What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?

>>155392879
>vulvarave
it's vulvarape

eru erufu was such a best boi

They were both hilarious trainwrecks but Code Geass came at a very special time and was much earlier in its arrival.

Smelly
NEET
Pussy

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I miss Valvrave.
All the speculation was great, the hype was better than the actual show.

>>155395682
>the hype was better than the actual show
Nothing beats the rape.

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>>155396000
I remember that explosion of threads fondly.

>>155396043
Pure love.

>>155392879
First season was a clusterfuck of scenes existing just for shock value.
The second season tried to sew everything up together, but in doing so become boring.
MC was very weak.

>>155392879
I dropped it in episode one. If it was going to try to be the next Code Geass the least it could have done was make a memorable first episode.

>>155396043
Post webm pls

>>155392879
>immortal space zombie body stealing mecha pilots

let that sentence sink in for a bit and you have all the answer you need.

It's just as bad as Code Geass, so it succeeded in being the next Code Geass.

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>>155397540
>zombie
Vampire.

>>155392879
Because it is a lot worse. The first season of CG is pretty good except for the asspull Euphemia thing.

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>>155396043
I was there.
A full 2500+ posts in just 30 minutes. Fucking majestic.

>>155392879
All of the tweest were just forced for shock value and were resolved with some sort of copouts without any impact on the story and the characters. Midway through the first season it just stagnated. It had no unexpected plot developments or interesting character interactions, nothing to make you want to keep watching.

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>>155396043
>>155396000
>>155395682
>not even remembering the best part of season 1

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>>155400892
I want to get back on the rave train.

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>>155400928
>>155400892

>>155392879
>What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?

Saki didn't accept the marriage proposal.

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This show was amazing

Unfortunately geass had already done what it did before it, and unlike geass there was no actual plot that the twists were attached to so there wasn't much reason to keep following it beyond watching the train crash

>>155401245
Season 1 was decent but Season 2 was an absolute clusterfuck of nonsense and Haruto was so unlikable its the main reason why he was killed off. Add in the cancerous Sakifags vs Shokofags, fujoshits and faggots sucking L-Elfs dick and how they ruined several others characters compressed 2-cours into 1-cour for the sake of leaving no loose ends left a bile aftertaste in my mouth.

Show had promise and squandered it for shock value.

I doubt there will be another Code Geass that is just as fun as Code Geass. There will probably be attempts to make a Code Geass but better but that will take away some of the fun. If they can make a MC like Lelouch they are already half way there. I hope it can happen it the next four or five years.

>>155392879
Because other than l-elf, I couldn't give a damn about the characters. Haruto basically doesn't have personality, Shoko is basically a prize for him to fight for. Kyuma is a greedy bastard, Akira does jack all for most of the first season, and Saki is just plain inconsistent.

With code geass, everything was a larger than life spectacle, a grand drama played out of the world stage, an ultimate opera telling a legendary epic. Say what you will about Lelouch but damned if he wasn't fun to watch. Say what you will about Suzaku and Kallen but their battles were EPIC. Even Shirley's arc was twinged with bittersweet tradgety.

Season 2 happened and instead of actually doing insane 200 year timeskips they went to Earth for half the season, for no fucking reason.

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Absolutely nothing

>>155402284
Shirley was one of my favorite characters. I hope she is reborn.
Overall, just by being good enough story while having interesting characters made it possible to be remembered. The emotional attachment to some character or seeing how it all played out was worth it in the end of season two even if it fell apart in season 2. Honestly, everyone has watched great or excellent anime that trump it but the feeling Code Geass gives people will probably will be stronger.

What DIDN'T go wrong?

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>>155401245
>there was no actual plot that the twists were attached to

>>155401387
>Haruto was so unlikable its the main reason why he was killed off

>>155402284
>Haruto basically doesn't have personality, Shoko is basically a prize for him to fight for. Kyuma is a greedy bastard, Akira does jack all for most of the first season, and Saki is just plain inconsistent.

>I haven't watched the show since it aired but I'll still talk and make arguments as if I know exactly what it and its characters were like

I hate faggots like you all.

>>155392879
2 cours instead of 4.

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>tfw Valvrave was four years ago.

>>155403220
No one liked Haruto.

>>155392879
>What went wrong? Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?
Code Geass had a fixed end point. The staff knew how the show was going to end and did everything to get there.

VVV had no such plan. They were going insane dreaming up half baked ideas that made no sense and being inconsistent in-universe. They were throwing in crazy twists that exist to be twists but had no effect on the plot.

And that is what it boils down to. Code Geass has Lulu constantly and repeatedly tried to make a better world for his sister. VVV has no such central pollar. The characters literally don't know what they are fighting for.

>>155403343
>No one liked Haruto on /a/

Fixed that for you. Try looking outside of your echo chamber sometime.

He was too good for this world

>>155403516
No one liked Haruto in Nipland as well.

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Cross Ange was somewhat the successor to Code Geass

>>155403562
>>155403516
Pretty much no one liked him and many people either didn't care about him or wanted him to die. The show isn't even about him and he has no real relevance or impact. You don't feel sad that he died because he was nothing and accomplished nothing.

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>>155403468
>The characters literally don't know what they are fighting for.

Except they do.

L-elf was fighting to free Lieselotte and bring revolution to Dorssia in the process.

The students at first were fighting for survival and their families, L-elf used this to make them fight for him to speed up his plans.

In the end it became a fight to unveil the truth to the world and start a revolution on behalf of co-existence, Lieselotte's dream, which ties back into L-elf's fight.

Valvrave is no fucking masterpiece but it's baffling to me how you people can't grasp the basic concepts of its premise.

>>155403762
>Except they do.
You listed how the plot kept jumping from episode to episode. With nothing connecting them to each other. The end of the show had nothing to do with the start of it. That's why it didn't work.

Code Geass worked, because despite the mess in the middle, the ending and the beginning fully matched up.

>>155403762
Hey remember that episode set in the future for no reason at the start of it about an empire that never EVER got referred to or referenced again? I love that episode which was a gigantic red herring, as was both seasons which amounted to nothing.

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>Incredibly ugly manface himecut wins
>Perfect loving feminine girl loses
What went wrong you say? At least in Geass the best girl won.

>>155403897
It is just a shock to learn from interviews, that the script ended up with "school trying to become and independent country" as a random idea. That the studio didn't put ANY thought in how that affect the plot. Basically the studio was exactly YOLOing random shit like the characters themselves. And they admitted that on record.

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>>155403562
>>155403690
I know /a/ likes to project but take one look at JP twitter and it paints a different picture. They still love Valvrave, Haruto included. Just yesterday they were spamming twitter with thanks to VVV and recommendations to watch it.

L-elf and Haruto are basically the only characters who still get decent amounts of fanart on their birthdays.

>>155404109
>They love it
>those dropped ratings
>terrible sales
>literally most fanart ignore or marginalize Haruto
Nice delusions.

>>155403844
Holy shit you're retarded if you think those points are "jumping" from one another. I even outright specified how they tied into each other. L-elf's plan from the start was bringing revolution to Dorssia, and the show ended with the beginning of a revolution. How are those things different?

>>155403897
Those scenes were never meant to be explored. If you understand the show is about starting a revolution and not the actual revolution you'd understand those scenes are meant to tell the viewer the characters succeeded, since with the main story's concept we wouldn't know otherwise.

>>155404276
>Those scenes were never meant to be explored.
Nah. The show writers admitted they had no idea what they were doing most of season 2, which is why most events don't tie directly into each other. Stop defending this show, it was terrible.

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>>155404191
>ratings
>sales

2013 was four years ago, anon.

>>155403762
>I've deluded myself therefore you should too
Go away

>>155404376
Time judges all.

>>155404326
I followed threads while it aired. Not once was any interview posted that stated such a thing.

Also the argument doesn't even make sense as the first flashback was in S1.

>>155404538
>I followed threads while it aired.
So did almost everyone on /a/ watching it.

>>155404109
>They still love Valvrave, Haruto included.
They don't. At all.
>Just yesterday they were spamming twitter with thanks to VVV and recommendations to watch it.
Nice bullshit. Those are bots, very visible bots.

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>>155404399
Nice argument. Everything I said was outright stated in the show. What delusion?

>>155404276
>understand those scenes are meant to tell the viewer the characters succeeded,
That's incredibly bad writing then.

>>155404623
>bots
Okay, so you're just shitposting. Got it.

>>155404627
Because they don't actually tie together in any meaningful way and very much do spring out of nowhere as the writer demands it.

>>155404736
Yes, the Japanese twitter has like 5 valvrave bots repeating the same things over and over again.

>2017 AD
>There is someone on /a/ literally defending VVV
Holy shit this is amazing.

>>155404664
I wasn't arguing otherwise. It's basically the epilogue except spread throughout the show instead of at the end.

>>155404828
Yes, and those obviously aren't what I was referring to.

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>>155404850
>He doesn't defend things he likes regardless of what other people think

Sad.

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>>155405105
>He defends a show that's suck and terribleness is legendary to the point its the new parameter which other shows are stacked up against on the sucking scale.
>Also a Sakifag.

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>>155405214
Joke's on you, I like everyone. I'm sure you'll say that's somehow worse than being a waifufag.

>>155405376
>I like everyone.
So not only a VVV apologist but unironically a faggot who can't commit to a single character? That's even more pathetic, anon.

>>155403665
What would happen if a show could somehow have Ange AND Lelouch as co-protagonists?

>>155405021
They are the only posts about vvv on twitter, so yes they are.

ERU ERUFU

>>155397779
Vampires are basically a type of zombie.

>>155403665
Ange worked because it felt like it knew how ridiculous it was and ran with it.

Also it was fun and everybody had actual reasons for doing what they did.

>>155403665
No it wasn't.

a ) It was nowhere near as popular or accessible

b ) It was actual fucking shit and had no quality towards it whatsoever

>>155405715
>Ange worked
It didn't

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>>155405462
>Ange AND Lelouch as co-protagonists?

*ahem*

I remember how L-Elf kept topping every fucking poll they made. If they have include him in best girl survey, he would have won it too.

>>155405424
>You must commit to a single character

Watching shows with a decently size cast must be a nightmare for you.

>>155403665
>Had less threads and discussions than VVV
>As a mecha anime it was thoroughly shitty
>Characters were terrible and unmemorable

About the only similarity between the two are the equally retarded fanbases

>>155404109
Haruto gets fanart because he's shipped with L-Elf.

>>155405698
No. Zombie are dead bodies moving. Soul has left the body a long time ago. Vampire has a soul, but that soul is cursed.

Both were objectively shit, but the deciding difference is their Protagonists.

Lelouch was a magnificent and entertaining faggot and he largely carried the entire show. Haruto was just a boring and annoying faggot.

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>>155405573
They're not, but I get it, you don't actually care.

>>155406016
Again, he and L-elf are the only characters who still get a decent amount of fanart on their birthdays. That includes solo fanart. Admittedly, the artists don't really post on pixiv anymore, mostly only twitter, so I can understand not seeing it.

These people are even still holding doujin cons. Pic related.

>>155405976
Not even what I said.

>>155406015
I don't know about quality opinions here but CA threads were pretty huge on both /a/ and /m/ when it was airing.

>>155406291

out of curiosity,what do artist use nowadays if not pixiv?

CA and VVV had the same issue actually

they forgot how to have fun in the 2nd half

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>>155406571

I'm not a skeleton.

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>>155406918

>>155406291
>That includes solo fanart.
Only for L-Elf and even that stopped a while ago.

>>155406571
>but CA threads were pretty huge on both /a/ and /m/ when it was airing.
No they weren't. Especially not on /m/

>>155407043
>>155406291
>>155405975
Why are you bringing up popularity towards a show that wasn't popular to begin with?

>>155407224
You were never on /m/ clearly when the show was airing, neat.

>>155407306
Actually I was hence why I'm able to call you out on your horseshit

>>155407389
Actually you weren't because I was. hence why I am able to call you out on your bullshit.

>>155407443
>NO U

Great argument you have there

>>155407481
>Counter NO U

Great argument you don't have there.

>>155406571
The most discussion the show got was during that shitty controversy with ANN but outside that threads were pretty much barren. You fags certainly didn't try as hard with the OCs and spamming like VVVfags did.

>/m/
They fucking hated CA and that show aired alongside, G-Reco, Fafner Exodus and TRY all of which were vastly more popular. Only memesters gave a shit about CA.

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>>155406726
Twitter.

It takes a bit more effort to dig around to find stuff, but it's there.

>>155407613
(You) aren't fooling anyone here, kiddo.

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>>155407043
Why not read my posts instead of nitpicking lines?

>>155404109
>someone still has this saved
;_;

>>155407693
Because it applys to all of your bullshit.

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>>155408066
Are you that mad that people who still like VVV exist?

Saki a qt.

Saki a shit.

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>>155404850
It's pretty fascinating L-elf is the only one I remember

>>155392879
No Lelouch.

I'd say it's because the second series stopped doing the sort of crap that made the first series so entertaining. Stupid insane horseshit that just keeps building up upon itself like here >>155400928

>>155409277
Aqua's ass is pretty fascinating too.

>>155406230
This.
Also Lelouch had great character development and became a selfless person. Haruto was a selfish jackass that always made everything about him and never stopped being that selfish jackass.

>>155403665
Everybody who worked on that show not named Mitsuo Fukuda knew how much of fucking joke it was.

>>155413289
And that's what made it enjoyable.

Cross Ange and VVV were hilarious but they were both 100% meme shows by Sunrise.

Season 1 of Code Geass was outstanding and it worked by itself. Unlike the other two you, people discussed CG because of how much they enjoyed it, whereas people watched VVV and CA because of how much they enjoyed discussing it on /a/

Then R2 happened

Cross Ange and Valvrave are both genuine good shows, but it's cooler on the net to say they're "trainwreck" and only enjoyable if you watch them with random people across the net

>>155414158
I feel your definition of "good" may be a bit looser than the norm.

>>155414158
It's okay, everyone suffers a loss in cognitive function after head trauma. Get some rest and your definition of good will fix itself.

>>155414158
>>155414247

The 1st part of Cross Ange was quite good. The 2nd one was not.

>>155414432
>neutralizing explosives with martial arts isn't the epitome of good anime

I think Harutard didn't even need to die. He could have fed off of erruerrf to keep his runes topped off and protect his own memories. He even fucking says he's going to do this in one scene- "Im only going to feed from you errerrfu!!!" but then he never feeds from him again the rest of the entire show. You would think after seeing what happened to the prototype pilot girl he would have taken some initiative and created a rune buffer to protect himself, but no. And how does Shoko support the magical space vampire mecha army that protects and rules the Galactic Nazi Empire of the far future we see at the end? Is there a rune tax where everyone gives up a little bit of memory to support the valvraves? Did they ever find a way to coexist with the space ghosts? How exactly can you coexist with something that relies on eating your memories? Would they get part of the rune tax too? If you wrote down your memories, could you replenish runes once they were eaten? So many things left unanswered. The 2nd season felt very rushed.

If CA and VVV are not good why did you even watch them? You may have 3 episode rule, 5 episode rule or even watch 13 episodes rule. But they both are 2-cour shows. If they were not good then why did you finish them?
People who say they liked it "ironically" are miles above absolute retards who disliked it yet continued watching.

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Whatever happened with these two guys? I remember seeing them a bit before I stopped paying attention to VVV.

I wanna see /m/ reaction when Cross Ange gets an second season or movie projects. Hell extra points will be added on having more necessary click bait journalism with ANN and Kotaku.

>>155414928
You can already check its reaction when CA got into SRW.
As well as reaction when it turned out CA has a lot more important role in the game than everyone expected.

>>155414892

They piloted Valveraves called Kagerou that didn't require runes to operate

Except later they found that it did use runes. They just had built in human clone batteries

when that ran out they couldn't pilot the Kagerou anymore

They still wanted to fight so they became Kamitsuki after the TV ending. Though I don't remember which Valvrave they took.

>>155415143
Oh, neat, thanks. It'd be cool if they made an OVA for them sometime down the line. As silly as Valvrave was, I enjoyed watching it a lot and would graciously accept more of it in my life.

>>155414432
>The 1st part of Cross Ange was quite good
No. Its definitely more fun to watch but not good

>>155414883
They replaced rape with rune loss because it was a horrible idea in the first place.

>>155402509
Was that L-Elf looking child ever explained?

https://youtu.be/sLIQrFY3fUk

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>>155415389

The greatest disappointment was hyping up 200 years later we are an Empire! aspect, but ending the show just before any kind of Empire even starts

I mean.. imagine Gurren Laggan but it ended when Lord Genome died

You'd have a lot of people going "wait what was that prologue teaser all about than?"

>>155416236
Because they knew they couldn't end the story properly. An apt comparison is imagine if the American colonists started the war for independence before leaving England, lost, and ran calling the ship the were sailing an empire. The End.

>>155408904
I'll fight you

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>>155418708

>>155392879
>Trainwreck with abysmal writing
>Takes itself seriously

Dead on arrival

>>155419926
To be fair S1 never took itself seriously, the whole drop-off and failure really started with S2 getting too serious for its own good. Hell Fukuda actually avoided this in Cross Ange.

>>155420018
>S1 never took itself seriously
Only in the first half and that's still debatable, but the second half of s1 definitely took itself seriously but they were also still doing the whole random twist for no reason thing as well and it just didn't work.

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>>155420187
>Vampire Stand Disco Rave Cain
>"taking itself seriously"

>>155420281
Yes, even the scene you posted has all the music cues and dialogue(if you are using real subs inseof gg's fake subs) takes itself seriously.

>>155420376
I never watched VVV episodes with memecartel subs.

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-Large cast of charcters but unlike geass only like 4 felt even remotely fleshed out, applies to both the student group and the space nazi clique
-Ending was confusing as fuck
-Pink explosions. I mean, seriously, I know it has history, but still. Pink explosions man....

>>155420581
You forgot about based Jewbro being killed off first of the main characters being the dumbest decision the show writers went with after Marie bit the bullet so to speak.

>>155392879
It was so insane but the soundtrack was pretty good

>>155392879
>Why didn't it become the next Code Geass?
Haruto was a pussy and ERUERUFU was like they took all the edgy aspects of Lelouch and forgot to leave in the humanizing aspects.

>>155420797
Only the first opening, everything else was bland and forgettable.

>>155420848
you fucking clowning me m8
this is god tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGGpuDPVP2s

>>155403312
No, it can't be.

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Man VVV was fucking ridiculous.

>>155415102
How relacent was CA to SRW

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>>155420948
4 year anniversary and Shoko's birthday are coming up on the 11th! Mark your calendars!

>>155420837
>and forgot to leave in the humanizing aspects.

That's what Haruto was for.

He's a pussy so he can humanize L-elf, which he did.

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VVV was still fucking lightyears ahead of a certain other "next CG"
You think VVV had nonsensical plots and flimsy characters, make way for the fucking king of style over substance.

Valvrave premiered in the same season as Gargantia (hype, but ultimately underwhelming) and MJP (underrated and Mecha AOTS)

>>155421263
Except it didn't work because he was so whiny and unlikable.

Cross Ange was better. Especially in the characterizations and "holy shit" department.

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>>155421571
Your opinion on him is irrelevant, it's blatantly stated. He influenced L-elf whether you like it or not.

>>155421874
But the problem is that is feels unnatural and completely forced. Show don't tell exists for a reason and all VVV did was tell never show.

>>155422095
I think it did have several show moments. But people get so distracted by the bad telling and twists they won't even entertain the idea VVV may have even a little bit of nuance.

From the very first episode we know Haruto reminded L-elf of the girl he loves. If you keep that mind perhaps you'd read L-elf's reactions to Haruto a little bit differently.

>>155421263
>>155422479
Honestly upon rewatch, because I hate myself, Haruto doesn't really have any of those humanizing elements and really is just a whiny selfish prick.

>>155392879
L-elf carried the show so hard.

>>155421589
I think it's because it was at least partially aware of how silly the show was.

>>155422849
Haruto, ultimately, loves his own self perception more than he loves any other person.
It kinda makes sense if you think about it.
When he learned that Shoko's father was missing, he didn't stay to comfort and encourage her.
He wanted to go out and retrieve him right away. He didn't want to do it for her. He wanted to do it to validate his own self.
When he learned he killed his father, did he even bother apologizing? No, I think it only fed into his own self image.

>>155422865
Also I enjoyed Q-Vier just because he was so carefree and fun, its like he was aware of how insane this show was.

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>>155392879
>the next Code Geass

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>>155423453
>the next Code Geass

We have passed it anon

>>155423856
rape fantasy for betas isn't surpassing anything except for creating more ted bundys

Valvrave is what people who hate Code Geass think Code Geass was.

But in truth, it's a much worse show in everything except maybe character design and music.

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>>155422849
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think Haruto was actually selfless, but as a fault and not a virtue. I also think calling him whiny is a very subjective interpretation.

>>155424561
He isn't selfless at all though. Let's look at the example of him keeping the fact that him and the other pilots weren't exactly human anymore a secret. He says did it because he wanted to keep Shoko safe. In reality he did it because he didn't want to be viewed as a monster. We saw this blow up in his face in spectacular fashion. And that's every single thing he does, choosing the option that only benefits his self image regardless of how it will hurt or affect others. He basically refuses to grow up or accept reality and in the end dies the same selfish prick he always was.

Kind reminder that Shoko did NOTHING wrong.

>>155424878
Well not until the last few episodes where the writers ignored her established character and had her act incredibility out of character for the rest of the show and never make up for it.

>>155416029
Yes. Watch before posting faggot.

>>155392879
Half as long as CG

>>155425105
Um, no. No it wasn't.

>>155405214
Keep in mind that there is someone, somewhere, who will defend Handshakers or whatever the fuck that trainwreck is called.

>another plot twist
>BOKU JANAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaqucFauhU

That was awesome.

>>155392879
I liked Guilty Crown better, though the rape was good in Vulvarave

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>>155424794
His actions can easily be explained by the fact he lacks self-esteem. It's pretty obvious, and his speech about Shoko in the drama CD pretty much cements that. But lacking self-esteem doesn't mean someone is inherently selfish. He puts people before himself, always tries to take responsibility, and when everyone hated him he still said he loved them and wanted to see them again. I think it says more of yourself that you interpret that as him being a selfish prick and doing things for his own gains.

Also you're wrong about him refusing to grow up, because he does own up to his mistakes, the very example you used in fact.

>>155425212
What you don't understand anon? That it was his descendant hundreds of years later while everyone teaching him history about Space Nazi Vampires Empire root?

>>155425317
>I liked Guilty Crown better
Let's not say anything we can't take back.

>>155425484
I'm saying it.
Heil Shu!

>>155425349
Except he only does thinhs for his own self image. He doesn't do anything for their benefit he does it to try and make himself look good. He cares more about his self image than anything else. And he really didn't grow up or accept the reality of his actions. He still does thing for himself above others even at the end and died not really changing himself or anything.

>>155425349
>Also you're wrong about him refusing to grow up, because he does own up to his mistakes
Which is why he continues to lie, deceive, and conceal the truth to everyone in that scene.

>>155421589
>Especially in the characterizations
Fuck no
> and "holy shit" department.
I don't think there's a single moment in CA that surprised me

>>155422865
>L-elf carried the show so hard.
He carried it straight to the trash can and the bottom of the nico ratings

>>155425691
You can care about your own self image and other things, anon. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Of course Haruto would care about his image, he had low self-esteem, but he cared about people a lot, too. I can see this argument is not going to go anywhere, though, as after providing proof you still just say "no he didn't REALLY grow up" followed by a repetition of your point.

>>155425751
Because the people in that room totally would have believed him, right? He didn't lie about anything in that scene, he tells them he's going to unveil the truth and he did, but he couldn't do that there without the proof (the broadcast).

>>155426341
>no he didn't REALLY grow up
Because he didn't. He never accepts himself and chooses to kill himself instead of actually making a difference or making the world better, but nope he chooses to kill himself to boost his selfish ego by trying to be a martyr, which he fails at still because his death amounted to nothinh.