Kemono Friends

hory shet

TATSUKI IS GOD

NEED SUBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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>>155444714
>>155444859
>>155444868

Believe in Tatsuki.

Well, uh

subs?

Who and why made this?

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>came home from midnight class
>knowing there won't be no new friends today
>this shit happens

life is good. Truly the prophet of anime.

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>makes more content just because
>it's Fennec and Arai-san
What a glorious motherfucker

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>yokatta ne, arai-san~

>made it during a break
What the fuck Tatsuki

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>KEMONO MEANS ANIMAL

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>>155444714
Here's the whole thing off of youtube
http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/mZcDOYDJ/file.html

raw, duh

Let this be a lesson to you all.

Never stop believing in Tatsuki.

>>155444960
it's basically an omake made by the studio

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Thank goodness I waited for 5 minutes.

If this was a jew studio, it would have been bundled on first BD volume

Anime was saved again for just a little while longer.

So Arai-san and Fennec confirmed to be on the bus?

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>>155444714
>show ends
>still welcome to youkoso a week after
It's a warm kind of feeling.

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Fuck. Kemono Friends cannot stop winning.
This might become AOTS of Spring 2017 as things stand.

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New Subs

[HorribleSubs] Kemono Friends - 13 [720p].mkv

>>155445098
I honestly can't tell. My nip is too poor.

Assuming this takes place before the ending and they're still fixing the bus, then it seems like "definitely" since that car they got was a paddle car, like the other half of the bus boat.

>>155445098
It seems more like they went later after them.

>confused about why Episode 13 is trending
>what the fuck
>oh fuck guys we can't disappoint them now
>gets 4 VAs and whips up a short within the day

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>>155444714
Oh my god that smug
>yokatta ne arai san

>>155444714
wait

WHAT
THE
FUUUUCKKK


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>155445148
https://my.mixtape.moe/udghrf.mp4

>>155445163
Tatsuki can make Kemono Friends just on just random toaster with VA grabbed from the streets. Nothing can stop him from doing more Kemono Friends. Nothing.

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What a based madman, literally did it for free during his break

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The series ending depressing has been put off for one more week.

https://twitter.com/fukuhara_ystd/status/849263088876503040

>>155445098
We just don't know. But it's confirmed that serval is not alone in that bus because you need someone to pedal it

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>>155444714
Thank you Tatsuki, thank you studio, thank you seiyuus! Keep this up and you have the whole world in your pocket in no time.

Doing it right, hyping the hype while the hype is still being hyped.

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>>155444714
Why are raccoon and fennec so forced?

I cant watch this without subs

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>>155444714
>>155445325
This man is saving anime for free.

>>155445156
The tires are fucked from the Cerulean chase, owls send them to go look for more. It's before anyone leaves.

>>155445006
>VA dubbed something that is done during a break
What the fuck Tatsuki

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>>155445322

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>>155444714
WHY STOP? JUST CONTINUE

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Pun on バス and　すてき?

>>155445378
I bet he just quickly jotted the script with Yoshizaki Mine over some coffee shop and then he asked the VAs to read them as he sent them text messages.

Alright, that really makes me believe S2 will come fast and will be good.

>>155445403
TEKI as in 'something like'

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出発！なのだ！

>>155445322
And the fact that Kaban screamed MINNA.

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>よろしければ難民キャンプの１つとしてお使い下さい。

https://www.youtube.com/embed/lh_GcdBamD4

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>>155445427
Well, heck.

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Guys, I can't get enough of that smug fox.

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Fucking hell, they can just do EP13 without negotiating for a TV broadcast slot

>>155445479
What is this? I need this in my life.

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Still willing to make the .ass file if anyone's going to translate, though I'll be heading to bed pretty soon.

And then you realize Kamono Friends is one of the few to get this treatment.

Based Tatsuki.

>>155445528
Tatsuki just doesn't give a fuck anymore. He can do Kemono Friends anytime he wants and then put it up on Youtube and Nicovideo and Twitter without giving a shit about broadcast slot.

>>155444961
> Having class at midnight
What the hell.

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>>155444714
YES

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>But Arai-san, you've been walking here and there too much.. [Your] sandstar is already...

I can't believe Arai-san is fucking dead.

>Everyone praising Tatsuki
>No one praises Fennec VA, Arai-san VA, the animators and everyone else involved on the production of these 3 minutes

Why are you guys such jerks?

Wasse wasse wasse wasse wasse

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>>155445602
I am not ready for this dose of Tofu.

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Smart girls in tights

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https://youtu.be/lh_GcdBamD4?t=1m27s

>Arai-san is doing the Raccoon's washing hands motion.
Cute.

>>155445528

Subs in 5 minutes

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>Kemono Friends is so good that even when it ends it doesn't end
Literally transcending the medium. And people wonder why this is AOTD

>>155445532
Probably just a one-off image.

(Also, note the Twitter filename. Twitter is annoying to use for images, though.)

>Arai rubbing hands like a jew

>>155445583
>>155445528

I hope he doesn't get into trouble.

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>>155445602
She just need the smugfox to polish her to make her pika pika again

>>155445614
You got to understand, Tatsuki's responsible for the script and essentially almost everything except for VA. He only has 3-5 animators, top.

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>>155445626
How does it feels knowing S2 won't feature the owls?

>>155445639
STOP IT

>Internet: Tatsuki give us more Kemono Friends!
>Tatsuki: Sure.
What a madman.

>>155445676
Still not everything. The nameless collaborators deserve praise too.

>>155444961

I have class around night, come back home around 2300 to 0100 almost everyday. Seeing this is a pleasure.

I want to sodomize Serval.

>>155445532
Advertisement for a 10 page doujin on Japariket

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>>155445590
I'm in postgrad, it's done at night.

>>155445455
> Use this as a refugee camp if you please

>>155445676
>Tatsuki visibly improving his humble yet effective skillset as the anime progresses
>can generate content even faster than before
I feel like this anime is going even further beyond. Could this be the first legendary.. Super Anime?

>>155445614
See >>155445325

>>155445245
>it becomes a weekly thing
>they will repair the bus over 10 mini episodes

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I'm in love with this fox.

>>155445614
Tatsuki is a living meme at this point.

>>155445628

Subs when ?

>>155445771
Grad school where I am is still during daytime hours, professors don't want to keep grad student hours.

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>>155444714
This made my day.

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>>155445696

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>>155445676
5animators at the credit

Look at the wheel color. The attention to detail is S+

>>155445803
Damn you don't get my hopes up

>>155445658
Like a raccoon, you mean.

>>155445781
>improving his skillset
He's always been a great director and CG expert. He just probably wasn't able to do as much as he wanted on this show initially.

>>155445771
>/c/ and /an/
/can/ made for a perfect friendship, after all.

>>155445858
Fucking hell I didn't even notice.

>>155445804
>she'll never whisper yokatta ne anon-kun into your ear as you rest on her lap

>>155445883
You aren't born a great director, anon, you become one.

>>155445771
Why is Jaguar /sci/?

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>>155445858

>>155445614
I thanked all of them on twitter and youtube.

Tatsuki is the creative force, though.

>>155445887
I miss /can/ already, it was the best joke board.

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>>155445803
This please.

>>155445804
Too smug?

"12.1" feels like it confirms that the next project is season 2.

>>155445928
This is his first gig as a main director. He isn't actually the main guy for Tesabu. But damm, what he is doing now is freaking legendary.

>>155445984
Fuck yeah honey badger

>>155445628
yeah caught that

adorable, I'll webm it if no one else does; though I'm eating at the moment

>>155446000
Nobody has ever done this. It's impossible for a traditional 2D anime to ever get this kind of content done at a whim.

>Fans is left devastated after the show ends and deluded each other on twitter by saying there is an ep 13
>Tatsuki delivers anyways.

How can a man be so based.

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Where are they going?

>>155446000
Yeah, but it's not like he could be so great when he just started, you can only become good by doing and having the right mindset.

>>155446051
My pants.

>>155445771
Jaguar is /trv/
Owls are /sci/
Sand Cat is /vip/

>>155445771
Swap Hululu and Emprah.

>>155446035
That's why people shouldn't be dismissive about the whole 3Dcg thing. Anime is in parts still a growing medium with amazing possibilities.

>>155445696
a bit miserable

>the show has ended they said
>we should stop these thread they said
>watch the new season they said
How can one Tatsuki be so based.

So do you all believe Nanashi's claim that it really cost around $20,000 per episode of Kemono Friends by now?

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>it's only been one fucking week since the show ended

>a mini episode is already out

Jesus christ, if kemono friends is proving CG has it's merits then it's this mini episode right here.

Best thing is that this was made during his break.

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>>155446076

>>155446112
Because Yoshizaki Mine and Tatsuki and that Kadokawa guy wanted to make a franchise that will last 100 years.

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>>155446051
The love hotel.

tatsuki is god

>People were disappointed it was over but were accepting of it
>Tatsuki does this
>Now people will expect more next week
>There won't be more
>It'll be truly over and the disappointment will be 100 times stronger because they were given a sliver of hope and a taste of what it would be if it continued

Was it worth it?

>>155446135
>Kemono Friends will not end in your lifetime.

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Wrestling episode when?

>>155446138
That's a good crossover.

>>155446138
If only, anon, if only.
But knowing that the director for Arc V is also the director for Symphogay I have abandoned all hope already.

>>155446079
>Sand Cat is /vip/
If not for /u/ or /jp/, it should be Margay.

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How can a director be so fucking based?

>>155446079
>>Owls are /sci/
not even close

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>dude

>>155446194
Everyone was excited over /vip/ for one day, then immediately got bored with it.

>>155445696
Y-you don't know that!

>>155446228
>japariman

>>155445771
>>155446079
>>155446211
Shouldn't owls be /lit/?

>>155446247
Oh, I guess that makes sense.

>>155446263
/ck/ is the right answer
>loves food
>can't cook

>>155446263
Owls are the caretakers of knowledge and facts, but not so much the wisdom to apply it or the artistry of the written word.

>>155445696
The opposite of tanoshii.

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ONCE YOU GOTO JAPARI PARK, YOU NEVER LEAVE.

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>>155444714
I can't fucking believe he's doing it FOR FREE, based.

>>155445951
It's the most wakaran board.

>>155446116
Well just like even a cheap tv show there are many factors
>VAs
>sound recording&processing
>director
>animators
>booking studio/musician for music
>op/ed songs with their respective costs
>marketing
>soft&hardware for animation
>sound mixing
etc etc these people all get wages

>>155446059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONEgZRzm2E
His youtube channel has his original work few years back

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Soon.

>>155446283
KEK

>>155446313
That's assuming it is literally impossible for one person to take on more than one role. Role compression is a thing.

>>155445980
But /can/ is still alive? Well not alive as in active seeing the last post was made one day ago, but the board is still there, yeah?

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https://twitter.com/hirenko_luou/status/849305645132259330
yep, they changed the wheel and nobody fucking noticed

I've half the mind to believe they planned on doing this .1 episode.

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I was just start to let go of this series and this happens! Tatsuki is a Friend who specializing in being SUGOI!

Arai-san finally did the raccoon hand rubbing thing. That was cute. Also that
>Arai-san
is like music to my ears.

This episode pretty much confirms Arai-san and Fennec are the ones in Serval's water cart, right?

Also, sub friends when

>>155446387
All mergers are still there. Just hidden.

TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS
TATSUKI IS GENIUS

>>155446388
>10 mini ep of Fennec and Arai journey together to get the bus fix when.

>>155446379
Also, many of those things have to be done just once.

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>>155445858
>>155446388
How deep does the rabbit hole go?

>>155446187
To be fair Anno seems to only care about coreography than actual plot, and Arc V did have some nice stuff like the Sergey part in those regards

>>155446035
It's impossible for 3d too. It generally takes longer to do 3d animation than 2d for character stuff. 3d is less labour intensive and less skill-dependent at this level but it's not any quicker.

>>155446410
I know, was just pointing that out since anon's post implies he thinks the merged boards are dead.

>>155446410
Can't post though.

Fennec mentions Araisan's sandstar, does anyone have good guesses at what it means?

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>>155445858
>>155446388

JAPARI RUSE CRUISE GENTS

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https://twitter.com/ayanagi/status/849308748539723776

>>155446388
THIS FUCKING ANIME
CHRIST

>サンドスターはもう。。。
What did she mean by this?

>>155446135
We are here forever.

>>155445602
It just means she's hungry. The VA bullying never stops.

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COUR LIMIT TOPPA
CHOU GINGA KEMONO LAGANN

WHO THE HELL WANTS TO BE OUR FRIENDS!?

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>Okay, you two, you're looking for this.
>You need to find ones that aren't bent.
>We can't just use them like that?
>For now, does a boat even need use at all?
>They'll need them when they get to land. Use your head.
>Use your head. Have you been eating properly?
>Gununu~! Arai-san is totally fine about that!
>We're always ready to go if it's for Kaban-san, but where do we even find something like that?
>We have seen several similar buses around the island. Start by searching there.
>Searching there. Make sure to look and check they're properly round.
>Leave it to me! I'll be sure to find a sparkly new one!
>Oh, but Arai-san, we've already walked too much getting here, and the Sandstar is already...
>It can't be helped. There is a bus-like object in the amusement park.
>We will lend you a bus-like object. We shall head there immediately.
>What's this!? Arai-san gets to ride a bus too!?
>Oh, how nice, Arai-san.
>Ohh!
>How impressive.
>This size should be enough for you two.
>>With this size, your legs should reach. Since you're small.
>You're just as small, Assistant...
>Let's go なのだ!
>Kaaaay.
>...It's not much better than just walking.　Are they going to make it, Professor?
>Well, I guess we'll just have to believe in their fighting spirit. It will be fine, Assistant.
>And with that, everything is mostly taken care of. Goodness, it's not easy being chief.
>As chiefs, we should help ourselves to extras at dinner. Goodness.
>Will you be enjoying Kaban's cooking again, Professor?
>Indeed, we should drop in to oversee the cooking now, Assistant.

>>155444714
Arai-san's so stupid it's almost erotic.

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I've always believed in Tatsuki. When many people were expecting the worst after 11 episode, I was sure that Tatsuki will deliver that happy ending. And he delivered! AND NOW THIS!
PRAISE OUR GOD

>>155446171
"Wrestling", like in those muscular gentlemen videos.

>>155446379
True, I was assuming that by "the director did 95%" it meant that he personally oversees most things. Even based Tatsuki wouldn't be able to have enough time outside of directing and animating.

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The kemono friends ride never ends

>>155446564
Thanks. If no one else has done it in 5 minutes, I'll start timing.

>>155446579
Forgive me for being that guy, but where does Tatsuki = Moose comes from?

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>>155446564
BASED SUBS FRIEND

>>155446121
I'm losing it ;_;

>>155446564
Thank you

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>>155446388
THE DEEPEST LORE

>>155446620
The OP.

>>155446564
where are you .ass anon

>>155446564
So many baseness within these 5 minutes! I can't handle this!

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>>155446595
Since KemoFure basically resurrected the MAD scene, why not?

>>155446579
When people talk about tatsuki they always post moose-chan why?

>>155446161
You don't believe in Tatsuki enough. Kemono Friends is now effect a spring 2017 anime.

>>155446564
ARAI-SAN AND FENNEC MEGA CONFIRMED FOR SEASON 2

>>155446620
https://my.mixtape.moe/pslbou.webm
Similar philosophy in life.

>>155446116
It's believable. Most of that money comes from the voice recording. No matter how inexpensive the actual animation is, a recording studio and group of actors will always cost at least 5 digits.

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>>155446564
i suk ya dik

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Arai-saan~

>>155446669
My god this image.

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>>155446564
It is time. Give me your best tofu

Sandstar = MP?
Sandstar = lifeforce?
Did they seal off the sandstar with tablet and they are affecting the current friends?

>>155446564
FIVE MINUTES UNTIL SUBS

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>>155446671
>>155446620

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>>155446564
>>Oh, but Arai-san, we've already walked too much getting here, and the Sandstar is already...
What do they mean by this?

>Indeed, we should drop in to oversee the cooking now, Assistant.
WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THIS

>>155446734
welcome newfriend!

>>155446742
Their body is made of Sandstar stuff just as it is with Cerulean. I wouldn't be too surprised.

>>155446717
>junior seiyuu
>being paid more than 10k yen an episode

>>155446742
So if they use too much wild release they burn up all their sandstar energy and turn back into animals themselves?

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>Hakase and Mimi-chan won't appear for S2

Fuck this

>>155446564
>>Oh, but Arai-san, we've already walked too much getting here, and the Sandstar is already...
WHAT

WHAT!!??!

WHAT IS IT WHAT DO YOU MEAN

Alright, there are credits in the description of the video so Tatsuki didn't actually make this by himself.
1 animator, 1 background guy, one photography guy, music man, 4 VAs and like 5 sound guys.

>>155446834
SHES DYING ANON

>>155446786
But the filter is only for those black particles normal sandstar seems to be unaffected

>>155446742
Gthe black shit is referred to as sandstar low

the thing they put over the volcano is referred to as a filter, not a cover

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>>155446714
>>155446662
Thanks, I see it now.

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>>155446834

>>155445696
They are kashikoi, they will find a way.

>>155446781
the second is simple, they're literally going to see Kaban who is cooking for them right now

this is during the time skip between the battle with the black cerulean and the amusement park party

the first, no fucking idea

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Guys?

>>155446872
there it goes again

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>>155446872
>2 minute fucking video

>it's already trending in nip land

jesus christ

アニメマシテ
MCが秦佐和子×田辺留依に交替！
アニメ「けものフレンズ」より尾崎由香、本宮佳奈、小野早稀がスタジオに登場！
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awugdDtVuqM

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>>155446872
>tatsuki trending

Transcending history and the world; a tale of girls and friends, eternally retold.

>>155446909
What are you screencapping there?

>Kemono Friends in 1940
http://animation.filmarchives.jp/works/playen/5141

>>155446564
Thank you.

>>155446935
TO LOVE!

TO SHINE!

>>155446680

You sure we're getting more episodes? I'm up for it if we're gonna get 2 minute episodes every week but if not the withdrawal is gonna be a bitch.

>>155446940
Taiga screenshot, its a tool that tracks all anime. If you search for Kemono Friends, you get the original 12 episode run and this.
Is episode 12.1 part of this and it was planned already or what gives?

>>155446943
old 'toons/anime never fail to creep me the fuck out

>>155447014
Dunno, of course.

But, it's interesting in the first place that that says "TV"

>>155447006
Episode 2.11 in five minutes.

>>155446564
https://my.mixtape.moe/bmxpbw.webm

>>155447021
早い！

>>155446834
Sandstar is stamina bar, they need to recover it.

>>155447021
who drew it?

>>155447047
It's the info from MAL. And there is no info on MAL aside from poster.

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Black Serval friend.

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Season 2's pretty short, but it was still really good. When's season 3?

>>155447093
https://twitter.com/yukimipark/status/849313510802763776

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>>155446922

Could someone make a webm out of this? I can't seem to get my usual converter to work.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62181603

It's sfw, no lewd.

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>>155447148
thanks!

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>>155444714

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This is going to be made into another MAD

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I can't believe. Kemono Friends isn't dead!

>>155447198
HEH HEH HEH

TIME TO FEEL UP SOME CARS NANO DA

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Need a webm.

With [muffled rap music playing in the distance]

apology for poor english

when were you when kemono friends became legend like dragon ball z?

i was sat at home petting home animal when friend called me

‘tatsuki is god’

‘sugoi’

>>155446717
5 digits in japanese yen is nothing anon. Hell I had an equivalent of 20 thousand yen sitting in my wallet as we speak

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30968065

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See? You just had to BELIEVE!

>>155447222
WHY IS SMUG NOT LOOKING SMUG?!

>>155447235
I was and still am sitting at my university in a class

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If any drawfags are present im requesting a Kaban version of pic related.

the show must go on.

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>>155447222
I can't into anything more than this.

>>155447198
Somebody is going to add mosaic blur to this.

omg...

>>155447305
Wait, two wheels?

I don't have fun outside. Is this normal for little peddle cars?

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>>155447261
She is concentrating on the road like a responsible driver.

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>Other series always have "Episode 14 airing today ;_;" threads
>Kemono Friends actually gets one

SAVING

ANIME

>>155447305
>what is love

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>>155447370
We haven't left Japari Park after all.

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>>155444714
God bless this man.

but will we get another video next tuesday?

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>>155447148
Holy shit, I've been following this persons main account for ages, how did I not notice this account existed?

>>155446564
Enjoy. Still uploading it in MKV format for the lazy.
https://mega.nz/#!ExckWCaB!DNKOA89J4-T1szkYFYR3za_T9zmtSTOW8RMrNMo2JqM

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>>155447346
Legit

>>155446564
Based

>>155447305
Loop it, make it 3x faster and add What is love or something as memetic

>>155447387
baby don't hurt me

>>155447346
Those two wheels are usually connected. If you move one the other moves as well.

>>155447346
Yeah, those things exist in amusement park

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>>155447422

>>155447424
>>155447440
>>155447454
neat

>>155446781
>>155446834
Sandstar is probably what cockblocks you in the mobage from play too many matches in a row, the timer bar you know.

>>155447422
Thank you

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>>155446579
Tatsuki: Moose :: Mine : Lion ?

>>155447407
This man saved my soul twice.

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>>155444714
so based

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>>155447173

My guess is that those were planned and recorded as BD bonuses but studio ran out of time to finish them in time for BDs coming out, so now that Tatsuki got some sleep he got to finish them.
There's no way they just made that shit on the spot.

>>155447422
sankyuu

>>155447354
This. Don't smug and drive.

>>155447422
your raw is here, anons >>155445030

>>155447527
Don't question, just believe.

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Driver's High

>>155447490
Kadokawa: Jaguar?

>>155447527
I don't think so. The reason for that is that Guide book vol 6 could've easily included it, and that the sales model is one where the BD is the bonus to the guide book.

It's dottan battan oosawagi time

>>155447527
Heretic

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>>155447554

>>155445030
>>155447422
BASED

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This sentence doesn't seem to make sense.

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>>155446922
>10:38
God, that's adorable.

>>155447527
Unlikely. If it was the case the short video would have been tied with episode 1 or 2.

>>155447476
I was thinking about this, too. Are there any anons who played the game to confirm or deny this?

>>155447429
I need this in my life!

>>155447618
Does a boat even need wheel
Don't be a happy meal or arai-san, edit it with your atama

>>155447618
They're asking why the bus needs wheels if they're going to make it a boat

>>155447422
Just realized I typed "need use" instead of "need those" in the fourth line. Might as well fix it, if you haven't already started uploading.

>>155447554
That's a small steering

>>155447235
I was browsing 4chan and then whoa. Now I'm drinking tea and praising our gods.

>>155447702
for you

>>155447640
wut

>>155444714
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>155447702
She's a small girl

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>>155444714
>new episode comes out
>not available through CR
>instantaneous Youtube and Nico release

Why does Kemono Friends keep getting better and better?

https://streamable.com/b141r

Is this real?

>>155447768
for you

>>155447755
i assume Kaban's feet smell and Serval was disgusted

>>155444714
あああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ！！！

So is this the AOTS of spring 2017?

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>>155447743
>>155447789

>>155447798
>>155447640

Her face cracks me up.

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On Episode 13.

>>155447755
Mildly based on a video of a cat that smelled its owner's feet.

>>155447785
I assume you forgot what months this is.

>>155447829
This is AOTD already.

>>155447829
Pretty much. Next episode is cooking episode

>>155447422
>>155447671
On that note, pretty sure Fennec says
"Professor and Assistant are just as small..."
instead of just
"You're just as small, Assistant..."

Pretty sure I heard a "Hakase" at the start

>>155447774
Anime is saved to a whole new level.

>>155447829
AOTY

>>155446922
CUTE

>>155447785
I wish

>>155447173
if you have ffmpeg, you can just download the zip of images and convert it

ffmpeg -framerate 15 -y -i "%%06d.jpg" -threads 8 -codec copy output.mp4

>>155447829
12.2 next week m8

>>155447755
Imagine the stench after weeks without a washer.

>>155447859
Is "You two are just as small though..." a good way to phrase it then?

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What a tease

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>>155447774
(Kaban version of this when?)

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Dafug? Dolphin?

>>155447935
yeah

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>>155447946
I don't even

>>155447916
Why would toddlers need education though? They are essentially NEETs.

>>155447829
AOTD if not AOTY