You know what i actually held out to the last couple of minutes that he was still alive. But damn i think the whole of anime was shocked at the ending.
So I heard the title of worst Gundam was just overtaken. Is that true?
>>155534455
I actually appreciate it that they didn't chicken out and gave us "the bad guy wins" finale.
Kinda refreshing.
Why did they try to pretend that "beam"spam wouldn't be happening?
>>155534477
I thought it was allright, it has pacing problems, but a lot of it will be negated since you can now binge the show.
I think people are just blowing it out of proportion.
It has some other problems too, but all in all I don't regret watching it.
>>155534579
/m/ has a thread about that.
Okada has released an interview and it seems like Nagai wanted to kill off all of tekkadan Kudes included and this was the best happy ending she could get.
>>155534477
well i think IBO was good, but not as good as it could have been. Sadly Gundam hasn't been good since Gundam Wing.
>>155534683
sad that he wanted to do that. But lets just face the facts, Mika would have never made a good parent, and most of the cast that was killed has murdered numerous people without much reason. So i guess justice and karma came back.
Why do masochists like this anime so much?
>>155534851
now i don't know about all that.
>>155534709
Gundam Wing was good, but not that good. At least not as good as 0079
>>155535139
>Wing was good
Stop
>>155535139
At least not as good as 0079
Honestly though I started going through the franchise because of IBO, but none of the shows I have seen up untill the first 2 episodes of Victory atleast, are as good as 0079.
Is there even a gundam that is as good as 0079.
People usually say zeta, but I didn't really like it and liked ZZ better.
>>155534455
Shit anime ends in a shit way
>>155534579
"bad guy"
>>155534709
>Sadly Gundam hasn't been good since Gundam Wing.
The very fact that you think Wing is good means nothing you say should be taken seriously
>>155534477
People only shit on it because they are upset it doesnt have beams, but they realize how petty and retarded that makes them sound so they wont admit it
>>155534477
Its a rough ride if you are a person who enjoys watching shows where things actually happen. The shows biggest problem is it took less than a seasons worth of actual plot and stretched it over 2 entire seasons.
>>155537092
>People only shit on it because they are upset it doesnt have beams
That's the least of it problems.
>>155537168
>Its a rough ride if you are a person who enjoys watching shows where things actually happen
Then don't watch this show because there's a huge stretch where nothing of interest actually happens.
>They planned to kill Kudelia
小川正和プロデューサーのインタビュー
あの結末はわれわれとしては想定どおりの形。
もっとひどい状態に追い込まれ、クーデリアも含めて全滅するラスト、という可能性もありました。
それが残り5話を前に改めて話し合い、シナリオを補正していきました。
──ラスト前にシナリオを変えた理由。
皆さんと同じように、われわれだってここまでともにしてきた愛着あるキャラが死んでしまうことにはためらいがあったんです。
つくっていて、決して楽な気分ではありませんでした。それと、岡田麿里さんからの意見もありました。
長井監督としては、鉄華団は仲間以外に対してひどいことをしてきた組織なので
その報いは受けるであろう、という考え方でした。
でも、岡田麿里さんは視聴者に対してここまで鉄華団に感情移入させといて
救いの一手もないまま終わらせるのはないと意見したんです。鉄華団が生きた証をちゃんと残してあげたいと。
最終的にその気持ちをくみ取って、最終回までの流れができたわけです。
──物語のきつさに心を痛めていたファンも多くいました。
「きつい」「苦しい」という反応があったのはもちろん把握していますが
劇中の痛みが伝わり、悲しんだり、悔しがったりしてもらえたということは
逆に言えば演出的にはうまくいったということだと思います。
ただあれでもかつてのガンダムシリーズの厳しい部分を見てきた監督にとっては
まだまだではないか?という感覚だったようなんですよ。
>>155534477
I didnt watch the last two episodes so its pretty good for me. Who ever wrote it needs to understand the concept of story progression and not killing off characters in the last episode.
>>155534477
I don't know if it's actually possible to intentionally make something worse than SEED.
>>155537499
And that's why I didn't, dropped it like a hot shit. But for resolution to my 3 ep rule and lurking, did MC leave a bunch of Orphans or the girls become eternal cakes?
>>155534477
It commits the biggest sin a Gundam series could make and that's not making care about your characters so by the time you reach the final stretch where they start to drop like flies you're left not caring. Also apparently not even the writer or director liked the characters since according to interviews all the endings they had planned had Tekkadan dying as payment for their "misdeeds", forgetting the fact that virtually every other faction in the show are considerable worse and you're not really given any leverage over who to side for, and where essentially they drew the line is with Kudelia dying. Galieo also survived because Okada loved his VA. Really the interview makes the show such an aimless wreck with Okada admitting that she had no actual plans for a S2 at all which shouldn't surprise anyone. Let's just hope they actually try with the next AU series who knows when since this year is nothing but UC wanking.
>>155537629
今回の物語はここで完結しますが、「鉄血のオルフェンズ」としては今後も何かできたらいいと思います。
本編では三日月たちのきつい最期をお見せしてしまったので、そのときは本編では描かれなかった
彼らの一面などをお見せできるようなものをお届けしたいですね。
This is from Newtype. Mikazuki was 2 and Orga 10 in the male ranking. Atra was 7, Kudelia didn't rank in female.
>>155537708
>did MC leave a bunch of Orphans or the girls become eternal cakes?
He knocks up the "loli" love interest and you see his son in the epilogue. As to how he did it with the majority of his body paralyzed from the waste down that's anyone's guess.
>>155537092
>People only shit on it because they are upset it doesn't have beams
The all melee idea they were working with would have been great if the vast majority of the fight choreography and animation wasn't such garbage.
>>155537816
They fucked around Barbatos, while he was still attached.
>>155537894
But it was fine.
>>155537168
I watched the first season all at once and I didn't have that feeling at all. I suspect when I binge rewatch S2 it won't either.
I will agree with you though, that week to week can be really boring since several episodes end as set ups for the next.
IBO was written as a tragedy with two acts.
Act 1 showed their rise, Act 2 showed their fall.
It's Macbeth with mobile suits and typical hammy Japanese writing.
She will have her revenge.
>>155537994
Is this the excuse you're going with?
>>155537629
They were going with tragic ending and kill everyone including Kudelia but changed their minds and rewrote the last 5 episodes.
>>155534477
Never listen to anything /m/ says.
>>155537016
you have your opinion and i have mine.
>>155534477
I rather enjoyed it, warts and all. I felt genuine anguish for several of the dead characters and I thought the first season actually had something interesting to say on child soldiers and the cruelty of war. The finales for both seasons were pretty strong I felt.
The OPs and EDs were all fantastic, with Orphans no Namida and Freesia being particularly haunting. The gundams they showed were fantastic, so much so that Barbatos is my favorite gundam (and he just arrived in the mail today).
>>155538160They did the same thing at the end of S1, at least for certain characters.
>>155537689
i actually thought the first SEED was pretty good.
>>155538137
It's pretty obvious. Read a book sometime.
>>155538160
They should have gone through with it. All of the characters people cared about besides Gaelio died anyways.
>>155538256
From what I read Nagai and Okada liked the acting of Ein and Gaelio's VAs (Ein voice sounding like the hero), that made them take a different turn for the characters.
>>155538435Ein wasn't in S2 though, not really.I meantLafter and Azeeanyway; that whole thing seemed like a last-minute asspull.
>>155537994
IBO's ending is way too happy to be considered anything like Macbeth also the rise and fall plot of this isn't even implemented since Tekkadan were entirely selfless in all their actions. What IBO is is just a series of fakeouts in a failed attempt to make you care about the cast as oppose to actually developing them. Its more like Rogue One if anything.
Your reaction to this image will tell you if you'll like IBO or not.
Okay can someone be real with me here?
Is there some thing were the latest gundam series is always the one that is hated the most?
Like were, 00, age, BF, Try and Greco considered the worst gundam shows in the franchise when it first aired or ended?
Wonder if mcgillis could've lived
>>155534477
Not really. G-Reco was terrible but still not as bas as 0083. Fuck Nina, seriously.
>>155538816
i enjoyed his death. wish it had been longer and much more miserable.
>>155538917
>>Is there some thing were the latest gundam series is always the one that is hated the most?
GBF was highly praised upon first release alongside Thunderbolt, The Origin, etc.
>00
Wasn't hated upon release and even with S2 being a step down it had the luck of having SEED/SEED Destiny as a predecessor so there was nowhere but up
>AGE
This show got shit on before the first episode came out and even if it turned out to be good nobody would give it achance.
>TRY
It took everything people loved about GBF and shat on it immensely and didn't even bother to improve upon it like they say they would. Despite that they're still some people who praise it for whatever reason
>Greco
Its a Tomino series and people tend to take their dislike for the director over the quality of he show itself. G-Reco is far from the worst thing ever especially in the franchise but people will stubbornly not accept it.
>>155538983
>G-Reco was terrible
Found the retard
>>155539150
>Its a Tomino series and people tend to take their dislike for the director over the quality of he show itself.
Why woud anyone who watches gundam actively dislike Tomino?
I mean I just got into UC, but it seems kinda stupid to dislike a director, but still watch his franchise.
Why did people hate age before it even aired, I haven't watched it yet, but the concept of a gundam story that takes place over 3 generations seems interesting to me.
>>155539150
>Its a Tomino series and people tend to take their dislike for the director over the quality of he show itself.
This is such bullshit. I liked G-Reco but its pretty much his worst gundam. There were a substantial number of issues. A lot of people defend it only because of him.
>>155534477
I wouldn't know, I dropped it when they killed Iok-sama.
>>155539313
>Why woud anyone who watches gundam actively dislike Tomino?
His character writing gets criticized constantly and with The Origin people are saying that Yas did a better service to the franchise than Tomino did also works such as ZZ and Victory are considered the worst in the franchise.
>I mean I just got into UC, but it seems kinda stupid to dislike a director, but still watch his franchise.
Well in a franchise that's over 35 years old there's bound to be people who prefer some aspects more than others. Just because you like UC doesn't mean you have to like Tomino's work and just because you like Gundam as a whole doesnt mean you have to be a fan of the UC works. Its weird I know.
>Why did people hate age before it even aired
The kiddyesque designs of the characters and the MS made people really upset over it and dash it before it even aired. The show itself had a neat concept but shoddy execution despite that I think a story seeing an MC grow throughout a 50 year span had potential and Flint winded up being a pretty memorable MC just for that alone but everything else about the show is lackluster.
loli man was the best character in anime. period.
>>155539472
>I liked G-Reco but its pretty much his worst gundam.
Not when ZZ, F91 and Victory exists.
> substantial number of issues.
That never seem to get brought up and instead its just due to you having a small attention span.
> A lot of people defend it only because of him.
I like Tomino but he's made some shit and I always call it out on it. G-Reco is definitely not as bad as some of his Gundam works, Wings of Rean and fucking Grazey's Wing
>>155534579
they did chicken out. See>>155534683
Mika got his happiest possible end. Most of Tekkadan escaped and stopped doing merc work. Kudelia and McGillis got all their goals achieved. It was a ridiculously happy ending, especially given Rustal had essentially achieved total and complete military and propaganda victory at that point.
>>155539472
>but its pretty much his worst gundam.
>ZZ
>CCA
>F91
>Victory
>New Translation
Please don't say that with a straight face expecting me to take you seriously.
Was another average as fuck Gundam series. Last good Gundam was build fighters, based solely on its great action. 00 was the last decent plot Gundam has had.
>>155539552
>>155539552
Oh okay thanks for explaining.
I can kinda see where they are coming from, but the only series of his I actually didn't like was zeta I can see why people like it, but it was not my cup of tea.
Also should I just skip Victory I have trouble getting started with that one and hearing how it isn't that good, kinda demotivates me.but then again I like ZZ so there is that.
Never forget.
My biggest problem with this show was how incredibly stupid chocoman's plan was in the end. I did enjoy the bittersweet ending, and i think Orga, Mika and Guts all had pretty nice death scenes. Overall the show was pretty good. I'm glad Atra and Kudelia stayed alive.
Atra was the single best thing to come out of this show. Prove me wrong.You can't.
>>155535511
>the first 2 episodes of Victory
I thought the first episodes of Victory were a mess. Imo, Victory didn't really pick up until they introduce the Shrike team
>People usually say Zeta
Zetafag, here. Yeah Zeta isn't really for everyone, and I understand it introduces some new elements that get abused by later series, but personally I loved it as a good character drama, and Kamille is my favorite protagonist for just how much he grows
>>155539593
>>155539699
I actually unironically loved chocoman, the more I got to know about him in the series the more I started to like him.
I fucking loved how he went from keikaku master to chuuni madmanchild with GOAT pokerface when he realized he was completely fucked when he realized Gali was still alive.
>>155538059
CUTE!
>>155539690
>I actually didn't like was zeta
Zeta kinda suffered from being overhyped for years before its official release in the US and then people actually saw it and see that it had an abundant amount of flaws. Its a series that's not for everyone.
>Also should I just skip Victory I have trouble getting started with that one and hearing how it isn't that good, kinda demotivates me.
I like Victory but man is it a slog to get through because its at a point where Tomino stopped giving a shit and it shows. I'll say its worth it just for the ending.
>but then again I like ZZ so there is that.
If you can put up with that you should be fine
>>155539778
I rather breed Kudelia or Lafter, but Atra is better waifu material.
>>155539657
ZZ is critically underrated. CCA is good but not as good as people wanted it to be. Victory was okay.
F91 was bad and I forgot it was Tomino.
>>155539667
>Was another average as fuck Gundam series. Last good Gundam was build fighters
GBF is average as fuck it just had much better execution. IBO is crap because the people behind the show didn't even try.
>00 was the last decent plot Gundam has had.
Not even close. People give 00 so much slack for the bullshit it did its laughable.
>>155539726
I liked how incredibly stupid his plan was.
You have this character who is clearly not entirely sane, but don't realize until it's too late that his insanity was much worse and more debilitating than you thought it was.
>>155539778
She's such a cutie.
Also, someone post art of MILF Atra, i still don't have any
>>155539865
>ZZ is critically underrated.
Its also not good.
>CCA is good
Sorry but I don't like the adventures of Quess featuring Amuro and Char
>Victory okay
Eh...has a good ending at least
>>155539726
He has a plan, but Gali being alive fucked him over so hard he just went MUH BAEL and just did a suicide run.
It was either that or just runaway and live the rest of his life as fugitive and we all know Mackie would rather die in a chuuni blaze of glory like Agnika Kaieru rather than just live as coward that ran away.
>>155538257
First SEED was entertaining, but had a bunch of flaws in the writing. Destiny made it retroactively bad for alot of people, because it made those flaws alot harder to ignore. That anon is probably talking about Destiny, anyways, since that's undoubtedly the worst of the CE entries, and the previous champion for worst Gundam
>>155539933
Why do so many plebs hate ZZ? The first half is weak, especially coming right off Zeta, but the entire second half is balls to the fucking wall. When you hear Silent Voice start playing you know shits going to go down.
>>155534455
6/10 overall
I liked it, but scarcely.
First season was insufferable. I dropped it, but I had to retake it to watch the second season. It's a necessary suffering to "enjoy" better second season and understand some little things.
Second season was, of course, a lot better and funnier.
The ending was perfect. Bittersweet, as it should be.
>>155538256
>They did the same thing at the end of S1, at least for certain characters.
Yeah, and that was a big dumb, mistake
>>155539895
>>155539962
>>155539802
I love how in every other show this would be considered fucking stupid but only here would it receive praise
Can't wait for the next TV gundam to be utter shit and people start retroactively praising IBO.
>>155537629
Pity. I'd have respected it more if they actually had the balls to execute a peace princess in a Gundam series.
>>155539877
Trying to eliminate war from existence is at the very least a decent plot for 00. Many other Gundam series don't even fucking try having a decent plot like IBO. I bet you're a UC fag who shits on everything that isn't UC.
>>155540035
>but the entire second half is balls to the fucking wall
The Dublin arc sure but after that it goes back into horseshit again. Glemy is a pretty shit antagonist and how they go about handling Puru 2 is also bad. The ending is also bad. Really ZZ just feels like extended filler until CCA got greenlighted and Tomino had to wrap things up.
>>155539778
Back to your brothel, whore. You are literal cancer and should never have been allowed anywhere near Tekkadan.
>>155540122
>Trying to eliminate war from existence is at the very least a decent plot for 00.
No its incredibly stupid, Wing did the exact same shit and people call it out for it but when 00 does it its okay? Please. One of the best thing about UC is that it doesn't play with war as a concept that comes and goes, it happens and every character suffers because of it by the end losing what little childhood innocence they have. 00, SEED and Wing all seems to believe war is this thing that needs to be eradicated where ts just a natural part of being human, there's always going to be conflict so the notion that you can just eliminate it all of it just seems silly then again 00 as a whole is a very silly show.
>>155538940
Unless you physically see them die they can always come back, and even then...
RANK THE OPs and EDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyfH3oj_eg
^best
>>155540079
If it makes you feel any better I would have loved Macky regardless which show he was in.
>>155538917
>00
People loved it, especially after Destiny
>AGE
Some People didn't like it for the kiddy designs, but people were mostly excited during the 1st arc, ambivalent during the 2nd arc, and hated it from the 3rd arc on
>BF
Most people were sceptical at such a blatant cash grab, but fans grew to love it after watching it
>Try
People were excited for a sequel to BF and had their hopes up, but were soon disappointed since it removed everything that was good about the original BF
>G-Reco
Some people had high expectations from Tomino for another 0079 or Zeta, others hate Tomino and decided to hate on G-Reco from the beginning. Others decided to get in without being to familiar with Tomino at all. What we got was an incredibly dense Turn A/King Gainer type adventure story. The show was not for everybody, and you have to have a very open mindset when coming into it. Combined with the lightspeed pacing due to only having 26 episodes, it wasn't accessible to alot of people. Alot of people dropped it. Alot of people claimed it is the worst series.
All of these shows with the exception of 00 and Build Fighters were claimed to be the worst show since Destiny. Of the 21st century shows, I've only seen SEED, 00, G-Reco and IBO, and imo, IBO is the worst out those I've seen.
>>155540423
ED
1>3>4>2
OP
3>1>4>2
OOOORPHAAAAAMS NAMIDAAAA
Being the best out of all of them is obvious.
>>155540520
>Of the 21st century shows, I've only seen SEED, 00, G-Reco and IBO, and imo, IBO is the worst out those I've seen.
That is fair I haven't watched any of those except for IBO, so I just have to watch them and see for myself.
>>155539313
There are people who only watch AUs or prefer to watch the OVAs. I honestly don't understand it either.
>>155540527
I got chills when they brought it back afterBiscuit died.
>>155540677
There's people who got into Gundam without seeing 0079. I honestly don't get that either
>>155534455
Don't worry anon, the hero is fine.
>>155540520
The problem with G-reco is even if you get around the bad pacing and obtuse storytelling at the end of the day the story itself is mediocre.
>>155534709
>well I think IBO was good
Shit taste.
>>155540837
Unless you're a complete fucking idiot, no.
>>155540977
Cmon, dude stop shitposting. I liked G-Reco, but even I don't think its for everybody. You have to have an open mindset to it. I think that's part of why Tomino said he was making it for children and older fans wouldn't like it
>>155541095
>I think that's part of why Tomino said he was making it for children and older fans wouldn't like it
If grown ass adults were having trouble understanding the series, I don't exactly see how children are supposed to get invested in it.
>>155540677
>>155540732
Probably the issue that the original series is so damn old and not easily accessible anymore, and they never really did any sort of remake or visual update, so it's a jarring transition when you come off of something as visually stunning as Unicorn or Thunderbolt and have to slog through '80s QUALITY.
>>155540056
>breathe a sigh of relief, yet somehow disappointed
>oh well, at least they'll get together
>laughingIokKudjan.exe
>>155541195
Because adult viewers' minds are already filled with preconceptions of what a Gundam series is and what its supposed to do or be about. A kid can just enjoy the show for what it is
>>155541454
>Because adult viewers' minds are already filled with preconceptions of what a Gundam series is and what its supposed to do or be about.
Fan reaction to IBO in a nutshell.
>>155541501
That's fan reaction to ANY non-UC Gundam series.
>>155541436
Its not really a slog if you just focus on the characters themselves. And if you ask me, most of the fights are fun to watch. The character designs are very much of their time period as is the opening, but I found that gave it a bit of charm
>>155541594
Yeah, it's more of a personal thing. I could get through it easily, but I know a lot of other people who would get turned off by the visuals, and I'll be the first to admit that they haven't aged well at all.
>>155541579
This is my first Gundam in a long while, but that makes a lot of sense. I mean I came to the same conclusion myself.
It started to become thematically muddled half way through. While the first season was mostly just boring, it had steady overarching themes that carried it through. The second season by contrast started with one theme, switched to another just to discard it as fast, then touched on a few others before deciding none of those themes mattered and just killed everyone while having Rustal magically do a 180 for muh reforms.
It was almost like half a dozen different people wrote it while having no communication with each other, and it was Okada's job to stitch the pieces together.
>>155541579
Most AUs tends to be much more Super Robot than UC and hence UC doesn't have alot of the issues that people often complain about in Gundam, like one Gundam being able to solo an entire fleet or even really beamspam. Personally I think those are pretty minor complaints, and all that really matters about a series is how well you execute it, but I guess with UC its a lot easier since most of the background is already fleshed out for you and you can focus on other elements of the plot, whillst AUs have to juggle that and come up with their own background
Nagai is a shit director
Decided not to kill turbine girls and shino at the the 1st season even though they had fatal injuries and should have been deaded.
Suggests they kill tekkadan + kudelia because he thinks they should be punished for killing people with no remorse and believes they are all evil.
I feel bad for Okada even tho she's a shit too
>>155539539
I'm pretty sure you can form an opinion if you've seen all but the last 15 minutes of an anime
Mikazuki Augus is my new patron saint of battle. Whenever I'm in any sort of fight, I just think to myself "What would Orga have me do?" and then I destroy my enemies ruthlessly and efficiently.
I'm not even joking. I'm going to set up a shrine.
>>155541632
Yeah, I try to enter newer Gundams with an open mind, and there are a handful I consider legitimately bad.
SEED/SEED Destiny: I don't even have to say anything about this.
AGE: The 3 generation storyline was far too ambitious, and led to a lot of pacing problems and the heavy dropping of characters between generation jumps. It didn't help that the 3 generations were only barely connected and were each treated as their own separate series that repeated each other instead of sticking to a single, cohesive narrative.
G-Reco: This series just felt very tonally inconsistent with me. It wanted to tell both a compelling and gritty war story with intrigue between multiple political factions with their own interests, but at the same time it wanted to focus on the wacky, consequence-free saturday morning cartoon adventures of the protag and his friends. The end result was that I just couldn't get invested in the series because there were no stakes and I had no reason to root for anybody.
IBO S2: I honestly enjoyed season one. The protags this time were basically a rogue PMC both purposely and inadvertently shaking up the status quo, with everybody scrambling to see how they could profit from the chaos they left in their wake. S2 completely shits on everything S1 set up by making the potential arc villain set up in S1 look like a complete idiot and tries to shove down our throats the idea that Gjallarhorn were the good guys all along.
I didn't necessarily put TRY on the list because I don't think it's straight up bad, just highly disappointing. It was plainly obvious the original GBF team wasn't behind it and it completely missed all the things that made GBF great. I
>>155541974
>Rustal magically do a 180 for muh reforms.
I really don't understands why people get confused by this.
Rustal never was against reforms, he just thought McGillis was a moron for trying to do it by force. Especially since Rustal thought order was the utmost importance.
At the end of the series the seven stars had to reform regardless because they no longer even had close to 7 members and Rustal chose the democratic route instead of the dictator route.
>>155540287
How did you miss the point of CBs fuck up so hard?
>>155542214
Having the protagonist, the best combatant by far, get killed by nameless Dainsleif-carrying soldiers firing all the way from space was one of the best things about the series.
>>155542214
I actually miss the manlet, his death struck me more than I thought.
>>155542397
I think the major issue was that Rustal's apparent change of heart/benevolent pragmatism was just extremely poorly communicated. In every scene we've seen Rustal in, he's done everything in his power to prop up the status quo, even going so far as to employing the use of illegal WMDs. If he did win, people were expecting him to just shoehorn in a new Seven Stars council to keep everything going.
Had there been more hints of Rustal being more progressively minded but unable to do anything about it, like Gaelio, I think people would have warmed up to him more.
>>155542361
>tries to shove down our throats the idea that Gjallarhorn were the good guys all along.
I didn't get that message at all.
It's like real life - rarely are people so obviously evil that they are incapable of any good. Not to get too political, but look at the United States - we act like we're saints around the world, but we do dirty shit all the time. Gjallarhorn looked at their situation, with most of their resources wiped out or otherwise indisposed, an increasingly unruly Mars, and the four major blocs on Earth rearming and they chose the only way out that would let them (Rustal) stay on top.
On a side note: I just rewatched the first episode to go over a few things, and while McGillis and Gaelio were talking about how Earth turns a blind eye to the problems off-world, and Gaelio remarks about that sort of thinking set off the Calamity War. Was the CW a colonial rebellion? I mean that fits for a Gundam show, and it would explain why an intact mobile armor and two gundams were found on Mars.
>>155542397
Rustal's method was every bit the dictator route as mcgillis. The difference was that Rustal attempted to force change internally while mcgillis went for a purely revolutionary method. Mcgillis' antics actually enabled Rustal to pull off his bloodless coup by clearing out the seven stars and bringing a strong pilot over to his side. They're both villains. Rustal was just the arch villain while mcgillis was a footsoldier.
>>155542943
Say a lot about Nagai
>>155542856
>It's like real life
Well yes, that's what a lot of Gundam series boil down to. However, some, like 00 and UC, do it far better. In IBO's case, we only see Gjallarhorn when it's at its most evil and corrupt, pulling lots of CIA-tier shady shit but we're never really given a reason of why they're actually necessary anymore. Hell, in S1 they even acknowledged that Gjallarhorn was a entity that had lost its purpose. It's tough on audiences to buy a good ending coming about when the bad guy wins when they're given no reason to think the bad guy will act that way.
>Was the CW a colonial rebellion?
It may have started as one, but the CW is primarily talked about as a robot war. Somebody started mass producing automated Mobile Armors, and when the MAs went rogue Mobile Suits were built to counter them.
>>155542654
Same here.
A lot of people give him shit for being "simple" or a "psycho", but I thought it was refreshing to see a warrior protagonist who wasn't filled with anguish and drama - his only thought was his and his friends' survival and every time one of them died, it provoked an even greater savagery than you thought possible.
>>155543146
Well it had lost it's purpose - Gjallarhorn was a corrupt regime trying to justify its purpose, which is why theystaged that rebellion on the Dort Colonies.
And yeah it was a robot war, but think about it: an underdeveloped and destitute colony world isn't going to have the same resources to free themselves in a protracted war: the Martians probably built the things as a last ditch effort and ended up almost destroying out the human race.
>>155541195
>>155541454
Wasn't there reports that kids were enjoying it and had no problems following it? Though honestly it seems kinda fucked since it aired late at night
>>155543162
I actually liked him because he was simple.
Like that time everyone was discussing what they should do with the traitor and he just suddenly speaks up wondering why the fuck they even are discussing it and that they should just pop him in the head for getting their family killed and that was just the end of it.
I honestly loved his deadpan autism and murder boner.
>>155543146
When the mobile armor thing happened I actually expected they were going to use them as a plot device to both figuratively and literally dismantle gjallarhorn. After all, what would have been better than the weapon of the calamity war destroying a relic from the same era that had lost its purpose? But no, we get metal gear ray for two episodes then it's forgotten, and nothing was accomplished other than showing what a fuckup Lok is.
>>155542489
>fucked up
Except they were following Aeorilla's plan verbatim, the reason why things went to hell was because of Alejandro and Ribbons taking over Veda.
>>155543328
Yeah, I feel he was a refreshing change of pace from the UNDERSTANDING and MUH MORALS protags. Mika was the guy who just tried to get shit done in the most efficient way possible and was rightly feared/respected for it.
>>155542397
>>155541974
He disbanded the seven stars to become president. Hes hardly Mother Theresa here. Most of the families were dead, the clusterfuck rattled people's belief in the seven stars system, the fact that Bael was used for "terrorism" fucks with the philosophy they had used to justify their rule. It was simply more prudent to reform the system that was falling down around him. Thats why the ending is bittersweet: Choco and Tekkedan did end up succeeding in forcing reform on a system that didn't want it.
>>155543328
He thought and said exactly what we were all thinking. For that, I loved him.
>>155534455
>You know what i actually held out to the last couple of minutes that he was still alive
I still have faith Macky could've survived. Gali Gali is a dumb enough guy to have put him in one of those recover-from-any-injury tubes.
>>155542361
>It wanted to tell both a compelling and gritty war story with intrigue between multiple political factions with their own interests
What the fuck are you talking about? Nothing about G-Reco was a gritty war story nor did it try to be one. It was a silly adventure series about preventing a war from breaking out that was also an allegory criticizing Japan's remilitarization. I'm kinda getting what G-Recofags are saying when they say the people who hate the show are retards.
>>155543500
Here's hoping for a timeskip S3 with an adult Almiria and Punished Ride.
Todo is still out there. It wouldn't be a big leap to see McGillis to work through him again.
>>155542214
>>155542654
>>155543162
>>155543328
>>155543401
Mika is literally the least memorable MC in the franchise and that is a huge feat in itself.
>A lot of people give him shit for being "simple" or a "psycho"
People give him shit because he's barely a fucking character. You can make your character stoic but you actually have to write something resembing characterization into him otherwise he winds up being dull as dirt. Mika is like the complete opposite of someone like Kira Yamato where the latter was built to have mass appeal and winds up just being a dull shitty character Mika is built to be nothing and winds up not having any appeal at all except for retards like you who see him as refreshing when this isn't even the first time Gundam has had a stoic protagonist.
>>155534455
>faggot villain suddenly is all for what the good guys have been fighting for at the last moment
>all those character deaths for no reason
>>155543460
>He disbanded the seven stars to become president.
The Seven stars was already disbanded before that came about. What he did was reform GH and used his new status to become president to save face.
>Thats why the ending is bittersweet: Choco and Tekkedan did end up succeeding in forcing reform on a system that didn't want it.
Tekkadan never gave a shit about any of that, they thought for a better life for the people they loved and they succeeded and since they never gave a shit about status or GH what came about with Rustal has no real effect on them. The only loser here is McGillis who lost everything due to his foolhearty gamble.
>>155543763
He's not stoic, he's indifferent. There's a fucking difference and it's obviously lost on you.
>>155543500
I would be so down with Choco's counterattack with Bael Okami, but it will have some cool moonrune fuckery that will make it mean god king or king of wolfs like lupus rex.
Best boy did nothing wrong!!
>>155543763
Heero was a failed Mika. Get over it.
>>155543763
Mika isn't just stoic though, he's quite pragmatic.
Also, you're reading it wrong, there was never going to be any development or build up for Mika, he's already a developed character since episode 1 and nothing will change that.
>>155543978
I still have no idea what he was there for.
Was he supposed to be a mirror to the monkey or something considering they had the exact same arc.
>>155534477
So fucking awful
>>155543916
>>155543996
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>155543906
>Tekkadan never gave a shit about any of that, they thought for a better life for the people they loved
I think the viewer was supposed to be supporting Tekkedan/McGillis teamup based on the premise that GH was abusing their power and failing to protect victimized individuals like Tekkedan orphans. Thats essentially Kudelia's job in S1 and while S2 didn't focus on it, I think the show expected viewers to still care (though they failed at that).
>>155544043
He was supposed to be cute! And he succeeded anon.
>>155542523
Did you watch the final episode? He got killed by meat girl. And then meat girl decapitated barbie and went and fucked Gaelio so hard he lost the use of his legs.
>>155543916
>>155543996
Oh it makes sense! The people praising Mika have to insert their own headcannon because there's nothing to him
>>155544043
He struck me as your typical heroic lead ready to make a difference and become the ace pilot. Then reality ensued.
>>155544089
I guess so he didn't deserve to die.
I honestly thought he was going to be some uncle to Akatsuki, but he died.
>>155543996
>, there was never going to be any development or build up for Mika, he's already a developed character since episode 1 and nothing will change that.
I sure am gonna miss IBOfags and there stupid ass comments. Feels good to know that they're going t be drown out like AGEfags.
>>155544086
>I think the viewer was supposed to be supporting Tekkedan/McGillis teamup based on the premise that GH was abusing their power and failing to protect victimized individuals like Tekkedan orphans
The problem is that the show gave us no reason to care about anyone outside of Tekkadan. If the show truly wanted us to detest Tekkadan and McGillis like Nagai stated then they should have done more with showcasing the consequences for their actions instead of playing it off as tragic because it just feels incredibly mean-spirited for no reason.
I wonder what Agnika was like, since his piloting skills are on par with Amuro's.
>>155544081
Clearly you don't.
>>155544122
What headcanon? Are you people ESL shitters or just ignorant twats? There's a huge difference between stoicism and indifference; one is the denial of emotions and pain, and the other is not giving a fuck in the slightest.
A stoic character would hide his tears and the audience would know that he's fighting to hide his inner anguish when his comrades die, that sort of thing. Mika doesn't do that at all, he wears his heart on a sleeve - he just doesn't care for most of the bullshit everyone else does. When his friends die, he goes on a rampage and murders the idiots in his way, like he did with Carta.
>>155544086
They kind of drifted away from that imagery.
S1 had something in every fucking episode about how they were worth less than trash. Then suddenly in season 2 it's all
>WE A FAMILY NOW
>WE AINT NO HUMAN DEBRIS ANYMORE WE CANT DIE LIKE THAT
That's effectively telling the viewer, mission accomplished. The only part that even came close to carrying on the original theme was when they were fighting jizzley and were carving through human debris like nothing.
>>155544242
>I wonder what Agnika was like, since his piloting skills are on par with Amuro's.
souce on that?
>>155544255
>A stoic character would hide his tears
Oh good you don't know what stoic characters are either.
>>155544313
Alright, explain it to me. If I'm wrong, then at least I'll learn something from this.
>>155544255
I actually liked how when Mika goes full Barbatos you start hearing emotion in his voice. It gave the impression that the gundam has a soulbecause it devours the souls of its pilotsand it pushes its emotion onto Mika.
>>155544255
>A stoic character would hide his tears and the audience would know that he's fighting to hide his inner anguish when his comrades die, that sort of thing
You literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about. But then again I don't expect a fucking IBOfag to have knowledge of anything but bullshit.
Reminder that Shino was confirmed to be a bisexual bibro and he wanted to fuck this.
>>155544255
>>155544383
>>155544364
>What happens when an idiot tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about
Why is it so easy to make fun of IBOfags?
>>155544450
I couldn't give less of a shit, much like my feelings on IBO.
>>155544301
This is just speculation because Agnika is pretty much the Amuro of the IBO universe. Also the fact that the guy managed to slay countless MA with just two swords was proof of his skill. Granted we don't know if they were just exaggerating or not but we can assume he's pretty damn good.
>>155544450
Reminder that nobody carers about background characters.
>>155544450
I'm genuinely surprised the nips know what bisexual is considering it's either all or nothing for their anime/manga. Either it's yaoi, yuri or het, nothing in between.
>>155543548
>Nothing about G-Reco was a gritty war story nor did it try to be one
>People die when they are killed
>Ethnic group of humans literally raised to be a food source and now discriminated against because of it
>At least 5 or 6 distinct political factions trying to use the protag and his Gundam as a pawn for their own gains.
>At least 2 of these factions are already at full scale war and are thinking of expanding the war to a third, neutral country.
>Neutral country throttles the progress of the other Earth factions due to monopoly on energy.
>At least one of the space factions wants to kickstart a war with Earth to take back rightful clay.
>War actually breaks out.
>A LOT of people die when they are killed.
>Not trying to be a gritty war story.
I'm kinda getting what other people are saying when they say G-Recofags will literally claim anything to avoid acknowledging there are flaws in the show.
>>155544542
Type-Moon girls are always bisexual
>>155544627
>people die
>gritty
Hey guise! Pokemon is gritty as fuck
The premise just didn't really feeling interesting for a Gundam series, though that's mostly a matter of opinion since I mainly watch Gundam for the sci-fi elements.
>>155544687
Reminder that pokemon had an episode that was literally banned from American TV because it featured gun violence.
>>155543763
I'm sort of of the mind that Mika was the one character in the series that didn't actually need any development. He already had a pretty set goal and was okay with his position in life as Tekkadan's muscle.
Basically, it's supposed to be the people around Mika that are supposed to develop, since Mika serves as the constant, emotional bedrock for them. The only problem is that the show squanders this and doesn't really try to develop the other Tekkddan members, instead being content to put Orga through the same goddamn self-doubt arc three times over the course of the season.
>>155544687
People die consistently and permanently, often by Bellri's hand. The only reason why it's not immediately evident as gritty is because the show does its very best to gloss over any impact or consequences such deaths have, which is where that meme of Bellri being a complete and utter psychopath stems from.
>>155544627
>People die when they are killed
So?
>Ethnic group of humans literally raised to be a food source and now discriminated against because of it
And nobody gives a shit
>>At least 5 or 6 distinct political factions trying to use the protag and his Gundam as a pawn for their own gains.
All in hilarious ways
>At least 2 of these factions are already at full scale war and are thinking of expanding the war to a third, neutral country.
>War actually breaks out
There is no war retard, the show is about avoiding a war from breaking out
>Neutral country throttles the progress of the other Earth factions due to monopoly on energy.
>At least one of the space factions wants to kickstart a war with Earth to take back rightful clay.
These aren't gritty at all
>A LOT of people die when they are killed.
Next to Turn A G-Reco has the smallest death count in the franchise
Man you fucking suck at this
>>155544877
>People die consistently and permanently, often by Bellri's hand.
So what? People dying doesn't automatically make a show gritty and Bellri doesn't fret over it ether
>>155544888
Like i said before, these are all elements that are part of what makes a gritty war story, but they're all played off or straight up ignored to unable Bellri's Excellent Adventure. To me, that created a disconnect that prevented me from being able to enjoy the series, and I think that's true for a lot of other people that weren't into it, either.
>>155544977
>and Bellri doesn't fret over it ether
That's kind of the point I was trying to make in >>155545040. The fact that Bellri clearly doesn't give a shit or straight up ignores all the deaths he's causing through his happy go lucky attitude just prevented me from really liking him as a protag.
>>155545040
>these are all elements that are part of what makes a gritty war story
Not really. Most of what you said isn't particularly gritty at all I mean shit you really have to use "people die that means this show is trying to be gritty" as a fucking argument and expect to be taken seriously.
>>155545103
>The fact that Bellri clearly doesn't give a shit or straight up ignores all the deaths he's causing through his happy go lucky attitude just prevented me from really liking him as a protag.
Why the fuck should he care about random people in battle?
>>155544797
>develop the other Tekkddan members, instead being content to put Orga through the same goddamn self-doubt arc three times over the course of the season.
That is the problem with tekkadan they may have stopped being human debris and slaves officially, but they still were untill the very end.
They still fought like they were cannonfodder most of the time and the only real difference between Orga and CGS was that Orga actually cared about them.
Everytime Orga went with a plan that would kill of a bunch of them, they were totally fine with it, because that is how they are conditioned to be.
In the end they were all just like mikazuki just following the orders of who ever was in charge.
Hell most of them don't even know what they want and just give their money to some charity, hookers or give it to kudelia to save it for them.
Ride kept buying candy for the kids, because Orga praised him for doing it once in the last flag event.
It wasn't untill Orga died and there was no one there to give them orders anymore when most
of them settled down.
In the end most of them were like Mika were they would throw everything away whenever someone said "Boss' orders", but unlike Mika they were less autistic about it or they didn't even realize it themselves.
>>155545159
Yeah, you're just taking one point out 7 that I cooked up from my vague memories about a series i watched once and never really cared for.
Each one by itself wouldn't be saying much, but when you put them all together, they create certain expectations.
>>155545103
I don't really think you have a point. I think you're just struggling to find an argument because people called you out for being stupid.
>>155545230
>Yeah, you're just taking one point out 7 that I cooked up from my vague memories about a series i watched once and never really cared for.
Well I took out all your points its just that the most retarded. I guess Bambi is gritty according to your stupid ass
>>155545238
No, I'm just putting down the reasons why i didn't enjoy the series. You're free to disagree with it. Perhaps you just had different expectations from the series then I did.
>>155545332
>G-Reco
>Bambi
I do enjoy how you're cherrypicking all of the examples that have the least amount of things in common with G-Reco to try and prove your point.
>>155545357
Yeah its called not being stupid but giving your praise for IBO I'm not surprised
>>155545399
You said it yourself that killing characters make shows gritty
>>155545405
I never claimed IBO was the best gundam. I just ended up liking the first season of it better than G-Reco.
>>155544644
Yes, but it's Type-Moon, being bi-sexual was the tamest form of sexuality there.
>>155545467
Characters getting killed consistently and permanently. You just put forward two examples where deaths are very rare or completely nonexistent.
Context to the deaths are also important. They're all deaths doled out in order to prevent or instigate a major war between multiple political factions. Maybe you can find a fun, kid friendly way to go about it, but G-Reco certainly didn't succeed in that regard.
>I couldn't get into Bellri's character because he killed random people with no remorse
>In the same thread praising Mika
This board is too stupid sometimes
>>155542856
Yeah but the only time the USA did anything good by accident was WW2
>>155542943
>Rustal attempted to force change internally while mcgillis went for a purely revolutionary method
I never got how people got this. I know McGillis calls it a revolution, but all it turned out to be was an internal power struggle. There's no popular support or uprising involved for either faction
>>155545612
It was understandable with Mika because he was portrayed as an autistic child soldier who already was used to killing without remorse.
Bellri was portrayed as a regular, happy go lucky kid who ostensibly wanted to prevent a war while at the same time not giving a second thought to all the people he had to kill to achieve it.
>>155545721
Yeah, I don't get how people think Rustal was trying to change things from the inside when everything we've seen him do was perpetuate the corrupt system.
>>155545606
>Characters getting killed consistently and permanently.
G-Reco had amount the lowest deathcount in the franchise and even with the constant figths every episode only a handful nof characters confirmed died. You really are fucking stupid.
>You just put forward two examples where deaths are very rare or completely nonexistent.
No I just proved your stupid accretion wrong. Death of any magnitude does not make a show gritty and is only when is exploitative or glorified does it go into "gritty" territory which wasn't the case with G-Reco
>They're all deaths doled out in order to prevent or instigate a major war between multiple political factions
And that's also wrong. Jesus Christ did you even watch this show?
>Maybe you can find a fun, kid friendly way to go about it, but G-Reco certainly didn't succeed in that regard.
Well considering you were wrong about well..everything I don't think it failed at all.
>>155545757
Bellri was against war, and if killing people could prevent a war then he did it. Easy explanation.
>>155545757
>who ostensibly wanted to prevent a war while at the same time not giving a second thought to all the people he had to kill to achieve it.
So you're saying he shouldn't defend himself while in battle. Okay. Also you seem to forget that Bellri is a train soldier but making fun of you is too easy at this point.
It's finally over? Great, now mecha can go back to being the dying and irrelevant genre it has been for years now. How was this show supposed to inspire kids (that was the point of the show!) when the protags get btfo by a bunch of old people?
>>155545838
Hey, more power to you if you can overlook everything I pointed out.
>>155545889
No anon a soldier isn't suppose to kill people in battle.
>>155545932
I'll just take this as a concession because this is getting real sad at this point.
>>155545889
>>155545893
Yeah, except in a lot of previous gundams we've seen protags, even trained ones, have serious hangups about killing other people, even if it was perfectly justified. Bellri just sort of conveniently sidesteps all these concerns with the exception of just one person.
And yep, totally trained and hardened soldier, right? Not some newbie cadet in a demilitarized peacetime military that hasn't seen any sort of conflict in years?
And this is why G-Recofags are the worst cancer of any Gundam thread.
>>155546029
>Yeah, except in a lot of previous gundams we've seen protags, even trained ones, have serious hangups about killing other people
yeah like Kamille and Judau and Seabrook and Usso and Heero and Loran and Shinn and Setsuna and Flint and...
>>155544043
The only arc he had was being living proof that the writing team didn't know what the fuck they were doing. He is so obviously written as Mika's successor or even rival in the beginning of S2. They go to the effort of not only giving him a drawn out back story, but his own friends with their stories as well. Then it gets completely dropped like a rock. Apprentice, friend, rival; either way he would've been a good contrast to Mika, and maybe Mika would've grown as well. For all we know, he could've been his Ein, except he survives.
There were a lot of possibilities for his character, but the writers for this show were so bad.
>>155546163
>Deliberately listing off some of the worst or most controversial Gundam protags
Great job proving your point?
>>155546029
>Yeah, except in a lot of previous gundams we've seen protags, even trained ones, have serious hangups about killing other people, even if it was perfectly justified.
Literally the only Gundam protaganist that had a problem killing people every episode was SEED Kira because by Destiny he didn't give a shit. Every other protag don't have serious hangups about killing random soldiers not even pacifists like Loran, the first time in which he killed someone he doesn't hesitate at all or regrets it because by then he realized that he's fighting in a war. So yeah I have no idea what you're complaining about
Also way to go missing his reaction to killing his mentor
>>155546263
(You)
>>155546323
>Also way to go missing his reaction to killing his mentor
Yeah, the only time where he showed any break in his whimsical attitude.
For like an episode.
But it's the small things matter, right?
>>155544797
>Mika
>emotional bedrock
>emotional anything
Mika was best boy
Some guy who's review I read on anichart basically put it best: IBO tried something really ballsy and interesting but ultimately failed at executing it because of its horrendous writing. The ideas and concept were there.
>>155546113
>He says in an IBO thread where IBOfags fail to defend their show by going "A-at least it wasn't as bad as X Gundam"
This is sad
>>155546423
>Yeah, the only time where he showed any break in his whimsical attitude.
Actually he does so several times throughout the course of the show but you would know that if you watched it. You don't like losing gracefully don't you IBOfag?
>>155547935
>IBO tried something really ballsy and interesting
Something that has been done before within its same fucking franchise and much better? Hell this ending isn't even the most bleak Gundam ending in fact its too fucking happy.
>>155534477
I haven't watched many Gundam, only G, 00, Seed, Thunderbolt, and now this. Of all of these, it's definitely the worst and I'm not a huge fan of Seed. That being said, even if it was terrible, I could still finish it, so I may as well pick others up. I'm looking forward for more Thunderbolt.
>>155548604
I not just the ending but the show itself. Many things in IBO go against tradition including for example the MS designs. The show has a strong base but such bad writing and characters that it's completely worthless due to it
>>155540423
I liked the first season OP and ED the best.
>>155548971
op Rage of dust was better than Raise your flag, but Orphans namida reigns supreme as the best in the series.
>>155549054
i will say that it was a good song.
Best OP in order
1. Raise your Flag
2. Survivor
3. Fighter
4. Rage of dust
Best ED
1. Orphans no Namida
2. Freesia
3. Shounen No Hate
4. Steel
>>155534683
that'd be too much really, the end body count they have now is pretty ideal as pretty much most the innocent characters survive.
>>155543328
>says what the viewer is always thinking
> kills shit quickly and efficiently so no bullshit happens later
> puts everyone around him's well being above him
> fuck both girls
Literally most based gundam protagonist in years.
>>155544888
I think X has the lowest death count in the series above G-reco, turn-A at least had a few deaths, of unimportants but still a few deaths. I think only the random generals were the deaths in X.
>>155534455
Almiria/Ride Counter attack soon.
>>155543328
The only good thing of Mika is he never wanted a heroes or whinning faggot. But the price was him being a autist
>>155543978
F
You know its really funny thinking how many people call mika a sociopath when he might be the only gundam protagonist to fight exclusively for other people even to the point of sacrificing literal everything to protect them. It wasnt even just orga either he still tried to save every single person important to him to the bitter end even attempting to get akihiro to leave him behind.
based murder manlet.
>>155551284
He even got best girl preggers with 100% certainty.I wish he would have preggers Kudelia as well.
>>155551368
he would of if he had more time with her. She only got with him the night before he died.
>>155551284
>when he might be the only gundam protagonist to fight exclusively for other people even to the point of sacrificing literal everything to protect them
You should feel so embarrassed right now
>>155551900
That is not Kira
>>155551284
>>155551368
>>155551468
>its an IBOfag says something stupid episode
Are you niggers literally the punching bags of the Gundam fanbase now? I think even AGEfags have more dignity then you idiots at this point
>>155551284
Have you watched any other Gundam series?
>>155552149
He's an IBOfag. You should know your answer
>>155538816
By the time they killed I couldn't care less about him dying. It was nice that Guts' last act was to take him with him, but Rustal got away with so much greater bullshit that him essentially being a Karma Houdini ruined the end for me.
I'm fine with Tekkadan dying, and being lucky to just scatter to other places. I'm fine with Mari Okada's self-insert living. Add it all together to him being heralded a hero and Kudelia essentially smiling with the person who took most of the people she cared about from her and I call bullshit.
>>155542943
Except there was never any proof that Rustal even wanted things to change. nothing at all.
>>155553791
>Except there was never any proof that Rustal even wanted things to change. nothing at all.
You're right, I don't think he really cared, so long as there was stability and he kept power as a top dog.
That said, he openly admitted things were flawed and unfair to Julieta/Gaelio several times. So he wasn't against reform itself, just McGillis' attempted coup and complete seizure of power.
Democratic revolution was never his end goal, but it was probably the most pragmatic thing for him to do at the end, with the Seven Stars system irreparable and the economic blocs looking to shrug off Gjallahorn influence.
>>155542214
Mankind won the war on autism
>>155553791
Given all that happenned through both seasons, GH wouldn't be perceived as credible or stable without reforming, so Rustal didn't actually have much choice, and the reforms, although democratic, gave him more power, so it all ties up nicely.
>>155539921
There isn’t many really
>>155540025
I still think Destiny is better than G reco and IBO. Good OPs/EDs, gundam designs, and at least the story is consistent.
>>155556331
Ugly compared to the loli version. Okada was a mistake.
>>155544537
Except all the nips who keep voting them top spots in the polls, buy out all of their merch and make them trend on twitter.
>>155534477
what's the gundam usually people answer when asked which one is the worst tho? I think it's seed but I'm not sure
>>155556351
And the idea of having a villain protagonist is certainly a novelty in the Gundam franchise
>>155556565
g-reco
>>155556565
Seed Destiny is still the worst. IBO is probably second or third worst. Some anons here are really desperate to label IBO as the worst because if they don't remind people every thread, their shitposting campaign across two seasons would have been for nothing.
>>155556362
She is cute, but really I thought she was by now a midget, wasn’t she like 16 in S2
>>155544542
Not really? Like 99% of BL protags are bisexuals, most of the time because they love to use female rivals or make them gay just for "the one" or that they can "grow up to be normal and have a family to contribute to society" because some fujos actually think it's only ok if they are high schoolers
Full homos are a rarity unless they are okamas
I think Mikazuki proved to me that when it comes to mecha, autists hate other autists.
The writing was inconsistent, but I don't really blame them because it felt like they were just trying the throw a bunch of things at you and hoping something stuck. Like when fumitan died and kudelia got this build up of being some savior, then you get mcgillis being sneaky as fuck the entire show then getting upstaged by rustal until the show devolved to 'lol dainsleifs'.
The redeeming parts, and the reason I'll remember this show:
1)Mika wrecking shit and being ambivalent was incredibly entertaining. There's many parts where they deliberately show you him tearing people apart and their final moments then they cut to his face and I truly believed he didn't care at all. That contrast was fun.
2)Fights were brutal and fast. The best fight was clearly mika against the mobile armor, which is why I think the whole rest of the series was so disappointing.
All I wanted was Mika wrecking shit but the writers felt like they had to throw in all this nonsense and worthless side characters.
If they just made the mobile armor fight the last episode and did the Rustal stuff earlier in the season, even letting him spare Tekkadan and then having the mobile armor be the final fight I think they would have been much better off.
As it is, I felt like huge swaths of screentime were used up for absolutely nothing interesting or trying to make some dumb philosophical point which came off as uninteresting to me.
Meh it could have ended in a worse note for Tekkadan, at least most are “happy” now
>>155534477
SEED Destiny still exists