Ghost in The Shell

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>>155322550
>The discussion of "live action" television shows is permitted so long as they are distinctly rooted in, or based off of an anime or manga series.

>>155322591
I dont give a fuck about that
Go ask /tv/

>>155322314
It's generic forgettable garbage
The designs and work that went into making it was cool to see though

>>155322626
Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Go find another if you have nothing to contribute.

>>155322591
>>155322680
OP so butthurt. I didn't see it so I got nothing

>>155322680
Go ask /tv/

>>155322314

It wasn't complete shit, but it wasn't also great, they tried really hard in pandering to fans by recreating many scenes from the original. Also the movie has great visuals.

>tfw the muscle tearing scene wasn't that bad

Pretty looking, but mediocre

So, yes, it's shit. ScarJo had a poor performance, as if the director literally told her to act like a robot.

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>>155322792
>they tried really hard in pandering to fans

>>>/tv/
Get this hollywood shit out of here.

>>155323568
Trying doesn't equal succeeding.

>>155322835
Oh great, so its Lucy again. Sounds even worse than I originally thought.

The Ghost in the Shell live-action has flopped and I'm grateful. Every worthless piece of shit involved in the creation of that failure is now forever written off, if you ask me. Hollywood has committed a cardinal sin. Their arrogant, elitist and self-entitled attitudes have spawned a sacrilege to classic anime. I will proceed to boycott and ignore anything even remotely related to this abortion of a film and those who brought it into existence can fuck right off.

The gas chamber for ScarJo simply because her hideous frame and butterface could not possibly have done Motoko Kusanagi's beauty justice. Her acting was stilted and hollow. Even the philosophical inquiries were way off. They literally fucked everything up.

Lastly, Mamoru Oshii can slit his wrists with any of the old razors that were sent to him from angry fans pisses at him for insulting other works. He was supportive of this fucking shitpile of a movie and that is where he failed miserably. From now on, I never touch a filthy Hollywood adaptation of an anime unless they take their heads out of their fucking asses and do it correctly. Paramount, DreamWorks, Reliance, Amblin and Arad can all go fucking drink Drano and die miserably. ScarJo can go get raped over and over again in a Russian gulag. This shit will not fucking fly, and from the looks of it, this travesty of a film will not make its budget back. If they dare make another, I sincerely hope some lives involved get cancelled out.

Ghost has been used to wipe quite a lot of asses, and that is unforgivable.

>>155322314
>her body doesnt have a vagina

>>155323779
>her

>>155323763
>The Ghost in the Shell live-action has flopped and I'm grateful.
Has it?

>tfw this trailer was better than the whole movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGTMfw9tojo

>>155322314
Yes it's awful

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Everything I've heard about it can be boiled down to:
It looks fucking gorgeous but the plot is a hollow re-imagination of the original. Several scenes are attempted 1:1 copies with none of the same context so they just fall flat.

Visuals were great but it felt really hollow. Might have been a good or even great movie if it wasn't impossible to consider how pointless it felt compared to the source material. Aside from having an unnecessary origin story for his eyes, I was actually really happy with their depiction of Batou.

>>155322792
I was glad they had her tear at all, but it sucks that they didn't take it further. It could have looked amazing if they pushed it more. And I was disappointed that Batou wasn't more active in the finale. Would have liked to see him take the sniper shot to the arm.

>>155324001
What didn't you like?

>watching movies

lol what is this 1950.

>>155322314
>it's now the average revenge story action thriller
Yes it's shit.

>>155324044
The writing and dialogue

>>155322314

I saw it, it's shit. It's Ghostbusters-tier bad.

>>155324107
What was wrong with it?
>it wasn't folded 1000 times in Japan

>>155324127
Why weren't you here yesterday?

>>155323763
Meh, the original isn't that great anyway. Bunch of teenage-level existencialism if you ask me.

>>155323875
>>The Ghost in the Shell live-action has flopped and I'm grateful.
>Has it?

They are talking about a 20 million opening, third place behind Boss Baby and Beauty and the Beast. So it basically flopped in the USA, foreign territories (aka China) might save it from losing money.

>Did anyone go see it yet?
No.
>Is it shit?
Yes.

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>>155324172
>original isn't that great anyway

>>155322314
It's more competently made than I expected, but still not good.
Bland, boring shit with a few nice touches like Aramaki.
But the Major's backstory, the scripting as a whole and ScarJo's obnoxious mumblewhisper delivery were complete dogshit.

There were some pretty obvious similarities to the original movie and to the shows. I liked how they subtly showed Togusa's special hand gun and the fact that he wanted to be all-natural. Movie was entertaining but pretty short on dialogue that explained what was happening.

>>155322314
I give it a B+.

Visually it was amazing. The fights were all well done, the costumes were spot on, and the scenery was what you'd expect from futuristic Tokyo.

The story is where it's lacking. Without the 3deep5me elements of the original and the story replaced with a generic, if decently executed mystery(even if they spoiled it in the trailers) it's in the realm of decent, but not something people are going to be talking about years from now.

>>155324028
Pretty much. The recreated scenes ended up being some of my least favorite moments of the movie since all they did was remind me how shallow it was. The fight in the water was especially annoying since they seemed to assume all they needed was slo-mo water splashing to impress the audience.

>>155324350
Yeah, I definitely liked Togusa's gun. Which he had been in it a little more.

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As someone who has seen GitS only a few times and basing all my lore on that movie, was the Major's backstory always that she was a kidnapped hippie that was transformed against a cyborg against her will? I don't remember the bad entity being a fucking corporation. I don't remember the "hacker" being just a rogue cyborg experiment it was a rogue espionage program with no body until the movie. I don't remember the main point of the movie being "corporations are bad, consent is good".
I can't even review it from "someone who has seen and remembers GitS" standpoint because the movie feels like it had almost nothing to do with it.

>>155324221
Considering it was made with Chinese buckaroos I'm sure it'll do fine there.

>>155324386
If I'm not mistaken, I thought by the time GITS was happening, Major had been in numerous bodies, male and female, and had no trace of her old life left.

>>155324386
No, it was a hollywood version of the story at its worst. Shady experimenting with an AI wasn't evil enough so they beefed it up to a corporation kidnapping and killing 98 teenagers so that you really know they're the bad guys. And also the bad hacker is the major's boyfriend or something fuck you.

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>>155324451
YEA THEN FUCKING ARISE HAPPENED! fuck that shit im sticking with the multiple body theory.

>>155324565
I thought (I know it's a stretch) that they tried to make it obvious the corporation was an American corporation (literally everyone that works there is white) trying to manipulate the Japanese government by bribing them with cyborgs and stuff. Isn't America being bad a small theme in GITS? I'm just looking for some excuse why everyone is white in the movie and that's all I could think of other than "lazy casting".

If it was on its own I might have enjoyed it as a standalone action movie.
But it has ghost in the shell tied to it so it was like watching my mother get raped. I nearly walked out if the theatre several times.

>>155323904
That is some top tier lenonymous garabge.

"my GHOST survived so the next generations of GHOSTS in SHELLS can learn what it means to BE HUMAN"

almost vomited in the kinomatorium

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>>155324711
>mfw that hooker scene
That made me extremely nauseous, even more so than the butchered scenes from the movie.
>mfw there was literally no meaningful conversation on the boat after the dive whereas in the movie it's one of the best scenes

>>155324674
>lazy casting
You mean Hollywood believing "white people will only watch movies with white people in them" the same way half the anime industry believes "animeshits will only watch anime set in high school with completely generic Japboy main characters".

It's still great how they managed to prolong the length of the movie compared to the anime but explained less.

>>155324674
scarjo is the lead because shes the only female action movie star that sells tickets on her name alone

the rest of section 9 is very Diverse™ as mandated by hollywood jews and then the bad guys are white because white people are evil

>>155324565
>And also the bad hacker is the major's boyfriend or something fuck you.
This was dumb in SAC 2 as well

Really the only GitS thing I like is the 95 movie

>>155324866
No I mean ignore the SJW shit, it was just lazy casting.
>black ishikawa

>>155322680
>Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread.
but i am being forced

>>155324815
God, I cringed as soon as it showed her underwater. It's like really, we're going to do this scene now? After she just went hollywood rogue? Talk about forced.

gits was never good.

>>155324386
>I don't remember the main point of the movie being "corporations are bad, consent is good".

That's just typical liberal hogwash that's common in all modern mainstream cyberpunk. It's so bland, the new Deus Ex games suffer from exactly the same kind of boring writing.

And yet they destroyed any kind of goodwill they could have gotten by casting Johansson. It's ironic.

>>155324674
The only GitS iteration where America is portrayed as being bad is SAC, and they are extremely hamfisted about it too.

The movie doesn't mention america at all and the manga only mentions it in a neutral way.

>>155324908
>If there isn't action every five minutes the audience will get bored
It's just the average Hollywood action movie in 2017.

>>155325044
>goodwill they could have gotten by casting Johansson.
she kind of sucks though

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>>155324172
>>155325039
I love how shitty remakes always bring out the contrarians who suddenly feel as if they were somehow vindicated.

I remember the same shit happening with the Avatar movie.

>>155324109
> It's Ghostbusters-tier bad.
Ew.
How is that even possible

>>155324957
It wasn't just lazy casting. They literally chose just white people, even for major secondary characters like Batou.

If that doesn't say "they didn't WANT to cast any Japanese" to you, what will?

When your hatred for "SJWs" makes you ignore Hollywood going out of their way to fuck up a film, that's a problem.

I went to see it last night, I liked it seeing as I hadn't seen the original before.

I watched the original this morning, can somebody give me a list of which movies are supposed to be watched in what order?

>>155323763
>Lastly, Mamoru Oshii can slit his wrists with any of the old razors that were sent to him from angry fans pisses at him for insulting other works.

and what was he supossed to do? write it off after they paid his bosses $$$ for the rights to it?
protip: it's business and Japanese dont see american media in the same light as us.
That they are happy to see their creations produced and gain international recognition is a honor for them regardless of how it is changed for other cultures.

>>155325158
It's not. Ghostbusters was straight up horrible, this was just average with nice visuals.

>>155325297
You watch the first movie first. Also
>going to see an adaptation without seeing the original first
What's wrong with you?

the plot is completely garbage and a weird mix of all the series and movies of the gits universe
villains and heros alike are merged into a big pot of nothing of value
and they tried to get as many artifacts of the universe into the scenes but forgot to give them a meaning for the story
the acting is garbage
the visuals are very good
3D was nice too
at least they kept one OST for the ending credits
never again

>>155322314
They added settings that are not needed.
Aramaki talks so slow compared to the anime.

>>155325421
>at least they kept one OST for the ending credits
I know the remixed main theme was garbage but why put it in the credits of all places? Considering where it plays in the original it feels out of place and more of a "this was a GitS movie. did you notice?".

>>155325604
>"this was a GitS movie. did you notice?"
that's what I'm saying
the plot was a really good plot for a DEUS EX real life action movie
but for some reason the cast was dressed as GitS characters
really early april fools prank imo

>>155325510
>Aramaki talks so slow compared to the anime.
Also it's been a while since I watched anything GitS related, but since when does he walk around dropping criminals like flies. I expected him to show up cool and arrest the guy, not just ask the major for permission to smoke his ass.

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>>155325363
I don't watch anime often and I'm a sucker for cyberpunk asthetics.

Everyone said the movie looked wonderful and I wasn't going in for the plot, so when the plot turned out to be "good" it was a pleasant surprise.

>>155325421
WHY DID YOU GIVE IT MONEY YOU HUMAN TRASH

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>>155326079
>so when the plot turned out to be "good" it was a pleasant surprise.
What movie are we talking about now because I'm quite sure we aren't talking about GitS (2017) anymore.

>>155324965
Need me to call the police onee-chan?

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>>155326214
Seeing as more character building and plot progression happened while touching upon the same themes as the anime movie, I can safely say that the plot is fine.

They even did Batou closer to the manga than the anime movie did.

>>155322314
Faggot.

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>>155326303
>while touching upon the same themes as the anime movie
Yeah, I'm fucking done. I'm checking if /tv/ knows the source material any better.

it was actually pretty alright, also what the fuck is with all these hipster critics comparing it to the original when it's clear as day they've never seen any of the anime or read the manga.

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>>155326383
>Posting mentally deranged trap who loves being fucked in girls clothes but would rather fucking die than to be fucked in normal boy clothes.
>Makes no discussion about the movie, probably because he wants to be a contrarian and pretend he saw the movie.

What topics or themes weren't touched upon in the new movie that weren't discussed in the original manga? Besides the obvious tree shit that took place in the original spider tank fight.

>>155326303
if you think the 2017 movies touches any themes of the original GitS universe you literally did not understand GitS which is incredibly funny because you are posting on a taiwanese rice forum about rapid moving drawings yet match closer to the targeted normie demographic that the movie was trying to appeal to

>>155326531
>normie
You need to go back.

>>155326589
Did you click /a/ instead of /tv/ by accident?

>>155322314
It wasn't bad, it was like a really long episode. They changed the backstory, because. Not sure why people are complaining about major's personality, she's usually serious most of the time, only throwing a few jokes here and there.

>>155326531
The guy you are replying to might be cancer, but so are you.

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>>155326531
I'm not sure what themes weren't touched upon, besides those who's plotpoints were changed for the new story.

All that I can think of is that the brain hacker is no longer an AI that became life and debates it deserves to live and seeks asylum inside Section 9's IT department.

The whole plot about how an American military general might be responsible as well was dropped, in favor of a generic "Evil corporation" plotline, which I wasn't too angry about seeing as a lot of cyberpunk revolves around weird-ass anti-corporate stories.

Then she's reborn with the AI after they merge, then she gets put in a loli sexbot.

What themes aren't present in the new movie?

>>155326776
Stop formatting your text like a faggot.

>>155322314
im afraid to watch it. i don't want to see hollywood butcher ghost in the shell.

is it worth going to see?

>>155326647
Back to go, you need.

>>155326820
Why? I like to make nice clean posts.

>>155322314
No, trust me, it's good. April Fools!

>>155326776

>All that I can think of is that the brain hacker is no longer an AI that became life and debates it deserves to live and seeks asylum inside Section 9's IT department.
>main driving story for the majority of the universes stories is dropped
>main philosophical controversy of distinction between man and machine and issues with those is degraded into a single voice line of "come live in the web with me"

the actual ghost in the shell part is dropped too
because in the movie they use biological grown brains from the original bodies to cyberize instead of inserting the ever illusive ghost into an all manufactured brain

>>155322792
>>tfw the muscle tearing scene wasn't that bad
Yeah it wasn't that bad.
I wish that they lighten that scene a bit more though. It was dark that you can't see the small details of her veins popping out.

>>155327019
Wasn't major's brain in the original movie real? She discussed how it might not be real, but she couldn't tell as "nobody ever sees their brains as their own, they only see their bodies"

To which eyeballman says "I don't really care"

Also they touched upon that in the new movie with inserting personalities into machines, especially with the intro robot begging for life despite them saying she was just a machine.

To be fair, you are right that they did drop that theme for another.

>>155326776
>brain hacker is no longer an AI that became life and debates it deserves to live and seeks asylum inside Section 9's IT department
Wasn't this the entire centerpiece of the whole original movie? The whole "can an Artificial Intelligence have a Ghost"? There's a difference between "what makes an AI human" and "what makes a cyborg human". The both were discussed in GitS with the focus on the former, while the new movie focuses only on the later and even does that pretty badly.

>>155327238
no she was unborn when her ghost was transferred into a full artificial body (according to canon GitS plot)
they took her out of her mothers womb when she died in a car accident which may or may not have been planned
while they didn't directly say that in the original movie (I think) it is heavily implied with the opening sequence building a full body, including a brain, from scratch

what they are talking about in the original movie are her feelings emotions and memories connected to that brain
she is implying that they might be fake and just inserted into a functioning very human-like machine that believes its a human
he replies with "I don't care" because to him it makes no difference if the inserted memories might be fake or not. He'll be able to live with them anyways

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>there are people who will see this movie instead of watching the original even if you can buy the original on blu ray for the same price as a movie ticket
i want to die

>>155325158

The story and characters are a fucking mess.

>>155325936
>not just ask the major for permission to smoke his ass.

Forgot about that. He straights up murder the guy even though he is incapacitated. He wouldn't do that in the manga or the anime, he tried following the law when possible.

>>155322314
How is the soundtrack, do they have anything else other than Making of Cyborg?

>>155327871
It was a fucking cringeworthy scene, straight out of a B tier flick. Out of character for Aramaki and the "muh payback you have muh consent" was one of the worst lines I've had the displeasure of witnessing in a theatre. And I saw fucking Eragon.

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>>155325936
>Asks the Major for permission

>>155326079
>japanese bird cooking spaghetti
I hate you more for this than for the shitpost.

>>155322591
>>>/tv/

3DPD is forbidden on /a/.

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haha

>>155327982
>after making it a big deal finding out her true identity is Motoko Kusanagi she just refers to herself as "Major" for that ""climax"" line
Did just miss something?

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>>155328363
>the human evolution tree with its symbolism was turned into a regular tree because the whole reason for the scene probably escaped the director(s)

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>budget: $110 million
>box office so far: $7.7 million

holy shit

well at least we still have GITS 1 & 2 which were 10/10

>>155328584
Bets are that China and the foreign market will make up the difference.

I don't know how relevant China is to Hollywood anymore. I know it's been a bit of a rollercoaster the last 10 years or so for them.

Hopefully this movie bombs and Hollywood takes it as a hint to not make anime adaptions.

>>155324965
I genuinely want to murder you.

>>155328644

There were several Chinese logos in the opening of the movie, they sold out part of the revenue to get good spot in China or something.

It's useless. Like Robocop 2014 except they ripped off some scenes and names from GitS.

>>155329096
intradasting.

I don't intend on seeing the movie until I can illegally download it, but I'm wondering if even China can make up the difference at this rate.

It was alright

Very pretty film at least.

>>155324674
>Isn't America being bad a small theme in GiTS?
Yes, but that theme's a little more overt in, say, Appleseed, or even Koukaku no Pandora, so I'd honestly give the movie a pass on bringing the tone more in-line with the rest of the series.

>>155329271

China can save the movie from losing money, which is why Hollywood cares so much about China in the first place. A lot of movies that seemed like flops were saved by China.

>>155328644
It is difficult to make movies that the Chinese like because they are barely human

>>155329535
>A lot of movies that seemed like flops were saved by China.
Yeap, if it weren't them, Warcraft would have just been yet another failed video game adaptation.

>>155325363
To be honest, the 2017 film would be better if you hadn't seen any of the oriinal stuff, because you don't know what they've ruined.

>>155328809
the magic bunnyman next to me say if I dont stay in this thread he'll die.

While the movie was boring, it was pretty well made and tightly paced with neat visuals. It's not a bad movie.

Way better than the mess that is Power Rangers at least.

>>155322314
>IRL adaptation of an anime
>White woman playing a jap
>Scarlet Johanson


I didn't need to see this garbage to know its shit

Besides, GITS isn't that phenominal anyway

>>155322550
The sjws hated it so /tv/ is already hyping it as kino. They're completely infected by /pol/

>>155323763
>Lastly, Mamoru Oshii can slit his wrists with any of the old razors that were sent to him from angry fans pisses at him for insulting other works. He was supportive of this fucking shitpile of a movie and that is where he failed miserably.
Nips never say what they really think. It's rude and disrespectful. Also, contrary to the popular weeaboo believe, nips care a lot about the west's opinion. Nobody want to look like a bitter nationalist, except on 2ch because it's anonymous

>>155322314
gonna see it tomorrow with my only 2 friends
I'm pretty hyped

>>155331222
He could have said nothing instead being like George Lucas on the set of Rogue One.

>>155326869
It's cancerous reddit spacing.

>>155323763

really? It's a shame, I wanted to be fun and dumb like Guardians of the Galaxy but it looks like it ended like Ghostbusters

>>155330938
>race and hair color in name
>triggered by race of person who plays a fictional character in entertainment media
fuck off special snowflake identity warrior
back to /pol/ or tumblr or wherever your SJW/Alt-right or whatever early 21st century identity-cold war faction home base is

>>155322314

Saw it, liked it.

Think of it as a pizza with bland Hollywood dough for a crust, and little pepperoni slices from various other Ghost in the Shell stories on top.

It did look very good.

This version of the Major has nothing on the original movie or SAC, but is not as lame as Arise. Things could have been a lot worse.

>>155328363
>the tank has handles

I haven't seen it, but i'm guessing she probably didn't even swap rifle barrels and magazines before attacking the tank.

Someone please correct me.

Frankly I loved the movie. Everyone is butt hurt that the movie isn't a philosophy 101 class or pure train for thought class.

I really liked it.
Been telling my autist friends i only saw it for the visuals but i've seen everything GitS so no way i was going to miss it. I was surprised and I'm happy with it. It could have been worse and there hasn't been a single GitS universe product that hasn't pissed off someone.

I bet the original movie pissed off the original manga readers in some way or another.

>>155332188
>not as lame as Arise.

Arises Major is actually pretty good, nothing on SAC, but I feel like people just say she's bad because they don't understand the whole false memories thing, and she really doesn't know shit about herself beyond the orphanage because of the false memories

Another thing that passed me off is most anime YouTubes treat ghost In shell like a region and the smallest changes make the movie terrible. like the star trek reboot movies were 100 PERCENT fathfull and it gets sung the highest phrases for being different

It was fine.

Pretty decent on its own, and a nice love letter to the series as a whole.

But it did have some weird moments, had a few plot redesigns that were questionably chosen, and whilst it looked pretty it wasn't particularly tense or exciting.

As far as anime adaptations go it's still one of the best.

>>155332629
>like the star trek reboot movies were 100 PERCENT fathfull and it gets sung the highest phrases for being different
Star Trek Beyond really did feel like Star Trek though.

If nothing else its better then dragonball evolution and speed racer right?

>>155332684

But shouldn't all right-thinking people be outraged at the blackwashing of Ishikawa?!? I'm going to start a twitter riot.

I did like that Ishikawa got a cyber-liver in order to enhance his alcoholism.

And that Aramaki was allowed to be awesome, despite limited screen time.

>>155332790
Speed Racer is as faithful as you can ever be despite the incoherent plot.

>>155322314
It's like a fancy wedding cake on the outside, full of shit on the inside.

Is the movie based on the movie or the series?

>>155332772
Did Spock ever date a black women and prone to being angry in the orignal? Was captain kierk a alcoholic?

>>155333056

Both. All.

For example, the first scene rips off the geisha-bot party from Stand Alone Complex season 1, and the villain is named after a SAC season 2 villain... but has him doing Puppetmaster hijinks.

And the Major is given yet another backstory, with a memory-related plot widget from Arise.

>>155333126
Spock broke up with her in Beyond and was never angry in it. Also, Kirk only drank once and it was to his dead father.

It was pop culture fanservice: the movie like the others either.

>>155322314
Her face looks so stupid.

>>155332866
>blackwashing of Ishikawa
ishikawa was never THAT white
the actor wasn't even THAT black

>>155333195
So the story itself doesn't follow any specific anime? I get that there are scenes from all, but is the main plot something original or loosely based?

>>155323763
TL;DR Fuckin nerd

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>155322591
nigga no one on this board has watched it because it's not hard to see it's gonna be shit and unfaithful to the source. you can ask here, you just won't get an answer.

>>155322314
Angryjoe liked it, i think its good.

>>155334511
>>>/b/
>>>/reddit/

>>155333707

Possibly was joking.

>>155323763
>ScarJo can go get raped over and over again in a Russian gulag
..You saw Harmony recently, right?

>>155335068
Does it have ScarJo being raped repeatedly?

I can't see it anyway because the theater has a no singles policy, they'd see it on my ID

>>155322314
Kill yourself.

>>>/tv/

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>>155322314
Saw it Thursday. It was good. Not mindblowing, not as good as the original, but genuine effort and thought were put in. They didn't try to top the original, they just made a well-put-together movie with enough of the original that it's still got a soul.

There were enough changes that it doesn't feel like an unnecessary rehash, but they also didn't go insane with it.

Good performances all around, great visuals outside of a few shots, decent music, and no blatantly insulting nonsense.

See it if you're curious, but if you really don't want to, it's not like you're missing out on the movie of a lifetime.

Solid 7 or 8 out of 10.

>>155336748
>good music
are you a shill
The Aoki remix shit was pure trash

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>>155336797
You literally haven't seen the film. I know this because the dubstep remix wasn't in the movie. It wasn't in the intro, it wasn't in the credits, it was nowhere to be found.

The music in the film was decent. I did not say good. It served its purpose, it wasn't offensive, and they didn't bastardize any tracks.

Nice try dude. Maybe see the movie before criticizing things that aren't in it.

>>155322314
It was an average action flick. What really killed it was Scarjo's wooden acting.

>>155331397
What did the midichlorian man himself have to say?

>>155322314
I enjoyed it. Beautiful effects, copied scenes great, was nie.

>>155337243
He liked what they were doing and gave his full support, something I haven't heard him say about the Force Awakens.

>>155322314
can she have sex?

>>155337884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPH3DC1LP2k

>>155322314
Whatever she does she look confused.

What a low tier actress.

>ITT: people who haven't watch the movie decide to judge it by its trailers/clips.

And I thought this place could get any worse.

>>155337897
She's very good in Under the Skin but I feel like that role was made for her.

posting pain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow7goh-Hlr8

>>155337976
it's not in the movie though

>>155328443
>the human evolution tree with its symbolism

That was the one little part I never liked about the original movie. Oh yeah there happens to be a tree of life conveniently in this abandoned factory, shit was dumb.

the characters are all wooden, no personality at all.

in the anime movie Batou and even Togusa has a bit of personality to them and that movie is shorter than this.

Cinematography looks great though

Is it exactly how I imagined? Michael Bay directing it while gutting the philosophical banter?

>>155323760
This is why I still love 4chan.

>Can you feed the dogs for me? Don't wanna scare 'em
>Of course

Was that scene in the anime? Cuz it felt so weird in the live action. And I could not get over how Batous eyes looked. Made me keep wanting to make sure my own eyes were ok

>>155338080
No. While a lot of the straight philosophical dialogue is gone, they keep in the important imagery and moments that sort of define the original. It's nowhere near Michael Bay level and has very little action overall. It's faithful in general, just not as deep obviously.

I won't outright say it's amazing and I can understand people not liking it but anyone who says it's Michael Bay tier is straight up lying to you.

>>155338108
Batou has a thing with dogs but that moment specifically isn't from anything, no. His dog is even a fat beagle too.

>>155322314
Saw it. It fucking sucked.

>>155338063
>the characters are all wooden, no personality at all.

So like Mamoru Oshii's Ghost in the Shell.

Guy can't write believable characters, they are all just vehicles for his (pseudo) philosophical nonsense.

>>155322314
My wife and I watched it, and both enjoyed it really. I'd like a 2nd one to come out bth. I think everyone else just likes to be negative all the time.

>>155334029
The beats follow the '95 movie most closely but it's an incoherent mess of borrowed things and Robocop.

If you have to ask someone else to formulate an opinion rather than going and forming your own opinion, you are a subhuman. People who adopt second-hand opinions are the worst human beings---and there's a lot of them.

>>155338108
>>155338149
Fat beagle dog is from the animes right?
the fat beagle seems very familiar, think it reminds me of the dog from cowboy bebop though

>>155338545
The beagle is actually a thing that the director of GitS and Innocence does. It shows up in his other stuff, too.

it's 42 on RT so there's chance it's good

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>>155332178
you might have a point but they made it extra offensive by making Mayor an actual japanese person who was put inside caucasian body

this basically vindicated all the trigglypuffs and every negative review makes a point about that

>>155338651
oh right the cowboy bebop dog is a Pembroke Welsh Corgi not a fat beagle

>>155338694
Anyone who thinks that's more offensive is retarded. It means that a young rebellious japanese womyn's racial identity was stolen by an evil white capitalist and she was whitewashed because le white man thinks that's better.

It's nowhere near that garbagely-written and is actually pretty subtle, but if the reviews that make that point are written by morons. They'll praise the original out the ass for being "deep" and then miss an incredibly basic point about racial identity despite laser focusing on it.

>Ghost in the Shell movie review – with full body whitewashing
>Her outfit sticking to her flesh lecherously, like a Venom costume or an unclothed, vacuum-sealed, cream-coloured Barbie doll, Scarlett Johansson somehow looks both naked - sort of - and fastidiously covered.
Quality reviews, these retards game Ghostbusters 2016 73%.

>>155331397
the difference is that restricting George Lucas' authority let them produce a top notch and original piece of work, where as GitS got the opposite treatment.

>>155338694
no that's part of the story
it was a anglo-saxon mega corporation
the bodies they build are marketed globally
just like how these movies are marketed globally
it's 4th wall meta

if they were really white-washing then she wouldn't even be an actual japanese person in the first place, i think making the major originally asian was a fantastic way to honor the original material and the culture that spawned it

>>155338795
This is one of the few cases where I was so confused by the negative reviews that I had to go and read them myself.
I never realized that literally every single cliche about a group of people could be so accurate.
Why are film reviewers all somehow simultanaeously sub-100 IQ trash people and also obsessed with big words that mean nothing in their context?

>A mediocre movie that's as beautiful as it is #problematic.

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>Takeshi Kitano after seeing GitS tank
BACK TO CHEAP YAKUZA THRILLS

>>155324127
>b-but you're just a nip purist!
>y-your criticisms aren't valid!
It was trash and everybody knew it would be trash when they casted Scarjo for the lead. When the ever important lead role is handed off to a memeactor then how could you ever expect them to handle the subtleties in dialog or shot composition well at all?

>>155322314
I'll probably end up pirating this, but what I want to know is why was Hollywood promoting this particular adaptation harder than they normally would for most adaptations? Because of ScarJo?

The reason why people (especially /a/) think lowly of the movie adaptation is that the source material is too well known. People are going to compare it to the anime original and no one is ever gonna say the adaptation is better.

The movie had superb CG and acting and if the original hadn't existed, would've been a solid 8/10. The only reason why /a/ hates it is because of anime elitism and Motoko being portrayed by a white chick (even though Motoko wasn't implied to be Japanese in the first place).

>>155338795
I mean, even having asian actors wouldn't have saved this trainwreck

>>155338901
Because it's a live action adaptation of a nearly 30 year old manga about existentialism wherein a confused purple-haired cyborg fights the internet and then becomes the internet.

You can already tell by the opening weekend that even casting scarjo and pushing the movie quite a bit wasn't enough to get normal American dumbasses into seats for a concept this bizarre. Not even dubstep. Not even an initial RT of like 70%.

>>155338926
Name one good live action anime movie adaptation, Japan or Hollywood

>>155338835
so you saying they went through all the loops and making up bullshit to make scarlet a viable actress while they could just adapt the movie faithfully in the first place

>>155338963
Oldboy

>>155338977
>they could just adapt the movie faithfully in the first place

No, they couldn't have. They would never in a thousand years have made back all the money they spent on this movie (which is required because it's Ghost in the Shell) if they cast some Japanese actress nobody knows.
Name me a Japanese action actress who speaks fluent English and is well-known enough to draw your typical American to a weird movie like this.

Yeah, you can't. They objectively made the correct choice and went through the effort of actually justifying it within the story itself instead of just letting it sit there with no explanation. So fuck off.

>>155323763
I just got back from a 10PM showing and the theater was full. Bellevue, WA

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>>155324451
>If I'm not mistaken, I thought by the time GITS was happening, Major had been in numerous bodies, male and female, and had no trace of her old life left.
It was implied she knew her history and had childhood memories, etc, but that over time she had replaced every organic part of her body several times over. This is where the original film gets into its central question, a sort of take on the old "is a boat still the same boat" thing -- Kusanagi began to wonder if she had somehow lost a fundamental humanity or was different from normal humans.

The rogue AI in the original film makes her quest for identity even more complex because it demands rights and recognition -- how is its self-awareness any different from Kusanagi's? At this point, Kusanagi realizes that it's not so much "humanity" she's after, but a kind of self-actualization -- which she achieves through transhumanism (combining her "ghost" with the AI).

The new film fucks this up completely by making it a story about how a robot needs to find out who she really was as a human. And that even goes against its own message of "memories don't make you". The writing is total trash, but it does look great.

I'm not saying the original GitS is flawless, far from it, but it was at least interested in exploring existential issues in a clunky way. It's still much more sophisticated than 95% of any anime since.

its 3dpd

but not 3dpb plebait

plebs hate it

and not anime

So what exactly should I watch for Ghost in the Shell?

Is it just a movie? Is there an anime?

I watched that one show with the cat robomaid and the gay android, forgot the name though

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This accurately summed up my opinions on it as well

>>155339428
Read the original manga if you want, it's just three volumes. Watch the 1995 movie, that's the most important part, it's a genuinely important film and among the best animated movies ever made. You can watch the other movies if you'd like but none are really all that important.

Stand Alone Complex, both seasons, is good. Opinions vary too much for me to be objective and I can't say it's anywhere near as influential, but it's worth your time compared to 99% of anime.

Arise I've heard is weak, I've never watched it.

None of these are necessary to watch the live action movie because it's an adaptation of the original manga/movie with a number of changes made to include references to Stand Alone Complex.

>>155339428
you watch it for cyborg ass and some action, the plot of any of it makes literally no sense and it's just pretentious garbage

>>155339428
I recommend reading at least some of the mango from the beginning. The art is crazy good, the backgrounds and mecha are unbelievably detailed. The writing gets kinda nonsensical at times but it's still interesting techno-thriller stuff.

The 1995 film is considered a classic though the character designs wildly deviate from the mango -- Makoto is kinda ugly. Still the animation and music are as good or better than just about anything except Ghibli.

>>155339535
>>155339578
Alright, I'll look up the original movie on Nyaa.

I suck at manga though, I've tried reading several different ones and I always just lose interest despite loving the concept or the anime.

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>>155339578
>Makoto is kinda ugly

the fuck did you just say about my husbando?

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>>155339578
I forgot how good Shirow was. One of the best pure technical draftsman there ever was.

>>155328644
China might add something, but the rest of the foreign markets will just go see Beauty and the Beast.

>>155323763
Mamoru is too busy drawing big horse penises these days.

>>155340261
>Mamoru
Swing and a miss

>>155324674
>America being bad a small theme in GITS?
>Small theme
Nigger they beat that shit over your head constantly in the show. America is literally disney evil and responsible for everything bad of significant enough complexity that happens in Japan, even when it makes no sense.

Apparently in the future, America has nothing better to do but turn fascist, and lose world wars, and fuck with Japanese cops.

Everyone is making this movie sound like Speed Racer: great visual, garbage everything else.
Is this how all anime adaptations will be?

I just got back from watching it today. I was expecting it to be bad but it was even worse. In fact, I don't think I've seen a movie quite this bad in a long time. The dialogue was trite (with gems like "they made your shell, but your ghost is yours"), the attempt at a philosophical veneer was laughably poor, and the plot was paper thin. They just took a few iconic scenes from the 1995 film, replaced the Puppetmaster with Kuze (or "Koozay", as they called him) and tried to tie it all together with some lame plot about the Major's past. For her part, Major (which for some reason is now a name rather than a rank or title) has none of the agency, willpower or emotional maturity or intelligence of her counterparts from the 95 film or SAC. And Aramaki just outright murders a man in cold blood at the end, with Major calling it "justice" despite the complete lack of due process or judicial oversight.

From a film-making perspective there were very few (if any) good camera shots, the slo-mo shots were campy, there were scenes that I was legitimately worried would trigger epileptic seizures in people, the special effects were okay for Hollywood but nothing to write home about, the music was completely unremarkable until they played Making of a Cyborg during the end credits, and for some reason it looked as though ScarJo just doesn't know how to stand. Her posture was really awkward all throughout the movie.

>Pros:
Making of a Cyborg. Thankfully, they played the original rather than that dubstep remix, but why didn't they just play it during the opening scene? What a waste.
The basset hound was a nice touch, but it's inclusion just confuses me. Someone somewhere was thoughtful enough to include it as a homage, yet the movie was just a complete bastardization nonetheless.
The cyberpunk city design was kind of cool.

>Cons:
Literally everything else. I deeply regret blowing ten bucks on this. People are profiting from my suffering.

>>155340482
Yes. There's literally no reason to take an anime and make it live action. It's 100% cringe 100% of the time.

>>155340482
We aren't Marvelfags which will eat up everything

>>155340662
>We aren't Marvelfags which will eat up everything
>this is literally the board that thinks BvS was a good movie

yeah, definitely not the kind of board that loves garbage just for the sake of it

>>155322314
I just did.
It was surprisingly okay.
Sure they mixed up a bunch of scenes from all over the canon, but it was enjoyable.
Could have been a lot worse.
Maybe my lowered expectations played a role in impression too.

>>155327738
>tfw I watched both the original and this new adaptation in theatres and I liked both of them

What are you going to do about it?

>>155338949
But that's not the concept in this one. In this one, she's a girl that was turned into a cyborg, had her memories erased, and found her mother.

>>155341100
Still a lot weirder than the kind of movie Americans will watch.

>>155341149
It's Robocop. Americans made Robocop and watched it, twice.

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We're all in agreement over this right?

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>>155341168
>facebook memes

Reminder that the success of this movie can lead to a renneissance of anime and manga adaptations taking the world by storm and if you are rooting for its failure you are actively contributing to stupid fucking superheroes continuing to dominate the cultural zeitgeist.

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They completely missed the point of the anime movie.

It's garbage.

>>155340692
>BvS
what? stop talking like a retard
>>155340482
>Speed Racer
What was the problem? I doubt you can do a meaningful story from some old garbage cartoon for little kids.

>>155341166
You're incredibly disconnected from reality if you think the average person can understand plot structures and concepts on that level. They see "cool movie where a robot cop fights criminals" vs. "weird movie where a girl in a skin tight suit fights geisha robots in future tokyo."

>>155341198
we don't care about holywood and the west

the less normies watching anime related stuff the better

next thing you know the nips will start pandering to them

>>155341209
you are a fucking autist

>>155341198
It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Went to see it yesterday with the GF. Got to watch it in the theater with the 5 people that couldn't get a ticket to all the sold out showings of Boss Baby. We both love everything GitS, but we ended up tuning out most of this new movie pretty quickly. It's just boring. I saw someone post on here about getting to see an early showing and saying it was just Robocop. I thought they were joking. No, it's just Robocop.

Robocop: Arise

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>>155341378
>GF

>>155341378
if it's like the new Robocop then it's good
only autists think the original is some masterpiece and has some deep meaning, like this brain dead retard >>155341209

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>>155341398
Yeah, GF, my Good Friend...

>>155341462
Rubbing in our faces that you have good friends is just as bad as doing it with your girlfriend.
Shame on you.

>>155341534
Who cares how you feel?

>>155341534
My good friend Righty? Lefty only likes movies that cost more to torrent than to make. Goddamn it, stop outing me.

>>155322314
Tasted like an typical action flick, and kinda hoped it would've been better since the US bring out the best sci-fi cinema. Guess nostalgia and homages gets you so far, if it isn't a 1:1 faithful repro.

Better off building up new from just the premise, or start a original piece. Adaptations rarely work.

>>155341609
Who cares about your friend faggot?

>>155341442
This. GitS is literally just Jap Robocop anyway.

But does this movie confirm ScarJo as a money making mannequin?

>Moves like her limbs are wooden for most scenes
>Only moves fluidly with the help of CG in action scenes

>that part when ScarJo asks black woman "are you a human?"
Did anyone thought that this was pretty racist?

>>155341781
Only if you wanted her to say no

>>155341640
Not even him or his GF.

I'm not the guy who gets triggered like an alt right wing nut.

>>155341856
>triggered
>GF or friends on /a/
How newcancer are you?

>>155341895
>newcancer

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>>155324256
It isn't, the animation is great but the story itself is fucking boring. Other movies have done the same things better than it.
That said I still like to watch it now and again, it's babby's first pseudo-philosophical movie like Lain.

>>155340482
SpeedRacer was a faithful adaptation. Any of it's faults are the faults of source material.

>>155340482
Seeing as most anime is visuals with garbage story and characters. Yes.

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>make new friends
They said.

>>155342349
We will never get an end for Appleseed.

>>155322314
The action and visuals were good, but the dialogue and writing was often cringe-inducingly bad.

4/10

>Are you human
>asked the white woman a black woman

>>155343768
How do you keep getting away with it, Raimi?

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>>155340449
To be fair I think that's technically the American Empire part of America, which would make some sense considering all the MIC production in those states.

I think technically the Russo-American Alliance and remains of the USA weren't war participants.

>>155335068
>>155335163
In a russian gulag?

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>camrips already out
Man, I'm sometimes grateful that the west doesn't have such tight laws about those.

>>155344504
Where do you live with such laws? Japan?

>>155335068
Not him, but are you referring to Itoh's Harmony? As somebody who read the novel, it was truly fucking shit. Miach looked like a bizarre tall grey-haired monster instead of a tomboy who knew how to fiddle around with tech. It's like they went the Naruto route; if a character has an ability (especially clan-related), make her look different. The MC didn't feel like the Major with a hint of Levy, either. She looked like Kurisu, and I couldn't really believe that she smoked and did "unhealthy" things.
>>155344687
Japan does have tight laws about camrips. The few camrips of anime you see tend to be from western countries, like Germany.

>>155332199
she does swap barrel rifles

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>>155322626
Poor asian americans, for not being hired to play japanesians.

>>155344967
in germany they used to show this "for filming and uploading you can be sent to jail for 5 years" before movies in cinemas. no idea how hard they really prosecuted people doing this, but law wise i'd imagine it can't get much worse

>>155345286
As a romanian, can you explain to me why the fuck do some americans call black people that live in african countries "african-american"? It doesn't make sense at all. If they (and their predecessors) lived in America, I'd understand, but why call some random nigger from Ghana "African-American"? Do they not acknowledge the existence of Ghana?

>>155338149
>>155338545
>>155338651
for the future Basset Hound

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>>155324172
Besides the animation, you are correct. Both GITS and Akira look great, but arnt very good movies as a whole. They just reached meme conplexes somehow.

SAC and Akira (the manga) are great however.

>>155325239
>(((white)))

>>155345635
>GitS 1995
I watched it right around when SAC began, and "that's it"? came to mind. It had great visuals and a semblance of depth in it, but it felt like it ended rather abruptly. Thankfully, SAC came out and fleshed out the characters more. Hell, even the Tachikoma were developed and became bearable by the end.

>>155345484
what else would you call them? All other words they used before are racist now, so they go with the established one they use for the ethnicity in question at home

>>155345825
i didn't like it that much either, especially the major fusing with 2501. But the questions and philosophical problems it raised were ineresting nontheless. The movie made you think about problems you never heard about (at least as long as you're not a cyberpunk fan).

>>155322314
The script was terrible. If you don't get distracted by the visuals you are gonna have a bad time.

>>155345635

This guy is correct. GitS is criminally overrated.

And that's one of the reasons why the live action movie ends up being better

>>155338041

It wasn't a factory, but a Museum.

>>155345867
I have no idea about their names, but calling people that live in Africa and don't even care about going to the US "african-american" makes as much sense as calling chinese people living in Mainland China "Canadian-Asian" just because a lot of Chinese live in Canada (I don't really know if many chinese actually live in Canada, that's just a rumour I've heard).

Black people doesn't have the right tone to it, and Negro would remind them too much of "nigger".

>>155345484
>>155346205
African-american is (was?) pushed as the only polite way to refer to them, and actual africans rarely come up in conversation, so some people just default to it without thinking. I've seen an Indian get called a Native American for the same reason.

>>155345921
> especially the major fusing with 2501
Why not? I thought the creation of technological offspring was a pretty interesting way to pose the question if robots (or cyborgs I guess) can ever be considered a life-form, because creating offspring is the biological drive of many if not all organisms.

>>155346205
The true reason why someone might call an African in Africa an Africa-American is because they're fucking retarded. That's it. If you see anyone doing that, call them out on it.

>>155346205
you say it yourself. Apart from "african" no word comes to mind that won't get the PC crowd to spit acid into your face. And even that's questionable from what i heard. You can't call them by the name of their ethnic group either because africa has like 50 of them.

>>155345635
A lot of the praise for the original movie comes from its framing and cinematic qualities. It was exceptionally well directed and storyboarded. Every shot was visually interesting in distinct ways, many of which were unique compared to what anime and film of the time were doing. It was a big part of a renaissance in animated film-making that petered out by the end of the 90s and exemplified a lot of the new techniques and trends.

Part of what makes the plot good is the way that it was communicated so effectively while also being understated. The movie was a primarily visual experience, yet kept that exceptionally well-structured visual focus without compromising the narrative. It advanced an aesthetic that was, at the time, completely unique.

The only reason people have trouble appreciating that nowadays is because cyberpunk aesthetic has been rehashed so much that it's taken for granted. It's hard to appreciate being subtly introduced to an unfamiliar world in depth through its visual presentation when you're already exhaustively familiar with that world and its visuals, which is partially a product of a multitude of western derivatives dragging a cool subgenre through the mud.

>>155346591
it's certainly interesting from a technological/philosophical standpoint but i just didn't want to give the major up for that plot point. In innocence her character seems to have barely changed (apart from her having no body, that is) but in the original movie we didn't knew that. They fused into the major/2501 hybrid that would now be able to produce real, diverse, individual children but we don't see what that new being is like.

After first watching that movie and thinking about the philosophical content i still wanted to see section 9 just work together and kick ass because i liked the characters so much. Luckily we got SAC for that a decade or so later.

>>155325045
the rogue ai was American in origin I thought in the movie. Also it was more like everybody was a little evil it was just America wasn't as big a player as it used to be so it was being more reckless.

>>155341168
I thought arise was garbage

>>155347430
it wasn't as good as the original movie, innocence or SAC. But it did the whole manipulated memory storyline a lot better than the live action movie.

>>155347476
This is true, but Arise needed multiple movies before that plot really came together. The first one was kind of a mess and the intrigue really only worked well as a set up for the payoff the later movies delivered

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>>155347766
true, but the manipulated memory storyline could've easily been compressed into <2 hours. There was a lot of other stuff going on in arise. Not that i mind, i welcome any decent new GitS content.

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>>155322314
given that it's based on the most overrated piece of shit in whole anime/manga medium it's not that bad movie. 6/10

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>>155347869
Get away from me, slut.

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Saw it yesterday with a friend who I got to watch the 1995 movie a couple of days prior. It's very average. Looks very nice and pretty but that's where the praise ends. It tries to do what the original movie did by taking bits and pieces of story from across the existing media but it doesn't pull it off. The Kuze parts are certainly the weakest aspects and every scene that's taken from the movie screams "remember this in GitS 1995? We can do it too!" especially in pic related where my friend laughed at how blatant it was.

5 or 6/10

>>155348148
that scene wasn't too bad though, they managed to somewhat get the original message across. The boat scene was by far the worst. It's like they went "oh yeah, we should send the major diving like in the original movie" and then forgot that the discussion with batou was the important part of that scene.

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>Went on release day to see it
>Cute girl walks in alone with a Capsule Corp tshirt and sits near me
>Spend the pre-movie adverts thinking how I should strike a conversation
>Mentally prepare myself
>Dude suddenly cuts past me and sits next to her
>"Hey babe"
>They spend most of the movie kissing loudly
>mfw

>>155348208
Yeah, the boat scene did not add anything to the movie.

>>155348250
Fuck off, frogfag.

>>155331397
That would be rude and disrespectful under nips standards.

>>155324236
T-t-this