dwango, who more than likely is funding his whole project.
Instead he bites the hand that feeds him with some totally irrelevant sidestory that also puts all his fantasy work into question.
>>155596184
>He did nothing Disney didn't do way, way better
>muh disney
I thought we were talking about the anime industry.
Also, don't act like Disney isn't extremely popular in Japan. Heidi is proof that Miyazaki made an extreme cultural impact on Japan, and the entire world.
>>155596481
>Heidi
That was directed by Takahata you dumb motherfucker.
>>155596470
Why they didn't animated a fucking caterpillar then? No, lets show him a creepy animation.
>the CEO of Dwango
And they did?
>>155596543
>directed by Takahata
>implying Miyazaki wasn't heavily involved with every WMT during that era
Even if you somehow don't agree with that, Future Boy Conan was JUST as influential as Heidi.
>>155596089
>Also essentially legitimized anime as an actual art form outside of Japan.
Actually, adaptations of Tezuka's work did it, not Miyazaki.
>>155596388
>What hypocrisy?
see >>155593717
>Because I like some things he was involved with, this doesn't mean I'm deeply interested in some personal opinions he has.
Then why are you defending him?
>>155596657
No, Tezuka literally created manga and anime as we know.
>>155596657
Astro Boy was hardly known as legitimate "ART" in outside of Japan though. It was a kid's show. C'mon now.
>>155596212
>he's not fucking
He can't draw is what you're saying?
>>155596413
Toes generally come in fives.
>>155596481
>I thought we were talking about the industry
Disney is the industry
>>155596614
>No, lets show him a creepy animation.
It was a base model meant to demonstrate how something can crawl. It's about how it works, not how pretty it is. Do you know nothing about how modelling software works? Do you even know what machine learning is?
If not you would be just as ignorant as Miyazaki.
>And they did?
They're fucking funding Miyazaki's shitty caterpillar movie. The animators all came from a project (Anno's Animator Expo) that was also funded by Dwango.
>>155596767
>He can't draw
Why are you arguing about your subjective opinion as if it's objective fact?
>>155596665
>see
I don't see how that's hypocrisy. He earned those things from producing widely acclaimed material for decades.
>Then why are you defending him?
I made this reply >>155595973 simply because I thought it was funny that /a/ reacts the same way that he does. If I'm defending him, it is probably justified.
>>155596648
Being an animator and being a director are very different things. Guess who has more power and control in that situation.
>Future Boy Conan was JUST as influential as Heidi
Wrong, FBC was overshadowed by a little-known series running around the same time known as Mobile Suit Gundam. Ever heard of it?
>>155596817
>knowing how to draw is subjective
Yeah that's why Hitler failed art school and why there are things called art schools right? Jesus man you might be on to something here.
>>155596915
Art is subjective you fucking moron.
>>155596908
FBC deserved every overshadowing it got.
>>155596907
>He earned those things from producing widely acclaimed material for decades.
So making a few popular works in an ivory tower gives him the right to spout delusional claims?
>If I'm defending him, it is probably justified.
The only thing being justified is your own ignorance of who Miyazaki really is just to fuel your own fanboyism.
>>155596817
Art is objective. Take your entartete kunst filth mindset somewhere else.
Nothing of note.
>>155596942
Knowing how to draw isn't. That's why there's things called art schools, something Miyazaki never went to. The same with knowing how to operate a machine and how to play an instrument. All objective. There's guides written for them. There's tutorials on them. If you can't comprehend this it's clear you can't comprehend a movie complexer than Miyazaki movies that are for children.
>can't draw
>>155596780
It still crawled like shit, instead of going for how something would crawl naturally they show something crawling in a unnatural way. Everyone know that it's easier make something move like whatever instead of moving like it should.
>They're fucking funding Miyazaki's shitty caterpillar movie
So because they gave him money he has no right to criticize their job?
>>155597077
Why do those skull head things float in midair?
>>155596702
AstroBoy is one of the works that defined what anime is. Without it there would be no standard for Miyazaki to follow and make his fame.
A kid's show? Yes, but also what defined the industry.
>>155597077
>>155589969
>but you'd better show some goddamn respect.
heh faggot
>>155597147
>but also what defined the industry.
That's literally not what we were talking about in the first place though. Fucking go back and read my original post.
>>155596978
>So making a few popular works in an ivory tower gives him the right to spout delusional claims?
See: >>155589969
>fuel your own fanboyism
I'm no fanboy. I try and view the world in an unbiased state. It is yourself who is blindly on the attack. The artist should be judged on their achievements, which Miyazaki unquestionably has a high amount of. That's not an opinion on me being a fanboy. It's a fact.
>>155597024
>That's why there's things called art schools, something Miyazaki never went to.
Did they even have art schools specializing in animation in Japan back then?
>>155597190
????????????
>>155597113
>It still crawled like shit
And you have professional experience to back up this claim how?
>Everyone know that it's easier make something move like whatever instead of moving like it should.
So you admit you have literally no idea what the fuck machine learning is and are just spouting bullshit to defend Miyazaki's own ignorance.
>So because they gave him money he has no right to criticize their job?
He didn't criticize them or their work, he threw a diva tantrum because he literally got triggered because of his own personal issues.
And no, it's generally not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you. Had any other director done it they would have lost all their funding.
>>155597210
???????
>>155597236
??????
>>155597203
As far I know, they had to go to other countries in order to learn it back then.
>>155597248
????????
>>155597266
???????
anon I'm waiting for you to show me how to draw
>>155597285
?????????
>>155597202
>I'm no fanboy, I just believe he's one of the greatest directors who ever lived and everyone should worship him despite how utterly terrible of a human being he is
Textbook definition of a fanboy right there. You aren't helping your case.
>>155597299
??????
>>155597321
???????
>>155597339
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>>155597236
>nausicaa butt
>>155597190
>that perspective in the second panel
Ouch, hitler would turn in his grave if he was caught making simple mistakes like that. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at.
>>155597255
Well, there you go then.
Personally, I hate the "you have to go to art school to know what good drawings are" attitude. It basically shits all over people who cannot afford to go to one.
>>155597414
>retarded Nausicaafag.
I don't know who that is, but thanks for the link to that thread. I didn't know /m/ had Nausicaa threads.
>>155597203
I said nothing about his animation. I said something about his drawing skills.
>>155597405
>hitler
Why do you keep bringing up Hitler? Also, wasn't hitler cremated? I don't think he can turn.
>>155597494
Because Hitler was in art-school. Do you seriously not know anything about history either? No wonder you know nothing about art.
>>155597439
>I don't know who that is
Oh-kay buddy. Just letting you know that spamming Nausicaa eveywhere over the course of two days doesn't make you very convincing.
>>155597526
>Because Hitler was in art-school.
Is Hitler seriously the only artist you know that went to art school, anon? Jesus christ.
>>155597534
I don't though. TO be honest that's not me, but if you want to think it's me I have no problem with it because I do think that manga is very good.
>>155597526
Also what's up with the comparison of Miyazaki to Hitler?
Seriously?Maybe Miyazaki really did kill millions.
>>155597526
hitler was rejected from art school...?
>improved anime
How can anyone like this worthless hack?
>>155597614
read >>>155597526
>>155597553
No? But admittedly it's the only artist I knew that went to art-school and is actually a bad artist.
>>155597629
Why did you think he started ww2?
>>155597653
So Hitler wasn't in art school. Maybe you should read some history before telling other people to.
>>155597553
I'm pretty sure that Hitler actually never went to art school and they basically fucked him over because his paintings weren't good enough for them.
Which I never understood personally. I mean, if you're already great at painting, what's the fucking point of spending money on a school? They won't have anything to teach you except how to be a pretentious faggot.
>>155597675
>muh revisionist history
I'm not even wrong but you understand Miyazaki's point now don't you? He's not a good artist but he's great at making money.
>>155597653
>and is actually a bad artist
I mean he did have quite decent technique though, he was rejected from art school because his style was plain, and mostly focused on dull compositions in the landscape setting.
>>155597737
>He's not a good artist
Again we're back to subjective opinions that are not fact.
>>155597737
Are you a literal retard? Hitler never attended an art school. And Miyazaki is a good artist, go read the nausicaa manga. Are you going to accuse Miyazaki of being a jew next or something?
>>155596212
>He's not fucking Rembrandt, anon.
Then maybe he should. Might actually catch some artistic skills from the moneyshot.
>>155597767
>>155597743
He literally can't draw.
>>155597776
>go read a shitty black and white manga with a shitty one-dimensional self-insert written by the grand pedo Miyazaki himself
How about I don't?
>>155597166
Let me just say this, Miyazaki so famous art only became known to the world after he released Nausicaa and he only got famous to the world after he relesead Spirited Away.
Tezuka's art however was known even before both were released and it was the definition of what anime art is.
So, as I pointed out, without adaptations of Tezuka's work, Miyazaki wouldn't get any chance to show off his works to the world.
Miyazaki isn't the one who got anime recognized into art, it was Tezuka.
>>155597825
We're talking about anime, not 17th century Dutch art.
>>155597838
There's no use replying to you anymore anon. You have an irrational hatred for Miyazaki. But that's literally only your opinion so it can't be cured.
>>155597846
You're right, we're talking about anime. So how is it that the "talentless studio hacks" that he despises so much actually understand simple things like shading while he apparently doesn't?
Maybe he should try fucking more than just Rembrandt?
>>155597838
You must have some sort of learning disability, because first you accuse someone of not knowing their history and then saying that Hitler went to art school when he never did, and then you say Miyazaki can't draw when objectively his drawing fundamentals are excellent.
>>155588578
Not much besides the works he and his companies have made.
From how outspoken he is, I'm surprised he hasn't opened an art/animation school to teach newer generations.
>>155597899
>hate
Why would I hate someone? That's a stupid thing to do. Is your vocabulary so lacking you don't know the difference between hating a person and disliking his poorly written trash fics? Or do you think I hate him because I objectively classified him as a pedo? Something universally known?
>>155597951
>Something universally known?
OK anon, that's not true, but good night.
>>155597949
>I'm surprised he hasn't opened an art/animation school to teach newer generations.
Of course he hasn't. You actually think he gives a shit about raising the next generation. Fuck no. This is the guy who worked his supposed successor to death and sabotaged his own son's movie. And now nobody is even left in his studio.
Miyazaki is just an old selfish fuck who wants to remain at the top of the food chain so that he has the freedom to shit talk everyone else.
>>155597946
>drawing fundamentals
>excellent
>>155598000
>that's not true
what is?
>>155597949
>I'm surprised he hasn't opened an art/animation school to teach newer generations.
People who worked under him said that he was a great person, but can't teach in any given level.
>>155588578
Made good movies that didn't have to rely on pandering to the lowest denominator.
>>155597838
>shitty black and white manga with a shitty one-dimensional self-insert written by the grand pedo Miyazaki himself
Have you even watched anything he's actually directed, or wrote?
I don't think you can be a credible source of information if you can't cite specific scenes/films/manga and then give your opinion. You're just shouting "he sucks!" and that's not going to convince anyone.
>>155598049
>People who worked under him said that he was a great person
Is that why they all left Ghibli to form Ponoc where they would be free from his dictatorship?
>>155598004
He did open an animation school teaching people how to be a director, he did it along with Takahata for a year or two before it was shut it down.
>>155598097
Why do you care so much about shitty animators who worked under him?
Are you one of them or something?
>>155598089
>if i can just bait him into saying something subjective enough to attack, i can create an argument that i actually have a chance of winning
Not him, but does this ever work?
>>155598097
They left because Ghibli wasn't producing films anymore and they are animators who wants to be employed.
>>155598098
>he did something that amounted to nothing
Great, that only further backs up my claim.
>>155598147
>bait
>implying
This fool has been complaining this entire thread subjectively though.
I'm just refocusing the argument so maybe he can become aware of himself.
>>155598097
It was a just a polite way of saying he's a shitty person with lots of knowledge.
>>155598185
Okay. Just makes you look really asshurt and desperate, though.
>>155598135
>Why do you care so much about shitty animators who worked under him?
Because they're the ones who physically make his movie, dumbshit.
>they are animators who wants to be employed
They could have went to any other studio, but instead gathered each other up and created a whole new studio where they kept the trademark Ghibli style, with the only difference being no Miyazaki to boss them around.
The story writes itself.
>>155598089
>Have you even watched anything he's actually directed, or wrote?
Sure I have. Nadia is extremely one dimensional. The villains are inconsistent in terms of budget and motives. The 4/5 year old girl is only with nerd and nadia to make the audience care for this unrealistic romance, nadia is an annoying cunt and has zero chemistry with our insert nerd-4eyes. All the characters on board feel like tools to move forward the plot.
But I can say this about literally every Miyazaki movie and be right, also the mascot character served no purpose other than to put his balls on the camera to pander to some degenerate animal fuckers out there.
>>155588578
Tell someone you like totoro. He made it so you can at least pretend anime isn't mostly stupid shit people would give you second looks for.
>>155598241
> Nadia
Are you on a ruse cruise?
>>155598241
>Nadia
It's funny because he literally had nothing to do with that series besides creating the initial concept.
>>155598228
It's like you're creating some sort of delusional alternate history. Hiromasha Yonebayashi and Yoshioka Nishimura created the new studio, other animators presumably joined them because they're familiar with working in that style and they've already been working together. It has nothing to do with no Miyazaki being there to boss them around, you have literally zero evidence for the claims you are making.
>>155598299
>>155598293
>had literally nothing to do with it aside from creating it
Okay, conan then. Extremely trashy movie, villains are one-dimensional, shitty self insert romance plot.
Now what do I get. Because I can literally say the same about every miyazaki show
>>155598228
>they're the ones who physically make his movie
The ones who can't handle it are replacable though. Miyazaki on the other hand, is not.
Also, there's tons of animators who've worked under Miyazaki and are famous for it. I.e. Ohira, Anno etc.
>>155594437
>Nothing I can say except I completely disagree with you
That doesn't really work when he listed off instances of Miyazaki being a dick.
>>155598348
> The ones who can't handle it are replacable though
Because Miyazaki's fucking work process makes them so by suppressing most individual talent or style.
>Ohira
Great example right there.
>>155598389
Except he's not a dick. It's just a matter of interpretation. I know the examples he's talking about and I don't think there's anything dickish about them. When it comes down to making judgements on someones personality there's no objectivity to it.
>>155598334
>It has nothing to do with no Miyazaki being there to boss them around, you have literally zero evidence for the claims you are making.
Go look up that French article where Yonebayashi flat-out rejected an art piece Miyazaki handed to them for a pier in Marnie. They were very proud of rejecting him.
In fact, why did they never invite him to their studio, despite having all the resources for it?
Once again, the story writes itself.
>>155598342
>Okay, conan then. Extremely trashy movie
> movie
You're on a roll with this shit, man.
>>155598472
>Except he's not a dick. It's just a matter of interpretation.
Spoken like a true battered housewife.
>>155598506
So I messed up the terms. Does that invalidate the post? Not that I care anymore. If you don't want to refute it it's fine.
>>155598473
>>In fact, why did they never invite him to their studio, despite having all the resources for it?
Maybe because he was supposed to be retired.
>>155598473
Why did they not invite Miyazaki? Because he was fucking retired, that's why. I haven't read that French article but in the behind the scenes documentary for Marnie Yonebayashi talked about how he didn't want to rely on Miyazaki's guidance so he could grow as an artist. It's like you have a grudge against Miyazaki for some reason, there's no point talking to someone who just completely twists everything to fit their narrative and is not charitable at all.
>>155598539
I don't even understand what you are trying to get at. I have no relationship with Miyazaki at all except watching his films. I think your viewpoint is valid, and I can understand why you don't like Miyazaki or think that he's a bad person, but why are you completely incapable of understanding that not everyone sees him the same way? This isn't a math problem, when you're looking at the character of a human being you're going to get different opinions.
>>155598573
>>155598577
>Maybe because he was supposed to be retired.
Hahahahaha
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39079342/studio-ghibli-founder-hayao-miyazaki-comes-out-of-retirement
>>155598543
Nigga, you already invalidated yourself with that Nadia post. Why should anyone take you seriously when you cannot get basic fucking facts right?
>>155598682
Yes, and that was AFTER studio ponoc was founded. Much after, in fact, their Mary movie has in development for a while. You can't except anyone to take you seriously when you just keep ignoring the facts time after time.
>>155598715
Nadia wasn't good so how was it invalidated? Because I cared more about the actual product than who took the credit? Because Miyazaki was responsible for it in the end as-well.
But I said I don't care, it's fine if you don't want to refute some thing. But you don't have to make up reasons.
>>155598632
You blindly worship him, and don't deny it.
I hate any and all fanboys of any franchise, especially delusional retards like you who have to cover your ears whenever something obviously bad about Miyazaki comes up, no matter how true it is
>but it's not true
It is. His quotes are all real. You can redefine their context all you want, but at the end of the day, anyone who isn't a blind fanboy will see him for the delusional asshole that he is.
>>155598747
So how many of these animators stuck with Miyazaki to even work on his caterpillar movie then?
Not a single one. All the caterpillar animators came from Anno's Animator Expo.
>>155598750
How the fuck is Miyazaki responsible for something that he had absolutely no say in the creation of, even his original concept was changed by Anno for nadia. You're the one making things up out of thin air, you still haven't addressed how you said that Hitler went to art school when he never did.
>>155598747
Is it weird that I actually enjoyed that Marnie movie? It still got that Miyazaki after-taste but it felt actually somewhat good.
>>155598809
His caterpillar movie is CGI. He has a CGI team working on it, as seen in the latest NHK documentary. Why would he have 2D animators working on a CGI film?
>>155598810
That doesn't impact my review on Nadia whatsoever. I didn't like it regardless of who took the blame. I tend to watch things before I look into who directed it. Shocker I know.
>>155598835
He was drawing 2D scenes in that documentary too, dumbfuck, and so were some others in the background.
Nobody wants to work with Miyazaki from his old studio. It's pretty telling when his AD now works for Shinkai.
>>155598771
I'm not a fanboy at all, I simply recognize the humanity of Miyazaki who has made mistakes but is overall a good person in my opinion. Neither of us can ever know for sure, unless we knew him in real life. There's nothing obviously bad about the things he has said, in fact I agree with most of what he has said, so just like I said before it's just a matter of interpretation that's all. Miyazaki hasn't committed some sort of heinous crime or anything, there's no argument to be made that he's objectively a terrible person. Just like any other person they have bad and good qualities.
>>155598940
>there's no argument to be made that he's objectively a terrible person.
Guy who abandoned his wife and kids to the point where his wife had to quit his job, and when his son grows up he proceeds to sabotage his work because he sees him as a "competitor".
And that's just one of the many stories.
If you think Miyazaki is a good person and worthy role model, then you are beyond salvation.
>>155598869
It's likely that some of the people working on 2D in the background were former animators. There's nothing telling about the fact that Masashi Ando works for Shinkai other than that he wants to be employed. Yes, I'm sure that NOBODY wants to work with Miyazaki except for the fact that people worked with him for literally 50 years.
>>155598848
You are an absolute fucking idiot. When you are attacking the body of work of a specific person, checking whether they actually made the final product you are complaining about absolutely does matter.
>>155599001
Yes Miyazaki is a good person and I am beyond salvation. It's all true. Thank you for telling me the truth.
>>155599042
I don't like any of Miyazaki's works including, not lot limited to Nadia's Blue Water
>>155599036
>It's likely that some of the people working on 2D in the background were former animators.
Nope, check the credits. They're all from the same team as the young guy with the ponytail.
And here's the thing- they're all YOUNG. No 50-year old Ghibli alumni there.
>>155599001
>If you think Miyazaki is a good person and worthy role model, then you are beyond salvation.
Who the fuck even cares about his personal shit. I just liked some of his movies.
>>155599100
>who even cares lol
Not the greatest argument
>>155599080
Not many people flaunt themselves as being happy to be a degenerate, but whatever. You've embarrassed yourself enough in this thread as it is.
>>155599113
Except you already got destroyed with the facts so now you have to attack him personally. Just fuck off
>>155599158
>Except you already got destroyed with the facts
The facts are that he shittalks everyone better and worse than him and is a massive hypocrite who abandoned his family.
The quality of his works has no bearing on what an absolutely piece of shit person he is.
>>155599158
I'm not the guy you responded to. It's just not the greatest comeback of all time.
>>155599136
Yes, Miyazaki is a filthy degenerate untermensch who creates entartete kunst. He's no Riefenstahl, that's for sure.
>>155599209
Not even the same argument. Has your little pea brain caught up with you and now you can't sort out what your point even was?
I'll save you the trouble: Miyazaki is a dick, and that's a fact.
>>155599270
First, please explain how Miyazaki abandoned his family (he didn't) and then explain how he sthittalks everyone (he doesn't). I'm not even the biggest fan of Miyazaki, I think publishing a takedown of Tezuka right after he died is a rude thing to do among other things that Miyazaki has done, but he is in no way objectively a dick. he's just a flawed person like everyone else who has lived a long fruitful life and during the course did both great things and bad things. Were you by any chance not hired by Miyazaki at Ghibli or something, because there's no other reason to have such a grievance against him.
>>155599381
>First, please explain how Miyazaki abandoned his family (he didn't)
Ask his son.
www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/earthsea/blog/blog39.html
>explain how he sthittalks everyone (he doesn't)
I love how you mentioned him shit talking Tezuka immediately afterward. Anyway, you can look up his shit talk and rants on others like the Fleischer brothers, Walt Disney, Oshii, and especially Takahata.
Not to mention his various dumb remarks from everything ranging from comparing iPhones to masturbation, approving ISIS's actions in Paris, sabotaging his son's movie, and so on.
Miyazaki is a piece of shit. You don't need to work under him to know that, and I love how you're trying to say that I worked under him because you know that those who work with him hated his guts.
>>155596908
And Gundam was overshadowed by Anne of Green Gables, at least in ratings.
Just read this whole thread, I feel like I have a hangover. I hope this isn't what the onset of an autism contagion feels like.
>>155599697
>Anne of Green Gables
You mean the anime where Miyazaki quit midway as an animator?
Also, whether you like it or not MSG is more famous in Japan than anything Miyazaki has ever done.
>>155596908
> Wrong, FBC was overshadowed by a little-known series running around the same time known as Mobile Suit Gundam. Ever heard of it?
What the fuck does that have to do with Future Boy Conan and Heidi?
>>155588578
Besides the fact that a great animator/director improves the industry just by existing within it, he was also an authorial voice on Horus, and later Lupin and WMT, all early works of modern anime which helped to shape it into the unique subset of world animation we know today. He was a co-founder of Studio Ghibli, which, besides being world-renowned, was also a much better work environment than most other animation studios. There are some cool interviews you can read where he talks in depth about the building design, and how it was meant to support its animators. It's also cool that anyone who worked there, young or old, was invited to share and present design ideas for films. His movies themselves are worth noting too, as they raised the bar for animated film in Japan and inspired a load of people, both artistically, and through the values they represent. I'm sure there's a lot to be said, but I'm hardly an expert on his career or anything.
>>155599558
Whatever, there's no convincing anyone here so I won't respond again. Basically this argument comes down whether you agree with miyazaki or not and whether you like his movies. I agree with his rants and opinions so I don't think there's anything dumb about them. I think his movies are great so while I don't idolize him I'm more charitable towards viewing Miyazaki in a more positive light, while you dislike his movies and will be more inclined to view his actions negatively.
>>155588578
>Making anime the same way he make 50 years ago
>Call every new technology a shit.
He just a garbage who actually make anime industry stagnant.
>>155600086
Conan wasn't influential in the slightest.
>>155600159
>they raised the bar for animated film in Japan and inspired a load of people, both artistically, and through the values they represent.
>through the values they represent
Go fucking kill yourself. With any luck Miyazaki will do that for me, just like he did with Kondo.
>>155600324
Do you think no one was inspired by them?
>>155600196
>I agree with his rants and opinions
Like I said, you're a fucking idiot cocksucking fanboy. Don't know why you're so proud of yourself.
>>155600358
Nothing in the current anime industry represents his values you goddamn moron.
Jesus christ, take Miyazaki's cock out of your mouth.
>>155600303
I'm asking why you brought up a show totally unrelated to what that anon was comparing.
>>155600402
Conan was not influential because it aired around the same time as Gundam.
If you can't into basic logic I don't know what to tell you.
>>155600396
Maybe not, but that isn't what I said or meant to imply. Just that there are folks out there who admire him and consider him an influence.
>>155600444
>Just that there are folks out there who admire him and consider him an influence.
Yes, for every ten people out there who have even a slightest shred of common sense and know an asshole when they see one, there will always be at least one retard like you who enjoys being a battered housewife.
A big reason many people here don't like Miyazaki is because his fanboys are all mindless and delusional drones like you.
>>155600430
>Conan was not influential because it aired around the same time as Gundam.
It aired it's entirety a full year before Mobile Suit Gundam, stupid.
>>155600570
That doesn't disprove my statement. The timespan of one year (more likely a few months) is totally insignificant.
And what shows since have been influenced by Conan?
>>155600505
You have to admit you're in the minority though. He's admired throughout the entire world by people who make animation. In France him and takahata are practically worshipped. You'd have more people agreeing with you if you weren't so vitriolic and willing to admit the validity of other people's views.
>>155600600
I'm not even disagreeing that Gundam is more influential, I'm just pointing out that your comparison is based on the false assumption that they were airing at the same time and therefore in direct competition with each other for ratings. They weren't.
>>155600639
>He's admired throughout the entire world by people who make animation.
In Japan none of his practices are standard in any part of animation, and many animators and directors strive not to be as much of a controlling freak as he is, nevermind his personal problems.
>In France
What the fuck does that matter, you delusional baguette? Your little country buys up everything on anime and manga anyway.
>>155600725
I'm saying that his work was hugely influential and inspirational for an entire generation of animators throughout the entire world, not necessarily his practices.
>>155600670
Gundam's popularity crushed any that of Future Boy Conan's because they aired around the same time. The span of less than 1 year of airing apart makes no difference.
To this day Conan has inspired absolutely nothing while Gundam has countless knockoffs.
>>155600725
>In Japan none of his practices are standard in any part of animation
Because anime is literally the fast food of animation. You don't expect an expensive restaurant to follow the same standards as mcdonalds do you?
>>155600796
>throughout the entire world
Hilarious, considering most 2D animation is dead in the world outside of Japan, where even Miyazaki has little to no influence in their actual animation industry.
Miyazaki would be nothing to them if his work wasn't shown to the world by Disney anyway.
>>155600830
Then you agree with me that Miyazaki's influence in the industry is nil?
He's an airhead in an ivory tower. Cold hard facts that only the most delusional fanboys would deny.
>>155600830
>You don't expect an expensive restaurant to follow the same standards as mcdonalds do you?
Judging by how much Miyazaki bitches and whines about it in his relation to anime, I think he does. Or at least he does to inflate his ego.
>>155600907
You twist the narrative into a negative light because you just fucking hate him for some reason. It has nothing to do with the practices of making an animated movie for the purpose of visual stimulation vs shitting out your next harem cash grab just to bait my penis.
>>155600970
He bitches and whines because there hasn't been a
>>155600907
Makoto Shinkai's favorite anime is Castle in the Sky. Masaaki Yuasa's favorite anime The Castle of Cagliostro.
>>155601034
>You twist the narrative into a negative light
Whether you like it or not, Miyazaki's quotes are all out there in the open, and I have nothing to do with those. Those demented and delusional statements he makes are his own words. You're even more stupid if you agree with such rubbish.
>He bitches and whines because
Because it's what he's always done ever since the fucking 60s. Seriously, go look up his quotes. Miyazaki shits on others work just to inflate his own ego.
He has no successors for his studio, is in awful terms with his own family, and has had zero influence on the anime industry. These are all facts, not some biased opinion. If you can't accept it, then you admit to staying delusional.
>>155600817
>Gundam's popularity crushed any that of Future Boy Conan's because they aired around the same time. The span of less than 1 year of airing apart makes no difference.
Yes, it absolutely does make a difference. I mean a currently airing anime is more popular than one that finished airing a year before? Wow, fucking amazing.
Also, this may shock you, but Gundam was not actually all that popular on it's initial broadcast. It wasn't until after it got cancelled and aired in reruns before it caught on.
>>155601088
What movie has Shinkai made that is anything like Castle in the Sky? Likewise with Shinkai and Cagliostro?
Liking something is not the same as being influenced by it.
Wait, why do we care about someone who RETIRED?
He is no longer part of the industry.
>>155601161
>I mean a currently airing anime is more popular than one that finished airing a year before? Wow, fucking amazing.
Wow, you're retarded. Geass and Gurren Lagann aired a year apart and GL certainly didn't invalidate Geass's popularity. Same can't be said for Conan and MSG.
>Gundam was not actually all that popular on it's initial broadcast.
And yet today it still remains a million times more popular and well known than Conan. Funny how things work, huh?
>>155601134
He has zero influence on anime because the "industry" just cannot change, there's no market for it. japs just don't care enough about anime as a serious visual medium.
>>155601265
There's no "because".
He has no influence on the industry yet whines about it non-stop like everyone has the same luxury he does, decades on end. He's a hypocrite.
>>155601241
>Wow, you're retarded.
Yeah, you know what. I give up. You're way too fucking stupid to continue arguing with.
Have a nice day, faggot.
>>155601325
>I give up
Good, wouldn't want to see you embarrass yourself any further,
>>155601312
He whines because he really fucking loves anime but sadly they will always be weird fetish cartoons that only air at night.
>>155601365
>he really fucking loves anime
HAHAHAHA
>sadly they will always be weird fetish cartoons that only air at night
That's not how they were in the 60s, yet he still bitched about them then. And onto the 70s and 80s and modern day.
>>155601312
Generations of children who've grown up from the 80's and onwards till today have been inspired by his work and gone on to work in the anime industry. How is that not influential? Not to mention the countless other anime directors who have been inspired by his work Mamoru Hosoda, Makoto Shinkai, Masaaki Yuasa, Hideaki Anno etc.
>>155601365
>weird fetish cartoons
sounds like a typical Miyazaki movie
>>155601454
Ok, I admit this was creepy.
>>155601437
Dumb idiot.
Just because they like his work does not make him influential. Nothing about what he does- his animation style, techniques, designs, or even paying his employees a salary- has ever been a standard for anime. Many of those people you listed also had much bigger influences that got them into anime than Miyazaki, like the works of Go Nagai for Anno and Yuasa.
Miyazaki is nothing in the anime industry.
>/a/ - Anime Industry Experts
Never gets old.
>>155601534
I'm sorry mate, but you're clearly the delusional one here. You're literally the only one that thinks these things and nothing you have said corresponds to the reality of how miyazaki is viewed, you just have some sort of weird autistic obsession with discounting anything miyazaki has ever done, you remind me of that famicom guy who's obsessed with TMS.
>>155601622
This. The entire thread is arguing with one person.
>>155588578
Can we atleast agree that Miyazaki makes really cute girls?
>>155589416
Why waste your time making your own figurine with hard work and your own paint-job when you can simply spend money to buy a figurine that already comes pre-painted, is made at a high quality and really detailed?
After all, one earns money to buy other things so that one doesn't need to waste time making that other stuff, and to still have time for other social activities, like a somewhat normal life, exercising, or even having sex.
Such is our hedonistic society. Let creativity and passion be the domain of makers who want to earn money. I am satisfied with enjoying that creator's output in a physical form that I can own, shallow as it might be.
>>155601622
>You're literally the only one that thinks these things and nothing you have said corresponds to the reality of how miyazaki is viewed
Considering this thread has 57 posters, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.
The reality of Miyazaki is that while people like his movies, not many people like working with him, his practices are rarely if ever used in the anime industry, and he only became popular in the west thanks to Disney. The man himself has a poor relationship with his family, and is generally a terrible person who says many nonsensical and hypocritical statements.
None of the above is biased or incorrect in any way whatsoever. You overestimate Miyazaki's influence, and have yet to understand that popular =/= influential. Miyazaki is successful explicitly because the practices he does cannot be done normally by the anime industry.
>>155601826
She is plain. Cute, sure. Really cute? Nah.
Have some TRUE cuteness.
>>155601850
>Such is our hedonistic society.
This is why I hate Miyazakifags. Stop projecting your shitty philosophy onto him just because of your own lack of success.
>>155596086
Isn't it funny how for a long time, otaku defined themselves as those that aren't like the sararimen-drones slaving away at companies with no dreams and aspirations, being only content with working and having no other interesting hobbies?
Nowadays, animators are nothing more but drone otaku slaving away in anime studios with no dreams and aspirations churning out dozens of anime shows like factory workers at a conveyor belt.
They're all the same people now. But at least they get to pretend that they're doing it for the art and the passion, while being irrelevant no-names.
>>155601961
Nah, working in the anime industry has always been shit. Producers have always told directors and animators what to make. Literally nothing has changed.
The above is Miyazaki's actual opinion, so don't even think about disputing it.
Miyazaki shit talks anime makers even though his garbage only became popular due to the luxury of a large budget.
>>155602004
Forgot to add, tight schedules and no cash, mo proper organization or training.
Part of the reason why Kyoani is so revered despite the mediocre content of their shows is because their logistics is the best in all of Japan's anime studios.
>>155602014
I would suggest that other anime makers ought to somehow get a bigger budget in that case by building up a respectable reputation.
>>155602040
>get a bigger budget in that case by building up a respectable reputation
So you have no idea how either the anime or film industry works. Are you by any chance the delusional Miyazakifag as well?
>>155601235
Can he even retire?
>>155601933
I am quite happy with owning things instead of going around creating things.
Anime just isn't the place to go to for artistic expression or talent because they refuse to fucking use it or compensate accordingly.
>>155590301
Help, police, I've been trolled
>>155602066
You'll never know if I am your arch-enemy, the Miyazaki-fag, since I am as anonymous as you. Heck, for all everyone knows, you might in fact be the Miyazaki-fag replying to yourself. But let me pretend that I am him so that you can give me more (You)s in your anger.
>>155588578
kill it with him.
>>155602157
It doesn't really matter if you're him or not, I just remarked that because only someone as delusional as him would make such an idiotic comment. Congratulations on accepting the title of being a fucking moron, I guess?
>>155602095
The workers in the anime industry are compensated adequately. They deserve their low pay.
>>155602214
If it didn't matter, then why ask in the first place?
>>155601961
The anime industry was always cheap and soulsucking. Most otaku didn't realize this until they actually joined it themselves.
The problem is that they're the ones who really need to be complaining about how things are run, but they don't because complaining when someone throws you a raw deal and you're on the the lower end of the rung is not a very Japanese thing to do.
>>155590847
>Most children's anime are just shounen battle anime, or something to sell a toy
As it ought to be. When I was a little brat, I always wanted a bunch of cool stuff that I saw on TV.
>>155601826
She looks as non-insulting as you can get. In terms of commercial plainness that's as deep as you can sink.
>>155602123
That drawing has no shading, no proper anatomy and the same face issue plaguing literally all Miyazaki's works.
>>155602427
It's easier to beg gaijins for some spare changes to finance a dorm than to go to your boss and ask if working conditions could be improved.
>>155592116
>focus primarily on the complaints about how cheaply made and consumerist anime is and has been since the 60s
These complaints honestly annoy me quite a bit in their own right, because he seems both really dismissive of the different styles of directing that the limited animation model has given rise to, and also almost deliberately obtuse about the reasons for that model - he talks as though works are low-budget because their creators said "Nah, fuck good animation, why would I like that?", and not because that's the key to the industry functioning and to his own higher-budget niche being able to develop/flourish.
ITT: People get butthurt because they know he is right
>>155588578
He actually organised the abduction of thirty five overweight otaku and dropped them in the middle of the ocean.
>>155605853
No wonder the BD sales of anime discs dropped down by 35%.
>>155601872
>his practices are rarely if ever used in the anime industry
Because his films were fucking expensive, perhaps?
>>155601534
$1200 a month is not a normal salary, you need at least $2000 a month to live a actual life.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/japans-animation-industry-isnt-just-tough-its-illegally-harsh-110074.html
Miyazaki is a great MOVIE director who actually understands the language of cinema unlike 99% of other anime "directors". His movies could be put in two categories:
>nature
>flying
themed with Wind Rises being the inbetween of those themes.
>>155588578
huh?
>>155601166
A lot of things influence an artist, but that doesn't limit him to only drawing like his influences. He has developed his own style, and no doubt his favorite anime has played a role in that even if the stuff he makes isn't the same and looks different.
>>155610122
It is a simple question.
>>155607937
Flying nature is a great description. Even the pig flies.
>>155606596
So why is he bitching about other studios if they don't have his money then?
Wish he can just fuck off already
>>155615601
>why is he bitching about other studios
Is he?
>>155588578
nothing, really. he's made a bunch of dry, mostly boring films. he's still better than Isao Takahata though, that guy is fucking awful
>>155588578
Meh, I grew up watching his movies so I'm biased
>>155619626
Who here didn't?
>>155619626
>>155621508
I didn't grow up on him at all, I just watched shounen shit on Toonami. I remember going to see Spirited Away at the theatre and enjoying it but the next Ghibli movie I picked up was Castle in the Sky and that was when I was like 20 years old. Then I watched the rest out of curiosity.
>>155590866
Porco Rosso isn't too kiddie and I actually had experience playing it in front of many people, the adults thought it was funny and enjoyable. Princess Mononoke is supposed to be more mature but I honestly found that one trying a little too hard to be edgy with all the demonic stuff and heads being shot off.
>>155619626
>>155621508
So you haven't rewatched them in recent years is what you're basically saying.
>>155622184
Edge =/= mature
>>155622228
This is why I said it's "supposed" to be "more mature", but really in the same sense that a game would be rated M or T. It's not really suitable for kids, but not necessarily a fully-formed mature piece of work either.
If we're gonna debate how mature his films are, I'd say it's either Spirited Away because it has a much deeper message about child trafficking, or The Wind Rises because it deals with war, romance and other adult-y stuff. As far as family movies go Porco Rosso does the best job of combining child themes and "magic" with elements of humor or peril that an adult could also enjoy. That's not to say all the other films are bad, but I don't really see many people enjoying most Ghibli things outside of people who already enjoy general anime and its related themes and tropes.
>>155622625
>The Wind Rises because it deals with war, romance and other adult-y stuff
Sorry, but it's not about what topics that make a movie mature, it's how they handle them. If it's just one-sided propaganda it's a children's movie. If it deals with more than one side, and has either convincing arguments or no propaganda then it's a mature movie.
>>155622751
But how is The Wind Rises one-sided propaganda?
>there are unironic maturefags on /a/
How angry do you think he is that Your Name blew his shit out the water?
Since you know, He thinks
modern anime is all shit and stuff.
He's a westaboo.
>>155623046
plotwise Your Name is more similar to western romcoms than anime. That's probably the reason why anime fans never realized how many cliches from western romcoms it really has and how destructive they are to the rest of the story when you are aware of them.
>>155623085
How?
>>155623046
The only thing better would be if a moe harem blew him the fuck out. Then maybe all the
>muh adult themes
retards would fuck off
>>155602092
I highly doubt you feel any sort of accomplishment when looking at your bookshelf filled to the brim with figurines
>>155624069
Why does he need accomplishment to be happy though?
>>155623382
He really liked Moebius, but that's about it.
>>155624233
I know he likes folks like Frederic Back and the Fleischers, but I dunno if that's really being a westaboo. His movies are super Japanese.