Is ONE the most overrated mangaka atm?

>>155536633
decent writing but the art is a deadly sin
I'd say he's overrated, but probably not the most

He is the best comedy writer in Japan.
Not like anyone praises him for his art.

One of the promising new story writers. He's complete garbage at drawing though. The fact that OPM and MP100 are so good even withthe shitty art just shows how good he is at writing a compelling story, whether comedy or drama.

Yes, shit writing and shit drawing skill.
People only loved his shit because of cinderella effect.
Average people loves those rag to riches story because they hope that they can make it big too someday.

Murata ruined OPM.

>>155536688
>>155536772
>>155536828
Why is he so trash at drawing? I mean even fucking I can draw better.

>>155536870
Prove it. Post your work.

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>>155536633
That's still Urasawa followed by Togashi, but ONE is up there.

>>155536958
Can't even post your own drawing huh?

>>155537103
That is my drawing faggot. It even has a name, bold and brash.

He got lucky because Murata turned a meh series to above average.

>>155536633
I think he is rated fine

>>155536633
He's one of the few Japanese comedy writers that is actually funny.

>>155536688
>>155536870
This review of MP100 sums up most of my feelings about ONE's art well enough

https://youtu.be/eeSlvuDhC6A?t=810

>>155537131
More like it belongs in the trash

>>155537904
His way of speaking is not enjoyable. Like it excudes no authority on the topic.
Maybe hes transitioning from 1 accent to another, idk.

>>155537904
>>>/v/
Fuck off.

>Everytime OPM manga threads end there's always 2-3 who would win or bait threads like this

The answer is kill yourself

>>155536633
OPM is overrated, but MP100 is unironically the best shonen manga of this decade.

>>155536633
Only mob is overrated , opm and makai no ossan are good.

>>155537976
Har har har

>>155538511
So should I read or watch it? Even though they're always high quality, I get tired of waiting for new OPM chapters.

>>155536959
No

>>155536633
How do you even decide if something is rated sufficiently?
Does someone decide if an anime deserves X number of fans if it gets more than that it becomes over rated?
Or do people think their x/10 rating is objective and anything else makes it over or under rated?

>>155538864
It's a fucking bait thread, there is no logic here. Stop bumping it

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>>155536828
>He's complete garbage at drawing though

Apologize.

>>155538776
Both. Everything is pretty accurate after the first episode, they mix up the pacing slightly though which is actually done well

>>155538776

>not being an idort

>>155538910
Coz /a/ doesnt constantly talk about something being over/under/mediocrly -rated as if its not the most valid topic of discussion.

>>155538950
Cool. That'll give me something to work my way through for the next month. Thanks man.

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>>155537904
The anime looks fine enough
The art in the web comics is trash though. It's lazy and hasn't improved at all over the years even though he "practices".
You can write it off as his "style" all you want, but it's objectively amateur. No regards for technique or consistency.

>>155538864
>Or do people think their x/10 rating is objective Why the fuck would it have to be objective? What made you think "overrated" was itself not a subjective judgment?

>>155538996
And all of those are bait threads as well. You don't go to /a/ for meaningful discussion. Besides this have been the second day after the chapter was posted where OPM threads were spammed again

>>155539029
Oh yeah first episode is the weakest imo looks like an OPM reskin then

>>155539126
The purpose of art in manga isn't there solely to look pretty, there's no rule that says it has to look good at all. You could go back to the original Star Wars and comment on how the special effects are terrible and acting is amateur but the utility of what they had is still there.

The lack of consistency is pretty big bonus in terms of expressiveness. Unlike other styles where the artist is locked into drawing the same face from the same angle, ONE can tune the detail to match the tone and atmosphere.

>>155539139
>What made you think "overrated" was itself not a subjective judgment?
Whether something is over rated is based on your perception of other people's opinions.
The whole concept is ridiculous in the first place.

>>155539203
>You don't go to /a/ for meaningful discussion
why not?

>>155539562
Star wars was limited by the technology and budget. One is limited by his unwillingness to improve his art.

>Lack of consistency a bonus
No. You can definitely have expressive characters with plenty of life and personality that are drawn in a consistent style. If I was an aspiring professional cello player, and I never practiced but made the excuse that "my lack of technique and knowledge/grasp of music just adds to the expressiveness" I'd be laughed out of music. Of course there is art that is intentionally bad, jarring, childish, etc., but that is not the case for ONE, it is certainly just a lazy disregard for learning any technique or honing the skill his career depends on. Compare murata pages to ONE's pages. Murata does just as good a job at keeping the characters lively and expressive, but actually has good technical skills. If ONE had originally drawn OPM with the style and skill murata has, and some shmuck came and made one with ONE's artstyle later, it'd be lambasted as one of the worst derivative works of the century.

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>>155536870
Are you sure?

>>155539710
>Whether something is over rated is based on your perception
Yes, that's what subjective means.
>The whole concept is ridiculous in the first place.
How? It's literally just shorthand for "I don't think this series is as good as commonly said."

>>155536633
The most overrated mangaka atm has always been Miura.

>>155536839
only for the filler

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>>155539947

DELET THIS

>>155536633

Ishida, Horikoshi?

ITT: I don't like it, thus it's bad.

>>155539562
>The purpose of art in manga isn't there solely to look pretty
Sure, but that's a major help.

> there's no rule that says it has to look good at all
There's no rule that says anything has to be good, I guess.

>You could go back to the original Star Wars and comment on how the special effects are terrible and acting is amateur but the utility of what they had is still there.
What does that have to do with anything? The special effects and acting are still shit, just like the art is still shit.

> Unlike other styles where the artist is locked into drawing the same face from the same angle,
>the same face
That's literally just basic realism, anon. You can be plenty expressive with the same face, and you can also do off-model stuff without lacking fundamentals like ONE does.
>the same angle
That's got nothing to do with consistency.

>>155536633
He's great at composition, nearly togashi level so no.

>>155540062
>muh objective quality
No one cares.

>>155539710
It's a cesspool of degenerates and shitposters
>>155539954
>Filler meme
It's like you don't pay attention to anything that's happened

>>155540049
filter and ignore tripfags, anon

>>155540169
>>filler meme
What the fuck does "meme" even mean nowadays? It is literal filler.

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>>155536828
not always though.
he composition is real GOAT.

>>155536870
Some people are just not talented or extremely slow learners. He has gradually gotten better. You can't deny the fact that how he persevered despite not being good at drawing is something to be admired.

>>155540205
You think it's filler since you think you already know the events that are going to occur. But with all these new additions there's going to be changes to how the MA arc will go down, this is the new canon. Calling this filler is denying that everything that happened in this arc will hold no relevance out of it, which is already wrong. You also think Murata is still writing this so that just makes you retarded

>>155539872
>Star wars was limited by the technology and budget
These kinds of limits are what give birth to new forms of art all the time. the lack of technology and technique in 70's film making became it's own style. 8-bit art and music became hugely popular because despite coming from memory constraints. etc.

>but that is not the case for ONE
Well he drew MP100 in the same style with the help of assistants and it sold well enough to warrant an anime. OPM's original web comic got tens of thousands of readers before Murata touched it. ONE excels in creating manga even without the art, and that's all he set out to do. Even if you think his art is shit, you can instantly recognize his work while still telling a story, that's a pretty big feat in story telling and marketing if nothing else.

>>155540521
>you can instantly recognize his work while still telling a story, that's a pretty big feat
You what. That's an incredibly minor "feat."

>>155539929
>Yes, that's what subjective means.
Well you cut out the last part of my sentence. Basing an opinion on other people's opinions is ridiculous.

>How? It's literally just shorthand for "I don't think this series is as good as commonly said."
It's just not a very useful thing to say overall. If I'm deciding whether to watch a movie I'll read a few reviews. Reviews of those reviews aren't doing me any good, just say if you like the movie or not.

>>155540600
How many mangaka can you recognize from their art? I'd guess ten at most, ONE is one of them.

>>155536633
I like OPM and Mob Psycho 100. He's not an amazing author or anything but the stories are good. His art is horrendous.

>>155540656
>Well you cut out the last part of my sentence. Basing an opinion on other people's opinions is ridiculous.
No. Basing an opinion about X on other people's opinions about X (e.g. literally "it's bad because it's popular!") would be silly, sure, but that's not what "overrated" is, it's literally an opinion about their opinions, which is perfectly normal and everyone does all that time. When I call your opinion shit, that's an opinion about your opinion. Same here.

> If I'm deciding whether to watch a movie I'll read a few reviews. Reviews of those reviews aren't doing me any good, just say if you like the movie or not.
Again, that's not the situation here. What you're describing is the discussion of third-party opinions - if someone makes a thread about what reddit or some e-celeb thinks, then your criticism applies. Generally when someone says it's overrated, they're either addressing a vague audience that presumably includes those people who rate it very highly - making it a relevant point of discussion / contention - or are giving extra context to their own opinion about it by clarifying that they like it but not as much as many people do.

>>155536633
It's clearly Horikoshi.

>>155540710
> How many mangaka can you recognize from their art? I'd guess ten at most
If this is bait, it's pretty good, I'm mad. If not, fuck off and kill yourself, you casual shitter.

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>>155536919

>>155539918
yes

>>155540923
You're not suppose to leave /ic/

>>155539562
>ONE can tune the detail to match the tone and atmosphere.
like any average artist is able to do?

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>>155536633
>Onepiss still being made
Nope

>>155540882
list off ten mangaka with a distinctive style then.

>>155536870
>Gag manga
>Saitama doesn't care about anything
>Drawing looks lazy

Maybe that's why. It's supposed to be funny and I don't give a fuck kind of thing so he doesn't need to put any effort into it. That or he just sucks at drawing

>>155540992
Literally any shounen mangaka. You're just too dumb to realize the art style and thinks shit = more recognizable.

>>155540992
Asano
Adachi
Hagio Moto
Nihei
Takahashi Tsutomu
Takahashi Yousuke
Katou Shinkichi
Kuroda Iou
Dowman Sayman
Abe Youichi

>>155540710
I can recognize most mangaka I read by their art style.
There isn't some epidemic going on with generic art. plenty of mangaka have distinct artstyles.

>>155540710
>>155540992
>being this casual
Fuck it, I haven't seen /a/ do this in a while, it'll be more interesting than this thread:
http://hoxtranslations.blogspot.com/p/manga-quiz.html

>>155541169
>OFFICIAL BEST DOGAKOBO RANKING
Retard.

>>155536633
Nah. Nobody gives a fuck about Mob. It's just that OPM is really popular. Some people probably don't know those two are from the same person.

>>155536633
No? I mean, if we are talking precisely about ONE, then no, nobody gives a shit about him, manga threads barely get to the 20 posters and 100 replies, and that's in a good day, and outside /a/ it's even worse, the only reason Mob got popular was becaues "muh BONES" and Murata made OPM the success it is now, ONE was just a guy with a good idea, and that's it.

>>155541197
Yeah, I realized already, thanks.

>>155536633
Murata fixed his art, but nothing could be done about his inability to deliver humour.

>>155540710
Orimoto, Mimana
Miura, Kentarou
Mikamoto, Rei
Masuda, Eiji
Tsuruta, Kenji
Horikoshi, Kouhei
Sanbe, Kei
Hayashida, Q
Fujimoto, Tatsuki
Boichi
Itagaki, Keisuke
Oku, Hiroya
Furuya, Minoru
Murata, Yusuke
Shimura, Takako
Suzuki, Kenya
Takahashi, Rumiko
Yasohachi, Ryou
Hamada, Yoshikadu
Tanigawa, Nico

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>>155536633
One of the strongest points of ONE is composition.
His manga are easy to read and always flow beautifully, which makes you go by so many chapters without even realizing.
And though his art can be bad by objective standards, he really makes up for it with his visual charm imaginative ways to express emotion.
All these with his compelling storytelling and interesting characters make for a tread desu senpai.
Not rated high enough desu senpai

>>155541311
>using last name, first name for nip names
Why?

>>155541327
If that picture was supposed to be an example of creative emotional expression, then you did not do a very good job of proving your point.

>>155541401
I was copy pasting since I can't remember all their names correctly, can still recognize their art though.

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>>155541487
Duh, can't please the unwilling.

whole lot of butthurt /ic/fags in this thread. reminder that no matter how many hours you spend grinding fundies it doesn't mean shit and you will never make it as much as ONE did

>>155541718
>you will never be as successful as x so don't criticize x
Just because he was in the right place at the right time and had a decent story to tell doesn't mean he is a good artist.

>>155540710
God damn, you're dumb.

>>155540840
>or are giving extra context to their own opinion about it by clarifying that they like it but not as much as many people do.
people rarely use over rated as a term to expand on someone else's opinion. it's almost always used as a stand alone critique.

>>155542097
No, people say "it's overrated but still good" or "I like it, but it's definitely overrated," or stuff like that a lot, and that's the exact kind of usage I was describing.

>>155542156
>No, people say "it's overrated but still good" or "I like it, but it's definitely overrated,"
I have literally never seen these sentences on /a/ before.

>>155542156
People say [their opinion] + [something facetious that gives false credibility to their opinion]
Like "I love mlp but it got kinda shallow characters"

>>155542241
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/155365182/#q155375896
>I think Ghibli movies are overrated, but that doesn't mean they aren't still great.
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/155244210/#q155246650
> NGE is overrated but still pretty good
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/155150845/#q155185086
>it's overrated but it's decent entertainment nonetheless

>>155540710
I'd have a harder time thinking of mangaka you can't recognize from their artstyle. It's pretty hard for two people to draw exactly alike.

>>155536633
Its clearly Togashi.

ayyy lmao

>>155536959
>Urasawa
Please don't tell me your favorite mangaka is Miyazaki

>>155543761
I don't see the connection.

>>155543832
You have shit taste.

>>155543851
I still don't get it. There's not much connection between disliking Urasawa and liking Miyazaki. Did you just go with the first mangaka you don't like that came to mind, or what?

>>155543946
No, because you just clearly proved that you haven't read all of his works, and your new shows.

>>155544048
Alright, then.

>>155536870

>>>/ic/

You can tell more about your great skills there.

>>155544470
>you can't do x, so you cannot criticize x
Nice ad hominem.

>>155536633
Jealousy breeds success

>>155545172
say what?

>>155536633
It's clearly Miura

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>>155536633
>check OPM vol13 reviews on Amazon
>most helpful are "this is boring" and "where the fuck is Garou"
>Is ONE the most overrated mangaka atm?

Not sure about that anymore. ONE's currently digging his own grave.

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>>155548423
im worried for his mental health more than anything

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>>155548691
Stop posting that unholy abomination
>>155548423
You mean that one three review that's bitching about Garou not being there, yeah someone says that every volume. Plus the second most helpful is a 5, and all the others are fives as well
>ONE's currently digging his own grave
You'd think that only if you're stupid enough to think that one review will affect sales or is a unanimous thought

>>155541871
>h-h-he just got lucky!
Pathetic.

>>155541271
Redrawn fights and designs are cool, but he completely ruined gag part. It now feels extremely forced with his "heh heh let me draw Saitama in ONE's style here to indicate it's actually gag XD".

>>155549217
That aside can you tell me why you think he is a good artist?
Remember popular =/= technically good

>>155540491
Murata ruined OPM. Not because his redraws are bad. But because he's retarded fanboy.

Why the fuck wouldn't he let ONE draw normal storyboards? Have you seen them? ONE draws them like he would normally draw webcomic. It's way too much effort for a storyboard. That's the reason why we can't have new webcomic chapters.

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>>155548890
Volume's been out for a couple of days and most helpful - meaning, liked - comments on amazon are already dissing it anon. Stars are given out of courtesy by japs who're complaining in the actual message.

What a healthy trend.

>>155549791
Except it's only people who think that Murata is changing it, literally all the other ones are positive. It being the most liked means nothing in terms of actual thoughts on the arc
>>155549628
The fuck are you even on about

No, but you are a faggot OP