Wait, if Gilgamesh can beat most other servants just by spamming

Because it's a rock paper scissors situation.

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So what you're asking is, why doesn't Archer use UBW in every single fight?

>>155481027
It's because Gil has a specific weapon that's super effective against each servant he comes across. Shirou doesn't have a legend that points out any specific weakness, so Gil has no hard counter against him. He either spams random shit at him, hoping for the best, or he swallows his pride and demolishes Shirou with Ea. Gate of Babylon and UBW wouldn't be very good against a servant like Lancelot Berserker, for example. Cu Culain, Hercules and Iskander all fought through GoB, but were ultimately defeated because of the Enkidu chain. Sword spam isn't as reliable as people think.

>>155481027
You don't get it.
Shirou can defeat gilgamesh because spawning a copy of a phantasm already in his hand is faster than pulling it out.
Gilgamesh is still stronger.

>>155481027
Tell me about Type-Moon
Why didn't it release a single VN since 2012?

>>155481027
UBW sword spam( which is a spam only because GoB is happening) , can counter 1:1 GoB. But Gilgamesh never masters any of his weapons from GoB. And a hero who mastered his weapon, can beat UBW, which would create a copy of the heroes weapon, because He has mastered the weapon, and shrou has not.

>>155481822
So Gilgamesh can beat other servants without mastering anything, yet Shirou somehow can't, but Shirou still beats him without ea?

>>155481027
The other anons got it all wrong.

The main and real reason is that most of the servants are physically way over Shirou, so they could kill him before he could rain on them properly. In comparison, Gil isn't really mobile and probably not one of the fittest of heroes.

The other factor is that Shirou still needs to see the other types of weapons to use them for specific servants while Gil has them on already. For instance, Shirou would need to see 12 different A+ weapons to be able to kill Heracles, while Gil already has all kinds of A+ on his arsenal, not to mention ones specialized for Heracles already like Enkidu.

>>155481673
'Dat Mobage money won out.

>>155482268
If I remove that mobage, will it die?

>>155481027
>Main character plainly explains exactly why he will win.
>You still don't understand.
Do you even pay attention?

Gil fights a servant: Pulls out the exact weapon that can beat them, regardless of their strength.
Gil fights Shirou: Has no certain weakness, requires spamming.
Shirou fights Gil: Duplicates each of the weapons he spams, nullifying them.
Shirou fights Servant: Doesn't have endless image of weapons being spammed in front of him to copy, needs to rely on what he has and his own strength, which almost all servants can easily beat.

>>155481027
For over 10 fucking years I have to see this fucking thread.
Over.
And Over.
And Over.

I'm tired.

>>155482206
>The main and real reason is that most of the servants are physically way over Shirou, so they could kill him before he could rain on them properly. In comparison, Gil isn't really mobile and probably not one of the fittest of heroes.
What? You're wrong. Shirou's physical abilities also gets the physical abilities of the wielder once he traces their weapons. Why do you think Shirou could jump 10 feet high all over the place and run like Sonic? Also, Gil IS fit as fuck and can move fast too, he just doesn't because there's no point when he can just swordspam from a distance.

>For instance, Shirou would need to see 12 different A+ weapons to be able to kill Heracles
Did you forget when Shirou traced Caliburn and killed Heracles 7 times?

>>155481027
Shirou can't spam swords like that, but he can copy. He overpowered Gilgamesh because everytime he tried to "pull out" a new sword from his GoB Shirou already had a traced and ready-to-use copy to throw at him thanks to the battle happening inside his UBW, where tracing is instant.

Against any other servant Shirou would have either copied a single one sword (and die being a non-master of it) or tried its own (and die because he's not that powerful on his own).

Had Gilgamesh swallowed his pride and pulled the only weapon Shirou couldn't have traced (Ea) he would have defeated him easily.

>>155482446
Makes you wonder if they're the same people who cpmplain about characters explaining everything in explicit detail during a fight.

>>155481027

Because Nasu pulls shit from his anus for Shirou to win

>>155482471
>What? You're wrong. Shirou's physical abilities also gets the physical abilities of the wielder once he traces their weapons
I'm pretty sure Shiro can only copy the skillsets and abilities inherent to the sword. That jumping 10 meters thing was anime-only.

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>Gilgamesh is a master strategist who has a NP that can counter any other Serv-

It's literally spam Gilcucks. Put him up against an anti-Spam skill like UBW or KoO and Gil's fucked.

>>155482471
Didn't that only work cause he was doing it with Saber?
Besides that, my point being that Shirou still needs to see the particular weapons that will help him beat the servant. Fate!Shirou could do that since he saw Saber's Caliburn, but what about the other route Shirous who didn't see it?
>>155482394
>Doesn't have endless image of weapons being spammed in front of him to copy
He can still spam the same weapon, Archer himself was able to spam multiple of Kansho and Bakuya. The issue is that he doesn't necessarily have the right weapon to counter the servant in question.

>>155482517
Then how do you explain Shirou being able to wield Heracles' Axe-sword easily with one hand in HF? Don't even say it's because he's using Redman's arm. Even if he has Redman's arm, he still need a lot of strength to carry it.

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>>155482587
>Then how do you explain Shirou being able to wield Heracles' Axe-sword easily with one hand in HF?

Archer's arm. You know, the servant with superhuman strenght.

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>>155482471
I don't remember where but it was stated in the VN that by copying a sword Shirou inherits the owner's skills in using it.
So if he copies Kanshou+Bakuya he becomes a master dual wielder etc. etc. knowing all the moves, but his body doesn't change.

It's the very reason why the Shirou vs Archer duel had to happen with Archer on the verge of dying with his Servant-tier strenght severely gimped by Gil.

>>155482624
>>155482697
I see. My bad.

>>155482710

Kill yourself

>>155482737
This is not me by the way

>>155482737
Wow, that's so edgy.

The only thing Gil needed to even bother to do was just fire a shield or a chalice or something in Shirou's general direction. Since it wouldn't be a 'weapon', Shirou would be caught off guard (and potentially be struck), his copying rate of actual weapons would slightly dip, and he'd be skewered in a millisecond.

The only 'right' answer to the question of why Shirou was able to beat Gilgamesh is: "lol plot". Everybody knows this; the arguments over internal logic are spurious and based in the ideal of "let's handwave the actual victory, and only argue about the concept of matching weapons colliding".

Why didn't Shirou trace a gun and shoot Gil?

>>155482910
His origin is a sword for a reason.

Shirou can beat Gilgamesh because Gilgamesh is a canon idiot whose head is so far up his own ass that he'd rather get killed than admit he can taste his tonsils.

>>155482910

Why didn't they just shoot Shirou?

>>155481027
Gil has all the weakpoints of heroes in his vault. Shirou has a much more limited selection.
Shirou would need to see the entire Gate of Babylon, which reportedly takes a solid week of constant firing (VS Enkidu) to deplete. Their fight didn't even show 1% of it.

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Isn't it simply Shirou is faster but Gil is stronger? Allowing him to cancel out Gil's shit about but not powerful enough to actually damage anyone worth their salt?

If Shirou fought against Caster Gilgamesh, Shirou would get his ass handed to him.

just accept the fact that the show is dogshit
stop trying to justify the im not overpowered but i actually am trope

Did Gil know that Ea is untraceable? Would explain why he was scared to bring it out if he wasn't sure.

>>155483583
He didn't break it out cause he didn't take it seriously, but that's a interesting spin to it.

>>155483651
>>155483583
isn't the reason he didn't take it out because that would be admitting that shirou is challenging? and he couldn't stomach hurting his pride like that

Shirou can produce copies and attack faster than Gil can pull them out of his gate, because they are fighting inside of Shirou's Reality Marble. Outside, Gil was wrecking his shit, inside, Shirou is the one on the offensive, while Gil has to defend. How can Shirou break the originals with copies? It's because he is getting in full power blows while Gil is still struggling to get the weapons out in time.

Shirou also has no divinity, so the Enkidu chain is less effective on him (it binds more strongly the closer the target is to a god, which is why Lancer and Heracles both lost due to it). Notice how he didn't even try to employ the chain during the UBW battle and went straight to pulling out Ea even though he was ashamed to do so? Because Enkidu is for restraining gods and demigods, there was no guarantee Shirou wouldn't break it, especially since UBW is his own world. Gil had to destroy UBW in order to defeat Shirou; if he had taken out Ea immediately and broken the Reality Marble with it, he would have won, but his pride wouldn't allow such a thing.

>>155483921
The 'why' of why Gilgamesh didn't pull out Enkidu is a little different from that. There is no possible reality in which Shirou copies/touches Enkidu and also survives the fight. Consequently, Gilgamesh does not pull out Enkidu.

Similar logic explains why Gil isn't wearing his armor.

>>155484063
I disagree. UBW obviously empowers Shirou to servant levels when he is inside of it. No matter how weak Gil is compared to other servants, how the fuck is Shirou going to outspeed and overpower him? Even Archer with nearly all of his power exhausted is stronger than Shirou. Enkidu has no power over mortals, it's just an ordinary metal chain; Shirou might have been able to break it, and there's no way Gil could tolerate that. Not to mention having to immobilize a weak mortal to win would be a serious blow to his pride anyway.

The armor is a valid point. There's literally no reason why he'd wear it in Fate and not in UBW other than the fact they needed Shirou to win.

>>155484237
Gilgamesh only equips his armor in Fate when Saber engages him. He was quite happy to romp around in a pimp coat before then.

>>155482052
It comes down to mana, mostly. Servants have insane amounts of it and Bone of My Sword doesn't. Rin was complaining about how much of it he was using against Gil.

>>155484331
He's wearing it when he goes to murder Caster, despite knowing that she poses no threat to him.

>>155484237
I meant that Gil would lose his shit and nuke the earth if Shirou tried to copy Enkidu.

>>155482052
Gilgamesh is anti-servant but Shirou's none.
His main battle plan is spamming swords but Shirou's gimmick is copying swords.
GoB is slower than UBW.

Tell me about Nasu. How is he able to milk the same franchise for eons?

>>155484862
>knowing that she poses no threat to him
Couldn't Kuzuki, in theory, just come close, rip his head off and throw it into a wall? Like he deed with Saber.
Couldn't Caster, in theory, just catch Gil in her paralyzing force field thing? Like she deed with Saber.

>>155485602
No.

>>155485055
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would can a trilogy after releasing the first game

>>155482394
>no weakness
He could just use any sort of energy projectile that requires equivalent force instead of just throwing swords.

>>155482949
Why didn't he just trace a gunsword?

>>155482052
Shirou only won against Gil because Gil is an arrogant cunt. That's the main reason.

>>155483583
For the greatest champion/king/warrior on the planet to have to admit that he needed to go all out against a terrible mage who can only use one type of magic is an insult worse than death. Gill's whole existence is based on his belief that there is no-one who is his equal, it simply isn't in his nature to be humbled.

>>155481027
>Kissanime
Kill yourself stream cancer.

OP do not listen to any retard in this thread, they are going to tell you autistic reasons why fate is a 10/10 VN without a single bad moment or 1 line of shit writting, never argue anything with the fate fanbase.

Wasn't Gilgamesh's demise to UBW mostly because of his cocky nature and taking Shirou lightly?

He probably grew slightly cautious when he saw him rushing but i think by that time it was too late. His biggest flaw is being too prideful and arrogant.

>>155482539
>KoO and Gil's fucked.

He was shooting out 2 or 3 per second. As soon GoB opens up the spam Zerkalot would be a smear on the wall. UBW worked by shooting a lesser version at each gate which was enough to negate both.

>>155481027
It's rock-paper-scissors, Shirou beat Gilgamesh because UBW is a hard counter to Gate of Babylon and Gil was too vain to try and use Ea until it was too late.

>>155481027
Because he's still a human. Any good servant could walk up to him and fuck his shit.

ARCHER on the other hand. Well you'll notice how everyone spends most of the VN going "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THIS?"

Also because thematically Shrou needed to defeat the greatest hero that constantly cast doubt on him as a mark that he is a hero.

>>155483583
Gil only takes out Ea on opponents that he deems worthy enough, i.e. Iskandar in F/Z

Shirou was just a lowly human whom Gil didn't deem worthy of being killed by Ea until it turned out that UBW completely nullified his GoB spam (and since Shirou is a human than he couldn't just go "Enkidu gg lol"), and by then he had already lost. It wasn't even really Shirou who killed him, it was his own overwhelming pride.

Anyone else cringe when he started saying I am the bone of my in English

>>155486958
No because I'm not a normalfag like you.

>>155484063
Enkidu wouldn't work on Shirou because he has no divinity

>>155486644
>>155486725
My problem with this logic is that Gil has tons of things in GoB which aren't weapons. If he bothered to shoot even one of them at Shirou, it'd be kind of hard to stop. I mean, he could shoot *Vimana* at Shirou if he wanted to, yet he doesn't.

>>155485055
Because the Fate series is crystallized autism

>>155487041
His spaceship was destroyed you goof.

>>155487041
You could probably just chalk it up to Gil's pride and him not thinking that he would actually lose.

Shirou only won due to overwhelming circumstances in his favor, in pretty much any other situation he would've died instantly, and if Gil had pulled out Ea at the beginning of the fight it would've been GG

>>155487003
>>155484862

Gil absolutely loses his shit when someone just mimics Enkidu's figure in SF. And he's in a constantly happy mood in that series. If he was already being poked at by Shirou, and Shirou copied Enkidu's *power*, Gil would genesis the fuck out of the planet.

>>155487095
That's not what EA does.

>>155487041
That would mean admitting he is inferior to Shirou's tracing. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
Gilgamesh's ego told him he should be able to beat down Shirou at his own game, and Gilgamesh's ego prevented him from changing tactics when that failed before his eyes.

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>>155487132
>Type: Anti-World
hm

>>155487132
It's Ea, and that's exactly what it does.

>>155487427
World =/= Planet

>>155481027
>if Gilgamesh can beat most other servants just by spamming swords at them

That's not what it happens, you fucking faggot. Literally name one Servant Gilgamesh beat by just raining swords.

>>155487427
>>155487490
No, it does the same thing as Slash Emperor. "shows the world as it really is"

It re-imposes Gaia's "reality marble" back over whatever is there.

>>155487743
Assassin, archer, saber

>>155487743
Medea

>>155487743
Caster, [kinda] Iskandar, the other three in the other guy's post

He beat Gilgamesh because of plot armor. Without that, he's just garbage as EMIYA is now in works outside FSN.

>>155488407
He Ea'ed Iskandar before he resorted to sword rain and still couldn't kill him until he chained him and rammed him with Ea himself.

>>155488407
>anime only pleb

That was probably the biggest fuckup of a scene they did. Gil should have been far more animated during that fight, and Iskandar should have looked a lot more fearsome, when Bucephalus died he shouldn't have even been slowed down.

The anime made it look like he knew he was going to lose and was just doing a suicide charge rather than he genuinely thought he'd win.

>>155482344
You're a big guy.

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>you'll never be Marisbilly Animusphere and summon the best Servant to be filthy rich

Fuck you, Nasu.

>>155481673
>VN
VN were literally trash tier format to try to sell Nasu's works which became outdated, so they are resorting to newer trash mediums like mobage and musou for this. They didn't released VN out any artistic integrity, but because the cheap porn would hook up some neckbeards.

>>155481408
Not all Servants have a weakness he can exploit though.

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WHY DIDN'T

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>>155488572
Do not dare to imply.

I don't disagree with your view of the fact that Iskandar thought that he would win, but he most certainly was ruined by GoB.
>unstopped though skewered from head to toe by the rain of Noble Phantasms

You also have to remember that not only does GoB have a lot of things that UBW cannot reproduce, as GoB, unlike UNW isn't limited to close combat armament. There is also the fact that reality marbles cost a shitton of energy compared to the ridiculously efficient GoB. UBW is shittier in every way except for the speed, and Archer, Shirou's strongest form, is best when he's sniping people with Hrunting or Caladbolg.

Gil's GoB is good because lol everything humanity wisdom made/copyright on being a hero, clairvoyance that lets him know what spells you're casting, what you're weak to so he can pull out whatever fucks you over, and because he can keep it up all day.

Gil only loses because he's an arrogant twat in F/SN. Even with Archer secretly saving Shirou's ass with Rho Aius, and Rin helping him so his shitty ass can actually fuel UBW, Gilgamesh was the one who cucked himself out of victory. If Gil wore his armor, had a moment to think, or used stuff that Shirou can't project... or pretty much did anything else he would have won.

>>155488920
>clairvoyance that lets him know what spells you're casting,
This is not how his clairvoyance works. He used it in Babylon, so we know. It's only future sight and only if he really really focuses.

>>155488917
They got the bit about his sword being just about to cut gil's face open right though, he was that close until Enkidu and then more skewering, but the text made it clear Gil was fighting in a very different way to his indifferent self, and that Iskandar had genuinely given him a run for his money.

He wasn't as dangerous as Heracles but lets be honest, he's fucking Heracles. The only person who should really be clearly ahead of him in the nasuverse is Galahad.

>>155488920
Why are people so obsessed with undermining just how fucking dangerous Archer actually is? he made Artoria and Cu both go "wtf is this"

There is no condition for Gil to beat EMIYA it just doesn't happen. Shirou yes because he's just a regular human, but Shriou won and it was an important thematic moment to have, without it the story would have been incomplete.

>>155488679
Mahoyo was nice, please no bully

>>155489135
As I see it, they simply spent all of their budget on Ionian Hetairoi. That's why the charge had so little animation, and why there was so little of the Berserker fight shown.

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>I cannot forgive that king's sins. I cannot ignore that king's cruelty.
>How much sorrows have I seen? Yet that demon does nothing. He only looks at me with a cold smile only on his face.
>Thus, I leave these words, in the hopes that they shall pass down by someone in the future.
>No matter what time, no matter what country, humanity is full of tragedies.
>Those who kill their sons and daughters. Those are killed by their sons and daughters.
>Those who do not know love. And those are rejected by love.
>Those who sigh at betrayal, and those who live for betrayal.
>Those who do not know what is a family, and those who abandon their family.
>Those who lose wealth and those who are harmed by their possessions.
>Those who do not know what is love and those who laugh at love.
>Those who pointlessly pursue success and those who hate their success.
>Those who defend a faith, and those who hate it.
>Those who love their kind and hate others, those who learn knowledge and spread ignorance. Those who hate for no reason and are prone to suspicion. Those who like to treat others unfairly, who love to persecute others, and who are merciless.
>How ugly, how sad are these creatures? Yet as a regular man, this is fine.
>Humanity is not omnipotent. All humans can do is to live as a contradiction, and live on bearing all the pain.
>Yet, if there was an omnipotent king, things must be judged differently. He has the power to solve these problems, and he knows how. He has the eyes that could see into the past and the future, and he knows already all the sorrows and pains of the world. That were, are and would be.
>Yet the king did nothing. The king just smiled.
>If the king was ignorant, perhaps that would be fine, but the king knows everything and he still keeps on smiling.
>I cried out: "Do you have no feelings? You know everything, do you not want to correct these tragedies?"
>The king answered me: "No, not at all. The thought never occurred to me."

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>>155489871
>I will not forgive this man. Everyone who was there thought the same way. I now write down my anger, and I leave this path so that those that come after me can follow.
>Rebuild the temple.
>Find the path of light.
>If we are to destroy everything, we must use all the resources at our disposal. If we are to forget, we must wager all of our time.
>Go and explore the path which leads to the final singularity. The King of Magic has his throne there.
>That eternal space is called Solomon, the ultimate destination. It is an altar that floats in the maelstrom of time outside of all things, and the land of hope for those that seek the way to the genesis.

Who was in the wrong?

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>>155489113
>It's only future sight and only if he really really focuses.
Incorrect

>>155490081
>using fanfiction over something Nasu wrote

>>155490081
Nasu retconned that shit, you realize. He can only see the future. Unlike Solomon who has a "perfect form of omniscience". Of course a fanfiction writer like Narita who is also a Gilfag didn't know what the fuck he could do when he wrote that.

>>155489928
Goetia does not understand the concept of 'mortality' or 'humans' until the very end. Solomon was not human in life, so Solomon had no reason to understand the gravity of events, much less to act upon them. There's a parallel between Solomon and Angra Mainyu, in that way: neither sees/understands the perspectives of what they're doing.

>>155490278
>Nasu retconned that
Where?

>>155490393
Play FGO, a story Nasu actually wrote down. That's not even how Clairvoyance works.

>>155490393
Gilgamesh doesn't take information of the throne of the Heroes, he sees through present time-future events from where he's standing. It's in FGO. So yes, it's inaccurate and wrong. He does it activating Sha Naqba Imuru.

>>155490463
That's not what I asked.

Either cite your source or admit that you have none.

>>155490081
>Analogizing the past based on a future of a different phase
He's saying he can look at the future and draw conclusions about the past from that. He doesn't see the past.

>>155489334
Archer is dangerous. Shirou comparatively isn't.

>Question: So there is still quite a bit of background information that has yet to be revealed.
>Narita: That’s right. ... As Gilgamesh is also a fellow clairvoyance user, I asked about the state of Gilgamesh’s memories when he’s summoned. The answer I got was that Gilgamesh can see the possibilities of various parallel worlds if he so chooses, but the Throne adjusts the memories and knowledge of the Heroic Spirit according to the world they are summoned in, so he won’t be confused by having multiple sets of memories. I was told that even if he did use clairvoyance to see the possibility of a world where he was swallowed by the mud of the grail, Gilgamesh would reject that world line as being nonsense.

>>155481027
its a shit story written by a chuuni fucking retard autist gook. stop trying to make sense of it.

>>155490081
Exactly where it says otherwise there? He sees the future. He could conjure the past through it, but he sees only the future. And he has to activate it, Clairvoyance also consumes a fucklot of mana. He couldn't use it in Babylon because he had to juice up Servants he summoned and because of barely getting mana, Merlin couldn't use his either. It's not like his eyes automatically see shit. The only one who had eyes like that seems to be Solomon (because he even got unwilling visions).

But to be fair with Narita, he didn't know how it worked because Nasu didn't write it down until a year after he published that.

>>155490696
>Narita
Call me when you have an actual source.

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>gilfags in charge of reading comprehension

>>155490868
Narita is not the source, Nasu is. Read what it says.

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>>155489928
>>155490351
It was more like Solomon didn't have any freedom to act or do shit, but Goetia didn't know this. He realized it after he lost his OU-SAMA, taking back his insults. "Who judged him a cruel king?" He's just like Mordred with a ragging hate-love for his progenitor.

Goetia's madness is directly started after he lost him too. So it's a cover up for his inability to cope with tragedy made double by how he kept seeing everything and he couldn't burden this as Solomon did.

But at least he's cute.

>>155491019
When read what Nasu actually wrote, instead of "he told me..." Butcher also did what Nasu told him and Nasu retconned a lot he wrote in Fate/Zero which is far more official than Strange Fake (primary branch world).

Narita isn't Sakurai or anyone Nasu trusts to do world building and he even made a disclaimer in Strange Fake to not take it seriously as official Type Moon.

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>>155491116
>Solomon didn't have any freedom to act or do shit
That's what I meant. His life was made up of only reasons, so he had no way to do or understand something that was devoid of reason.

>But at least he's cute.

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>>155491301

Reminder that powerlevels are meaningless autism. All fights boil down to how best they serve the narrative, and it is both impossible and pointless to create a clean scale of power. Only autists are determined to simplify the world to raw numbers like this, and if you regularly argue about it, you should be embarrassed.

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>>155491339

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>>155491301
Solomon is a gorgeous chap, of course his demonic system son possessing his body would look good even if he was falling apart.

>double teaming doujins never

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>>155491379

>>155491381
>double teaming doujins never
You're wrong. There's already several Goetia doujins, although most of them involvefucking Solomon or David.

>>155491348
If powerlevels were meaningless then anyone would have beaten up Solomon-possessing Goetia. Instead of making so that Solomon had a NP to counter himself nobody else heard of because nothing else would have worked.

Sure, it was like that in FSN, but it's definitely no longer that in FGO. Although by Nasu's admission, "he went wild with the last boss."

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>>155491415

>>155491535
If the narrative called for someone else to be able to do it, then they would. It's that simple.

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The "swordspam cannot beat someone who has mastered a single weapon" meme that Shirou spouted is demonstrably false when BOTH Gilgamesh and Archer shit on Saber's parade with just swordspam, the so called "strongest Servant".

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If you're true Gilfags, you would recognize them.

>Shirou instantly inherits the fighting skills of the original wielder of the weapons he traces
Such fucking bullshit. Dropped.

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>>155491839
>Shirou does this by analyzing the "history" of the weapon
>manages to replicate Nine Lives with the stone axe sword, a weapon Heracles never used in his lifetime and has never executed Nine Lives with while he was a Servant (because he can't as a Berserker)
Nasu can't even keep his own shit straight.

>>155481027
Because plot armor + self insert character.

>>155491795
shamhat & enkidu?

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>>155492038
Shamhat and Siduri.

>>155492038
Shamhat, Enkidu's lover who changed him from a beast to a "man."

Siduri, Gilgamesh's confidant (and some scholars say wife) who changed him from a tyrant to a king after Enkidu's death.

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>>155492130
>Gilgamesh's three friends are a living onahole, the goddess of booze and the whore of the gods

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Let me show you Gate of Gae Bolg

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>>155492243
At least he has friends who wouldn't sell him out, unlike you, EMIYA.

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>>155492368
family counts, right?

>>155481027
Plot Armor

>>155492463
>never met Irisviel
>Kiritsugu gave him a shitty dream and was the reason why his family died in the first place
>Saber kills him if you don't raise enough affection points
>Illya kills or tortures him in several bad ends

S-Sure.

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>>155492463
You mean all the corpses?

>>155492648
Family don't have to be good family.

>>155485878
>Shirou only won against Gil because Nasu is a hack. That's the main reason.
FTFY

>>155492671
as opposed to enkidu , shamhat and whatshername - who are very alive

>>155481027

It's what this anon says. >>155482206

>>155492845
To be fair Gil is dead too. Meanwhile Emiya is suffering for all eternity.

>>155492845
Siduri outlived Gilgamesh. All the ones who died from Tiamat would be restored when the singularity fixes itself.

She probably visits him in Ere's realm because they could do that.

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>powerlevels

>>155493063
Hiking down into the underworld wasn't as a simple as just taking the afternoon off and sticking your head down a hole. It's a physical place that can be visited, but it's still a place ordinary people would stay away from if they had common sense.

Is Gil still the strongest of servant?

How can he win against :
- Solomon
- Arturia lancer
- Alter cu
- Human Herakles
and probably a lot more

>>155493556
Siduri is a goddess and a priestess. She's not a regular person.

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>>155493982
Gilgamesh is always going to be the strongest regular Servant. Solomon is a Grand. Also,
>"Human Herakles"
Did you even read the novels? He has a name.

>>155494117
Ishtar is a goddess as well and she's given more than a little trouble when she tries to enter and exit the underworld.

>>155481027
>then why does Shirou say that he can't defeat other servants with it?
Because Nasu likes to pretend that Shirou is an underdog and that there is tension in there story while the fact is that Shirou is stronger than any servant and would beat all of them easily.

Seriously, the story is so fucking badly written than you can't take it seriously or it just falls apart.

>>155481027
Gilgamesh has the counter to every servant Shirou would need to see gil beat them, then he could do it. Archer hes a better chance. But neither already have the counter, they would need to see it at one point. In a fair fight they lose. Gil inherently has the counter.

>>155481027
Because UBW is a hard counter to Gate of Babylon, and always has been.

It's amazing how many retards miss this simple fact. It's basically rock/paper/scissors like >>155481058 said.

>>155494368
And Shiki is stronger than Shirou so I guess it's true then. Shiki can kill Servants

>>155494509
Shiki is now a servant with an EX ranked NP, of course he/she can kill servants.

>>155494509
I'm lost, is it Shiki from KnK or from Tsukihime?

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WWhy didn;t Gil use EA to dick on everyone and Shirou again?

>>155494683
I'm talking about Shiki not Shiki and definitely not Shiki

>>155494720
Pride

>>155494756
There are too many Shiki in this goddamn universe...

>>155494720
>why doesent america just nuke isis?

>>155494783
Yeah, but you'd think there would be more pride in not losing or winning faster at least.

>>155481027
The only opponent that swordspam was ever a major factor in defeating was Caster, and even that was a surprise attack.

Against Saber, he used Ea. Against Berserker, Gilgamesh exploited his divinity by using the Chain of Heaven. Against Iskander, again, he used the Chain of Heaven and Ea.

>>155483021
GoB at that point in time was not even complete yet. Gilgamesh GoB near the end of his life is almost infinite.

>>155487819
Gaias reality marble is reality itself and the laws of physics that govern. Beyond that there is nothing but void. Enough with H/A meme shit it has been retconned countless times over and over again.

for anyone who read it, what the opinion on AATM?

>>155488704
Actually, they have.
Gil has every weapon in the world.
Some meant to kill gods, others to kill demons, some to kill humans, demigods, beasts and so on.

So, unless the servant is an alien, Gil probably has a weapon to counter it.

>>155481673

They've literally coasted off FSN's success for the last 13 years now. There's no need for them financially to do anything that would require effort.

>>155491535
Gilgamesh Rames Ea so far up goetias ass he will cry for his daddy solomon for days. Fuck off F/GO fags stop poisioning the franchies with your garbage.

What's the best version of the VN to start with?

>>155494720
Shirou and Archer would never allow Gil to charge up Ea

>>155496635
Lurk more, you stupid shit.

Gil doesn't have all weapons. If a civilization is as old as Uruk, there's a chance he doesn't have that weapon like Karna's spear.

>>155496635
Gil is just an owner though not a master of those weapons.

Gil could have Gae Bolg but won't be able to use Gae Bolg in the same way as Cu.

Also, some weapons require bloodline to wield like certain Irish weapons.

>>155496929
isnt the reason he doesn't have karnas spear because it was never used in myth? same as avalon.

as far as i know he has every weapon made by man and used in myth - the exclusions being specific divine constructs that are "unique" and weapons not used in their myths

>>155496978
does gil have arcondight?

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>thinks of himself as the strongest servant
>absolutely destroyed by a Japanese high school student
I wish all the other Gil's from other Fate works had this knowledge. They would probably just off themselves.

>>155497205
>isnt the reason he doesn't have karnas spear because it was never used in myth?
He used it to kill Ghatotkacha.

>>155497347
they do, his Prescience means that he could forsee all possible futures, but he discarded some as nonsense (getting eaten by sakura, BTFO by autistic ginger...)

>>155497288
Lancelot's sword? No it's fairy made like Excalibur.

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>>155494229
>True Archer Herc is revealed
>Wears the Nemean Lion pelt over his face the same way.

>>155497288
It's a divine construct, so probably not.

>>155494927
It's the same as kids online going "WOOOOW it took three of you to kill me!" except taunts like that REALLY get to Gilgamesh.

Shirou can beat Gil because he has plot armor and the power of the main character.

>>155497923
You'd prefer it if Nasu just had Gilgamesh kill Shirou and write that as the true end?

>>155497991
Who's to say that Shirou is the one who needs to beat Gil? He's basically a punching bag who doesn't manage to kill almost anyone in the whole series, It wouldn't really be a surprise if Saber was the one to kill Gil.

>>155498068
>Who's to say that Shirou is the one who needs to beat Gil?
Nobody, because in the Fate route, Saber does it. In the HF route, he gets eaten by Sakura.
He was defeated by Shirou in UBW because Shirou's power directly counters Gil.
You act like this was plot armour or an ass pull, but this was planned across all three routes and there's significant explanation and build up for this to be labelled an intentional parallel.

The whole fucking UBW route's final fight is a metaphor for originality vs. passionate inspiration.

If you complain about it not making sense, you need to do some thinking.

>>155481027
Gilgamesh hax is limited by his own creativity and plot convenience.
He can throw literally anything at you but can't actually use them properly, like he could summon a deathray but unless he somehow learned how to operate it, he would just end up throwing it in your face.
Plus most noble phantasms have requirements tied to their user's story, lineage, etc. that Gilgamesh can't replicate, and is unable to use them.
On the other side Shirou does not summon the real thing, but projects it from his mind creating a replica that while is not as strong as the original, it can replicate the effect to an extent that Shirou's own mana pool can allow him to, that's why he can project avalon and gain part of its healing powers, while Gilgamesh could at best summon the real thing but only push it up your ass.

>>155497205
>>155497437
>Gilgamesh: Do you know, mongrel? That spear he has cannot be used by anyone, an article of rare beauty none have ever laid eyes upon. Which means that, though legend records that he “has” it, there is no description of it “being used.” Consequently, in my eyes that spear does not exist. As it is something that has never been described, I don’t know whether it corresponds to any of my treasures. A god-killing martial art, truth or falsehood — it will be most interesting to determine that going forward.
He might even have it; he just wouldn't recognize it, because he doesn't know the breadth of the treasury and he doesn't know what it's supposed to look like.