>Gendo fucks up a much superior anti-angel weapon just because

It was never about killing angels, it was just about getting Shinji in the motherfucking goddamned robot.

>>155277825
Gendo achieved that on episode 1

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>hear people mentioning anno having budget problems with nge
>first episode is about gendo getting told that he has to watch his fucking budget

>>155277721
>no AT Field
It's shit.

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>>155277721
But biomechs are wayyyy cooler.

>>155277825
Basically this.

The entire plot is some bullshit by a bunch of assholes fucking up the rest of humanity over and over for their own interests.

That's the real story.
All of them were pieces of shit and if people had truly known what was going on you can bet the whole EVA program would have been put to a stop and it would have been replaced by a more transparent agenda to save mankind by whatever means necessary.

An army of fully mechanical robots based on the jet alone program would have been much better at that.
Plus those fucking eggs and their embryos should have been destroyed to prevent any tang shenanigans.
They had no wikileaks to save them from the illuminati in that world.

If you want to aloha snackbar the angel, sure. It's a remotely controlled nuclear reactor with legs

>>155278224
This, it would just end up nuking whatever area it was trying to protect

>>155278410
Weren't the angels only awakened because they were screwing with pre-EVA technology?

Nuclear reactors can't just turn into nuclear bombs, even if it melts down, more paranoid jap nonsense.

>>155278461
They were awakened, lured and baited deliberately.
Everything was a farce.

>>155278528
Good thing jet alone wasn't strictly a traditional nuclear reactor

>>155278150
How is money even a concern in the apocalypse?

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>>155277721
All according to the Dead Sea Scrolls

>>155278150
Actually it was time constraints that was the real problem. They rode their bike to give the TV station the demo tape minutes before Eva's airing time for a few episodes. They didn't review some of the episodes prior but let it slide due to Eva's popularity notablely Kaworu's episode. They got in some real hot shit for killing a childlike character in TV and needed to see everything early so that's why episode 26 literally uses household materials

Not budget, time. It's how they were able to throw director's cut footage straight on their DVD's

>>155278461
Yeah, I think they tried something called a "contact experiment" once before when they found Adam in the ice of Antarctica.

>>155278612
Not money but general resource allocation to preservation efforts. No point in saving anyone if nothing is left to be saved.

>>155277721
>superior
>no AT field
It literally was an utterly pointless waste of money done only due to military-industrial complex political bullshit and because they didn't want to be so dependent on NERV, which is understandable but doesn't change that fact it was useless. Yeah there was a whole secret agenda and so forth but doesn't change JA being junk.

Misato was not in on the secret SEELE shit or Gendo's plans or whatever, she genuinely believed in the publicly stated cause, and she and Ritsuko shat on it for good reason. If JA was the kind of thing that could work then so would N2 mines and JA wouldn't even be needed, they could just blast the shit out of Angels without any robots at all.

>>155278612
You what? In a post-apoc scenario resources are MORE valuable and limited, not less.

>>155277721

This is what the rebuild movies should have been about that robot and its developers

>>155278410
But how would they get past the AT Fieldo?

>>155278893
Sounds incredibly dull considering they've never come into contact with any of the angels

Although I guess and entire show about R&D would be pretty ambitious.

>>155279007
Science that shit until they get it done.

>>155279038
You dont get it, there would be drama and shit. And a little girl.

>>155279052
Enjoy being extinct before then.

>>155279007
positron rifles senpai
you know the thing that worked in literally the previous episode

>>155278836
N2 mines worked.(sometimes)
It's just that they would have annihilated half of the region in evers single fight.

>your entire zionist illuminati memeplan relies on getting your autistic son into the fucking robot
>almost gets nuked in the first five seconds

100 million IQ Master strategist Ikari Gendo

>>155277721
I like that this piece of garbage is becoming a meme.

>>155279180
Dummy plugs would have worked just fine

Politics and bureaucracy, my man. Your local post office or DMV does the same shit.

>>155279114
Why not just take away electricity then to make NERV crippled completely?
You need all of it to fire the damn thing even once.

>miss shot with you expensive toy
>the EVA destroys your even more expensive nuclear oven robot in the next 20 seconds

>>155279180
The angels were the agenst of Seele

>>155279264
Shinji literally missed the first shot, then they deflected the return-fire with some spaceship parts "shield"
You need another rewatch

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Jet Alone, come back!

>>155279501
And how does that matter?
The infrastructure can only support one of those rifles.
EVA deflects with the shield,nuclear shit goes boom in the next 20 seconds.

Remember that the double pyramid didn't really have a melee attack.
And it wasn't exactly the agile type.

The EVA is a moving target.

Ehhh, but JA' was great. Especially waist-spin-hammer-attack

>>155279693
Meh, I stopped paying attention once Asuka's titties showed up

>>155279967
When was that exactly?
I'm trying to forget it.

There was the flashback back in Germany
The on time when he climbed over Kaji in the office
The shower scene
Walls of Jericho scene

Forgot any?


Still,most of these happened after the positron rifle thingy.

To quote a guy I once met:
>You need another rewatch

>>155279967
She's 13 you sicko

>>155280135
Wasn't she 15-16?

>>155280135
In my book if she isn't a virgin she isn't a kid

>>155280200
But she is a virgin yoh dumb twat!

>>155279135
N2 mines sometimes slowed an angel down.

That's about it.

>>155280248
Yeah, just like Rei, eh?

>>155280190
No, she turned 14 at the very end of the series. I think during her coma actually.
>>155280200
She is a virgin

>>155280135
Best age.
Ripe for the picking yet still fresh.

>>155280292
Burned it 20 percent.(? Or something like that)
It did something.
Why not launch 10 more?
It's not like Japan's nuclear virginity is at stake.

>>155280343
Wasn't it that they were 14 at the beginning?
I remember something like that.
Even if it's only the Wikipedia page.

>>155280300
>Rei
Which one?

>>155280343
>>155280248
Asuka got the Kaji dick

Rei got Gendo'd

Misato got both

Katsuragi got the corner of a table

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>>155280393
dlet

>>155277721
I WALK A LONELY ROAD

>>155279693
>double pyramid didn't really have a melee attack.
It had the drill anon.

>>155280429
Asuka is younger than Shinji, Rei is chronologically the youngest but who knows beyond that.
>>155280467
No she didn't. Rei has multiple bodies.

>>155280429
>Why not launch 10 more?
The damage might not stack and you risk shattering Earth's core and sliding Japan the fuck off into the deep ocean to the east if you increase charge power.

>>155280491
That's more of a tool in my book.
It was used as a tool,not as a weapon.
The primary weapon was that pinpoint accurate lightgun shit.

>>155280571
>It was used as a tool,not as a weapon.
>Axe
>Hammer
>Machete
>Screwdriver
>Fork
>Spoon
>A toaster in a towel

>>155280563
Then try it out with two.
They didn't even test the nukes fully.

>>155280135
You need to go back.

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>>155280571
And sexy angles.
Stupid, sexy angles.

>>155280628
That drill was like a really weak pencil
Interesting that it didn't break while exchanging fire.

It's a flimsy line that got deployed slowly (like your dick)

>>155280469
God I hope the E7 stuff is going to be good. Ao hurts my soul.

>>155280664
>unironically tolerating two-digit grannies

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>>155280643
Because Japan is island nation and they needed both island and GeoFront relatively intact, not ripped apart by 200MT explosion.
>test the nukes fully.
Anon you do know that theoretically there is no upper level to the power of layered thermonuclear bomb provided you have enough materials to produce it?
They're limited by fear of shattering the Earth's crust, not the production capabilities currently.
US or Russia can probably construct a device to blow the Earth to smithereens in ~20 years or so.

>>155280563
No need to increase charge power, just make a few consecutive strikes. If one was enough to harm it significantly, a few will kill it little by little while posing no risk of breaking crust.

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>>155280737
>weak pencil
>efficiently working through GeoFront defensive barriers
>didn't break while exchanging fire
>deployed slowly
>inevitable impeding doom

>>155280767
Good post.

>>155280819
You know what I meant.
It's a shitty drill.
Like the one on oil wells.
It's not a fucking epik melee weapon.

>>155280768
see
>>155280789

>>155280789
>a few will kill it little by little
Core will be protected by AT field and only another AT field can break through it.
Spamming nukes will stall for time while outside manifested flesh of Angel burns away - but it will regenerate every time until the Core is destroyed.
You'd fuck yourself with fallout, nuclear winter and ice age if you keep using it to nuke regenerating Angel every hour.

>>155280904
See >>155280923
>>155280888
Checked.
>It's a shitty drill
Drills are fearsome anon, didn't certain anime teach you that?
Also it's a fucking angel.
You don't know if it could throw them around like spears or spawn 4 of them and turn into whirlwind of apocalypse rotating at 20k rpm.

>>155280923
>burn the flesh away
>walk over there with whatever unit you have at hand
>Smash the core that is now unprotected
>PROFIT
Wow,we really needed the torturing of teenage pilots for this plan.
Bravo Gendo, the next Napoleon

>>155280923
>fallout, nuclear winter
N2 stands for NN
Anyway when it's rendered immobile just use the energy rifle from geometric angel ep and you are set.
They could win easily and safely (with some unfortunate loss of life) but the plot needed to happen.

>>155280768
>US or Russia can probably construct a device to blow the Earth to smithereens in ~20 years or so.
Damn, that sounds like fun.

>>155281006
see
>>155280923

>>155281006
Because it didn't fucking do it.
It had a laser-photon rooty-tooty point and shooty at hand.
It was designed for long distance combat,not for chugging spears.

>>155281040
Actually - what the fuck stopped them from just developing small nuclear reactors to power the gun? Worst case humanity dies either way, so why fear strapping some beside the mines?

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>>155281032
>now unprotected
AT field.
But it would easier to do with EVA for sure.
>>155281040
Well I agree it would help to deliver the final strike, but it still will have to be carried out by something with AT field = EVA.
>>155281084
>picrelated
Well, this is awkward.
I don't get why you quoted these two posts of mine.
First is about drill second is about Core being protected by AT field, impervious to nukes.
What's your point?

It doesnt count as sex if you put an AT field around your hymen

>>155281127
>Because it didn't fucking do it.
>It had a laser-photon rooty-tooty point and shooty at hand.
Because you don't use your Emperor-issued chainsword if enemy generously stays in the range of your bolter some distance away.
You only rev it up when enemy comes close which didn't happen so you can stick it up their guts.

>>155281182
>Well I agree it would help to deliver the final strike, but it still will have to be carried out by something with AT field = EVA.
Nope, rifle would work either way. EVA just served as a mounting point, no reason why you can't mount it on a giant tank or the nuclear robot.

>>155281161
>small nuclear reactors to power the gun
I thought several big ones powered it up through the super-conducting grid.
Compact power-source to power it probably is out of reach for current tech in the setting.

>>155281182
>>>picrelated
>Well, this is awkward.
>I don't get why you quoted these two posts of mine.
>First is about drill second is about Core being protected by AT field, impervious to nukes.
>What's your point?
Obviously I mislinked, meant >>155281040

>>155281182
Unportected in the sense that iw won't/can't fight back.
Just smash it with the EVA and be done with it.
Or just penetrate the AT field with the rifle.
It can be done.
It's a ridiculous workaround worthy of a video game,but it can be done.

>>155280923
>nuclear winter
Nice cold war propoganda meme. We've already tested hundreds of high power nukes. Where is the fucking nuclear winter?

>>155281309
They could have used JAs as mobile power sources.
IIRC JA' was equipped with N2 reactor or some shit and it was even more compact.
And it also totally did not make choo choo noises.

>>155281293
>Nope, rifle would work either way.
Good luck putting half the world's power grid offline every time angel shows up in addition to turning whichever country left into moon terrain.
I also thought the fuses used in rifle as ammo worth too much to afford much of them.
May be headcanon.

>>155281464
You just turn the Central Kanto area into a permanent crater.
Big fucking deal.

>>155281343
>Just smash it with the EVA and be done with it.
I agree with that, but Japan will look like a moon if they relied on nukes every time angel appeared.
Also refer to >>155281464

>>155281537
Only Japan's grid went off-line to fire the rifle.

>>155281435
>Where is the fucking nuclear winter?
>eggheads say mini-ice age is coming
That doesn't mean you'd like to blow this shit up unless you have silent agreement from some island natives or you're a biggest country in the world and just don't care about relatively small patch of your land.
Blowing shit up near GeoFront, and this is where angels will converge, will turn it into radioactive moon terrain which will complicate things greatly.
Repeatedly striking attacking angels will leave whole Japan desolated.
Not to mention Angels are not unified in design and attack tactics: not every of them will just walk in a straight line to the GeoFront for you to target them easily.

>>155280789
Boy I'm glad you don't work in the fucking military

>>155281452
>JA
My canon is rusty.
But I still don't think one device could power a rifle.
Authors made a big deal of illustrating how entire country or was it even beyond Japan? fed it power for two shots.

>>155281464
>Good luck putting half the world's power grid offline every time angel shows up
Problematic, yeah, but some countries already deal with blackouts on regular basis. It's more a bother than a problem. Anyway it's perfectly doable and more foolproof than gigantic biorobots.
>addition to turning whichever country left into moon terrain
Several bombs used in a single spot consecutively don't really damage the surroundings more than a single bomb (at least at this scale). You just get a bit deeper crater, still nowhere near enough to get through crust.

>>155281674
What? You prefer risking the whole Earth instead of letting a few million people die? The bomb they used didn't even kill too many people.

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>>155281695
>entire country
Yes, it was only Japan
>one device
That's why I said JAs

>>155281699
>Several bombs used in a single spot
Angels won't generously allow you that.
See last line of >>155281647
>>155281674
Not him, but that's exactly how military think.
I've seen live examples in military contractors, full of former military personnel: if a screw don't go into a wall with a few punches of hammer - they're going to find a stronger guy and have him punch it until it's done or otherwise result is acceptable.

>>155281758
cont
Or at least keep it as backup plan.

>>155281699
The angels are proceduraly evolving over time, they just kind of spawn into the worl(below the earths crust) carrying some loose ideas/memories/thoughts that give them a base understanding of combat and tactics. How in the fuck are you supposed to shoot the black hole angel that exists only in shadow with a gun, or the one that swims through lava? There's no base set of tactics you can apply to these things.

>>155281647
>will turn it into radioactive moon terrain which will complicate things greatly.
Did you even watch it? N2 is not nuclear, no fallout.

>>155281065
There was a hypothetical device called "Dirty Bomb".
With carefully chosen detonation location it can shit almost over all over the world turning large portion of it completely uninhabitable for hundreds of years due to harsh fallout.
You only need a moderately powerful nuclear device and some cesium or kobold.
>>155280789
>just make a few consecutive strikes
Angels are not exactly conventional target with unified design and tactic.
You can't hope to pin them down in a small area which can be sacrificed to fallout and glass craters.

>>155281758
Why would you even waste the money on bombs? What happens when they encounter Sahaquiel, which they did fire hundreds of n2 bombs at and didn't make a scratch.

>>155281783
>That's why I said JAs
That's why I said my canon is rusty.
What's a JA?
Shit they used to power the roboeva?
>>155281945
>Did you even watch it?
Long time ago.
Japan have a serious issues with habitable farmable land which is overpopulated even now.
If they fuck this over with craters - even without fallouts - they'll have to become even more dependent on UN or whoever for food and supplies.
Angels are also use different design and tactics so you'll have to span N2 in the ocean tsunamis, in the air, in space, maybe underground and on three occasions Angels had to be dealt with inside the GeoFront if I remember correctly.

>>155281972
>What happens when they encounter Sahaquiel, which they did fire hundreds of n2 bombs at and didn't make a scratch.
Bigger bombs.

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>>155282093
See
>>155277721

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>>155282101
We've got /k/ here.

>>155282150
>see op
Okay, I remember this shit used some kind of reactor.
I still don't think it alone can power the rifle, why are you so sure of the opposite?

>>155282093
>If they fuck this over with craters - even without fallouts - they'll have to become even more dependent on UN or whoever for food and supplies.
End this stupid shit, they may not always work as other pointed out, but using them wouldn't be a great problem, the diameter of explosion was relatively small, it would be nothing compared to Japan's area and they depend on import when it comes to food either way.
Solution isn't great but not for the reasons you seem to imply.

>>155282093
>>155282200
Jesus Christ Anon, watch the series again or at least read things up on a wiki.

>>155282093
>and on three occasions Angels had to be dealt with inside the GeoFront
Judging by crater size, it would be fine. It's way stronger than nuclear bunker.

>>155282246
>but using them wouldn't be a great problem
>Solution isn't great but not for the reasons you seem to imply
I also implied reasons like Angels using different approach every time
>giant comet Angels
>Angels coming from the sea
Hi tsunamis
>Angels infiltrating the GeoFront itself
etc. sometimes you can't target them sometimes even if you can - they're either too massive for N2 to make a dent or their AT field is too strong.
I bet no ammount of N2 could penetrate the laser cube Angel, which is why they used the rifle.

>>155277721
Gendo's ultimate goal is to meet her wife again.

>>155282246
Besides "the world" would surely help guys who defeated world-ending monstrosities.
So blowing up part of their land would be no problem with the vision of being annihilated if they do nothing.

>>155282361
So use both weapons in concert and do away with EVAs as I'm suggesting from the very start.

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>>155282317
I'm too old now to bite on empty symbolism and pseudo-deep meaning bait and there is too much Shinji being emo in between of action.
I don't think I'll be able to endure it.
It's best leave fond, albeit foggy, memories of the title instead of being disillusioned in it with no chance of recovery.

>>155282448
(You)

Enjoy it

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>>155282430
>So use both weapons in concert
You'd have to build a turret in a size of EVA and probably complexly mechanized to allow mobility and aim.
How do you aim that gargantuan rifle on a variety of targets?
Surely you don't propose N2uking the shit out of angels while a crew of 6000 men transport disassembled rifle by railway to a range just outside of N2 explosion shockwave, assembling the rifle on site near desperately regenerating Angel, then quickly assembling the rifle and using fast-deployed railway to bring it to a point blank range in between of N2 blasts and shoot the Core?

>>155280493
Rei is 5 years old.

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>>155277721
>Aw jeez guys, you know what this board needs? Another Eva thread.

>>155280135
Get the fuck outta here.

>>155282104
Love this motherfucker, he didnt fuck around.

>>155277721
Without a AT Field, the Jet Alone would get fucked in seconds.

>>155283094
She has multiple bodies. I don't consider them alive until her soul is transplanted in it.

>>155282594
Couldn't it just be a mech like JA? A turret on legs with a nuclear generator?

>>155284471
It could, but without AT field - it's completely defenseless against Angels and would fare not much better than those conventional forces we saw failing at stalling them.
I don't think they could build a whole lot of them either, considering they only had 1 rifle prepared.

>>155284632
Couldn't you put an AT field on it? Surely, the whole body isn't needed, just the core.
Breed them for cores and then seal them in something ridiculous, better than flesh and a bit of metal.
Don't forget that the technology to replicate the Lance of Longinus exists, or at least could be developed.

What we have then is:
>A shielded EVA core with an S2 and mechanical legs (it could even fly)
>a Lance of Longinus replica loaded in some sort of mechanized atlatl and an on-board computer system that can pinpoint the core

>>155284973
>Couldn't you put an AT field on it?
>Breed them for cores and then seal them in something ridiculous
Nice recipe for a disaster you've got there.

>>155284973
More:
>An atlatl wouldn't work well mid-air
>So, it could be given tripod legs
>dummy plug
>>155285104
They've already been doing it, this at least separates the core from its real body. Feed the body to other subjects or something.
Remove the S2 if you want to be a safety nut.

It has problems, but it at least seems much more cheap and safe than forcing a kid into a giant biped. My design is just a glorified drone

>>155285333
>Remove S2
>No pilot
That's just a bigass red bead then.
No soul=no AT field.

>>155285529
What about a dummy plug? Isn't that just a simulated soul that somehow works with the core?

>>155285687
I don't remember if it had an AT field or not.
They only used it against EVA zombified by Angel so it might not be projecting one at the time.

>>155279007
Hit it REALLY HARD. That was always an option like the Positron Rifle or the N2 mines show. Jet Alone could possibly direct enough force with say a punch, or a tackle, or something to punch a hole into an AT Field.

>>155284167
>Muh AT Field

Even after being told that Gendo and SEELE are playing everybody in the world they still take their word as gospel in that "Only muh Evas can hurt the Angels" when that was proven false multiple times.

>>155278410
It was a world with no internet in their past. They literally had to send agents to collect info.

>>155286171
The AT field is more of a shield. I assume a heavily-damaged angel can retaliate a bit when recovering.

For the tripod drone thing I came up with, even a little retaliation is devastating, because it needs to sit there and aim, and if it misses then it needs to be reloaded manually.

For JA, it cost a lot and contains a nuclear reactor. Without an AT field it is very vulnerable.

>>155279507
>Watch Sephirotic.
>So High Definition you can see scratches in the cells or animation not entirely lining up with the background or finger prints on cells.

Always the pay off for BD quality cel animation. A much more clear picture, but you see all the imperfections made because it's literally physical animation and they made this shit never intending for it to be seen on a higher than SD display.

>>155282104
best angel best episode

>>155278893
I'm just imagining something like more than just SEELE dealing with the Angels, and in the end it becomes an arms race as the plans for the Evas and the next Impact are contradicted and conflicted by humanity as a whole arming up and researching countless revenues of practical military and arms research to circumvent Angels and the AT Fields.

And then when everything breaks down, it doesn't just boil into "slaughter SEELE and drop MP Evas in for the agenda" but a mecha palooza as everything goes straight to hell, even involving different national conflict as well as interservice conflict.

>>155277721
Jet Alone could not possibly reliably penetrate AT fields, whereas Evas could. Stop posting this revisionist bullshit.

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>>155277721
>No means to get past an AT-field
>"superior"
>The Angel's face when

>>155277721
You can't start third impact with a robot

>Jet Alone guy mocks Katsuragi
>"A rampaging Eva is like a hysterical woman"
>it actually is

Pottery

This shit was still dangerous though.

Why didn humanity just build technology that surpassed ancient aliens

>>155285687
Dummy didn't have an AT field, Unit 1 went partially berserk and started to leak it's own field but the dummy was just a pilot no field.

>>155277721
>Placing nuclear reactor on mech meant for urban warfare
>superior tech
Gendo saved a buttload of people with this act.