What's the deepest anime you've ever watched?
Le portrait de Petit Cossette
I didn't like it much
>>155576486
Nisekoi.
Where the fuck is Cat Soup?
Unironically Inferno Cop.
I'm still trying to make sense of the last episode.
>>155576486
Tex.
>>155576486
Shit list. All my friends watched Dead Leaves because of FLCL.
Also >>155576619
>>155576486
I watched all of Meitantei Conan in a single sitting.
This is the most transcendental anime experience imaginable.
>>155576486
>milky holmes
>deeper than aria
>evangelion (or rebuilds)
>anything but miyazaki tier deep
>>155576486
Inferno Cop
Disregarding that, Landarzt. What do I win?
Kemono Friends
>>155576486
TTGL
>>155579211
Deep on that list? Infernocop.
If it's on CR it ain't deep bro.
>>155576486
>Paranoia Agent, featured on Adult Swim is deeper than Lain
>>155576486
>Fate/Zero is "/a/ elitist"
>>155579330
While the list is quite silly in any case, I'd actually hazard and say that Lain may be more well known. It has a status of being "that one really weird and trippy anime" that gets name dropped often.
madoka (if you didn't watch the movies obviously) is pretty deep
>>155579454
The series that foreshadows 11 episodes out of 12 is 'deep'?
surprised, actually
hope this isn't bait
>>155579600
>depth is a measure of how many times the story surprises the audience
madoka had that down pretty well too actually, certainly a-head of some other shows I know
>>155579670
>Not watching Infernocop
probably cat soup
Mars of Destruction
On this list the deeper I've ever got its Texnholyze
>>155579690
Madoka (the TV broadcast) fails the basics of story-telling by spoiling the entire audience.
The movies are much better, but even then it's hardly deep, it's just relatable it has interesting dialogue and characters. I'm not trying to shit on it or anything. But I certainly would never recommend to anyone see the TV show over the movies.
>ahead of other shows
It depends on if a show tries to be deep or not. Most shows aren't trying so obviously Madoka is deeper than most shows.
Haibane Renmei.
Watch the OP reversed.
>Macross and Gundam entry-levels
>Higher than NGE
>Higher than fucking TTGL
What?
Anyway there's not nearly enough anime in there, try this one. GaoGaiGar is as deep as I go.
>>155579794
>Watch the OP reversed
Done, now what?
>>155576486
>>Menemosyne that low
I don't get why its that low but sure, whatever works
>>155579731
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Infernocop is shitposting in anime format.
>>155579779
Skipping the original TV broadcast is like watching the LOGH gaiden movies and then never touching the rest of the franchise.
>Madoka (the TV broadcast) fails the basics of story-telling by spoiling the entire audience.
Not really. Using foreshadowing as a hook to get and keep the audience interested is different from literally spoiling the entire show. I don't know any point in the show where they directly spoil an event before it happens. It takes until episode 10 before they start directly explaining everything that's going on and until then, while the audience has hunches, especially if the watcher has been on /a/ to see stuff about madoka in its threads, nothing is ever spoiled.
>It depends on if a show tries to be deep or not. Most shows aren't trying so obviously Madoka is deeper than most shows.that was an old as shit meme about mami's fate
>>155579885
I ain't your mother, senpai. Just do whatever the fuck you want now.
>>155579937
>skipping the original tv broadcast
Considering the movies are everything the tv broadcast offers and more, it's not comparable at all.
>Logh
speaking of failing story telling basics
>using foreshadowing as a hook
I know the commercial reason why they did it. But it being a commercially smart move to do so doesn't mean it isn't a failure by storytelling standards.
>it's different from literally spoiling everything
Well no shit, still they spoiled the big twist.
>I don't know any point in the show where they directly spoil an event before it happens
Spoiling is spoiling. There's no ifs or buts about it.
>nothing is ever spoiled until episode 10 when they show the thing they showed in the first episode
I really don't think you know what spoiling means.
>>155576486
>What's the deepest anime you've ever watched?
Inferno cop is the best anime ever made.
>>155580034
tell him to post anime tiddies anon
>cowboy beebop and Evangelion above naruto and one piece.
I mean, CB and Eva are common entry points, but above fucking naruto and op?
>>155579303
Inferno Cop is on Crunchyroll too...
>>155579808
>Jojo used to be around tier 3
Exactly how did it took off that much?
>>155579808
On this list Jin-Roh and Planetes are my lowest. I wouldn't have thought Planetes to be quite that low though.
>>155580686
Memes are the only reason people watch anime nowadays.
>>155580691
These deepness lists are dumb anyway.
While some titles are definitely more likely to come up as introductions, people have different preferences and they'll look for the things they suspect they'll enjoy even if they're not "into" anime yet, or they get recommendations from a variety of sources that have their own recommendations.
FINDS
>>155576486
I'm a mature person with mature tastes!
Though I have seen Inferno Cop but I don't think that alone bumps me like three levels
>>155579808
>EoE is several tiers bellow NGE
>EoE is bellow than the rebirths.
How the fuck the person making this list can fuck up the basics that much?
>>155581044
not him, but hows that wrong? Forcing yourself through the objectively better movies after the snorefest that is NGE takes away from the entry tier.
>>155576486
How do you differentiate deep and pretentious?
>>155581266
Those things are polar opposites.
these lists are made by people above the surface imaging what is below them
don't think about them too much
Irony and self awareness being the pinnacle of writing, without a doubt Inferno Cop.
I like those lists because i get to compare US common animes to the animes aired in my country back them.
For example, one of the deepest i watched in this list >>155579808 was sakura cardcaptor, that used to air in my country when i was 5 and was relatively known.
Meanwhile, i would have never heard about other much more well know animes like evangelion and TTGL without the internet, as those werent available where i live.
>>155581266
The chart is about obscurity and accessibility, not thematic deepness.
Though watching obscure stuff and pretentiousness certainly often overlap.
>>155581331
No, the image is actually pretty accurate. But continue spouting vague shit without backing up what's actually wrong with it because that will help everyone
>>155576486
Alien 9 fucked my day up and I felt horrible by watching that. It's disturbing as hell.
Fire Punch.
>>155581397
>>155581331
Can you people please use proper grammar?
Also, whatever dubbed censored shit you watched doesn't mean shit, it's probably even more entry-tier because of how censored it was.
>>155576486
Does Mononoke mean that Ghibli film? If so, that.
>>155576486
As for Ghibli, Spirited Away and Totoro are hella deep when you are redpilled on thatSatsuke and Mei die in the middle of the filmand SA is about child prostitution.
What do I do, if I unironically enjoyed Malice Doll, Belladonna, the country doctor, Dead Leaves and my buttocks almost gave in from joy when I searched for "Kyougoku Natsuhiko: Kousetsu Hyaku Monogatari" and Cossette, since I never heard of them before?
Fuck, I wish there was more of those, I can't get enough of unconventional animation, like La planete Sauvage, Gandahar and Midori shoujo Tsubaki.
>>155576572
It's not deep at all. It's just pretentious.
>>155581684
It means Mononoke, look it up.
>>155581732
dead leaves is retarded
>>155581732
It means you enjoy animation for the sake of animation.
>>155581913
And also really fun.
>>155581988
If he enjoyed animation for the sake of animation he wouldn't enjoy Dead Leaves. And he would've listed Redline.
I also enjoyed DL but the animation is on par with TV animation. You can like stuff that isn't deep, if it doesn't try to be.
Gankutsuothough probably not
>>155582120
But those titles were in relation to the deep end of OP's chart.
One can enjoy all kinds of animation, whether really good or not particularly if it's creative or interesting in some way. Dead Leaves mightn't look more impressive than a tv anime but if you enjoy Imaishi's style there's not much reason not to like it.
Midori is practically nothing but stills save for the morphing scene.
>>155576486
>inferno cop
No wonder I dropped it halfway into the second episode, I am not nearly that level yet.
I havent seen all that much anime, and I love Monoke and Mushishi. Dont really understand what you mean by "deep", how is generic ecchi deep?
I guess maybe natsume yuujinchou? If we're just talking about emotionally deep.
Ghost Slide
It doesn't exist and there will never exist an anime deeper than Evangelion, never
>>155582538
Is this how women think about anime?
>>155576486
What's the most pretentious anime you have ever watched?
>>155581764
It didn't feel deep to me but rather more like cultural circlejerk
>>155579808
there is no Initial D on the list.. do you even watch anime bro?
>>155576486
I'm like 99% sure everyone on /a/ has seen both keit-ai and inferno cop
>>155579808
Red is all seen, yellow is partly seen.
>>155579808
Tier 6: Obscure experimental pieces.
>>155576486
It's not on here but probably Koi Kaze
>>155583614
Out of all those, I haven't watched only Hanabe. I don't know why. I want to. One day.
>Angel Egg
>elitist
This so much. It's fucking shit. Only good for signaling.
>>155583614
EVA or Ergo definitely. Considering Ergo isn't a harem I'd say EVA beats it.
Lain isn't as much pretentious as it's just aesthetically pleasing.
>>155576486
Mad Bull 34
What I've seen
Fushigi no Umi no Nadia is pretty DEEP
>>155576486
Inferno Cop.
It's honestly pretty fucking normie though, not impressive.
>>155585457
The whole island arc could be removed and the show would be better off
>>155585349
Why do people start rating when they don't have any leverage? You need at least several 100s of unrated anime before I can take your ratings seriously.
>>155585349
>TV:20
>>155583614
the soul taker, no doubt about it.
>>155576486
Keit-ai of course.
Master of Martial Hearts
Samflam
>>155576486
inferno cop, kek'd at it's level,
>>155583614
well, im not an elitist, but ghost in the shell is a "for posterity" tier anime. even more than akira
>>155579808
pls no bully about the amount of unfinished shows. Sometimes I get distracted and want to move onto something else.Which is why I don't have a waifu
>>155576486
Ironically Inferno Cop
>Waizardo Tier
I fuckin' love Millennium Actress.
>>155576486
>Keit-Ai
>highest grossing anime film of all time
>obscure
what?
>>155587684
Hideaki Anno's student films. Projected from film.
>>155576486
>mfw I've seen Gothicmade
I'm way further down the abyss than your pic, fempai
>>155579808
G-Reco and Brigadoon are the most obscure for me. Feels weird seeing G-Reco that high, but I can see it falling into obscurity as time goes on since it didn't get anywhere near as much fuss as Build Fighters or IBO.
>>155583894
Yes there is. Look carefully.
>>155579808
>My Little Witch Academia that low
you know that it is practically an anime for kids?
>>155588731
close but it's actually an anime for children, specifically, manchildren
>>155582538
>code geass, clannad, overlord, and TTGL above SAO
into the trash it goes
>>155581579
Alien 9 was one of the most unsettling manga I've read and I don't even know why, it's not even that graphic with its violence or extreme with its themes.
>>155576486
Belladonna. Didn't watch it until the end though.
I'm not sure it qualifies as animation either. It's all watercolor slides and sometimes there's an abstract rape animation loop. Feels more like I'm looking at an art experiment.
>>155589299
>manga
Missing out man, that's like saying you read the K-On manga.
>>155576486
>angel's egg
>>155576572
I thought it was good until halfway through. So she was just some guys imaginary painting creation that was inhibiting the portrait, or am I thinking of something else?
On this chart? Colorful. But I wouldn't say it is deep or inaccessible at all. It was just about a dead kid who goes back to Earth. That's it. Is there another Colorful out there?
In case there's another Colorful out there, then my deepest anime is Texnolyze or Time of Eve both of which sucked.
Millennium Actress was amazing though, thats the deepest anime on this chart which I actually enjoyed (aside from the Colorful film if that is what this chart is referring to).
>>155582538
>Spider Riders
Shit that takes me back.
>>155581266
most people think pretentiousness is any show that has too much ambiguity, I think pretentiousness is when a show won't let anything be ambiguous and needs to patronize you.
>>155581266
pretentious: excessive name dropping without showing understanding, or setting up serious themes that are hopelessly under-developed
>>155585349
I don't care about rating shows, but i kind of regret not writing down what I've watched.
Now i have a huge backlog i never add/remove from because there's always something in my head i can watch next.
>>155576572
Not deep, but still good.
>>155579808
>Lupin THAT low
>>155591165
all of these lists are made by /a/ memers trying to make their favorites look good
>>155579756
>>155576619
its below the bottom of the list
>>155581732
agreed as fuck. start checking out shorts, theres some really good ones. including very very short shorts. plus then youll also be bottom of tier 6 in >>155579808
also if you havent seen any russian animation, some of it is really cool.
>>155583614
>>155585155
eva for sure, but eva also manages to turn the pretentiousness into something fun and in my opinion the show benefits highly from total bullshit like all the scattered bible stuff.
>>155591878
I always thought EVA was good because it turns it's own pretentiousness out at the viewer instead of wallowing in it.
>>155591878
I think the fun is slightly lost because the show takes itself seriously. You take a show like Soul Taker which is an EVA parody and it becomes extremely hilarious.
>>155591878
the show is simultaneously extremely good and full of shit, that's why it's so memorable
>>155591948
parody is for cowards. take it seriously or don't bother
>>155591985
>parody is for cowards
I disagree. Parody is amazing when you can convince people it's actually a serious show until half way in when they realize it's just a parody. Self-parodies are also amazing. One Piece is the most famous example of a parody manga that people take seriously.
The issue with taking it seriously is that it wouldn't make EVA look better.
>>155579808
>There are people on this board right now who aren't at least Tier 5.
>There are people here who don't watch anime before 2000
>There are people here who think Astro Boy was the first anime
>There are people who don't recognize anime or people on this list.
Feels bad.
how deep is "songs of the years of fire"?
>>155581732
They're enjoyable watches and you shouldn't feel bad because some retard on 4chan can slap a label on you.
>>155576486
Is Ninja Slayer down at Inferno Cop tier?
>>155592670
There's a thread on /a/ right now about a guy watching One Piece (the anime) on Youtube.
>>155593872I watched Serial Experiments Lain on Youtube.
>>155576486
Belladona was a hoot.
>>155593990
But Lain is levels above the One Piece anime and I'm sure that you didn't make a thread about how great Lain on Youtube is.
>>155594027
The orgy scene is probably one of my favorite anime scenes of all time.
is blue 6 deep ?
>>155583614
Monster is considered 'pretentious'?
Wasnt planning on watching but now I am interested.
>>155579808
I somehow don't feel like patting myself on the back for watching Nurse Angel Ririka SOS and Body Jack.
>>155576486
Slice of Life in general.
>>155579808
>Yu Yu Hakusho is mid-Tier 4
kek
>>155583614
Chika Gentou Gekiga: Shoujo Tsubaki
>>155583614
haibane renmei is a sol it isnt pretentious
>>155594165
The one with the village, or the one in hell?
Of the ones I can find online, these are probably the most "da fuq you talkin about" shows I can mention. There also a few more that are so rare you literally won't find them online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmBOfLDVKWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp9rXsHzCTs
>>155595837
it had symbolism and ambiguity so it's pretentious
>>155595851
Village
>>155595888
Beats me, captain ocho. I got dis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVu-acHlpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShzmzcJM7QI
>>155576486
>one person made this list
kek nice meme for the kids OP
>>155594315
No, but Blue Submarine No. 6 is!
>>155589979
Fuck yeah Angel's Egg was awesome.
I feel like colorful was criminally underrated, I have no idea why that film do not get more attention. I personally adored the movie.
>>155576486
Inferno Cop.
>>155595962
Haibane's symbolism and ambiguity were be both directly capitalized upon within the narrative, and this on multiple levels.
What is it supposed to be then, an actual good show people always criticize for the wrong reasons?
>>155599304
I'm kind of confused on what you are saying here, but for clarity's sake, I was making fun of people who don't like Haibane.
>>155576486
Aren't the things towards the bottom shorts, impossible to get and basically things someone made in their basement?
I'm sure there's a shitload of stuff people have made for themselves only and not released/advertised to the general public, so where is the general cut off line for the deep end? Shouldn't it be for stuff that had some level of advertisement/ease of access? There's got to be some place out there for arthouse animation.
>>155599459
New things are always on someone's website these days.
>>155583614
Maybe something from regular muh-deep-and-mature-titles newfaggotry times. I just watch anime for fun and don't look too deep into it. May be EP - shallow and bland title that pretend to be something else.
>>155576486
Popotan should make infernocop company
>>155590934
So, Haibane Renmei?
>>155583614
Didnt hate the show, but Casshern sins is quite close for me. It has substance for sure, and has some beautiful moments. But in the later part it seems like the same questions are being raised repeatedly without any siginificant escalation, both in terms of the plot and the topic at hand. 'Trying really hard to make u think' kind of show.
>>155600622
I already made fun of you guys in this thread.
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139
>>155600741
I would be careful with Casshern. Considering it stars machines regular rules shouldn't apply to analyze the behavioursfunny how this show recently resurfaced in connection to Nier Automata
>>155576486
Kung Fu Love was good.
>>155577315
>I watched all of Meitantei Conan in a single sitting.
But it's literally more than a month of screentime
I did binge too but I also slept every night
>>155591878
Could someone explain what was pretentious about Eva? It did not come off in that manner to me, pretentiousness is a subjective thing in fiction, it's about what you take away from something or how pushy you think it is.
>>155585349
>love 79
>hate Z
>love ZZ
>like 83
>actually watch and like 79 movies
I simply do not comprehend this list. Can only assume it's made for trolling.
>>155601808
Probably due to the fact there was a bunch of religious iconography and imagery yet the show's message has nothing to do with religion. Honestly though even if the theme was about lose of faith or something people would still call it pretentious because it had the nerves to not explain everything to the viewer.
>>155600622
Haibane is literally the only ABe anime that isn't that. At least this show has actual characters to illustrate its themes instead of having bricks that can't express more than 2 emotions correctly.
>>155601935
Don't take the bait. It's either a samefag or multiple faggots reposting, but that list gets posted in every single thread of this nature, and people give them (You)s every time.
http://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/Z_MT45FjvyTveWl2M3SmKg/
These results are only from the last few weeks because they changed the color of the image to throw people off, but it's been reposted for a while now.
I watch CGI Berserkunironically
>>155601983
Not hailing from any Ahbramic religions I saw the imagery but then noticed a mix of christian elements and jewish, so i could only assume they used it as a naming convention or a 'weird thing' to use as their basis for 'ancient lore'. It simply meant nothing to me, the same as how Japan and other creators take names/places/events people will recognize but don't actually follow through with historical accuracy. It's more like brand recognition tactics ("hey I know GitS is was a nice anime movie", but the US movie has nothing adequately in-common).
I've seen people mention the religon icons as why it's prentious before but simply cannot connect with those people because I don't know what they icons actually mean to them or the religions in general, I just know they exist.
>>155579914
you just have the shittiest taste
Turning Girls
>>155583614
Ergo Proxy. I enjoyed it, but the characters spent so much screentime just spouting on and on about the meaning on life, there were entire episodes with one-off characters that had no purpose but to put Vincent through a "what is the meaning of life?" sit-down psychology session
But, fans of eva are way worse so I'm going with that.
>>155576486
Ai Mai Mi
>>155579808
Tier 5, but only because of ZZ, watching Zambot 3 and plan to start Votoms after it.I study Japanese very erratically since I am not a NEET and I study English simultaneously
even if the list is pretty shit, i reply with Serial Experiment Lain. The most prophetic anime on the earth.
>>155576486
Unironically One Piece
According to that chart, Inferno Cop.
Otherwise, I watched that weird banned early 90s movie about an orphan girl living with a bunch of caravan ''entertainers''. It has also a scene where a dog gets crushed by getting stomped.
I always forget its name.
>>155576486
>deepest
Blue Sub No 6
>>155576486
i have hit all the tiers have left anime and now float through the primordial abyss that is manga
>>155602233
If I had shittaste I'd enjoy the shitpostings of Inferno Cop
>>155602827
Found it.
Chika Gentou Gekiga: Shoujo Tsubaki / Midori.
https://youtu.be/plWLib9iXX0
>>155579808
Colorful., I guess? I've also seen a couple of doujin anime, they're mostly just plain shitty though.
>>155591478
I actually had seen some, I'm from around middle eurofagia, so both polish, czech and russian shorts were easy to see during the 90's here. Then I moved to french, as soon as the internets were having those. I need to get through japanese shorts as well now, as apart from the young animator training project shorts (#1 and #2) I had not seen much.
>>155593267
I don't, never labeled anyone, nor I care for labels put on myself. I'll enjoy stuff I enjoy, it's really, really fun to discover some less known animation jewels.
>>155576486
Ebichu that low? It's a funny show not too weird
>>155581913
It's retarded fun.
It gets a little tiring pretty fast I'll give you that.
Can't think of anything that does non-stop action properly though.
>>155579808
I've watched a bunch of pre 60's stuff.
>>155576486
Suisei no Gargantia
Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water
Blue Submarine No. 6
>>155596369
Overshadowed by the superior 1999 short
>>155576486
Oreimo should be higher because it has achieved almost entry level garbage.
>>155602181
Anno drew from esoteric jewish mysticism to build around it. It's a thematic and visual design choice, not supposed to be taken literally, even if it explicitly names things like the Angels and Adam and Lilith and Dead Sea Scrolls etc.
>>155602181
they used christianity because not many people in japan know about it. anno said if he knew it would be so popular in the west then he wouldn't have used christianityeva is fake deep
>>155606383
rather, Evangelion's depth is not in biblical symbolism but in charachter dynamic
>>155593990But why? Good XDCC bot are a thing since atleast 15 years
>>155582538
>Akagi's match with Ichikawa and Urabe
>not deeper than EoE
it's like you guys (guys, right?) didn't even watch it
>>155608265
I don't doubt you, but I can't get into Akagi even though I like Fukumoto. Mahjong is too arcane.
>>155576486
けものフレンズ
ghost slide
>>155576486
i watched Tekkonkinkreet it's really good.
i love the artstyle.
I tryed Texhnolyze but i couldn't stand all the heavy breathing and dropped it
>>155609248
btw the chart is right i have no backlog
What score do I get for watching 1001 Nightswith a girl
That's gotta be worth something
>>155595408
I remember it starts off seriously enough, but once it starts trying to make a point it feels really contrived. Hard to say, the last time I actually watched it was on Sci-Fi Channel.
>>155583614
Utena
>>155583614
Ergo Proxy
There's nothing wrong with any other title in that list other than that they're the most common namedrops from "my taste > yours" people
>>155576486
Mahou Sensou
>>155576486
The deepest ones are Malice@Doll, Ein Landarzt, Inferno Cop and that Shinkai thing.
>>155579808
Genius Party and Ani*Kuri15 deep,I think there is still some hope for me[\spoiler]
Avatar
There are like 2 people who watched this shit I bet the other one is here too
>>155613577
Guess not.
>>155579808
That list is retarded, NHK is apparently more entry level than Initial D, and Serial Experiments Lain is apparently more entry level than Ippo
>>155581266
Deep: 12 episodes on a single idea
Pretentious: 12 different ideas every episode
>>155583614
Penguindrum
It was a good show but pretentious as fuck
>>155616227
>Serial Experiments Lain is apparently more entry level than Ippo
My sorority girl step sister watched Lain of her own accord
It's certainly more complicated but also much more well known.
>>155581266
Pretentious doesn't mean anything anymore other than "I didn't understand" or "I wasn't interested"
>>155590934
What the hell is a name dropping?
>>155579808
It's weird how cleanly it stops at a certain point
>>155616227
You have to have autism to watch Initial D.
>>155600622
There's no name dropping in HR, everything set up in HR is concluded by the end.
>>155616301
by that do you mean a bunch of unrelated ideas all caught up in one connected plotline, or do episodic shows like Kino's Journey get a pass since each episode has it's own plot?
>>155618051
He means absolutely no thematic direction. Pretentious implies poor execution or poor capacities.
>>155616724
Tier 5 is pretty much just /m/
>>155613577
So anyone understand how time travel works in this shown ? I couldn't understand shit, it was 6d chess for me
Inferno Cop
Taking out the meme, Texhnolyze
>>155618852
Not a bad thing.
>>155576486
It is missing a whole category. Neither of Kurau Phantom Memory, Voices of a Distant Star, Ergo Proxy, Mermaid Forest and Vampire Princess Miyu are there.
>>155576486
>>155583614
Is it possible for a show to be both deep and pretentious? Because under the thick layer of bullshit Monogatari throws at you, there are some really interesting things they do with it.
>>155583614
NHK ni yokouso shouldn't be on this list
>>155579808
Similar to that other guy, I used Red for "High Familiarity/Finished the show" and Yellow for "Some Familiarity/Did not finish the show"
I'm amused how evenly distributed I am on this chart.
>>155621900
You're going to have to clarify what you mean by pretentious because it's been so misused at this point it's lost any meaning for actual discussion.
>>155584992
You've seen all pre-1960s anime? And all short films and music videos?
>>155622234
Shafter does some effects that can be used to adding to a character's development. Like the water during this scene. Water is often used as a way of conveying a baptism or something similar for a character. The person undergoes some kind of change that has a huge impact on their lives. The person who went into the water is not the same person who came out of it.
However, a lot of the times Shaft likes to uses similar effects that, at least to me, seem like their just trying to make shit look cool and has no actual meaaning.
no objection permitted
>>155579779
Does the Odyssey fail the basics of story-telling? It 'spoils' many events that have yet to happen.
>>155623222
>everyone dies
>oh no wait haha they're fine
Waste of trips desu
>>155622765
I don't know what actual effects you're talking about, and I don't know the intentions behind any given effect Shat uses in the series, but I want to spout two uneducated opinions from my armchair here:
1) Alot of what monogatari does seems like to me to be intended to set a mood or give a feeling rather than be a metaphor in the strictest sense. Take, for example, the scene with the rooftop confrontation in Kizu 2. As they zoom up to the rooftop of the school, they zoom past an innumerable number of floors. This isn't literal; they don't go to school in an actual skyscraper, and it's not some dystopian future where the one school needs to house tens of thousands of students. It's not really a metaphor either; they're not trying to say anything about reaching the heights of education or the perils of being a modern student. They just want to give you a sense of "high up". And a great and--in my opinion--extremely clever way to do this is to just show a billion floors underneath them as the camera pans up. It's the same sort of goal as when the camera shows the ground behind a character out of focus, then zooms the focus to the ground, and then back to the character. It's meant to give a sense of height and a sense of peril, and I think it not only accomplishes that well, it accomplishes it in a very interesting way. They do this same thing with the flowers on the roof in Kyo and the first scene with Crab falling in Bake.
This type of visual hyperbole is one of the main things that really hooked me about Monogatari early on, and I think a lot of the things they do aren't really empty flash, but mood-setting things like this. Same idea with the flashing of the colors and what have you.
2) Looking cool is substance, too.
t. pretentious uneducated fanboy
>>155580558
That's what he was saying, dumbass.
Tekkonkinkreet is my lowest.
It was a really odd movie if I'm remembering it correctly, It wasn't bad though, I should rewatch it someday
>>155623509
Fair point. How the series is perceived does depend the narrator. The feel of the show change depending on whether the narrator is Araragi, Senjougahara, Hanekawa, Kanbaru, etc. It's entirely subjective. Those multiples camera angles can be used as showing what that person is specifically focusing on.
Like you said with the rooftop. The height may be exaggerated to convey the feeling of being super high up and cause more tension.
And that's one of the thing I really like about the show. It's stay trues to its name and is always telling a "story" (monogatari). And how a story is told depends entirely on the narrator. Two people can watch the same thing and report completely different details from what they watched. Instead of being about "the supernatural events surrounding this town," it's more like "what Araragi/someone else saw." It's like getting a witness testimony rather than just being shown a list of events. And since witness testimony isn't always reliable, it leaves room for the viewer to make their own conclusions, which can create a discussion.
>Looking cool is substance too
I can accept this since it allows me to like the show even more than I already do.
>>155623509
>>155624532
I would like the show more if there wasn't a patronizing fanservice scene for every cool moment. That's REALLY what I think is the pretentious part about monogatari. It doesn't trust it's audience to pay attention without tits or ass on the screen.
>>155576486
Colorful.
pretty deep i guess
>>155624998
I'm not going to pretend like it isn't gratuitous, especially in Nise, but that's also seeing the story through Araragi's eyes. Particularly the short shots of cleavage or pulling hair behind the ear or what have you during dialogue. Not so much the scenes that were clearly entirely designed to titillate.
K on
>>155579779
>Madoka (the TV broadcast) fails the basics of story-telling by spoiling the entire audience.
>>155580101
>"Well no shit" onwards
You are the only person on the entire planet who thinks so.
>>155624998
Like >>155625234 said, since Araragi is almost always narrating, all the pervy scene can be explained by him being a perv and looking at it from his perspective. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't nearly as much attention to the fanservice when Araragi isn't the narrator. So while it may be off putting to some, at least you can make an argument as to why the fanservice gets so much detail, unlike 99.9% of other fanservice moments.
>>155579670
i'll join in on this one
>>155625234
>>155625432
While you're right it also happens when Araragi isn't present.
You can rationalize it all you want but the reality is that Shinbo is just shameless and knows what sells, and you know this too.
>NGE and EoE aren't the deepest
dropped
>>155625586
I haven't once claimed that wasn't true and I won't argue against it.
I just think he's a goddamn visionary director who is also shameless and knows what sells.
>Dead Leaves
Neat
>>155576486
outside of japan I would think Gundam is pretty niche
>>155625586
I don't mean to rationalize it at all. I'm just saying they have a convenient excuse for why there's no much fan service because Araragi is unquestionably a massive, unapologetic pervert.
>>155625802
Gundam Wing was my literal entry anime
>>155623243
How should I know?
>>155625391
Are you going anywhere with this?
>>155582538
red: watched
yellow: heard of
i wish the people here weren't such massive anime addicts and could have a subjective discussion on which animes are worthy exploring for their analysis on the human experience
i want stuff in the same vein of NGE but i know nothing will ever come close
>>155626744
>All those not heard of
Which board did you come from and why are you here?
>>155626926
>massive anime addicts
>which anime
you'd have an easier time finding something similar to NGE if you didn't limit yourself to just anime. I've heard NGE compared to Persona before (the Ingmar Bergman movie, not the game)
>>155579808
>tfw the deepest show I've seen is Bobobo
>>155576486
I have just finished watching the Keit-ai release on HD-DVD, where is the best place to leave my corpse? I want prople to learn the truth. I am already dead if that helps.
>>155579808
Near to the bottom because of Animator Expo.
>>155579808
where does onechan ga kita fit?
>>155576486
Berserk, Vagabond and Hunter x Hunter are literally better than anything in that damn stupid chart you've posted.
And lol at putting Hunter x Hunter on the same level with fucking Naruto and Bleach. Kill yourself... immediately.
>>155629407
It's not supposed to be measuring how good they are ya dingus
>>155583614
Lain.
>>155629746
This. Total shite.
>>155582538
>Cowboy Bebop and Eva not at the very top
>>155582538
>Koufuku Graffiti
Now there's a show I forgot that existed
>>155613577
I watched this loooong ago. Just because of that damn Swedish song associated with it.
>>155629680
Did you even read the tiers descriptions?
"Looking for something good but it needs to be popular
"You actually enjoy anime and have some kind sense of taste"
"Now you have mature taste for mature persons like you"
How is that not measuring?
>>155576486
On that list, Eve no Jikan.
But that show wasn't really all that good, honestly.
>>155583614
You are now realizing that anime is not a very deep medium. Go read a book.
Has anyone watched/know of the live-action version of Angel's Egg?
>watched like 40 episodes of Hikaru no Go
what a shitshow that was
>>155630872
Is that a real thing
What the fuck
Why
>>155616301
What about 24 different ideas in every episode?Zetsubou Sensei.
>>155630872
>>155633104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ZBzLLjCX4
Death note
>>155630016
I watched it because I though it was hentai
>>155576486
Flip Flappers
>>155576653
It's just an End of Evangelion parody.
>>155582538
>Little witch academia that low
it's literally on netflix
>>155579808
>implying pre-1960s anime is obscure
I guess you faggots haven't even seen 桃太郎 海の神兵.
Also, where do you search for college projects?
>>155630123
The tiers are based on how mainstream and deep the shows are, read the intro paragraph in the top-left. HxH is just as accessible as Naruto and Bleach.
Umaru-chan
>>155633667
So is Tweeny Witches but that sure as hell isn't mainstream.
>>155582538
>Spiders riders
made me spit my drink
>>155576486
>rftd
>ynnn
>totc
I fucking hate americans.
Redline
gundam and kenshin are not that mainstream
>>155582538
>Nickelodeon shows mixed with anime
>Cowboy Bebop not 1st tier
>Sailor moon and S that low
>Hikaru No Go not 1st tier
>>155581266
It's in the name, pretentious art for example is art that both took no effort to create and has no real message or impact, but people/the artist themselves pretend and try to make it seem like it's got more depth than it does. (The viewers are retarded but staring at a stripe on a canvas makes them feel smart, and the artist probably doesn't give a shit except how many hundreds of thousands of dollars he can sell the piece for if he throws enough pseudo-philosophical garbage into the description of the piece).
Deep art is something that the artist actually puts some effort and meaning into, people often pick up on similar meanings and it often survives beyond it's time, it is created not for a buck or to follow a trend but because the artist actually has a desire to create a thing that means something to him or herself and others.
>>155579808
>>155576486
Slice of Life is the best genre.
>>155640096
it is but the japanese are so terrible at it
>>155633517
It's not?
>>155576486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIOMLgaoyk
>>155590268
the other anime titled Colorful is an ova series about perverts trying to see women's underwear in public
>>155576486
inferno cop, technolyze
Damn you guys are dense.
Pretentious is giving the false appearance of intelligence or skill.
Depth is when meaning is hidden/obscure.
They often coincide, and both are usually terrible.
>>155630723
Implying reading some non-specific book is deep or educational
>>155632351
The manga was ok
>>155576486
considering half the anime I recommended AS/CN back in teh day in their "what do we get next?" temporary forum was accepted
I wont accept this list
>>155639535
>Cardcaptor Sakura Tier 4
Literally the 1st manga my mom ever found for me to read as a kid besides Yugioh
CCS is a masterpiece, but I always though it was like babby's first good manga since it was mine
>>155639535
>>155641586
Also
>bobobo that low
read that when I was 12 and normie friends know of it's existence
>>155641228
>things that are deep are usually terrible
Want to know how I know you're a brainlet
>>155582538
I'm have unlocked my brain i am the perfect human*
*I watched hibike euphonium
>>155576486
On that chart? Dead Leaves
>>155641731
Not gonna lie Hibike is my fav anime since band was so important to me in high school
>>155641819
>>155641821
I didn't even notice it on that list. Shit should be like 2nd tier
Is Kuuchuu Buranko on any list?
>>155576486
I watched all of the Inferno Cop but I still have no recollection about what I was watching. It was just a series of meaningless images.
Anohana
>sad=deep?
stop, just stop
NHK, Texhnolyze and Monster are pretty famous anime, they should be higher on your lists. Monster was shown in prime tv ffs
>>155641821
Smae
>>155640522
colorful ova is so fucking deep
>>155576486
King of the Hill
>>155627344
But everything is yellow?
>>155626926
>want stuff on the same vein as NGE
Look up the genre:Harem
>>155629407
>lol
Why are HxH fags so awful?
>>155641586
Considering this is an anime list, not a manga list and many people mistakenly watch the censored anime it's actually quite hard to obtain the jap dub of CCS (relatively speaking)
>>155626744
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, WHY DID YOU GO TO ALL THIS TROUBLE????????
>>155579432
it was also on G4 briefly, when they were doing their last gasp of "what do nerds like that we can actually make money on?"
>>155644217
To rustle you
>>155576486
probably FMAB in terms of the depth of experience it deals with, probably Macross (the original one) in terms of obscurity
Colorful was a complete life journey