Why is this so much better than Naruto and Bleach?
>>155162345
More backstory, more natural flow, the world doesn't exist just for the main cast, and it never feels like it lost what it intended to do.
nah, naruto's better.
It has actual character development. Some may be bad, but a lot of it is good, and that puts it ahead of the 1 dimensional tropes of the Strawhats.
People just like One Piece because it takes no risk. It's literally the same arc told over and over again with little sense of progression and the same old interactions.
It's good, but Nardo is better.
>>155162345
I've always hated the artstyle.
>>155162345
Its not quite 'better' but its by far more consistent
Naruto/Bleach's highs are much higher then OP's but their lows are much lower then OP's as well.
One Piece is consistently entertaining. It never gets a huge WHOA factor but it keeps you reading it because overall its a fun read.
Not ground breaking, but enjoyable?
If that makes sense.
>>155162678
This
>>155162345
The anime adaptation surely isn't.
>>155162678
In other words, it is always the same.
>>155162678
Objectively cirrect
>>155162678
Nah, One Piece just doesn't take itself seriously. It's a self-parody whereas Naruto and Bleach have both 'serious' and 'comedic' moments. That's why 1P never feels like it's going to WHOA you.
>>155162345
Not hard to be better than these 2 shit series
>>155162345
I don't know, I prefer a light-hearted adventure shonen with great worldbuilding than generic edgy ninjashit.
It took longer for it to start getting bad. Where as Bleach started getting bad after Soul Society arc and Naruto in part 2. By bad I mean intellectually offensively bad.
>>155164745
When did One Piece start getting bad?
>>155162345
It isn't. Naruto is much better.
>>155162345
>better than bleach
yes
>better than naruto
lol wanpiss never better than naruto
>>155162345
Naruto is better than One Piece, but both are miles ahead of Bleach.
>>155162345
I only made it to about 50 episodes in. How long will it take me to watch the rest of the episodes and the movies /a/? I want to get back into it after not watching for a while because I heard the later arcs were really good (Enies Lobby, Water 7, Alabasta, Sky Island, Summit War Saga, etc.).
>>155162678
>It never gets a huge WHOA factor
I don't know man, Alabasta, Skypea, Enies Lobby all had great highs.
Even Drum Island was great and Chopper's backstory made me tear up, and the end of the arc even more
>>155162453
10/10
>>155167686
Read the manga.
>>155162345
At least Naruto has actual character development.
Oda seems mentally incapable of giving his characters any kind of life beyond their arbitrary tragic flashbacks.
>>155167686
As someone who watched 500+ episodes, the anime in my opinion remains a good watch until after Enies Lobby where pacing eventually slows to an unbearable crawl. If you want to make faster progress I recommend reading the manga instead.
Oh and watching that many episodes took me maybe a year and a half, at the start watching 8-10+ episodes a day was easy but like I said once you get later into the series where Toei gives less of a shit it gets less fun to watch.
>>155167686
It only took me 2 weeks to get through the pre-TS One Piece manga and that was while I had other stuff to do along with it.
Seriously, just read the manga instead and save yourself some time.
>>155169564
>600 chapters in 2 weeks
>in 14 days
>600/14 = a little over 43 chapters per day
>each chapter has an average of 18 pages
>774 pages per day
>in 24 h = 32.25 pages per hour or 1 page every 1.8 minutes
taking time to sleep, eat and whatever else you were doing you wouldn't spend more than 12h a day reading. that means less than a minute per page
even on a reread where you could potentially read much faster (but kind of defeats the purpose since you should read/watch carefully to get every nuance, foreshadow and joke, et cetera) you would be a massive spee d. reader
do you even remember anything?
>>155169241
>At least Naruto has actual character development.
It's shit
>>155162345
´coz Worldbuilding >>>>>Chuunie>>>>>>Powerlevel Fantasies
>nuru2fags even trying to say Naruto is better than OP.
It completely shit itself the entire run after Sasuke vs Deidara.
>>155162345
>Why is this so much better than Naruto and Bleach?
It is?
>>155162345
>better than Naruto and Bleach
That's hardly an accomplishment.
>>155162678
Ace dying seemed huge to me. Didn't expect it after all he went through to rescue him
>>155171403
then why is it so much better thanyour favorite manga/anime
>>155169420
>>155169420
Literally did not feel like it was dragging until Dressrosa.
On other thought, Alabasta and Summit War are still the best arcs in the entire series. I dont even think I should say this but I actually enjoyed Thriller Bark too
Trivia: One Piece stopped being good after Alabasta just like Bleach with the SS arc and Naruto with the Chunin Exams.
Those are the points where the quality dips, folks.
>>155162345
because One Peice is so middle of the road
people often cite One Piece as the best peice of fantasy and shit but its blatantly safe
>>155167814
I feel like I'm the only person who just wasn't that into Skypiea. I'm only on episode 224 now so maybe it'll grow on me with hindsight, but I dunno, I just really didn't engage with the story all that much, apart from the whole background with Noland. I did really enjoy Alabasta, though.
>>155171762
>>155171762
I 100% agree with you. Skypiea was arguably the worst Arc in OP
>>155171654
wrong, impel down was the peak of one piece
Hunter x Hunter is better than all 3.
>>155171906
>unfinished manga with shitty main protagonist
>ongoing best selling manga with a more likable main character
Fuck Gon
>>155171906
Fucking BoBoBo is better than that shit.
>>155162345
It's the same, but with pirates instead of ninjas or shinigami.
>>155162678
You can't say that there are no WOHA moments when when still don't know much about the biggest secrets in One Piece.
However there have been a few WHOA moments in One Piece. Luffy gear 4th power level, Ace death.
>>155171906
>Haitus
yes
>1997 Onepiece
861 chapters
>1998 HxH
361 chapters
500 fucking chapter
>>155167686
>watch
read the manga pleb
>>155171762
Don't worry its not just you. Oda was told many times to cut it short because it was losing readers with how long it was getting.
>>155172799
so can anyone really explain why the creator does so many hiatus ? Is it because it makes a lot of money in volume sales when it comes back
>>155162453
what character development. sakura is still getting cucked after 15 years.
>>155176615
Hxh author is a lazy bum that likes no-lifing with dragon quest Games. Srsly.
>>155171587
I agree with the Dressrosa thing. I found myself sitting there fuming when Luffy and Doflamingo were on the roof of the castle, fighting. The birdcage took a literal 50 fucking episodes. I was getting so frustrated waiting for it to be over.
>>155162345
Oda is good at long term planning, and it's funny enough to make up for the childish storytelling. Naruto and Bleach both got worse over time because the mangaka's didn't plan them out well enough, and they both take themselves too seriously so they seem ridiculous.
>>155182458
this is a problem with the anime though, they didn't have enough filler so they caught up with the manga which had fine pacing. Toei a shit
>>155182829
The bf and I stopped when zou arc began. We went to watch other anime. I read ahead in the manga by a good chunk (up until Pudding revealed that 3rd eye on her head). didn't take me long. Bf got upset because I am now ahead of him. Stopped reading. But I know for a damn fact that the point I'm at isn't going to be animated for probably a year.
>>155180916
Right. He doesn't have a wife, kids, and impeding health problems to worry about. Or maybe he doesn't want his day to begin and end behind a desk. No, no it's all a shitty meme.
>>155162345
they're all the same level of /s/h/i/t/
>>155183005
did you really just pull the lifer card in a discussion about manga?
I would be happy to say that the guy has health problems, because he does, but mangaka in general have to be virtually married to their work. You can't be one without dedicating just about all of your free time to it, and saying shit like he has a wife and kids isn't any different from saying he's lazy.
>>155183051
>mangaka in general have to be virtually married to their work.
Says who? That's only if they have no other choice. Togashi has another choice, and he's choosing his health and family over manga. Not voluntarily slaving away when your body isn't up to it and you have other priorities isn't lazy. If I could ask for anything from him it'd be more open communication and transparency about how he's doing and when he plans to publish chapters, but he doesn't owe his audience anything just because they like his work.
>>155172118
That's not an insult. Bobobo is fantastic.
>>155183152
>other priorities isn't lazy
the point I was trying to make is that you aren't doing the artist a favor by pushing this.
>this is objectively shit
>WELL AT LEAST HE HAS A LIFE
>BASEMENTDWELLERS BTFO
It's cool you got the guys dick in your mouth, but you can't argue that the guy is still a mangaka if he doesn't actually draw manga.
>>155170563
dude, i spend way less than a minute on a single manga page. i read most manga chapters in 2-4 minutes.
>>155183152
But togashi is a lazy bum. He officialy Said that he dont draw because dragon quest 8 was out. And even if you dont want to be a slave to work. If he would work at least 4 h a day he whould give us a one chapter per month... Its not much. Yet he goes Full hiatus for MONTHS . A fucking lazy bum. If he dont want to draw this manga he should end It long ago or give the rights to some other ambitious author that would continue it
>>155183245
I wasn't that guy, but I don't blame anyone for defending him like that. The vitriol directed at Togashi for his hiatuses is absurd. We barely know anything about him except that he's not healthy and we don't know the details of that either. Yet the first conclusion everyone jumps to is that he's actually perfectly healthy and must just be a lazy lying asshole. It's obnoxious how people think serious health issues are somehow out of the realm of possibility just because Oda worked from hospital or whatever.
>>155183051
He goes on record of saying he's not gonna sacrifice his health for his work and would like to do other things in his free time. In that respect, he's acting unprofessional like but hey. Bottom line is he doesn't need the money, the fact the it's still running means he still genuinely cares about the series but he's not gonna rush to the end. And things like familial obligations are something to consider.
>>155183295
He also said officially many times that he's not healthy enough to work consistently, and so have the publishers and his family. Stop basing your opinions on baseless fucking memes.
>>155183295
>If he dont want to draw this manga he should end It long ago or give the rights to some other ambitious author that would continue it.
And they would run it into the ground. Stop talking stupid.
>>155162678
> huge WOAH
> In Naruto and Bleach
Like what? Lee vs Gaara? Jiraya's death? Aizen's reveal? There are plenty of OP scenes on this level.
>>155183425
But Tell me. How much skickness It requires to not be able for a fucking year to even draw a shitty sketch for a chapter and give It to a assistants to fill it. Togashi is just trollyn with the "health issues" so the good japs wont bother him because. "shouganai he is sick again. Take care sensei and rest as much as you want." He doesnt give a shit about his manga and his fans. Otherwise he would find a solution to continue without drawing prraonally. (yet what sickness does he have that he's unable to sit and draw...)
>>155183455
He could do same shit as Toriyama with super. Toyotaro is doing the work and toriyama only gives him ideas and supervise him.
>>155183567
Still no. That wouldn't happen because a) he himself said the series is a part of him.
And b) HxH's tone and overall feel comes from years of experience, influence, and personal quirks. Character expressions, the way action scenes are drawn, and so on work best with Togashi's unique brand of creativity.
And try as he might, Toyotaro still pales compared to Toriyama's early work.
>>155183776
I feel kind of bad that he has fans that are as dedicated as some of you and yet still goes on year long hiatus.
It's like watching someone kick a puppy repeatedly.
>>155162345
Shit pacing, shit characters, shit art, shit fights
Best I can give it is a shit/10
>>155183854
I know right? And they go like "leave him alone he said he has health problems"
i get that the one piece world is a lot of humorous stuff but idk how you can call it too childish to be taken seriously or that it has no character development
the main protag traversed half the world and broke into the two most dangerous government facilities to save his brother just to watch him get impaled by a giant magma fist before he could develop as a character
some aspects are goofy but i think op does have that huge woah factor when its time for serious moments
>>155163479
no your dumb
>>155184540
the reason for this is that the people that complain about these things haven't actually read the manga.
The thread idea is intentionally inflammatory and encourages people that haven't read One Piece to defend whatever they like from it.
>>155162453
t. Narutard
>>155183892
So in other words you have never read a single panel of this manga
>>155162345
It is not only better than Bleach and Naruto, it is the best battle manga out there by a huge margin
inb4 buttmad huntards
>>155162678
I cried more because of One Piece than I did because of Naruto. Naruto might be more complicated tham OP in it's structure, but it never was better
It isn't. Naruto and Bleach don't have exaggerated drama in the same arc over and over again or characters that always have some kind of tragedy in their past.
inb4 the talking boat
>>155184892
>exaggerated drama
both of these in a nutshell
Power creep is a normal part of battle manga.
Naruto and Bleach underwent "edge creep" in which every villain and situation had to be edgier than the last.
>>155172032
>unfinished
Both are and take years to go anywhere. At least HxH is good.
>>155162345
The 3 are trash but naruto and bleach has more logic than op and this already make them better.
>>155184944
the assumption is that hxh will remain unfinished, because in all likelihood it will. Forever is longer than a long time
I dropped One Piece at the beginning of the gladiator arc. I just didn't want another fucking Alabasta arc.
My friend who's super into it keeps pestering me to pick it back up but i just don't want to.
All Post-timeskip arcs were awful for me and from what i've heard, Dressrosa was Alabasta 2.0 and Big Mom is basically Thriller Bark 2.0 (down to her fucking fruit powers)
I think what killed it the most was the fishman island arc
Hodie Jones is a trash villain and was basically Arlong on super steroids.
>>155185047
>basically Thriller Bark 2.0
this is so wrong it's hilarious.
If you wanna complain feel free to complain but don't do it on hearsay anon.
>>155162345
It's not.
>>155185085
Nah, he's right, it was a dumb arc with no real stakes. The only good post timeskip arcs were Punk Hazzard and the current one.
>>155185107
>Punk Hazzard and the current one
the current one is WCI which isn't Thriller Bark 2.0
Punk hazard was trash and only contributed exposition to Dressrosa instead of actually being an arc.
If this is bait I guess you succeeded but you still said some pretty retarded shit here.
>>155184540
Ace's death had barely any effect on Luffy as a whole though.
He cried about it for like one chapter and then went back to being an irritating Son Goku clone.
>>155162345
Toonami doesn't think so.
>>155185204
It was the prompt for the timeskip, up until this point Luffy took the position that he was out for adventure and if he died he died. Ace's death made the usually selfish and reckless character stop and think about what the path ahead would look like and take time to train so that he wouldn't lose any of the crew members he was close with.
It was the turning point of the story where Luffy wasn't just in it for himself anymore.
>>155162345
But it isn't, it's the same garbage.
>>155185160
>Punk hazard was trash
Punk Hazard was great. We had Law, Smoker and Vergo conflict, OP Strawhats were scaled down by Law, Cesar and Monet wasn't underestimating Strawhats like Hodi and Doflamingo did. All in all it was great arc. At the same time Fishman Island was a delayed curb-stomping battle and Doflamingo arc was too complicated, slow and simmilar to Alabasta to be interesting.
>>155185204
You're forgetting the timeskip part
>>155185267
Caesar wasn't an arc villain, Vergo just jobbed and Monet got rekt by Tashigi. There was no villain for this "arc" so I have a hard time seeing it as one when the only thing it did is provide buildup and exposition to Dressrosa.
>>155185303
>Caesar wasn't an arc villain
He definitely was.
>Vergo just jobbed and Monet got rekt by Tashigi
I don't care for battles that much. Though Monet and Vergo were more interesting than any battle in the Fishman Island or Doflamingo arcs.
>There was no villain for this "arc" so I have a hard time seeing it as one when the only thing it did is provide buildup and exposition to Dressrosa.
I don't see how one thing follows from the other.
>>155185350
>He definitely was
care to share what makes you think Caesar has the right to stand with the likes of Doflamingo, The Navy admirals, Magellan, Moria, Lucci, and Crocodile?
Caesar's value was almost entirely in his identity and in the value he has to the major players of the underworld, not his own power. They could have replaced him with the SMILE recipe and things would have ended up the same.
>>155185423
It's not about power, it's about his role in the arc. He is the main antagonist there. Actually, the fact that he is so weak is the exact reason why I enjoyed Punk Hazzard so much. Watching a weak villain trying to survive Strawhats felt fresh and fun.
>>155185481
>It's not about power
this is what defines an arc villain as separate from some meme underling. If you are the same guy that was angry at Fishman being bad then what constitutes the difference between Hodie and Caesar? Also for my own curiosity do you read the manga or watch the anime?
>>155185350
>Monet and Vergo were more interesting than any battle in the Fishman Island or Doflamingo arcs
fuck I didn't even see this. Is this next level bait? Monet fight/Vergo fight better than Doffy?
Can this possibly not be a meme?
>>155185521
>this is what defines an arc villain as separate from some meme underling
No it doesn't. Their relationship with the main heroes does.
>If you are the same guy that was angry at Fishman being bad then what constitutes the difference between Hodie and Caesar?
Hodi was never a real threat, but delusionally thought that he was. Cesar and Monet new that they are no real match to Strawhats, but still tried their best.
>Also for my own curiosity do you read the manga or watch the anime?
I read manga since the beggining of Thriller Bark
>>155185569
>Monet fight/Vergo fight better than Doffy?
Yup. In every battle Monet had she was at a disatvantage. She couldn't possibly stop Luffy, nor was she able to do anything meaningful to Zoro, but she still has done everything she could. That's a good concept for a battle. Vergo was about Law overcoming his fear. That's also a good idea for a battle. Doffy was simply Luffy punching hard a guy he didn't like the same way he did with all the previous villains.
>>155185719
>That's a good concept for a battle
that's the same concept that generic meme marine # 23571 has.
If you don't mind I really would like to know how exactly it was necessary that Caesar be a villain when you literally could have replaced him at this point in the story with a recipe.
In the end we are talking past each other because you take for granted that Punk Hazard is a story arc without a satisfying villain while I would say that the lack of a satisfying villain means that it can only be exposition for later actually satisfying villains.
>>155185917
>that's the same concept that generic meme marine # 23571 has.
Generic marine is not an arc villain tho
>If you don't mind I really would like to know how exactly it was necessary that Caesar be a villain when you literally could have replaced him at this point in the story with a recipe.
It wasn't necessary, but it was refreshing.
>In the end we are talking past each other because you take for granted that Punk Hazard is a story arc without a satisfying villain while I would say that the lack of a satisfying villain means that it can only be exposition for later actually satisfying villains.
I'm absolutely okay with that. OP lacked a satisfying villain defeated since Rob Lucci (Moria was boring; Kizaru won; Hancock has been turned ally; Magelan was an antagonist but not a villain + he wasn't even defeated propperly, just avoided; Akainu/Blackbeard won; Duval was a joke; Hodi was an even bigger joke; Cesar was weak (and he knew it); Doffy was meh)
>>155172548
Gear 2nd and 3rd were more hype than Gear 4th. Gear 4th is cool but the the initial Gear's place in the story make them more hype. Luffy goes from outclassed to a BTFO reversal in one arc.
>>155162449
>and it never feels like it lost what it intended to do
Weren't they supposed to look for One piece?
>>155186849
they are?
>>155186887
Well I don't see it.
>>155167686
If you watch 10 episodes every day you will catch up in 3 months.
>>155187357
It might help if you read the manga or watch the anime.
>>155187357
The bubbles with the text inside aren't just there for decorative purposes you know.
>>155162453
t. Got his talking points from MAL
I've literally read this same shit before on that garbage site years ago when Nardo ended. It was written by some faggot user who got eternally BTFO because not only was he a huge Narutofag but he was a NaruSakufaggot.
To the OP's point. As far as those three go, I enjoy One Piece most because of two things. The characters and world building. The banter between crew members is probably my favorite thing in the series. The Strawhats personalities work pretty well together and keep thins pretty enjoyable for the most part. I find the world of One Piece to be one of most interesting among JUMP series. I also like Oda's goofy character design over Kishi's 'all my characters look like they shop at Hot Topic' design. I'd say Kubo has the most aesthetically pleasing art style.
>>155162678
>Naruto/Bleach's highs are much higher then OP's
Eh, Naruto never really hit any high's for me. I think the closest thing was during the exam arc. One Piece has had several moments like that with Skypiea, CP9, Sabody & Marineford. Although I would say Soul Society arc is right up there with all those. I still find it hard to believe Kubo wrote that arc considering how much better it was than the rest of the series.
>>155162345
it had a very good structure from the beginning, with the new islands and the stupidly large cast of characters introduced in every arc providing A LOT of storytelling opportunities. It's pretty formulaic, with the ridiculously tragic backstory every time, but Oda keeps it refreshing for the fans.
In terms of quality, it does help it's absurdly popular and Oda doesn't have to worry about getting axed.
>>155162449
>the world doesn't exist just for the main cast
That's exactly what it feels like though
Sadly the main characters are even more one dimensional than the supporting cast
>>155188613
have you ever even read the manga?
Characters leave and return, the cover stories show characters from all around the world and how they've grown since we've last saw them.
If you wanna complain about One Piece complain about One Piece not some fanfic you have about what it's like.
>>155188663
How much manga have you read? That's pretty par for the course, don't see why you would get so defensive then say such a platitude
What i'm trying to say is that everything significant that happens is always related to the strawhats and it makes me roll my eyes, but then again i dropped this shit about 300 chapters ago so maybe that's an issue that was fixed
>>155162345
I used to be one of those pseudo-intellectual hipsters who praise nothing but stuff like LoGH, Lain, Evangelion, etc. One Piece always looked like garbage to me so I avoided it. There's nothing wrong with liking the artsy fartsy anime but it's only so long when you can pretend to enjoy many of the boring shows like that to try and fit in with the elitists.
Yeah 2001 A Space Odyssey, Citizen Kane, Barry Lyndon are masterfully made but what's the point if they can't connect to the typical viewer. /a/ is like film school but with pedophiles that argue over cartoon girls. It's not like watching Evangelion actually made me learn anything. So none of the artsiness of it really mattered, I just wanted to be one of the snobs who have the better taste and look down on anyone who enjoys anime for fun. A simpler, goofier anime like NHK actually changed my life. Yes, the moral of it wasn't anything new but it had a lot more impact than anything in any other anime I've seen. Nothing wrong with FRIENDSHIP, its just that there are other morals that the usual weeb can relate to better.
One Piece is the most mainstream manga in the most mainstream manga magazine animated by the most mainstream anime studio. And is loved by normalfags. So /a/'s contrarian ass is naturally gonna have a hard time liking it.
I was the same way, until I saw a panel with Whitebeard. And made me look at more panels. It turns out One Piece can be the dumbest looking shitbomb while also being the epitome of cool. After catching up, I can't name any other series that had better drama, better foreshadowing, better characters, better mysteries, better story, more expressive artstyle, most fun (without the need to be artsy or edgy). One Piece also surprised me, it covers pretty much everything (racism, political shit, betrayal, loneliness, failure, etc.) in some of the best ways I've seen.
People shove HxH and FMA up your ass and tell you those are the best. They're great, but not as great.
>>155188816
>What i'm trying to say is that everything significant that happens is always related to the strawhats and it makes me roll my eyes
This must be bait. The worldbuilding is something that One Piece is almost universally praised for, and the fact that only a handful of main characters have yet to make a second appearance is nowhere near par for the course when you consider that most battle manga kill off their villains and they are never heard from again. If you are serious give it a second look and try to be less of an edgy faggot, if you aren't I guess you got me.
>>155162345
>Fantasy whitout logic
>Better than anything
>>155189189
>without logic
Just like every anime in existence
>>155189187
>ad populum
>shit that doesn't relate to my point about the world revolving around the straw hats
>resort to insults
Do you always get this mad and incoherent when someone criticizes your favorite children's cartoons? You must either be underage or a spastic
>>155186849
Just a few chaps ago they got 1/4 of the map to Rafael
>>155189450
definitely bait then, god I feel sorry for people like you that lead such sad existences this is your only form of human contact.
based rocco likes it
>>155189496
After how many chapters/years.
Plot's going forward at a snail's pace.
>>155189551
hahahaha holy fucking shit.
>SaNa poster on twitch.
>>155189923
>it takes too long my small brain can't keep up
Nobody cares. Stick to your twelve episodes anime.
>>155190226
nigga you don't get to act elitist over liking shonenshit
>>155190273
That's not for you to decide. I get to act elitist over any retard who's clueless enough to think a work's length is indicative of a like of quality.
>>155190226
You don't even realize that they're milking the series.
So sad.
>>155190341
>of a *lack of quality
>>155190346
I'm sorry I have to teach you this but actuallly milking what you set up is the first thing you learn when you write stories. It's, again, indicative of quality. And Oda does that very well.
What you call milking is deliberatly streching a story for the sake of making more money. But your argument doesn't hold because Oda's chapters are easily the densest I know where shonen is concerned. A better example would be what Pierrot is doing with the One Piece anime right now.
>>155162678
Formulaic but consistent
Naruto and bleach were garbo, but still better than re:zero.
>>155162345
the beginning of naruto is better than most of shonen shit out there (end of Chunin Exams)
>>155190853
and the rest of it is by far worse.
>>155190731
The chapters are filled with nothingness. You could miss one and not feel lost at all.
>>155190924
>The chapters are filled with nothingness
just like my soul
>>155190924
>you could miss one and not feel lost at all
You don't even realize mangakas do this on purpose do you? They build their chapters so they can both be a continuation of the previous one and stand alone as much as possible so people who just picked up the JUMP on a subway seat for the first time in 10 years won't be lost.
Now if you're just not interested in what's happening, that's another thing entirely. But you can't say nothing happens, that's just a meme.
>>155189035
Spot on, anon
I think the lack of seriousness is quite fun and refreshing but I think Naruto/Bleach had cooler moments and I felt more invested in their outcome. The outcomes were shit so hey-ho.
I got invested heavily in One Piece and I thought the art style really suited the story/world. I think the juxtaposition of the artstyle and general goofiness make the serious scenes more serious and interesting whereas with Bleach it just got boring. Same with Naruto to some extent but at least Naruto was more interesting than Bleach post soul society invasion.
Post time skip One Piece seems to be more text heavy imo and it takes me out of it a bit more. I think if Oda incorporated more of the Will of D stuff into it and we got more out of it, it would be more interesting rather than going from arc to arc. I like it when there are little mini arcs or something to split up the big arcs.
Overall, the three series have high and lows. One Piece never really captured those "This is so cool" moments for me however it is the most consistently interesting/fun series as oppossed to Naruto/Bleach which had fun highs and a lot of dull lows.
>>155189035
I went through roughly the same feelings but I never felt the need to deny I liked the mainstream stuff I liked. I felt a pressure from /a/ to do so, but I really don't care.
Sometimes intellectually stimulating stuff doesn't get you invested emotionally, sometimes mainstream stuff does but doesn't engage you intellectually. As long as I enjoy it, I don't really care where the work is on the spectrum. I noticed I appreciate stuff that gets me invested emotionally (more often than not thanks to a character I like) more though.
>>155190908
most likely that is where his ideas run out, everything after was a shitfest
>>155162678
>It never gets a huge WHOA factor
I disagree.
But I agree with your general point.
With Bleach you could see especially well that Kubo had no fucking clue where he wanted to go.
>>155171587
Thriller Bark was still ok, the last big Arc without too much painfull dragging, but it was already noticeable.
>>155185085
>basically Thriller Bark 2.0
Big Mom's and Moriah's powers are rather similar in theme and effect.
But the similarities do end here. Plot parallels between Dressrosa and Alabasta do exist, with Doffy being essentially a victorious Crocodile.
>>155185481
>Watching a weak villain trying to survive Strawhats felt fresh and fun
Well, Spandam.
But Caesar could at least fight back.