>Fansubs are dead What went wrong?

crunchyroll

>>155479238
Its a service issue.

Crunchyroll effectively out competed fansubs by releasing content at the same time as release.

>>155479238
Daiz

Crunchyroll assassinated daiz
daiz was the savior of fansubs but now its over

>>155479710
>>155479837
This is the truth.

>>155479238
good riddance

>>155479710
>>155479837

Newfriend here. Aware me on Daiz.

>>155479238
Things are better now anyway

Speed > Quality of translation is how it is for 99% of the anime fanbase.

Crunchyroll

>>155480257

He is a moderator on r/anime, a place where you need to return to

>>155479238
Fansubs might resurface if netflix licenses more series. And hopefully more complete series as well.

>>155479238
Fansubs are done by fans

Anime is so shit now it has no fans.

>>155480737
>Amazon/Sentai licenses some series for US exclusively this season
>Only Sagrada Reset and Atom the Beginning are planned by actual sub groups
>Still no decent subs for Tsugumomo despite it has no simulcast
Fansubs still look dead for me.

>>155480806
>Might resurface
Were not there yet.

CrunchyRoll beat them at their own game. Hypothetically, they could just go back and sub older anime that was never touched before, but that wouldn't get them any epeen, so they don't.

Daiz summoning thread

>>155480857
Pretty much. Official subs are better and faster than fansubs in 90% of cases and since fansub groups love their e-peen and drama, they can't be bothered to work on more obscure anime.

It's been said, but it really is Crunchyroll. They release most subs each season.

Its not crunchyroll per se
Its bots like horriblesubs that rip them

>>155479238

no one really wants to sub for free anymore

and you think about it, why should they?

>>155480857
>Hypothetically, they could just go back and sub older anime that was never touched before
Or even ones that were done poorly back in the day. As far as I'm aware there's only one.hack//sign fansub and it's bloody awful. And Evangelion could do with one that standardises things with the newer entries in the franchise

>>155482038
Forgive the newfag question, but why has there never been any sort of legal action agaisnt HS?
Despite people saying they rip from Crunchyroll, CR themselves seem to tolerate them.

>>155479600
>>155479837
Fuck off, there's plenty of anime that don't get picked up by Crunchy, but nobody will touch them because they can't just nitpick on Crunchy's translation and modify some parts like the bitter translators they are.
If they actually cared they would work on those untouched shows.

>>155479238
this is a pretty garbage season so far

>>155483629
Somebody else would step in to fill the gap. And I think one of the HS guys has actually been to jail for two years.

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>>155480878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PwaJYcnuk

>>155484241
Care to give us examples of anime that don't get picked by CR?

>>155485048
Macross Delta for example, because of the difficulties of licenses. Thank god [gg] came back from the dead for that one.

>>155485121
>Saying this when Delta was shit

>>155485121
Now I want you to compare that to when we had only fansubs and at least 2/3 were not subbed while one or two shows got subbed by five people competing for epeen

Also funny you say Delta because I think some anon took over it when [gg] did their usual bullshit and dropped the show

because it became a game of "who's faster" than "who has the better quality subs."

>>155485146
We didn't know that before it came to it, though.
And it was just one single example, there are more that don't get picked up by CR, Funi or others.
>>155485171
[gg] didn't drop Delta, they dropped Kurumukuro because they lost their translator.

>>155480806
I would have liked to do Tsugumomo.
Unfortunately no one else wanted to. It can be difficult to find TLs that have the confidence and skill to pull off an OTL compared to checking over a CR TL.

>>155485171
>at least 2/3 were not subbed

When was this? 1993 when people were mailing each other VHS tapes?

Almost all airing shows had 2 or more sub groups working on them with some exceptions. It was a pretty sizable population with a lot of competition and variety in release times, quality, and sub style. I'm referring more to 2006-2012.

>>155484954
>His ultimate goal is to kill anime
Not the hero we need but the one we deserve.

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>>155479238
They are not dead, bluray releases still use fansubs. But those are for connoisseurs. The "fans" in fansubs.

Most anime watchers are casuals or just watch anime to shit post on /a/. For them crunchyroll suffices.

Quality over quantity/speed.

>>155479238
*in US

>>155479238

Stupid internal drama from dramaqueen fansubbers who gained a massive superiority complex over others for being able to actually put their "wasted" money in Japanese 101 to some fruition. Did I mention drama?

>>155479238
>scanlation is also dead
Guess it's time to learn japanese or kill myself.

>>155485590

>HS isn't doing Tsugomomo
>pretty much every fansub group left in existence just steal HS script and re-edit it, either adding more meems or removing them
>cartel representative Herkz claims it's because SHIT SHOW as a deflection

really makes you think

>>155480737
Not really, ripping Netflix is fairly trivial. You can find Netflix shows on torrent sites.

>>155485590
Go to tsugumo.moe and try to contact the guys over there.

>>155480292
If is about TV releases is ok.

>>155485890
Yeah, it's a shame people don't want to sub bad ecchi shit

>>155486182
hi herkz

>>155485890
More like they take the CR script and make adjustments where necessary. Some CR TLs are brilliant (see Gabriel and Seiren), others are poor. There's more than just dialog editing as well, e.g. video encode, typesetting.

>>155485901
I hope they're not the 9anime or AstroNotes releases on nyaa. If not, I'll send the guy(s) a message.

>>155480857
>older anime that was never touched before
those are mostly niche shows that nobody watched

I miss Commie.

>>155485890
>>155486861
I still remember that faggot from FFF that asked donation then when he got laptop, he joined CR, kek.

>>155479710
I havent seen Daiz shitposting in years

>>155485679
>2006-2012.
get out newfag, oldfags are talking here

I don't really get the hate for fansubs.

I'm watching chevalier d'eon and I like the type setting and occasional tl note about Bible stuff.

As someone who watches a lot of old shows I appreciate the work of fansubbers. CR subs look very boring and sloppy in comparison.

>>155484880
That was because he hacked a bunch of servers and got caught, not because of copyright infringement.

If you were around for gg's Star Driver and Madoka live streams, I think those ran off the hacked servers.

>>155485827
What people see as outsiders is the drama from staff channel and PM logs being leaked everywhere; what we see as insiders is that people just don't sign up as translators anymore and also a general decline of interest in fansubs.

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>>155486861
>Some CR TLs are brilliant
>see Gabriel
Which Gabriel?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-04-05/amazon-anime-strike-announces-full-spring-lineup-premiere-dates/.114405

>>155487358
2006-2012 is essentially the pre-crunchyroll era. Thats what people are referring to when they discuss the effect its had.

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Sounds like people should start learning nihongo and stop being filthy gaijin weaboo secondaries.

>>155479710
This basically

When do you guys think was the moment fansubbing really died? Even just a couple years ago nearly every airing show was getting fansubs, simulcast or not. Now I go on fansubdb and it's absolutely barren.

>>155491102
For me, it was when groups like sage died.

>>155479238
Crunchyroll

>>155487302
>I still remember that faggot from FFF
Who>

>>155485193
Sounds a lot like journalism nowadays too

>>155479238
you mean in english, in spanish they are more alive than ever, most of them come out faster than cruchyroll, and you can even find a decent one once in a blue moon

>>155491661
Wtf I love LatAm now

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>>155491661

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Remember when fansubs were good?
Nah me neither.

>>155483629
its same as torrents, you cant just remove them and expect nobody to jump into there place, which would happen 100%.
Fighting against torrent sites is basically getting free money from Goverment for doing nothing these days.

>>155479599
And then comes a season like this one where some shows aren't simulcasted, like Tsugumomo, and some are translated by Sentai which is practically the same. You find yourself watching shitty Anime Lab hardsubbed videos and regretting having stopped studying Japanese after a couple of years. I hope some good groups come back this season. UTW came back for Ajin and gg came back for delta and kuromukuro.

>>155491736
I hope you don't think that the pinnacle of fansubbing was when OniAi aired.

>>155479238
Everyone else learned Japanese. Why haven't you? Fucking EOP newfags.

>>155491102
When Coalguys retired.

>>155479238
Only the english ones.

I hope someone starts another group that OCR's TAN's yellow sub releases as an srt or ass for use on raws.

>>155485199
Kurumukuro was shit anyway

>>155491793
Couple of years? Try one semester. What's the rush, I thought, everything seems to be getting subs or scanlations, some by several groups at the same time.

Fansubbing died when Eclipse stopped fansubbing.

>>155485894
I think that the point was that Netflix releases its content as whole batches after it has finished airing instead of one episode at a time so people have to wait for the series to end before they can start watching

Crunchyroll

And I don't give a damn because we're getting subbed anime faster than ever. Fansubs were only necessary back in the day any sort of release in the West would be potentially years

>>155480223

>>155494045
My boy

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>>155479238
Nothing. Fansubs are bad and you should feel bad for liking them. Pic related, it's you.

Dat feel when you will never get to shitpost another "gg fansubs" thread again.

I miss commie.

>>155479238

Fansubs destroyed themselves. Fansubs ing is work, and if you don't work for money you work for kudos. This resulted in two things.

1) A community burning itself out from incessant Internet Drama and squabbling over e-peen. Add in your usual autistic sperglord weeaboos whining about karaoke OPs and honourifics and you have a state of perpetual civil war.

2) The overriding obsession with speedsubs and being first out there for maximum Internet Points created a toxic, destructive atmosphere which consumed any of the other pleasure in subbing and finally exploded when Crunchyroll beat everyone at their own game.

>>155479238
>Speedsubs are dead
Fixed

They will unkill themselves if circumstances call for it. Like if Amazon and Netflix fuck everything up.

>>155479238
The only ones that are dead are fastsubs, and I don't fucking miss them. They were a bunch of e-penis whores anyway.
High quality fansubs still existing. But they are obscure because 99% of the anime fanbase eat any shit.

>>155493873
Even if you can understand Japanese fairly well, it's still more of a mental effort than it's appropriate for a supposedly relaxing hobby like watching anime which is something you do for fun. With good subs you can turn down the volume and turn the language part of your brain off, it's a more enjoyable experience than listening carefully trying to discern who said what and pausing every once in a while to look up some random idiom from the sengoku period. I miss fansub.

>>155479238
They're not really dead, it's just that it's stupid to compete with CR
So when there are no subs, like LWA fansubs happen
Or for example when Funi was late with DR3 last year fansubs would happen

I don't count them as dead as long as shit gets subbed within a year.
Really, fansubbing has always been slow and bad, we had a few golden years but that wasn't the norm. Even then they weren't always super quick or good.
I think most of us grew accustomed to having fansubs/licenses quickly and with at least not total ESL tier TL. At least I did.

That said I'm a bit surprised Tsugumomo didn't get picked for simulcast though (seemed like an easy pick), same could be said for the fact that the new Tenchi OVA(s) aren't getting the amount of attention I expected them to get.

>>155486861
>Some CR TLs are brilliant (see Gabriel and Seiren)
>Gabriel
>brilliant
I don't think you should touch any subs at all.

CR and Netflix happens. They provide fast and easy access to your chinese cartoon which is very appealing for normal folks. This is not the 00's grandpa, streaming is better and more efficient now.

>>155497082
>streaming is better and more efficient now.
Unfortunately, not everyone of us can eat shit like you do without vomiting

>>155497082
But at what cost? Yes, it's more efficient, but it's also a tad shitter isn't it?

>>155497082
>streaming is better and more efficient now
But it's still worse than a good encode with good subs.
I know I know, normalfags don't care and they make the bulk of the (actual) paying market.

>>155486861
>Some CR TLs are brilliant (see Gabriel and Seiren)

>Gabriel subs
>brilliant
Please just stop doing subs for the rest of your life. It's for the greater good.

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This is a real cap. Fuck Daiz and the rest of you who download HS rips. Dipshits

>>155487370
There isn't and never was hate for fansubs.
People stopped doing fansubs because they got outcompeted by CR.
Crunchyroll has actual business relationships with the Japanese companies, letting them get the scripts early and release subs at the same time the show airs instead of days/weeks later.
Most people absolutely prioritize speed, and will watch the CR subs now rather than the fansubs released in a few days.

The whole point of doing fansubs is for worthless internet epeen (you sure as hell don't make any money off of it). If everyone is watching CR rips instead of your subs, you don't get enough epeen to motivate you to keep doing the hard work of translating.

>>155498842

It is true.

I can't complain too much, official simulcasts + fansubs pick up a higher percentage of anime than fansubs alone did in the days before subbed simulcasts. The stuff CR misses still often gets fansubbers, and we always complained about "subs fucking where".

Besides, it's not current anime I want to complain about. I wish we had more than one fucking sub group (and a pretty slow one) working on '70s and '80s shows.

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>>155499244
Fuck off, Daiz.

>>155498842
>2010

Legit anime streaming hadn't been big for even two years at that point. Back then I was still optimistic that they would actually improve and even surpass fansubs one day, because honestly, they have all the cards they need to do that.

Sadly that day has never come, and I grow more and more pessimistic about it as the years go by.

Also note that "CR rippers" in the context of that post doesn't refer to direct rips like HS but groups that use simulcast subs/video as a base and improve on that.

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>fansub shitter SPECIAL EFFECTS subs

Glad this garbage is over.

>>155501753
Lick my balls with your reddit spacing. And you should stay there. You've done nothing but plague us real anime watchers. You're half responsible for this mess. Praise the new era of casual fans.

>>155502007
>anime watcher
>/a/
kek

Same with light novel translations
But that went into the forbidden machine translation or chinese fucks that can't write to save their lives lands.

>>155502435
I'm convinced the reason that the later Haruhi books are so inpenetrable isn't because the story got more complicated, the fantranslaters just stopped giving a shit about coherent sentences

>>155502435
The worst part about LN translations is that the people who typically read these aren't the sort who read books normally. So they're more than happy to accept sentences and grammar that'd earn a C- at best in highschool english.

I mean it's not like LNs are well written in the first place. But still, people are happy enough to gobble up shit.

People lament how they wish groups would work on old shows, but what old shows do you actually want subbed (that have easy-access raws)?

Christ I remember when we had to wait a year for the rest of the Hyouge Mono episodes, and then it finally got picked up by Doki. We kept having "any minute now" threads. Good times.

>>155502007
>reddit spacing
Stop trying to fit in, newfag.

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Overlocalizing was a mistake. You guys shat so hard on TL Notes that even useful ones god stigmatized.

RIP in pieces, anime, welcome, Japanese cartoons.

>>155504701
it also has to do with translators themselves being too stubborn to add in notes even when it would be relevant

>>155496142
>>155496042
Stop, you're making miss all those faggots of the past.

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>>155505043

Where's my Patalliro subs?

>>155496142
Wait, Commie died?

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>>155504701
This.

You guys went too far.

>>155505208
I really don't miss those idiotic rationalization those faggots keep trying to make

>>155504952
I kind of miss the Great Fansub Wars of ye olden /a/.

>>155504952
>You... Fridge! Arigatou!
Every time

Say what you want about gg, their subs made shows extra fun. It was always worth it to wait a couple days to get them.

Does DameDame still do subs?
Their Log horizon was such a great experience

FIrst time I check on /a/ in years and all of a sudden fansubs are dead? Who's still left?

>>155505538
Not at all if you actually cared about the show.
Also it's only fun for like an episode, then it's just boring or annoying.

>>155505787
Shut the fuck up idiot. Take your shit opinions to leddit.

>>155506277
I think you're on the wrong side of the border, hombre.

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>>155479238
To fully enjoy anime, one must speak and understand English, Japanese, and at least basic German. One must also read and understand the history of both America and Japan. If you don't do the above, you are a pseud, and will never enjoy anime to the same depth as I or any other enlightened. If you don't know of Perry or of the different rice kingdoms, you are unenlightened.

>>155485048
Over half of the obscure shorts each season

>>155505538

do not like being reminded of 4chan vernacular while watching anime

>>155505208
Actually, this reminds me I don't miss fansubber drama, and I surely don't miss memesubs.

CR overcentralizing is a problem, but it's still better now than it was before.

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>>155506729
How could you not miss massaging the egos of fansubbers and validating their petty squabbles over the internet?

>>155506729
Don't worry, scanlation drama is still alive and well!

>>155506881
>Ryuumaru
F

Sucks they just got up and died one day with no explanation. I actually liked them.

>>155504952

Never forget how Yokkyun tried to save us from The Great Death

>>155506881
I'm still of the firm belief that this chart was totally made up

>>155507202
>implying the Cartel wasn't real and that it was Triad pulling all the strings

>>155507310
>The cartel was so effective it has driven everyone, including themselves, out of business
Sasuga.

>>155506881

How many still relevant? or at least alive?

>>155507464

You know, this is actually the best to ever happen to the scene. Removing what ephemeral "power" they had, it's not like we don't bitch about localization anymore.

>>155484241
More like nobody will pick them up because if they get subbed and they aren't up to the standard of the tracker cunts they will get called names by 30 years old anime nerds

>>155479238
People who actually like anime and don't just sit around shitposting and fapping all day just got better at understanding the language and no longer need/care for "quality translations" so they stopped making them.

How hard are you guys gonna cry when it turns out HS was a joint effort from Funi/CR/Daisuki to run fansubbers out of the hobby and the magical ripper ends up disappearing?

All you fucks are putting all your eggs in the same basket when you keep downloading HS.

First time I saw Evangelion was some lousy fansub on fucking Veoh.

>>155496650

It's hard to do either when you're directly competing against same-day companies like Crunchyroll.

You either spend a shit-ton of effort to push out mid/low-quality subs a few hours after airing every week for three months or wait a few days/weeks for high-quality subs that no one will ever see.

>>155509973
I think pretty much everyone long since realized this. But what are you gonna do?

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I miss Hadena so many.

>>155510376
Stop downloading HS.

>>155510455
And do what instead? Pay Crunchy?

>>155510471
Download fansubs, stupid.

Fansubers' interest would flourish again if people downloaded their stuff.

>>155510532
You mean the fabsubs that are quickly dwindling away into nothing? With less and less choices every new season?

>>155510532
Most shit doesn't get fansubbed, and more often than not the "fansubs" that do exist are just CrunchyRoll Rencodes.

>>155479238
>>155482038
>>155480857
>>155480806

Retards. All of you, retards. There is no dead or alive to fansubbing.

Fansubs exist because of a lack of official subs. Especially a lack of timely official subs. That's the only reason. Fansubs still tend to show up for anything without timely official subs for anything reasonably interesting.

It's not even an anime-specific concept. It's always been like this.

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>>155502007
You know Daiz didn't actually kill robin williams right?
>>155484954

>>155510759
Nice try, Daiz

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>>155485048
Joshiraku

>>155510804
Unfunny shit.

>>155510878
Your power level is just low.

>>155485048
Little Witch Academia

>>155510910
Netflix is financing the show.

>>155497082
And this just proves that casuals and weeaboos have successfully ruined anime just as much as normalfags ruined videogames.

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>>155511059
>lack of shitty subs have successfully ruined anime
Why not just learn japanese you weaaboo casual scum?

>>155510910
and it failing since westerners funded the series before and the nips know that

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>>155511158
I can't learn Japanese.

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Is funimation dead? Funimation is terrible.

>>155511802

Nah, I think they partnered with CR, they are still dubbing series.

>>155510743
there's tons of stuff that never gets fansubs or only gets terrible fansubs by some pinoy "translating" j>c>s>e. the strike witches ovas have been out for years and still only have machine tl subs because people decided it was good enough.

>>155512767
That would explain the most recent dip in CR sub quality

>>155513093
I think they only do dubs and physicals though.

The dip is former fansubbers losing the flame after being molded into squares in the corporate world.

>>155510532
I would use fansubs if I didn't have to worry about you fucks spoiling me on everything.

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>tfw crunchyroll never picked up the obscure short you wanted to watch
>initially subbed by one person ironically because they thought it sucked
>another person subbed it for the same reason
>subs died because "the other person will do it"

>>155484954
Is this the /a/ version of the Bogdanoff Rundown?

Fansubbing is far from dead, it's just radically changed.

Now it gets the privilege of standing on the shoulders of CR. No longer do fan subbers need to waste their time timing and subbing the episodes manually themselves. Now all they need to do is rip the sub file from HS releases, remove memes, edit the translations ever so slightly to their liking, add their preferred Typesetting style, add TL Notes if applicable, and maybe gussy up the OP with sing along style visuals.

CR is doing 95% of the work themselves. I only ever see maybe, MAYBE 10 points of contention with their translation s, even in the memiest of titles.

Using their effort as a foundation allows fans the best of both worlds in terms of speed and quality. Fan subbing isn't dead. It's better than it's ever been before.

Y'know, theoretically.

>>155510532
Ladies and gentlemen, a newfag.

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Squid-puns were a hell of a ride degeso.

Remember Elitistfags?

Operation Transport Raws:

>One computer located in Tokyo, in an appropriate area where you can get all the regular channels as well as TVK and Teletama. Needs to be in a building where it's possible to mount satellite dishes. Must have 100mbit internet.
>One computer located in Osaka. Must have 100mbit internet.
>Two PT2 tuner cards, one Friio and one DVB-S2 USB tuner, as well as various signal amplifiers, antennas, satellite dishes, card readers and other tools, total cost most likely not less than $1500 USD
>A distro server with at least 400GB of extremely fast RAID disk, a gigabit internet connection and at the very least 50TB of transfer per month (that's an average of around 20MB/s 24/7).
>Various TV subscriptions.

>>155484954
Man looking back on some of this shit just makes me remember all of those times with /a/.

>>155514008
>Y'know, theoretically
;_;

>>155514329

>not having $200/month to dedicate exclusively to saving anime

>>155513356
No, the Daiz picture surfaced in 2010 iirc and has been amended through the years
Bogdanoff started last year on /tv/

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I miss mendoi-conclave.

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>>155484954
That Daiz fellow seems like a war criminal in the making.

>>155516305
In the making?
He's already a demon

>>155511205
>failing
by what metric is it failing? BD sales haven't been published since vol 1 comes out this month, and if the financial backing they got on their crowdfunding crap, and the netflix backing is taken into account, I'm pretty sure they'll make money.

>>155487336
He was here a month or two ago. Whenever that gabdro episode with the godawful translation of itadakimasu to "in the name of the dark lord, amen" happened.

>>155517128
>He was here a month or two ago

Also in this very thread: >>155501753

>>155516426
Through the Dark Lord, amen

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>>155513181

>>155479238
Sub teams trying to compete with crunchyroll, instead of moving on stuff that never get translated like OVAs or movies.

>>155479599
fuck them

>>155501837
Fuck off, those were amazing.

>>155501837
instead we have no subs for opening/endings

>>155521204
Add shitty typesetting into that too.